>How did deltarune avoid attracting the same amount of autism and insanity that undertale did?
It literally fricking did, maybe worse, and it's not even "completed" yet.
Literally just being removed from the Tumblrites driving people to suicide.
Nearly all the autism is completely neutered, and all they can do is scream into the void that Kris is called "They" in the script.
This also defangs morons using that shit to try and shit up threads.
Children aren't the majority because they're all holed up in games like Roblox, Minecraft, Fortnite and Friday Night Funkin'.
Meanwhile most the Deltarune autists were former autistic Undertale kiddies, and are thus aware of how they caused Undertale to be "cringe" and don't want a repeat of that, so they keep their autism and degeneracy on the downlow.
>and are thus aware of how they caused Undertale to be "cringe"
You mean the steven universe lesbian worship Black folk.
That came by because they were getting in trouble for trying to kill people.
The ones that are gone to other shit because Steven Universe is ded
It did you moron but it also didn't because there is entertainment literally everywhere and children are more likely to browse tiktok or play a f2p game than invest themselves in something like Deltarune.
Children aren't the majority because they're all holed up in games like Roblox, Minecraft, Fortnite and Friday Night Funkin'.
Meanwhile most the Deltarune autists were former autistic Undertale kiddies, and are thus aware of how they caused Undertale to be "cringe" and don't want a repeat of that, so they keep their autism and degeneracy on the downlow.
anyone saying otherwise are trying to push an agenda.
I haven't really played Deltarune because I hate episodic shit but didn't Toby Fox give out the first chapter for free and the most recent chapter for free because he was trying to be nice for Covid poorgays? That was nice of him. But still, frick episodic games.
Yeah if you want he's got an itchio page and/or you can grab it from steam.
Bear in mind if you're playing on linux, you'll need to grab DXVK or a certain room late in chapter 2 will not function properly.
Toby says he intended to release the game all at once, but
1. Chapter 1 was released as a demo because he was trying to make the game more or less on his own like Undertale but realized he was in way over his head and needed to find a team
2. Chapter 2 was released for free because of COVID and because the team wanted to put something out after three years of basically nothing (while they experimented with moving the game to another engine and then COVID fricked everything up)
3. In the future, Chapters 3-5 and (presumably) 6-7 will be released together (paid) because Toby now sees this as the best compromise between complete vs episodic release and the devs (and fans) wanting to see the results of their work sooner than later
I wanna check this game out, but I don't feel like playing undertale(because I have it spoiled pretty much completely)
But even the game's website tells me to play undertale first
So, Ganker, should I?
As long as you're familiar with Undertale, knowing the characters and understanding the setting, that's fine. There's not much to be gained by actually playing through it yourself, aside from appreciating how much smoother Deltarune's battle system is.
It's "a game to play after Undertale" because a big part of your intended experience with the game is noticing and thinking about what's different from Undertale (and what's not so different).
Ok, frick it, how long is it? I'm only gonna do one route, the pacifist one
>it's objectively the best part of the game.
The only people who say this are people that only watched it on youtube.
It is precision engineered to be painfully unfun.
>The only people who say this are people that only watched it on youtube.
Nah I beat it 2 times and had a great time. >It is precision engineered to be painfully unfun.
I had more fun grinding mobs than doing stupid puzzles tho
2 years ago
Anonymous
Genocide is much better, but without the context of neutral/pacifist route it kind of doesn't make sense
It's like 8 hours tops
Don't listen to [...] he's moronic
Genocide is way shorter but you 100% don't do it until you've done everything else. How long it takes you depends on how much you struggle with the superbosses but reasonable estimate is like 2-4 hours.
Oh, I know genocide fricks up your game
I told you, I've got a lot of major stuff spoiled over the years. endings and such
It's less about "fricks up your game" and more about the themes of the story, but yeah
The vast majority of people knew how it worked going in and just did Pacifist->True Pacifist into Genocide
There's a lot of cool stuff you can only see in Neutral routes but it's a lot easier to just look it up on Youtube instead of playing the whole game over again just for some minor variations
2 years ago
Anonymous
7 years on, I think it's a mistake to have the main trailer for Steam Undertale be "PACIFIST OR GENOCIDE" or whatever it is in big letters. Neutral route has a lot going on and the trailer should just not let coming generations know true pacifist is possible. That said, Undyne dying a miserable death in neutral made me cry after years of having never done neutral.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This is most likely the reason why deltarune advertizes that its going to have one ending. Still it looks like majority are going to do mostly just full blown genocide/pacifist playthroughs, but that's because people are moronic
2 years ago
Anonymous
Is it really all that moronic to do the equivalent of intentionally finishing Sonic the Hedgehog without picking up the chaos emeralds first? Sure, you lose a little something but that's a reason to play again, if you want to.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I am fairly interested in the middle of the road route were you attack everyone but don't do the weird route shenanigans after seeing Berdly lose his arm in that route
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's just numb when he wakes up, but yeah that was a very interesting tidbit. 3-5 cannot come out soon enough.
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I always did the neutral route first in Undertale and Deltarune while going in completely blind.
Having a bitter ending in Undertale where Undyne desperately tries to not die and nearly everyone was dead was so much more meaningful than being told to not hurt the precious pixels and get the best ending first try.
Deltarune was pretty great too where, in chapter 1, I just had to leave quickly because everyone hated me and I thought that was the only option. Then in chapter 2, seeing everything mostly ok but Berdley losing his arm and the Queen looking around Castle Town and finding none of her subjects there really hit hard
It really is the way to play. Not like it takes that much longer to do another route afterwards
>Having a bitter ending in Undertale where Undyne desperately tries to not die and nearly everyone was dead was so much more meaningful than being told to not hurt the precious pixels and get the best ending first try.
I don't think you understand Undertale's aspect of being pure escapism.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Even then, Toby seems to be cooking up some really interesting stuff for those that dare tread all over the place.
There's the Twisted Sword which requires the Thorn Ring, but you can't keep it if you commit to Snowgraving Berdly, so you need to abort the route on him and take it back before Noelle leaves the party later on.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Also if I remember right, doesn't freezing things NOT break the bonds with them preventing you from becoming friends with everyone?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Freezing things doesn't break bonds yeah. They're literally just freezing, not dying. Snowgrave is FATAL.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Is it really all that moronic to do the equivalent of intentionally finishing Sonic the Hedgehog without picking up the chaos emeralds first? Sure, you lose a little something but that's a reason to play again, if you want to.
I am fairly interested in the middle of the road route were you attack everyone but don't do the weird route shenanigans after seeing Berdly lose his arm in that route
I always did the neutral route first in Undertale and Deltarune while going in completely blind.
Having a bitter ending in Undertale where Undyne desperately tries to not die and nearly everyone was dead was so much more meaningful than being told to not hurt the precious pixels and get the best ending first try.
Deltarune was pretty great too where, in chapter 1, I just had to leave quickly because everyone hated me and I thought that was the only option. Then in chapter 2, seeing everything mostly ok but Berdley losing his arm and the Queen looking around Castle Town and finding none of her subjects there really hit hard
It really is the way to play. Not like it takes that much longer to do another route afterwards
2 years ago
Anonymous
>was so much more meaningful than being told to not hurt the precious pixels and get the best ending first try.
Oh so is this your new bait then?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I also think neutral>pacifist in undertale, but mostly because i think Omega Flowey complete mogs God of hyper death Asriel as a final boss.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It'd be so badass if after enough neutral endings, Flowey gets pissed, he says something like "you just wanted to see me again huh? In that hellish state? Fine! you've worn me down, I'll have fun tearing into you BIT BY BIT" and then you get to fight omega flowey again anytime you do a neutral route again. I do like that you can only do the fight once tho. You can do the sans and asriel fight as many times as you want. But flowey is only once
2 years ago
Anonymous
You don't fight Omega Flowey in every neutral route?
2 years ago
Anonymous
You can only fight him once and in every neutral route after that he says "lets just get this over with" absorbing the souls but then cutting to the ending. He knows hes going to lose so he doesn't waste youre time with a boss fight
2 years ago
Anonymous
Toby's a fricking genius and he spurs me to try and get my own projects off the ground.
2 years ago
Anonymous
me too man. me too. make that game dev dream come true
2 years ago
Anonymous
My first Undertale playthrough was genocide but i ended up sparing monster kid. I went in completely blind(it was at the time when this game hasn't exploded yet) and i must say that i made the right choice. Undyne melting to death was absolute kino, and ending where alphys wished me death was even better, to this day i belive that this is the best route of this game as this shows perfectly how would a group of people react to typical RPG protag if the game made sense - genocide route kind of focused too much on meta commentary than actually telling the story.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>and ending where alphys wished me death was even better
Pure kino. >genocide route kind of focused too much on meta commentary than actually telling the story
It did and it didn't. I think Sans is one of the greatest fictional characters of all time but that's only IF you have the context from genocide. He doesn't pontificate on the metaness of the route, but more so comments on his role in the world and the fact that you're killing his friends. Thinking on it now, genocide doesn't really get that meta at all. It's all contextualized.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That just makes sense though, there's no reason to half-ass it. Chapter 1 doesn't matter (aside from how you deal with Jevil), but Chapter 2 gives you a clear incentive to SPARE people. It also presents just FIGHTing everyone as a valid option since the super duper fricked up stuff is a separate thing you have to go out of your way to do, instead of just being the natural consequence of grinding.
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I always did the neutral route first in Undertale and Deltarune while going in completely blind.
Having a bitter ending in Undertale where Undyne desperately tries to not die and nearly everyone was dead was so much more meaningful than being told to not hurt the precious pixels and get the best ending first try.
Deltarune was pretty great too where, in chapter 1, I just had to leave quickly because everyone hated me and I thought that was the only option. Then in chapter 2, seeing everything mostly ok but Berdley losing his arm and the Queen looking around Castle Town and finding none of her subjects there really hit hard
It really is the way to play. Not like it takes that much longer to do another route afterwards
>Then in chapter 2, seeing everything mostly ok but Berdley losing his arm and the Queen looking around Castle Town and finding none of her subjects there really hit hard
The Berdley thing is specific to his fights and the Queen thing is only if you failed to recruit anyone. Neutral implies you're doing more of a mix, but again, there's no real reason to half-ass it (so far).
If anything it seems like getting the ultimate Neutral/True Ending might involve having both a "good" savefile and a "bad" one, or edging the game to hit very specific requirements that aren't just kill counters.
It's not really comparable with Undertale in this way
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It's not really comparable with Undertale in this way
Only if you're right, but I think it'd be cool. Catherine: Full Body requires you to do exactly what you just said to get the new ending.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well, I'm not saying that conditionally on my speculation about the ending, I just think the FIGHT/SPARE dichotomy isn't nearly as foundational to Deltarune's design as it was to Undertale's. I'm pretty sure Toby's even on the record saying that the only reason it's in the game is because it was in Undertale, and I think that shows with how much Chapter 2 does to refine it now that it's a committed feature.
The whole moral of Chapter 1 was Ralsei learning that violence is sometimes necessary and Susie learning that ONLY being violent does more harm than good. Even as a "pacifist" you're encouraged to to do damage with ACTs that become special moves and fights you can't clear without some form of violence.
>You can't do pacifist on first route
You can. You just finish Neutral with no killings, reload your last save and go do the Alphys date (or whatever other dates you have left if you haven't done them).
>I'm only gonna do one route, the pacifist one
You can't do pacifist on first route. Do genocide instead, it's objectively the best part of the game.
he's moronic
Genocide is way shorter but you 100% don't do it until you've done everything else. How long it takes you depends on how much you struggle with the superbosses but reasonable estimate is like 2-4 hours.
As long as you're familiar with Undertale, knowing the characters and understanding the setting, that's fine. There's not much to be gained by actually playing through it yourself, aside from appreciating how much smoother Deltarune's battle system is.
It's "a game to play after Undertale" because a big part of your intended experience with the game is noticing and thinking about what's different from Undertale (and what's not so different).
I gotta buddy who didn't get through Undertale and he's done both DR chapters are loved it thus far. If you wind up needing UT knowledge at some point in the future someone'll probably let you know. Really, if you play UT you'll just get sad when you realize that Muffet won't be showing up in DR at any point.
I didn't even know he was sick
First week after each chapter's release were some of the comfiest times on this board in recent years
How can you miss something that isn't out?
Deltarune is only good for all the emo frickboy art that Kris generates.
the last one isn't even a year old yet
i want to frick the deer after corrupting her
SEX THE DEER
I want to frick the deer in order to corrupt her
i want to frick the deer without corrupting her
>Noelle
>wedding dress
What would her children look like if Kris and Noelle had sex?
How can you miss something that isn't even out yet?
How did deltarune avoid attracting the same amount of autism and insanity that undertale did?
Not finished yet
Also it uses old characters for new roles/purposes which shortcircuits some normie brains
>How did deltarune avoid attracting the same amount of autism and insanity that undertale did?
It literally fricking did, maybe worse, and it's not even "completed" yet.
Literally just being removed from the Tumblrites driving people to suicide.
Nearly all the autism is completely neutered, and all they can do is scream into the void that Kris is called "They" in the script.
This also defangs morons using that shit to try and shit up threads.
>How did deltarune avoid attracting the same amount of autism and insanity that undertale did?
nice joke anon
Sans getting his screentime drastically reduced.
youtube algorithm
the avg fan is more autistic. yt recommends it to a more niche audience than kid hordes
Children aren't the majority because they're all holed up in games like Roblox, Minecraft, Fortnite and Friday Night Funkin'.
Meanwhile most the Deltarune autists were former autistic Undertale kiddies, and are thus aware of how they caused Undertale to be "cringe" and don't want a repeat of that, so they keep their autism and degeneracy on the downlow.
>and are thus aware of how they caused Undertale to be "cringe"
You mean the steven universe lesbian worship Black folk.
That came by because they were getting in trouble for trying to kill people.
The ones that are gone to other shit because Steven Universe is ded
It did you moron but it also didn't because there is entertainment literally everywhere and children are more likely to browse tiktok or play a f2p game than invest themselves in something like Deltarune.
Its pretty much this
anyone saying otherwise are trying to push an agenda.
>he doesn't know
i miss my mom
Does anyone from the game remind you of her?
it's a h*r reference you fricking DORK, SHUT UP!
Who knows what will happen on the anniversary soon. Something good?
Get out.
shit game
I haven't really played Deltarune because I hate episodic shit but didn't Toby Fox give out the first chapter for free and the most recent chapter for free because he was trying to be nice for Covid poorgays? That was nice of him. But still, frick episodic games.
Yeah if you want he's got an itchio page and/or you can grab it from steam.
Bear in mind if you're playing on linux, you'll need to grab DXVK or a certain room late in chapter 2 will not function properly.
Toby says he intended to release the game all at once, but
1. Chapter 1 was released as a demo because he was trying to make the game more or less on his own like Undertale but realized he was in way over his head and needed to find a team
2. Chapter 2 was released for free because of COVID and because the team wanted to put something out after three years of basically nothing (while they experimented with moving the game to another engine and then COVID fricked everything up)
3. In the future, Chapters 3-5 and (presumably) 6-7 will be released together (paid) because Toby now sees this as the best compromise between complete vs episodic release and the devs (and fans) wanting to see the results of their work sooner than later
I'm not surprised he stuck with Gamemaker. He's not a master programmer, but what he's done is definitely impressive.
I wanna check this game out, but I don't feel like playing undertale(because I have it spoiled pretty much completely)
But even the game's website tells me to play undertale first
So, Ganker, should I?
You'll probably enjoy it more if you've played Undertale first. I'd suggest it, but ultimately it's up to you.
Ok, frick it, how long is it? I'm only gonna do one route, the pacifist one
You can probably knock it out in an afternoon if you're not bad at videogames.
2-3 days then.
Sure, let's go.
thanks, have a rare pepe
>I'm only gonna do one route, the pacifist one
You can't do pacifist on first route. Do genocide instead, it's objectively the best part of the game.
>it's objectively the best part of the game.
The only people who say this are people that only watched it on youtube.
It is precision engineered to be painfully unfun.
>The only people who say this are people that only watched it on youtube.
Nah I beat it 2 times and had a great time.
>It is precision engineered to be painfully unfun.
I had more fun grinding mobs than doing stupid puzzles tho
Genocide is much better, but without the context of neutral/pacifist route it kind of doesn't make sense
Oh, I know genocide fricks up your game
I told you, I've got a lot of major stuff spoiled over the years. endings and such
It's less about "fricks up your game" and more about the themes of the story, but yeah
The vast majority of people knew how it worked going in and just did Pacifist->True Pacifist into Genocide
There's a lot of cool stuff you can only see in Neutral routes but it's a lot easier to just look it up on Youtube instead of playing the whole game over again just for some minor variations
7 years on, I think it's a mistake to have the main trailer for Steam Undertale be "PACIFIST OR GENOCIDE" or whatever it is in big letters. Neutral route has a lot going on and the trailer should just not let coming generations know true pacifist is possible. That said, Undyne dying a miserable death in neutral made me cry after years of having never done neutral.
This is most likely the reason why deltarune advertizes that its going to have one ending. Still it looks like majority are going to do mostly just full blown genocide/pacifist playthroughs, but that's because people are moronic
Is it really all that moronic to do the equivalent of intentionally finishing Sonic the Hedgehog without picking up the chaos emeralds first? Sure, you lose a little something but that's a reason to play again, if you want to.
I am fairly interested in the middle of the road route were you attack everyone but don't do the weird route shenanigans after seeing Berdly lose his arm in that route
It's just numb when he wakes up, but yeah that was a very interesting tidbit. 3-5 cannot come out soon enough.
>Having a bitter ending in Undertale where Undyne desperately tries to not die and nearly everyone was dead was so much more meaningful than being told to not hurt the precious pixels and get the best ending first try.
I don't think you understand Undertale's aspect of being pure escapism.
Even then, Toby seems to be cooking up some really interesting stuff for those that dare tread all over the place.
There's the Twisted Sword which requires the Thorn Ring, but you can't keep it if you commit to Snowgraving Berdly, so you need to abort the route on him and take it back before Noelle leaves the party later on.
Also if I remember right, doesn't freezing things NOT break the bonds with them preventing you from becoming friends with everyone?
Freezing things doesn't break bonds yeah. They're literally just freezing, not dying. Snowgrave is FATAL.
I always did the neutral route first in Undertale and Deltarune while going in completely blind.
Having a bitter ending in Undertale where Undyne desperately tries to not die and nearly everyone was dead was so much more meaningful than being told to not hurt the precious pixels and get the best ending first try.
Deltarune was pretty great too where, in chapter 1, I just had to leave quickly because everyone hated me and I thought that was the only option. Then in chapter 2, seeing everything mostly ok but Berdley losing his arm and the Queen looking around Castle Town and finding none of her subjects there really hit hard
It really is the way to play. Not like it takes that much longer to do another route afterwards
>was so much more meaningful than being told to not hurt the precious pixels and get the best ending first try.
Oh so is this your new bait then?
I also think neutral>pacifist in undertale, but mostly because i think Omega Flowey complete mogs God of hyper death Asriel as a final boss.
It'd be so badass if after enough neutral endings, Flowey gets pissed, he says something like "you just wanted to see me again huh? In that hellish state? Fine! you've worn me down, I'll have fun tearing into you BIT BY BIT" and then you get to fight omega flowey again anytime you do a neutral route again. I do like that you can only do the fight once tho. You can do the sans and asriel fight as many times as you want. But flowey is only once
You don't fight Omega Flowey in every neutral route?
You can only fight him once and in every neutral route after that he says "lets just get this over with" absorbing the souls but then cutting to the ending. He knows hes going to lose so he doesn't waste youre time with a boss fight
Toby's a fricking genius and he spurs me to try and get my own projects off the ground.
me too man. me too. make that game dev dream come true
My first Undertale playthrough was genocide but i ended up sparing monster kid. I went in completely blind(it was at the time when this game hasn't exploded yet) and i must say that i made the right choice. Undyne melting to death was absolute kino, and ending where alphys wished me death was even better, to this day i belive that this is the best route of this game as this shows perfectly how would a group of people react to typical RPG protag if the game made sense - genocide route kind of focused too much on meta commentary than actually telling the story.
>and ending where alphys wished me death was even better
Pure kino.
>genocide route kind of focused too much on meta commentary than actually telling the story
It did and it didn't. I think Sans is one of the greatest fictional characters of all time but that's only IF you have the context from genocide. He doesn't pontificate on the metaness of the route, but more so comments on his role in the world and the fact that you're killing his friends. Thinking on it now, genocide doesn't really get that meta at all. It's all contextualized.
That just makes sense though, there's no reason to half-ass it. Chapter 1 doesn't matter (aside from how you deal with Jevil), but Chapter 2 gives you a clear incentive to SPARE people. It also presents just FIGHTing everyone as a valid option since the super duper fricked up stuff is a separate thing you have to go out of your way to do, instead of just being the natural consequence of grinding.
>Then in chapter 2, seeing everything mostly ok but Berdley losing his arm and the Queen looking around Castle Town and finding none of her subjects there really hit hard
The Berdley thing is specific to his fights and the Queen thing is only if you failed to recruit anyone. Neutral implies you're doing more of a mix, but again, there's no real reason to half-ass it (so far).
If anything it seems like getting the ultimate Neutral/True Ending might involve having both a "good" savefile and a "bad" one, or edging the game to hit very specific requirements that aren't just kill counters.
It's not really comparable with Undertale in this way
>It's not really comparable with Undertale in this way
Only if you're right, but I think it'd be cool. Catherine: Full Body requires you to do exactly what you just said to get the new ending.
Well, I'm not saying that conditionally on my speculation about the ending, I just think the FIGHT/SPARE dichotomy isn't nearly as foundational to Deltarune's design as it was to Undertale's. I'm pretty sure Toby's even on the record saying that the only reason it's in the game is because it was in Undertale, and I think that shows with how much Chapter 2 does to refine it now that it's a committed feature.
The whole moral of Chapter 1 was Ralsei learning that violence is sometimes necessary and Susie learning that ONLY being violent does more harm than good. Even as a "pacifist" you're encouraged to to do damage with ACTs that become special moves and fights you can't clear without some form of violence.
>You can't do pacifist on first route
You can. You just finish Neutral with no killings, reload your last save and go do the Alphys date (or whatever other dates you have left if you haven't done them).
It's like 8 hours tops
Don't listen to
he's moronic
Genocide is way shorter but you 100% don't do it until you've done everything else. How long it takes you depends on how much you struggle with the superbosses but reasonable estimate is like 2-4 hours.
As long as you're familiar with Undertale, knowing the characters and understanding the setting, that's fine. There's not much to be gained by actually playing through it yourself, aside from appreciating how much smoother Deltarune's battle system is.
It's "a game to play after Undertale" because a big part of your intended experience with the game is noticing and thinking about what's different from Undertale (and what's not so different).
I gotta buddy who didn't get through Undertale and he's done both DR chapters are loved it thus far. If you wind up needing UT knowledge at some point in the future someone'll probably let you know. Really, if you play UT you'll just get sad when you realize that Muffet won't be showing up in DR at any point.
Yes.
You don't need to make something that great, just make something anon.
Yes. It's basically something you play after playing Undertale. Like watching Better Call Saul after Breaking Bad
I will never make anything even close to Deltarune in greatness, or even Undertale. It hurts.
Sorry but Toby is dying of vaids so no more Deltarune
what's v stand for
Video Games
Wuhflu Vaxx, Toby took the vaxxmaxing to far and now his immune system is non existent
He's currently dying clutching to his Susie bodypillow (not a bad way to go out tbh)
Is hussie finally taking his revenge?
should have named it deltratroon since that's the only people who play it
You HAVE beaten this, right?
https://gotoanddie.github.io/c2-sans-fight/
chapters 3-5 soon bros
There's a connection
One more month and we will probably get an update of some kind.
Krisriel
ch3 when?
I want to frick/be fricked by SUSIE!
TOBEY DONT YOU DARE NOT LET ME FRICK THE LIVING SHIT OUT OF DINO PURPLE DRAGON BARNEY AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!
CH2 isn't even a year old and CH3 is definitely still being worked on, OP.
>CH2 isn't even a year old
It will be soon. Mark my words.
Then you're in for a pleasant surprise this Christmas🙂
Get some new content dude
t. Susie