Cataclysm released, and I realized that despite how much the vanilla map had changed I was still doing the same shit from a decade ago.
The only time I ever resub now is to make my wow-addict friend try other MMOs with me in return.
WoD happened. Even the ever-loyal drone since vanilla in me saw the iceberg this ship was about to sail into well before it launched and knew to get the frick off.
I recently tried getting into the classic versions of WoW but realized I did it over 10 years ago and all that I have to look forward to is dungeon and raid spamming for loot and GDKP and quit at lvl 10
I asked myself what the frick I was doing and that it doesn't even matter in the game. Because after a couple of months, a new update is released that'll have to do all the grinding all over again
By playing it for the first time ever during shadowlands, i dabble from game to game and have been doing so for the past 10 years or so, wow retail never really entertained me, i gave it a shot, got really bored of the questing style and ultimately did a bunch of content and left for classic, i played classic on and off, i have a lot of respect for classic, but i am past my prime gaming so even though i raided karazhan in tbc and naxx in wotlk i eventually get burned out very easily, i still respect classic a lot, it just needs a lot of time and i could never catch up when i'd take my leave because every other group is either GR gayging or running gdkps, i remember sitting on EU's most populated server, gehennas, which is like 99% to 1% horde asking if anyone wanted to run any raids, turns out there's just gdkps or guild runs, guilds are nice but it's a big time investment and it feels sucky to be the guy who's behind and needs carry, so while i respect classic very much and i wish i could experience it, its catchup mechanics suck mainly because there isnt a community around it, people want to run consistently succesfull raids in order to gain gold from gdkps, rather than for the fun of it.
Endgame is a literal wall for anyone not paying real money to participate in it.
Anything with friends is still more fun than m+ with friends
m+ solo is pure masochism
Most of the reasons already stated in this thread, but especially
No point of playing wow unless you can “socialize” with others
>play Shadowlands on launch because I still knew a couple of people that played regularly >hit cap in a few days >didn't really enjoy it >try to do WQ >realize how time gated the gimmick was yet again >decide it wasn't for me anymore and stop
But also, the game just isn't worth your time anymore regardless. It simply isn't doing enough to justify the time investment. There's so many options in gaming in current year, so many better experiences you could be engaging with that wasting time on WoW seems very foolish and that's why its users get compared to drug addicts. You'd have to be an addict to still be playing it.
At its core, WoW is a mediocre action RPG and if you don't spend your time on it interacting with others that's all it is. You're better off spending that time elsewhere.
>how did you finally break free from WoW?
I just stopped playing it lol, it's that easy.
Now they fricking spam my mailbox with 50% troonyflight sale and free game time every single month.
There hasn't been a month since it was released that it's not on a 50% off sale kek. Almost like people are tired of P2W game masquerading as an esport
WoW tried to rebrand itself as an esport in the past couple of years via the MDI and RWF and the consequences have been catastrophic for the game. It's now filled with sweaty room temp iq zoomers who think it is actually a competitive esport and not an MMO
If you hang out in pro-retail discussion areas, it's pretty obvious. There's millennials who can't let go and have mostly migrated to classic, or still play retail but have a job/family and buy their way through all the content with a credit card. And there's zoomers that started after Legion and have colonized retail and treat M+ like a seasonal esport game, because that's what it is now.
7 months ago
Anonymous
As someone who soft quit during Legion and hard quit in Shadowlands, the game being centered around M+ is so fricking gross to me. This one tiny aspect of the game becomes its entire focus and the only thing players and designers care about. There's not even a point to raiding anymore, you get better gear from M+.
I went and played GW2 and XIV instead, but XIV is currently a raidergay only game and you can only play GW2 for so long. So now I'm playing Runescape.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah it's the only thing that matters nowadays. They added a bunch of world events for casual players in DF, but they're all rapid catchup gear mechanisms all with the end goal of getting you into M+ and not intended to be fun, repeatable activities in themselves.
Ion being the game director has had disastrous consequences for the game. He did the impossible and managed to make it unappealing to casuals in a way that no previous director could have dreamed of managing
7 months ago
Anonymous
I liked m+ in Legion because I love dungeons and don't really care about raiding or pvp. The idea that I could get 4 friends and run dungeons and really push ourselves to our limit and earn good loot to boot seemed like a great idea. I mean it works in Diablo 3 which is where they stole it from. Sadly it turned into a toxic e-sports environment where people feel forced to run it with some meta strat because the gear is so good.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah it's the only thing that matters nowadays. They added a bunch of world events for casual players in DF, but they're all rapid catchup gear mechanisms all with the end goal of getting you into M+ and not intended to be fun, repeatable activities in themselves.
Ion being the game director has had disastrous consequences for the game. He did the impossible and managed to make it unappealing to casuals in a way that no previous director could have dreamed of managing
I liked m+ in Legion because I love dungeons and don't really care about raiding or pvp. The idea that I could get 4 friends and run dungeons and really push ourselves to our limit and earn good loot to boot seemed like a great idea. I mean it works in Diablo 3 which is where they stole it from. Sadly it turned into a toxic e-sports environment where people feel forced to run it with some meta strat because the gear is so good.
m+ is the only real improvement that's been made to wow since vanilla >no! I don't want to do group content! I want to do---
what? you want to do what, exactly? >I don't wanna get kicked for being shit!
you and the rest of reddit, the most """toxic""" community in the game
7 months ago
Anonymous
It's funny when the biggest autist shitheads in the game driving normal people away accidentally self-identify like this
7 months ago
Anonymous
For real I cannot stand these boomer homosexuals making their lack of skill someone elses problem, I want to focus on the troony shit
I pug to the mount every exp launch as moronic classes while playing with my moronic friends who can't dodge aoes to save their lives. I see a lot of "toxicity" when I pug with my friends who brick every other key they do, never when I play without them. if you see a lot of "toxicity", the source of it is you >driving normal people away
normal people don't play m+ beyond key levels so low that you could clear them with vanilla characters
7 months ago
Anonymous
For real I cannot stand these boomer homosexuals making their lack of skill someone elses problem, I want to focus on the troony shit
7 months ago
Anonymous
I want the game to have content besides daily quest chores and instanced dungeons.
Back in Legion I simply realized that I didn't like that busy work world quest shit.
Later realized that I really never liked MMO's for the MMO aspect, so I never got the feeling of wanting to go back.
many things I found shitty and not fun >BFA released >unfun systems like azerite or whatever it was called, felt like you were losing if you didn't log >need to do dailies every day (look above) >raiding was totally unfun and I was getting a headache form 2h of it >personal loot in raids >mythic+ spam, it's just too much >the game not being an MMO >didn't even touch on the story, it just makes me sad
that's why I know the game is unfixable FOR ME and I don't believe I'll ever play it again
I used to buy every expac then quit after a month or 2 cause it's trash, kept falling for the "it's good this time we swear!" meme. after BFA was blatantly going to suck all the way in the beta and they refused to change anything I realized the game will never be good again because it's ran by people who are incapable of making a good game. didn't buy shadowlands or troony flight won't buy ever again.
Retail has apparently been shit for so many years, so I never felt the incentive to ever return to it, so I unexpectedly broke the on-off cycle I had for like 15 years.
I tried Classic, had a fun few months but months of raid degeneracy burned me out of that too.
Came back for HC Classic, got a character to 60, after another few weeks getting a character to level 41 I realized that man, just leveling through those same zones over and over again is REALLY fricking boring eventually.
Think I'm done unless they have something really, REALLY drastic this Blizzcon. Classic+, timeline reset, etc.
>singing slave songs while mining >gm pings me about it >call him a pedo and tell him to swan dive off the roof of whatever sheet metal favela he lives in >account removed
You got what you deserved for being an edgy homosexual, but GMs can be very petty I discovered
>GM does dickall to help me with an ingame issue >fill in a post-GM survey, rate it 0 in most things because again he did fricking nothing >the survey specifically says that they will never contact you in regards to your survey response >... >fricking GM starts messaging me regarding my survey response
I don't know if they get reprimanded if they get shit scores or something. Still didn't help me though.
>Black person Black person Black person >HUH? have a nice day homosexual MOD >wtf why was I banned
This would get you banned on literally any service even 20 years ago.
>capitulating to humorless homosexuals who hate you
change just means different, not better. I'm not going to stop saying homosexual just because hordes of normgroids watched Glee and Ugly Betty and now think gay=good.
>changed
They literally haven't, it's just been screamed into your face by belligerents. There is a massive fricking difference you moronic ape. If you didn't see this shit in school, you never actually learned a damn thing. I can do the same and act the same because this is how things work, the only people upset are those who have been conditioned to react that way, like you moron. Claiming *it has changed* because very loud, very annoying leftists claim it has, along with the elite. Really doesn't give you any legs to stand on.
>singing slave songs while mining >gm pings me about it >call him a pedo and tell him to swan dive off the roof of whatever sheet metal favela he lives in >account removed
I remember shitposting in trade chat and getting 3 day chat suspension for it. And about 10 seconds before server disconnect that applied the penalty some little GM weasel pms me saying "tsk tsk, what a naughty boy you were <charname>'. I did not even have a second to respond lol. honestly wtf with these powertripping homosexuals. I bet local janitors are just like that.
>how did you finally break free from WoW?
When the sexual harassment case came out 1-2 years ago iirc. I couldn't in good conscience financially support a company that sexually harasses femme-presenting people, especially marginalized communities such as BIPOC, 2SLGBTQIA+, disabled, and neurodivergent minorities. Never visited Goldshire since.
I quit in BFA beta because azerite armor was the most boring "feature" they'd ever cooked up and they dumpstered artifacts for it while azerite garbage was all passive effects. You went from somewhat active rotations to across the board 5 button rotations that were easier for them to balance. When they're designing things so that they don't have to do work instead of making the game fun you should always check the frick out. Turns out after Legion that M+ was used this way too so that they could create even less dungeons than they had before and they were basically lowering that number by 1 per expansion to begin with.
>play Shadowlands on launch because I still knew a couple of people that played regularly >hit cap in a few days >didn't really enjoy it >try to do WQ >realize how time gated the gimmick was yet again >decide it wasn't for me anymore and stop
The almost year-long content drought between Cata and MoP, followed by MoP's announcement. Also, the raidfinder.
My guild also slowly quit playing. Haven't been able to make a friend over the internet since.
I gave it one more shot with Legion because I like Illidan, after skipping Warlords, then I played Legion for a while and eventually just had to face that the systems were pure garbage and was never going to get better. Haven't played since and not planning to go back. I definitely miss earlier WoW from Vanilla to WotlK and parts of MoP as well.
When I play XIV I'm constantly reminded of just how good WoW used to be, because in comparison XIV is lacking in so many departments. The production values are so low even compared to vanilla WoW, and I'm almost at Shadowbringers now. It just ain't the same, but the systems are not as terrible right now as WoW so I am just comfily playing slowly through the story and trying jobs that look cool.
I first tried wow during panda land when my friends talked me into it and thought it was insanely boring. Friends would talk me into trying each expac when they dropped but I'd always bounce right off since the game was always shit.
Eventually I tried vanilla with nostalrius since I always heard vanilla was actually good and I actually liked it, played it until blizzard killed it then played classic when it came out and played it until just before naxx dropped because I was just so fricking sick of raiding.
I played TBC for a bit but hated what it did to the game and quit a bit after hitting max, didn't bother with Woltk classic.
Turtle wow announced a pvp server coming at the end of the month so I'm going to just play that. I don't think I'd try an official classic+, Its obvious blizzard can't make decent video games anymore.
I had a six month sub running and then they released the human and orc heritage quests. They ruined the illusion, and told me that my time with the game was over. I'm no longer the target audience and Blizzard doesn't want me. So the next month I just let it run out and never resubbed.
>then they released the human and orc heritage quests. They ruined the illusion, and told me that my time with the game was over.
Stopped before that happened. What happened in those quests to make you feel like that?
Keep in mind it's been months so my memory isn't exact but more or less: >human heritage quest is about rich people being evil and must be stopped >except the (white) daughter of the rich guy, she apologizes for being rich and promises to be an ally and is forgiven (sort of) >orc heritage is doing some trials which have little impact >you meet a few important orc lore characters but nothing major just the usual women leaders are the future crap >thrall gets snubbed over aggra for some reason >no grom or orgrim
I probably missed some things but that's the gist of it. They did add a nice nod to old players who completed Marshall Windsor's quest in vanilla but it's just one line of text iirc. No Anduin Lothar or Uther. Oh and Vanessa Vancleef is there too because who knows, I guess she's the oppressed people stand-in.
I got into a good guild and realized the game is easy when you don't have shitters in your group. I became an elitist after that and grouping with pugs or friends of a friend for M+ or easier raids became unbearable and rage inducing so I just quit
I seriously doubt that. Goldshire before it was all actual female prostitutes charging real life money will never exist again and futa is irreversibly tied to gigahomosexuals now. I miss my niche of degenerates.
Quit the first time after they released Garrisons and it became obvious I’d just be doing that shit on 9 characters for 3 years.
Came back for Classic and quit after my server died. My guild did the last 25 man raid on that server pretty hard to do on a server that only had maybe 35 total active accounts. Eventually they offered free transfers off but by that time the entire server population (both factions) probably couldn’t clear Kara.
I actually gave the game the benefit of the doubt and have been trying it for the first time this month, since the only MMO I ever really got into (FF14) is quite literally going to be devoid of content for a whole year until the new expansion
It's pretty fricking cool how much customization and options you have in regards to a class' skills and I wish 14 had the same stuff as opposed to the weird homogenization, even if things are less optimal it's cool to mess around with, and the dungeon designs being super open with a ton of optional paths is really damn fun
But holy frick it's actually sad just how barren the early levelling areas are in terms of other players, is this normal for both factions? I understand they REALLY try to push a level boost/skip on you but I'd rather just play through everything normally as opposed to that shit, was never a fan of level skips.
Is there really no incentive for oldgays to go back to older zones? That's kind of a shame honestly, but I'm having a surprisingly decent time with the game regardless.
Not sure why it's heralded as a terrible game or whatnot, but I suppose I wasn't around for the golden era.
>is this normal for both factions?
yeah, unfortunately thanks to the 10 billion free boosts they give to people it completely killed the early levelling population
there's nothing like level sync in WoW for old content so it's basically all ignored, except for stuff that drops unique transmogs and mounts. those are run solo by max level characters.
the game is all about level as fast as you can until you get to current expansion content island. next expansion will be a exactly the same where a new content island "appears from the fog" or whatever the frick that bloats the world even further while kalimdor and eastern kingdoms still lie there rotting.
>Is there really no incentive for oldgays to go back to older zones?
The game is designed in such a way that all content is disposable and if it's not current content it's legitimately a waste of your time.
>But holy frick it's actually sad just how barren the early levelling areas are in terms of other players, is this normal for both factions? I understand they REALLY try to push a level boost/skip on you but I'd rather just play through everything normally as opposed to that shit, was never a fan of level skips.
Yes. WoW has a seasonal aproach to content were only the most recent expansion/patch is relevant, everything else is dead content. It's the total oposite of FF14 were people still go back to do content from previous expansions. >Is there really no incentive for oldgays to go back to older zones? That's kind of a shame honestly, but I'm having a surprisingly decent time with the game regardless.
No. Even if there was a incentive, the game has no level sync so you can't experience old content in the way it was originally intended. the game wants you to focus on the most recent content and nothing else. >Not sure why it's heralded as a terrible game or whatnot, but I suppose I wasn't around for the golden era.
Terrible writing, repetitive endgame, metahomosexualry, hyper focus on harcore players. etc...
cataclysm back when it came out. relapsed for BfA and played it for a bit. thought zandalaris were cool. quickly realized after the novelty of not playing it for nearly 10 years wore off, the game was trash and felt like a waste of time. haven't played it since. followed the game a bit outside of playing it though and shadowlands seemed like the most insane moronic creation of all time. can't believe how ass that shit was and how hard it raped the lore. does blizzard just not give a shit anymore or is it a "great reset" style philosophy of trying to filter out the old players as hard as possible to make your playerbase only filled with troons and limp wristed homos?
Legiondaries and the AP grind killed my enthusiasm. I didn't even make it to Nighthold. I came back near the end of the xpac and did a few Antorus runs and that was alright but I didn't stick around. I played for a single month in BfA and a single month in Shadowlands and haven't touched it since.
I played from vanilla release til the AQ war effort. After that ive just been reading wow websites and my old guilds website to see how they managed in later expansions.
I never got back to my first account that i raided early with but im still addicted to the yellow numbers flying on the screen, and female nelf asses eventhough i played horde. Thinking about resubbing for the next retail patch and maybe going through some hc classic leveling as well. I wish i had something else going on with my life but wow is just comfy.
I sat at a training dummy for like 3 hours testing rotations and different specs and then realised I was paying money monthly to do this. Immediately cancelled my sub, didn't say anything to my guild
hc is probably the only healthy part of the game remaining because it's levelling focused, there is no endgame to speak of, no token, no obvious botting (yet) and no RMT
>Legion our longtime raid guild sucks now and takes almost until the end of the xpac to clear Mythic Argus making everyone burnt out as frick >Beta for Azeroth is mega shit and unfun and everyone quits during the first raid tier >Reform for Shadowlands and its even worse and we quit and disband during the first raid tier >nobody ever played again
Last time I had fun with the game was WoW Classic in 2019 - 2020 during the time my retail guild was on break. I never should have came back for Shitlands.
Never got into it in the first place. When it first came out I was in like middle school and when I expressed interest my parents said I had a choice between WoW but no other vidya or other vidya. I chose the later and I easily dont regret it. I did play it much later when legion came out but I only bought a months time and spent some time exploring the world seeing the dungeons and raids and I hated it. No one talked to each other and obviously the content was so easy a 3 year old could complete it so it was the least engaging game I had ever play. I then later played classic for a month and had some fun since there was some "challenge" and people would communicate. Ultimatly though it was too tedious and I didnt renew happy that I made it like level 52 though for like 15 bucks I had my fun. MMO addiction is not something I can say I understand.
I hated Wrath of the Lick King. I hated how they turned their raids obsolete within the lifespan of the expansion pack, hated how easy heroics were, and hated PVP where i believe WOTLK was when the term "globaled" started to come into use. Only thing i remember liking was when they gave the Cenarion War hippogryph a running animation that was a fun few minutes.
>Turn them red and lower the detail
I can't tell if they pushed this onto some troony who was too lazy to do shit or a pajeet who has no idea what warcraft is.
lmao it's the nightborne all over again
I refuse to play WoW until they fix them and give suramar as a main city.
Retail: WoD introduced mythic which meant my 10 man group that had downed heroic (now mythic) garrosh before prepatch had to take on 10 window lickers. We also lost 3 people because he had a kid in the middle of SoO, one was the dudes irl brother, and final one was unrelated.
Our raid collapsed because the window lickers were genuinely awful to be around (unironic bong rips over voice comms when we were walled on iron valks). When GM had enough so did I and I left.
Classic: I'm still playing but likely will quit after this tier as cata was fine but not good enough for me to continue for.
I had only been playing most of Dragonflight because I discovered Mythics was not as difficult as it once was back during MoP. It was nice to have amazing gear that was better than what you get from heroics but just as I expected, once I got the gear there was nothing else to do. I don't care for long ass raids and I am not doing them for 3 item levels superior gear.
>main tank and officer in guild >online every day for at least 4 hours >regularly help people out by carrying them through M+ >moving house, no internet for 3 days, warn guild about this weeks in advance >come back, big argument made 3/4th of the guild leave and form two new guilds, only the shittest players stuck around and immediately ask me to carry them through more M+
I'm never playing a MMO again, fricking manbabies.
>warrior join group >charges into first pack of mobs >doesn't aggro them but pulls 2 more >stands by himself in the next room fighting 2 packs while the other pack kills the party >key is bricked 20 seconds into the dung >"why so serious lol?" >do the downranked key with him because everyone makes mistakes >he does the same thing again >"lol xD"
I don't understand how anyone can find this fun.
well, once in a while maybe.
It's not fun, half the low keys I did when trying out the mode in SL were someone doing something unfathomably stupid and the group self-destructing 10 minutes in, after the group took 30 minutes to assemble and fly out to the dungeon. It's hard to believe this is the premiere mode in a AAA billion dollar game.
it isn't that fun, but pretty good way to gear people when the tank knows what he's doing. When you're playing with guildies, they're more likely to listen. If they don't, we wouldn't bring them to raids.
I haven't seriously played since cata, but I tried MoP, Wod, and Legion each for like a month.
I think the biggest reason why I never go back to WoW anymore is the fact that I don't like the way any of my favourite classes play anymore compared to how I liked them around WotLK. Like last I checked Unholy DKs are still just fricking Dr Pimple Popper build/spend bullshit, I don't want to dust off my old DK for that shit.
I started in Shadowlands and ended in Shadowlands.
It was good, I enjoyed my time and leveled every class to max and did some LF Raids, never touched M+ because it was evidently luck based and not skilled based due to randoms. WoW Dungeons are imo the best in the industry and I could play a lot more of them if there was better systems for progress/rewards/difficulty.
But M+ is just tacky. The problem I think is that the time commitment vs rewards is broken. You have to run them a lot to get anything of note, which means its better to switch when someone fricks up rather than keep with a group, which leads to toxic behavior.
Games like Destiny 2 do it better. If you finish a GM (highest difficulty) dungeon, you always get massive rewards, you likely only need to run it 1-3 times in an entire season. People commit, take their time, and are far more chill about it because you dont need to run it 100 times.
tldr WoW should make it so drop rates in end game content (high level raids/mythic) is close to 100% on everything. The reward should be completion, not weeks of grinding. That would attract more people and mellow out the autism over it.
The guy running the game nowadays is a massive autist and doesn't see any problem, the current playerbase also doesn't see a problem because everyone who doesn't like it quit already. There is no hope for change.
Yeah I have no hope of positive change. You can't now remove the only income WoW has which is boosting, you would just get fired. And boosting only works if the game stays as it is.
The company has been sliding even further downhill under this guy, he's an empty suit mercenary exec from Microsoft that will probably disappear with a golden parachute once the acquisition goes through
destiny is just a better game using a similar formula in general, albeit it does have its own problems and lightfall was a big disappointment and also the developers are some of the biggest virtue signaling lefty homosexuals in the industry
they also had the courtesy to just remove deprecated content they have no intention of supporting from the game, which was a controversial move but probably for the best, and something wow will never do because that would require blizzard to give a shit
>they also had the courtesy to just remove deprecated content they have no intention of supporting from the game, which was a controversial move but probably for the best, and something wow will never do because that would require blizzard to give a shit
I can see why people got so mad about it, but as someone who joined in Lightfall it was pretty nice. It keeps the bloat out and its easier to get into/catch up with everyone.
I never really got super into it, I played on a friend's account and he paid me to level up chars for him, I made about $2000 all in all, he eventually offered me the account outright and to join him in selling mythic runs (MoP era) but I just didn't really care for the game, it was always a job, I liked doing battlegrounds, they were fun, but the game on the whole was not something that I was invested in, I never really LIKED raiding, I just did it cause why not, if I got good gear he'd pay me more.
Raided during tBC and quit during the months long delay for Ulduar in WotLK. The most fun I had was fricking with Alliance with my friends, outside of clearing content. Played BfA for like a day before I dropped it completely.
I only ever played on private servers 20 years ago and private servers sucked ass. I was a teen and didn't have the audacity to ask my parents to pay for a WoW subscription. So I never really got that into the game
FFXIV
The story is too fricking good, the world areas are shit, but atleast I know of them thanks to the MSQ. In WoW I literally don't care about any of the areas anymore because the lore is trash.
got baited for the last time with the stupid dragonflight marketing from content creators
before that I skipped shadowlands and only played BFA for the first few weeks
The classic team is 10 people and their dog. Who is going to produce all this content? Classic exists solely to funnel people into retail. The retail team (the people who run the game) actively loathe classic.
If the entire point of Classic+ is to branch the game's development from Vanilla while explicitly trying to avoid the principles that define modern Retail, I'd at least keep an eye on it to see what comes of it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>the devs are just going to put on their 2004 wow dev thinking caps and make new content that fits in the style of vanilla wow
ah yes, how could i be so obtuse?
7 months ago
Anonymous
It would require funnelling significant resources away from retail which is their cash cow. The classic team has historically been a shoestring budget group that only is allowed to run because how cheap it is to make. Classic+ would turn that on its head and make classic very expensive suddenly. I don't see it happening, but maybe retail really is doing that badly that classic+ now makes sense financially. I wish they shared actual numbers from retail so we knew if it was on deaths door or not, because it sure seems like it if you login right now.
You are delusional and pulling that out of your ass. The idea of Classic+ was to develop the pre-existing plans for the game that were about expending Vanilla horizontally like the Emerald Dream or Hyjal. If you've played Vanilla it should make sense since no raid was ever made completely irrelevant before Naxx. They took the goblin vertical route instead by releasing expansions and making past content useless. This game could have been so much better without the tier homosexualry but it is what it is. Can't count on nu-blizz to fix it.
Did you homosexuals all just miss that "If" at the start of the sentence?
I don't even know what the frick Classic+ is supposed to be, that's just the first idea that came to mind to somehow fit the title which would actually make me interested in it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
It would require funnelling significant resources away from retail which is their cash cow. The classic team has historically been a shoestring budget group that only is allowed to run because how cheap it is to make. Classic+ would turn that on its head and make classic very expensive suddenly. I don't see it happening, but maybe retail really is doing that badly that classic+ now makes sense financially. I wish they shared actual numbers from retail so we knew if it was on deaths door or not, because it sure seems like it if you login right now.
Not you, sorry.
I don't expect it either, but that's goes without saying for something as stale as WoW.
7 months ago
Anonymous
whats the point of speculating about a pipe dream?
7 months ago
Anonymous
It would require funnelling significant resources away from retail which is their cash cow. The classic team has historically been a shoestring budget group that only is allowed to run because how cheap it is to make. Classic+ would turn that on its head and make classic very expensive suddenly. I don't see it happening, but maybe retail really is doing that badly that classic+ now makes sense financially. I wish they shared actual numbers from retail so we knew if it was on deaths door or not, because it sure seems like it if you login right now.
7 months ago
Anonymous
You are delusional and pulling that out of your ass. The idea of Classic+ was to develop the pre-existing plans for the game that were about expending Vanilla horizontally like the Emerald Dream or Hyjal. If you've played Vanilla it should make sense since no raid was ever made completely irrelevant before Naxx. They took the goblin vertical route instead by releasing expansions and making past content useless. This game could have been so much better without the tier homosexualry but it is what it is. Can't count on nu-blizz to fix it.
It's not. A handful of people at Blizzard want it to happen but they won't get the greenlight by the board to actually start developing and release a whole new product. Hardcore got a pass because it was just applying simple rulesets to an already existing game. Classic happened to counteract a shortfall due to private servers which are primarily vanilla and wotlk related. I expect wotlk era and cata classic to be next in line but that will be most likely the end after those.
By all accounts, he's going to announce a retail Azeroth revamp. Classic+ will be Cataclysm with a slightly different dungeon finder and an optional permadeath mode, enjoy.
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Chris Metzen is going to announce Classic+. You know it is coming
The precedent simply isn't there. Classic has been, from day one, a low effort cashgrab to reel in nostalgiagays and a gateway drug to retail for newcomers.
Plus, they know they can't start introducing new content to Classic because it would kill retail overnight.
stopped playing during MoP
came back to try the game during BfA, I think patch 8.2.5 was the latest one.
played until SL release, then played 1 week of SL with a free code from an AMD card and said "yeah frick this"
I was trying to quit for good since WoD, but it was Shadowlands finally broke me. I realized that none of the butchery Legion inflicted upon the game's design would ever be undone, it was to be the new norm, the shit class design, the FOMO treadmill, the borrowed power bullshit, Danuser and Golden making a mockery of what already wasn't the most stellar story and lore, all of it was here to stay and I was all the more the fool for taking years to figure it out.
>how did you finally break free from WoW?
I get bored easily and Im not able to play two months in a row, three weeks max at best, per year
doing the same fricking dungeons for two years and the same raid every six months is pure autism
Same. For me my interest dies as soon as I get ahead of the curve, I have zero interest in doing the dungeons over and over again in some imaginary competition. Up until getting your first heroic kill the game can be pretty fun, lots of fights and mechanics to learn and so on. Raiding and dungeons are good even today, just not good enough to play endlessly
Was really already sick of TBC after just getting max lvl and replacing my T2/3 with blue shit. PC crashed didn’t want to reinstall mods. Just said frick it and canceled on the spot. Never went back.
I just had enough of the greed, the toxicity, the time enslaving, and the Mythic+ difficulties. You also have to join a hardcore guild and spend every fricking day grinding for hours and hours just to do the Mythic difficulties, and one slip-up will get you kicked. Plus people are not friendly too.
>Plus people are not friendly too.
By far the worst part. People that play nowadays are just joyless poorly socialized meta zombies. You will never make any decent friends in retail.
I just play to to level alts and find transmogs/mounts/battlepets. Also since I started playing at the end of BfA there is a lot of old story and stuff to see which is fun. I play it for a couple months then unsub for awhile then jump back in when I want something mindless to do. I've never run a m+ dungeon or raid above LFR and I never plan too.
congrats you are blizzards demographic. the only thing that seperates you from others is you dont defend it by saying stupid shit like 'LOL WHY DO PEOPLE HATE THIS EXPANSION? IM HAVING FUN FISHING AND DOING BATTLE PET SHIT FOR 1 HOUR A DAY BECAUSE IM A SINGLE MOM"
They've been retconning things since world of warcraft released, I don't see how wod would have been the straw that broke the camels back in that regard.
It was either Legion or BfA. I just realized that I wasn't having fun playing the game, and hadn't had fun all the previously times I'd payed for a month on the release of an expansion, only to play for maybe a few days.
Time gated content, war mode instead of PVP realms, and the level scaling killed it permanently for me. Also, straight up moronic shit like hunters having a healing spell. I haven’t played since Legion.
>kinda blows my mind that people actually want cata classic
Nobody wants this other than a tiny weird fringe group for whom cata was their favorite expansion
the constant pandering to furries and WoWs worst section of playerbase is what got me to leave eventually
it started around cata with looking for raid and has never stopped since
I did play Legion though
Finno-Fanno got me, but I was already really close to the edge before when I realized that literally every human I knew who played Worlo was an unlikeable scumbag, every streamer was an unlikeable shill, and every story element after Cata was complete dogshit. Met literally three dudes talking about XIV at Blizzcon and that's all it took.
When the Free Trial expired (and yes before anyone says there isnt a free trial, if you bought the battle box thing before Pandaria came out you got a free 30 day sub, not sure what its like now). I spent like 30 days obsessing over the game, even at work I was looking up stuff about the game, its all I ever thought about, so when the trial was over I was finally free because I knew if I paid my life was over. I got to like level 45 or something, forget what I was but it was a darker skinned elf.
I left when Cata came out because I didn't like the portals or ruined world. Came back briefly for MoP but didn't raid or anything, then Warlords of Facebook made me drop the game forever. Then an old friend of mine badgered me into playing Dragonflight with him. If they cave to autorunning neckbeards and remove the fun new flying I will be dropping it again.
Cata nerf happened, that's when I realized that WoW's community never cared for proper dungeon pacing and were more concerned with GO GO GO speedrun asshomosexual mentality.
I stopped playing the game seriously and moved onto roleplay on/off. I eventually stopped in Shadowlands because the setting just got so bad. Dragonflight made it worse.
The community in BC did care about proper dungeon pacing, but so many new players joined during Wrath (wrathbabbies) that were trained that dungeons should be mindless aoe spam, that anyone who cared for the methodical BC way of doing doing dungeons was drowned out by the braindead new players. And they've never been able to put the genie back in the bottle ever since wrath
Precisely, that's when the game was eternal wrathbaby. I was oblivious to the harm that gearscore made on the game because I was in the same raiding guild since vanilla, but I heard that's also when the irrational demands from PUGs started to creep in (like needing a higher gearscore than what the raid drops, or you MUST play the build thats on elitistjerks or no invite)
Gearscore is the predecessor to raider.io score and ilvl which are now burnt into the game because instead of tackling community gatekeeping easy content with absurd requirements as an undesirable behavior, Blizzard gave them the equivalent of power tools built into the game itself to make it even easier. Now the endgame is so gatekept that if you don't get your M+ score up in the first two weeks of a season, you're going to have an extremely hard time convincing any group to allow you to see the endgame dungeon content. It's hard to fathom how it could have been more mismanaged than it has been
I really don't have anything to say about WoW other than I kinda understood that the current writers couldn't do jack shit without leaning heavily on the old lore, lore that they squeezed to death in Legion. I simply can't bring myself to care about bald Satan or whatever the hell is going on in troonyflight, not to mention I was never a fan of M+ or the autistic community that has developed from there.
My hatred of all things LGBT and leftism overpowered my addiction to WoW.
It's that simple. They killed their eternal cash cow with the homosexualry. It started with BfA but you could only feel the rot truly in SL. Dragonflight is just full mask off. 11.0 will be more of the same, Chris Metzen won't change shit.
I agree with this to some degree. The new staff at Blizzard doesn't understand Warcraft's tone at all; or understands that what makes the universe interesting is that there is a diversity of cultures and ideologies. It's the inevitable conflict this causes that gave the universe depth, but now everyone in-game is lockstep with modern California leftism. It really ruins the rest of the game, no matter how mechanically sound it is.
i didn't
ICC releases thursday boiz
hyyyyyyyyyyyype
how is the gold buying for them gdkp going?
Just join a guild.
My guild disbanded so I unsubscribed.
I played from late Legion to Dragonflight, with several month long breaks.
by trying FFXIV
havent played either in over a year now, i am free from the worst game genre ever
It hasn't been a good RPG recently so I haven't had much reason to stay subbed for more than a couple of months throughout the expansion.
It wasn't fun to play anymore.
Destiny was better than wow
What about now
by not having fun
they turned into a hang out spot for trannies and stop catering to the player base that made them into a mutli billion dollar company
Cataclysm released, and I realized that despite how much the vanilla map had changed I was still doing the same shit from a decade ago.
The only time I ever resub now is to make my wow-addict friend try other MMOs with me in return.
WoD happened. Even the ever-loyal drone since vanilla in me saw the iceberg this ship was about to sail into well before it launched and knew to get the frick off.
BfA
I was so bad that I played for one month and have been WoW-free since then.
I recently tried getting into the classic versions of WoW but realized I did it over 10 years ago and all that I have to look forward to is dungeon and raid spamming for loot and GDKP and quit at lvl 10
I asked myself what the frick I was doing and that it doesn't even matter in the game. Because after a couple of months, a new update is released that'll have to do all the grinding all over again
Like 10 years ago.
By playing it for the first time ever during shadowlands, i dabble from game to game and have been doing so for the past 10 years or so, wow retail never really entertained me, i gave it a shot, got really bored of the questing style and ultimately did a bunch of content and left for classic, i played classic on and off, i have a lot of respect for classic, but i am past my prime gaming so even though i raided karazhan in tbc and naxx in wotlk i eventually get burned out very easily, i still respect classic a lot, it just needs a lot of time and i could never catch up when i'd take my leave because every other group is either GR gayging or running gdkps, i remember sitting on EU's most populated server, gehennas, which is like 99% to 1% horde asking if anyone wanted to run any raids, turns out there's just gdkps or guild runs, guilds are nice but it's a big time investment and it feels sucky to be the guy who's behind and needs carry, so while i respect classic very much and i wish i could experience it, its catchup mechanics suck mainly because there isnt a community around it, people want to run consistently succesfull raids in order to gain gold from gdkps, rather than for the fun of it.
Blizzard made it very clear I wasn't welcome anymore.
by never getting into it in the first place
your trophy sire
Endgame is a literal wall for anyone not paying real money to participate in it.
Anything with friends is still more fun than m+ with friends
m+ solo is pure masochism
Yeah m+ solo is massively unfun and they’re never going to fix it because it drives token sales for carries. Games fricked by RMT
You can join a guild
The race between addon makers and raid designers became tiresome.
Most of the reasons already stated in this thread, but especially
But also, the game just isn't worth your time anymore regardless. It simply isn't doing enough to justify the time investment. There's so many options in gaming in current year, so many better experiences you could be engaging with that wasting time on WoW seems very foolish and that's why its users get compared to drug addicts. You'd have to be an addict to still be playing it.
At its core, WoW is a mediocre action RPG and if you don't spend your time on it interacting with others that's all it is. You're better off spending that time elsewhere.
No point of playing wow unless you can “socialize” with others
>how did you finally break free from WoW?
I just stopped playing it lol, it's that easy.
Now they fricking spam my mailbox with 50% troonyflight sale and free game time every single month.
There hasn't been a month since it was released that it's not on a 50% off sale kek. Almost like people are tired of P2W game masquerading as an esport
esport?
WoW tried to rebrand itself as an esport in the past couple of years via the MDI and RWF and the consequences have been catastrophic for the game. It's now filled with sweaty room temp iq zoomers who think it is actually a competitive esport and not an MMO
>wow is now a zoomer game
sounds like bullshit to me m8
If you hang out in pro-retail discussion areas, it's pretty obvious. There's millennials who can't let go and have mostly migrated to classic, or still play retail but have a job/family and buy their way through all the content with a credit card. And there's zoomers that started after Legion and have colonized retail and treat M+ like a seasonal esport game, because that's what it is now.
As someone who soft quit during Legion and hard quit in Shadowlands, the game being centered around M+ is so fricking gross to me. This one tiny aspect of the game becomes its entire focus and the only thing players and designers care about. There's not even a point to raiding anymore, you get better gear from M+.
I went and played GW2 and XIV instead, but XIV is currently a raidergay only game and you can only play GW2 for so long. So now I'm playing Runescape.
Yeah it's the only thing that matters nowadays. They added a bunch of world events for casual players in DF, but they're all rapid catchup gear mechanisms all with the end goal of getting you into M+ and not intended to be fun, repeatable activities in themselves.
Ion being the game director has had disastrous consequences for the game. He did the impossible and managed to make it unappealing to casuals in a way that no previous director could have dreamed of managing
I liked m+ in Legion because I love dungeons and don't really care about raiding or pvp. The idea that I could get 4 friends and run dungeons and really push ourselves to our limit and earn good loot to boot seemed like a great idea. I mean it works in Diablo 3 which is where they stole it from. Sadly it turned into a toxic e-sports environment where people feel forced to run it with some meta strat because the gear is so good.
m+ is the only real improvement that's been made to wow since vanilla
>no! I don't want to do group content! I want to do---
what? you want to do what, exactly?
>I don't wanna get kicked for being shit!
you and the rest of reddit, the most """toxic""" community in the game
It's funny when the biggest autist shitheads in the game driving normal people away accidentally self-identify like this
I pug to the mount every exp launch as moronic classes while playing with my moronic friends who can't dodge aoes to save their lives. I see a lot of "toxicity" when I pug with my friends who brick every other key they do, never when I play without them. if you see a lot of "toxicity", the source of it is you
>driving normal people away
normal people don't play m+ beyond key levels so low that you could clear them with vanilla characters
For real I cannot stand these boomer homosexuals making their lack of skill someone elses problem, I want to focus on the troony shit
I want the game to have content besides daily quest chores and instanced dungeons.
it never has had content outside of that
Back in Legion I simply realized that I didn't like that busy work world quest shit.
Later realized that I really never liked MMO's for the MMO aspect, so I never got the feeling of wanting to go back.
many things I found shitty and not fun
>BFA released
>unfun systems like azerite or whatever it was called, felt like you were losing if you didn't log
>need to do dailies every day (look above)
>raiding was totally unfun and I was getting a headache form 2h of it
>personal loot in raids
>mythic+ spam, it's just too much
>the game not being an MMO
>didn't even touch on the story, it just makes me sad
that's why I know the game is unfixable FOR ME and I don't believe I'll ever play it again
I used to buy every expac then quit after a month or 2 cause it's trash, kept falling for the "it's good this time we swear!" meme. after BFA was blatantly going to suck all the way in the beta and they refused to change anything I realized the game will never be good again because it's ran by people who are incapable of making a good game. didn't buy shadowlands or troony flight won't buy ever again.
Retail has apparently been shit for so many years, so I never felt the incentive to ever return to it, so I unexpectedly broke the on-off cycle I had for like 15 years.
I tried Classic, had a fun few months but months of raid degeneracy burned me out of that too.
Came back for HC Classic, got a character to 60, after another few weeks getting a character to level 41 I realized that man, just leveling through those same zones over and over again is REALLY fricking boring eventually.
Think I'm done unless they have something really, REALLY drastic this Blizzcon. Classic+, timeline reset, etc.
>singing slave songs while mining
>gm pings me about it
>call him a pedo and tell him to swan dive off the roof of whatever sheet metal favela he lives in
>account removed
You got what you deserved for being an edgy homosexual, but GMs can be very petty I discovered
>GM does dickall to help me with an ingame issue
>fill in a post-GM survey, rate it 0 in most things because again he did fricking nothing
>the survey specifically says that they will never contact you in regards to your survey response
>...
>fricking GM starts messaging me regarding my survey response
I don't know if they get reprimanded if they get shit scores or something. Still didn't help me though.
>You got what you deserved for being an edgy homosexual
Incredible how basic internet behavior that was absolutely everywhere for years and years is now "edgy" and deserving of punishment.
>Black person Black person Black person
>HUH? have a nice day homosexual MOD
>wtf why was I banned
This would get you banned on literally any service even 20 years ago.
wrong https://youtu.be/9F-8crKa_7o?si=8BjFSO49hI2RVKKw&t=107
>ARE YOU GOING wiener SUCKING???
Maybe stop being a racist chud butthole???????????????????????
Wow! It's *almost as if* ........butthole behavior gets punished!
Yikes
>wtf social norms change over time?
>this has never happened before to anyone!
Ganker is filled with manchildren with arrested development
>capitulating to humorless homosexuals who hate you
change just means different, not better. I'm not going to stop saying homosexual just because hordes of normgroids watched Glee and Ugly Betty and now think gay=good.
and you're free to do that, just like how private companies are free to eject you from their services for doing so.
And eventually homosexuals and Black folk will have nothing to play either
Capitalist bootlicker
>changed
They literally haven't, it's just been screamed into your face by belligerents. There is a massive fricking difference you moronic ape. If you didn't see this shit in school, you never actually learned a damn thing. I can do the same and act the same because this is how things work, the only people upset are those who have been conditioned to react that way, like you moron. Claiming *it has changed* because very loud, very annoying leftists claim it has, along with the elite. Really doesn't give you any legs to stand on.
Go smoke a wiener
seething
I remember shitposting in trade chat and getting 3 day chat suspension for it. And about 10 seconds before server disconnect that applied the penalty some little GM weasel pms me saying "tsk tsk, what a naughty boy you were <charname>'. I did not even have a second to respond lol. honestly wtf with these powertripping homosexuals. I bet local janitors are just like that.
I take lots of breaks from wow, I will likely be back when I want to play an mmo because troonyshit or not it is the only real mmo
>how did you finally break free from WoW?
When the sexual harassment case came out 1-2 years ago iirc. I couldn't in good conscience financially support a company that sexually harasses femme-presenting people, especially marginalized communities such as BIPOC, 2SLGBTQIA+, disabled, and neurodivergent minorities. Never visited Goldshire since.
>2SLGBTQIA+
Is this how they actually call it now, or you're just memeing?
kys, please
Exquisite bait, finely crafted.
Played on and off from wrath all the way through BFA
The moment I killed heroic Ghuun something snapped in my brain and i closed the game that night and never went back to retail.
Playing classic in 2019 just cemented my decision because it really opened my eyes to just how much the game had changed since I started playing
I quit in BFA beta because azerite armor was the most boring "feature" they'd ever cooked up and they dumpstered artifacts for it while azerite garbage was all passive effects. You went from somewhat active rotations to across the board 5 button rotations that were easier for them to balance. When they're designing things so that they don't have to do work instead of making the game fun you should always check the frick out. Turns out after Legion that M+ was used this way too so that they could create even less dungeons than they had before and they were basically lowering that number by 1 per expansion to begin with.
>play Shadowlands on launch because I still knew a couple of people that played regularly
>hit cap in a few days
>didn't really enjoy it
>try to do WQ
>realize how time gated the gimmick was yet again
>decide it wasn't for me anymore and stop
My guild died with the bfa launch and it was a group of bros, so I didn’t see the point. Legion was a good place to stop.
The almost year-long content drought between Cata and MoP, followed by MoP's announcement. Also, the raidfinder.
My guild also slowly quit playing. Haven't been able to make a friend over the internet since.
I gave it one more shot with Legion because I like Illidan, after skipping Warlords, then I played Legion for a while and eventually just had to face that the systems were pure garbage and was never going to get better. Haven't played since and not planning to go back. I definitely miss earlier WoW from Vanilla to WotlK and parts of MoP as well.
When I play XIV I'm constantly reminded of just how good WoW used to be, because in comparison XIV is lacking in so many departments. The production values are so low even compared to vanilla WoW, and I'm almost at Shadowbringers now. It just ain't the same, but the systems are not as terrible right now as WoW so I am just comfily playing slowly through the story and trying jobs that look cool.
Easy. The game became bad, and never got good again. It became easier because everyone I used to play with dropped the game one-by-one
Hardcore is too much of a grind and I got burnt out
I first tried wow during panda land when my friends talked me into it and thought it was insanely boring. Friends would talk me into trying each expac when they dropped but I'd always bounce right off since the game was always shit.
Eventually I tried vanilla with nostalrius since I always heard vanilla was actually good and I actually liked it, played it until blizzard killed it then played classic when it came out and played it until just before naxx dropped because I was just so fricking sick of raiding.
I played TBC for a bit but hated what it did to the game and quit a bit after hitting max, didn't bother with Woltk classic.
Turtle wow announced a pvp server coming at the end of the month so I'm going to just play that. I don't think I'd try an official classic+, Its obvious blizzard can't make decent video games anymore.
Wrath launch
I had a six month sub running and then they released the human and orc heritage quests. They ruined the illusion, and told me that my time with the game was over. I'm no longer the target audience and Blizzard doesn't want me. So the next month I just let it run out and never resubbed.
>then they released the human and orc heritage quests. They ruined the illusion, and told me that my time with the game was over.
Stopped before that happened. What happened in those quests to make you feel like that?
Keep in mind it's been months so my memory isn't exact but more or less:
>human heritage quest is about rich people being evil and must be stopped
>except the (white) daughter of the rich guy, she apologizes for being rich and promises to be an ally and is forgiven (sort of)
>orc heritage is doing some trials which have little impact
>you meet a few important orc lore characters but nothing major just the usual women leaders are the future crap
>thrall gets snubbed over aggra for some reason
>no grom or orgrim
I probably missed some things but that's the gist of it. They did add a nice nod to old players who completed Marshall Windsor's quest in vanilla but it's just one line of text iirc. No Anduin Lothar or Uther. Oh and Vanessa Vancleef is there too because who knows, I guess she's the oppressed people stand-in.
That does indeed sounds pretty fricking lame for a major expansion feature.
The game pushed me way itself.
i quit when they announced one of the main features of cataclysm was to ruin the vanilla world
Tried FF14 after WoW shit the bed. Then FF14 shit the bed and now I dont even care play any MMO.
I didn't. I'm still playing on a solo server
I got into a good guild and realized the game is easy when you don't have shitters in your group. I became an elitist after that and grouping with pugs or friends of a friend for M+ or easier raids became unbearable and rage inducing so I just quit
erp is better on epsilon
I seriously doubt that. Goldshire before it was all actual female prostitutes charging real life money will never exist again and futa is irreversibly tied to gigahomosexuals now. I miss my niche of degenerates.
It's uh, pretty good man. Lots of degenerate activity.
It just stopped being fun. Simple as.
Quit the first time after they released Garrisons and it became obvious I’d just be doing that shit on 9 characters for 3 years.
Came back for Classic and quit after my server died. My guild did the last 25 man raid on that server pretty hard to do on a server that only had maybe 35 total active accounts. Eventually they offered free transfers off but by that time the entire server population (both factions) probably couldn’t clear Kara.
Cataclysm and its fetish for MUH VEHICLES IN EVERY QUEST.
Ruined any semblance of immersion so I left.
I actually gave the game the benefit of the doubt and have been trying it for the first time this month, since the only MMO I ever really got into (FF14) is quite literally going to be devoid of content for a whole year until the new expansion
It's pretty fricking cool how much customization and options you have in regards to a class' skills and I wish 14 had the same stuff as opposed to the weird homogenization, even if things are less optimal it's cool to mess around with, and the dungeon designs being super open with a ton of optional paths is really damn fun
But holy frick it's actually sad just how barren the early levelling areas are in terms of other players, is this normal for both factions? I understand they REALLY try to push a level boost/skip on you but I'd rather just play through everything normally as opposed to that shit, was never a fan of level skips.
Is there really no incentive for oldgays to go back to older zones? That's kind of a shame honestly, but I'm having a surprisingly decent time with the game regardless.
Not sure why it's heralded as a terrible game or whatnot, but I suppose I wasn't around for the golden era.
>is this normal for both factions?
yeah, unfortunately thanks to the 10 billion free boosts they give to people it completely killed the early levelling population
there's nothing like level sync in WoW for old content so it's basically all ignored, except for stuff that drops unique transmogs and mounts. those are run solo by max level characters.
the game is all about level as fast as you can until you get to current expansion content island. next expansion will be a exactly the same where a new content island "appears from the fog" or whatever the frick that bloats the world even further while kalimdor and eastern kingdoms still lie there rotting.
>Is there really no incentive for oldgays to go back to older zones?
The game is designed in such a way that all content is disposable and if it's not current content it's legitimately a waste of your time.
>But holy frick it's actually sad just how barren the early levelling areas are in terms of other players, is this normal for both factions? I understand they REALLY try to push a level boost/skip on you but I'd rather just play through everything normally as opposed to that shit, was never a fan of level skips.
Yes. WoW has a seasonal aproach to content were only the most recent expansion/patch is relevant, everything else is dead content. It's the total oposite of FF14 were people still go back to do content from previous expansions.
>Is there really no incentive for oldgays to go back to older zones? That's kind of a shame honestly, but I'm having a surprisingly decent time with the game regardless.
No. Even if there was a incentive, the game has no level sync so you can't experience old content in the way it was originally intended. the game wants you to focus on the most recent content and nothing else.
>Not sure why it's heralded as a terrible game or whatnot, but I suppose I wasn't around for the golden era.
Terrible writing, repetitive endgame, metahomosexualry, hyper focus on harcore players. etc...
cataclysm back when it came out. relapsed for BfA and played it for a bit. thought zandalaris were cool. quickly realized after the novelty of not playing it for nearly 10 years wore off, the game was trash and felt like a waste of time. haven't played it since. followed the game a bit outside of playing it though and shadowlands seemed like the most insane moronic creation of all time. can't believe how ass that shit was and how hard it raped the lore. does blizzard just not give a shit anymore or is it a "great reset" style philosophy of trying to filter out the old players as hard as possible to make your playerbase only filled with troons and limp wristed homos?
Legiondaries and the AP grind killed my enthusiasm. I didn't even make it to Nighthold. I came back near the end of the xpac and did a few Antorus runs and that was alright but I didn't stick around. I played for a single month in BfA and a single month in Shadowlands and haven't touched it since.
I played from vanilla release til the AQ war effort. After that ive just been reading wow websites and my old guilds website to see how they managed in later expansions.
I never got back to my first account that i raided early with but im still addicted to the yellow numbers flying on the screen, and female nelf asses eventhough i played horde. Thinking about resubbing for the next retail patch and maybe going through some hc classic leveling as well. I wish i had something else going on with my life but wow is just comfy.
I sat at a training dummy for like 3 hours testing rotations and different specs and then realised I was paying money monthly to do this. Immediately cancelled my sub, didn't say anything to my guild
wasn't there some massive shitshow with the hardcore servers or something
hc is probably the only healthy part of the game remaining because it's levelling focused, there is no endgame to speak of, no token, no obvious botting (yet) and no RMT
shadowlands was a gigaslog
job
mmo gays should go to the mmo board
stop shitting up other boards with your slop
unironically i got older. mmos just arent fun anymore
>mmos just arent fun anymore
what i liked about them was the social aspect, that just isnt there anymore
>Legion our longtime raid guild sucks now and takes almost until the end of the xpac to clear Mythic Argus making everyone burnt out as frick
>Beta for Azeroth is mega shit and unfun and everyone quits during the first raid tier
>Reform for Shadowlands and its even worse and we quit and disband during the first raid tier
>nobody ever played again
Last time I had fun with the game was WoW Classic in 2019 - 2020 during the time my retail guild was on break. I never should have came back for Shitlands.
Never got into it in the first place. When it first came out I was in like middle school and when I expressed interest my parents said I had a choice between WoW but no other vidya or other vidya. I chose the later and I easily dont regret it. I did play it much later when legion came out but I only bought a months time and spent some time exploring the world seeing the dungeons and raids and I hated it. No one talked to each other and obviously the content was so easy a 3 year old could complete it so it was the least engaging game I had ever play. I then later played classic for a month and had some fun since there was some "challenge" and people would communicate. Ultimatly though it was too tedious and I didnt renew happy that I made it like level 52 though for like 15 bucks I had my fun. MMO addiction is not something I can say I understand.
I hated Wrath of the Lick King. I hated how they turned their raids obsolete within the lifespan of the expansion pack, hated how easy heroics were, and hated PVP where i believe WOTLK was when the term "globaled" started to come into use. Only thing i remember liking was when they gave the Cenarion War hippogryph a running animation that was a fun few minutes.
blizzard can't even do the bare minimum anymore
yikes
lmao it's the nightborne all over again
>Turn them red and lower the detail
I can't tell if they pushed this onto some troony who was too lazy to do shit or a pajeet who has no idea what warcraft is.
I refuse to play WoW until they fix them and give suramar as a main city.
Retail: WoD introduced mythic which meant my 10 man group that had downed heroic (now mythic) garrosh before prepatch had to take on 10 window lickers. We also lost 3 people because he had a kid in the middle of SoO, one was the dudes irl brother, and final one was unrelated.
Our raid collapsed because the window lickers were genuinely awful to be around (unironic bong rips over voice comms when we were walled on iron valks). When GM had enough so did I and I left.
Classic: I'm still playing but likely will quit after this tier as cata was fine but not good enough for me to continue for.
>bong rips over voice comms
Vased
I had only been playing most of Dragonflight because I discovered Mythics was not as difficult as it once was back during MoP. It was nice to have amazing gear that was better than what you get from heroics but just as I expected, once I got the gear there was nothing else to do. I don't care for long ass raids and I am not doing them for 3 item levels superior gear.
Legion final zone and BfA release finally broke me
trannies, homos and third world boost selling Black folk ran this shit into the ground. I'll never come back to the steaming pile of shit
I play for about 2-3 weeks every xpac on the last patch just to see the stuff, its fun if even just to see how much they have fricked up each time.
>main tank and officer in guild
>online every day for at least 4 hours
>regularly help people out by carrying them through M+
>moving house, no internet for 3 days, warn guild about this weeks in advance
>come back, big argument made 3/4th of the guild leave and form two new guilds, only the shittest players stuck around and immediately ask me to carry them through more M+
I'm never playing a MMO again, fricking manbabies.
M+ isnt fun anyways. theres always someone taking it way too seriously when its not even higher than +15
>warrior join group
>charges into first pack of mobs
>doesn't aggro them but pulls 2 more
>stands by himself in the next room fighting 2 packs while the other pack kills the party
>key is bricked 20 seconds into the dung
>"why so serious lol?"
>do the downranked key with him because everyone makes mistakes
>he does the same thing again
>"lol xD"
I don't understand how anyone can find this fun.
well, once in a while maybe.
It's not fun, half the low keys I did when trying out the mode in SL were someone doing something unfathomably stupid and the group self-destructing 10 minutes in, after the group took 30 minutes to assemble and fly out to the dungeon. It's hard to believe this is the premiere mode in a AAA billion dollar game.
it isn't that fun, but pretty good way to gear people when the tank knows what he's doing. When you're playing with guildies, they're more likely to listen. If they don't, we wouldn't bring them to raids.
I haven't seriously played since cata, but I tried MoP, Wod, and Legion each for like a month.
I think the biggest reason why I never go back to WoW anymore is the fact that I don't like the way any of my favourite classes play anymore compared to how I liked them around WotLK. Like last I checked Unholy DKs are still just fricking Dr Pimple Popper build/spend bullshit, I don't want to dust off my old DK for that shit.
I started in Shadowlands and ended in Shadowlands.
It was good, I enjoyed my time and leveled every class to max and did some LF Raids, never touched M+ because it was evidently luck based and not skilled based due to randoms. WoW Dungeons are imo the best in the industry and I could play a lot more of them if there was better systems for progress/rewards/difficulty.
But M+ is just tacky. The problem I think is that the time commitment vs rewards is broken. You have to run them a lot to get anything of note, which means its better to switch when someone fricks up rather than keep with a group, which leads to toxic behavior.
Games like Destiny 2 do it better. If you finish a GM (highest difficulty) dungeon, you always get massive rewards, you likely only need to run it 1-3 times in an entire season. People commit, take their time, and are far more chill about it because you dont need to run it 100 times.
tldr WoW should make it so drop rates in end game content (high level raids/mythic) is close to 100% on everything. The reward should be completion, not weeks of grinding. That would attract more people and mellow out the autism over it.
The guy running the game nowadays is a massive autist and doesn't see any problem, the current playerbase also doesn't see a problem because everyone who doesn't like it quit already. There is no hope for change.
Yeah I have no hope of positive change. You can't now remove the only income WoW has which is boosting, you would just get fired. And boosting only works if the game stays as it is.
The president and CEO of the company sells boosted runs live on stream, the situation is so much more fricked that people realize
Developers need to learn that goodwill is a real thing that impacts your game and doing shit like this kills it.
The company has been sliding even further downhill under this guy, he's an empty suit mercenary exec from Microsoft that will probably disappear with a golden parachute once the acquisition goes through
destiny is just a better game using a similar formula in general, albeit it does have its own problems and lightfall was a big disappointment and also the developers are some of the biggest virtue signaling lefty homosexuals in the industry
they also had the courtesy to just remove deprecated content they have no intention of supporting from the game, which was a controversial move but probably for the best, and something wow will never do because that would require blizzard to give a shit
>they also had the courtesy to just remove deprecated content they have no intention of supporting from the game, which was a controversial move but probably for the best, and something wow will never do because that would require blizzard to give a shit
I can see why people got so mad about it, but as someone who joined in Lightfall it was pretty nice. It keeps the bloat out and its easier to get into/catch up with everyone.
I never really got super into it, I played on a friend's account and he paid me to level up chars for him, I made about $2000 all in all, he eventually offered me the account outright and to join him in selling mythic runs (MoP era) but I just didn't really care for the game, it was always a job, I liked doing battlegrounds, they were fun, but the game on the whole was not something that I was invested in, I never really LIKED raiding, I just did it cause why not, if I got good gear he'd pay me more.
When I was 10 my dad said he'd buy it for me but then we both forgot, so I never got to try it.
Glad.
Raided during tBC and quit during the months long delay for Ulduar in WotLK. The most fun I had was fricking with Alliance with my friends, outside of clearing content. Played BfA for like a day before I dropped it completely.
I only ever played on private servers 20 years ago and private servers sucked ass. I was a teen and didn't have the audacity to ask my parents to pay for a WoW subscription. So I never really got that into the game
FFXIV
The story is too fricking good, the world areas are shit, but atleast I know of them thanks to the MSQ. In WoW I literally don't care about any of the areas anymore because the lore is trash.
>The story is too fricking good
got baited for the last time with the stupid dragonflight marketing from content creators
before that I skipped shadowlands and only played BFA for the first few weeks
I got kicked out of a guild for using the word Autistic in discord.
I said Shadowlands was the final straw and if it was shit i'd never touch it again but i still occasionally play classic
>how did you finally break free from WoW?
Classic vanilla ended
Classic Shadowlands when? Can't wait to relive the nostalgia!
Not long to wait until we can enjoy the classic SL storyline again, written by this literary titan
never started
Classic+ is going to reel us all right back in. I am guilty.
We both know it ain't happening.
Chris Metzen is going to announce Classic+. You know it is coming
The classic team is 10 people and their dog. Who is going to produce all this content? Classic exists solely to funnel people into retail. The retail team (the people who run the game) actively loathe classic.
no you dont get it, the people who worked on retail(which i hate) will produce content for it but i totally wont hate it like i hate retail!!
If the entire point of Classic+ is to branch the game's development from Vanilla while explicitly trying to avoid the principles that define modern Retail, I'd at least keep an eye on it to see what comes of it.
>the devs are just going to put on their 2004 wow dev thinking caps and make new content that fits in the style of vanilla wow
ah yes, how could i be so obtuse?
Did you homosexuals all just miss that "If" at the start of the sentence?
I don't even know what the frick Classic+ is supposed to be, that's just the first idea that came to mind to somehow fit the title which would actually make me interested in it.
Not you, sorry.
I don't expect it either, but that's goes without saying for something as stale as WoW.
whats the point of speculating about a pipe dream?
It would require funnelling significant resources away from retail which is their cash cow. The classic team has historically been a shoestring budget group that only is allowed to run because how cheap it is to make. Classic+ would turn that on its head and make classic very expensive suddenly. I don't see it happening, but maybe retail really is doing that badly that classic+ now makes sense financially. I wish they shared actual numbers from retail so we knew if it was on deaths door or not, because it sure seems like it if you login right now.
You are delusional and pulling that out of your ass. The idea of Classic+ was to develop the pre-existing plans for the game that were about expending Vanilla horizontally like the Emerald Dream or Hyjal. If you've played Vanilla it should make sense since no raid was ever made completely irrelevant before Naxx. They took the goblin vertical route instead by releasing expansions and making past content useless. This game could have been so much better without the tier homosexualry but it is what it is. Can't count on nu-blizz to fix it.
It's not. A handful of people at Blizzard want it to happen but they won't get the greenlight by the board to actually start developing and release a whole new product. Hardcore got a pass because it was just applying simple rulesets to an already existing game. Classic happened to counteract a shortfall due to private servers which are primarily vanilla and wotlk related. I expect wotlk era and cata classic to be next in line but that will be most likely the end after those.
By all accounts, he's going to announce a retail Azeroth revamp. Classic+ will be Cataclysm with a slightly different dungeon finder and an optional permadeath mode, enjoy.
>classic+
when will this meme fricking die already
You're going to be really disappointed getting your hopes up like this when Blizzcon happens
The precedent simply isn't there. Classic has been, from day one, a low effort cashgrab to reel in nostalgiagays and a gateway drug to retail for newcomers.
Plus, they know they can't start introducing new content to Classic because it would kill retail overnight.
stopped playing during MoP
came back to try the game during BfA, I think patch 8.2.5 was the latest one.
played until SL release, then played 1 week of SL with a free code from an AMD card and said "yeah frick this"
First month of Shadowlands because I couldn’t ignore the absolute devastation of the setting any longer.
I will miss you PCU.
I was trying to quit for good since WoD, but it was Shadowlands finally broke me. I realized that none of the butchery Legion inflicted upon the game's design would ever be undone, it was to be the new norm, the shit class design, the FOMO treadmill, the borrowed power bullshit, Danuser and Golden making a mockery of what already wasn't the most stellar story and lore, all of it was here to stay and I was all the more the fool for taking years to figure it out.
>how did you finally break free from WoW?
I get bored easily and Im not able to play two months in a row, three weeks max at best, per year
doing the same fricking dungeons for two years and the same raid every six months is pure autism
Same. For me my interest dies as soon as I get ahead of the curve, I have zero interest in doing the dungeons over and over again in some imaginary competition. Up until getting your first heroic kill the game can be pretty fun, lots of fights and mechanics to learn and so on. Raiding and dungeons are good even today, just not good enough to play endlessly
Stopped being young and lost all of my gaming ability.
Easy, I never started playing
Cataclysm, very boring.
Was really already sick of TBC after just getting max lvl and replacing my T2/3 with blue shit. PC crashed didn’t want to reinstall mods. Just said frick it and canceled on the spot. Never went back.
MoP, it was shite
literally just stop logging in.
dont tell anyone
dont even open up battlenet
literally just play anything else
my personal issue with the game was i never had time to play other shit. it was either wow or many other games to play.
moved to a different state
I just had enough of the greed, the toxicity, the time enslaving, and the Mythic+ difficulties. You also have to join a hardcore guild and spend every fricking day grinding for hours and hours just to do the Mythic difficulties, and one slip-up will get you kicked. Plus people are not friendly too.
I'll stick with FFXIV, thanks.
>Plus people are not friendly too.
By far the worst part. People that play nowadays are just joyless poorly socialized meta zombies. You will never make any decent friends in retail.
I shot myself because of shadowlands
I just play to to level alts and find transmogs/mounts/battlepets. Also since I started playing at the end of BfA there is a lot of old story and stuff to see which is fun. I play it for a couple months then unsub for awhile then jump back in when I want something mindless to do. I've never run a m+ dungeon or raid above LFR and I never plan too.
congrats you are blizzards demographic. the only thing that seperates you from others is you dont defend it by saying stupid shit like 'LOL WHY DO PEOPLE HATE THIS EXPANSION? IM HAVING FUN FISHING AND DOING BATTLE PET SHIT FOR 1 HOUR A DAY BECAUSE IM A SINGLE MOM"
Yeah I'm not gonna defend this expac because I've not experienced everything there is to do. I also really don't care enough to waste my breath on it.
Yup. Don't worry though, I won't shit up your lobby or anything and then get mad.
>mountsmogscheevos spotted in the wild
I learned that private servers are better
it started with WoD. the moment they retconned shit I thought "it's only downhills from now on"
They've been retconning things since world of warcraft released, I don't see how wod would have been the straw that broke the camels back in that regard.
Quit in cata, came back for DF and ive been playing since.
Tried every other mmo, they are dogshit
WoW still king
It was either Legion or BfA. I just realized that I wasn't having fun playing the game, and hadn't had fun all the previously times I'd payed for a month on the release of an expansion, only to play for maybe a few days.
Time gated content, war mode instead of PVP realms, and the level scaling killed it permanently for me. Also, straight up moronic shit like hunters having a healing spell. I haven’t played since Legion.
I stopped playing after WotLK and never went back.
Realized it was dogshit after cata and never returned
kinda blows my mind that people actually want cata classic
>kinda blows my mind that people actually want cata classic
Nobody wants this other than a tiny weird fringe group for whom cata was their favorite expansion
the constant pandering to furries and WoWs worst section of playerbase is what got me to leave eventually
it started around cata with looking for raid and has never stopped since
I did play Legion though
They've pivoted from furries, they now target scalies
Finno-Fanno got me, but I was already really close to the edge before when I realized that literally every human I knew who played Worlo was an unlikeable scumbag, every streamer was an unlikeable shill, and every story element after Cata was complete dogshit. Met literally three dudes talking about XIV at Blizzcon and that's all it took.
When the Free Trial expired (and yes before anyone says there isnt a free trial, if you bought the battle box thing before Pandaria came out you got a free 30 day sub, not sure what its like now). I spent like 30 days obsessing over the game, even at work I was looking up stuff about the game, its all I ever thought about, so when the trial was over I was finally free because I knew if I paid my life was over. I got to like level 45 or something, forget what I was but it was a darker skinned elf.
good choice
Who's this extremely zesty looking gay? Doesn't look like Warcraft to me, so no thnaks
I left when Cata came out because I didn't like the portals or ruined world. Came back briefly for MoP but didn't raid or anything, then Warlords of Facebook made me drop the game forever. Then an old friend of mine badgered me into playing Dragonflight with him. If they cave to autorunning neckbeards and remove the fun new flying I will be dropping it again.
Cata nerf happened, that's when I realized that WoW's community never cared for proper dungeon pacing and were more concerned with GO GO GO speedrun asshomosexual mentality.
I stopped playing the game seriously and moved onto roleplay on/off. I eventually stopped in Shadowlands because the setting just got so bad. Dragonflight made it worse.
The community in BC did care about proper dungeon pacing, but so many new players joined during Wrath (wrathbabbies) that were trained that dungeons should be mindless aoe spam, that anyone who cared for the methodical BC way of doing doing dungeons was drowned out by the braindead new players. And they've never been able to put the genie back in the bottle ever since wrath
Precisely, that's when the game was eternal wrathbaby. I was oblivious to the harm that gearscore made on the game because I was in the same raiding guild since vanilla, but I heard that's also when the irrational demands from PUGs started to creep in (like needing a higher gearscore than what the raid drops, or you MUST play the build thats on elitistjerks or no invite)
Gearscore is the predecessor to raider.io score and ilvl which are now burnt into the game because instead of tackling community gatekeeping easy content with absurd requirements as an undesirable behavior, Blizzard gave them the equivalent of power tools built into the game itself to make it even easier. Now the endgame is so gatekept that if you don't get your M+ score up in the first two weeks of a season, you're going to have an extremely hard time convincing any group to allow you to see the endgame dungeon content. It's hard to fathom how it could have been more mismanaged than it has been
I really don't have anything to say about WoW other than I kinda understood that the current writers couldn't do jack shit without leaning heavily on the old lore, lore that they squeezed to death in Legion. I simply can't bring myself to care about bald Satan or whatever the hell is going on in troonyflight, not to mention I was never a fan of M+ or the autistic community that has developed from there.
They released the first expansion and ever patch afterwards was a step downhill. I never made it to the second expansion.
My hatred of all things LGBT and leftism overpowered my addiction to WoW.
It's that simple. They killed their eternal cash cow with the homosexualry. It started with BfA but you could only feel the rot truly in SL. Dragonflight is just full mask off. 11.0 will be more of the same, Chris Metzen won't change shit.
I agree with this to some degree. The new staff at Blizzard doesn't understand Warcraft's tone at all; or understands that what makes the universe interesting is that there is a diversity of cultures and ideologies. It's the inevitable conflict this causes that gave the universe depth, but now everyone in-game is lockstep with modern California leftism. It really ruins the rest of the game, no matter how mechanically sound it is.
Tauren paladins was it for me.
It never got a hold of me. I was and will always be more into Runescape.