How come warhammer fantasy ogres are so much better than any other ogres?

How come warhammer fantasy ogres are so much better than any other ogres?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's really not that hard to do LITERALLY ANYTHING better than DnD.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      3e ogres looked cool though. Emphasis on 'looked'.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I just opened my 3e book. They still "look" like that.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I think he meant emphasis on "looked" cool because they weren't actually cool beyond that, not that they no longer look cool

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Eh, I didn't like that design.
        That looks good for a Troll design, or some other monstrous humanoid, but that looks too inhuman for an ogre.
        Ogres should be basically dire humans, big and strong but also dumb.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Ogres should be basically dire humans, big and strong but also dumb.
          man, I like WHFB ogres too, but you've really got GW on the brain, anon. mythical ogres are actually one of the most variable types of fae creature in both size and form. some of them are even shapeshifters. if anything the fairie tale creature that got standardized in the fantasy canon as "dire humanoid" first was trolls, thanks to JRRT.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            My first impressions with ogres came from D&D, not GW though anon.
            Baldur's gate ogres are basically just big off color humans that follow the "Dumb and hungry" characterization.

            Yeah, they're variable in fairy tales, but I think they work best when codified a bit.

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    WHFB ogres are stupid fat fricks who are also mary sues because GW writers are also stupid fat fricks, there's literally nothing interesting about them

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      pretty sure they're well known for getting jobbed by literally every other race to make them look cooler

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Last I checked they were basically fantasy Nids

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Last I checked they were basically fantasy Nids
          Aside from being hungry and their god coming from space they share no traits with the ‘nids

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          'Nids eat to reproduce, ogres eat because they feel an eternal void due to being incomplete. The similarities are extremely minimal. 40k ogres are ogryns.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >40k ogres are ogryns.
            Sort of, but ogryns get shafted in terms of getting their own culture or characterisation beyond being big, strong, stupid, clumsy, and claustrophic.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >ogryns get shafted in terms of getting their own culture or characterisation beyond being big, strong, stupid, clumsy, and claustrophic.
              In other words they're ogres

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >In other words they're ogres
                They're ogres without

                https://i.imgur.com/GBn2SRi.jpg

                How come warhammer fantasy ogres are so much better than any other ogres?

                >How come warhammer fantasy ogres are so much better than any other ogres?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Yes? Ogryn are more in line with what ogres are usually like, whfb ogres are the exception

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Mate. Go figure out whatever you need to do to stop talking in circles.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                What? I thought you just wanted me to clarify what I meant

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not the guy you're responding to, but you really need to work on your communication skills. Right now I can't even tell if you're deflecting or just oblivious.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I made a joke, and then I explained what the joke was. I really don't see why you're being so aggressive about this, especially when you weren't the one I was responding to

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Then you need to work on your jokes, communication skills, and how to take a clue bat.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Last I checked they were basically fantasy Nids

        both of those describe O&G better than ogres

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Do you not consider grimgor a part of orcs and goblins? He is (or was) literally THE mary sue of the end times. In storm of chaos, even when orcs and goblins lost and got outpaced by the empire on the global campaign, he still came in and stole the victory from Franz. Not to mention his other countless shit in the end times, like destroying the chaos dwarves, ogre kingdoms, and cathay the entire time.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            of course. but that's O&G in their own fluff. I'm saying they fit both of those descriptions in other army books. O&G are by far one of the most common jobbers that good armies fight in their books. and they fit the nid mold far better than ogres, since they are more often the unreasoning and endless horde. where ogres often turn up singly in fluff, and cross faction lines as mercs. Like you can't buy orcs or nids off. If there are ogres on your doorstep you can pay them to go away, potentially even trick them or point them at a neighbor who has fatter cows.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        except the dragon ogres 🙁

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        That's Skaven anon, almost every 8th edition army book had pages of Skaven snuff (to say nothing of the Lizardmen one) to make GW's flavor of the month army look cool.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      how can they be mary sues?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds like someone is jealous of the stupid fat fricks.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      How the frick are they Mary Sues? They have basically no relevance on the world at large beyond just being mercenaries, and even their own faction proper doesn't do much beyond sitting between the Chaos Dwarfs and Cathay. And, apart from Gastromancy, they don't have any unusual prowess when it comes to magic and technology either.

      Hell, even their "resistance to Chaos" part plays basically no role in their characterization, since they still gladly work for Chaos-aligned factions if the pay is right, and they can still mutate and fall to Chaos despite it, since "resistance" doesn't mean "immune".

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >itt yung nig learns ‘Mary Sue’ = ‘thing I don’t like’

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Gastromancy
        That doesn't sound like a word an ogre would use. Gut magic sounded better.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You will never be a chonky mercenary with mongol face and simple needs.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >t. someone who's village got OGRED.COM

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They were treated as a race and got enough development to be their own army instead of just being another type of monster

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Basically this, it's one of the few settings which actually developed ogre culture rather than just having them as a wandering monster

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >How come warhammer fantasy ogres are so much better than any other ogres?
    Lack of competition. There isn't really any other fantasy setting that put that much thought in to ogres. Most settings use them like D&D, as singular monsters, and that's the way they show up in myths and legends too. The WHFB version took the time to make them something coherent, with a fully fleshed out background, which I haven't seen anywhere else.

    While it's not super complicated, the endless hunger thing really does a ton. It's their creation myth, their religion, the driving force behind their history, and the motivation that brings them in to conflict with other WHFB armies. It gives them a reason to be both a people and to be monsters in the setting. And everything else about them revolves around that singular motivation.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I might be forgetting something, but I don't remember any relevant Ogres besides them, and pic related. I do think WH Ogres are cool, but not like it's hard to achieve that distinction.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      a based man in a cringe thread can make all the difference

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Is that really a problem though?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        It's really not. As much as some people might complain, the emphasis on food and size has given them a fairly unique culture to go alongside the culture they're based on. That kind of thing where a race has a culture but it's modified by the structure of the things they deal with adds a level of granularity, focus, and clever ideas to their concept space.

        Remember folks; originality is overrated. Authenticity is where it's at. If you can make something feel authentic and well crafted, it doesn't matter if it's a concept that's unoriginal.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Warhammer ogres are just fat mongols
      Mongol without a horse is not Mongol. This is an axiom.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        What about the Kurgan, or the Hobgoblin Khanate?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        They ate the horse.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Some other kind of steppe nomad than. It's probably better without an exact parallel.

        More like NORF + cossacks
        Together with the chaos dwarfs and orcs, pretty sure they are supposed be equivocal to the balkans and Eurasia but I don’t know how that would math/map out.

        >The balkans
        That's the border princes, with ItalyTilea and the (holy Roman) Empire on one side and the green Ottoman Orc hordes on the other.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        They ate the horses. That's why they're fat now.
        WUM WUM WUM WUM WUM WUM WAAAAMM WUM WUM WUM WUM WUM WUM WAAAAAM WUM UM UM UM AAAAAAAA

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      HRRRRRRRRMMMM

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Ogre gut singers when

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Wouldn't they be amazingly good at it too?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >ogre sings, harmonizing with the rumblings and other sounds his Gut makes

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      And?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >lil gay tries to act like his ice cold take is one spicy meatball rejected by the masses so he can feel smug in his perceived persecution
      >gets greeted by confused agreement instead
      Funny you should post a picture of jesus, what with your hebrew tier kvetching and imaginary cross to bear.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >giant fat Mongols

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You can't call them that, it's politically incorrect.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Feels like they are more a mix of norfs and mongols

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, and? It's what made them cool. The story articles in the White Dwarfs were 10/10 excellent. A caravan is escorted by Golfgag to see Greasus and they get attacked by an Ogre tribe.

      Ogres were ultrabased big, powerful minis that didnt give a frick and would fart on both elf finesse and Chaos just as well. And gnoblars were hilarious to use. I still have 10k+ points in Ogre minis to this day.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      aren't there like seven warhammer fantasy races that are just mongols

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        True to real life.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        There are the Gospodars of Kislev which were Mongol-ish in their backstory, coming from the eastern steppes, ruled by"Khan-Queens" and all that.

        The Hobgoblins, under the Hobgoblin Khanate, are also kinda Mongols.

        The Kurgan and Hung of the Chaos Tribes cover much the same archetype as well, being horse-riding marauders from the east.

        And then there are the Ogres.

        So yeah, there are many factions that have a Mongol-esque thing going on.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          because mongols are fricking awesome

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Hung
          no way thats real

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            It is real. The Hung have been a thing since 6th Edition I believe, and they even make an appearance as a minor faction in the Total War games.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          because mongols are fricking awesome

          >So yeah, there are many factions that have a Mongol-esque thing going on.
          That's kind of how it is irl, too. All the central Asian republics are basically just different kinds of mongols (who speak a turkic language, but still. Lots of horses and yurts)

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          yeah there's a bunch

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      More like Cossacks.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Have you seen a cossack?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Yes. See anything familiar?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Hardly

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I can see some huuuUUUURrrrrmmÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖH

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Fine Mongolian gentleman.

            Cossacks are just mongolian slavs

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Have you seen a cossack?

        cossacks are just slavs larping as mongols

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Just a joke anyone. Superficial similarities between “strange eastern yet associated peoples that go start shit with everyone”.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          When you go back far enough the Mongols are actually larping as proto-Slavs

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      More like NORF + cossacks
      Together with the chaos dwarfs and orcs, pretty sure they are supposed be equivocal to the balkans and Eurasia but I don’t know how that would math/map out.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, thats why I love them, mongols are kickass

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      SHUT UP!!

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Fat mongoloids

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They HOT

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Ogres are Space Marines with SOUL.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They are neutral in a fun way. Normally they are ravenous barbarians, but they are willing to work with anyone, and they aren't completely psychotic like Chaos, the Dark Elves and the Skaven.

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    this would be such an awesome mini to paint

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      look up in 3D printing scene probably someone already made smut version of ogres

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Because ogres are less than an afterthought in 99% of everything except WH and maybe Warcraft. They're basically winning by being the only person turning up to compete

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      They feature big in original works.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Warcraft does, but their lore oscillates wildly between being actually interesting and portraying them as the same dumb brute stereotype we've seen a hundred times before.

      Warcraft ogres maybe, but WoW ogres are fricking lame and gay.

      WoD retconning ogres into pseudo-Roman slavers in decline was pretty cool.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Nope, it was the gayest retcon since draenei.

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Source. My dick is hard

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      https://twitter.com/mossacannibalis/status/1465537920194936836
      Sadly there's no part two, I've looked

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Oh yeah, this guy.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Is that some starcraft fanart?
          Got any more from that artist?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            There's a built in sauce finder on the post box. That being said it's mossacanibalis.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yes. Mossa/Mossacannablis. Yes, though I don't think terribly much of the few other SC pieces.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              these look pretty trashy, but in a good way

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                It's setting-appropriate. Well, to the first game, anyway, where the theming of the Terrans was 'surly outlaw cowboys.'

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                truckers and rednecks in space

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Exactly. A surprisingly underutilized aesthetic. Man, Starcraft 2 just totally screwed the pooch.

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They don’t hold a candle to the Mork Borg community content ogre.

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    What's the fancy historical roman name for gutplate? looking up gutplate just brings up more warhammer and terms like stomach armour don't bring it up

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      nevermind I found it
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemithorakion

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >GW discontinued the maneater models recently and nobody cared.

    I'm still mad.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I have the paymaster one leading a warband. It's metal too. Oh the joys

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Is that the one with the chests around his belt? thats the only one i have.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          that's the one, yeah. with the giant spikey ironfist in the air that is holding the ball and chain.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >I was still missing a couple of them
      FRICK

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Frick those were cool. I used to stare at their pictures in white dwarf for hours when they were first released. Stupid I never even bought one of them...

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        now you just have gluttons or two very expensive head and arm upgrade kits.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >arm upgrade kits.
          Never seen these. Cannot find them on GW's site either.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            its an old joke. The irongut and leadbelcher are just the glutton/bull kit with different arms and heads.

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Ogre kingdoms were a new army in 6th ed WHFB, and I think for a lot of anons who remember that edition fondly they are emblematic of what went right. there first army book is every bit as much a marriage of rules, fluff and worldbuilding as VC or Beasts.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      my copy is on the shelf next to me. I remember the white dwarf issue that revealed them and they were so different from anything else at the time. Usually "asian" races were straight up wuxia 1 dimensional garbage or ambiguously japanese. Mongol silk road was so fresh and new and why i still love them and REFUSE to paint them in anything but the old grey skin tones.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah I remember the 2004 Ogre Kingdoms book, I loved them. The lore and the look of them on the field was great. Sure they're heavily mongol inspired but I loved the whole eating and gut-magic aspect to them too. Their aesthetics and flavor really drew me to them.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          My favourite holdover was the fact in AoS the ogres invented the concept of mercenaries which they taught to the giants who regard the concept of "if you dont kill and eat the town, the town will pay you to kill and eat others many times over" as "The Great Secret".

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >take some cool fluff from WHFB
            >make it much stupider
            >AOS-ified! (tm)
            I don't really know what I expect at this point, but somehow I'm always disappointed

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Can you point to where it's mentioned in WHFB?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >this post remains unanswered

                Its told from the giants perspective, its specifically told to be stupid.

                >but this one got a dismissive ad hom
                As expected from zoomer TWW secondaries, aka

                >take some cool fluff from WHFB
                >make it much stupider
                >AOS-ified! (tm)
                I don't really know what I expect at this point, but somehow I'm always disappointed

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >this post remains unanswered
                I don't think anybody really wants to engage with the AOS zoomer, anon, simple as that. if you ever wander in to one of their generals you'll understand.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Ironically, the post they're looking to get answered was not made by them or the AOS anon.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Less a matter of wanting than a lack of ability, given that a TWW secondary has never touched a book in his life.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I think that's a little harsh. I can't really pass judgement on TWW, I haven't touched a GW vidya since about 2000, but I've picked up a couple of the AOS books and can confirm that absolutely could be from one of them. if the AoS anon doesn't play, he's at least consuming the designated product. Not that WHFB was ever intellectual, by any means, but AOS fluff reads like it was done by the same people who write backstory for MTG, ie the kind of stuff that seems real cool until you hit a mental age of about 9.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                for the sake of the TWW/AOS anon I'll break it down. prob pretty obvious to whfb players but whatev. what

                >this post remains unanswered
                [...]
                >but this one got a dismissive ad hom
                As expected from zoomer TWW secondaries, aka [...]

                was asking about and

                >take some cool fluff from WHFB
                >make it much stupider
                >AOS-ified! (tm)
                I don't really know what I expect at this point, but somehow I'm always disappointed

                was disappointed about is to do with ogres having mercenary soldiering ingrained in their culture.

                in the whfb version (6th anyway), one of the defining traits of ogres is how they were cursed by the great maw and endlessly hungry as a result. one consequence of that is their wanderlust. lots of them spend huge portions of their lives raiding and mercing across the known world, and even in their home kingdoms they live as nomads. the hunger inside them is insatiable, and it's in both their bodies and spirits. their driven ever forward by a hunger they don't even comprehend, doomed to never be content. so it's not just random that they're "the mercenary faction", it's intrinsic. it's their motivation and their tragedy.

                in the AOS version, as

                My favourite holdover was the fact in AoS the ogres invented the concept of mercenaries which they taught to the giants who regard the concept of "if you dont kill and eat the town, the town will pay you to kill and eat others many times over" as "The Great Secret".

                detailed, they instead "invented" being mercs (whatever the hell that means) and taught it to giants as a Great Secret. basically taking all that thematic richness and flattening it down to one of those corny ork jokes from 2nd ed 40k.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                It doesn't seem to me like the two are mutually exclusive. If the AoS Ogors were the first to embrace working as a servitor culture because of their physiology driving them to be nomads who seek conflict, it's entirely reasonable that they'd introduce that concept to the giants, who in turn value the Ogors as great friends for teaching them a way of life that fits their mode of living.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >In AoS the Ogres didnt devour the giants and cast their sky castles from the top of the mountains only to live in their ruins
                >they're bffs instead
                Fricking laaaaaaaaaaaaame. The War in the Sky was fricking cool.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                That would be an absurdly 1-sided war with Behemat still being around until recently

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >AoS fluff sucks
                you don't need to keep repeating yourself, anon

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Its told from the giants perspective, its specifically told to be stupid.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                K, troony.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >i still love them and REFUSE to paint them in anything but the old grey skin tones.

        Same anon. They fricked them up and betrayed the whole concept when they painted them in regular flesh tone. They wanted to scam people into thinking these were the older oldhammer Ogres that were basically just oversized humans. There was nothing human about Ogre Kingdoms, it's what made them so awesome.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          which during a time of "everything needs a lazy mid 1990's star wars novel same sounding but different spelling name for copyright squatting"made even less fricking sense.

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >no paunch

    She should've been thrown in the caves as an infant.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      She doesn't look to be missing any parts, so she must be doing something right

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly, she looks kinda on the younger side, probably has a couple years until she stretches that gut out and gets herself a FUPA slapper belly.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Ogres are born with a paunch. If they aren’t than

        [...]
        >no paunch

        She should've been thrown in the caves as an infant.

        She’s must just be the most well put together gorger.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Shes an 11 for gorger standards.

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    You should check yourself befor you Shrek yourself Anon

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I never played Warhammer, what makes ogres in that setting special?
    From what I gather, they seem to be mongol styled giants, which is a pretty cool concept, but what else is there to them?
    For example, could you name three minor interesting tidbits about them that make them stand out, be it culturally or biologically?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Their religion and magic are intertwined and both are under the governance of their cooks
      >They were meant to be the ubermensch of the setting to fight Chaos, but we're unfinished, halflings are essentially prototype ogres
      >Can eat literally anything including rocks and metals
      >They use their bite marks as sort of barcodes to designate their property and slaves
      >Said slaves are pathetic cousins of goblins that are used for anything between menial tasks and remembering their master's titles
      >Most prolific mercenaries in the world, often adopting the trappings of whatever culture they fight alongside with for a prolonged time
      >Literally ate an ancient race, the Sky Titans, out of existence, causing their descendants to become the moron giants we see in current day Warhammer
      Some interesting tidbits

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        religion and magic are [...] under the governance of their cooks
        >>Can eat literally anything including rocks and metals
        >>They use their bite marks as sort of barcodes to designate their property and slaves
        ate an ancient race, the Sky Titans, out of existence, causing their descendants to become the moron giants we see in current day Warhammer
        I like these. WH ogres seem fun.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I thought halflings were supposed to be the brains of the operation, Master Blaster style.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Honestly Warhammer Ogres are very reminiscent of Glorantha Trolls.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      There's lots of fun stuff about Ogre culture:
      >A meteor(?) crashed into their native lands, killing much of the population and leaving a gaping hole that seems to suck in every living thing near it. The surviving Ogres fled into the western mountain ranges, but the event so marked them that they started worshiping the hole, calling it the Great Maw, and a rite of passage in an Ogres life is to make pilgrimage as close to the edge of the Maw as they dare and return
      >Because of the nature of their deity, and their own gluttonous proclivities, eating is basically a religious act for them. Their priests are butchers and cooks, and the spells they work are executed like following a recipe
      >Every ogre child is born with a distended gut, a paunch, and the bigger the paunch the more impressive an Ogre is considered (Ogres will emphasize their paunch by decorating it, usually with a belly shield). Some infants are born without such a gut, these are considered unfit to live and thrown off cliffs or into dangerous caves. Rarely these misshapen Ogres will survive to adulthood, hiding in the dark depths of the mountain where warpstone deposits mutate their physiology further and intensify the Ogre hunger. The resulting creature is larger, stronger, and more vicious than an Ogre but effectively insane with hunger, and often before a large battle Ogres will trap these "Gorgers" and set them loose on the enemy as a shock troop.
      >Ogres love grand feats of prowess, be it in eating, fighting, or drinking. Another rite of passage for an Ogre is accruing these feats, which other Ogres recognize by referring to them with an additional "bigname". So an Ogre names Brugk, who defeated his elder sibling and ate him for control of his clan, and broke off a stonehorn's tusks (basically a mammoth-esque beast) with his bare hands, would likely be called Brugk Kinchewer Horncrusher or something of the like.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Mongol style giants, always hungry, their guts are sacred, scary as frick even to the scary edgelords of the setting (chaos, dark elves etc). They were created as the ultimate weapon against chaos, but sadly they were too stupid to care. They live in tribes but some wander the lands and are mercenaries. Very dangerous to hire them because they eat everything, but they wreck everyone in battle. Insensible to pain, they pierce their skin in gruesome ways.

      Ogres were a truly unique and awesome faction, scarier than Chaos and Dark Elves in many ways, since they were even more gruesome but naturally so, would eat you or your limb if hungry, would stink and fart and burp but would be amazing in combat.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >but sadly they were too stupid to care
        Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Old Ones were still "beta testing" them when the Gates collapsed, i.e. they're incomplete.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          That is correct. They basically got the physical shell working but hadn’t yet completed its programming mentally before running out of time.

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >no voice in our ears but the Maw

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I've never been particularly interested in warhammer but if I had to play it I'd definitely go for an Ogre army

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Because they have distinct culture and habits beyond “10ft tall inbred Oklahoman hillbilly but without any mechanic skills”

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    it looks like a fat Ukrainian

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      No wonder they're making the Russian army look incompetent then.

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I like the skull on the ogre's new outfit, implying he killed the human to get the outfit.

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    > He didn't watch Shrek

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Rude.

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Are there even any settings other than warhammer that treat ogres as a race rather than a monster?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The Dark Eye comes to mind, where ogres are all fractions of the evil god Ogeron who was killed and cut into multiple pieces in past ages. They are not particularly civilized, but they are a race. Not a playable one, mind you, but there is lore to them.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Warcraft does, but their lore oscillates wildly between being actually interesting and portraying them as the same dumb brute stereotype we've seen a hundred times before.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Remind me again why every ogre in the setting had two heads until one day they didn't? That always struck me as odd.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The Wheel of Time has them as peaceful herbivorous survivors from a previous age, who mostly hang out in obscure sacred groves away from other peoples. They have big ears and long droopy eyebrows. At least that's how I remember it, I haven't reread the series since the last book came out (RIP in peace Robert Jordan)

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >herbivorous
        What's the point of Ogres if they aren't eating people?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Worse, they eat all your crops.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Ogier aren't really ogres, it's just implied that that's how they'll be remembered in the future ages that turn into our world's past. Because they're big and inhuman stories about them will be confused with the race of giant beastmen that ARE man-eating monsters, the Trollocs.

        As you can tell, things that sound a little like things we know from folklore but are actually quite different is a running theme with the Wheel of Time.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I'd argue that Ogier ARE really ogres, and they're just different from how history remembers them. WoT likes putting its own spin on real world myth, just as you say, so I think it stands to reason that those ogres are different (just like their elves are somewhere between unseelie fae and Slaaneshi daemons)

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    So, is the Great Maw a tyranid?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      its a tunnel left by a warpstone comet burning through the world from one side to the other and the raw chaos left behind like radiation makes it a mystical focal point for horseshit.

      Nowadays people try to retcon it into being a stray godbeast worm that burrowed into the world like the one in ghur.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Nowadays people try to retcon it into being a stray godbeast worm that burrowed into the world like the one in ghur.
        I've never heard anyone say this, and i play AoS

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I've seen it plenty of times.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Do they provide a source?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              No its fanwank horseshit.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I think Memesgalore stated it as his own theory in one of this tww videos

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Fine Mongolian gentleman.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Isn't that a cossack haircut?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Exactly.

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I was just joking sorry for derailing the thread

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I fell in love when I learned their ranged infantry just lug around fricking cannons. All the other cool stuff followed.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >BOOM! Hur hur hur...
      God this army book was fantastic.

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why did the ogre girl get baleeted?
    Janny!?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You can always go to an archive site and see it, or even repost it
      Not me, I posted it originally

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I saw it, and there’s a link to the artist already. I’m just wondering what sort of sand got in Janny’s axewound. Am I so desensitized to nudity that I didn’t notice a nipple or something?

  32. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >finally make Ogres for TW3
    >Ruin their accent by making them norf instead of mongol
    WHY?! THEY SOUND AND SPEAK LIKE FRICKING GREY ORCS!?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Muh racism, plus it is not like that game would be any good even if ogres weren't norf fc fans.

  33. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    What are common (at least in old mythology) differences between orcs and ogres? Within a single setting there usually is a clear difference, but these are usually not consistent from material to material. I feel like orcs generally have more of a settled appearance, but even then you can have some cases where ogres are the green ones and orcs are pigmen.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Ogres
      >Big
      >Stupid
      >Like to eat people
      Orc
      >Don't exist

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Aeons ago proto humans lived in a cosmopolitan world that included many hominid species.
        Humans proved to be too violent and xenophobic and so a group of higher dimensional beings relocated humans to earth and genetically modified humans to be less brutish and more intelligent. Ogres are a reflection of your ancient genetic memory of ourselves pre-modification.
        As for orcs, goblins, etc we no longer remember what they were really like, but their violent tendencies are likely a form of self-projection

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      There is a decent amount of overlap, both are usually violent, savages that lack in the brains department, but therea re differences.

      Ogres, in most settings, usually live alone or in small groups and are a local problem, while Orcs can assemble in huge tribes and Hordes and can become a regional or even nation-wide threat. Ogres will usually be cannibals (as in, eat other sapient creatures), but Orcs don't need to do that, and Ogres are generally far larger than Humans, while Orcs are just about the same size.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      There's basically no 'orcs' in traditional myth. There are a few references to ogre-like monsters with orc-like names, but not many and they aren't well distinguished from ogres, nor do they have any of the distinctive traits of fantasy orcs except for being poorly defined human-ish monsters.
      Orcs were basically invented by Tolkien. The closest things in traditional mythology are goblins, and it isn't very close (The Princess and the Goblin is pretty much the fantasy work which links 'traditional' goblins to Tolkien's take and it was a big jump to and from there). Tolkien's orcs are kind of a mash-up of ogres, trolls, goblins, British anti-German propaganda, American anti-Japanese propaganda, middle-class Anglo hatred of their urban poor, morlocks, and early 20th C speculation about neanderthals, homosexual erectus, etc.
      Orcs have generally been distinguished from ogres by:
      Being man-sized or smaller, not large-man to huge-giant sized.
      Being only somewhat prone to eating people as opposed to obsessed by it.
      Appearing in large numbers rather than individuals and family groups, with a parallel anti-society rather than being essentially parasitic on human society.
      Being as intelligent and technically competent as humans (although ogres are often as technologically advanced as humans too, even the magic-using fairytale versions are dim-witted).
      Being distinctly non-magical, instead of having magical powers.

  34. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    NO VOICE IN OUR EARS BUT THE MAW

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      WE RELISH THE SOUND OF ITS CALL

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        WE'LL PLUNDER AND FEAST ON ANY MAN, ANY BEAST

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          DOESN'T MATTER; WE'LL SNACK ON THEM ALL

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The interesting thing is that the hunger was always part of their Warhammer character, even before the Mongol rework and the fleshing out of the Maw. I remember an "Ogre marching song" in the bestiary of WFRP 1e, not the full details and I can't dig it out right now, but it spoke of the various meats; dwarfs were hairy, gobbo's were stringy and it ended "don't give us skaven, oh no more skaven, cos skaven tastes of rat."

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I'm torn on the song, because in the original ogre army book, it specifically calls out that ogres have no sense for or appreciation of music at all. Their musicians are called bellowers, because the only thing that matters to them is volume.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        TWW in general is known for playing kind of fast and loose with the fluff, isn't it?
        I don't hate it on principal. sometimes a little retcon can be good if it opens up a little more room around a characterization. although I find it a little odd that it's got that rhythm. you'd expect more like a marching song / chant. from guys who spend half their lives marching from one end of the continent to the other.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        there change that in WFRP4e book about them which made the ogres have a very oral history

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Is the book written from the ogre perspective? If not you can just dismiss it as "racism," which is one of the fun things about Warhammer. So many bits of lore are obviously rooted in prejudice and assumption.

        You could also split the difference and give them throat singing, which does have more subtle traits than 'screaming loudly,' but if you're some dumb merchant you probably don't know that.

  35. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I'd say these guys give them competition

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Warcraft ogres maybe, but WoW ogres are fricking lame and gay.

  36. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I wish I could be a 10ft tall Mongolian that weighs no less the 5 industrial air conditioners and get to eat all day when not smashing people

  37. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I want to say it was in this same write up in the 6th edition army book, but one thing I found particularly interesting about the ogres which helped explain why they were considered slow and dumb, is basically all of their organs were located in the chest/torso, including their brain. So the distance from the eyes and ears to the brain was longer making them seem slower to react than other species. It was also why their heads were slightly smaller than proportionally correct.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >basically all of their organs were located in the chest/torso, including their brain
      I read nothing to indicate the brain part in the pic you provided

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I've read that passage (the other part as well) and remember nothing like that. I could take out my book and check, but it's multiple steps away and I won't.

  38. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I remember my dad taking me into the local GW after the Ogre Kingdoms came out, and mentioning that the new employee at the store looked uncannily like them after we left.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Fricking amazing

  39. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    they're original

  40. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Warhammer fantasy is best fantasy

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It's up there.

  41. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    One of the things I really like about WFB Ogres is that they keep most of their vital organs in their gut, so whereas most races need to wear a whole breastplate an Ogre can get by with just a big metal bowl.

  42. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Is there any official art of a baby Ogre?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      What do you think halflings are

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      No. Give up posting.

  43. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >flat stomach
    COWARD

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      NTA, but this complaint is 100% accurate
      the look of female ogres in whfb is established - the recent BB models hone that in even a little more, but they align with the physique the female maneater had (shown here with the ever-popular no beard headswap). reaper's ogre shaman has long been considered by fans another good example of the type. that art piece that the jannies don't like is too thin and has no gut, which female ogres clearly do. they're grotesque, huge, strongfat humanoids just like the male ones.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        and of course, forgot piccy

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          NTA, but this complaint is 100% accurate
          the look of female ogres in whfb is established - the recent BB models hone that in even a little more, but they align with the physique the female maneater had (shown here with the ever-popular no beard headswap). reaper's ogre shaman has long been considered by fans another good example of the type. that art piece that the jannies don't like is too thin and has no gut, which female ogres clearly do. they're grotesque, huge, strongfat humanoids just like the male ones.

          I'd like to see a fat edit of that pic.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Don't forget this one.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I don't even know what that's from

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              it's from Archives of Empire vol 2 WFRP4e

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              What

              it's from Archives of Empire vol 2 WFRP4e

              said. I forget her name but her deal is she took a cannonball to the skull that happened to have "return to sender" cheekily scrawled on it, so she strapped that cannonball to stick and is smashing and eating her way through the empire to make her way to Nuln, since that's where all the big guns come from.

  44. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    sorry for the messy lines but the only ogre pics i have on hand aren't inked yet
    still waiting on an ogre model refresh for the core line man. wish we'd get new bulls. aren't the current sculpts from 5th edition fantasy?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      C U T E B E L L Y

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      plastic OK was 6th, before that you had to convert everything from the metal mercs. you can spot the original ogre players by how much value they ascribe to having a israeliteelers saw and a Dremel in your toolkit.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        shit shows how much I know, I started fantasy in 8th with WoC but always wanted to pick up OK. they looked fun to paint and I love hyper-elite melee armies.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >cauldron contents sloshing out
      This ogress' hunger is not worthy of waifu status. Food should only be spilled in the act of eating.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Perfection. Nice work Anon.

      plastic OK was 6th, before that you had to convert everything from the metal mercs. you can spot the original ogre players by how much value they ascribe to having a israeliteelers saw and a Dremel in your toolkit.

      Every modeller should have a israeliteeller’s saw and a dremel in their toolkit. Shit’s invaluable for converting.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Very nice work Anon

  45. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Cause they need to stand out and brake sterotype.

  46. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Could a ogre be an vampire?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      nah, their skin is too thick for vampire fangs to pierce and even then, they could just 'digest' the vampirism because their metabolism is so strong.
      I don't actually know how vampires work in warhammer fantasy I just thought this was funny

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      No one in Warhammer Fantasy is confirmed for being able to become a vampire except humans. Vampirism is derived from a lesser variant of Nagash's Elixir of Life, which was explicitly tailored to make a human immortal. It's possible that a vampire could give one of the other races the Dark Kiss, but as far as anyone knows it's never been attempted. I imagine it wouldn't work, you'd need a tailored version of the elixir.

      Note that prehistoric Oldhammer had some (retconned) non-human vamps - this was before vampirism had its finalized explanation. There was also an elf vampire in one of the ET novels, but this was explicitly retconned as being wrong.

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