It's like they learned nothing from PoE. Zilch, zero.
So many bad decisions akin to previous diablo games, such as the shallow itemization and skill tree. Also pathetic monster density.
Also the way you gear up with helltide and dungeons seems retarded as fuck. Where are the crafting options?
Why arent they making it more like PoE? As I see it this game will be dead after 2 months
>it's shit because it's not exactly the same as path of exile
kys poedrone
It's shit because it's a dumbed down simplified version of not only PoE but a ton of others Arpgs on the market. Games like that have no longevity
>WAAH WHY DOESNT BLIZZARD MAKE DEEP GAMES?
Blizzard always made shallow games.
Because D2 is better
That said, they also don't make it close enough to D2 even though they said they would try
D2 is dogshit and trying to make it like D2 is bad
D2 is the reason the genre exists.
And every single game since has been smarter men realizing d2 was dogshit and should be fixed
D2 was dogshit in many ways but i still feel like replaying it now and then.
I never have any wish to replay D3.
D2LoD has idiosyncrasies that D2R is seemingly trying to fix (more build variety for casual play for example), but back in the day D3 was trying to be different from D2 only because D3 devs hated Blizzard North with passion.
retards are out tonight.
Well no. It's pretty much the best Blizzard has and about the only thing on any kind of even keel with Grim Dawn. PoE is a western gacha game. Play it if you must, but I want nothing to do with it. I'm after an aRPG, not a slot machine.
Retard.
Making another game like D2 is dumb, d2 exists and it even has a remake That's enough D2.
they hated him because he told the truth
d2 was good for its time, but yeah it doesnt age or hold up that well.
the only reason i still do a run or so every few years is because of nostalgia and nothing more.
solid bait
D2 was literally genre defining.
Sure, it wasn't perfect but fuck me if it wasn't addictive to a point where I spend 5 years playing it.
That aside, I'll happily admit I wouldn't have spend ~5 years on it if it wasn't for Mousepad.
>X was never good
The old fart fears the non-conformist zoomer, as they spoke with true and wisdom.
I'm litterally discovering the Diablo franchise with D2 as we speak (currently in Kurast) and it's fucking good, even though I think I fucked up with the skills I bought.
>even though I think I fucked up with the skills I bought.
Don't sweat it that's part of the experience.
playing d2 rn, gay
Why would you expect Blizzard to learn and make right decisions?
PoE already exist. Why imitate when you can build in a different direction and thus fish for an untapped audience?
Its not in a different direction though thats the issue, its for the most part identical to previous diablo games with a few changes
Oh no that's terrible the previous games were such commercial failures after all
They werent but the arpg landscape is different today than it was in those days. They have actual competition now, thats the point. And they don't seem to understand that at all.
You'd have to be 80 IQ to not see how hard this game is gonna flop
Diablo has something no other diabloclone has which is a compelling world and story, the majority of players don't give a shit about your loot casino hell games, they will buy it for other reasons.
I mean sure if you’re willing to concede that its a story play it once and dump it game thats fine with me. For some reason I suspect thats not what most people want though
Most people want exactly that, a decent rpg to dump some 100 hours into and be done with it until the expansion comes out a year later. Only severely autistic people stay for the loot casino, PoE is a containment game.
>compelling world and story
What are you talking about anon? Diablo world and story is some generic drivel.
It's an OG generic drivel that captured the imagination of the public and stayed relevant for decades.
>captured the imagination of the public
No it didn't. This board has few lore threads and Diablo lore isn't one of them.
I guarantee you have never and will never have sex.
Diablo 3 is the worst argpg and one of the worst blizzard games every made. Just because blizzard is the marvel of gaming and even terrible shit sells doesn't make that shit not bad. There is an infinite supply of rubes who will buy anything. There is no way to objectively grade a creations quality based on sales any longer.
What fucking untapped audience? This game will be played by pathetic blizzdrones in extreme denial and normies who will only flock to it because "diablo is this big series everyone talks about, so this is the new hot thing" and some morons attracted by its MMO-like game design.
>Why arent they making it more like PoE?
They want a bigger more casual audience. Like D3 is simple and sold over 30.000.000 times. 4 will also do that overtime
It didn't sell those numbers because it was simple, it sold because it's Diablo and people were excited to play it again after D2.
the biggest seller in the D3 family line was immortal. Remember, the phone game. It being super casual payed up as casual phone gays have never even heard of D2, much less grinded it.
>It's like they learned nothing from PoE. Zilch, zero.
Why would they want to learn from a bad game?
crafting is fucking gay
Why copy PoE which doesn't really require money when you can copy Lost Ark instead?
diablo 4 will be the heroes 6 of the franchise.
people remembered homm4, but nobody fucking cared about 6.
They're trying to GAAS It. One month with a "d4 has the best selling* week ever!" * Means napkins on burger king not games false advertising scam news. Only blizz crackfiends Will play It
They're not gonna make a complex game for gamers, they want this game to sell so they're gonna make something that appeals to every general idiot so they can microtransaction the hell out of it.
Getting it just for Lilith.
>poe
Its trying to be american Lost Ark, not poe
>all these zoomers shitting on D2 and coping about PoE
LMAO
They've convinced themselves D3 was actually good
Ganker contrarianism has gotten out of hand
d3 is a good game, period
the only thing it did wrong was the real money AH (which got removed) and the initial difficulty curve (which they fixed)
bro D4 aint even have no trading!! Aint no way you not capping?!!
>yes i want to buy all the items with real money and never play the game
why are you like this?
Ive never paid money for items in PoE retard. Only stashes
game isnt botted to shit with russians that sell items, not at all, nuh uh
Giving a shit about botting is the most reddit thing possible in moder gayming culture.
Man i aint give no hoots about bots, get it?!!
Botter detected
No i just play the game as it is and dont care about what others do
Then you shouldn't care if they work out ways to neutralize botters either.
Thats right i dont care and never cared. If devs dont want bots its up to them. I just play the game as is and decide whether I enjoy it or not. No amount of armchair devving about how botting impacts economy for better or for worse changes that
If you were competing in leaderboards or pvp you would care about botting because it directly impacts those players, getting rid of bots and trading is a huge leap forward for the genre.
>If you were competing in leaderboards or pvp
So some players fun is less worth than others?
No, but as i said i dont give a shit whether there are bots or not. You thinking i would suddenly give a shit about PvPers or leaderbord chasers is laughable
You might be able to macro gamepad input to the keyboard with an external remapper depending on how blizzard handles the input
Trading was the best thing about D2 before d2jsp garden gnomes killed the game.
The genre is simply just worse off now than it was 20 years ago, and we can't go back because either we don't have trading which is anti-fun, or we do have trading and excessive p2w real money item sellers involved which is also anti-fun
if you give the average player nowadays a system to skip gear progression through any means he will use it
same happened to wow classic, at first it was ok, now its GDKP goldbuying central for people that literally buy EVERYTHING with real money since working and buying shit is more efficient than actually playing the game
its ridiculous, in every guild ive been 50-60% of people straight up buy gold, hundreds of thousands and later cry about bots ruining the economy, people are this fucking dense
>excessive p2w real money item sellers involved which is also anti-fun
Just nuke SEA and china, trading and mmo economies are good again. It's a win win for everyone.
>d4 has no trading
fucking sold fuck the tradefags SSF sisters its our time now
diablo 3 is fun for exactly 3 days at a time
meanwhile diablo 2 can be played for weeks while working towards a goal
i just wonder which direction d4 will take
>meanwhile diablo 2 can be played for weeks while working towards a goal
Says a person who hasn't played it for 20 years.
D3 has no character progression or gear progression. You are literally handed a set for free each season then you farm for 1-2 hours at season start for a couple legendries to go with it and in the cube, then you're done. There is no progression there at all. You can be endgame ready full build day 1. The only thing you're looking for is rerolls of items you ALREADY HAVE for crit or area damage depending on your gear.
Its like playing an MMO and they give you endgame raid tier for free on your first day of playing, its fucking retarded. Might as well be a lobby game where you just click play and it plops you in a greater rift with whatever build loadout you want
the free set is shit and is basic cooky cutter stuff that lets you get to the beginning of the actual endgame
>no progression at all
what are grifts?
>You can be endgame ready full build day 1
if you mean you can clear torment 12 rifts then yes, if you actually want to clear harder stuff then no
not that gay but, depending on the season and meta and patchnote buffs, the free set can be the same set you use to clear 150s. and you can speedfarm T16/gr90s after a day with it.
after set+legends all you 'hunt' is the same with better stats
D3 is fun for 2-4 days at seasonstart
>after set+legends all you 'hunt' is the same with better stats
so just like poe and d2?
Similar, but no free gear in them.
All of the mentioned arpgs suck in their own ways, yes including D2
in d3 you can deck out your character in few days of casual play, meanwhile you can play d2 for a long time and keep finding upgrades and won't hit max level for a long time
the way your character progresses is just fundamentally different
>no progression at all
>what are grifts?
bro I said CHARACTER PROGRESSION as in the entire point of an arpg you thick cunt
Doesnt matter if you dont want the seasonal set either the others drop like candy too, you can have whatever build you want online on day 1 and the only thing you will be changing is rerolls of stats on the same pieces of gear. So there is literally no gear progression.
On top of this the only forms of character progression are 1 modifier rune on each skill, which is an absolute joke when you consider even D2 had skill trees you could invest in, arpgs are coming out these days with passive trees for each skill now for god sake not literally 1 of a few runes to apply to a spell, its a fucking joke. Then you have the paragon system which applies flat % modifiers to the blandest shit like health or area damage or crit, further worsening the problem of number inflation.
There have been some bad arpgs over the years but there has yet to be a game that foregoes every single aspect of an arpg like D3 did, its literally an anti-arpg
poe does what you describe and people play the same shit or one meta build every league that involves 7 passives, a dash ability and one button that actually does damage
whew lad
What makes you think I like PoE either dickhead?
>if you actually want to clear harder stuff
Wow this same pack of mobs has 3 trillion health instead of 2.5 trillion health. I'm sure glad I farmed for 5 extra hours so I could really feel the progression.
if you aren't a numbers autist why are you playing a clickan?
>looking for is rerolls of items you ALREADY HAVE
D2 is full of this to an even worse extent in some cases because of how rare so much shit is like 2 socket crown of ages or eth reapers toll
Even at the low end of gear making a dozen spirits because the FCR rolled less than max
Yeah but in D2 on season start you dont just get handed instantly your endgame build, by the time you are looking for rerolls of specific items that's around endgame for your season. In D3 thats literally day 1, a few hours after getting haedrics gift (if you havent already had your set drop on the way). D3 seasons are so laughable because the item progression is literally non-existent, its no wonder the game is dead if people are at the end point straight away just going into grifts lol
>Its like playing an MMO and they give you endgame raid tier for free on your first day of playing, its fucking retarded
Yeah imagine if the game focused on player skill rather than gear. How awful.
>game focused on player skill
Diablo and POE are skill based games? That's a new one
You're in the wrong genre if you want that retard, arpgs have always been about character and gear progression, not 'skill'. Go play AoE2 or something and master your apm if you care that much about competitiveness. These games are about build variety and creativity not dumb shit like that
>It's always been this way
>Therefore we're not allowed to ever change anything or try anything new
>By the way this genre is so stagnant LMAO
this post is a pure lie and I expect no less from Ganker
>this post is a lie but I will make no effort in explaining why, just post literally nothing in response
im intrigued then, what is it im supposedly lying about? I've played D3 at release and since reaper of souls for multiple seasons, even this recent one. This is literally how the game plays
>focus all of your content and progression around endgame
>skip players to the end game on Season 700 because that's where the actual gameplay is at this point
MMOs do this as well and have done this for decades.
>D3 has no character progression
Stopped reading there, you should be shitting on D3 for its character progression not lack of it. D3 Paragon is the worst endgame progression system in the genre, and the lack of any meaningful bosses aside from GR bosses is insane. Everything in T16 falls over with a decent set.
the overworld matters just as much as it did in diablo 2. ie not at all
D3 has level scaled enemies which for an arpg is the most spectacularly stupid design decision imaginable.
i played poe it was honestly dogshit
Poe is midwit diablo 3. Youre not more unique or intelligent for looking up a meta build in your unnecessary ffx sphere grid levelling system. At the end of the day its a spam ability to clear the whole screen hack and slash. Poe and diablo 3 have identical gameplay
D3 has much better gameplay than PoE
At this point (other than ruthless) they play the exact same
I like diablo 3 more also
Poe has much better bosses, but the rest of the game is shit
D3 is a perfectly fine game now
poe is an overblown carcass with pseudo-deep character customization in which people play the same damn character for every new league until they can actually start "testing" new meta builds and this is somehow lauded "better" than the diablo 3 set item system? youre delusional
>monster density
youve seen parts of the first act only...
>D3 is a perfectly fine game now
Legitimately the worst game in the genre by far
That game is practically an anti-arpg
>D2
>"yes ive run baal 5000 times to get that one item with a slightly better roll"
Stop outing yourself. Running 5000 baal is for extreme endgame leveling, it s a grind which nets you tons of item to make other build or trade. You have a strong and fluctuating economy in d2 and many classes are viable and optimal for different things. Just clearing the game on hell is a challenge and that in itself is most of d2 fun.
>Just clearing the game on hell is a challenge
>Mfw decided to rush and clear it as a summon necro
>Lost souls spawned on the throne of destruction
Thank god summon necro is busted. What a thrill.
Game is full of memorable things. Summon necro and maggot lair though. Oof.
>Maggot lair
>Just clearing the game on hell is a challenge
>he cant go from new character to hell baal dead solo in a sitting
poop sock autists are not people
poopsockers are the ones hitting 99 in the first week or two
clearing all 3 game modes in a single afternoon just means you know how to play the fucking game
Yes I can. I am also not a pretentious gay pretending I was able to on my first or second playthrough of the game. Its like saying darksouls is easy because I don't die on my fourth playthrough
> t. Mr. Speedrunner (she/her)
>knowing how to make a handful of mid level runewords, shop for something like lifetap or lower res wand and slap some ral/orts/thuls into a socket is speedrun behaviour
Like fuck anon lore helm+spirit shield+ and like a treachery or smoke will carry you through the entire game pretty much
not my fault you dont know how to play a 20 year old game
Anon, you're not going to consistently get Smoke or anything similar without farming, what you're talking about? Unless you farm on another character, which is a reasonable thing to do, but let's not pretend that it's still soloing Hell.
I saw Hell speedruns, and the Hell part is constant cheesing, skipping quests, teleporting through enemies and in general avoiding to play the game. Now, why would you avoid playing the game you enjoy?
>without farming
Yes you will be farming, the countess in specific for smoke, the chance is like 1/30 for a lum
you can also farm hell meph or nm meph if really weak for something like a vipermagi
Ok now we've got to farming Meph for Vipermagi. And you're still going to finish the game in one evening. Maybe on a Sorc, yes, not on any other character.
you dont need one but if you suck or have had terrible luck its a very good easy to find item thats an option, I mean fuck a shield with some goddamn diamonds in it can work
and teleport staffs are easy to shop for even if you have to be smart with using it because repair fee
>necro and trapsin can just slap whatever on a merc and corpse explode through 99% of game
>paladin can smite with a shitty black flail or go hammers which dont need anything to kill but QoL sucks without FCR
>sorc can static and use whatever the fuck
>barb actually sucks ass but you can rely on crushing blow but will wall you for gear drops most likely (if you get to hell an obedience polearm is relatively easy to farm for)
>druid goes fire, then wind and casually walks through
>amazon is similiar to barb but with less weapon choice
amazon and barb suck because they lack a way to reliably deal damage without a good weapon and are burdened with AR(singer barb is a fucking meme but berserk is "useable")
Did you not play torchlight 3
No I didnt play any of those games and im glad I didnt
Least contrarian Gankertard
>Where are the crafting options?
retard
why do people get so upset over always online slot machines that have streamer priorities?
Bro its a business model now, its not about anything else. Grow up. Play better games.
Just came to say all ARPGs are dogshit and all spastics play them
D3 made me realize I don't like the endgame loot treadmill every arpg turns into, but at least you could just stop and come back later. D4 battlepass basically adds a penalty for taking a break. But no Grey Delisle wizard = no buy from me.
Who the fuck cares about PoE you little degen lmao? It's dogshit and will never be as good as diablo
The only thing I want from these games is to be able to use WASD to move around. That's it. With that single change I would enjoy them.
Fuck awkwardly clicking around shit to attack and also pick up items and also target your aoes and also-
Fuck that. Give me normal fucking movement.
t. started with Diablo 1 and got fucking sick of the controls
They said they want to add that later. You won Chadanon
>Give me normal fucking movement.
mouse movement is normal movement you RTSlet
It isn't an RTS game, It doesn't make sense for a game where you only control one unit, it's better handled with WASD movement. It definitely should be an option.
Wasd is garbage and only has 8 directions
use a gamepad
just play with a controller you bozo
I know I will. these games are so much more enjoyable with a controller
only the ultra autism zooming of d3 and poe endgame where you go 100 km/h is not really playable via controller
which won't be a thing in d4, at least for vanilla version
but yea they said they might add wasd
if there is no zoom in d4 it's DOA
don't think so, a lot of people are craving for some nicer, slower action
if you want zoomerism, you already have d3 and poe, each game covering specific side of arpg
you can't have a game instantly turn into zoomfest, you have to dangle the balls a bit and increase the speed slowly over time so the playerbase gets used to the game first and then the speed
no they aren't. if you take away what the game had it's slow boring MMO tier shit skills with cooldowns. it'll die fast.
screencap this
Mouse movement is the best for these games. Deal with it.
Dumb KBMshitter
Hades had WASD movement and it was unplayable with kbm
Do you only play mouse games or what?
no, I played it with a controller but it was disappointing to not have that option in an isometric action game
You must be retarded, hades is easy with m+kb
D3 was fun with friends, as long as D4 is fun I don't care for ARPG autism.
>Necro skellies march in formation
this alone is making me feel compelled to pay more attention to it
if only because the skelly army aspect of Necromancer has become a core of the character instead of just a sub specialization
D3 was already excellent. I don't think D4 can top it but it will be interesting to see.
PoE is absolutely dreadful. Their season gimmicks are terrible. D3 mogged PoE so hard.
Diablo is meant to be shallow, no one cares about theory crafting and staring at excel sheets, have sex incel.
Blizzard hasn't made games since 2016, a fucking game company that doesn't make a game in 7 years. What do you expect from them?
They just made overwatch 2
Dota has more changes in big patches than overshit 2 but it doesn't claim that this is new dota game.
overwatch 2 isnt a new game.
it was a patch that added 1 new character 1 new map removed one teammate per team and paywalled all the old characters.
That is not a new game. I hate blizzdrones. Lord please save this retarded frogposter.
>They just made overwatch 2
>just made
PFFFFF HAHAHAHAHA
Hahahaha
I really look forward to D4, the changes they showed looked like fun.
Am I alone in this?
It looks better than D3 at least which is good
Blizzard should just give the IP to From Software and let them do a not braindead game.
>r1r1r1r1r1r1
cope
PoE is dogshit
>Why arent they making it more like PoE?
They literally are. The whole live service idea of D4 will mimic PoE with 1 big patch every season every 3rd month.
Thats actually one positive development, and I should have mentioned it in the OP.
Its not gameplay oriented change but still a very welcomed change
i'm not paying 100$+USD to beta test every few months
Paying for what? The updates are free
d4 is free to play?
D4 costs $100+?
it will after you buy the FOMO junk
acti-blizz knows their consumers
Just because you buy everything they dangle infront of you doesn't mean everyone does
>Just because you buy
I do not.
millions will.
So why do you say it costs $100+?
game is 70+?
season pass is 30+?
I myself am willing to give PoE 2 a go. not hoping for much though.
I learned my lesson with D3. (that is what led me to PoE)
haven't played poe since the start of covid so i guess that was around 2019.
>still have my kiwi pet/beta poe account
Oh wait, you had expectations? From a Blizzard game? In 2023?
even if D4 is nothing but D3 with a paint job it's still gonna mog Path of Excrement hard
will chris wilson be able to handle the streamer exodus to d4?
they don't have to actually try and make a good game
it will sell millions no matter how bad the game is
>Playing a GaaS slotmachine addiction simulator with trash gameplay
No thanks, my eyes have been opened. Diablo was only ever fun when it was innovative and new
>PoE
so running around at sonic speed and spamming one single skill that is clearing whole screen of enemies and some beyond the screen?
amazing gameplay 10/10
Its funny because the devs hate that its become like this but with all the massive nerfs to skills they've done to try and fix it its made their pet project mode (ruthless) unplayable with some skills due to them being so badly nerfed that they cant even progress through the acts
the devs hate it and the fucking hilarious thing is
>they don't know why
see, ZOOO ZOOOM GO FAST came into being for one simple reason
>you gotta pull the slot machine handle as many times as you can to be successful
makes me lmaoing at the shit they created
PoE and GGG are great examples of what happens when you let the super fans of a game or genre try and make their own game. Starts out fairly well but after a while they add more and more dumb shit until it spirals out of control and they have idea what to do with it. Think 'PoE 2' is their way of hitting the reset button
PoE 2 will only be a reset if they add an offline mode and make it pay to play.
They won't, and they will only repeat the cycle.
PoE 2 isn't a reset button it's a new campaigne. The end game is still going to be the same atlas PoE 1 uses.
Let's hope they balance PoE2 better. I sometimes feel like starting a new character in PoE, but I'm postponing this until PoE2 release.
>2023
>still talking about blizzshart "games"
Which 3 classes are in the early beta? I might go to KFC if necro is in
sorc barb rogue
Necro and druid are in the 2nd beta
What a shame
Do I get a second character or am I stuck with the one?
It's Blizzard. They can never fail because people will still shill for them, no matter what they do.
PoE is a terrible game so there's nothing to learn from it.
D4 is closer to D2 than D3 is, and that's a step in the right direction. Everything else doesn't matter.
Euthanize all PoE autists.
Don't forget to collect your daily login reward bonus to claim your extra infernal points for the monthly season reward track
>already triggered and going neck-deep into his schizo ramblings
the truth really does hurt
D4 is a generic modern GaaS, don't delude yourself
keep seething, poe animal
your game will never be good, even D3 is more fun lol
I don't even play poe, I don't play GaaS shit full stop. If your only defense against gaastrash is foaming at the mouth about some other game means you've already went full brainrot. Concession accepted.
>enters a thread about games he supposedly doesn't even play
ebin Gankerermin
>D4 is closer to D2 than D3
How?
its a return to darkness and its going to sell millions of copies
quality is irrelevant
POE has tons and tons of flaws though. I could write an entire 300 page essay on how much shit is fucked up in POE.
Sure Blizzard could learn a thing or two from POE but stop acting like its the gold standard for arpg's
>need 20 wiki pages open
>30 crafting tutorials open
>some grooming discord crafting service
>a least one tab in browser to search trade if that is your thing (or game addon)
>etc etc etc
in the end people just look up youtube tutorials i guess?
What are the system requirements for D4 Ultra 1080p?
Had 200 fps with my old 2060s and intel 12000
probably slightly above recommended
Huh, I'm surprised. Guess they really went out of their way to let it run on toasters
>SSD with 90gb of free space
I remember when Modern Warfare 2 came out and was like 5-10gb or something and thinking things were getting ridiculous.
This is just taking this piss. I guess it's a good filter for SEA and south america at least.
ssd are cheap af nowadays tho
mw2 is 150 or +
>mw2 is 150 or +
I'm talking about the original game not the chud remake.
what in the flying fuck
it was 40~ gb the first time they showed specs
now it's 90? how do you fucking double it just like that wtf
45gb is for the betas this month, with limited content. endgame beta without campaign was 70gb last year. 90gb is for release
yes
upgrade ASAP Anon don't belave that shit
I hate it when they do this
>here is the minimum and this is all that you need
>the game gets released
>tons of problems
>you search online "have any..one experience this?.."
>freezes/crashes to desktop
>you search more and find a fix on the subreddits
>finally I can play now
>DEVS release an updated patch 1.9
>more problems
ITT: contrarian retards who are still crying that diablo 3 was the best diablo
This game is gonna break sales records, everyone will play it and the only place that's gonna seethe about it is here because you all have dogshit taste and hate fun. Also to the 2 people who are unironically asking for poe like systems, why?
Poe is a terrible game, so terrible it got mogged by a shitty Korean p2w arpg (lost ark) how fucked in the head do you have to be to think that absolute meme game is in any way redeemable
Make sure to buy the monthly premium season pass to actually unlock the good looking armor sets!
Looks dope thanks colonel sanders!
Cry harder
Maybe, but i will often use the also very good looking dropped armor skins.
PoE has a million armor sets on the store what's your point 3rd world animal?
oh right, it's F2P so it's okay that there's 5000+ of them on there, based GGG
sorry sweatie, this has been DEBOONKED
wait if left is the earned armor why do they all look like cash shop items?
its a cash shop genre game
Not gonna lie, the right side barb is much cooler.
lol the one on the left is holding his sword likes it's a torch
jesus christ they know what they are doing to get people to pay
Right barb is better
Left necromancer is better
I don't really like either of the rogue outfits
yeah, somehow I don't trust that the best looking armor will NOT be behind a paywall. In fact, I am convinced that post-release, 99% of non-just-recollored, unique models, will in fact be only accessible behind a paywall
> Game costs 70 Euro
> 30 Euro more for a "full" game
> Have to pay subscription to get "rewards" and play the full game
Wtf is with these levels of greed?
Make sure to get the deluxe edition of the expansion for just €45 in 16 months
it will come with my purchase
>Free EXP boost
We'll see about that. It might be one of those deals where, yeah you can get the free track stuff for, well, free. But if you purchase you get more & faster. So we might still end up in a situation where buying it leaves you with more exp boost than a "free" player.
Keep in mind you'll be expected to fork over 10 bucks on the regular, with no major expansion for it. 10 bucks in D3 gives you the Necromancer class (on sale). In D4, you will have to fork over 10 bucks regularly and all you get is fucking cosmetics, that depending on where they are in the pass, you won't even get, if after paying you don't actually find time to play.
np friend, paid for ultimate with wow gold for me and all my friends
hopefully there's ways to unlock the premium BP just by playing and it's not real money only
yes I care about my character's fashion and it's part of why I dislike poe
If you do all the weekly quests, without missing even a single one, you get enough currency for one battle pass every two seasons
I'm not joking
that's gonna be the only thing they learned from PoE.
>hey we can sell armor sets.
I'm just now getting around to D3 so it will probably be years before I play D4
Don't do it anon
based
season 28 is actually fun
necro chads where we at?
>d3
>chad
Nope
Thinking of trying the $20 version of D3. How bad is it?
it's good for about 200 hours of fun in s28
It's the worst diablo game and one of the worst blizzard games ever created. The story is a mockery of diablo lore and actively goes out of it's way to shit on beloved characters in the franchise. Don't waste your time.
thats because diablo is a girl this time, so he talks way too much
Im already done with s28
>did all of altar by day 4
>almost entirely ancient gear by last weekend+caldessans augments
>clearing GR125 in under 10 minutes and dont feel like churnin through thousands of drops for slightly better shit at this point
>dont feel like churnin through thousands of drops for slightly better shit
Why did you buy a Diablo game?
ive already churned through thousands of drops
now I need those same drops but with 50% crit instead of 46%
And greater rifts stop being fun after 30 hours
>no primals
ngmi
GR150 cap is dumb, at least give GR200 since they won't add new content.
post your 150 clear
Still amazed how faithfully they were able to bring the necro gameplay into 3
>season 28
>finsh a challenge
>prize is not showing in the mailbox
>it's a bug
I don't think d3 will last that long unless you really enjoy the grind
gameplay is good and fun but there's not much variety or things to work towards
I wanted to play necro but I'm not paying for it
if it was 5$ sure
but yea season is fun, I'm nearing 100 hours
I was originally gonna play Crusader but they received 0 love this season and I fucking hate the valor set for the gift so I noped out
phalanx bowmen condemn spam would have been fun
Path of Exile > all other ARPGs
Sorry, nerds. Nothing comes close in terms of loot, build diversity, bossing, crafting.
>game is so shit and dead that josh strife hayes had to make a cope video about how ackshually it's a good thing it only has 5 players
lol lmao
garbage game, even last epoch BTFOs it
game so terrible even the devs are embarrassed of it
I tried last epoch recently. I played for 5 minutes and I couldn't take it anymore.
>crafting
>literal slot machine
LE's system is better by miles
>Why arent they making it more like PoE
Because poe has like 100k players tops and then it dwindles down to maybe 10k
They want to make a game that will be played by millions.
>It's like they learned nothing from PoE. Zilch, zero.
They don't have to learn anything from PoE. Diablo 3 is the most succesful game in the franchise and they're going to make a new one like that. You aren't the target audience.
Predictions for class balance?
My guess is
>sorcerer and Necro are dogshit because blizzard are autistic and allergic to making magic good
>rogue will be the most broken class in game forever
Hydra is strong af
and BloodExplosion or whatever its name is is OP too
barb will be the defacto best class for the first 6 months then be dumpster tier for the rest of the game
Necro will be good but feel like shit to play, summons will be unviable and die too quickly or not do enough damage
sorc will be topdog farming character because the enchantment system
feel like it will be the opposite, barb will start out weak but get really strong once it fills all of its weapon slots with strong uniques
necro will start out strong because minions are less dependant on gear (imagine that CHRISU WIRUSON)
This, barb always sucks early on in blizzard games and becomes meta or broken once fully geared.
that Arsenal Shit Barb has will make them a pain in the ass to gear but most likely a powerhouse when someone manages to do it
necro and wiz have by far the strongest builds in d3 atm
Hot take:
The reason Diablo became shit is because they started creating the game to be released on consoles. Due to the lack of buttons on a controller the game gets dumbed down
Diablo 1 was on console. Like ps1
Diablo was never hard. Poe isn't hard either. The gameplay isn't good, engaging or fun either. It's nothing more than a skinnerbox. You're the boomer at the slot machines and the rewards are new funkopop skins.
why are they always white, overweight, have beards, and need glasses?
>black hair
>black eyes
>no visible veins
>white
maybe in muttland
muh aryanism
White people do not have brown or black eyes, that’s like the most basic fucking definition you can get. Do you also walk around calling those nightmarish halfcaste morons with pale skin and red hair “white”?
>inb4 “poos have hazel eyes sometimes!” etc
I didn’t say nonwhites never have colored eyes, I said whites **always** do.
anon, xiv has 30 buttons and it's on consoles
all games in this genre have like 5~ spells and a potion or two
this is perfectly manageable on controller
What about Grim Dawn though?
It's going to take a handsome prince to awaken you from grim yawn
I preferred it. And to a lesser extent Titan Quest. For me its never about "endgame", I like playing through with different characters and builds. Did the same back with D2. Never bothered with D3. This shit is not for me any more.
I don't think there was anything to learn from poe except don't have currency bloat and don't have item pinata to the point you need a loot filter
I should go replay pic related I loved it
I remember being scared shitless of this game as a kid
Something about the setting and the models really freaked me out
the only gripe I really had with it was the passive trees not really being distinct between the classes
i still have my red boxed copy
game is a lot of fun, although a bit tedious
it does take a while to craft ridiculously overpowered weapons but back when it had multiplayer that was something to strive for so you could dunk on random people in their own castle
Already pre-purchased the ultimate edition.
Semi-related but does anyone know how you can tell when you're constipated?
They're making the right choice. PoE is for ARPG autismos. Blizzard makes games for the kind of normalfags who get intimidated when they see PoE's skill tree. Why would they compete over a smaller audience who'll hold them accountable to making a good game when there are billions of casual retards who'll forgive anything if you let them dress up their character as Goku (for a nominal fee)?
YAAAASS I GOT THE ITEM THAT GIVES ME +2% DAMAGE
300 hours of great entertainment!
oof poechud seething about his dead chud game
>Why would they compete over a smaller audience
The core of modern western AAA game development.
>Target demographic
>MTX
>Pay to progress
>Market share
>Success markers
>Battlepass
>Lowest common denominator
the only thing thats possible to learn from POE is "how to make a bad game" gottem
Not being like PoE is a plus, PoE is dogshit lmao
they just shit it out to gain what little good will they can get. go back raping girls blizzard.
wdym, they stole hideouts and the mtx business model WITH a box price.
This fucking kills me, how this has become normal.
AAA price tag for a fucking ARPG is bullshit to start with, and then battlepasses and cashshop shit on top iof that? Haha why not just fuck my ass while you're at it and I'm in.
would rather pay upfront box price and get decent looking game with decent looking gear than f2p like poe where every character and gear piece looks like a turd
I spent over $500 on Lost Ark and I hated that game
Will gladly spend at least double that on D4 if it's actually decent
They're not doing it to take your money, it's so they can keep supporting the game after release.
Does this mean every new Class/Expansion for D4 will be free then? You still have to pay for RoS/Necromancer in D3 right now
Of course not, 70-150$ is just to get your foot in the door at launch. Everything after that will be an extra charge. Enjoy.
That's what the microtransactions are for. Games full of them are supposed to be free. That's the trade off. You either pay and get the full game or the game is free and they nickle and dime you for everything. Somewhere along the way the social contract was broken and now they think they can double dip and charge you full price and full microtransactions and because everyone is a cuck who can't say now to current thing they get away with it.
I still remember e-boing at some early d3 forum post because shitters who never touched an arpg were mad they had to actually check the stats of rares and how awful it was
>It's like they learned nothing from PoE
He thinks blizzard devs plays games KEK
>It's like they learned nothing from PoE. Zilch, zero.
And that's a good thing.
weren't PoEfags fed up with the devs for all the shit decisions they made?
why are they pretending PoE is good suddenly?
Can't escape the maze.
people who play poe hate it
/v/tards who don't play videogames praise it because it "filters the normies"
>people who PLAY poe hate it
Yeah they complain and then play more because they can't stop playing it. Once you've actually learned the systems in PoE you will always come back.
False. I started playing during beta but even I can tell the bloat the last few years is bullshit and I havent played it since. The people still playing are just waiting for something better to come along, which is probably what D4 is.
>the last few years is bullshit and I havent played it since
Wait when did you last play it?
I dont remember exactly but probably 2-3 years
>I dont remember exactly but probably 2-3 years
It's ok anon i won't judge you when you play PoE 2
>Once you've actually learned the systems in PoE you will always come back.
Lies. It's been like 6 leagues since I last played.
t. ~6500 hours
pretty much the only way they could make diablo 4 worse is by copying poe
Get woke, go broke
MODS anon we have MODS
D4 is online only
for better or worse they want a different audience to the überautists who actually like poe's crafting system
It's looking alright so far, I just hope they go with less reliance on full sets
sets aren't in at all at launch
devs said they want to make them intermediate items you'll use for leveling and shit
So utility/comfy stuff like craftable sets from D3? Sounds good. Cain's set was godly for early seasons.
I don't mind that. Been doing adventure/season for the first time, saw the full set you get from finishing the journey and was like what the fuck isn't that a bit overboard
Yeah Diablo 3 sets get really fucking retarded
>just add a bazillion damage multiplier the kids like big numbers right?
Blizzard has been creatively bankrupt for 20 years.
the design is 'come up with a playstyle, then pump up numbers so that it works at higher difficulties'. fist of the heavens for example actually plays a lot like trapzon did in diablo 2.
of course the theoretical best build in the game doesn't use set bonuses.
the alternative is to keep leveling up and increasing your damage that way but nobody wants to level to 99
I'm glad diablo 4 is going back to a level cap
I'm sick of the same fucking classes for 25 years. I can't believe there isn't a single new class in the game. Like we're going to be playing wizard/rogue/barb a thousand years from now when diablo 666 releases.
Yeah I wish they did something new for this. Good to keep tradition going but it feels boring (even if it isn't)
I'm fine with the core classes being staples but to not have a single new class to play on release is abysmal even for nublizzard standards.
and yet people are just asking for the paladin to be added next
what other classes should they add though that bring something new to the table?
doesn't have to be paladin or crusader but i do want a holyman archetype that smites shit with light and lightning
I want polearm new horadrim holy user
It's not our jobs to do their work for them but idk. Maybe add a like a spellsword kind of character like the magus from pathfinder/3.5e duskblade
Outside of paladins there's a severe lack "melee sorcerers" and magical warriors
what else do you want?
they did most of the archetypes
the only thing left is some specific thematic stuff like samurai maybe but that isn't exact fit for a western themed game
then again they had indian monks and zimbabwe witch doctors...
so actually yea, I want a samurai. Rogue is already semi ninja in d4
sorry anon anything with a big budget has to be a safe bet reliant on activating people's nostalgia neurons
>casually just figures out the entire genre, build, route for you to take
the whole time time I was having fake fun.....?
Yes you just thought you were having fun, hope you learned your lesson
>It's like they learned nothing from PoE.
Good.
I just wish these games had more action depth or tactical depth
Action depth is stuff like timings, evasion, aim, etc and tactical depth would be skills which were more situational, monsters with complex behavior, more long-term resource usage in dungeons and such
someone should make a noita clone with diablo loot and a bigger world
noita is actual garbage
played that shit for 90 minutes and refunded it despite it being basically free
by far the worst excuse for a roguelike i've ever had the displeasure of playing
I'm a Diablo 3 fag.
Can someone explain to me why are Diablo 2 fags obsessed with Path of Retards?
I think originally it was about poe not looking so much like wow but has since been bastardized
still bought Diablo 4
trannies seethe
preload when
does it come with a bottle of lilith's breast milk?
if only, anon. what would that taste like?
not soon enough
>chase PoE and attempt to replicate it
>people can simply play PoE
WOW
>PoE
PoE and PoE players can go fuck themselves.
There's a very loud vocal minority for ARPGs who are INTENSELY autistic and scream from the top of their lungs: "EVERYTHING HAS TO BE LIKE D2 OR MORE OBTUSE OR IT'S NOT GUD!!!!"
They want inventory tetris, they want no respecs, they want shitty grimdark realism graphics that are too dark to fucking see anything. they want every every single thing to be as annoying and unintuitive as fucking possible. To the point that you can't fucking play PoE unless you follow a god damn guide. At least in Diablo 3 you have a reasonable chance of finding a set and just fucking figuring it out.
I mean look at the PoE skill tree. It's a fucking abomination. Some 1300 skills. Jesus christ. For what? Most of the nodes in the tree are flat stat increases that other games make you click a + on you character sheet on, PoE shifted that shit into a tree and everyone loses their fucking mind. And what is the result? Everyone runs fucking cookie cutter builds figured out by a minority of players in the community that then everyone else just follows. Great fucking system.
PoE unironically can go eat a giant dick. They made a game fucking ass backwards and are now proud of how unimpenetrable it is. Congratulations you ruined a whole genre.
>they want shitty grimdark realism graphics that are too dark to fucking see anything.
Diablo 2 wasn't even a very dark game aside from a few areas wtf are you talking about? There were grassy plains, deserts, mountains and snowy areas. At least half or more of the game was outside in the sun.
Not to mention the insanely high saturation on all spell effects and bright lighting.
they say this because they spent all their time doing mephisto and countess runs and afk in act 1 spamming wug in trades
>At least in Diablo 3 you have a reasonable chance of finding a set and just fucking figuring it out
lol
lmao
You want to be handheld like a literal child. D3 couldn't be simpler if it tried. The game is made for babies to connect the colors. You would have to be purposefully trying to fuck it up or be confused about anything. You want a streamlined bing bing wahoo experience where you never have to engage a single braincell just click on the moving objects and collect the shiny jpg.
>poe player
>talks about using his brain
The noob traps in poe are obvious if you have played the game for a few years. Not stepping into them isn't exactly rocket science either.
>dead after 2 months
Diablo died with Blizzard North.
watch you'll have to scrap all the beta files and re-download the entire game when it comes out because blizz are full of hacks
It'll get praised for its streamlined simplicity but give it a month post release and people will be bored out of their minds. Who the fuck wants to log into an ARPG for shit like dailies and act farming with no content.
Have they said how much the premium battle pass bullshit will cost?
10 dollaridoos
Huh, i expected more. I expected the monetization to be much worse but I guess that will come with time
it will probably have tier skips (like valorant) so dumbasses will buy the BP every month thinking theyre getting a good deal, not play enough to complete it then end up spending another 15 buckaroos when they realise they're not going to get the ebin emote at the end of the pass.
games these days give you full battlepass levels/xp but you have to buy to unlock it
so you can buy it on the last day and unlock everything if you played enough
but... this is pro consumer, so we'll have to see how it's implemented
not sure how OW's battlepass system works
What's even in it?
it's got a free side and a pay side like genshin and other games. the free side has shit like exp boosts and the pay side has cosmetics and premium currency for the cosmetic shop
I don't understand Diablo style games anyway.
They're so fucking easy. I nearly fell asleep playing Grim Dawn, just running around spamming one 1-2 skills, on highest available difficulty.
Why are these games like this? Why not make easy and hard mode? I get that these games are a power fantasy but how many times can you kill same mobs over and over again without any resistance and not lose your mind?
99% of games are piss easy. People play Diablo as a loot simulator and for character/gear progression.
Idk why goysloppers expect nu-diablo to be good when it has nothing to do with the original diablo/blizzard team
It's fucking chinkware
Act 2 Diablo 2 is the best act and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
This except act 1. Best music too, love that percussion. Real fucking shame Uelmen left
>anons on Ganker makes fun of casuals and normies for ruining video games and making them retard proof
>Diablo 3 is praised on this board constantly
>Diablo 4 chilling at an hall time high
Also
>PoE bad because it's too bloated and too complicated
>GrimYawn is boring and too complicated
>Last Epoch is too complicated and hard
inb4
>"duude Ganker is not a hivemind"
Ganker is not one person, retard
gd is not complicated at all
it's the most braindead "arpg" of them all
your endgame build literally consists of 1 or maybe 2 skills
4 chilling at an hall time high
what did they mean by this?
anon, it's simple: is it fun?
aside from shitty poe gameplay (they were geniuses and copied 2 decades old game), I wouldn't mind the massive talent tree and whatever other systems there are
if I could reset them reasonably and experiment. Instead you're forced to either autistically plan it ahead via spreadsheets or just copy a build online... or just make a new character LOL
that's not fun.
You could have just said
>Ganker hates everything
>last Epoch too complicated
I hear that it's actually too easy and that doesn't matter if you build the right skills
It's literally shills.
No one was talking about D3 and even when Ganker was it was nothing positive.
SuHispaniciously this all turned around when D4 is approaching release and suddenly Immortal wasn't that bad, and D3 was actually good.
Strange!
Expect to see discussions of D4 to miraculously vanish after a week or two post launch.
>Last Epoch is too complicated and hard
The main story is too easy aside from 2 bosses though. Who is actually saying it's too hard? Yeah T4 dungeons are pretty hard but it's endgame uber tier shit, thats the point. Building isn't even hard, you just take the big multipliers on whatever you want to use as your main damage skill.
>fights aren't zoom-zoomy
>visuals are nice
>there looks to be sufficient customizability and room for making builds and theorycrafting, esp with the paragon board
>also looks to be more mechanically demanding than D2
>campaign is open-ended and is pretty much the endgame loop already
I'm sure they'll somehow pull the rug from the audience's feet once they reveal the battle pass but everything so far seems decent enough. Even items feel fine, people meme about muh attack/defense but from everything seen yet they don't seem to be as definitive for your item as they were in D3.
aren't zoom-zoomy
Early d3 trailers looked the same way. Blizzard can't help themselves. In 6 months we'll be screen teleporting across the world and you won't even see what you are fighting as your room wide aoe explosions auto wipe everything and your pet auto collects everything and your dopamine receptors are completely fried.
so like diablo 2 endgame then
Yeah but it was cool back then because we were all young and dumb and full of cum. Also you had to work for it instead of being able to do it day 1.
1.09 was a disaster for diablo 2
Good, the optimal way to play is also the most fun.
It's not good gameplay because 99% of players quit after maxing out their character in 2-3 days. People aren't going to stick around paying for subscriptions if it has the same gameplay loop as d3.
Here's the secret, Diablo is made for about 5% of the customers, 95% is fomo purchases.
restricting respeccing is seriously killing my hope for the skill system.
calling it now, respeccing is going to be tied to a cash purchase. you get like 3 for free and after that you can either grind crystals or swipe swipe swipe
It costs gold.
also isn't it free until like level 20 or something and then the gold cost depends on your level
Not free, but at low lvls it costs almost nothing, slowly increasing with char lvl. Still pretty cheap until like 80 or 90
There are 4 free stash tabs
It's gonna be stash space that'll cost money. Just wait. They'll worm out of it because "it's not power." You'll get one free stash tab, and the paid BP will have extra three or so, that'll become remove-only after the season is over so you have to buy the next BP.
they will lower the cost if people get annoyed by it, just like they did with wow
i mean the whole thing is that they just JUST finished learning this lesson with WoWs covenants, why would they ignore the lesson that beat them over the head for 3 years straight and was nothing but massive negative feedback?
because d2/poe autists want to be punished for experimenting builds, so they took notice of that and thought it's a good idea
they will walk back on it sooner or later, since d4 is not aimed at those people at all from the looks of it
It'll most likely be prohibitive only if you want to do a full respec. Correcting a few nodes you tried but didn't work out should not be too demanding.
why restrict it at all though?
gives your build more meaning if you're forced to commit to it
>manage to pick all the wrong or underpowered/bugged skills
>damn i'm so glad i wasted 50 hours of my life on this build, so much meaning!
>all the underpower/bugged
hasn't been as prevalent since everyone's favorite: D2
>ALL the underpowered/bugged skills
highly unlikely even if there are some- you're bound to pick stuff that works. and if you can't see that some skills are working better than others and invest in those... git gud? the game isn't obligated to make you powerful becuase you chose skills willy nilly.
>the game isn't obligated to make you powerful becuase you chose skills willy nilly.
i'm here to have fun not ace a test moron
>i'm here to have fun not ace a test moron
Wrong game then. You can be nightmare capped in D2 if you build like shit and master capped in D3.
POE is even worse. At least D3 lets you swap around, I guess.
It seems generous enough that if you do this you're retarded and deserve a shitty build.
apocryphal nonsense
its just going to give players feelbads for poorly allocated points, discourage experimentation, and punish trying a new build with excessive grinding. you're going to get stuck in a build simply because its too much of a pain in the ass to work for the gold needed to switch with any regularity
>Correcting a few nodes you tried but didn't work out should not be too demanding.
it is per-point.
even at L100 a few points are kinda cheap. but cant fully respect many times per day
D2 respec system was pretty good
>1 free respec per difficulty in case you run into problems
>can respec infinitely later by killing the main bosses
they should make it even less restricitve in D4 though since it seems to have much more options to build your character
if respeccing is too expensive, everyone will just go with the cookie cutter build from youtube instead of trying things out by yourself
it was shit. it was one of the most frustrating things about D2 by far. it was so bad they made up a cheat program just to get around it called shadowmaster
are you really too young to remember this?
i'm talking about the current state of D2 retardbro
it didn't have respecs at all at launch, and later on you could either easily farm the essences yourself or trade them for like a pul rune
limited or charged respecs is just a shitty design loop thats only purpose is to make you grind out more time on the game because you made a mistake. it actively harms experimentation and playing with builds and forces players into repetitive gameplay loops to either grind out respec resources like gold or tokens or whatever, or spend even more time leveling fresh characters
its just a pain point with no upside
PoE is too confusing for the simplistic/easy to use mass market. See all the extremely salty Gankertrannies seething about it every time it gets brought up. Or god forbid, gets positive remarks
Shut up paypig, you will pay and you will play
>It's like they learned nothing from PoE.
good that game is a boring snooze fest
>As I see it this game will be dead after 2 months
the delusion is remarkable. it will sell millions and people will play it for the next 10 years same as diablo 3.
Blizzard had died years ago. All good people left it.
Pozzard is largely incompetent diversity hires controlled by accountants who demand more profits for shareholders.
Good thing all the competition is incompetent too
>waaah give me more arbitrary stats that automatically make an item shit or not then layer that to make it shit for my class or not
you don't understand. the game has to be hard for other people to play
this game looks like a copy/paste of a generic chinese game on the gameplay videos. it's hard to explain but the animations look like absolute ass and worse than diablo 3
probably because blizzard doesn't hire on merit anymore
What a weird lie
why even spout such nonsense?
go read/watch the dev blog about animations and see how much effort went into it and how good it looks
they even went full autismo with hitboxes, which I don't think any other game did
>they even went full autismo with hitboxes
Explain
>The animations are bad? No way, the devs themselves said they are good. You are wrong.
interesting post
A modern action rpg should have more satisfying combat than PoE does, and it should be much slower so it's not just spamming.
>so it's not just spamming
But most D3 builds just spam too, and the builder/spender + CD shit they seem to be going for in D4 is MMO shit that's even worse.
>learned nothing about PoE
I don't understand why people are so obsessed with PoE and its "make a build where you dash at light speed and everything on screen dies" gameplay. It's one of the more boring ARPGs, even D3 can be more fun to play despite not actually being a Diablo game.
Slow it down, make it more about dodging and aiming and being methodical.
Keep bringing up Gamepass, drives the marketing department insane.
The last closed beta was kinda fun
I'm a little worried about the game's longevity but the combat feels pretty solid
>what POEcels think it's a compelling game
No thanks.
Keep coping as much as you want, D3 was one of the most successful games of all time and it still has more players than POE after all these years and even after all the hate.
Nobody wants an excel sheet simulator. Keep playing your souless indie P2W trash and KYS.
There have been more bad Diablo games than good one.
Search your heart. You know it be true.