The Githyanki haven’t changed at all since 1st edition. As far as I know their lore and depictions and so on are literally identical to what they were 45 years ago
The reason we see them so much is not because people like them or they're inherently cool or well designed, but because Gygax legally secured them as part of D&D's brand identity, meaning they're one of the few monsters that no one else could copy. They're pushed because there's a corporate mandate to push them, because putting them on or in products actually helps protect them.
Every time I see them, I recognize that it's not creativity, good sense, or a genuine like for the races that brought them forward once again, but their presence is the result of some disgusting lawyer.
Well, to be fair, Mindflayers are not complete shit in terms of design, but I can guarantee that of all the 5000+ monsters that have existed in D&D, they decided to feature Mindflayers so prominently because they're on the short list of Brand Identity creatures.
Actually, Mi-Go that look like Cthulhu would be more conceptually complex than the Mind Flayers are. It's sort of an insult to the Mi-Go to compare them to Mind Flayers.
Actually, Mi-Go that look like Cthulhu would be more conceptually complex than the Mind Flayers are. It's sort of an insult to the Mi-Go to compare them to Mind Flayers.
Everything is derivative of everything. That's how society, culture, and the history of civilization works since way further back than we have written records for.
"Brought them forward?" The frick are you talking about? They're underdark monsters in Forgotten Realms. They're quazi-reptile degenerates in Dark Sun. They're marading pirates in Spelljammer. They're part of the Greyhawk cosmology and a standard in Planescape.
Brought them forward from where? They've been a major monster in every edition of D&D since the mid 80s.
>legally
Boy howdy are you misinformed. If by legally you mean "stole them from Charles Stress, who as a teenager, couldn't afford a legal battle over it".
That's a twist. It's not very accurate. That's how the magazine submissions worked. No one submitting was confused about that. Yeah TSR and Games Workshop had some bitterness, but Strauss intentionally submitted his Githyanki for publication under their trademark.
Not according to Stross. The terms they had him agree to only granted them the right to publish his work in a single issue, without him forfeiting copyrights or granting any rights to future publication. They didn't actually own the copyright to sell it to Gygax.
Yeah, all I've got to go off of is a memory of some Charles Stress interview from like 20 years ago. And it doesn't show up in the first couple pages of search results, so I expect I would have to do some digging to find the actual article.
But at the time he was certainly convinced they were legally still his, and that Wizards of the Coast were clearly as happy as he was to leave him to use them as he wished without legally challenging his claims.
I have no idea what he used them for after the magazine though. I haven't read much of his stuff
That's how mindflayers used to look? Damn, I kind of wish they had kept that. Also kind of wished they weren't nerfed from 3.5 when they had total BS stats and such that also made them monsters even without psionics.
>Red dragonborn inherit fire resists are a blessing for romancing Karlach.
Does the game actually acknowledge that if you romance her as a red dragonborn?
The fact that they were created by Charles Stross, who took their name from GRRM, makes them the most literary race since Elves.
I've liked them since Planescape Torment, cause Dak'kon is a bro.
Githyanki. We are grogs here. Githyanki came first.
I also fricking hated 3rd edition so I didn't look at the dogshit splatbooks that did anything more than passingly mention the Astral Sea.
I don't play video games so I haven't been tricked into caring about E.T. Elves.
Literally from 1979. If you played any edition of D&D prior to 4th, you wouldn't have any opportunity to not know this fact, because they're in every single campaign setting.
Proper githyanki should have a hole for a nose, like Fallout Ghouls just like in the Fiend Folio.
Frick all wippersnapper coomers that want to make them into waifus!
They did that in Fiend Folio, for monsters with classes - it was just a little to in-depth to condense in such a small entry. I've always wanted to stat-out a full Githyanki Anti-Paladin as a major villain.
>always evil
ZOMFG GITHYANKI SUCK THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A CHOICE TO BE EVIL THEY ARE NOT MORAL ACTORS HACK WRITING!!11111
Once-human slaves who, over countless generations, developed psychic powers to escape the clutches of their Mindflayer oppressors, led by their Lich-Queen? Clearly a Chaotic Good society. Especially when their queen says to one of her own, "Hey, you look powerful - lemme eat your soul."
Also, the Fiend Folio rendition (Russ Nicholson) is the DEFINITIVE depiction of the race. The frog-faced, Grinch-looking designs are fruitier than Richard Simmons in a fricking orchard!
No, neither wyll nor astarion acknowledge you being a baldarian noble if you pick that, so it's unlikely the game's that in-depth about things like that, also it's fire resistance, not immunity.
There's some reactivity for race/class/background. Admittedly, background tends not to come up as often as the first two - mostly it exists as a source of Inspiration.
Why the frick do new D&D players ALWAYS gravitate towards Dragonborn? They're boring, ugly, and mechanically uninteresting, is it literally just Skyrim's fault for using the name in some slop normies remember?
Because the entire rest of the line-up is the same human lookalikes everyone has seen forever and ever and media like cartoons, books, videogames and movies all favor having only humans or human looking characters as the main focus.
Because they get breath weapons and resistance to [insert element here] you dumbass. Neuron activation when they see "COOL DRAGON" and mechanical usefulness.
/tg/ has devolved into utter dogshit so its either a Dragonborn or Tiefling board. That said Githyanki are the superior species despite their problems and the Githzerai are just doomed to contemplate how far they can shove their heads up their asses in Limbo forever.
The difference is a githzerai is most likely presented as a group of friendly NPCs helping you instead of enemies. Unless you mean you just randomly kill all the friendly NPCs too murder hobo style.
I don't play video games so I haven't been tricked into caring about E.T. Elves.
>Doesn't recognize one of the oldest evil races in D&D
Looks like you don't play games at all.
I also fricking hated 3rd edition so I didn't look at the dogshit splatbooks that did anything more than passingly mention the Astral Sea.
>He thinks Giths came from the 3rd edition.
Implying he thinks at all.
20 years too late, gamelet.
That's not the current giths. That's just the same name for intellectual property reasons. Nice try.
This is the dumbest and wrongest thing you've said yet. And that's really saying something.
The Githyanki haven’t changed at all since 1st edition. As far as I know their lore and depictions and so on are literally identical to what they were 45 years ago
Sorry I don't play games for homosexuals
If it's not an orc, an undead, a beholder, or a demon then I don't really care.
Both are fine. Githyanki come with plane shifting airships though, and that's pretty cool.
They're engineered humans, not elves. Despite the pointy ears. And they don't act like elves. If they act like anything its planar hobgoblins.
And everyone else has already pointed out that Ol' Gary stole them in 1979.
Oh boy did this not go well for you.
Dwarf board.
tpbp
Spotted the redditors
dwarves are for troons
Touching green pointy ears. Rubbing green pointy ears. Nibbling and licking green pointy ears.
I think you can see my feelings on the matter.
>There are Gith who aren't Githzerai
Makes me fricking sick to be tbh.
Both are terrible.
The reason we see them so much is not because people like them or they're inherently cool or well designed, but because Gygax legally secured them as part of D&D's brand identity, meaning they're one of the few monsters that no one else could copy. They're pushed because there's a corporate mandate to push them, because putting them on or in products actually helps protect them.
Every time I see them, I recognize that it's not creativity, good sense, or a genuine like for the races that brought them forward once again, but their presence is the result of some disgusting lawyer.
They're ugly. They're dumb. Frick them.
Nah, they were cool before 5e ruined them like they did everything else.
Is that why we had Mind Flayers (also a unique property) in BG3?
100% the reason.
Well, to be fair, Mindflayers are not complete shit in terms of design, but I can guarantee that of all the 5000+ monsters that have existed in D&D, they decided to feature Mindflayers so prominently because they're on the short list of Brand Identity creatures.
Mind Flayers are just Mi-Go that look like Cthulhu.
Actually, Mi-Go that look like Cthulhu would be more conceptually complex than the Mind Flayers are. It's sort of an insult to the Mi-Go to compare them to Mind Flayers.
Everything is derivative of everything. That's how society, culture, and the history of civilization works since way further back than we have written records for.
>X is derivative of Y
Isn't a knock on X.
"Brought them forward?" The frick are you talking about? They're underdark monsters in Forgotten Realms. They're quazi-reptile degenerates in Dark Sun. They're marading pirates in Spelljammer. They're part of the Greyhawk cosmology and a standard in Planescape.
Brought them forward from where? They've been a major monster in every edition of D&D since the mid 80s.
> They've been a major monster in every edition of D&D
And why do you think they've been a major monster, moron?
>legally
Boy howdy are you misinformed. If by legally you mean "stole them from Charles Stress, who as a teenager, couldn't afford a legal battle over it".
Stross*. Fricking auto correct.
That's a twist. It's not very accurate. That's how the magazine submissions worked. No one submitting was confused about that. Yeah TSR and Games Workshop had some bitterness, but Strauss intentionally submitted his Githyanki for publication under their trademark.
Not according to Stross. The terms they had him agree to only granted them the right to publish his work in a single issue, without him forfeiting copyrights or granting any rights to future publication. They didn't actually own the copyright to sell it to Gygax.
That's simply isn't how anything in zine culture worked, so I find it nearly impossible to believe. But maybe he was that genuinely naive at the time.
Yeah, all I've got to go off of is a memory of some Charles Stress interview from like 20 years ago. And it doesn't show up in the first couple pages of search results, so I expect I would have to do some digging to find the actual article.
But at the time he was certainly convinced they were legally still his, and that Wizards of the Coast were clearly as happy as he was to leave him to use them as he wished without legally challenging his claims.
I have no idea what he used them for after the magazine though. I haven't read much of his stuff
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That's how mindflayers used to look? Damn, I kind of wish they had kept that. Also kind of wished they weren't nerfed from 3.5 when they had total BS stats and such that also made them monsters even without psionics.
I don't actually know, my DB tav was brass.
The fact that they were created by Charles Stross, who took their name from GRRM, makes them the most literary race since Elves.
I've liked them since Planescape Torment, cause Dak'kon is a bro.
its a custodes board.
I'd rather marry a thick, Amazon, orc tomboy than whatever that is.
what is the difference?
Their religion.
Githyanki. We are grogs here. Githyanki came first.
Literally from 1979. If you played any edition of D&D prior to 4th, you wouldn't have any opportunity to not know this fact, because they're in every single campaign setting.
Proper githyanki should have a hole for a nose, like Fallout Ghouls just like in the Fiend Folio.
Frick all wippersnapper coomers that want to make them into waifus!
>variable
>variable
>variable
wow what a useful stat block
They did that in Fiend Folio, for monsters with classes - it was just a little to in-depth to condense in such a small entry. I've always wanted to stat-out a full Githyanki Anti-Paladin as a major villain.
Once-human slaves who, over countless generations, developed psychic powers to escape the clutches of their Mindflayer oppressors, led by their Lich-Queen? Clearly a Chaotic Good society. Especially when their queen says to one of her own, "Hey, you look powerful - lemme eat your soul."
Also, the Fiend Folio rendition (Russ Nicholson) is the DEFINITIVE depiction of the race. The frog-faced, Grinch-looking designs are fruitier than Richard Simmons in a fricking orchard!
oh, wow, I thought they were a second edition addition.
Red dragonborn inherit fire resists are a blessing for romancing Karlach.
>Red dragonborn inherit fire resists are a blessing for romancing Karlach.
Does the game actually acknowledge that if you romance her as a red dragonborn?
No, neither wyll nor astarion acknowledge you being a baldarian noble if you pick that, so it's unlikely the game's that in-depth about things like that, also it's fire resistance, not immunity.
There's some reactivity for race/class/background. Admittedly, background tends not to come up as often as the first two - mostly it exists as a source of Inspiration.
>always evil
ZOMFG GITHYANKI SUCK THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A CHOICE TO BE EVIL THEY ARE NOT MORAL ACTORS HACK WRITING!!11111
Githyanki are cool, Githzerai are lame.
I walk a different path...
Whichever answer makes you angrier.
Skub [rules/sucks], gay.
I don't know what these frickers are, but they're ugly as shit and therefore deserve to die.
t. Secondary / zoomie casual.
>ugly
Really? I find their inhuman appearance to be strangely charming, and find myself wondering how certain parts of their body taste.
No one cares about the Gith.
I will post this in every of your shitty threads until you have a nice day.
What if OP does kill himself but comes back as a ghost? Then what?
Then he will still be an astralBlack person just like he was before.
But as a ghost he will be able to post about Gith and it will be harder to get rid of him
Thinaun works, man. Just stab 'im.
Why the frick do new D&D players ALWAYS gravitate towards Dragonborn? They're boring, ugly, and mechanically uninteresting, is it literally just Skyrim's fault for using the name in some slop normies remember?
Partly due to the novelty of being the most overtly fantastical race in a fantasy game, partly because Durge looks fricking cool.
I guess there's no accounting for taste. That looks like random-bandit #148, but we put a moronic lizard head on it.
Yeah, I dunno. They're less interesting, stale photocopies of the dragonkin monster race from 2e and 3e.
The game is called Dungeons & DRAGONS. If I can't play at least one of these things, then what's the fricking point?
>The game is called DUNGEONS & Dragons, when do I get to play as a dungeonborn?
Duergar and Svrifneblin are already playable.
Duergar are just Soviet dwarves, but without the sense of humor, though.
Why the frick would you want to play as a dragon, or a homosexual dragon man when you could kill those reptilian fricks instead?
they were kind of cool when it was some mutant you transformed into as a reward from tiamat or whoever
Because the entire rest of the line-up is the same human lookalikes everyone has seen forever and ever and media like cartoons, books, videogames and movies all favor having only humans or human looking characters as the main focus.
Because they get breath weapons and resistance to [insert element here] you dumbass. Neuron activation when they see "COOL DRAGON" and mechanical usefulness.
/tg/ has devolved into utter dogshit so its either a Dragonborn or Tiefling board. That said Githyanki are the superior species despite their problems and the Githzerai are just doomed to contemplate how far they can shove their heads up their asses in Limbo forever.
>Githzerai are just doomed to contemplate how far they can shove their heads up their asses in Limbo forever.
So they're the actual fa/tg/uys.
/tg/ was always a Githzerai board.
Githyanki simps and parasites should find no purchase here.
Both are utterly stupid excuses for fantasy races. They have no part whatsoever in any coherent setting that isn't the full bucket of D&D slop.
I dunno, ask /5eg/
People like you are the reason the soul of this board is being strangled to death by fricking generals.
>wah wah why won't anyone take my shitpost Ganker thread seriously?!
Make better threads next time, homosexual
It's an illithid board.
Githzerai. Githyanki are fricking dumb.
Gith was perhaps the ultimate tomboy, across all planes and realities. Have you considered this?
She was also the dumbest motherfricker in the whole of the Astral Sea, who got eaten by Tiamat.
I'm pretty sure she just got enslaved by Tiamat.
Nah, b***h got eaten, and in exchange her species got red dragon mounts.
That's just what Tiamat told Vlaakith so she wouldn't get nosy. Gith is alive and imprisoned in Dispater's iron tower.
If the prince was imprisoned, you know the queen was imprisoned or has some extraplanar multi-versal bs happening.
is there a difference? I just kill them
The difference is a githzerai is most likely presented as a group of friendly NPCs helping you instead of enemies. Unless you mean you just randomly kill all the friendly NPCs too murder hobo style.
>Unless you mean you just randomly kill all the friendly NPCs too murder hobo style.
I do not. No. I run / go for stronghold / faction sandbox games rather than dungeon crawlers. When I want a basic dungeon crawler I prefer vidya.
Shardmind superiority.
>shartmind
I dare you to say that again.
Dakkon is my homeboy. Githhomosexual can go get soul sucked by their queen.
I was waiting for someone to say his name.
Sorely disappointed that it took this long.
I was too busy updating my journal, anon.
at what point did gith start looking so awful? the 2e reprint books?
/tg/ is an Illithid board
Why does she look like TV's She Hulk?
Feels more like squidface territory.