he's also one of the most contentious and memorable characters from that era. SJW writers handling Huey would have made him boring and into some unquestionable good guy because of his disability rather than playing with his complex over it which is one of the things that makes him interesting as a character
He is a fairly well written character. He is a huge piece of shit but he has flaws that explain his actions even if you cannot justify them. You are meant to hate him and when you see him being put in the boat you either feel pity for this little manipulative frick or you want Venom snake to strangle him in front of the troops.
I love mgs5 even if the game shat itself at the end and is unfinished. The time you have to execute your crew because they are infected will stay with me for a long time.
it's ambiguous enough that i've seen it argued he truly was innocent in everything and he's just a fricking moron that Skull Face and Kaz used as a patsy. it's one thing i like about MGSV, most interpretations like that can be supported.
This, and the cool thing is that this kind of tech isn't even too far in the realm of science fiction. We already have people with realistic, working Bionicle legs. If the game is set in fantasy, then just have them use some magic or something to float around.
There are some segments of disabled people who make it their whole personality and reject any effort to "fix" them. They're basically troons, but crippled.
>roll blind monk >get one of those sticks with a ball on the end that gives 600ft true sight, advantage on perception checks, unlimited detective magic and counts as a holy avenger for no reason, for free. It also teleports to your hand when you want it to.
Charles isn't really a warrior though, he's more of a leader/intellectual? i think most of the issues with wheelchair characters in the modern age is people wanting to put so much focus on it but the second it comes to limitations they don't exist and the character is a wheelchair ninja which is moronic. Charles could frick you up with his mental powers but take those away and he's just a crippled man.
>with his mental powers but take those away
Well, old X-Men cartoon had shown in the Savage Land, that removing powers restores Xavier's legs' functionality. To the point he can act like a soldier again.
yeah i remember in the movies too they did something with that where he took some drug that allowed him to walk but it suppressed his powers? so i'm not sure what the comic book lore is on that personally. but i was more speaking of a hypothetical where he lost his powers but still couldn't walk.
The fantasy of the blind monk is like Daredevil, they're somehow more perceptive than someone with 20/20 vision because of all their other senses being heightened.
Someone rolling around in a wheel chair but still getting hard countered by a step is not cool or fun for anyone. Just like playing a blind monk that disabled your monitor so you literally couldnt see shit would also not be fun.
Why the frick would someone who cant walk and has to wheel themselves around all day also want to be constrained to that in a video game? Do you think paraplegics wouldn't want a badass exo skeleton or magical spell to move their legs instead?
Hephaestus being in a wheelchair is a reference to a specific urn depiction of him. Also buff? The real complaint should be that he's not ugly and disfigured. For being such a shit series at least GOW3 got that right and made his face gruesome.
The wheelchair represents their identity (homosexualry) and fetidh. No wheelchair means no homosexualry or fetish for them.
Look at Hades 2 instead of making Hephaestus a buff guy with prosthetics, he's a fatfrick on a wheelchair.
Hepheastus had club feet didnt he? I think thats why
His feet were fricked up so he couldnt walk too well which led to his legs being a bit fricked up
But dude should still be buff and shredded from the waist up given he's the good of metal working
Actually in lore hephastus just had a fricked up face from beatings
He had no trouble walking or doing anything else
He was just ugly
Zeus killed all physically maimed children he had
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I thought there were vase paintings of him with backwards ass feet
But that was 6th centure and before, not after
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
We know what they say about guys with big feet. What does it mean if they're backwards feet?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
WHERE IS THE WHEELCHAIR
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ya he made a chariot for his horse automation to take him around
The myth with it was "to emulate and surpass heliods chariot"
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>that cheeky look on his face
What does he know?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
He was building it to surpass heliopolis
So mostly that int beats cha
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
he knew about the cripple meta way in advance
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
see, that's better
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
why does this make me think more of segways than wheelchairs kek
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
No the paintings didn't have that detail
Only the later writings described him as "halting"
Mostly they described him as Disfigured man with a vigorous body, wearing a chiton and handling forge equipment
One could argue he was made portly to meet the image of the chubby village blacksmith. Think Griswold from Diablo or something. Kinda like how the stereotypical tavernkeeper is fat and jolly and redfaced.
But in Hades 2 it's so blatantly obvious Heph was designed by someone with a bara fetish.
It literally is starting to feel more like kink and fetish shit masquerading behind the guise of being "woke" and "representation" isnt it
Like I am running out of legitimate reasons to doubt that it isnt just the degen devs trying to shove their fetishes into the game and needed a good excuse to do so
it's not the wheelchair itself that's the fetish, the fetish is that they're imposing themselves on you and your culture and forcing you to play their game. it's a power thing. it's why so many sociopaths LOVE the pronoun stuff and will intentionally make it as confusing as possible so they have an excuse to go after you. it's a power flex.
That also makes sense and once again it all comes full circle back to "Everything is about power". Its all monkeys trying to impose their power on others to carve out just a slightly bigger social status claim
malignant narcists that make some physical aspect of themselves their entire personality because they aren't interesting people love this shit about "being seen". turns out there are plenty of boring c**ts like this that can't walk as well so they want their wheelchair to be their whole identity and their shield.
i started encountering this kind of thing years ago when i began noticing people referring to themselves as Disabled (yes, with a capital D, the way libshits will capitalize black when referring to nogs) which is probably the best argument i have ever seen for eugenics
at least when Japan does it, it's probably because someone had a cool idea, it's not a bunch of fat liberals tweeting to each other about how they're gonna "own da chudzzz" by making a Daredevil reboot where Elektra is a fat black woman with crutches
Come on, sora actually used mechanical legs while sitting on that wheelchair.
If you want to make example with manga.
Use tank chair.
It's literally a murder autist with an ironman wheelchair.
at least when Japan does it, it's probably because someone had a cool idea, it's not a bunch of fat liberals tweeting to each other about how they're gonna "own da chudzzz" by making a Daredevil reboot where Elektra is a fat black woman with crutches
Wheelchairs can look as cool as smoking, but only in manga.
>blind monk = overcomes his issues with determination and honing his skills with other senses DESPITE being blind >wheelchair dude = disabled American with guns
The problem isn’t the wheelchair, is that he cannot overcome that issue despite being in fiction. If he is just a shitty character that exists just to be a cripple then we have nothing to root for.
Even someone like Raubhan from FF14 fights without 1 arm and he is badass despite being a cripple.
Want a good example of wheelchair in fiction? Professor X. He’s a genius and keeps the mutants in check despite being a cripple.
Very little reason for them to exist. If the character is irreversibly crippled despite the magic/technology of the setting and still wants to be a combatant, a wheelchair is a terrible choice of vehicle. The operator is left completely exposed in OPs image, it has low ground clearance, and no clear means of operation/locomotion. Give them a mech suit, tank or fighter jet.
literally just strap an invalid to a big menacing ogre's back and you have better traversal + an iconic duo
this and wheelchairs never ever have worlds that are built around them so it looks even more out of place hmmmmm lets say in fantasy where most roads are shit and there is plenty grasslands/forests
>literally just strap an invalid to a big menacing ogre's back and you have better traversal + an iconic duo
A gung-ho adventurous mage travelling on the back of a skittish orc sounds fun and would actually make for an interesting disabled character, not this bullshit
Because for Bentley he had an entire character arc out of it. Also his wheelchair wasn't Uber-OP, it was still Bentley's character that was so great and special.
https://i.imgur.com/DX3Z2TM.jpeg
How do you feel about characters in battle wheelchairs?
I don't know who started this dumb trend of shoving oddly-advanced-yet-still-straightforward wheelchairs (the absolute lamest way to overcome this disability in a fantasy setting) in their P&P sessions but it felt so sudden and forced. Can't help but feel like it was just an easy win for activists and it's a new thing to sell to D&Dtards. And now people get brownie points when someone inventively brings up how difficult it would be to actually fight in a wheelchair and they get to "clap back" with >it's not a disability, it's a different ability
>take combat wheelchair bc I'm a power gamer >wheelchair is indestructible and impervious to harm to prevent chuddettes from bullying me as I power game >get out of wheelchair in the only doorway into the mcguffin >planeswalk to hentailamd leaving the wheelchair blocking the only way to get the mcguffin
>gay in my D&D group demands to play as a fricking cripple >Humor him >You are in a dungeon, in order to proceed, you must complete your individual tasks which the ghost of the dungeon has given you. You each have to enter into a different area of the dungeon >Weelchair gay rolls to his part of the dungeon >There are stairs leading upwards, what do you do? >I cast levitation >Do I need to remind you that the dungeon is cursed and the curse causes all magic to not work >Make him get out of his wheelchair and pathetically climb up the stairs >A gargoyle comes to life and attacks you >give him massive penalties for every one of his actions since he's flailing around on the ground like the spastic cripple that he is >He gets mad and leaves >Cries "I won't play with you anymore, you fricking butthole" >Once he's gone, the remaining players all thank me
Good riddance.
>play dnd >your character will face individual challenges >character is expected to fail sometimes, preserve >character placed in a trial > "This is too hard and mean Mr DM. You are supposed to take it easier on me because I'm disabled :("
>intentionally punish someone for playing a character you told them they could play >do it maliciously and not for character drama >the immature person here was the player
Lmaoing at your life
While the story is bullshit, it could have been played just fine, if the player is wasting a spell on levitate to traverse normal obstacles, they're going to find themselves behind, which is an actual downside, hell you could put enough obstacles that he's out by the time he turns back and has to traverse them through mundane means.
Wheelie demanded the DM tell a story according to his wants.
The DM told his story, and the player didn't like it. Simple as.
>want to play a character with arachnophobia, for character flavor >placed in a chamber filled with spiders >fail to roll nat 20's to will save >throw a hissy fit because "flavor" got in the way of my hero story >NGMI
They put themselves there, they could have checked for gargoyles, cast detect monster, gone back to get help or anything other than flopping down onto the ground in a dungeon.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>they put themselves there
no, dm put them there >checked for gargoyles
i guess? >detect magic
no magic allowed >gone back
individual tasks
RPG's do this constantly.
Hero's falling to their lowest point is central to almost every hero story.
What GOOD stories have heroes never failing, and always persevering.
EVEN Superman has horrific shit happening to him.
falling to the lowest point=/=getting killed by a random monster
this is one of those cases where gameplay and narrative are at odds
I don't do tabletop but I don't think success is guaranteed every time
success isnt guaranteed but dms dont actively try to create scenarios that are unwinnable specifically for your character
the frick is this stupid statement
it is perfectly normal to run into enemies in RPG that you cannot kill in your/their current state and you need to come up with a plan quick.
*HE* chose to be a cripple, and this means that a lot of combat encounters are pretty much unwinnable in direct confrontation
*HE* wanted to play a character who had to overcome great challenges, but when those great challenges arrived, he bailed
>you need to come up with a plan quick.
such as? monster spawned on top of them, dm came up with 'massive penalties' and the player cannot cast magic >*HE* chose to be a cripple, and this means that a lot of combat encounters are pretty much unwinnable in direct confrontation
the combat encounters that were created after player made the character and the player was ready to bypass movement issues via levitation anyway >*HE* wanted to play a character who had to overcome great challenges, but when those great challenges arrived, he bailed
because the character was intentionally given unbeatable challenges
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
In a world where resurrection is a literal spell and not super rare thing (depending on dm), death is absolutely a low point. Could use that as a launching off point to embark on a quest to restore his legs, to exact vengeance on the big bad who did this to him, to make the world a better place for people who suffer like him, etc
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
yeah but the story would never be about how losing his legs was a bad thing because it's supposed to be a power fantasy thing, regardless of what the actual tone of the game is, they HAVE to be able to zoom around and do wheelchair ninja stuff or you're being ableist and discriminating against them!!!!
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>you think you got the best of me with stairs? >heh, nothing personal kid >starts using the square room like a skateboard loop de loop >gain enough speed to use the first step like a ramp >use incredible speed to decapitate the gargoyle on the way up
meanwhile....
>warrior gets to swing his axe 3 times >cleric gets to cast 2 spells
god I hate pick me power fantasy homosexuals
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
actually the idea of like some regular crippled guy that might be more bookish that ends up with a magic ninja wheelchair (that's possibly sentient?) would be really funny. all he wants to do his read his books and his wheelchair has the personality of Dante.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
New character: warforged wheelchair
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>good dms dont actively try to create scenarios that are unwinnable specifically for your character
fixed
Without knowing exactly how the scenario played out, all we can do is shit and piss.
If the DM did that just to frick with the player? Foul play. But I think a situation like that can be cool if it's supposed to play into character development, or if at least the party can help out.
this is one of those cases where gameplay and narrative are at odds
I don't do tabletop but I don't think success is guaranteed every time
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Only if you have to roll for it. That original post reads as failure guaranteed nearly every time because the guy running the game decided to put him in that situation.
the frick is this stupid statement
it is perfectly normal to run into enemies in RPG that you cannot kill in your/their current state and you need to come up with a plan quick.
*HE* chose to be a cripple, and this means that a lot of combat encounters are pretty much unwinnable in direct confrontation
*HE* wanted to play a character who had to overcome great challenges, but when those great challenges arrived, he bailed
>the player chose it all!
Not so fast, fartsniffer. The DM chose to put the player in an unwinnable encounter that the player would obviously not enjoy to get back at him for nagging him to play a wheelchair guy. As the DM, either have a pair of balls and outright deny him as the guy running the game or accept that one of the players is running a character who has XYZ capabilities, and if you don't put him in a situation that is interesting and engaging then you're a bad DM for willingly running a game with this factor and being unable or unwilling to think critically to come up with something interesting.
For the player's part, if there was another way offered and he did not think critically himself to approach the situation in a novel way that played to his strengths then he was being a bad player. The guy telling the story probably would have included that detail to further shit on the guy though, so it obviously did not happen.
Not that guy btw but your post was really fricking stupid so I'm shoving my dick into the reply chain.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>they put themselves there
no, dm put them there >checked for gargoyles
i guess? >detect magic
no magic allowed >gone back
individual tasks
[...]
falling to the lowest point=/=getting killed by a random monster
[...]
success isnt guaranteed but dms dont actively try to create scenarios that are unwinnable specifically for your character
[...] >you need to come up with a plan quick.
such as? monster spawned on top of them, dm came up with 'massive penalties' and the player cannot cast magic >*HE* chose to be a cripple, and this means that a lot of combat encounters are pretty much unwinnable in direct confrontation
the combat encounters that were created after player made the character and the player was ready to bypass movement issues via levitation anyway >*HE* wanted to play a character who had to overcome great challenges, but when those great challenges arrived, he bailed
because the character was intentionally given unbeatable challenges
>The DM chose to put the player in an unwinnable encounter
exactly. and what did he do? he didn't come up with any plan to outwit the GM. he failed at the challenge he set for himself at the very first encounter. >bad DM for willingly running a game with this factor and being unable or unwilling to think critically to come up with something interesting
No, the GM plans a lot of his encounter and campaign beforehand. The group actually has the challenge to create a party that is able to take on the challenges. If *YOU*, the player, chooses to play a moronic cripple who painfully crawls up some dungeon stairs for a puzzle, then gets surprised by an encounter, then *YOU*, the player, have to come up with a plan to solve this challenge.
The encounter might be unwinnable by brute force, but in any RPG, there are always a million different ways to come by. If *YOU*, the cripple player, is unable to find a way, then I'm sorry but I have to tell you this: TTRPGs are not for you.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
how are you supposed to 'outwit' the gm in a situation where you are forced to proceed alone but cannot cast spells and get massive penalties to all rolls
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
there's this secret technique called approaching the table without being a huge annoying homosexual
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
you outwit a GM by coming up with a plan that surprises him. have you ever played TTRPGs before? >b-b-but what can I do???
you chose to play a cripple. it's up to you how you solve this puzzle. >b-b-but I cannot w-win
not in direct combat, no. come up with a better plan or you are dead. >b-b-but we are playing combat heavy RPG here an-
why the frick did you create a character that is unable to fight for a combat heavy RPG?
I wish to conclude: There is a reason why people like you are not playing TTRPGs, and I think you are close to realize what it is.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
i dont think you have ever actually played a ttrpg
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I play every weeks, for nearly 2 decades. I have played with people who create blind characters on a regular basis, or moronic shit like brawler pixies, and not a single one of them ever complained about encounters being "too hard" for their moron cripple characters. they always find a way and pull through.
go frick yourself, cripple moron. if coming up with other plans than "my moronic cripple character crawls around on the floor, then dies" is too hard for you, don't play. you are not appreciated.
>No, the GM plans a lot of his encounter and campaign beforehand.
You are wrong and do not play tabletop if you just assume this. That is not necessarily true in regards to this encounter, or even in regards to most of anon's campaign. The level of prep for any one part or larger brush stroke of a region or section of his game is not guaranteed and will depend on his style and honestly, the amount of time he had before that particular session. The guy didn't even mention that it was a campaign, just that this was his DnD group, so this all could just be a one-shot and not tied to larger events or places in his setting where consistency matters more.
Some DMs plan out every single detail meticulously and have a very finely-crafted sandbox that quickly falls apart when players do or try something that throws them for a loop. Others have a general idea and statblocks ready and keep things more open for improvisation, which leads to descriptions and detail that may not be as finely honed, but in terms of experience allows the players more freedom to try stranger and more unorthodox tactics without worrying that they will be throwing the DM for a loop and ruining their flow.
All of that is to say that if the DM allows a player to use a particular character then if they DO prep anything, it will be with that character in mind, and if they DON'T prep something beforehand, they will be improvising with that character in mind. The long and short of it is that the GM and that player clearly didn't like each other, the DM was a pussy and wouldn't just give a hard no, he decided to passive-aggressively get back at the player by putting him in a patently unfun scenario, and the guy left because he wasn't enjoying himself anymore. Maybe the player deserved it because he was a douche but the DM was being a gay as well.
>You are wrong
alright, lets see why >Some DMs plan out every single detail meticulously and have a very finely-crafted sandbox that quickly falls apart when players do or try something that throws them for a loop.
no, you are wrong. "magic is not allowed in that part of the dungeon, and at the puzzle, there are stone gargoyles who come to life" is not some meticulously crafted detail to offend the moronic cripple player. >the guy left because he wasn't enjoying himself anymore
good. if you don't enjoy yourself because you actually have to roleplay as the moron cripple that you created, then you shouldn't be part of the group in the first place. stay away, and never come back.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>no, you are wrong.
Anon your reading comprehension is not very good. I brought up the two examples of different DM styles to illustrate my point that it is incorrect to just assume that DMs in general and that anon in particular plan out much of their encounter and campaign before any one session. My talking about how some DMs meticulously craft sandboxes was not specifically in reference to the original example, but again to illustrate that just assuming prep work is wrong and outs you as someone who doesn't actually play or only assumes one way to run games is the "default" way.
If you actually played as often as you say then it would be obvious to you that making an assumption for how much original anon had planned would be stupid with the information given, so you're lying or moronic. Because you can't understand basic english, my current guess is the second one.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
anon, your examples are detached from reality and fail to illustrate any point besides >you see, I don't believe in planning encounters, and I ridicule anyone who does by claiming he plans every single detail out only to watch his constructions fall apart
I actually played more often than you are willing to believe, and planning simple shit like "no magic in this part, encounters of this kind at this part" is so far detached from actually planning every detail of a campaign, that it makes me wonder how you managed to solve any encounter without immediately crying and harassing the GM.
yes yes youre a hardcore epic veteran dm and fail to see whats wrong with a situation where a player loses 80% of their options and the remaining 20% are nearly useless and require a lot of consistently high rolls to not die
[...]
thats cool but you cannot really do shit to a gargoyle in a nonmagic dungeon without having magic weapons on you (which a caster most likely doesnt have if its a very early (like lvl3) dungeon
your other theoretical sources of dmg are some no damage dogshit like alchemists fire
so the players only real option was running away after seeing a statue with the assumption that its a gargoyle (in a no-magic dungeon)
>a player loses 80% of their options
the player gave up 80% of his options at the start of the campaign, *and* when he decided to leave his wheelchair to cripple up a flight of stairs, and then he actually, unironically tried to fight a fricking gargoyle while flying on the floor like a moron
this player has done EVERYTHING wrong you can do wrong in this scene: >enters an area that disabled your skills >leaves the only thing that lets you move behind >gets surprised by an encounter while being unable to move and unable to use his skills >decides to fight it
I'm gonna repeat this for you: if you play TTRPGs like this and then complain about the GM being unfair to you, TTRPGs are not for you. I don't know what you expect or want out of a roleplaying game, but if just want to play a moron cripple who dies at his first encounter and then complain about it, in all seriously, frick off. nobody wants or needs you.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>the player gave up 80% of his options at the start of the campaign
how? the player literally tried to cover theirs weaknesses with specific spells that got disabled to prove some imaginary point >decided to leave his wheelchair to cripple up a flight of stairs
because its literall ythe only way to progress >unironically tried to fight a fricking gargoyle while flying on the floor like a moron
what was he supposed to do? try escaping a gargoyle that has 4x his speed?
the players most reasonable option was praying that the dm isnt a drooling moron that hates his players
have you considered that the DM and the group prefer challenging and grounded campaigns?
why are you coming at this from the perspective that the guy choosing to play as a cripple deserves special treatment? are you a cripple yourself or something?
being put in a situation that removes almost all of your options is actually special treatment
and making a campaign grounded and challenging by limiting your options and making encounters more rng dependent is the most moronic thing you can do
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don't know if you're just incredibly dishonest or you have dementia, because you talked about story-anon planning out his encounters and campaigns here
[...] >The DM chose to put the player in an unwinnable encounter
exactly. and what did he do? he didn't come up with any plan to outwit the GM. he failed at the challenge he set for himself at the very first encounter. >bad DM for willingly running a game with this factor and being unable or unwilling to think critically to come up with something interesting
No, the GM plans a lot of his encounter and campaign beforehand. The group actually has the challenge to create a party that is able to take on the challenges. If *YOU*, the player, chooses to play a moronic cripple who painfully crawls up some dungeon stairs for a puzzle, then gets surprised by an encounter, then *YOU*, the player, have to come up with a plan to solve this challenge.
The encounter might be unwinnable by brute force, but in any RPG, there are always a million different ways to come by. If *YOU*, the cripple player, is unable to find a way, then I'm sorry but I have to tell you this: TTRPGs are not for you.
as a rebuttal to my point about him being a bad GM for knowing a player rolled a certain character and bring unable or unwilling to think critically to come up with an interesting challenge that actually plays off the character having XYZ abilities and limitations.
Your counter to that was that the GM plans out a lot of his encounter and campaign beforehand. So when I correctly respond that you don't know how much story-anon planned out his encounter, and you tell me that such things are trivial and don't need to be planned, I have to think either you have dementia or you think that I do.
Either the GM had to plan out his encounters and campaign so it's permissible that the situation that arose was uninteresting and unfun, or it is trivial to alter such things(which it is) and story-anon was just being a shitty GM to spite a player he didn't like. But if you're going to pretend that your own reasoning that the GM must plan out such encounters is now moronic when you see the logical conclusions, all I will say is concession accepted, I'm happy you reasoned yourself that your argument was moronic.
You say I didn't do all of them at once
Sure
But that's because I had 6 players, 3 doing 1 thing 2 doing another, the barb being the terrible face that gets the party into trouble
The cleric having to go haggle for scrolls of revive while we played out the wizard being murdered in a coliseum
The lich splitting the party up In a.mssive Dungeon designed to frick each character over
So you admit that it's fricking stupid to say "well I've seen all of these elements separately and you can make an interesting situation out of them individually, so of course the same will apply when all of these constraints are mashed together to the point of the player being unable to move or roll or defend himself while he's all alone."
Concession accepted here as well.
Have a nice day, moron.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Each scenario IS the mashed up scenario
The other players were doing other things and the player was alone
The player had no real strengths to use, and had major problems (which litterally killed the wizard in one of them)
And they had no way to make it better but to play through it, he'll or high water
You seem to not be able to read
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
no whenever the DM saw the guy was playing a wheelchair character he was supposed to drop any pretense of a hard adventure and instead make a fun padded bouncy castle for wheelchair guy to feel awesome in, anything less is being a shitty GM
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Each scenario IS the mashed up scenario
Clearly not to one individual character, which is what we were talking about in regards to story-anon's player, because different bad things with separate constraints were happening to different party members, and not all to one individual at the same time. Can you read your own posts, or keep your stories straight?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ok
Please tell me what was missing from each
As, it seems that I can't read what I write
I will wait.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The fact that every single constraint was levied onto a single character simultaneously, which goes from being 3 interesting scenarios happening to a part of collaborating players who can play off each others strengths, to a painfully uninteresting scenario where every constraint is levied on a single character in an effort to just kill him. I said this like 3 times anon, you're blindingly stupid.
Huh
A wizard that moves half speed from armour penalties, can't use magic, is not proficient in gladiator weapons and gets killed
Seems like this is exactly what happened to wheelchair man
If you were a better GM than story-anon(I hope you are because that's a low bar) then I'd hope you gave wizard some opportunity to fish for an out or interact meaningfully with the barbarian to possibly eke out an advantage in the situation. Did your player do nothing to improve their situation at all? Because I have to assume your gladiator arena structure is more interesting than "this is a cave with one staircase and there's a gargoyle at the top" and there was something that could be leveraged with proper planning.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ok
To spell it out each one was a different session
Each scenario was the Fricked character having to play fricked
5 players are doing things : last player is
In session 1 : the barb who has to navigate through nobles and not speak out and kill someone
Session 2: the wizard owes money and ends up having to fight in a coliseum under the coliseum rules and gets killed ; in the background the cleric role plays haggling for resurrection scrolls because we all saw it coming
Session 3 : a lich fricks the entire party over, splits them all up and forces them to deal with the worst scenarios for each
The players had to figure out how to play through these
Even if that meant dying
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Okay so thanks the wizard scenario actually had a lot going on, with different options prior to and time to prep for such a thing, and the wizard had an actual out going into the whole thing of getting rez'd anway. So it's not like the story-anon example at all, why didn't you jsut say "I'm a massive moron" from the start so we could have an understanding?
As the second person you responded to
I was just pointing out that the scenario The person you keep trying to say is stupid and can't read IS the exact same as the given scenario for the wheelchair
This was to imply that you appear to have problems reading and are possibly projecting
Almost had a point until anon undermined you by revealing that there was a lot of context and buildup to the situation that involved a lot of player choice and agency, and the wizard went into the situation with a plan to get rez'd anyway. So it's not exactly the same as the wheelchair scenario with no buildup and a GM with a hate-boner for a player that he didn't like and no established outs or way for ressurection described.
How about you project your fingers into a woodchipper before you type another post that stupid?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
THE CLERIC ROLEPLAYED WHILE THE WIZARD WAS FIGHTING
the wizard went into combat assuming he could get through it
He couldn't
You are just a massive moron aren't you?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>the wizard went into combat assuming he could get through it >He couldn't
RE
TARD
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's almost like you can't read
Define background _ hint it's simultaneously
Guess which players saw it coming: not the wizard
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
you are LITERALLY moronic, huh?
it literally doesn't fricking matter if one player didn't see it coming if everyone else knew and prepared for the fight's outcome AT THE SAME TIME AS THE FIGHT WAS HAPPENING
it's not in ANY way comparable to a surprise dungeon designed to make you useless and die
It's funny how illiterate you are
have a nice day
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It does when the one player was the one that got fricked
Kinda like how the wheelchair user got fricked
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
no, it does not because other players know what's going to happen and are effectively going to continue that plot point which results in different players playing different roles in the same scenario
on top of that your wizard was actually aware of what can happen lol
how is that in any way similiar to a disjointed surprise murder where other players are performing tasks completely unrelated to your death?
No thanks
I like dunking on morons like you too much
Jesus the amount of cope is heavenly
Just admit you fricked up and move on everyone disagrees with
*yawns*
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Oh man like all the other players did in the wheelchair scenario?
Where they did the trials and completed the Dungeon
Almost like if the wheelchair man stayed he might have had a way to be brought back or something but this was just a setback?
But no he birthed and moaned and left
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
trails that were completely unrelated to his death but its not like they couldve done anything anyway lol
why would you keep playing with a malicious dm
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Because I can play games and have fun?
The dm wasn't the problem hear, it was the player
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
well the problem is that he couldnt play games because the dm prevented him from doing anything LOL
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Huh, that's not how it seemed
It seemed that the dm gave him a challenge
And he decided to leave when he failed
Only person stopping him was himself
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
the challenge in question boiled down to rolling 14 nat20s in a row and hoping that the gargoyle rolls below 9 on 20 of their 28 rolls
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Dig deeper, it's really helping you get people on your side
O wait
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Friend, I say this in the most respect.
You have no idea what you are saying and are just doubling down. Just stop
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
We only heard about wheelchair man's trial
We have no idea if this was a surprise dungeon or what anyone else was doing
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
No thanks
I like dunking on morons like you too much
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Jesus the amount of cope is heavenly
Just admit you fricked up and move on everyone disagrees with
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's so funny to see how much moronation you bring
Just move on, no one agrees with you
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's funny how illiterate you are
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Holy shit the cope on this moron
Go jerk off somewhere else, hughschool dropout
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Jesue you can't read at all and just vomit shit you made up in your head all day don't you
Get out before your bull finds out you were online again
Keep crying, taint-lickers. Seeing your malding brings me joy
THE CLERIC ROLEPLAYED WHILE THE WIZARD WAS FIGHTING
the wizard went into combat assuming he could get through it
He couldn't
You are just a massive moron aren't you?
Yeah that's not anything like the situation described by story-anon. It sounds like you let players interact meaningfully and ultimately have agency and outs in an otherwise tough situation. You also respected the players enough to make such interesting decisions that amounted to more than "you have to go to the anti-magic staircase and climb, now there's a gargoyle you have penalties lol."
If you can't see the difference between your situation and the story in the thread then you're even dumber than you type. And you type like some who is not very smart.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Look at this person cry out
How fricking stupid are you
Single digit or double digit iq?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Confirmed angry taint-licker. Are you mad I outed you for where you place your fetid tongue?
Oh man like all the other players did in the wheelchair scenario?
Where they did the trials and completed the Dungeon
Almost like if the wheelchair man stayed he might have had a way to be brought back or something but this was just a setback?
But no he birthed and moaned and left
>yeah he was gonna get rez'd for sure! They totally were gonna bring him back
Where did you read that? From anon's telling of the story, he said everyone was happy and thanking him and offering him blowjobs for making the player quit. Lying b***h.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Single digit then
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Stay mad, concession accepted
no, it does not because other players know what's going to happen and are effectively going to continue that plot point which results in different players playing different roles in the same scenario
on top of that your wizard was actually aware of what can happen lol
how is that in any way similiar to a disjointed surprise murder where other players are performing tasks completely unrelated to your death?
[...]
[...]
*yawns*
The only other person in this thread with a fricking brain, and they rage against you as well.
Same place you read about the other trials and players
Where are you reading here
>gay in my D&D group demands to play as a fricking cripple >Humor him >You are in a dungeon, in order to proceed, you must complete your individual tasks which the ghost of the dungeon has given you. You each have to enter into a different area of the dungeon >Weelchair gay rolls to his part of the dungeon >There are stairs leading upwards, what do you do? >I cast levitation >Do I need to remind you that the dungeon is cursed and the curse causes all magic to not work >Make him get out of his wheelchair and pathetically climb up the stairs >A gargoyle comes to life and attacks you >give him massive penalties for every one of his actions since he's flailing around on the ground like the spastic cripple that he is >He gets mad and leaves >Cries "I won't play with you anymore, you fricking butthole" >Once he's gone, the remaining players all thank me
Good riddance.
that the players were gonna bring back the wheelchair wizard, when by anon's recounting they were all bowing in respect when he ran off the player? I demand an apology for your stupidity.
I mean if a player dropped after getting fricked up once, I wouldn't want him back
And if he was making characters and b***hing about it, I would probably buy the FM a drink for knocking him down a peg
If it's clear that you're not wanted then it would be moronic to stay, but that only further reinforces my point that this guy would not get rez'd and this is not anything like the other situation described by the diaper-shitting DM whose players clearly had enough experience and planning that his wizard's death would end up being a secret rez by his buds.
He was right to leave if he wasn't wanted but it was still being a shitty DM not just talking things out and railroading him to a game death instead.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Same place you read about the other trials and players
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I mean if a player dropped after getting fricked up once, I wouldn't want him back
And if he was making characters and b***hing about it, I would probably buy the FM a drink for knocking him down a peg
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Jesue you can't read at all and just vomit shit you made up in your head all day don't you
Get out before your bull finds out you were online again
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
As the second person you responded to
I was just pointing out that the scenario The person you keep trying to say is stupid and can't read IS the exact same as the given scenario for the wheelchair
This was to imply that you appear to have problems reading and are possibly projecting
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Huh
A wizard that moves half speed from armour penalties, can't use magic, is not proficient in gladiator weapons and gets killed
Seems like this is exactly what happened to wheelchair man
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
yes yes youre a hardcore epic veteran dm and fail to see whats wrong with a situation where a player loses 80% of their options and the remaining 20% are nearly useless and require a lot of consistently high rolls to not die
literally its all in the preparation stage. If you spend days pouring over source books you can cook up insane utility and damage.
>last campaign I was in >we played from level 5 to 20 >actually played weekly for like 8 years >I play a barbarian pit fighter who was a potion addict. Living on the streets, fighting in the arena to earn enough to get fricked up on potions >find god, redeem myself, become a paladin while staying clean off potions. Barbarian grappler specialty, who cross classed to paladin. >be fairly weak powerwise >other friend in party >spent weeks researching and building >makes a ranger / alchemist / magical archer >has hordes of potions, magical inks to draw any utility item he wants and have it manifest, tons of enchantments he can whip up for arrows >all the good tabletop utility skills maxxed >gear perfectly selected for optimal skill gain and damage >creates spreadsheets for what to roll for all combinations of alchemical buffs, potions, buffs, enchantments >When I cant grapple, I swing a greatsword >"okay, I hit him for 80 damage" >friend rolls >okay, I have bomb arrows, these alchemical enchantments, this buff, and i hit for.... 285 damage" >oh we are facing a challenge we arent prepared for >friend "okay, I draw enough rope and lumber to create a bridge"
His character moves the story forward the best but is boring af
thats cool but you cannot really do shit to a gargoyle in a nonmagic dungeon without having magic weapons on you (which a caster most likely doesnt have if its a very early (like lvl3) dungeon
your other theoretical sources of dmg are some no damage dogshit like alchemists fire
so the players only real option was running away after seeing a statue with the assumption that its a gargoyle (in a no-magic dungeon)
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
So.. a normal game?
Most games I run players are really hampered and halve to use one or two things to full advantage to win
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
yes, a caster who cannot cast and has penalties to everything they do has their options 'halved'
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
So a normal game?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
funny
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I am seriously asking.
That seems pretty normal to me
30 years of running games and most of the time it's fun shit like making sure the face of the party is distracted while the ugly barbarian has to roll play through a nobles party
Or
A mage has to sub in for a gladiator friend that he owes money to, and magic isn't allowed
Or
The lich is competent
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not him but none of those are really applicable to the original post because those are interesting situations with many options for collaboration between players and fun interactions.
I remind you that the original post's situation was >you must go do this alone >and also you cannot cast spells as a wizard because all magic is disabled everywhere here >and you must leave your only means of transportation behind at the bottom of a flight of stairs >and you will be attacked by a gargoyle when you have no means of defending yourself >and I will give you massive penalties for "every one of your actions"
In your 30 years of running have you heard of the term "railroading?" Because that's pretty clearly what that was, to the point of putting each individual player on their own railroad so nobody can help each other out and interact. You'll deny this because you're invested in winning the argument but deep down you know that it was the anon being a shitty DM.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
no troony, it was the homosexual being a shitty player
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It can be both, and probably was. I won't run interference for the player being a snowflake homosexual but I won't defend anon being a shit gm either.
Assuming the four tasks weren't identical staircases made of anti magic, he could have swapped with one of the other party members. If they were then yeah that's clearly just targeting the player. That said, it didn't happen.
>If they were just targeting the wizard in a wheelchair by giving him the task of an antimagic staircase >if
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Hey, "solve the puzzle/fight by swapping tasks/opponents with another guy to cover for each others weaknesses" is a standard theme, I was trying to give a tiny bit of undeserved credit.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Assuming the four tasks weren't identical staircases made of anti magic, he could have swapped with one of the other party members. If they were then yeah that's clearly just targeting the player. That said, it didn't happen.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
the point is he threw a tanty and ran off as soon as he saw that the game wasn't going to turn into his SJW cripple power fantasy like he wanted, he made zero effort to actually engage in the game, his entire interest was showing off how inclusive and progressive he is for playing a cripple
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
trying too hard
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
i accept your concession troony, go run back to /tttt/ and cry to your xisters about how the hecking chuds are so mean to you
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
But he clearly made an effort to engage, by making his character a mage and preparing levitate to get through situations when he had to do without, instead of expecting the chair to do that part for him.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
when faced with an obstacle he immediately wants to magic it and handwave away the disability he was so intent on playing instead of doing anything interesting with it, he was just there to virtue signal lmao
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's not handwaving apart from in the literal casting magic sense, is a rope handwaving the problem away when facing a long drop? Is a bluff check handwaving when trying to enter a party without an invitation?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>the gargoyle is standing over your crippled body what do you do >I roll to seduce
problem solved
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>the gargoyle is a bottom, you can't get an erection due to your paralysis
The game was as rigged from the start.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I treat him like he is even more worthless then me
"At least I can feel through my flesh, you will be forever denied that with your smooth marble skin"
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>pulls out scroll of stone to flesh
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Gargoyle is forever immune to twink death, and disregards your slight.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not sure what that means?
But we have established that he can be seduced and that he is a bottom right?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>"At least I can feel through my flesh, you will be forever denied that with your smooth marble skin"
How do you respond without sounding mad?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>only above the waist, cripple
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
He didn't leave until after climbing the staircase without his wheelchair the DM threw an unwinnable encounter at him to kill him. If you have ever been at a session like this and it's clear the DM just hates you and is trying to kill you, it's not worth your time staying there because you're not going to have fun at that point.
And all of mine were
You must do this alone (either because no one was nearby or because they weren't allowed or lich)
No spells or backup (barb and spells hah)
And worst pairing (nobles + int 8 barb, wizard in a gladiator tournament, competent lich)
Yes I have heard of railroading
You may have seen me describe "distracting the face"
"Owing money"
"Lich"
I see you did not do all of these at once because it would be an uninteresting situation at that point due to lack of fun and engaging options, because every one of your solutions hinges on something that you couldn't do in anon's story. I don't know how you couldn't put this together yourself. You're doing the equivalent of >He asked him to light a fire underwater? Come on anon, I've put players in situations where they had to light a fire, AND in situations where they were underwater. Not railroading!
Hey, "solve the puzzle/fight by swapping tasks/opponents with another guy to cover for each others weaknesses" is a standard theme, I was trying to give a tiny bit of undeserved credit.
If it was actually an option then sure and I won't say for sure that someone dumb enough to cripple their character wasn't also dumb enough not to take that option if it was available. But something tells me that the DM really wanted the player to find that antimagic staircase.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You say I didn't do all of them at once
Sure
But that's because I had 6 players, 3 doing 1 thing 2 doing another, the barb being the terrible face that gets the party into trouble
The cleric having to go haggle for scrolls of revive while we played out the wizard being murdered in a coliseum
The lich splitting the party up In a.mssive Dungeon designed to frick each character over
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
And all of mine were
You must do this alone (either because no one was nearby or because they weren't allowed or lich)
No spells or backup (barb and spells hah)
And worst pairing (nobles + int 8 barb, wizard in a gladiator tournament, competent lich)
Yes I have heard of railroading
You may have seen me describe "distracting the face"
"Owing money"
"Lich"
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
how is any of that comparable to the caster being put in a scenario where to avoid death they have to roll 2dmg quarterstaff/dagger/whatever attack (with disadvantage if they arent on the wheelchair) against a tanky monster that outruns them (and hits them with advantage if they arent on the wheelchair)
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Gladiator wizard with no spells and in gladiator armor he isn't proficient in
It was litterally one of the scenarios
Only more deadly as it wasn't 1v1 but brawls
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
that'd be a pretty cool point for character development, if he got out of it >I once got stuck in a situation where I couldn't use magic >since then I've been lifting, just in case
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Stage 5: Accepting your death.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
literally its all in the preparation stage. If you spend days pouring over source books you can cook up insane utility and damage.
>last campaign I was in >we played from level 5 to 20 >actually played weekly for like 8 years >I play a barbarian pit fighter who was a potion addict. Living on the streets, fighting in the arena to earn enough to get fricked up on potions >find god, redeem myself, become a paladin while staying clean off potions. Barbarian grappler specialty, who cross classed to paladin. >be fairly weak powerwise >other friend in party >spent weeks researching and building >makes a ranger / alchemist / magical archer >has hordes of potions, magical inks to draw any utility item he wants and have it manifest, tons of enchantments he can whip up for arrows >all the good tabletop utility skills maxxed >gear perfectly selected for optimal skill gain and damage >creates spreadsheets for what to roll for all combinations of alchemical buffs, potions, buffs, enchantments >When I cant grapple, I swing a greatsword >"okay, I hit him for 80 damage" >friend rolls >okay, I have bomb arrows, these alchemical enchantments, this buff, and i hit for.... 285 damage" >oh we are facing a challenge we arent prepared for >friend "okay, I draw enough rope and lumber to create a bridge"
His character moves the story forward the best but is boring af
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>No, the GM plans a lot of his encounter and campaign beforehand.
You are wrong and do not play tabletop if you just assume this. That is not necessarily true in regards to this encounter, or even in regards to most of anon's campaign. The level of prep for any one part or larger brush stroke of a region or section of his game is not guaranteed and will depend on his style and honestly, the amount of time he had before that particular session. The guy didn't even mention that it was a campaign, just that this was his DnD group, so this all could just be a one-shot and not tied to larger events or places in his setting where consistency matters more.
Some DMs plan out every single detail meticulously and have a very finely-crafted sandbox that quickly falls apart when players do or try something that throws them for a loop. Others have a general idea and statblocks ready and keep things more open for improvisation, which leads to descriptions and detail that may not be as finely honed, but in terms of experience allows the players more freedom to try stranger and more unorthodox tactics without worrying that they will be throwing the DM for a loop and ruining their flow.
All of that is to say that if the DM allows a player to use a particular character then if they DO prep anything, it will be with that character in mind, and if they DON'T prep something beforehand, they will be improvising with that character in mind. The long and short of it is that the GM and that player clearly didn't like each other, the DM was a pussy and wouldn't just give a hard no, he decided to passive-aggressively get back at the player by putting him in a patently unfun scenario, and the guy left because he wasn't enjoying himself anymore. Maybe the player deserved it because he was a douche but the DM was being a gay as well.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I have been doing for 30+ years
I have never planned anything
Half the time I roll up to the table and just go
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Dming
Damn auto correct
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>roll up to the table
IRL wheelchair user confirmed?
the frick is this stupid statement
it is perfectly normal to run into enemies in RPG that you cannot kill in your/their current state and you need to come up with a plan quick.
*HE* chose to be a cripple, and this means that a lot of combat encounters are pretty much unwinnable in direct confrontation
*HE* wanted to play a character who had to overcome great challenges, but when those great challenges arrived, he bailed
>playing MAGE tabletop >Play a drug dealer >friend is playing a tortured musician >large backstory about his guitar coming from his dead brother or mentor or some shit >friend goes to a manager who also sells drugs to celebrities >I arrive to supply drugs to manager >friend fails his perform check >manager says he's shit, he'll never make it >cops arrive to bust us >I convince him to escape out the second story window with me >rolls a nat 1 climbing out of the window, falls 2 stories >lands on his guitar destroying it completely >getting chased by the cops >he rolls a nat 1 climbing a fence and he gets trapped on the fence snagging his pants >we all now need to bust him out of jail because he has information we need
One of the best unprepared tabletops I ever got to play. The guy playing the musician loved it because he became a forever meme amongst all of us and we all laugh and tell that story
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
if the guy who wrote the wheelchair story dmded that your friend wouldve gotten shot to death by cops (if he somehow survived the fall and if he somehow survived suicide will saves caused by destroying his brothers memento)
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's a pleasant story and I genuinely enjoyed reading it but it doesn't apply too well here unless your friend rolled decently to climb out the window or climb the fence but massive penalties were applied specifically to railroad him into his failure because there was a predetermined outcome that someone really wanted to happen.
It also doesn't really apply here because I assume you and your friend both enjoyed playing with each other and spending that time in each others company, and one was not trying actively to keep the other from having fun.
the guy rolled his character, the DM didn't give it to him. if you were rolling a character and got 3s for all your stats and chose to continue then the game being difficult for you is your own fault
if you roll a paraplegic cripple and expect everyone else to suspend their disbelief and cast aside verisimilitude for your benefit then (you) are the butthole, not the DM.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
i guess its fine to make all encounters unwinnable for an average party and then tell players its their fault for not rolling higher stats and minmaxing builds
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
have you considered that the DM and the group prefer challenging and grounded campaigns?
why are you coming at this from the perspective that the guy choosing to play as a cripple deserves special treatment? are you a cripple yourself or something?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
because trannies like this think like this and do things like this all the time, they're allowed to impose themselves because of their identity and if you say anything about it you're a bad person
>you're a liberal cuck >I'm based & redpilled
>Snake is some autistic bearded incel, I'm an alpha male that crushes pussy on base every day
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
He did get special treatment, he got an encounter designed specifically to render him useless and without any help. If a barbarian invested heavily in melee, but brought a bow along just in case, then had a solo encounter where he had to leave the bow behind and then fight archers shooting from the other side of a a lake of acid, it's not the barbarians fault.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>some convoluted scenario where a bow can't be used for some reason, and also there are enemies that can only be engaged in ranged combat >stairs
are you always this dishonest?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>stairs
>a staircase coated in anti magic, that must be climbed without any help from the rest of the party, with a gargoyle ambush on top
are you always this dishonest?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'll give you a hint, the bow in the scenario presented isn't the wheelchair, it's the mages entire fricking spell repertoire.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
this really gets to the heart of the issue lol, the guy isn't playing a spellcaster who happens to use a wheelchair, the guy was playing a wheelchair users who happens to be a spellcaster. remove the wheelchair and you have nothing, because visibly playing a character in a wheelchair is the ENTIRE point for that guy. that's the problem.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You're assuming a lot, since the only encounter took away both his wheelchair and magic at the same time.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>the wheelchair-bound spellcaster loses his magic >keeps going >the wheelchair-bound spellcaster loses his wheelchair >keeps going >the wheelchair-bound spellcaster gets ambushed >keeps going until he dies >quits >"WOOOOOOW he only cared about the wheelchair"
Depends on the challenge and the understanding that the player and the GM have about the current game and that character's place in it. I played a quad amputee for a campaign that was carried around by another player and we all enjoyed ourselves because I didn't push the limits on what I could do and the GM didn't have it out for me because we all had an understanding that it was in good fun and when my cleric was put in situations where he got rekt for it, it was to enhance the enjoyment of the game for everyone involved.
The original thing with the wheelchair in the dungeon sounds like a player and GM having a disagreement about what to allow, and instead of the GM telling him flat-out no and the player respecting that, two mistakes occurred that doomed it from the start. The player made the mistake of pressing the issue despite being told no and the GM made the mistake of begrudgingly allowing something in his game that he knew he would hate. The situation that resulted was the bad kind of adversarial GMing, where both people hate each other but one happens to be god.
I would have thought this was a cool story when I was a teen but this just seems like a bully power fantasy when in reality it's just grown men playing pretend and getting mad someone is playing pretend in a way they don't like
So you're a troon, and you were the kid when playing pretend who would say
>Nuh uh, I have the omega black power armor that makes it so bullets dont hurt me. I also have insane reflexes and can dodge them anyway. >I also have a gun that shoots nuclear warheads and NOBODY can defend against it
We all hated that kid.
DnD is literally playing pretend within a given framework. If a player wants to come in and have changes made to the framework, they have to clear it with the DM who makes a judgement call.
DnD is literally not people doing whatever they want and telling a silly story.
no thats actually what the dm did >you cannot use your wheelchair because there are stairs
ok i cast levita- >you cannot cast spells
ok ill just cli- >a monster killed you
We have a few truncated statements on what happened. Surely shortened for comedic / humor value.
I don't think it was a 10 second exchange just having the DM frick the player in the ass.
We don't know what challenges the other players faced.
Fighter could have had weapons taken away, hands broken, etc.
Casters can't cast.
My best guess is;
DM created a dungeon or is using a premade dungeon. Doesn't want to spend a lot of extra time modifying for one players demands.
Player tries to defy existing rules and is stopped.
Did the player fail a perception check on detecting enemies or dangers? Did the player even check? For all we know the player could have been playing as moronicly as his character was.
Faces an already prepared challenge with handicaps he gave himself.
Complains about it and leaves because the results of his efforts didnt match his imagination.
The amount of times I've tried to pull moron shit and been met with absolute failure is incredible. But I try anyway.
>See a remmoraz >playing a grappler >decide to try to get it tied up in chains >burn myself to death launching the party on a multi session quest to revive me >worth it for the memes of everyone making fun of me for it
You're also mindreading if you think that the DM specifically prepped or sourced the dungeon beforehand. You have no way of knowing how much was planned and how flexible the DM reasonably could have been to work with the players so that everyone enjoyed their time together at the table.
I have been doing for 30+ years
I have never planned anything
Half the time I roll up to the table and just go
Exactly. Some people who run games do so more spontaneously and it makes for more flexible adventures if they are good at ad-libbing and keeping the pace. It's moronic and smells of either no actual tabletop experience or very limited tabletop experience if anon is just assuming that everything(or even most) was already planned out and set in stone for that dungeon. No wrong way to do it but it is wrong to assume there is one way and go forward with that assumption.
i always play magic users in RPGs given the chance and find anti-magic scenarios interesting personally but tastes vary. i'd be annoyed if it were the first ever adventure.
>gay in my D&D group demands to play as a fricking cripple
When this happens, I just make a wonderer healer to fix them just outside the first dungeon. For free. The wonderer healer is never seen or hear from again.
Sorry chud but the new rules added a wheelchair that is turbo overturned to the point that it's a good idea to become a cripple willingly just to use it
I remember a short news story I once read in the middle of the GWOT about how the Army and marines were ending the test program to put soldiers and jarheads on skateboards in combat and I just couldn't fathom how this got to the point where they'd test anything considering that you can't send in guys to the battlefield beforehand to sweep away all the pebbles and twigs and shit that'll frick you up. I understand that pentagon cols and lt. cols want OER bullet points but come the frick on.
>four automatic guns which are either sentient or just firing blindly constantly, back ones mounted on swivels, front ones shooting at knees. Player is incapable of reloading or clearing a jam, no aiming mechanism in sight >some side mounted blades to make every doorway an impossibility, set at shin height for maximum sales of more chairs. >two front spikes that either barely extend past the footrest or not at all, perspective is hard, ankle height. >single squad barrelled shotgun, player is firing all of which at once onehanded, because why have two functional limbs when you could have one >front trolley wheels can't even turn, so player has to pop a wheelie to change facing
Assuming this shit has a magic motor because if this is wheeled by hand it's even more of a frick up.
Give it threads like a tank and actual armor protecting their limp legs and it actually looks cool.
I'm 99% sure no one would give a shit (not even Ganker) about disabled characters if they actually fit with their setting, like that girl from Fear and Hunger 2
i like the breasts but the body+head are exposed and the weapons are small caliber
why not armor her and give her an mg, rpg and flamer with fuel tanks stored in the tank chassis?
>I want to be disabled
Ok that might give interesting interactions >But I don't want it to disadvantage my character
Alright, kinda ruins the point but I guess it would make for a backstory, you could have a magical spell or apparatus operate your legs >no I need to be in a wheelchair
Ok I guess we could hook up some fantasy version of- >it needs to recognisably look like a modern wheelchair
>but i don't want it to disadvantage my character
That's the exact point where most of this crowd loses me, being disabled doesn't make you useless irl, but it does make most things HARDER, and that's something that can be explored in games to not only create interesting gameplay, but also bring some fricking empathy to the general public about what disabled people deal with on a daily basis.
Something like this?
Threads are cool, but her body being completely nude and projected forwards is stupid, good art though.
Fricking stupid. If they're in a fantasy world, I'm sure the writers can come up with ways to fix someones legs so they can go to places that don't have wheelchair ramps installed.
Those fricking morrowind dwarven spider-mech-chairs make much more sense.
99% of the time combat wheelchair designs are moronic because the setting allows for tech that is way better than a fricking wheelchair
any character that settles for a chair when they could have a mech suit is a poseur
I think they're fine. Like, they're stupid and pandering, but do I really need to get angry about it? I know a guy who lose his arm at the elbow who really likes Jaime Lannister. On top of being a good character, my friend connected to him because he too had to learn how to use his non-dominant hand for things, and didn't magically overcome his problems. I figure the same is true for people in wheelchairs. I say let em be happy.
Why do people think this? Maybe if it's someone that became disabled, but why do people think that disabled people wouldn't want to play as literally all they have ever known?
I suppose you'd be surprised that the majority of people choose to play as generic humans that look like themselves rather than fantastical flying races and stuff.
moronic if they actually need the chair and/or the chair is nothing more than the thing helping them move around.
Awesome if the battle wheelchair is effectively a combat mech with weapons and features installed, and the character can walk normally otherwise.
Why is it moronic if they need the wheelchair. I think that a better wheelchair should be interesting not just a literal wheelchair but it defeats the purpose of a wheelchair if they can just walk around.
As with all things, I take it in the spirit it was given. Trying to make something cool, or give something cool to an already cripple character in a cool way that works in the setting? It's cool. Trying to virtue signal, make cripples feel represented or otherwise smells of gay danger hair shit? In the trash it goes.
I think it's dumb, but only because wheelchairs look really bad. A disabled character that can't move around on their own is fine but the vehicle has to look good and better than a wheelchair
It's been done before.
Just off the cuff:
Munch from Munch's Oddysee
Bentley from Sly Cooper
If you're thinking it's new and original, and somehow gotcha that it's never been done before, it proves you didn't even try and look it up.
>magic exists >settle on being wheelchair bound for life instead of shapeshifting or growing limbs or having familiars move your legs or drinking walk again potion
moronic logic breaks worldbuilding >scifi setting >settle on being wheelchair bound for life instead of getting a mech, exosuit/skeleton, jetpack, jump pack, regrowing limb tech, neural implants, limb implants
its literally too moronic of a concept to make it work. >real life setting >be wheelchair bound for life, no way to cure it exists >... >no game
except the beginning of that wolfenstein game, and only the beginning, and you know exactly why. Because it would be just boring annoying tedious shit and thats not what video games are about
I'd just assume that it was some magic curse or something like 90% of player backstory contrivances. I had an aarakocra whose wings were burned away by a curse that a minion of ogremoch cast and he was questing to get them back. That was a means to an end because I felt like playing an aarakocra but the DM didnt want flying, so we worked something out.
There are spells in DnD that would just straight up cause what you consider logic-breaking, being crippled in itself doesn't break anything and can enhance storytelling if you have some force or entity cause it directly or indirectly. Just a matter of working together so everyone can have fun.
IT'S JUST A TINY CAR AT THIS POINT
WHY NOT MAKE IT A COOL DESIGN INSTEAD OF A FRICKING WHEELCHAIR
IT COULD BE A JETPACK OR AN EXOSKELETON
NOBODY SEES A FRICKING WHEELCHAIR AND GOES "WOAH COOL"
FRICKING NOBODY
EVERYBODY LAUGHS AT THIS SHIT
Fear and Hunger 2 did it best. Mostly a hindrance, with certain niche benefits. But it was fine because it was bound to a single character, and was literally a wheelchair, not some stupid 'battle wheelchair' that tries to overplay the thing as so powerful and non-hindering that the whole thing becomes patronizing.
Deciding to become a woman in a world with magic isn't that bad. But if they don't just use a magic potion to do it and become an actual woman (woman), then it's moronic.
In this particular case you have there, it works. The flavor text and context tell that she's the boss of a group of saboteurs, pretty much demolition and sabotage experts of Noxus, which might explain her being crippled, some explosive related accident.. Noxus is a place with magic, but it isn't available for everybody and, in fact, it's hoarded by aristocrats, soldiers, etc. She's wheelchair bound most likely because she is not considered a big enough asset to warrant a more expensive or definitive option, if they have it even available, since Noxus is notoriously inconsistent with its resources.
Also, it seems to be this particular scene takes place in a situation where she's forced to fight, so she just put as many guns as she could on her wheelchair rather than her being an active fighter.
This is one of the few situations where it's fine.
What the frick are you talking about? It makes complete sense, specially with the current characterization of Noxus using any resource available. Having a woman in a wheelchair shooting guns is too much of a stretch for an empire that reanimates corpses just to use them again as suicide bombers?
It completely fits Noxus' ideal of fighting at any cost.
This one makes sense. You might not like it, but it has enough explanation and background to fit.
You could certainly have a disabled character who uses a tooled up means of transport without it being moronic
You could even have a character forced to modify a wheelchair on short notice and not be moronic
That design is still moronic.
It was mostly the fact that every weapon apart from the back spindle guns are at ankle height and impede the normal function of the chair, edginess can be excused as per the setting.
literally anything would be cooler than being forced to sit in a chair and move yourself.
its a world of fantasy and the best thing the player could come up with was a chair with wheels.
>carried by familiars >hovering and carried by imps >walks on hands instead >mech spider carries you >charisma chad carried around by adoring harem >require regular injections of walk juice >spiderman around using grappling hooks
Why not take all these silly, over the top battle wheelchair designs, and instead of awkwardly trying to pass them off in RPGs in a 'WE'RE JUST AS CAPABLE AS YOU' cringe way... make a weird, destruction derby wheelchair basketball game where the players slam into eachother like they're in extreme bumper cars?
>one of the unlockable players is 'special snowflake' >angry mountaineer whose legs were eaten by a yeti >tracked down the yeti and killed them, juryrigged the Yeti's bones to make an ice-themed enchanted bone wheelchair >freezes opponents solid and leaves icy trails behind them on the court that causes slips >screams Arnold Freeze tier ice puns all game >"THE GAME MUST SNOW ON"
>Cripple in sci Fi universe >Choosing "battle wheelchair" over just getting bionics or piloting a mech >Cripple in fantasy universe >Not just learning magic to get around like levitating or teleporting or riding a mount
It's just the laziest kind of self inserting possible, if I was a cripple I could make up so many more interesting scenarios than just "yeah I'm in a wheelchair but with guns"
the crippled savant/idiot strongman pairing is also underrated (i was actually thinking Bran and Hodor when i wrote this but this keeps it vidya related. although i'm not actually sure if the alchemist is a cripple)
>get your arm cut off by an ork >replace it with their power klaw >get your legs blown off by a necron >replace it with their destroyer platform
We need a veteran who's body is 99% trophies from xenos who dismembered them (and 100% admech approved somehow)
Nah, he's talking about Ravenor, Eisenhorn's protogé, who got blown to bits in a heretic terrorist attack. Essentially just a mangled chest and head sealed in a floating plasteel orb.
Battle wheelchairs are a fundamentally moronic concept. It would be cooler and unironically more believable to have a crippled character fight in a normal wheel chair.
moronic. If its even just as good as a regular non battle wheelchaired character, then every character should use one, since there should not really be any downside. Its just virtue signallers trying to virtue signal to the detriment of any logical consistency in a setting.
People creating these kinds of characters to "Represent" disabilities dont represent the disability at all.
How the frick is it representation of being wheelchair bound when the wheelchairs have better mobility than someone on two feet?
Its like making a black character to preach to american audiences about how "in touch with the african american struggle we, the kindhearted devs, are"
And then said black character gets treated exactly the same as all the other characters and his race is never brought up and he may as well have been white.
Regular people do make escapist fantasies where they are faced with some novel challenge and learn to play around it and step(lmao) into someone else's shoes. This is just a more moronic version of playing a character who's missing an arm or has a perpetual geas that prevents him from communicating with the clergy of a particular deity or he takes massive damage.
People who take it seriously for muh representation are dumb but I'd enjoy the opportunity to be forced into some wheelchair-like situation in a place with myriad steps and staircases. Having to convince a stranger to carry you to the top of a large staircase would be an interesting encounter.
moronic in all circumstances and every attempt to make the idea 'cool' has entirely failed. A contributing reason is that same uncomfortable feeling you get ehen you see women on social media saying a morbidly obese woman is beautiful, even though theyd scream at you if you agreed and said they look like said woman. Theyre just pretending handicapped people arent handicapped. Professor X had a wheelchair and was fine but it was unmistakable that being crippled was a detriment to him, and people treated him as if he were crippled.
Put simply, by attempting to look for ways to make a combat wheelchair cool (you want to pander) you will never be able to write a character whos a cripple people who are crippled can actually relate to without wincing as they know what youre doing. Youll also never succeed.
>The fixed epithet for Hephaestus, used from the eighth century B.C. by Homer, Hesiod, and other ancient authors until the fifth century A.D., is "Amphiguéeis," i.e., with both feet crooked. He is also called "Kullopodíou," i.e., clubfooted.
lol
I think there's an episode in ATLA where they visit the temple of the airbenders only to find out that a bunch of normies moved in, one of them being a dude in a wheelchair. They spend the entire episode trying to make him look cool (and to show he's doing the best he can in his situation) but at the end of the day he was still a dude trapped in a box with wheels while others were shooting fire out of their buttholes.
i recently rewatched the show and i didn't think the character was bad or annoying or anything. it wasn't like the OP pic where his wheelchair was his superpower, all the other kids could use the airbending staves to fly as well, it was just more notable with him because of his disability. i thought it added to his character and his relationship with his father who was an engineer so obviously his dad made the wheelchair for him. it wasn't weirdo pandering stuff from white liberals that want to look as woke as possible.
Oh I agree, it's sweet and all and shows that being a bender isn't everything. Hell, even in Korra they showed that technology is able to go hand-to-hand with "magic".
The dude just wasn't a main character.
i recently rewatched the show and i didn't think the character was bad or annoying or anything. it wasn't like the OP pic where his wheelchair was his superpower, all the other kids could use the airbending staves to fly as well, it was just more notable with him because of his disability. i thought it added to his character and his relationship with his father who was an engineer so obviously his dad made the wheelchair for him. it wasn't weirdo pandering stuff from white liberals that want to look as woke as possible.
The abandoned pilot for a western sailor moon that was lost media until someone dug it out of the library of congress in 2023 (not making this up) had Sailor Mercury in a wheelchair. And when she powered up it turned into a magic FLYING wheelchair.
Look it up, it's as hilariously dumb as it sounds.
NTA but what the hell do you mean 'not associated'? Dude just straight up is a disfigured, wheelchair bound, burn scarred, one armed freak. He IS disabled.
It's like saying nobody ever associated Simba with being a fricking lion.
I always thought it more of him being just old and feeble. The fascist dystopia being led by old and bitter men obsessed with strength and punctuality they themselves lack.
i somewhat disagree, i don't think anyone associated disability with him or being evil, but his being crippled is 100% integral to his character. but his morality and choices were his own.
"Battle Wheelchairs" are moronic because they're in no way practical and have to have about a million things added onto them for them to make any sense. Yeah, laser guns and mecha are not real, but they're also cool and generally a lot of work is put into make them feel like part of a universe. If the technology was available to make "Battle wheelchairs" then the person in one should instead just have an exoskeleton type suit that does the same thing but actually makes sense in a combat scenario.
The reason people hate this shit so much is because in D&D it is like "Okay it can float up stairs, you can't be knocked out of it, only you can move if you want it to, it can float on water, it gives armor, it has infinite storage, it does X, Y, Z, A, B, C, D, and E!" and it feels like a self insert power fantasy for the 10 Little Timmys in wheelchairs that play D&D. Why not just give them some kind of magical boots or leg guards or pants that let them walk around? I mean I feel like a warrior who had his legs fricked up but then had his leg armor enchanted to be able to move him around could be a cool design that could have legitimate upsides and downsides, but instead it is just like "Yeah, the guy in a wheelchair needs to be objectively stronger than anyone else because... something something diversity and inclusion"
A character in a wheelchair in combat/adventure situation is perfectly fine, even good, but you gotta take the disability into account when considering motivations and story.
Say, you have dungeon delving stuff, say you have a disabled language specialist that has to come with the rest of the team to a vertical death-trap that is super fricking hard to navigate even for able-bodied people. It would be actually kinda interesting setup for mission structure and mechanics to find routes for the wheelchair guy. That would actually be pretty nice.
Alternatively, it's not that I even care if some crippled person wants to do a power fantasy of being able to jump and climb over rubble at high speeds. Don't see why I should be upset if they want to do that in their own scenarios, but if it's a prescribed scenario with an npc in a wheelchair that is also kitted to be a perfect ninja without any proper consideration to how he does that in a wheelchair, that just would be lazy and unimmersive.
I dislike battle Wheelxhairs because they're anti-RP in RPGs.
A party with rogues approaches tasks in a different way than one with mages, or one with warriors. Each of those adds a different thing others do not which leads to role play. There's roles and there's interplay for players to engage with.
The Wheelxhair exists and was created for a single purpose to be a perfect tool to replicate a normal person walking. And it does so in a way that can be a heavy-handed way that's best described as "it just does, alright?"
Rough terrain? "it just does, alright?"
Narrow passages? "it just does, alright?"
Ladders? "it just does, alright?"
A giant just kicked a door into smithereens and struck it? "it just doesn't, alright?"
Not with owner? "it just does, alright?"
The only real option for players is to ask whether a healthy person can use it, and if not, delinerately hit your own leg for a crippling wound.
That said, some characters fit the disability-chaired design, like von bolt from AW.
Repasting from the previous thread.
Why refute? If a person in high magic setting full of good gods of healing, neutral druidic gods of healing and, in some cases, evil murdeefricking gods of evil healing with consequences at the expence of the suffering of healed person and various other sacrifices is in a wheelchair, it only can mean, that this person is so fricked up, evil and dangerous, that all gods and their clerics refuse to heal him and that summoning Tarrasque to deal with this fricker would be not only fully justified, but should be supported by all measures from calling illitids to dealing with yugolots and other various horrors.
Why not give it tank tracks or have it hover like Professor X instead of it literally being a wheelchair?
Even a set of legs like Urgot would have been cooler
Looks moronic. Also why would somebody in a wheelchair want to roleplay as somebody in a wheelchair? >Oh boy! Now my legs can not work in real life AND in this magical fantasy realm!
Crippled characters are fine but combat wheelchairs are stupid.
You know what gets dicked over by sticks? Or rocks? Or loose soil? Or a steep-ish incline?
Bigass, thin street wheels do, homie. The least you can do is have an inventive suspension system, or all terrain tires, or fricking mechanical legs. Go talk to Rumble or Urgot who have already figured all that shit out. Rumble would be absolutely jazzed to show his work off. Anything but a modern push chair with knives stapled to it like you just got entered into the Robot Wars rookie leagues and are about to get your shit slapped by a spinner bot who's owner knew what they were doing.
>You know what gets dicked over by sticks? Or rocks? Or loose soil? Or a steep-ish incline? >Bigass, thin street wheels do, homie. The least you can do is have an inventive suspension system, or all terrain tires, or fricking mechanical legs.
yeah but they don't want to play a character in a wheelchair because of the roleplaying/character opportunities it provides, they want to play a character in a wheelchair so they can brag about being progressive
There's no reason to bring the chair along in this scenario, using what's left of your legs to steady yourself against the tower as you pull yourself up, then scurrying around like that with your high dex score is way stealthier than trying to scrape metal banded wood over a balcony
ive seen posts from Black folk in actual wheelchairs and they dont like it
because they always self insert as someone with functioning legs shocking i know
no its just homosexuals trying to get brownie points from people who dont even play their game
i wouldnt want the constant reminder that i'll never walk again in my escapist hobby. thats how you know the homosexuals pushing for this shit arent even gamers. Non gaming related sidenote: Nighmare on Elm Street 3 had a great wheelchair bound character. He learned to master his dreams because that was the only way he could escape his life as a cripple and he almost soloed Freddy with his wizard powers. Obviously got ganked in the end, but he went out like a boss. Easily the best character in the entire franchise.
There's a character in this Gundam show called Build Divers who is completely pitch-black blind and is only capable of seeing within the VRMMO they play, and I felt more for that guy than I did any "Le capable" wheel chair guy.
I have successfully spent at least one morons time
Stay mad, concession accepted
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If it's clear that you're not wanted then it would be moronic to stay, but that only further reinforces my point that this guy would not get rez'd and this is not anything like the other situation described by the diaper-shitting DM whose players clearly had enough experience and planning that his wizard's death would end up being a secret rez by his buds.
He was right to leave if he wasn't wanted but it was still being a shitty DM not just talking things out and railroading him to a game death instead.
Responding to one person for an hour while DMing a game with friends in the background
It's only cool of they're telepaths and psychics like Charles Xavier. Otherwise it's super lame.
Like, the idea is you're meant to compensate their loss in a massive boost in the opposite end.
Blind monks are cool because they gain hypersensitive spacial awareness through hearing, touch, and smell.
It's the same with characters that have disabled bodies. You pull a Stephen Hawking, if the body is disabled, then you make their mind hyper powerful. Not just extremely intelligent, but you give them addition psychic and magical abilities. JJK did this too with Mechamaru, and it's super cool.
If you're gonna give a disabled character a wheelchair to make them as martially capable as an athlete, that's just flat out moronic.
The issue is they don't use the spy the rules of the world to their idea. This is a world of magic, you should use magical means. Greater restoration is a 5th level spell and can cure your disabilities. Artificers can craft magical prosthesis. You wanna start disabled? Sure but know that it's a curable ailment in this world and you hold yourself back for choosing to stay disabled
I would be 100% on board with cripple in exoskeleton, like The Surge did
Or even mechs, wheelchairs are so fricking lame man
gay
Fpbp. Its fiction after all. If exoskeletons were much cheaper and more advanced irl. Most disabled would ditch the wheel chair.
Even metal gear solid 5 made the scientist have a metal exoskeleton that also converted as a chair and that game is set in the past.
Then he got put in the cringe boat
he's also one of the most contentious and memorable characters from that era. SJW writers handling Huey would have made him boring and into some unquestionable good guy because of his disability rather than playing with his complex over it which is one of the things that makes him interesting as a character
I mainly remember him for the "it should be you on this cake snake" image.
>you're a liberal cuck
>I'm based & redpilled
He is a fairly well written character. He is a huge piece of shit but he has flaws that explain his actions even if you cannot justify them. You are meant to hate him and when you see him being put in the boat you either feel pity for this little manipulative frick or you want Venom snake to strangle him in front of the troops.
I love mgs5 even if the game shat itself at the end and is unfinished. The time you have to execute your crew because they are infected will stay with me for a long time.
it's ambiguous enough that i've seen it argued he truly was innocent in everything and he's just a fricking moron that Skull Face and Kaz used as a patsy. it's one thing i like about MGSV, most interpretations like that can be supported.
It's weird they broke his robot legchair and put him in the boat still wearing it instead of just taking it off.
>The Surge
Kinda awesome that Warren made an appearance in 2, which means he wheeled himself out
This, and the cool thing is that this kind of tech isn't even too far in the realm of science fiction. We already have people with realistic, working Bionicle legs. If the game is set in fantasy, then just have them use some magic or something to float around.
The problem is that that isn't ""including"" the wheel-chair-morons and that is the only purpose for this shit.
it's fricking dumb, not one with an uncurable issue want representation for it
idk there are some good doujins about blind girls
yeah I'm sure blind women feel super represented when they read them
you just reminded me about the music game for deaf people kek
maybe they can get their older brothers to read it to them for the fully immersive experience
There are some segments of disabled people who make it their whole personality and reject any effort to "fix" them. They're basically troons, but crippled.
>but crippled
>but
They're cool
Also people fine with blind and deaf monks, samurai, warrior but not wheelchair? Duality!
>roll blind monk
>get one of those sticks with a ball on the end that gives 600ft true sight, advantage on perception checks, unlimited detective magic and counts as a holy avenger for no reason, for free. It also teleports to your hand when you want it to.
Because blind warriors are badass.
Wheelchair "warriors" are not.
You have no womb.
Frick you.
Professor X is based, and he was always better chairbound.
Charles isn't really a warrior though, he's more of a leader/intellectual? i think most of the issues with wheelchair characters in the modern age is people wanting to put so much focus on it but the second it comes to limitations they don't exist and the character is a wheelchair ninja which is moronic. Charles could frick you up with his mental powers but take those away and he's just a crippled man.
>with his mental powers but take those away
Well, old X-Men cartoon had shown in the Savage Land, that removing powers restores Xavier's legs' functionality. To the point he can act like a soldier again.
yeah i remember in the movies too they did something with that where he took some drug that allowed him to walk but it suppressed his powers? so i'm not sure what the comic book lore is on that personally. but i was more speaking of a hypothetical where he lost his powers but still couldn't walk.
>watch any episode of the xmen
>30 seconds into a fight someone knocks the hover chair over and charles is ejected at the speed of sound.
The fantasy of the blind monk is like Daredevil, they're somehow more perceptive than someone with 20/20 vision because of all their other senses being heightened.
Someone rolling around in a wheel chair but still getting hard countered by a step is not cool or fun for anyone. Just like playing a blind monk that disabled your monitor so you literally couldnt see shit would also not be fun.
Why the frick would someone who cant walk and has to wheel themselves around all day also want to be constrained to that in a video game? Do you think paraplegics wouldn't want a badass exo skeleton or magical spell to move their legs instead?
The wheelchair represents their identity (homosexualry) and fetidh. No wheelchair means no homosexualry or fetish for them.
Look at Hades 2 instead of making Hephaestus a buff guy with prosthetics, he's a fatfrick on a wheelchair.
Hephaestus being in a wheelchair is a reference to a specific urn depiction of him. Also buff? The real complaint should be that he's not ugly and disfigured. For being such a shit series at least GOW3 got that right and made his face gruesome.
Hepheastus had club feet didnt he? I think thats why
His feet were fricked up so he couldnt walk too well which led to his legs being a bit fricked up
But dude should still be buff and shredded from the waist up given he's the good of metal working
Actually in lore hephastus just had a fricked up face from beatings
He had no trouble walking or doing anything else
He was just ugly
Zeus killed all physically maimed children he had
I thought there were vase paintings of him with backwards ass feet
But that was 6th centure and before, not after
We know what they say about guys with big feet. What does it mean if they're backwards feet?
WHERE IS THE WHEELCHAIR
Ya he made a chariot for his horse automation to take him around
The myth with it was "to emulate and surpass heliods chariot"
>that cheeky look on his face
What does he know?
He was building it to surpass heliopolis
So mostly that int beats cha
he knew about the cripple meta way in advance
see, that's better
why does this make me think more of segways than wheelchairs kek
No the paintings didn't have that detail
Only the later writings described him as "halting"
Mostly they described him as Disfigured man with a vigorous body, wearing a chiton and handling forge equipment
One could argue he was made portly to meet the image of the chubby village blacksmith. Think Griswold from Diablo or something. Kinda like how the stereotypical tavernkeeper is fat and jolly and redfaced.
But in Hades 2 it's so blatantly obvious Heph was designed by someone with a bara fetish.
It literally is starting to feel more like kink and fetish shit masquerading behind the guise of being "woke" and "representation" isnt it
Like I am running out of legitimate reasons to doubt that it isnt just the degen devs trying to shove their fetishes into the game and needed a good excuse to do so
it's not the wheelchair itself that's the fetish, the fetish is that they're imposing themselves on you and your culture and forcing you to play their game. it's a power thing. it's why so many sociopaths LOVE the pronoun stuff and will intentionally make it as confusing as possible so they have an excuse to go after you. it's a power flex.
That also makes sense and once again it all comes full circle back to "Everything is about power". Its all monkeys trying to impose their power on others to carve out just a slightly bigger social status claim
malignant narcists that make some physical aspect of themselves their entire personality because they aren't interesting people love this shit about "being seen". turns out there are plenty of boring c**ts like this that can't walk as well so they want their wheelchair to be their whole identity and their shield.
i started encountering this kind of thing years ago when i began noticing people referring to themselves as Disabled (yes, with a capital D, the way libshits will capitalize black when referring to nogs) which is probably the best argument i have ever seen for eugenics
>the best argument i have ever seen for eugenics
Interesting, why do you think you should be castrated anon?
Sora from Air Gear "fought" on a wheel chair but it remained badass so in part it's bad execution.
at least when Japan does it, it's probably because someone had a cool idea, it's not a bunch of fat liberals tweeting to each other about how they're gonna "own da chudzzz" by making a Daredevil reboot where Elektra is a fat black woman with crutches
Wheelchairs can look as cool as smoking, but only in manga.
Come on, sora actually used mechanical legs while sitting on that wheelchair.
If you want to make example with manga.
Use tank chair.
It's literally a murder autist with an ironman wheelchair.
Like, look at this autist.
Translation nevera
what if we put rocket boosters on it, and let it drift?
>blind monk = overcomes his issues with determination and honing his skills with other senses DESPITE being blind
>wheelchair dude = disabled American with guns
The problem isn’t the wheelchair, is that he cannot overcome that issue despite being in fiction. If he is just a shitty character that exists just to be a cripple then we have nothing to root for.
Even someone like Raubhan from FF14 fights without 1 arm and he is badass despite being a cripple.
Want a good example of wheelchair in fiction? Professor X. He’s a genius and keeps the mutants in check despite being a cripple.
Oh I like your FF14 example because some guy does get put in a wheelchair. He ends up doing fricking nothing.
Absolutely stupid, unless it's some sort of Professor X type character.
Very little reason for them to exist. If the character is irreversibly crippled despite the magic/technology of the setting and still wants to be a combatant, a wheelchair is a terrible choice of vehicle. The operator is left completely exposed in OPs image, it has low ground clearance, and no clear means of operation/locomotion. Give them a mech suit, tank or fighter jet.
literally just strap an invalid to a big menacing ogre's back and you have better traversal + an iconic duo
this and wheelchairs never ever have worlds that are built around them so it looks even more out of place hmmmmm lets say in fantasy where most roads are shit and there is plenty grasslands/forests
>literally just strap an invalid to a big menacing ogre's back and you have better traversal + an iconic duo
A gung-ho adventurous mage travelling on the back of a skittish orc sounds fun and would actually make for an interesting disabled character, not this bullshit
this guy gets an exception, otherwise it's dumb
Because for Bentley he had an entire character arc out of it. Also his wheelchair wasn't Uber-OP, it was still Bentley's character that was so great and special.
I don't know who started this dumb trend of shoving oddly-advanced-yet-still-straightforward wheelchairs (the absolute lamest way to overcome this disability in a fantasy setting) in their P&P sessions but it felt so sudden and forced. Can't help but feel like it was just an easy win for activists and it's a new thing to sell to D&Dtards. And now people get brownie points when someone inventively brings up how difficult it would be to actually fight in a wheelchair and they get to "clap back" with
>it's not a disability, it's a different ability
Why are people with down syndrome not represented in video games? I don't think I've seen any yet, aren't they a neglected minority?
nha it's (you), the player
again, it's already been done
THE MURRAY HATES Black folk
Stardew valley had an entire cast of Down syndrome characters
>Why are people with down syndrome not represented in video games?
Because they haven't made a game about you yet.
They are the wrong kind of minority, with the wrong kind of disability, in the leftists mind, those are just runaway abortions.
Downies don't use social media so lefties can't harvest updoots from them
>Why are people with down syndrome not represented in video games?
Bro, that's like every JRPG
what is up with that moronic ass handcannon design?
>take combat wheelchair bc I'm a power gamer
>wheelchair is indestructible and impervious to harm to prevent chuddettes from bullying me as I power game
>get out of wheelchair in the only doorway into the mcguffin
>planeswalk to hentailamd leaving the wheelchair blocking the only way to get the mcguffin
>blocks your path
You wish, those things have unlimited flight.
>gay in my D&D group demands to play as a fricking cripple
>Humor him
>You are in a dungeon, in order to proceed, you must complete your individual tasks which the ghost of the dungeon has given you. You each have to enter into a different area of the dungeon
>Weelchair gay rolls to his part of the dungeon
>There are stairs leading upwards, what do you do?
>I cast levitation
>Do I need to remind you that the dungeon is cursed and the curse causes all magic to not work
>Make him get out of his wheelchair and pathetically climb up the stairs
>A gargoyle comes to life and attacks you
>give him massive penalties for every one of his actions since he's flailing around on the ground like the spastic cripple that he is
>He gets mad and leaves
>Cries "I won't play with you anymore, you fricking butthole"
>Once he's gone, the remaining players all thank me
Good riddance.
The whole room clapped!
>make shit up
>its not even funny
Are you the GM that made a troony constantly roll Will saves to not kill himself?
holy shit lmao. im gonna need more info on this one anon
>gay want to play cripple
>"only at the condition you help me homebrew some GRUPS rules into DnD"
>never got bothered again
these people have no awareness.
>play dnd
>your character will face individual challenges
>character is expected to fail sometimes, preserve
>character placed in a trial
> "This is too hard and mean Mr DM. You are supposed to take it easier on me because I'm disabled :("
>intentionally punish someone for playing a character you told them they could play
>do it maliciously and not for character drama
>the immature person here was the player
Lmaoing at your life
While the story is bullshit, it could have been played just fine, if the player is wasting a spell on levitate to traverse normal obstacles, they're going to find themselves behind, which is an actual downside, hell you could put enough obstacles that he's out by the time he turns back and has to traverse them through mundane means.
DnD is collaborative story telling at its core.
Wheelie demanded the DM tell a story according to his wants.
The DM told his story, and the player didn't like it. Simple as.
>want to play a character with arachnophobia, for character flavor
>placed in a chamber filled with spiders
>fail to roll nat 20's to will save
>throw a hissy fit because "flavor" got in the way of my hero story
>NGMI
putting someone in an unwinnable situation is not good storytelling in an interactive medium
They put themselves there, they could have checked for gargoyles, cast detect monster, gone back to get help or anything other than flopping down onto the ground in a dungeon.
>they put themselves there
no, dm put them there
>checked for gargoyles
i guess?
>detect magic
no magic allowed
>gone back
individual tasks
falling to the lowest point=/=getting killed by a random monster
success isnt guaranteed but dms dont actively try to create scenarios that are unwinnable specifically for your character
>you need to come up with a plan quick.
such as? monster spawned on top of them, dm came up with 'massive penalties' and the player cannot cast magic
>*HE* chose to be a cripple, and this means that a lot of combat encounters are pretty much unwinnable in direct confrontation
the combat encounters that were created after player made the character and the player was ready to bypass movement issues via levitation anyway
>*HE* wanted to play a character who had to overcome great challenges, but when those great challenges arrived, he bailed
because the character was intentionally given unbeatable challenges
In a world where resurrection is a literal spell and not super rare thing (depending on dm), death is absolutely a low point. Could use that as a launching off point to embark on a quest to restore his legs, to exact vengeance on the big bad who did this to him, to make the world a better place for people who suffer like him, etc
yeah but the story would never be about how losing his legs was a bad thing because it's supposed to be a power fantasy thing, regardless of what the actual tone of the game is, they HAVE to be able to zoom around and do wheelchair ninja stuff or you're being ableist and discriminating against them!!!!
>you think you got the best of me with stairs?
>heh, nothing personal kid
>starts using the square room like a skateboard loop de loop
>gain enough speed to use the first step like a ramp
>use incredible speed to decapitate the gargoyle on the way up
meanwhile....
>warrior gets to swing his axe 3 times
>cleric gets to cast 2 spells
god I hate pick me power fantasy homosexuals
actually the idea of like some regular crippled guy that might be more bookish that ends up with a magic ninja wheelchair (that's possibly sentient?) would be really funny. all he wants to do his read his books and his wheelchair has the personality of Dante.
New character: warforged wheelchair
>good dms dont actively try to create scenarios that are unwinnable specifically for your character
fixed
Without knowing exactly how the scenario played out, all we can do is shit and piss.
If the DM did that just to frick with the player? Foul play. But I think a situation like that can be cool if it's supposed to play into character development, or if at least the party can help out.
RPG's do this constantly.
Hero's falling to their lowest point is central to almost every hero story.
What GOOD stories have heroes never failing, and always persevering.
EVEN Superman has horrific shit happening to him.
this is one of those cases where gameplay and narrative are at odds
I don't do tabletop but I don't think success is guaranteed every time
Only if you have to roll for it. That original post reads as failure guaranteed nearly every time because the guy running the game decided to put him in that situation.
>the player chose it all!
Not so fast, fartsniffer. The DM chose to put the player in an unwinnable encounter that the player would obviously not enjoy to get back at him for nagging him to play a wheelchair guy. As the DM, either have a pair of balls and outright deny him as the guy running the game or accept that one of the players is running a character who has XYZ capabilities, and if you don't put him in a situation that is interesting and engaging then you're a bad DM for willingly running a game with this factor and being unable or unwilling to think critically to come up with something interesting.
For the player's part, if there was another way offered and he did not think critically himself to approach the situation in a novel way that played to his strengths then he was being a bad player. The guy telling the story probably would have included that detail to further shit on the guy though, so it obviously did not happen.
Not that guy btw but your post was really fricking stupid so I'm shoving my dick into the reply chain.
>The DM chose to put the player in an unwinnable encounter
exactly. and what did he do? he didn't come up with any plan to outwit the GM. he failed at the challenge he set for himself at the very first encounter.
>bad DM for willingly running a game with this factor and being unable or unwilling to think critically to come up with something interesting
No, the GM plans a lot of his encounter and campaign beforehand. The group actually has the challenge to create a party that is able to take on the challenges. If *YOU*, the player, chooses to play a moronic cripple who painfully crawls up some dungeon stairs for a puzzle, then gets surprised by an encounter, then *YOU*, the player, have to come up with a plan to solve this challenge.
The encounter might be unwinnable by brute force, but in any RPG, there are always a million different ways to come by. If *YOU*, the cripple player, is unable to find a way, then I'm sorry but I have to tell you this: TTRPGs are not for you.
how are you supposed to 'outwit' the gm in a situation where you are forced to proceed alone but cannot cast spells and get massive penalties to all rolls
there's this secret technique called approaching the table without being a huge annoying homosexual
you outwit a GM by coming up with a plan that surprises him. have you ever played TTRPGs before?
>b-b-but what can I do???
you chose to play a cripple. it's up to you how you solve this puzzle.
>b-b-but I cannot w-win
not in direct combat, no. come up with a better plan or you are dead.
>b-b-but we are playing combat heavy RPG here an-
why the frick did you create a character that is unable to fight for a combat heavy RPG?
I wish to conclude: There is a reason why people like you are not playing TTRPGs, and I think you are close to realize what it is.
i dont think you have ever actually played a ttrpg
I play every weeks, for nearly 2 decades. I have played with people who create blind characters on a regular basis, or moronic shit like brawler pixies, and not a single one of them ever complained about encounters being "too hard" for their moron cripple characters. they always find a way and pull through.
go frick yourself, cripple moron. if coming up with other plans than "my moronic cripple character crawls around on the floor, then dies" is too hard for you, don't play. you are not appreciated.
>You are wrong
alright, lets see why
>Some DMs plan out every single detail meticulously and have a very finely-crafted sandbox that quickly falls apart when players do or try something that throws them for a loop.
no, you are wrong. "magic is not allowed in that part of the dungeon, and at the puzzle, there are stone gargoyles who come to life" is not some meticulously crafted detail to offend the moronic cripple player.
>the guy left because he wasn't enjoying himself anymore
good. if you don't enjoy yourself because you actually have to roleplay as the moron cripple that you created, then you shouldn't be part of the group in the first place. stay away, and never come back.
>no, you are wrong.
Anon your reading comprehension is not very good. I brought up the two examples of different DM styles to illustrate my point that it is incorrect to just assume that DMs in general and that anon in particular plan out much of their encounter and campaign before any one session. My talking about how some DMs meticulously craft sandboxes was not specifically in reference to the original example, but again to illustrate that just assuming prep work is wrong and outs you as someone who doesn't actually play or only assumes one way to run games is the "default" way.
If you actually played as often as you say then it would be obvious to you that making an assumption for how much original anon had planned would be stupid with the information given, so you're lying or moronic. Because you can't understand basic english, my current guess is the second one.
anon, your examples are detached from reality and fail to illustrate any point besides
>you see, I don't believe in planning encounters, and I ridicule anyone who does by claiming he plans every single detail out only to watch his constructions fall apart
I actually played more often than you are willing to believe, and planning simple shit like "no magic in this part, encounters of this kind at this part" is so far detached from actually planning every detail of a campaign, that it makes me wonder how you managed to solve any encounter without immediately crying and harassing the GM.
>a player loses 80% of their options
the player gave up 80% of his options at the start of the campaign, *and* when he decided to leave his wheelchair to cripple up a flight of stairs, and then he actually, unironically tried to fight a fricking gargoyle while flying on the floor like a moron
this player has done EVERYTHING wrong you can do wrong in this scene:
>enters an area that disabled your skills
>leaves the only thing that lets you move behind
>gets surprised by an encounter while being unable to move and unable to use his skills
>decides to fight it
I'm gonna repeat this for you: if you play TTRPGs like this and then complain about the GM being unfair to you, TTRPGs are not for you. I don't know what you expect or want out of a roleplaying game, but if just want to play a moron cripple who dies at his first encounter and then complain about it, in all seriously, frick off. nobody wants or needs you.
>the player gave up 80% of his options at the start of the campaign
how? the player literally tried to cover theirs weaknesses with specific spells that got disabled to prove some imaginary point
>decided to leave his wheelchair to cripple up a flight of stairs
because its literall ythe only way to progress
>unironically tried to fight a fricking gargoyle while flying on the floor like a moron
what was he supposed to do? try escaping a gargoyle that has 4x his speed?
the players most reasonable option was praying that the dm isnt a drooling moron that hates his players
being put in a situation that removes almost all of your options is actually special treatment
and making a campaign grounded and challenging by limiting your options and making encounters more rng dependent is the most moronic thing you can do
I don't know if you're just incredibly dishonest or you have dementia, because you talked about story-anon planning out his encounters and campaigns here
as a rebuttal to my point about him being a bad GM for knowing a player rolled a certain character and bring unable or unwilling to think critically to come up with an interesting challenge that actually plays off the character having XYZ abilities and limitations.
Your counter to that was that the GM plans out a lot of his encounter and campaign beforehand. So when I correctly respond that you don't know how much story-anon planned out his encounter, and you tell me that such things are trivial and don't need to be planned, I have to think either you have dementia or you think that I do.
Either the GM had to plan out his encounters and campaign so it's permissible that the situation that arose was uninteresting and unfun, or it is trivial to alter such things(which it is) and story-anon was just being a shitty GM to spite a player he didn't like. But if you're going to pretend that your own reasoning that the GM must plan out such encounters is now moronic when you see the logical conclusions, all I will say is concession accepted, I'm happy you reasoned yourself that your argument was moronic.
So you admit that it's fricking stupid to say "well I've seen all of these elements separately and you can make an interesting situation out of them individually, so of course the same will apply when all of these constraints are mashed together to the point of the player being unable to move or roll or defend himself while he's all alone."
Concession accepted here as well.
Have a nice day, moron.
Each scenario IS the mashed up scenario
The other players were doing other things and the player was alone
The player had no real strengths to use, and had major problems (which litterally killed the wizard in one of them)
And they had no way to make it better but to play through it, he'll or high water
You seem to not be able to read
no whenever the DM saw the guy was playing a wheelchair character he was supposed to drop any pretense of a hard adventure and instead make a fun padded bouncy castle for wheelchair guy to feel awesome in, anything less is being a shitty GM
>Each scenario IS the mashed up scenario
Clearly not to one individual character, which is what we were talking about in regards to story-anon's player, because different bad things with separate constraints were happening to different party members, and not all to one individual at the same time. Can you read your own posts, or keep your stories straight?
Ok
Please tell me what was missing from each
As, it seems that I can't read what I write
I will wait.
The fact that every single constraint was levied onto a single character simultaneously, which goes from being 3 interesting scenarios happening to a part of collaborating players who can play off each others strengths, to a painfully uninteresting scenario where every constraint is levied on a single character in an effort to just kill him. I said this like 3 times anon, you're blindingly stupid.
If you were a better GM than story-anon(I hope you are because that's a low bar) then I'd hope you gave wizard some opportunity to fish for an out or interact meaningfully with the barbarian to possibly eke out an advantage in the situation. Did your player do nothing to improve their situation at all? Because I have to assume your gladiator arena structure is more interesting than "this is a cave with one staircase and there's a gargoyle at the top" and there was something that could be leveraged with proper planning.
Ok
To spell it out each one was a different session
Each scenario was the Fricked character having to play fricked
5 players are doing things : last player is
In session 1 : the barb who has to navigate through nobles and not speak out and kill someone
Session 2: the wizard owes money and ends up having to fight in a coliseum under the coliseum rules and gets killed ; in the background the cleric role plays haggling for resurrection scrolls because we all saw it coming
Session 3 : a lich fricks the entire party over, splits them all up and forces them to deal with the worst scenarios for each
The players had to figure out how to play through these
Even if that meant dying
Okay so thanks the wizard scenario actually had a lot going on, with different options prior to and time to prep for such a thing, and the wizard had an actual out going into the whole thing of getting rez'd anway. So it's not like the story-anon example at all, why didn't you jsut say "I'm a massive moron" from the start so we could have an understanding?
Almost had a point until anon undermined you by revealing that there was a lot of context and buildup to the situation that involved a lot of player choice and agency, and the wizard went into the situation with a plan to get rez'd anyway. So it's not exactly the same as the wheelchair scenario with no buildup and a GM with a hate-boner for a player that he didn't like and no established outs or way for ressurection described.
How about you project your fingers into a woodchipper before you type another post that stupid?
THE CLERIC ROLEPLAYED WHILE THE WIZARD WAS FIGHTING
the wizard went into combat assuming he could get through it
He couldn't
You are just a massive moron aren't you?
>the wizard went into combat assuming he could get through it
>He couldn't
RE
TARD
It's almost like you can't read
Define background _ hint it's simultaneously
Guess which players saw it coming: not the wizard
you are LITERALLY moronic, huh?
it literally doesn't fricking matter if one player didn't see it coming if everyone else knew and prepared for the fight's outcome AT THE SAME TIME AS THE FIGHT WAS HAPPENING
it's not in ANY way comparable to a surprise dungeon designed to make you useless and die
have a nice day
It does when the one player was the one that got fricked
Kinda like how the wheelchair user got fricked
no, it does not because other players know what's going to happen and are effectively going to continue that plot point which results in different players playing different roles in the same scenario
on top of that your wizard was actually aware of what can happen lol
how is that in any way similiar to a disjointed surprise murder where other players are performing tasks completely unrelated to your death?
*yawns*
Oh man like all the other players did in the wheelchair scenario?
Where they did the trials and completed the Dungeon
Almost like if the wheelchair man stayed he might have had a way to be brought back or something but this was just a setback?
But no he birthed and moaned and left
trails that were completely unrelated to his death but its not like they couldve done anything anyway lol
why would you keep playing with a malicious dm
Because I can play games and have fun?
The dm wasn't the problem hear, it was the player
well the problem is that he couldnt play games because the dm prevented him from doing anything LOL
Huh, that's not how it seemed
It seemed that the dm gave him a challenge
And he decided to leave when he failed
Only person stopping him was himself
the challenge in question boiled down to rolling 14 nat20s in a row and hoping that the gargoyle rolls below 9 on 20 of their 28 rolls
Dig deeper, it's really helping you get people on your side
O wait
Friend, I say this in the most respect.
You have no idea what you are saying and are just doubling down. Just stop
We only heard about wheelchair man's trial
We have no idea if this was a surprise dungeon or what anyone else was doing
No thanks
I like dunking on morons like you too much
Jesus the amount of cope is heavenly
Just admit you fricked up and move on everyone disagrees with
It's so funny to see how much moronation you bring
Just move on, no one agrees with you
It's funny how illiterate you are
Holy shit the cope on this moron
Go jerk off somewhere else, hughschool dropout
Keep crying, taint-lickers. Seeing your malding brings me joy
Yeah that's not anything like the situation described by story-anon. It sounds like you let players interact meaningfully and ultimately have agency and outs in an otherwise tough situation. You also respected the players enough to make such interesting decisions that amounted to more than "you have to go to the anti-magic staircase and climb, now there's a gargoyle you have penalties lol."
If you can't see the difference between your situation and the story in the thread then you're even dumber than you type. And you type like some who is not very smart.
Look at this person cry out
How fricking stupid are you
Single digit or double digit iq?
Confirmed angry taint-licker. Are you mad I outed you for where you place your fetid tongue?
>yeah he was gonna get rez'd for sure! They totally were gonna bring him back
Where did you read that? From anon's telling of the story, he said everyone was happy and thanking him and offering him blowjobs for making the player quit. Lying b***h.
Single digit then
Stay mad, concession accepted
The only other person in this thread with a fricking brain, and they rage against you as well.
Where are you reading here
that the players were gonna bring back the wheelchair wizard, when by anon's recounting they were all bowing in respect when he ran off the player? I demand an apology for your stupidity.
If it's clear that you're not wanted then it would be moronic to stay, but that only further reinforces my point that this guy would not get rez'd and this is not anything like the other situation described by the diaper-shitting DM whose players clearly had enough experience and planning that his wizard's death would end up being a secret rez by his buds.
He was right to leave if he wasn't wanted but it was still being a shitty DM not just talking things out and railroading him to a game death instead.
Same place you read about the other trials and players
I mean if a player dropped after getting fricked up once, I wouldn't want him back
And if he was making characters and b***hing about it, I would probably buy the FM a drink for knocking him down a peg
Jesue you can't read at all and just vomit shit you made up in your head all day don't you
Get out before your bull finds out you were online again
As the second person you responded to
I was just pointing out that the scenario The person you keep trying to say is stupid and can't read IS the exact same as the given scenario for the wheelchair
This was to imply that you appear to have problems reading and are possibly projecting
Huh
A wizard that moves half speed from armour penalties, can't use magic, is not proficient in gladiator weapons and gets killed
Seems like this is exactly what happened to wheelchair man
yes yes youre a hardcore epic veteran dm and fail to see whats wrong with a situation where a player loses 80% of their options and the remaining 20% are nearly useless and require a lot of consistently high rolls to not die
thats cool but you cannot really do shit to a gargoyle in a nonmagic dungeon without having magic weapons on you (which a caster most likely doesnt have if its a very early (like lvl3) dungeon
your other theoretical sources of dmg are some no damage dogshit like alchemists fire
so the players only real option was running away after seeing a statue with the assumption that its a gargoyle (in a no-magic dungeon)
So.. a normal game?
Most games I run players are really hampered and halve to use one or two things to full advantage to win
yes, a caster who cannot cast and has penalties to everything they do has their options 'halved'
So a normal game?
funny
I am seriously asking.
That seems pretty normal to me
30 years of running games and most of the time it's fun shit like making sure the face of the party is distracted while the ugly barbarian has to roll play through a nobles party
Or
A mage has to sub in for a gladiator friend that he owes money to, and magic isn't allowed
Or
The lich is competent
Not him but none of those are really applicable to the original post because those are interesting situations with many options for collaboration between players and fun interactions.
I remind you that the original post's situation was
>you must go do this alone
>and also you cannot cast spells as a wizard because all magic is disabled everywhere here
>and you must leave your only means of transportation behind at the bottom of a flight of stairs
>and you will be attacked by a gargoyle when you have no means of defending yourself
>and I will give you massive penalties for "every one of your actions"
In your 30 years of running have you heard of the term "railroading?" Because that's pretty clearly what that was, to the point of putting each individual player on their own railroad so nobody can help each other out and interact. You'll deny this because you're invested in winning the argument but deep down you know that it was the anon being a shitty DM.
no troony, it was the homosexual being a shitty player
It can be both, and probably was. I won't run interference for the player being a snowflake homosexual but I won't defend anon being a shit gm either.
>If they were just targeting the wizard in a wheelchair by giving him the task of an antimagic staircase
>if
Hey, "solve the puzzle/fight by swapping tasks/opponents with another guy to cover for each others weaknesses" is a standard theme, I was trying to give a tiny bit of undeserved credit.
Assuming the four tasks weren't identical staircases made of anti magic, he could have swapped with one of the other party members. If they were then yeah that's clearly just targeting the player. That said, it didn't happen.
the point is he threw a tanty and ran off as soon as he saw that the game wasn't going to turn into his SJW cripple power fantasy like he wanted, he made zero effort to actually engage in the game, his entire interest was showing off how inclusive and progressive he is for playing a cripple
trying too hard
i accept your concession troony, go run back to /tttt/ and cry to your xisters about how the hecking chuds are so mean to you
But he clearly made an effort to engage, by making his character a mage and preparing levitate to get through situations when he had to do without, instead of expecting the chair to do that part for him.
when faced with an obstacle he immediately wants to magic it and handwave away the disability he was so intent on playing instead of doing anything interesting with it, he was just there to virtue signal lmao
That's not handwaving apart from in the literal casting magic sense, is a rope handwaving the problem away when facing a long drop? Is a bluff check handwaving when trying to enter a party without an invitation?
>the gargoyle is standing over your crippled body what do you do
>I roll to seduce
problem solved
>the gargoyle is a bottom, you can't get an erection due to your paralysis
The game was as rigged from the start.
I treat him like he is even more worthless then me
"At least I can feel through my flesh, you will be forever denied that with your smooth marble skin"
>pulls out scroll of stone to flesh
Gargoyle is forever immune to twink death, and disregards your slight.
Not sure what that means?
But we have established that he can be seduced and that he is a bottom right?
>"At least I can feel through my flesh, you will be forever denied that with your smooth marble skin"
How do you respond without sounding mad?
>only above the waist, cripple
He didn't leave until after climbing the staircase without his wheelchair the DM threw an unwinnable encounter at him to kill him. If you have ever been at a session like this and it's clear the DM just hates you and is trying to kill you, it's not worth your time staying there because you're not going to have fun at that point.
I see you did not do all of these at once because it would be an uninteresting situation at that point due to lack of fun and engaging options, because every one of your solutions hinges on something that you couldn't do in anon's story. I don't know how you couldn't put this together yourself. You're doing the equivalent of
>He asked him to light a fire underwater? Come on anon, I've put players in situations where they had to light a fire, AND in situations where they were underwater. Not railroading!
If it was actually an option then sure and I won't say for sure that someone dumb enough to cripple their character wasn't also dumb enough not to take that option if it was available. But something tells me that the DM really wanted the player to find that antimagic staircase.
You say I didn't do all of them at once
Sure
But that's because I had 6 players, 3 doing 1 thing 2 doing another, the barb being the terrible face that gets the party into trouble
The cleric having to go haggle for scrolls of revive while we played out the wizard being murdered in a coliseum
The lich splitting the party up In a.mssive Dungeon designed to frick each character over
And all of mine were
You must do this alone (either because no one was nearby or because they weren't allowed or lich)
No spells or backup (barb and spells hah)
And worst pairing (nobles + int 8 barb, wizard in a gladiator tournament, competent lich)
Yes I have heard of railroading
You may have seen me describe "distracting the face"
"Owing money"
"Lich"
how is any of that comparable to the caster being put in a scenario where to avoid death they have to roll 2dmg quarterstaff/dagger/whatever attack (with disadvantage if they arent on the wheelchair) against a tanky monster that outruns them (and hits them with advantage if they arent on the wheelchair)
Gladiator wizard with no spells and in gladiator armor he isn't proficient in
It was litterally one of the scenarios
Only more deadly as it wasn't 1v1 but brawls
that'd be a pretty cool point for character development, if he got out of it
>I once got stuck in a situation where I couldn't use magic
>since then I've been lifting, just in case
Stage 5: Accepting your death.
literally its all in the preparation stage. If you spend days pouring over source books you can cook up insane utility and damage.
>last campaign I was in
>we played from level 5 to 20
>actually played weekly for like 8 years
>I play a barbarian pit fighter who was a potion addict. Living on the streets, fighting in the arena to earn enough to get fricked up on potions
>find god, redeem myself, become a paladin while staying clean off potions. Barbarian grappler specialty, who cross classed to paladin.
>be fairly weak powerwise
>other friend in party
>spent weeks researching and building
>makes a ranger / alchemist / magical archer
>has hordes of potions, magical inks to draw any utility item he wants and have it manifest, tons of enchantments he can whip up for arrows
>all the good tabletop utility skills maxxed
>gear perfectly selected for optimal skill gain and damage
>creates spreadsheets for what to roll for all combinations of alchemical buffs, potions, buffs, enchantments
>When I cant grapple, I swing a greatsword
>"okay, I hit him for 80 damage"
>friend rolls
>okay, I have bomb arrows, these alchemical enchantments, this buff, and i hit for.... 285 damage"
>oh we are facing a challenge we arent prepared for
>friend "okay, I draw enough rope and lumber to create a bridge"
His character moves the story forward the best but is boring af
>No, the GM plans a lot of his encounter and campaign beforehand.
You are wrong and do not play tabletop if you just assume this. That is not necessarily true in regards to this encounter, or even in regards to most of anon's campaign. The level of prep for any one part or larger brush stroke of a region or section of his game is not guaranteed and will depend on his style and honestly, the amount of time he had before that particular session. The guy didn't even mention that it was a campaign, just that this was his DnD group, so this all could just be a one-shot and not tied to larger events or places in his setting where consistency matters more.
Some DMs plan out every single detail meticulously and have a very finely-crafted sandbox that quickly falls apart when players do or try something that throws them for a loop. Others have a general idea and statblocks ready and keep things more open for improvisation, which leads to descriptions and detail that may not be as finely honed, but in terms of experience allows the players more freedom to try stranger and more unorthodox tactics without worrying that they will be throwing the DM for a loop and ruining their flow.
All of that is to say that if the DM allows a player to use a particular character then if they DO prep anything, it will be with that character in mind, and if they DON'T prep something beforehand, they will be improvising with that character in mind. The long and short of it is that the GM and that player clearly didn't like each other, the DM was a pussy and wouldn't just give a hard no, he decided to passive-aggressively get back at the player by putting him in a patently unfun scenario, and the guy left because he wasn't enjoying himself anymore. Maybe the player deserved it because he was a douche but the DM was being a gay as well.
I have been doing for 30+ years
I have never planned anything
Half the time I roll up to the table and just go
Dming
Damn auto correct
>roll up to the table
IRL wheelchair user confirmed?
Fatso
I know it and own it
240lbs
the frick is this stupid statement
it is perfectly normal to run into enemies in RPG that you cannot kill in your/their current state and you need to come up with a plan quick.
*HE* chose to be a cripple, and this means that a lot of combat encounters are pretty much unwinnable in direct confrontation
*HE* wanted to play a character who had to overcome great challenges, but when those great challenges arrived, he bailed
being an annoying homosexual that wants to use a tabletop session to virtue signal is not good storytelling in an interactive medium
>playing MAGE tabletop
>Play a drug dealer
>friend is playing a tortured musician
>large backstory about his guitar coming from his dead brother or mentor or some shit
>friend goes to a manager who also sells drugs to celebrities
>I arrive to supply drugs to manager
>friend fails his perform check
>manager says he's shit, he'll never make it
>cops arrive to bust us
>I convince him to escape out the second story window with me
>rolls a nat 1 climbing out of the window, falls 2 stories
>lands on his guitar destroying it completely
>getting chased by the cops
>he rolls a nat 1 climbing a fence and he gets trapped on the fence snagging his pants
>we all now need to bust him out of jail because he has information we need
One of the best unprepared tabletops I ever got to play. The guy playing the musician loved it because he became a forever meme amongst all of us and we all laugh and tell that story
if the guy who wrote the wheelchair story dmded that your friend wouldve gotten shot to death by cops (if he somehow survived the fall and if he somehow survived suicide will saves caused by destroying his brothers memento)
That's a pleasant story and I genuinely enjoyed reading it but it doesn't apply too well here unless your friend rolled decently to climb out the window or climb the fence but massive penalties were applied specifically to railroad him into his failure because there was a predetermined outcome that someone really wanted to happen.
It also doesn't really apply here because I assume you and your friend both enjoyed playing with each other and spending that time in each others company, and one was not trying actively to keep the other from having fun.
the guy rolled his character, the DM didn't give it to him. if you were rolling a character and got 3s for all your stats and chose to continue then the game being difficult for you is your own fault
if you roll a paraplegic cripple and expect everyone else to suspend their disbelief and cast aside verisimilitude for your benefit then (you) are the butthole, not the DM.
i guess its fine to make all encounters unwinnable for an average party and then tell players its their fault for not rolling higher stats and minmaxing builds
have you considered that the DM and the group prefer challenging and grounded campaigns?
why are you coming at this from the perspective that the guy choosing to play as a cripple deserves special treatment? are you a cripple yourself or something?
because trannies like this think like this and do things like this all the time, they're allowed to impose themselves because of their identity and if you say anything about it you're a bad person
>Snake is some autistic bearded incel, I'm an alpha male that crushes pussy on base every day
He did get special treatment, he got an encounter designed specifically to render him useless and without any help. If a barbarian invested heavily in melee, but brought a bow along just in case, then had a solo encounter where he had to leave the bow behind and then fight archers shooting from the other side of a a lake of acid, it's not the barbarians fault.
>some convoluted scenario where a bow can't be used for some reason, and also there are enemies that can only be engaged in ranged combat
>stairs
are you always this dishonest?
>stairs
>a staircase coated in anti magic, that must be climbed without any help from the rest of the party, with a gargoyle ambush on top
are you always this dishonest?
I'll give you a hint, the bow in the scenario presented isn't the wheelchair, it's the mages entire fricking spell repertoire.
this really gets to the heart of the issue lol, the guy isn't playing a spellcaster who happens to use a wheelchair, the guy was playing a wheelchair users who happens to be a spellcaster. remove the wheelchair and you have nothing, because visibly playing a character in a wheelchair is the ENTIRE point for that guy. that's the problem.
You're assuming a lot, since the only encounter took away both his wheelchair and magic at the same time.
>the wheelchair-bound spellcaster loses his magic
>keeps going
>the wheelchair-bound spellcaster loses his wheelchair
>keeps going
>the wheelchair-bound spellcaster gets ambushed
>keeps going until he dies
>quits
>"WOOOOOOW he only cared about the wheelchair"
Depends on the challenge and the understanding that the player and the GM have about the current game and that character's place in it. I played a quad amputee for a campaign that was carried around by another player and we all enjoyed ourselves because I didn't push the limits on what I could do and the GM didn't have it out for me because we all had an understanding that it was in good fun and when my cleric was put in situations where he got rekt for it, it was to enhance the enjoyment of the game for everyone involved.
The original thing with the wheelchair in the dungeon sounds like a player and GM having a disagreement about what to allow, and instead of the GM telling him flat-out no and the player respecting that, two mistakes occurred that doomed it from the start. The player made the mistake of pressing the issue despite being told no and the GM made the mistake of begrudgingly allowing something in his game that he knew he would hate. The situation that resulted was the bad kind of adversarial GMing, where both people hate each other but one happens to be god.
You just sound like an butthole in your fantasy
You sound and act feminine.
And that gay's name? Albert Einstein.
I would have thought this was a cool story when I was a teen but this just seems like a bully power fantasy when in reality it's just grown men playing pretend and getting mad someone is playing pretend in a way they don't like
you don't pass
So you're a troon, and you were the kid when playing pretend who would say
>Nuh uh, I have the omega black power armor that makes it so bullets dont hurt me. I also have insane reflexes and can dodge them anyway.
>I also have a gun that shoots nuclear warheads and NOBODY can defend against it
We all hated that kid.
DnD is literally playing pretend within a given framework. If a player wants to come in and have changes made to the framework, they have to clear it with the DM who makes a judgement call.
DnD is literally not people doing whatever they want and telling a silly story.
no thats actually what the dm did
>you cannot use your wheelchair because there are stairs
ok i cast levita-
>you cannot cast spells
ok ill just cli-
>a monster killed you
You're mind reading.
We have a few truncated statements on what happened. Surely shortened for comedic / humor value.
I don't think it was a 10 second exchange just having the DM frick the player in the ass.
We don't know what challenges the other players faced.
Fighter could have had weapons taken away, hands broken, etc.
Casters can't cast.
My best guess is;
DM created a dungeon or is using a premade dungeon. Doesn't want to spend a lot of extra time modifying for one players demands.
Player tries to defy existing rules and is stopped.
Did the player fail a perception check on detecting enemies or dangers? Did the player even check? For all we know the player could have been playing as moronicly as his character was.
Faces an already prepared challenge with handicaps he gave himself.
Complains about it and leaves because the results of his efforts didnt match his imagination.
The amount of times I've tried to pull moron shit and been met with absolute failure is incredible. But I try anyway.
>See a remmoraz
>playing a grappler
>decide to try to get it tied up in chains
>burn myself to death launching the party on a multi session quest to revive me
>worth it for the memes of everyone making fun of me for it
You're also mindreading if you think that the DM specifically prepped or sourced the dungeon beforehand. You have no way of knowing how much was planned and how flexible the DM reasonably could have been to work with the players so that everyone enjoyed their time together at the table.
Exactly. Some people who run games do so more spontaneously and it makes for more flexible adventures if they are good at ad-libbing and keeping the pace. It's moronic and smells of either no actual tabletop experience or very limited tabletop experience if anon is just assuming that everything(or even most) was already planned out and set in stone for that dungeon. No wrong way to do it but it is wrong to assume there is one way and go forward with that assumption.
Honestly if I was a disabled mage an I saw an anti magic staircase as the first obstacle is go to one of the other three and ask to swap trials.
>the dungeon is cursed so no magic works
>but a magic gargoyle magically comes to life in it
work on maintaining continuity in your short stories bro
>some people here actually thinks this is real
lmao
>Magic doesn't work at all in the dungeon
>Somehow in this story it's the gimp that is upset by this and not the casters.
Yeah, this never happened.
i always play magic users in RPGs given the chance and find anti-magic scenarios interesting personally but tastes vary. i'd be annoyed if it were the first ever adventure.
>gay in my D&D group demands to play as a fricking cripple
When this happens, I just make a wonderer healer to fix them just outside the first dungeon. For free. The wonderer healer is never seen or hear from again.
Sorry chud but the new rules added a wheelchair that is turbo overturned to the point that it's a good idea to become a cripple willingly just to use it
I was there and it happened
homosexual
can be cool if it flies or has tank treads but not ordinary wheelchairs
I remember a short news story I once read in the middle of the GWOT about how the Army and marines were ending the test program to put soldiers and jarheads on skateboards in combat and I just couldn't fathom how this got to the point where they'd test anything considering that you can't send in guys to the battlefield beforehand to sweep away all the pebbles and twigs and shit that'll frick you up. I understand that pentagon cols and lt. cols want OER bullet points but come the frick on.
To be fair soldiers with roller skates sound rad
>four automatic guns which are either sentient or just firing blindly constantly, back ones mounted on swivels, front ones shooting at knees. Player is incapable of reloading or clearing a jam, no aiming mechanism in sight
>some side mounted blades to make every doorway an impossibility, set at shin height for maximum sales of more chairs.
>two front spikes that either barely extend past the footrest or not at all, perspective is hard, ankle height.
>single squad barrelled shotgun, player is firing all of which at once onehanded, because why have two functional limbs when you could have one
>front trolley wheels can't even turn, so player has to pop a wheelie to change facing
Assuming this shit has a magic motor because if this is wheeled by hand it's even more of a frick up.
Give it threads like a tank and actual armor protecting their limp legs and it actually looks cool.
I'm 99% sure no one would give a shit (not even Ganker) about disabled characters if they actually fit with their setting, like that girl from Fear and Hunger 2
Something like this?
i like the breasts but the body+head are exposed and the weapons are small caliber
why not armor her and give her an mg, rpg and flamer with fuel tanks stored in the tank chassis?
>I want to be disabled
Ok that might give interesting interactions
>But I don't want it to disadvantage my character
Alright, kinda ruins the point but I guess it would make for a backstory, you could have a magical spell or apparatus operate your legs
>no I need to be in a wheelchair
Ok I guess we could hook up some fantasy version of-
>it needs to recognisably look like a modern wheelchair
>but i don't want it to disadvantage my character
That's the exact point where most of this crowd loses me, being disabled doesn't make you useless irl, but it does make most things HARDER, and that's something that can be explored in games to not only create interesting gameplay, but also bring some fricking empathy to the general public about what disabled people deal with on a daily basis.
Threads are cool, but her body being completely nude and projected forwards is stupid, good art though.
Fricking stupid. If they're in a fantasy world, I'm sure the writers can come up with ways to fix someones legs so they can go to places that don't have wheelchair ramps installed.
Those fricking morrowind dwarven spider-mech-chairs make much more sense.
99% of the time combat wheelchair designs are moronic because the setting allows for tech that is way better than a fricking wheelchair
any character that settles for a chair when they could have a mech suit is a poseur
I think they're fine. Like, they're stupid and pandering, but do I really need to get angry about it? I know a guy who lose his arm at the elbow who really likes Jaime Lannister. On top of being a good character, my friend connected to him because he too had to learn how to use his non-dominant hand for things, and didn't magically overcome his problems. I figure the same is true for people in wheelchairs. I say let em be happy.
I doubt a disabled person would want to roleplay/play as a disabled person.
Why do people think this? Maybe if it's someone that became disabled, but why do people think that disabled people wouldn't want to play as literally all they have ever known?
I suppose you'd be surprised that the majority of people choose to play as generic humans that look like themselves rather than fantastical flying races and stuff.
moronic if they actually need the chair and/or the chair is nothing more than the thing helping them move around.
Awesome if the battle wheelchair is effectively a combat mech with weapons and features installed, and the character can walk normally otherwise.
Why is it moronic if they need the wheelchair. I think that a better wheelchair should be interesting not just a literal wheelchair but it defeats the purpose of a wheelchair if they can just walk around.
Think Belger from Final Fight.
Soulless homosexualry
As with all things, I take it in the spirit it was given. Trying to make something cool, or give something cool to an already cripple character in a cool way that works in the setting? It's cool. Trying to virtue signal, make cripples feel represented or otherwise smells of gay danger hair shit? In the trash it goes.
I think it's dumb, but only because wheelchairs look really bad. A disabled character that can't move around on their own is fine but the vehicle has to look good and better than a wheelchair
It's been done before.
Just off the cuff:
Munch from Munch's Oddysee
Bentley from Sly Cooper
If you're thinking it's new and original, and somehow gotcha that it's never been done before, it proves you didn't even try and look it up.
Is this mtg art?
It's Bayonetta fanart.
Legends of Runeterra
>magic exists
>settle on being wheelchair bound for life instead of shapeshifting or growing limbs or having familiars move your legs or drinking walk again potion
moronic logic breaks worldbuilding
>scifi setting
>settle on being wheelchair bound for life instead of getting a mech, exosuit/skeleton, jetpack, jump pack, regrowing limb tech, neural implants, limb implants
its literally too moronic of a concept to make it work.
>real life setting
>be wheelchair bound for life, no way to cure it exists
>...
>no game
except the beginning of that wolfenstein game, and only the beginning, and you know exactly why. Because it would be just boring annoying tedious shit and thats not what video games are about
I'd just assume that it was some magic curse or something like 90% of player backstory contrivances. I had an aarakocra whose wings were burned away by a curse that a minion of ogremoch cast and he was questing to get them back. That was a means to an end because I felt like playing an aarakocra but the DM didnt want flying, so we worked something out.
There are spells in DnD that would just straight up cause what you consider logic-breaking, being crippled in itself doesn't break anything and can enhance storytelling if you have some force or entity cause it directly or indirectly. Just a matter of working together so everyone can have fun.
when was the last time in fantasy a character lost his glasses and became useless
this b***h
IT'S JUST A TINY CAR AT THIS POINT
WHY NOT MAKE IT A COOL DESIGN INSTEAD OF A FRICKING WHEELCHAIR
IT COULD BE A JETPACK OR AN EXOSKELETON
NOBODY SEES A FRICKING WHEELCHAIR AND GOES "WOAH COOL"
FRICKING NOBODY
EVERYBODY LAUGHS AT THIS SHIT
Maybe there was a crippled enemy and she pushed him off the chair and took it for a spin.
this, there's so many ways to make handicapped people interesting but THEY NEVER DO ANYTHING INTERESTING WITH IT
Fear and Hunger 2 did it best. Mostly a hindrance, with certain niche benefits. But it was fine because it was bound to a single character, and was literally a wheelchair, not some stupid 'battle wheelchair' that tries to overplay the thing as so powerful and non-hindering that the whole thing becomes patronizing.
its not the worst tbh.
>world full of magic and miracles
>you can even become a GOD.
>decide to be a woman (still fail tho)
Deciding to become a woman in a world with magic isn't that bad. But if they don't just use a magic potion to do it and become an actual woman (woman), then it's moronic.
In this particular case you have there, it works. The flavor text and context tell that she's the boss of a group of saboteurs, pretty much demolition and sabotage experts of Noxus, which might explain her being crippled, some explosive related accident.. Noxus is a place with magic, but it isn't available for everybody and, in fact, it's hoarded by aristocrats, soldiers, etc. She's wheelchair bound most likely because she is not considered a big enough asset to warrant a more expensive or definitive option, if they have it even available, since Noxus is notoriously inconsistent with its resources.
Also, it seems to be this particular scene takes place in a situation where she's forced to fight, so she just put as many guns as she could on her wheelchair rather than her being an active fighter.
This is one of the few situations where it's fine.
I love LoR but you're coping too hard
The people who designed this got fired anyways
What the frick are you talking about? It makes complete sense, specially with the current characterization of Noxus using any resource available. Having a woman in a wheelchair shooting guns is too much of a stretch for an empire that reanimates corpses just to use them again as suicide bombers?
It completely fits Noxus' ideal of fighting at any cost.
This one makes sense. You might not like it, but it has enough explanation and background to fit.
Is that not bayonetta?
No, it's a Legend of Runeterra minor character.
You could certainly have a disabled character who uses a tooled up means of transport without it being moronic
You could even have a character forced to modify a wheelchair on short notice and not be moronic
That design is still moronic.
Noxus has a really "edgey" aesthetics. It's a bit too much, but it's still fits how Noxus usually looks, especially the rank-and-file soldiers.
It was mostly the fact that every weapon apart from the back spindle guns are at ankle height and impede the normal function of the chair, edginess can be excused as per the setting.
Fair enough. I doubt the original artist actually did any research on wheelchair mechanics, so understandable.
Wheelchairs are almost universally stupid
just drive a chariot
I think a rickshaw would've been more badass.
literally anything would be cooler than being forced to sit in a chair and move yourself.
its a world of fantasy and the best thing the player could come up with was a chair with wheels.
>carried by familiars
>hovering and carried by imps
>walks on hands instead
>mech spider carries you
>charisma chad carried around by adoring harem
>require regular injections of walk juice
>spiderman around using grappling hooks
>be me, imp
>summoned by some cripple witch to carry her around
>constantly touching her crippled legs and butt (she can't feel it)
best job ever
>necromancer animating his useless legs
>druid using vines to control his legs
>dude just straight up turning himself into a centaur
>Character with disease eating at his limbs has to graft whatever he finds on enemies
shit, that's a cool idea
>obsessed with finding the perfect pair of limbs so he always skulks around battlefields and hungrily eyes people's legs
>druid has to find a creature with 6+ legs to transform into so he can deal with 2 being immobile
>be handicapped druid
>all my animal forms are handicapped as well
could be interesting, or maybe just depressing
>Wheelchair dude is there to fuel the severely ableist berserk warrior in the party
the possibilities are endless
add qt girl as meat armor.
>Controlling a swarm of animals that act as your legs and mimic your actual legs
literally limitless cooler options
Why not take all these silly, over the top battle wheelchair designs, and instead of awkwardly trying to pass them off in RPGs in a 'WE'RE JUST AS CAPABLE AS YOU' cringe way... make a weird, destruction derby wheelchair basketball game where the players slam into eachother like they're in extreme bumper cars?
If everyone is in a wheelchair, then no one is a special snowflake.
>one of the unlockable players is 'special snowflake'
>angry mountaineer whose legs were eaten by a yeti
>tracked down the yeti and killed them, juryrigged the Yeti's bones to make an ice-themed enchanted bone wheelchair
>freezes opponents solid and leaves icy trails behind them on the court that causes slips
>screams Arnold Freeze tier ice puns all game
>"THE GAME MUST SNOW ON"
I'm crying.
Riot thank you. Finally I'm represented in a game.
They need to cut the legs off entirely if they're going to do this. Just MY OPINION.
>Cripple in sci Fi universe
>Choosing "battle wheelchair" over just getting bionics or piloting a mech
>Cripple in fantasy universe
>Not just learning magic to get around like levitating or teleporting or riding a mount
It's just the laziest kind of self inserting possible, if I was a cripple I could make up so many more interesting scenarios than just "yeah I'm in a wheelchair but with guns"
Ironic.
You could have them riding a mount. Lots of crippled nobles did that back in the day. How is riding a weelchair preferable to riding a big wolf?
the crippled savant/idiot strongman pairing is also underrated (i was actually thinking Bran and Hodor when i wrote this but this keeps it vidya related. although i'm not actually sure if the alchemist is a cripple)
Kinda weird to post this sentiment for 40k, of all the settings. One of the most notable fluff Inquisitors literally floats around in a force chair.
If I remember correctly that's because it was the bottom half of the necron that took his legs
So... more of a trophy than a disability
And a well earned one
>get your arm cut off by an ork
>replace it with their power klaw
>get your legs blown off by a necron
>replace it with their destroyer platform
We need a veteran who's body is 99% trophies from xenos who dismembered them (and 100% admech approved somehow)
Yarrick was that
Ork claw
Tau eye implants
I think a leg was from one of the lesser factions
Nah, he's talking about Ravenor, Eisenhorn's protogé, who got blown to bits in a heretic terrorist attack. Essentially just a mangled chest and head sealed in a floating plasteel orb.
Darn
I was thinking about an inquisitor
Can't remember the name but it started with R
Battle wheelchairs are a fundamentally moronic concept. It would be cooler and unironically more believable to have a crippled character fight in a normal wheel chair.
if cripples can get battle wheelchairs then I should be able to get a T-62A
moronic. If its even just as good as a regular non battle wheelchaired character, then every character should use one, since there should not really be any downside. Its just virtue signallers trying to virtue signal to the detriment of any logical consistency in a setting.
People creating these kinds of characters to "Represent" disabilities dont represent the disability at all.
How the frick is it representation of being wheelchair bound when the wheelchairs have better mobility than someone on two feet?
Its like making a black character to preach to american audiences about how "in touch with the african american struggle we, the kindhearted devs, are"
And then said black character gets treated exactly the same as all the other characters and his race is never brought up and he may as well have been white.
Lesser restoration is 45gp
Remove curse also 45gp
Greator restoration 95gp
Regeneration 100gp + 100gp material component
A battle wheelchair is a copout to avoid having to roleplay. It's for idiots who just want to showboat.
A regular wheelchair is fine. It forces you to roleplay and play around your character's weaknesses. Actually use your brain.
fat people dont make escapist fantasies where they are even fatter and unhealthier.
children dont make escapist fantasies where they are younger and morehelpless.
the disabled do not make escapist fantasies where they are even more crippled and a further burden on themselves, their families, and society.
its a completely nonsensical forced meme created by people with disability fetishes.
Regular people do make escapist fantasies where they are faced with some novel challenge and learn to play around it and step(lmao) into someone else's shoes. This is just a more moronic version of playing a character who's missing an arm or has a perpetual geas that prevents him from communicating with the clergy of a particular deity or he takes massive damage.
People who take it seriously for muh representation are dumb but I'd enjoy the opportunity to be forced into some wheelchair-like situation in a place with myriad steps and staircases. Having to convince a stranger to carry you to the top of a large staircase would be an interesting encounter.
Noxian gimmick assassins are always cool even the lame wheelchair one.
moronic in all circumstances and every attempt to make the idea 'cool' has entirely failed. A contributing reason is that same uncomfortable feeling you get ehen you see women on social media saying a morbidly obese woman is beautiful, even though theyd scream at you if you agreed and said they look like said woman. Theyre just pretending handicapped people arent handicapped. Professor X had a wheelchair and was fine but it was unmistakable that being crippled was a detriment to him, and people treated him as if he were crippled.
Put simply, by attempting to look for ways to make a combat wheelchair cool (you want to pander) you will never be able to write a character whos a cripple people who are crippled can actually relate to without wincing as they know what youre doing. Youll also never succeed.
Rape
>The fixed epithet for Hephaestus, used from the eighth century B.C. by Homer, Hesiod, and other ancient authors until the fifth century A.D., is "Amphiguéeis," i.e., with both feet crooked. He is also called "Kullopodíou," i.e., clubfooted.
lol
Shitposting-territory.
I think there's an episode in ATLA where they visit the temple of the airbenders only to find out that a bunch of normies moved in, one of them being a dude in a wheelchair. They spend the entire episode trying to make him look cool (and to show he's doing the best he can in his situation) but at the end of the day he was still a dude trapped in a box with wheels while others were shooting fire out of their buttholes.
i recently rewatched the show and i didn't think the character was bad or annoying or anything. it wasn't like the OP pic where his wheelchair was his superpower, all the other kids could use the airbending staves to fly as well, it was just more notable with him because of his disability. i thought it added to his character and his relationship with his father who was an engineer so obviously his dad made the wheelchair for him. it wasn't weirdo pandering stuff from white liberals that want to look as woke as possible.
Oh I agree, it's sweet and all and shows that being a bender isn't everything. Hell, even in Korra they showed that technology is able to go hand-to-hand with "magic".
The dude just wasn't a main character.
The abandoned pilot for a western sailor moon that was lost media until someone dug it out of the library of congress in 2023 (not making this up) had Sailor Mercury in a wheelchair. And when she powered up it turned into a magic FLYING wheelchair.
Look it up, it's as hilariously dumb as it sounds.
no
you're lying
you fricking liar
Fine, get spoonfed. But now you have to watch it. gay.
What on God's green earth did I just watch
i feel like i'm having a stroke
hooy frick I'm literlly sittging here doing th OH N=ONON O meme with my face og fuvck
As long as the chair looks cool(that doesn’t)
>sorry disabled people can only be heroes and positive now, disabled villains aren't allowed
i will never not be mad about this
No fricker ever associated this man with being a cripple
NTA but what the hell do you mean 'not associated'? Dude just straight up is a disfigured, wheelchair bound, burn scarred, one armed freak. He IS disabled.
It's like saying nobody ever associated Simba with being a fricking lion.
I always thought it more of him being just old and feeble. The fascist dystopia being led by old and bitter men obsessed with strength and punctuality they themselves lack.
i somewhat disagree, i don't think anyone associated disability with him or being evil, but his being crippled is 100% integral to his character. but his morality and choices were his own.
pandering to the mentally ill omni-fat danger hairs who think that disabled people just... aren't disabled okay?
Like my toddler cousin walked in on my martial arts tournament and we all decided to stop so we could coddle him
"Battle Wheelchairs" are moronic because they're in no way practical and have to have about a million things added onto them for them to make any sense. Yeah, laser guns and mecha are not real, but they're also cool and generally a lot of work is put into make them feel like part of a universe. If the technology was available to make "Battle wheelchairs" then the person in one should instead just have an exoskeleton type suit that does the same thing but actually makes sense in a combat scenario.
The reason people hate this shit so much is because in D&D it is like "Okay it can float up stairs, you can't be knocked out of it, only you can move if you want it to, it can float on water, it gives armor, it has infinite storage, it does X, Y, Z, A, B, C, D, and E!" and it feels like a self insert power fantasy for the 10 Little Timmys in wheelchairs that play D&D. Why not just give them some kind of magical boots or leg guards or pants that let them walk around? I mean I feel like a warrior who had his legs fricked up but then had his leg armor enchanted to be able to move him around could be a cool design that could have legitimate upsides and downsides, but instead it is just like "Yeah, the guy in a wheelchair needs to be objectively stronger than anyone else because... something something diversity and inclusion"
A character in a wheelchair in combat/adventure situation is perfectly fine, even good, but you gotta take the disability into account when considering motivations and story.
Say, you have dungeon delving stuff, say you have a disabled language specialist that has to come with the rest of the team to a vertical death-trap that is super fricking hard to navigate even for able-bodied people. It would be actually kinda interesting setup for mission structure and mechanics to find routes for the wheelchair guy. That would actually be pretty nice.
Alternatively, it's not that I even care if some crippled person wants to do a power fantasy of being able to jump and climb over rubble at high speeds. Don't see why I should be upset if they want to do that in their own scenarios, but if it's a prescribed scenario with an npc in a wheelchair that is also kitted to be a perfect ninja without any proper consideration to how he does that in a wheelchair, that just would be lazy and unimmersive.
Don't rely solely on the chair.
but these people don't have a personality or any identifiable traits beyond the chair
Depends on the wheelchair
Why not just make it a car?
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>wheelchair is a murder weapon
it's okay, let her have fun
I dislike battle Wheelxhairs because they're anti-RP in RPGs.
A party with rogues approaches tasks in a different way than one with mages, or one with warriors. Each of those adds a different thing others do not which leads to role play. There's roles and there's interplay for players to engage with.
The Wheelxhair exists and was created for a single purpose to be a perfect tool to replicate a normal person walking. And it does so in a way that can be a heavy-handed way that's best described as "it just does, alright?"
Rough terrain? "it just does, alright?"
Narrow passages? "it just does, alright?"
Ladders? "it just does, alright?"
A giant just kicked a door into smithereens and struck it? "it just doesn't, alright?"
Not with owner? "it just does, alright?"
The only real option for players is to ask whether a healthy person can use it, and if not, delinerately hit your own leg for a crippling wound.
That said, some characters fit the disability-chaired design, like von bolt from AW.
I don't play games with them unless it's something really-really-really-really-REALLY out there.
It's just too silly for me to take seriously
Repasting from the previous thread.
Why refute? If a person in high magic setting full of good gods of healing, neutral druidic gods of healing and, in some cases, evil murdeefricking gods of evil healing with consequences at the expence of the suffering of healed person and various other sacrifices is in a wheelchair, it only can mean, that this person is so fricked up, evil and dangerous, that all gods and their clerics refuse to heal him and that summoning Tarrasque to deal with this fricker would be not only fully justified, but should be supported by all measures from calling illitids to dealing with yugolots and other various horrors.
how do they
uh
They don't
moronic. they would and should die first due to their inability to maneuver well in the battlefield
they should stay at their homestead instead
Why not give it tank tracks or have it hover like Professor X instead of it literally being a wheelchair?
Even a set of legs like Urgot would have been cooler
I ended making one of my own for my project
Why do all of these supposed combat chairs leave the pilot completely exposed? Add a canopy or something, it's as bad as those mechs from the matrix
because it doesn't belong on the battlefield, duh
Looks moronic. Also why would somebody in a wheelchair want to roleplay as somebody in a wheelchair?
>Oh boy! Now my legs can not work in real life AND in this magical fantasy realm!
wizards just want to cast spells and handwave their low str, dex and con away
Crippled characters are fine but combat wheelchairs are stupid.
You know what gets dicked over by sticks? Or rocks? Or loose soil? Or a steep-ish incline?
Bigass, thin street wheels do, homie. The least you can do is have an inventive suspension system, or all terrain tires, or fricking mechanical legs. Go talk to Rumble or Urgot who have already figured all that shit out. Rumble would be absolutely jazzed to show his work off. Anything but a modern push chair with knives stapled to it like you just got entered into the Robot Wars rookie leagues and are about to get your shit slapped by a spinner bot who's owner knew what they were doing.
>You know what gets dicked over by sticks? Or rocks? Or loose soil? Or a steep-ish incline?
>Bigass, thin street wheels do, homie. The least you can do is have an inventive suspension system, or all terrain tires, or fricking mechanical legs.
yeah but they don't want to play a character in a wheelchair because of the roleplaying/character opportunities it provides, they want to play a character in a wheelchair so they can brag about being progressive
people in wheelchairs should be put down like dogs and the idea that those exist should be wiped
My rogue does this shit just fine 🙂
>noglin
There's no reason to bring the chair along in this scenario, using what's left of your legs to steady yourself against the tower as you pull yourself up, then scurrying around like that with your high dex score is way stealthier than trying to scrape metal banded wood over a balcony
People already came up with cool designs in the 90s. Why are we regressing?
women
morons NEED to self insert
ive seen posts from Black folk in actual wheelchairs and they dont like it
because they always self insert as someone with functioning legs shocking i know
no its just homosexuals trying to get brownie points from people who dont even play their game
It's either they're uncreative as frick or just want their cripple fetish in the game.
I like tank treads on mechs if you count that. And I like pic related but only really once he ditches the wheelchair for spider legs.
it's fricking stupid and not cool
why do spergs who have never dm'd a campaign try to argue about encounter design
why do trannies that don't play games feel the need to criticize how others play their games
I will argue about absolutely anything I have no experience or knowledge of, it's my divine right and a special talent I'm proud of.
i wouldnt want the constant reminder that i'll never walk again in my escapist hobby. thats how you know the homosexuals pushing for this shit arent even gamers. Non gaming related sidenote: Nighmare on Elm Street 3 had a great wheelchair bound character. He learned to master his dreams because that was the only way he could escape his life as a cripple and he almost soloed Freddy with his wizard powers. Obviously got ganked in the end, but he went out like a boss. Easily the best character in the entire franchise.
>making a situation challenging by reducing it to a series of dice rolls
i sleep
There's a character in this Gundam show called Build Divers who is completely pitch-black blind and is only capable of seeing within the VRMMO they play, and I felt more for that guy than I did any "Le capable" wheel chair guy.
100% with you on that
I have successfully spent at least one morons time
Responding to one person for an hour while DMing a game with friends in the background
This was a fun game
Hah
It's only cool of they're telepaths and psychics like Charles Xavier. Otherwise it's super lame.
Like, the idea is you're meant to compensate their loss in a massive boost in the opposite end.
Blind monks are cool because they gain hypersensitive spacial awareness through hearing, touch, and smell.
It's the same with characters that have disabled bodies. You pull a Stephen Hawking, if the body is disabled, then you make their mind hyper powerful. Not just extremely intelligent, but you give them addition psychic and magical abilities. JJK did this too with Mechamaru, and it's super cool.
If you're gonna give a disabled character a wheelchair to make them as martially capable as an athlete, that's just flat out moronic.
shit's cool
If it was basically a tank, I'd be okay with it.
>He plays 5e
Play Pathfinder 2e.
I play pokeboobs
>People in chairs want representation
>Mounted combat has existed for thousands of years
Crippled in the legs, crippled in the brain. Do not simply accept your limitation, be the master of it.
Where is the inoperable face goiter representation?
Dear, oh dear...
Gehrman doesn't fight in his chair though, only these guys- and they're slow as shit and rely on surprise ambush tactics
>How do you feel about characters in battle wheelchairs?
Is Legends of Runeterra the worst card game ever made?
artifact died 2 month after release so LOR is only close second
hey thats not fair
it was a closed beta (more like alpha) where you had to pay 18 bucks to get in
its so much worse
The issue is they don't use the spy the rules of the world to their idea. This is a world of magic, you should use magical means. Greater restoration is a 5th level spell and can cure your disabilities. Artificers can craft magical prosthesis. You wanna start disabled? Sure but know that it's a curable ailment in this world and you hold yourself back for choosing to stay disabled