And pre-builts adjusted because they don't want to miss out. Aside from the beginning of the crypto bubble when pre-built prices took longer to inflate than standalone parts, they've always sold PCs full of bargain bin parts at the same price as custom builds full of decent ones, because the average buyer sees the GPU name and stops thinking.
yes. The only problem is availability. don't forget that store prebuilts or alienwares uses degraded, lower quality pieces so their 4080 will run worse than the one you get yourself.
all electronics is done with a % of accuracy, and the cards are tested in the end of the chain, the defective ones that still run are sent to prebuilt. It's the same for all electronics.
Prebuilt also solder the pieces together or change the shape of the pieces to ensure you can't fix your problem yourself too.
Because the average normie actually equates building a computer to a skill and they want to be paid for that skill and building computers is actually fricking easy as shit and can make you a quick cash injection if some Karen needs a gaming computer for her kid.
>pcgays boasting about how consoletards should just build a computer >they do and things get more expensive as a result >"REEEEE FRICKING NORMIES RUINING EVERYTHING!!!!"
shut the frick up you dumb normalgay
I haven't checked recently, but maybe? For awhile it wasn't because of the stupid cryptocurrency crap (was cheaper to go pre-built), but I think if it hasn't swung back the other way already, it should get there?
If you know all the parts you need and how to build it, sure, but that’s definitely no easy feat and it’s hard to teach yourself how to do it with no one in the room guiding you. A video can only do so much before you run into a road block the video doesn’t have a solution for. Then you have to deal with upgrades, trouble shooting, bugs, updates, software, and a bunch of other shit. That’s why consoles are superior and always will be superior. Plug in and play, no horseshit.
>If you know all the parts you need and how to build it, sure
PC Part Picker makes it incredibly easy for newcomers, I've just started using it because it just makes shit super easy
https://pcpartpicker.com/
Blame consoles for pushing this meme.
Because of that, morons now think 4k is the "standard" and 1080p is some shitty 480p tier resolution and that you need to buy a 1000$ GPU for 4k.
And also think new tech is a meme because they can't run everything cranked to the max at 120 fps on their new GPU.
>falling for the 4k meme
I can't even make out single pixels on my 32 inch 1440 monitor from more than 2 feet away
A higher pixel density is a complete waste
Logicalincrements.com is also a super great one, just look around at other places for a cheaper pricing, but it's literally a set of stuff that all fits together no thought necessary. It's perfect if you don't know what you're doing.
It is literally the most fricking simple thing in the world that children can figure out you mongoloid. The only things I can see being awkward the first time are installation order and those tiny I/O plugs.
>It is literally the most fricking simple thing in the world that children can figure out you mongoloid.
Why are you just outright lying you fricking moron? It isn't very hard, but neither is driving, the problem is how much you stand to lose if you frick it up. I can build a lego, but if building the lego wrong flushes $300 down the toilet I'm going to be much more cautious about it.
I fricked up an ssd once because the cables on my psu were too short, but thats the only time in like 12 PCs that I've built that any damage has ever happened.
>tfw repeatedly do the hair-raising task of seating the CPU and absolutely cramming down the heatsink onto it and really tightening those screw thingies onto the PCB so fricking tight you're almost certain you feel like it ought to fricking snap something you've put so much pressure on it
yet nothing catastrophic ever happened. Nothing snapped, no pins were bent
The moment you feel any tension on a screwdriver, you stop, that's the golden rule.
Some of those heatsinks i had to attach used those push-pin things, so it was all or nothing, either get the screw/plug whatever past the hole and it latches or it doesnt stay on at all
Heatsinks are usually allen screws. Same stuff applies though, the moment you can't easily turn it with just a single finger at the tip of the wrench, it's enough.
I built my own computer. I'm just saying people have fricked it up before and some people go full moron in moments like [...]
Or the guy earlier who couldn't figure things out because his memory was bad. Some morons can't even get their shit to turn on.
The moment you feel any tension on a screwdriver, you stop, that's the golden rule.
Heatsinks are usually allen screws. Same stuff applies though, the moment you can't easily turn it with just a single finger at the tip of the wrench, it's enough.
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Some of those heatsinks i had to attach used those push-pin things, so it was all or nothing, either get the screw/plug whatever past the hole and it latches or it doesnt stay on at all
I have severe OCD, so any time I have to tighten a screw or plug something in I always have to tighten it as hard as I can or push as hard as I can well past the point where I know it's fine because if I don't I get so torturously anxious and uncomfortable I want to tear my hair out and scream
I've stripped so many screws and broken so many things because of this
it's literally impossible for me to ever build a computer, I would either break everything or get so overwhelmed by it because of my OCD I would completely break down
Seating your CPU is really easy, it's just that you can break two very expensive things at the same time if you are a moron and do it wrong.
Levering down the arm is also easy in theory, but it does feel "wrong" so it is encouraging to have someone tell you "Yes, it is supposed to feel sorta hard to push down".
The hardest thing for me was unplugging my old motherboard (not an issue if you build a new PC from scratch) and plugging in the CPU power cable into the top left of the motherboard. It's just such an awkward angle, you don't really see where you are because your hand is in the way and it's dark. Also, I cut my hand doing that.
I think I'll just plug that cable into the motherboard before I even mount it to the case in the future.
Before i made my first computer in high school i was pretty much bullied by the people on the forum i frequented into sucking it up and build the damn thing. They compared it to lego.
They helped double and triple check the list of stuff i was gonna buy and put together before i pulled the trigger on the purchase.
I had guidance but i didn't have anyone in the room with me, and what help i did have wasnt live/real-time assistance
I disagree, since a lot more than ten years pc are just plug and play legos with bsbby tier sockets. All the update are constantly automated too because we are perpetually online.
>in the age of instant questions-and-answers and moron-resistant guides freely available on the internet
the only difficult part is the manual dexterity and conviction required to connect the pins
for everything else READ THE FRICKING MANUAL
i know that /vee/ is basically blue /bee/ (read: full of morons) but i'd expect at least some competency in the field
>but that’s definitely no easy feat and it’s hard to teach yourself how to do it with no one in the room guiding you.
Black person I put my own PC together when I was 13 years old 15 years ago.
I didn't have a second computer (or phone) I could use to check shit on the internet. I literally just put it together using the manuals that come with the parts.
It was easy back then, and its even easier now. Building modern PC's is literally just oversized legos. There's only one fricking place everything can go into.
>Then you have to deal with upgrades, trouble shooting, bugs, updates, software, and a bunch of other shit.
that's the easiest part, but i guess normies do have to struggle with a simple windows activation.
it's not hard but it's also something most people don't bother with so they feel nervous and probably heard a ton of shit about how computers are always breaking or have problems
i think it's 100% anxiety of trying something new but with expensive shit on the line, a lot of people refuse to build their own computers simply because of this reason >i have a friend who is constantly on voicechat/video calls to help set up pc parts/build computers
It's better to doordash food every day. Sure it's insanely expensive and not tailor made just for you, but cooking takes all this equipment and skill. You have to know what ingredients to use, combine them all, not burn anything and operate all kinds of tools in the process, it's no easy feat. That's why I order goyslop every night, just pay and eat, no horseshit
It's better to doordash food every day. Sure it's insanely expensive and not tailor made just for you, but cooking takes all this equipment and skill. You have to know what ingredients to use, combine them all, not burn anything and operate all kinds of tools in the process, it's no easy feat. That's why I order goyslop every night, just pay and eat, no horseshit
if i ate food once every five years I would doordash and you'd be moronic not to.
I trust what my doctor tells me. Do you know how complex medicine is? You need to know dosing, endless human body systems, chemistry and so many other things! I don't have time to look all that up. I have my vax, all five boosters, my sleeping pills, my ADHD pills and of course my antidepressants. I tell him what my problems are, he gives me the meds, I pay the money, no horseshit.
Fricking NO lol
It was once, now it’s not. Honestly my casual ass will probably get one of those mini pc that are like the size of your hand at some point.
They are fine and can play most games upto 2018 with low graphic settings and a few graphical errors. However make sure you get the 16gb ram version and Alder lake chipset and you replace the thermal paste as soon as you get it as they use an inferior paste.
depends on your needs. nowadays 1080p gaming is dirt cheap since pretty much any card can run it very well, even older cards so price isnt as big an issue. if you want the latest and greatest however its definitely worse because of how much theyve been increasing GPU prices.
This. 1080p is cheap and you can put a reliable comp together on a budget.
As soon as you bump up your resolution things get questionable. Jumping to 1440p is almost twice as many pixels and the math just doesn't work in your favor in most cases.
Actually in generally the OPs are recycled by bots Or really desperate OPs
The posts tend to be organic and since not much changes they tend to be the same assuming the kinds of people who post in these threads haven't gotten bored and left.
yeah, only a couple guys on here are real people. the rest are feds or bots. i've seen identical posts being created for years. now and then, they even include my responses in them. i'll respond to a israelite or bot in a post and then they'll just scoop it up and use the next time they make that same post. very odd behavior, i must say.
i think pc places take 50-100 money to build computer. so it depends how much you can earn in the time it takes to build and setup computer.
if you've high paying job then it's generally better to pay other people do things because it takes your time away which you could use to earn much more money than what you're paying.
i guess it just comes down to what your time is worth to you
Depends on where you live. In my country (Australia) doing menial shit a monkey can do is so overvalued I would be paying an extra 100-200 bucks easy for some c**t to put the fricking computer legos together. Some companies have chink contacts with lower margins that can offer you a good deal but thats the exception, not the rule in my experience.
Selecting your parts and having it shipped already prebuilt is much easier. I hope you morons crying about "muh legos!!!" keep that same energy when it comes to fixing your own car, doing repairs on your house, or making your own furniture
Not much actually, especially when you can just spend 5 minutes to check the build when you get it. Pretty much all these companies are based in and ship from the US though.
Older cars are not actually even that hard to repair... My dad never went into any school for it but does it all the time. Like. It really is just legos. If one brick breaks just buy a new one and replace it. But with modern cars they come with complicated electronic systems that can be near impossible for people to tamper with and the parts are also often not available for You to purchase.
It was when the PS4 and XBone came out because they were underpowered. But actually most consoles have released with hardware exceeding or equivalent to the best of what was available on PC for a time for cheaper. Of course after 2 years this typically dissolved. The 360 was far more capable than anything but top of the line monster PCs in 2005
I remember how around 2010 you could build a PC for like $500-$700 that smoked the consoles (run the games at 1080p/60fps/max no problem while consoles were 720p/30fps/med at best) with 50%+ off Steam sales for months-old games and it was just a no brainer to jump in.
The value proposition just isn't there anymore, the PC part makers saw to that.
Well, yeah, it's a business to make computers for others. How would it make any money if this wasn't true. >inb4 this is one of a thousand pasta spam threads on Ganker and I just can't be fricked checking archive for a few seconds
your first link is broken and none of the others show a rx5700xt for $115. also lmao at 10$ keyboard and where is the case? where are the fans? where is the power supply? homie you can pilpul all you want but the hard cold truth is a 500$ pc can't hold a candle against a ps5. it's not even close.
Digital edition doesn't count because it just doesn't, okay?
I just searched PS5 on amazon, I'm seeing one for 460 there, so you can swap the mouse to a RazerDeathAdder essential and that should be exactly 459. You can also switch the graphics card to a 580 for -30, then if you use the alieexpress coupons I believe you get -40 in the summer sale on orders over $200, so that would be 390 total. Nvm forgot PSU, so lowest I can think of is 460
PSU?
Yeah I forgot PSU https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4FH48d/evga-600-w1-600-w-80-certified-atx-power-supply-100-w1-0600-k1 + $70
Wow coo so now I can order all these shitty back-ally parts and put it all together myself, pirate windows, and play without a mousepad all to save… $4.
11 months ago
Anonymous
A PC made with cheap parts can do a lot more than a Gaystation boy.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah like burning your house down. I’m here to play video games motherfricker not coding shit. I can surf Ganker on my phone.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You don't need to know how to code to run windows you dip. Setting up an emulator is something we all did as children playing on Zsnes or what have you. You can objectively play more games with more options for FREE on a PC. Or you can pay for it if you want as well, but there are objectively more games to play than on a basic b***h gaystation. No coding necessary. But that's just games. I assume you've never worked a day in your life so you don't understand the utility of having a computer but if you had any sense of professionalism that's what you'd opt for. A gaming console is for literal children.
Anon, that price is without tax. Because you morons love getting corporately fricked in the ass and think prices not actually being what they're advertised as, is perfectly okay.
Eh only a little these days. I will say you will almost always get higher quality parts that are less likely to break over time if you build. The performance might be the same, but you might be kicking yourself for not opting for a higher quality PSU, RAM, SSD, or Mobo in the future. Plus it’s always very helpful to know how to upgrade your hardware and building teaches you how.
The 14th gen of intel CPUs is coming out in a few months, so if you wait until July or something, you can probably get the 13th gen for cheap. It's a huge leap, so totally worth it at this point. i7-6700K is starting to get old at this point, although it will still be alright for most games if you pick them right.
Please don't get fussy, but, basically, I'm just not gonna build anything. Sorry! I'm going to buy a gaming laptop and skip all of that hard work and enjoy games with a single push of a button, please understand, I just hate inconvenience and I have the money. Once again, sawwwwy!
So, thing is, it's like, I have a job which allows me to earn money (universal exchange thingie) which allows me to not do stuff myself and resolve problems like magic while contributing to the economy. So when I need a tire changed I just call a specialist person and have them do the hard work for me. Once again, sorry for that!
So, thing is, it's like, I have a job which allows me to earn money (universal exchange thingie) which allows me to not do stuff myself and resolve problems like magic while contributing to the economy. So when I need a tire changed I just call a specialist person and have them do the hard work for me. Once again, sorry for that!
It has better quality for a given price. So it's either cheaper if you cut the same corners as pre-builts or better if you don't. Pre-builts use subpar parts for anything that isn't the CPU and GPU because that's all normalgays look at.
no but you can easily buy and play games from any gen these days because every modern game is getting released on PC and you wont have to go through ebay scammers if you wanna pick up some old shit
No it's not because no one goes out of their way to buy; >shitty case >shitty psu >shitty motherboard >shitty ram >shitty fans >shitty cpu cooler >shitty oem graphics card >shitty slow low capacity ssd
So I guess if you really need a shitty computer then prebuilt is technically cheaper.
>let him do all the work
tbh part of the reason to get a custom rig at all versus a prebuilt is the actual experience of putting the rig itself together
I'd agree if i didn't do it in a good 12 years and putting an aio for the first time, also my cable management sucks, but i reckon it's easy now, especially if you got something like a 4000x from Corsair.
I got my last pc built. I picked out all the parts and then the company builds it for you.
It worked out like €100 dearer than having to source every item and build it myself so I was happy to pay that
>build pc myself >wont post >frick >after hours upon hours of trial and error, turns out a stick of ram is faulty >have to RMA it >wait weeks for a replacement
vs >build a custom pc online >pay like $120 for a shop to assemble it >comes with warranty >if anything fricks up within 3 years, take it straight there and they fix it for free
ill take the latter
Paying for assembly after handpicking parts is not really pre-built. The point of pre-builts is that you're not choosing the parts and that sellers abuse it by cutting corners everywhere because their customers are those who are too intimated to look into parts.
Really the only point of doing everything yourself these days is if you're a cable management autist or don't trust anyone else to do it. Either that or custom water cooling as getting a company to do that ends up being quite a lot. Now there are so many places that will charge you barely anything extra to assemble a rig if you pick out the parts which imo is better than self assembly because you get a warranty. Which is void if you change any parts however which kind of sucks
>I invented a story that literally can't happen and is entierely my fault if you look at it but THIS IS YOUR FAULT YOU ARE LE BAD BUY AT COSCO YOU NAZI CHUD
calm down and go have a nice day in silence, golem
>next time if it happens you know exactly what to do >save yourself 120$
Not like any of it is going to happen to begin with. Faulty out of the box components are rare.
That comparison is unfair.
In both cases, something out of your control is broken and gets fixed for free, but for some reason you say you have to "wait weeks" in the first scenario, but they just "fix it" (no time given) in the second one.
The only difference between the two scenarios is that you paid $120 more in one of them.
My dad bought my brother two pre-builts that didn't work right out of the box, and then just said frick it and bought a bunch of parts and assembled it himself. When it comes to just buying parts, the good thing is that you can usually very easily narrow it down to a single factor, and treat it properly. Whereas with a pre-built you literally have to ship the entire thing and wait for them to send you one back (if they even have them in stock) and be left with nothing in the meantime.
These days, buying a prebuild is like paying extra for someone to take the tags off your clothes. It takes no time at all and it's basically impossible to frick up. Although with todays prices I imagine the premium is negligible outside barefaced ripoffs like Alienware.
depends where you are, but where I am it's exceptionally hard to make money doing that
you're almost guaranteed to find some indian guy that is happy to do the same job at half the price... very fricking badly mind you, but morons can't tell the difference, and that's mostly who you'll be catering to.
>Buy pre-built for 3k >They cheap out on numerous parts >Could have built the exact same PC but with non-Chinesium shit in it for a thousand less or more
I don't care if you all clown on me, temu and alliexpress have been the best thing that has come around in a while. I've saved way more than I thought I would buying from them so your loss I'd you're going to be randomly derogatory. I mean where do you think the PS5 and Xbox are made...
I've been building all my computers myself and I got kind of tired of figuring out what the new parts are and I never give a frick about cable management, also sometimes just frick up asembling
I built my own computer. I'm just saying people have fricked it up before and some people go full moron in moments like
>tfw repeatedly do the hair-raising task of seating the CPU and absolutely cramming down the heatsink onto it and really tightening those screw thingies onto the PCB so fricking tight you're almost certain you feel like it ought to fricking snap something you've put so much pressure on it
yet nothing catastrophic ever happened. Nothing snapped, no pins were bent
Or the guy earlier who couldn't figure things out because his memory was bad. Some morons can't even get their shit to turn on.
Prices have evened out relatively so yeah. You can snag a 4060TI for less than $500 now. Compare that to the last few years where your equivalent GPU was pushing $1000.
It's definitely worth it. It's cheaper, you learn how to do it for future which means you can troubleshoot any problems or upgrade as you please, only takes a few hours to learn how, parts are very durable, you still have a massive returns leeway. I had a part break a few years ago, literally sent back half my pc to amazon. They sent me the replacement parts before I did anything, I didn't even know what was the faulty part.
prebuilts still ship with mediocre PSUs at best, ticking firebombs at worst
spending $30 extra today on a quality PSU means you save $50 3-4 years from now when your PSU inevitably croaks, possibly >$200 if it takes down the mobo with it
not only that, you can perfectly reuse the PSU for a new build when you discard your current one
so yes, it is cheaper
This. Never skim out on a PSU.
I went through 3 """cheap""" ones in a year because they kept breaking and would straight up turn off my GPU.
Bought a numeral PSU and i've been using it for the last 10 years with no issues.
It's also the one component that is actually "never obsolete"
Suboptimal, slightly less energy efficient, maybe, but it's going to do what it's supposed to do forever unless there's a thunder strike or something crazy like that.
My seasonic gold PSU is 12 years old, has gone through 2 builds and is still trucking along, will likely go into a third if my laptop dies. Absolutely worth the money and the 6 week wait while it was out of stock.
The connectors are kinda obstructed by the GPU and unless you have tiny hands it's a chore to get in there.
I also said "the hardest", the difficulty is still relative to everything else you do, which isn't hard.
I had one, they suck, it's even worse trying to get a decent heatsink on + GPU + ram, my last PC i literally couldn't use the first channel from my ram because it was completely blocked by even the tiny stock heatsinks
In some games it gets like 10-20 more FPS over a 3060 Ti, but yeah most games it's getting like 5 extra FPS at most, and you're gong to be paying 100-200 more for it. It's honestly criminal that Nvidia is charging 500 bucks for that shit when it should be this generation's xx50 Ti model at best.
Hardly true during the covid GPU fricked price era which is still sort of the same now. I got a prebuilt with a 3080 around that time since it was far cheaper than getting a GPU separately along with everything else. My old PC had not much to be salvaged besides the storage and I was eyeing an upgrade for a while.
The thing is you would need to use prebuild sites that let you pick the parts custom instead of everything being picked for you. I heard horror stories about ibuypower but the PC I got from there was everything I wanted really. I probably bought during a shit time but considering the prices of GPUs are still fricked I feel validated not waiting and am happy with what I got.
Well, I was about to buy a prebuilt but my buddy made me a parts list and I did save 400€, gave him a fifth of whisky for the trouble of that and putting it together
I helped a friend build their new PC as well.
His first upgrade in like 8 years, still had a 970 in his rig.
Not sure how much i saved because prebuilt was never even an option to consider.
Yes, that statement still holds true.
Is it more convenient than buying a pre-build? Maybe not, but anyone with an IQ above room temperature shouldn't have any problems assembling a PC from scratch.
To me it's not even the price. If I save a bit okay cool but what is more important is the feeling of building your own PC. Like it makes it more unique. It's your thing and not some block you bought from store.
I decided to build my own pc this month. I cheaped out on the GPU since I don't plan on playing many modern games. I'm beginning to this I spent way too much for my specs though.
I chose the parts on pcpartpicker while streaming my screen a friend who has a pc so I'll just blame him if I really got scammed
I mean it is extremely on the low end and if you ever want to upgrade, you'll have to replace everything again.
What were you planning to do with the PC anyway?
Well I basically skipped out on the whole ps4 gen so I just wanna play stuff I missed from that time period.
Is it really that low end? I know the 1660 is a fairly old gpu but I didn't know it was that bad.
Also why would have to replace everything if I upgrade? I guess my friend really did frick me over.
He didn't really frick you over, he just did what you asked.
The problem is that new CPUs will need a new socket, which means that you will have to replace the motherboard again and probably the PSU as well.
It's not really an issue, depending on how often you plan to upgrade, if you upgrade once every 10 years, then by that time it would've been obsolete anyway, no matter what you got.
165 Hz Monitor is maybe overkill too. You're not going to reach those frames.
It's enough for the PS4 gen though. I have a very similar setup with a 1070 and an Ryzen 5 2600 myself and it worked just fine. It is 6 years old at this point though.
AM4 is a dead platform, so your cpu upgrade path is either 5800X3D (not that significant for most purposes), or buying new mobo+ram. AM5 is still very expensive compared to the actual gains in performance though, so I don't consider it a horrible decision.
430W may not be enough depending on what you want to upgrade to in the future (especially since it's on the low end quality wise as well)
128 GB ssd is hardly enough now. Can't even fit a modern bloated game with OS on it as well. I hope you didn't pay the $80 for a 1 TB HDD. You can get a 1 TB SSD for less than that.
I dunno if a cheapo cpu cooler with 100mm fan is even worth it over AMD stock cooler if you're that short on money.
Case can be reused at least.
You could have done a lot better. The 1tb harddrive for $80 is a shit deal, could have gotten a 2tb ssd for that price. The CPU cooler wasn't needed because the stock cooler with the 5500 is adequate for that processor. You could have gotten an RX6600xt which is more powerful than your gpu for the same price. That PSU is prebuilt tier too.
AM4 is a dead platform, so your cpu upgrade path is either 5800x3D (not that significant for most purposes), or buying new mobo+ram. AM5 is still very expensive compared to the actual gains in performance though, so I don't consider it a horrible decision.
430W may not be enough depending on what you want to upgrade to in the future (especially since it's on the low end quality wise as well)
128 GB ssd is hardly enough now. Can't even fit a modern bloated game with OS on it as well. I hope you didn't pay the $80 for a 1 TB HDD. You can get a 1 TB SSD for less than that.
I dunno if a cheapo cpu cooler with 100mm fan is even worth it over AMD stock cooler if you're that short on money.
Case can be reused at least.
He didn't really frick you over, he just did what you asked.
The problem is that new CPUs will need a new socket, which means that you will have to replace the motherboard again and probably the PSU as well.
It's not really an issue, depending on how often you plan to upgrade, if you upgrade once every 10 years, then by that time it would've been obsolete anyway, no matter what you got.
165 Hz Monitor is maybe overkill too. You're not going to reach those frames.
It's enough for the PS4 gen though. I have a very similar setup with a 1070 and an Ryzen 5 2600 myself and it worked just fine. It is 6 years old at this point though.
Ah shit, well its too late now because I already bought the parts. Guess I need to do more research next time.
i'm sure this was true pre-crypto bullshit
when i was in need of a new computer during the height of that i tried making a mid-tier pc on pcpartpicker and it was totalling at around 1000
bestbuy meanwhile had a deal for a prebuilt for 700
i plugged in all the parts that it came with and it was around 1200
i'm sure they fricked me on lower-quality parts, but it's been running smoothly so i can't really complain
My brother is a complete loser autist who refuses to build a PC and insists that he just wants a prebuilt. I tried to convince him but to no avail. At least I want to point him to a decent pre-built. What’s the best site to buy from these days? I’ve heard good things about NZXT.
Once you factor in the cost of paying to use your own internet to play multiplayer games over the course of the gen, a $1000 PC really isn't that much more. Not to mention that 1000 dollar PC is likely going to beat whatever Pro model refresh they release halfway through the gen.
You're assuming every person plays multiplayer. I have spent a whopping $30 on Xbox Live and $10 on PS+ in the past decade and a half. Unless you are playing multiplayer games every single day for every single month of your life there is no reason to ever include that nonsensical argument as justification for any sort of cost.
You play them frequently enough that the cost of online is an actual footnote in your spending? You can get XBL for free due to their rewards system and PS+ 1 years are like $30 on sale constantly.
If you want to play with them even once the cost has to be added, you don't get charged based on how much you play.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Point being that it would take well over 10 years for you to hit a $1000 PC cost if you were paying for PS+ every single year since $40 sales are even easier to find than $30 sales for a year. If you are just going to play for one month then up until like a year or two ago buying one month was $5. You can't in good conscience argue that every single person is buying $60 yearly subscriptions because not everyone plays multiplayer or co-op, and even if they do there's sales on year subscriptions and three month subscriptions so often that you'd have to intentionally ignore every website that does them.
Like I said, I have spent a total of $35 or $40 across a decade and a half on a PS4 and Xbox One for the online. In my situation I have spent less that what
Once you factor in the cost of paying to use your own internet to play multiplayer games over the course of the gen, a $1000 PC really isn't that much more. Not to mention that 1000 dollar PC is likely going to beat whatever Pro model refresh they release halfway through the gen.
is arguing despite having bought two individual systems and even saved money compared to his $1000 PC. This is also assuming I paid full price for both systems, when I got my Xbox One X brand new for $300 and my PS4 Pro brand new for $400. So in reality I saved $250 compared to that example and both systems still play recent games better than a $1000 PC in 2013 would.
>Putting together my pc >Case design is shit and has literally no room for the gpu bracket when you're putting it so it grazes the motherboard the whole way while you slide it into place >Putting in GPU >Cat knocks down a bunch of plates in the kitchen and a few shattered >I jump >Scratch Mobo >Panic and plug everything in real quickly to test it >Boot loop It was actually because I forgot to plug the PCIE cable into the gpu
Yeah, when I built a computer a few years ago I actually bought a prebuilt PC to harvest the graphics card and sold the prebuilt with my old graphics card for a $200 loss, got a $800 card for $200 basically. Overall, my computer was cheaper than that prebuilt, even after reselling it, and had better specs.
It depends.
You can do a no-gpu set up these days, and it's cheaper than buying a PC, and you can still play a ton of games.
But with how the GPU market is now in general it might be marginally cheaper to buy a prebuilt if you want a gpu since OEMs get deals on graphics cards in bulk and can afford to sell you the part without moronicly overcharging you for it.
Especially if you want Nvidia since their target end user market are scalping morons.
unironically yes. I bought a pre built for 300 and it was still on fricking ddr3 with gt1030. if you buy off ebay you can get a more powerful build for the exact same price.
Yes, I build PCs for people, and I charge $50 for it. But I live in central Europe, so I imagine that in the USA or western Europe, the cost is higher. That being said, I try my best and do not try to save money on power supplies, SSDs, and RAMs. But it is still 50 dollars that, if you did build it yourself, you could use on, say, a better case or a bigger SSD.
It is, you can, as well, skimp out on the MOBO, RAM, PSU, the case, etc. get the cheapest GPU cooler/PCB manufacturer.
Making it cheap is not hard at all, getting a PC that'll last you a very long time is, especially if you're moronic and don't know what the frick goes on in there.
I often have to visit my gamer friends to fix their shit because they're moronic and brought prebuilts, hell, they don't even dare to clean the damn thing.
But hey, I get it, we all got tons of cash, saving time is nice when possible, but the best part of owning a PC is building it yourself, nothing beats that feeling.
And I will shame you if you buy prebuilts, because you're a filthy casual.
Yeah, still cheaper.
No matter how cheap the prefab looks and how good a deal it appears to be, if you were to make a build with equivalent actual performance to that prefab, it would be cheaper to build it yourself. The problem is that you don't necessarily know what kind of mystery meat you're getting unless you build it yourself.
Technically it is, comparing building a pc yourself vs a prebuilt is how much you value the time but it also has a cascading effect of you becoming more competent at similar activiites, in the future you might fix something yourself instead of paying someone else
Something mostly obtuse and unnecessary and some moron on Ganker takes pride in something like it like it's some form of skill despite being a basic point of completion?
Yeah, I'd say it's a "filter".
All you have to do is check your mobo specs. Most are even nice enough to print it on the board. If you can't read then I am sorry but you did get filtered.
>literally just look in the mobo's manual for the designated pin for each connector, and that's assuming it's not already stenciled on the board itself >AIEEE GankerSAMA SAVE ME
just get a prebuilt, or pay the $30 to have the shop assemble it for you
Anon what you're doing is the equivalent of bragging to a room of people that think it's unpleasant to have your hand stuck in a jar of salt and barbed wire.
Telling them that they couldn't handle it.
And you're at the meeting FOR people with their hands stuck in jars full of barbed wire and salt.
No.
Deal with your illiteracy first, then read the fricking manual.
Or pay for someone to do it. Schizoing about what people do is not gonna assemble your toaster.
>compares building a puter to sticking your hand stuck in a jar of salt and barbed wire
never claimed to be either
but you sure are "special"
and deserve the best spot in the special needs short bus
11 months ago
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You don't understand metaphors
11 months ago
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You used hyperbole, not metaphor. Clearly it is you who doesn't understand either.
11 months ago
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Hyperbole is a form of metaphor, you double moron
11 months ago
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https://lmgtfy.app/?q=metaphor+merriam
https://lmgtfy.app/?q=hyperbole+merriam
also, RTFM
also, go frick yourself
11 months ago
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Difference only exists in poetic writing as a deliberately choice.
Rhetorically hyperbole is a derivative of metaphor. >unironically posting a lmgtfy
11 months ago
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>I use words with the meaning I want them to have
Concession accepted. Bye.
11 months ago
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Meaningfully separate hyperbole from being a derivative of metaphor without using poetic writing rules.
Tip: You can't.
11 months ago
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Yo momma so fat she broke the bed farting.
Pure exaggeration, no metaphor, analogue, simile or poetry involved.
Now kindly go frick yourself.
I can read, it's just that I have pretty big hands and typically when I put one of these together it's smooshed up against the side of the case where it's a pain in the ass to put them in so I have to fiddle with tweezers and hope they all decide to stay in place while I'm finishing it. I'm aware they're like this because panels aren't standardized, but would it really be that difficult to include like a little plastic clip you can insert them into to make it less of a pain in the ass to plug in?
>the absolute fricking state of the universe
It's over...
I can read, it's just that I have pretty big hands and typically when I put one of these together it's smooshed up against the side of the case where it's a pain in the ass to put them in so I have to fiddle with tweezers and hope they all decide to stay in place while I'm finishing it. I'm aware they're like this because panels aren't standardized, but would it really be that difficult to include like a little plastic clip you can insert them into to make it less of a pain in the ass to plug in?
Yes because you can buy the exact hardware that caters to your requirements unlike prebuilts where it's unoptimized for what it's marketed for but is still too much for what you want
idk
i am building a crt computer with more modern specs
and shit costs only a bit cheaper than just buying a regular computer
still think it's worth it tho
i love having my dream computer
It's like making your own home made food vs going for takeaway food. With takeaway, sure it might taste nice but the restaurant don't care about the food being healthy and the wagie who makes it could frick up in some way. Whereas, if you make your own food you choose the exact ingredients, can make it way healthier and you know exactly how it was made
yeah, but is the difference really THAT great, though? like, if i got a medium rig and another rig that had the best components but where the gpu and the cou was the same in both rigs, what would the difference be in games? i really doubt having the best ram and the best ssd is going to make that much of a difference.
>buy a $500 console >it supports AAA games for the next 9-10 years >clean it once every 3-4 years (takes 5 minutes), just werks
>buy a $500 PC >it can run AAA games with stable framerate and low-mid graphics settings for the next 2-3 years, afterwards it won't be able to hold 30 FPS in 720p, every single component has already degraded and you have to replace everything except for the case and the monitor
the only argument for PC gayming is the lack of paid multiplayer, but multiplayer games are for stupid people anyways
This is such a bullshit argument. My laptop is 10y old and i still play games on it. It only started showing it's age with these new rtx enabled bullshit releases that makes everything unoptimized.
I'd believe you up until the 'laptop' part. A 10 years old laptop running AAA games, my ass. Unless just getting to the main menu is running a game in your opinion, you're talking out of your ass.
I don't play CoD or EA games if that's what you're talking about. I don't know what AAA are out there to play. I have 200h of Elden Ring if that counts.
>dude, PC is soo much better than consoles >uh, a PC that costs as much as a new PS5? sure, you'll be able to play... Touhou 12... and other acclaimed games..
>I can only play the latest mainstream titles on the latest hardware or I'm being left behind
You know what? You're right. For your case, PC is bad. Stick to your $500 console, so you can play the "game" on low settings at sub-900p25fps just so you can engage in the watercooler talk with the other soibois at work tomorrow over your current life-avoiding digital distraction product.
11 months ago
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Yeah dood all those ultra settings make mom wet
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>game runs like shit >game looks like shit >game is shit >but can talk about game with other balding homosexuals at work in between mandatory HR meetings about the breakroom's communal LGBT pride flag-colored buttplugs
Yeah. No thanks. I'll stick to my videogames as a hobby.
Well, when I'm talking about longevity and affordability of consoles, I don't think about shitty RPG maker games that could run on a fricking DS. (unlike PC tards, lel)
>every single component has already degraded and you have to replace everything except for the case and the monitor
Power supply and memory doesn't need to be replaced outside of switching your OS to an SSD if you're somehow still running HDD. Not to mention that's not how generations work, sure if you're upgrading to the latest with ddr5 shit you'll need to replace the motherboard and ram but you can easily upgrade within your generation and see improvements from the initial build through a new CPU or slapping in more or faster ram. Also unless you're using an xbone emulation is also a huge bonus for going pc instead of consoles.
Elden Ring, Resident Evil 4, Dead Island 2, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, the list goes on - some of the biggest games of this decade are available on Xbox One (500 dollars) and PS4 (400 dollars at launch), consoles released in 2013. Show me a $400 PC from 2013 running games released in the past three years with more than 15 frames per second.
It's definitely not easy. many ways you can frick up by just static charge, CPU, incompatible items, underwattage, or shit that plain doesnt fit, bad airflow etc. I'm missing quite a few things I'm sure.
I always just hire some nerd to do it for me for 150 euro, get all the excellent parts I need for my enormous custom built zombie PC. Doing it all myself is a fricking hassle, why bother with all that shit when I just need a serious upgrade every 8 years or so.
Ofcourse, replacing a GRAca or ram is something I can do myself, but even there you can frick up.
I just checked NewEgg and I notice under a bunch of the prebuilts GPU section it says (Brand may vary) >Spending 2000+ on a rig and getting a ZOTAC
Buying prebuilts is now official gacha tier
>Just about finished building the rig >Have to plug in the little cables >They're blocked by everything else >Or in a stupid spot >Hands aren't Asian girl sized so it's a pain in the ass
Honestly makes me wanna kms
Also my heatsink is so big I have to take it off to swap Ram lol
its cheapest to build enough funds for a console unless you live in a(third world) country where your corrupt government taxes their sales. sucks for you guys lmao
I bought a 2000$ prebuilt(pick your own parts, they assemble) during the black Friday weekend for only 1200$, I used Newegg, Amazon and PC parts picker to look at the cost of building the exact same PC myself, and lo and behold even with the 99$ assembly fee I was still saving 300$. Why the frick would I build it myself in this case? Especially considering I already have experience building/maintaining PCs
>(pick your own parts, they assemble)
That's not a prebuilt, genius
A prebuilt is assembled from pieces the brand chose, not you, and shipped in bulk to retailers who sell them to the average joe
You know this and you're just arguing semantics for amusement
Spend $60 for oil change
Spend $200 for tools to change yourself
Even if it is more expensive you can use things in your next build to make it cheaper in the long run.
>Thermal paste wont go bad >Cpu fans have brackets for compatibility >ATX case is ATX case >Power supply depending on draw >Ram can usually stretch 2 builds before something faster is needed (DDR4 lasted 8+ years)
I can buy a I7 motherboard combo with DDR5 ram for $450 and use most of the above for a substantial upgrade.
>car comes with jack >if you don't already have a socket wrench you're a homosexual >filter wrenches are $8 at home depot
You're paying for the oil and filter anyway.
Every man should already have the tools, and I think most homosexuals would have them, too. You're literally more useless than a woman if you don't have tools already.
11 months ago
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You are autist levels of insane. You think people are just born with tools and extra computer parts?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Just go to the store and buy some, pussy.
Your dad called you a sissy homosexual when you were 12 or something, didn't he?
No, but he said you were.
11 months ago
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I've never had a homie agree with me this aggresively ha. I literally said buy the parts and it will be cheaper overtime.
11 months ago
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This isn't twitter. You're not black.
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11 months ago
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Your dad called you a sissy homosexual when you were 12 or something, didn't he?
It is indeed cheaper because doing it yourself results in just the cost of the parts, whereas prebuilds are the cost of the parts plus a fee for putting it together. Established custom PC companies are able to get components at a lower cost than you would be able to yourself, because of things like bulk discounts, but that is almost always offset by the build fee.
Another thing to consider is the actual value of what you are paying for. Custom PC companies know that their main customer base are people that are less tech-savvy, specifically people who really only know to care about the "big" components like the GPU and who will see advertising like "Fantastic 3080TI Nvidia gaming PC" and go for it without actually looking at what's in the rest of the system. This means that custom PCs often come with lower spec components than an equally priced self-made one, with things like the ram, cooling, and even the GPU itself (shitty blower cards instead of better quality versions) all falling short. You essential run the risk of paying more for less.
PC vs console is an entirely different kettle of fish. Which is cheaper is irrelevant, because they are both serving completely different audiences. You build a PC when you want a computer that does computer things that you can also game on, with the knowledge that you can gradually upgrade it over time and that you can potentially have games run at higher resolutions or frame rates. You buy a console because you want plug and play, access to exclusives, access to console only features, and the assurance that every game you buy will run with no issues and that the system itself will last up to or exceeding an entire decade (depending on when in its product cycle you bought it).
I'm not even sure it is anymore, prices have exploded and the competition in prebuilt have led margins to shrink a lot. Just the warranty you get with a prebuilt might make up most or all of the difference.
not really. I managed to spend like 150% percent of a prebuilt's price because I'm mentally moronic. At the same time you can be scammed by prebuilts too if you don't know what to look out for, choosing a last gen cpu if the newest gen is available for roughly the same price is just a scam, there is no reason not to pick the newest gen, ddr5 and usb-c ports with at least 10 gbit speed in the current season.
About screw tightening, cpu coolers including mine (a be quiet cooler) require that you fasten them down to the mobo and the screws happen to be very resistant for some of them. The cooler will literally not be correctly on the cpu if you don't do this, so the statement "if you feel any amount of resistance on the screws you have to stop" is factually incorrect garbage at least as far as coolers are concerned and the homosexuals who spread this lie should kys
I dunno. I’ve been looking to upgrade from my prebuilt from several years ago and everything that’s recommended leads up to over a $1000. I’m a brainlet, so I have know idea where to look to find these cheap builds
It was not for a while during the covidhell, but it's back to normal.
Also if you build your PC yourself, you have the option of not buying an absolute dogshit PSU that will burn your entire machine to the ground and/or proprietary mobo that requires the shit PSU to work.
I ended up buying a PowerSpec PC from Microcenter and just slapping a GTX 1080 in it. I was in a dinky apartment with the girlfriend, our one-year old, and FRICKING cats at the time and didn't want to frick with trying to put everything together. It's been like seven years now and it's served me well.
a 1 year old, cats, and a gf? lol bro you probably got to play that thing for 1 hour every 3 weeks. I probably would've just abandoned video games til the kid was kindergarten age or something.
The price of GPUs are through the roof, but yes. Things like HDDs, SSDs, RAMs and motherboards are really cheap nowadays.
There is another aspect to building the PC yourself: the knowledge of where the parts are for cleaning and maintenance.
Sooner or later you'll probably want to upgrade a part. It's simpler to know where everything is and you just quickly swap the component. If you had it pre-built, you have to contact someone else to do it for you, which is more time and money.
>the knowledge of where the parts are for cleaning and maintenance
this really is a huge upside. back when I was a kid my pc would have problems and I'd be too scared to investigate and maybe frick it up. it was probably just too much dust and if I had learned about it I wouldn't have had the trouble. not sure if the local library would've had pc books to read about it though.
>pcgays always pirate games so devs don't optimize them as well on pc >need high end parts to play a game at the same framerate as a console >"pcs are cheaper than consoles :^)"
In general, probably not. You can get dirt cheap laptops, but they are NOT powerful in the slightest.
You can definitely build a “cheaper” gaming rig, meaning you can get more bang for your buck. This can be slightly more expensive than a prebuilt, but you probably have substantially better components.
Cheaper is a bad word to use - you can definitely build something with better value though.
You can think of the labor as warrenty just incase things go bad. If you make a mistake, and anyone can make a mistake, you only have yourself to blame.
No idea about cheaper but it's definitely better. I have top tier parts for literally everything - SSD, RAM, fans, GPU, CPU, mobo, power supply. No compromises whatsoever.
>buy all your parts >let the webshop build it for you for extra 100 buckaroos >cable managed and everything is ok >if something is wrong out of the box warranty/RMA is no hassle
vs >buy all parts >put it together yourself, figure out cable management, hope you don't bend a tiny ass socket pin or make any other mistakes >if anything goes wrong you're fricked because they can just say it was a user error
i'd rather just pay them 100 bucks more for the convenience of not having to deal with bullshit
>paying 100 bucks for the computer equivalent of pic related because he's too moronic to route some cables and too much of an anxious wreck to call customer support
How do I get morons to give me money for this? Do I just advertise on craigslist?
Yes, but crypto irreparably fricked the price of everything and made corporations like nvidia realize they could just sell GPUs for insane prices and get away with it so it's not that much cheaper anymore.
>PC >What? >DO YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF PC THIS IS? >It's a PC, duh. >Hahaha....AKCTUALLY IT'S the Alienware Aurora R15 created by Alienware in 2022 with 13th Gen Intel® Core™ i5 13400F (10-Core, 29.5MB Total Cache, 2.5Ghz to 4.6GHz P-Core @ Max Turbo) with NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3050, 8 GB GDDR6 and Dark Side of the Moon 1350W PSU, Alienware Cryo-tech ™ Edition CPU Liquid Cooling & Clear Side Panel, including 256GB NVMe M.2 PCIe SSD. It also has NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 4090, 24 GB GDDR6X, 64 GB, 2 x 32 GB, DDR5, 4800 MHz, XMP (Overclockable up to 5200Mhz), 4TB NVMe M.2 PCIe SSD (Boot) + 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s (Storage)
HDD is very good for mass storage.
Wether it's for hoarding things like movies or games, keeping family photos and videos or yes even porn, the HDD can take it all for a ridiculously cheap price.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XCPpyK
I can guarantee you'll never find a prebuilt with these exact same components. So not only is building cheaper, but also opens up countless possibilities for assembling various compatible parts.
Yeah, last I checked it was at least 25% cheaper since you aren't paying for labor. Pre-builts also prioritize quantity over quality, so you're actually more likely to get something thats DOA.
>~~*chip shortage*~~ was going on in 2020 >wanted a 3070 >price is 3k for the card alone, for me buying from local retailers >yeah. nah. >mindlessly browse for prebuilts >1999 for a prebuilt with a ryzen 7 and a 3070 >wtf >i’ll just fricking buy that instead and if the other parts like mobo / ram is shit i’ll just grab the card and use it in my current pc. whatever >it gets here, decent mobo and case >ended up just using my ram / storage from my old pc in the new one
prebuilts aren’t too bad these days and i always built my own PCs and (tried to) repaired/cleaned/serviced them though
many things are cheaper when you throw in your own labor and headaches, rather than letting others do that for you
It's kind of the entire basis of many industries
It used to be before normies caught on, like all good things.
Still is.
Proof, or you’re a consolegay
why would him saying its still cheaper to build your own pc mean hes a consolegay, you fat Black person?
Gpus are twice the price they used to be
And pre-builts adjusted because they don't want to miss out. Aside from the beginning of the crypto bubble when pre-built prices took longer to inflate than standalone parts, they've always sold PCs full of bargain bin parts at the same price as custom builds full of decent ones, because the average buyer sees the GPU name and stops thinking.
What changed?
The crypto mining fad caused morons to go out and scalp all the high end components in stock thinking it will be the next big thing.
>mfw I managed to get a £300 GPU for retail and sold it to some crypto tard for £1000 during the height of scalping
based, did you buy a top of the line gpu once crypto crashed?
Fire Nation Attacked
demand went up but supply stayed the same, prices skyrocketed
yes. The only problem is availability. don't forget that store prebuilts or alienwares uses degraded, lower quality pieces so their 4080 will run worse than the one you get yourself.
I'm gonna need some proof or at least a good argument why they would do that.
all electronics is done with a % of accuracy, and the cards are tested in the end of the chain, the defective ones that still run are sent to prebuilt. It's the same for all electronics.
Prebuilt also solder the pieces together or change the shape of the pieces to ensure you can't fix your problem yourself too.
alienware uses proprietary boards dumb Black person fricking google it
Why must normies ruin everything? Youtube is partly to blame too back in the days there was no youtube tutorial guides on how to build PCs.
Because the average normie actually equates building a computer to a skill and they want to be paid for that skill and building computers is actually fricking easy as shit and can make you a quick cash injection if some Karen needs a gaming computer for her kid.
dont blame normies
blame the morons who overcharge for all the shit
>you use normies
>no one bats an eye
>I use normies
>get told to go back until I stop using cringe terminology
>pcgays boasting about how consoletards should just build a computer
>they do and things get more expensive as a result
>"REEEEE FRICKING NORMIES RUINING EVERYTHING!!!!"
shut the frick up you dumb normalgay
No normalgay would ever build a pc but buy an overpriced prebuilt
Not anymore
I haven't checked recently, but maybe? For awhile it wasn't because of the stupid cryptocurrency crap (was cheaper to go pre-built), but I think if it hasn't swung back the other way already, it should get there?
If you know all the parts you need and how to build it, sure, but that’s definitely no easy feat and it’s hard to teach yourself how to do it with no one in the room guiding you. A video can only do so much before you run into a road block the video doesn’t have a solution for. Then you have to deal with upgrades, trouble shooting, bugs, updates, software, and a bunch of other shit. That’s why consoles are superior and always will be superior. Plug in and play, no horseshit.
>If you know all the parts you need and how to build it, sure
PC Part Picker makes it incredibly easy for newcomers, I've just started using it because it just makes shit super easy
https://pcpartpicker.com/
>starting to build a pc for it work
>want to play vidya
>monitor with 4k 60 is 500+
>a nice one with 4k, 144 is 800+
>the nicest tier is 1200+
I cant believe 4k/120 monitors are so much
There's a bunch of 4k/144 monitors on Amazon for around 500.
Because 4k is a scam
4k is a meme, 1080p is enough for a monitor.
Blame consoles for pushing this meme.
Because of that, morons now think 4k is the "standard" and 1080p is some shitty 480p tier resolution and that you need to buy a 1000$ GPU for 4k.
And also think new tech is a meme because they can't run everything cranked to the max at 120 fps on their new GPU.
I like 1440p, it feels like a nice upgrade to me.
high pixel density objectively looks better though. 4k on a 27 inch monitor btfos 1080p on a 27 inch monitor.
reject monkey resolution embrace 1440p
>falling for the 4k meme
I can't even make out single pixels on my 32 inch 1440 monitor from more than 2 feet away
A higher pixel density is a complete waste
>4k
>anything less than 60"
And they said that PC is the master race
buy a 4k tv with 120 refresh rate dumb frick it will be bigger and cheaper too
I just want a big monitor with a good refresh rate so I can sit back on the couch and play vidya or watch anime from there. Is that so much to ask?
Logicalincrements.com is also a super great one, just look around at other places for a cheaper pricing, but it's literally a set of stuff that all fits together no thought necessary. It's perfect if you don't know what you're doing.
It is literally the most fricking simple thing in the world that children can figure out you mongoloid. The only things I can see being awkward the first time are installation order and those tiny I/O plugs.
>It is literally the most fricking simple thing in the world that children can figure out you mongoloid.
Why are you just outright lying you fricking moron? It isn't very hard, but neither is driving, the problem is how much you stand to lose if you frick it up. I can build a lego, but if building the lego wrong flushes $300 down the toilet I'm going to be much more cautious about it.
Do you get an electrician round every time you plug in your toaster in case you frick it up?
The literal only thing you could frick up is part compatibility. You cannot mess it up so long as you know how to read.
Wasnt there a website that can tell you if theh parts are incompatible before you buy them?
You literally cannot frick up
I fricked up an ssd once because the cables on my psu were too short, but thats the only time in like 12 PCs that I've built that any damage has ever happened.
>tfw repeatedly do the hair-raising task of seating the CPU and absolutely cramming down the heatsink onto it and really tightening those screw thingies onto the PCB so fricking tight you're almost certain you feel like it ought to fricking snap something you've put so much pressure on it
yet nothing catastrophic ever happened. Nothing snapped, no pins were bent
You don't need to tighten them that hard
Some of those heatsinks i had to attach used those push-pin things, so it was all or nothing, either get the screw/plug whatever past the hole and it latches or it doesnt stay on at all
The moment you feel any tension on a screwdriver, you stop, that's the golden rule.
Heatsinks are usually allen screws. Same stuff applies though, the moment you can't easily turn it with just a single finger at the tip of the wrench, it's enough.
I have severe OCD, so any time I have to tighten a screw or plug something in I always have to tighten it as hard as I can or push as hard as I can well past the point where I know it's fine because if I don't I get so torturously anxious and uncomfortable I want to tear my hair out and scream
I've stripped so many screws and broken so many things because of this
it's literally impossible for me to ever build a computer, I would either break everything or get so overwhelmed by it because of my OCD I would completely break down
I think maybe you should be paying for professional help rather than a PC
But the CORRECT way to screw in a screw is until it is hand tight...
Your OCD makes you do it wrong instead of obsessively overly correct.
>your mental illness makes you do irrational things, why don't you just THINK RATIONALLY
a literal child wrote this
Calm down, Arthur.
I was likr you but after reading your post now I'm healed
dude go to a psychiatrist/psychologist: they generally do cognitive behavioral therapy and if needed they use medications like fluvoxamine maleate
I don't have health insurance or a job
>not seating your cpu and having to lever down the arm
Seating your CPU is really easy, it's just that you can break two very expensive things at the same time if you are a moron and do it wrong.
Levering down the arm is also easy in theory, but it does feel "wrong" so it is encouraging to have someone tell you "Yes, it is supposed to feel sorta hard to push down".
The hardest thing for me was unplugging my old motherboard (not an issue if you build a new PC from scratch) and plugging in the CPU power cable into the top left of the motherboard. It's just such an awkward angle, you don't really see where you are because your hand is in the way and it's dark. Also, I cut my hand doing that.
I think I'll just plug that cable into the motherboard before I even mount it to the case in the future.
Yeah I usually just take out the entire motherboard when I have to mess with things like that
Before i made my first computer in high school i was pretty much bullied by the people on the forum i frequented into sucking it up and build the damn thing. They compared it to lego.
They helped double and triple check the list of stuff i was gonna buy and put together before i pulled the trigger on the purchase.
I had guidance but i didn't have anyone in the room with me, and what help i did have wasnt live/real-time assistance
open discord, start a vc with a friend who knows computers, easy guidance
the only complication I had was not knowing what CPU sockets were but I figured it out quick enough
I disagree, since a lot more than ten years pc are just plug and play legos with bsbby tier sockets. All the update are constantly automated too because we are perpetually online.
>cabinet
>power supply
>motherboard
>harddrive
>GPU
>CPU
>RAM
>OS
that's all you need, how to assemble it can be looked up in a video no problem
>in the age of instant questions-and-answers and moron-resistant guides freely available on the internet
the only difficult part is the manual dexterity and conviction required to connect the pins
for everything else READ THE FRICKING MANUAL
i know that /vee/ is basically blue /bee/ (read: full of morons) but i'd expect at least some competency in the field
>you have to be knowledgeable and have DIY problem solving skills
I agree man, zoomers who don't even know what file explorer is will get filtered
>but that’s definitely no easy feat and it’s hard to teach yourself how to do it with no one in the room guiding you.
Black person I put my own PC together when I was 13 years old 15 years ago.
I didn't have a second computer (or phone) I could use to check shit on the internet. I literally just put it together using the manuals that come with the parts.
It was easy back then, and its even easier now. Building modern PC's is literally just oversized legos. There's only one fricking place everything can go into.
Genuine question, are you moronic?
>Then you have to deal with upgrades, trouble shooting, bugs, updates, software, and a bunch of other shit.
that's the easiest part, but i guess normies do have to struggle with a simple windows activation.
>DIY problem solving skills
You mean pale skin and an IQ above 90. I'm not interested in making a solution for people who don't fit that criteria.
it's not hard but it's also something most people don't bother with so they feel nervous and probably heard a ton of shit about how computers are always breaking or have problems
i think it's 100% anxiety of trying something new but with expensive shit on the line, a lot of people refuse to build their own computers simply because of this reason
>i have a friend who is constantly on voicechat/video calls to help set up pc parts/build computers
I'm an absolute moron who can barely pay attention to things and yet I've still managed to make several PC builds over the years
good job explosing yourself as a console poorgay though
>*exposing
damn
It's piss easy it just looks like it'd be hard.
It's better to doordash food every day. Sure it's insanely expensive and not tailor made just for you, but cooking takes all this equipment and skill. You have to know what ingredients to use, combine them all, not burn anything and operate all kinds of tools in the process, it's no easy feat. That's why I order goyslop every night, just pay and eat, no horseshit
if i ate food once every five years I would doordash and you'd be moronic not to.
I trust what my doctor tells me. Do you know how complex medicine is? You need to know dosing, endless human body systems, chemistry and so many other things! I don't have time to look all that up. I have my vax, all five boosters, my sleeping pills, my ADHD pills and of course my antidepressants. I tell him what my problems are, he gives me the meds, I pay the money, no horseshit.
Depends on gpu prices but generally yes. It also depends on your target.
Fricking NO lol
It was once, now it’s not. Honestly my casual ass will probably get one of those mini pc that are like the size of your hand at some point.
They are fine and can play most games upto 2018 with low graphic settings and a few graphical errors. However make sure you get the 16gb ram version and Alder lake chipset and you replace the thermal paste as soon as you get it as they use an inferior paste.
*buys a steamdeck*
uhhhh... nope
steam 'eck is the exception since it's subsidized by gaben's piles of money in order to serve as a trojan horse for linux adoption
just buy prebuild
it just works
Building has never been about saving money for me.
Full freedom of choice and proper assembly and cable management is why i build
depends on your needs. nowadays 1080p gaming is dirt cheap since pretty much any card can run it very well, even older cards so price isnt as big an issue. if you want the latest and greatest however its definitely worse because of how much theyve been increasing GPU prices.
This. 1080p is cheap and you can put a reliable comp together on a budget.
As soon as you bump up your resolution things get questionable. Jumping to 1440p is almost twice as many pixels and the math just doesn't work in your favor in most cases.
Any newer 16:10 monitors for gaming?
How would a "monitor for gaming" differ from any other monitor? Not trying to be an ass, genuinely wondering.
Higher refresh rate
Ah so things that aren't exclusive to tags like "gaming"
Why would you need low response time for anything but gaming or niche professional work?
Faster response time. I use a TV as my second monitor and it's 30ms slower.
try and plug your tv onto your pc and move your mouse around, you'll see the difference.
every time i’ve tried to diy something instead of just buying retail it only end up being like 100 bucks cheaper.
Am I going crazy, or was this exact same thread with these same replies posted a while back?
I've noticed that a few times before too, anon. We are not crazy. These replies are all bots.
Actually in generally the OPs are recycled by bots Or really desperate OPs
The posts tend to be organic and since not much changes they tend to be the same assuming the kinds of people who post in these threads haven't gotten bored and left.
every single thread in the catalog has been posted before and so have the replies. vedditors are boring and uncreative morons, who knew.
>arguments and straight up facts don’t change
shocking
deja vu
I've just been in this place before
yeah, only a couple guys on here are real people. the rest are feds or bots. i've seen identical posts being created for years. now and then, they even include my responses in them. i'll respond to a israelite or bot in a post and then they'll just scoop it up and use the next time they make that same post. very odd behavior, i must say.
i think pc places take 50-100 money to build computer. so it depends how much you can earn in the time it takes to build and setup computer.
if you've high paying job then it's generally better to pay other people do things because it takes your time away which you could use to earn much more money than what you're paying.
i guess it just comes down to what your time is worth to you
Yes, but not everyone has the patience or competence to build it themself
bump
Depends on where you live. In my country (Australia) doing menial shit a monkey can do is so overvalued I would be paying an extra 100-200 bucks easy for some c**t to put the fricking computer legos together. Some companies have chink contacts with lower margins that can offer you a good deal but thats the exception, not the rule in my experience.
How many lazy homosexuals are on this site now? You morons seriously can't do at max 2 hours work?
Selecting your parts and having it shipped already prebuilt is much easier. I hope you morons crying about "muh legos!!!" keep that same energy when it comes to fixing your own car, doing repairs on your house, or making your own furniture
>letting some pajeet build you a pc
What can possibly go wrong
Not much actually, especially when you can just spend 5 minutes to check the build when you get it. Pretty much all these companies are based in and ship from the US though.
>bros it's so easy!
>what? You would trust someone else to do it for you?
Pick one.
>comparing building a PC to fixing a car
Autist gymnastics. You're still a lazy fat homosexual
>making furniture from scratch is the same as plugging some parts and cables into designated slots
You have brain damage
New cars are deliberately being made as complicated to frick with as possible.
PCs are being made easier to frick with.
Older cars are not actually even that hard to repair... My dad never went into any school for it but does it all the time. Like. It really is just legos. If one brick breaks just buy a new one and replace it. But with modern cars they come with complicated electronic systems that can be near impossible for people to tamper with and the parts are also often not available for You to purchase.
It was when the PS4 and XBone came out because they were underpowered. But actually most consoles have released with hardware exceeding or equivalent to the best of what was available on PC for a time for cheaper. Of course after 2 years this typically dissolved. The 360 was far more capable than anything but top of the line monster PCs in 2005
I remember how around 2010 you could build a PC for like $500-$700 that smoked the consoles (run the games at 1080p/60fps/max no problem while consoles were 720p/30fps/med at best) with 50%+ off Steam sales for months-old games and it was just a no brainer to jump in.
The value proposition just isn't there anymore, the PC part makers saw to that.
2010 we still had the Xbox 360 and PS3. They both were old at that point and still underutilized. PS3 peaked with GTA V in 2013.
Well, yeah, it's a business to make computers for others. How would it make any money if this wasn't true.
>inb4 this is one of a thousand pasta spam threads on Ganker and I just can't be fricked checking archive for a few seconds
Still is relevant, yes.
cheaper and probably worth knowing how to do
not that i know how to do it
Now that prices are going down its way cheaper.
i don't know. are graphics card still overpriced from crypto miners?
Not when GPU are impossible to buy
It's probably more practical to buy a prebuilt these days.
>got a 600 dollar EVGA 3080ti a week before the news dropped
Not anymore no, but I sure did get lucky. Have fun repping gigabyte and asus lmao.
Gigabyte New B450M DS3H V2 Motherboard + AMD New Ryzen 5 5600 R5 5600 CPU Processor Socket AM4 + GALAXY 8G 3200 8G*2 RAM mATX: $220
SOYO AMD Radeon RX5700XT Video Memory 8G Graphics Card PCIE3.0x16 Gaming Video Card for Desktop Computers: $115
Mousepad Xxl Black Mouse Pad Free Shipping Long Speed Computer Mat Gaming Room Decors Big Mousepepad Table Cute Desk Accessory: $8
AJAZZ AJ199 2.4G Wireless Mouse Optical Mice with USB Receiver Gamer 26000DPI 6 Buttons Mouse For Computer PC Laptop Accessories: $37
Hard Drive Disk 1TB Solid State Drives for Laptop Desktop 240GB 120GB: $35 1 TB
LEAVEN K620 Wired Mechanical Keyboard 61 Keys RGB Lights Green Axis ESports Gaming Office Personality Key Computer Accessories
Extra 5% off: $15
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Yzbkcf/fractal-design-focus-g-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-ca-focus-rd-w: $53
Total: $483 vs 500 for a PS5/XBOX on Amazon
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804692596750.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.1.4ae16e3eQ93Zei&algo_pvid=d45e0324-9da3-484d-ae69-36533409507f&algo_exp_id=d45e0324-9da3-484d-ae69-36533409507f-0&pdp_npi=3%40dis%21USD%21228.37%21114.18%21%21%21%21%21%40211bf48d16871582534722198d07bc%2112000033943332844%21sea%21US%214562251622&curPageLogUid=ascZG43AXpsQ
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https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805055265990.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.71.78291802vdyTKc&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa
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your first link is broken and none of the others show a rx5700xt for $115. also lmao at 10$ keyboard and where is the case? where are the fans? where is the power supply? homie you can pilpul all you want but the hard cold truth is a 500$ pc can't hold a candle against a ps5. it's not even close.
>conveniently fails to mention that the PS5 is really only $400
Digital edition doesn't count because it just doesn't, okay?
I just searched PS5 on amazon, I'm seeing one for 460 there, so you can swap the mouse to a Razer DeathAdder essential and that should be exactly 459. You can also switch the graphics card to a 580 for -30, then if you use the alieexpress coupons I believe you get -40 in the summer sale on orders over $200, so that would be 390 total. Nvm forgot PSU, so lowest I can think of is 460
Yeah I forgot PSU https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4FH48d/evga-600-w1-600-w-80-certified-atx-power-supply-100-w1-0600-k1 + $70
Can order a digital edition off walmart right now for $400. There are more sites than Amazon anon.
You literally can not beat the price of a PS5.
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804854522169.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.5.42252ab6Bzxos0&algo_pvid=5d1bca51-4870-40f8-992d-8ae0150cd8b2&algo_exp_id=5d1bca51-4870-40f8-992d-8ae0150cd8b2-2&pdp_npi=3%40dis%21USD%2136.05%2113.34%21%21%21%21%21%4021224cdb16871584331655883d074e%2112000031425046613%21sea%21US%214562251622&curPageLogUid=IqoytIn75uhT 256 gb -20
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dgndnQ/thermaltake-versa-h18-microatx-mini-tower-case-ca-1j4-00s1wn-01 -10
remove the mousepad -8
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Wbhj4D/thermaltake-smart-500w-80-certified-atx-power-supply-ps-spd-0500npcwus-w -26
Then you're sitting at $396
>aliexpress ssd
I play on PC too but you don't need to try and sell the guy absolute garbage to own the PS5.
Goldenfir is totally good quality SSD sir, do not be bad mouthing it bloody.
sir do the needful and delete this post
bad morning
Wow coo so now I can order all these shitty back-ally parts and put it all together myself, pirate windows, and play without a mousepad all to save… $4.
A PC made with cheap parts can do a lot more than a Gaystation boy.
Yeah like burning your house down. I’m here to play video games motherfricker not coding shit. I can surf Ganker on my phone.
You don't need to know how to code to run windows you dip. Setting up an emulator is something we all did as children playing on Zsnes or what have you. You can objectively play more games with more options for FREE on a PC. Or you can pay for it if you want as well, but there are objectively more games to play than on a basic b***h gaystation. No coding necessary. But that's just games. I assume you've never worked a day in your life so you don't understand the utility of having a computer but if you had any sense of professionalism that's what you'd opt for. A gaming console is for literal children.
>aliexpress
You can find them even cheaper on like facebook marketplace. I live in a major metro and there are disk PS5's all day for 350.
Anon, that price is without tax. Because you morons love getting corporately fricked in the ass and think prices not actually being what they're advertised as, is perfectly okay.
> DRM, pay subscription eternally edition
hahaahahahahahaha. They should make that thing 0 euro and it would still be a bad deal to me.
PSU?
>heh just buy all the parts from some shady backwater websites, this way it's cheaper xD
All these parts cost the double in actual online retailers
works in my machine
>newegg
>amazon
Please fricking have a nice day
>not just using the keyboard and mouse your parents office threw out 20 years ago
not really anymore, maybe a little, if you price out the builds its pretty close to what you could do yourself.
Eh only a little these days. I will say you will almost always get higher quality parts that are less likely to break over time if you build. The performance might be the same, but you might be kicking yourself for not opting for a higher quality PSU, RAM, SSD, or Mobo in the future. Plus it’s always very helpful to know how to upgrade your hardware and building teaches you how.
what parts do I need to wire my laptop hard drive to my pc? is it one sata cable or two for both openings? Do I need a case or it will be fine?
No duh. Not sure where you guys are getting these cheap ass prebuilts unless its some scam Russian site
>i7-6700K
>1070
Should I just build a new one for Starfield or wait a year til they Iron out the bugs?
You know there is no amount of "ironing out" that's going to make that work
PC MASTER RACE
Sex with azula!
Bad choice. her nose is too big.
The 14th gen of intel CPUs is coming out in a few months, so if you wait until July or something, you can probably get the 13th gen for cheap. It's a huge leap, so totally worth it at this point. i7-6700K is starting to get old at this point, although it will still be alright for most games if you pick them right.
Please don't get fussy, but, basically, I'm just not gonna build anything. Sorry! I'm going to buy a gaming laptop and skip all of that hard work and enjoy games with a single push of a button, please understand, I just hate inconvenience and I have the money. Once again, sawwwwy!
God you're pathetic.Like someone being proud of not knowing how to change a tire.
So, thing is, it's like, I have a job which allows me to earn money (universal exchange thingie) which allows me to not do stuff myself and resolve problems like magic while contributing to the economy. So when I need a tire changed I just call a specialist person and have them do the hard work for me. Once again, sorry for that!
>So, thing is, it's like,
stopped reading
>doesn't have a self built desktop and a gaming laptop
ngmi
what a weird larp
It has better quality for a given price. So it's either cheaper if you cut the same corners as pre-builts or better if you don't. Pre-builts use subpar parts for anything that isn't the CPU and GPU because that's all normalgays look at.
If you've never taken a Dremel to some of your pc parts you don't deserve to call yourself a gamer.
doesn't matter if you have to slap windows on it
and you have to do that
so it's fricking pointless
>Ganker now pays for windows
dead
I've always paid the $5 for a windows key, what's wrong with that
>he doesn't just install windows 6 deluxe (no cutscenes) by Ivan free backdoor edition
ngmi
no but you can easily buy and play games from any gen these days because every modern game is getting released on PC and you wont have to go through ebay scammers if you wanna pick up some old shit
No it's not because no one goes out of their way to buy;
>shitty case
>shitty psu
>shitty motherboard
>shitty ram
>shitty fans
>shitty cpu cooler
>shitty oem graphics card
>shitty slow low capacity ssd
So I guess if you really need a shitty computer then prebuilt is technically cheaper.
Is ... ordering a whole new pc from friend's shop, let him do all the work and still pay a good price considered a pre-built ?
yeah but supporting a friends business is based
only if said friend returns the favor and doesn't price-gouge his friend.
>let him do all the work
tbh part of the reason to get a custom rig at all versus a prebuilt is the actual experience of putting the rig itself together
I'd agree if i didn't do it in a good 12 years and putting an aio for the first time, also my cable management sucks, but i reckon it's easy now, especially if you got something like a 4000x from Corsair.
Nice, what Pc you got there fren ?
Depends on if giving a blowjob is part of the price
I got my last pc built. I picked out all the parts and then the company builds it for you.
It worked out like €100 dearer than having to source every item and build it myself so I was happy to pay that
>The Chinese bought Newegg several years ago
>Might as well just buy from the Chinese directly via AliExpress
desperate times
FRICK I didn't realize they were bought out by China and I've bought many parts from them
>build pc myself
>wont post
>frick
>after hours upon hours of trial and error, turns out a stick of ram is faulty
>have to RMA it
>wait weeks for a replacement
vs
>build a custom pc online
>pay like $120 for a shop to assemble it
>comes with warranty
>if anything fricks up within 3 years, take it straight there and they fix it for free
ill take the latter
>getting filtered by deditated WAM
NGMI
Paying for assembly after handpicking parts is not really pre-built. The point of pre-builts is that you're not choosing the parts and that sellers abuse it by cutting corners everywhere because their customers are those who are too intimated to look into parts.
Really the only point of doing everything yourself these days is if you're a cable management autist or don't trust anyone else to do it. Either that or custom water cooling as getting a company to do that ends up being quite a lot. Now there are so many places that will charge you barely anything extra to assemble a rig if you pick out the parts which imo is better than self assembly because you get a warranty. Which is void if you change any parts however which kind of sucks
>I invented a story that literally can't happen and is entierely my fault if you look at it but THIS IS YOUR FAULT YOU ARE LE BAD BUY AT COSCO YOU NAZI CHUD
calm down and go have a nice day in silence, golem
>next time if it happens you know exactly what to do
>save yourself 120$
Not like any of it is going to happen to begin with. Faulty out of the box components are rare.
That comparison is unfair.
In both cases, something out of your control is broken and gets fixed for free, but for some reason you say you have to "wait weeks" in the first scenario, but they just "fix it" (no time given) in the second one.
The only difference between the two scenarios is that you paid $120 more in one of them.
>Can't post cause 1 faulty RAM stick
lol cmon at worst everything would work but you'd get constant bsods
My dad bought my brother two pre-builts that didn't work right out of the box, and then just said frick it and bought a bunch of parts and assembled it himself. When it comes to just buying parts, the good thing is that you can usually very easily narrow it down to a single factor, and treat it properly. Whereas with a pre-built you literally have to ship the entire thing and wait for them to send you one back (if they even have them in stock) and be left with nothing in the meantime.
These days, buying a prebuild is like paying extra for someone to take the tags off your clothes. It takes no time at all and it's basically impossible to frick up. Although with todays prices I imagine the premium is negligible outside barefaced ripoffs like Alienware.
How hard would it be to make some scratch on the side just... putting together compys for people...
In this economy? You'd need to find some rich mother suckers. Seems like it'd be hard to cut a profit as well.
depends where you are, but where I am it's exceptionally hard to make money doing that
you're almost guaranteed to find some indian guy that is happy to do the same job at half the price... very fricking badly mind you, but morons can't tell the difference, and that's mostly who you'll be catering to.
>Buy pre-built for 3k
>They cheap out on numerous parts
>Could have built the exact same PC but with non-Chinesium shit in it for a thousand less or more
Give me some good UK based websites for prebuilts.
I wanna drop 3k on another PC to last me another 6+ years.
I don't care if you all clown on me, temu and alliexpress have been the best thing that has come around in a while. I've saved way more than I thought I would buying from them so your loss I'd you're going to be randomly derogatory. I mean where do you think the PS5 and Xbox are made...
I agree 100% sir, we will all being doing the needful and shopping from AliExpress kindly, very good parts
If you're going to shitpost at least mention Indiamart.
I've been building all my computers myself and I got kind of tired of figuring out what the new parts are and I never give a frick about cable management, also sometimes just frick up asembling
Yes, anything you can do yourself is cheaper than the alternative.
No
yes, always has been and always will be
Its cheaper to build a computer yourself, as opposed to buying a prebuilt computer
You overestimate the average intelligence and mechanical skills of your general Gankertard
meant for
I've built 3 PCs from scratch, the only difficulty is not buying parts that won't work together.
Just watch one of the thousands tutorials on youtube and follow along.
I built my own computer. I'm just saying people have fricked it up before and some people go full moron in moments like
Or the guy earlier who couldn't figure things out because his memory was bad. Some morons can't even get their shit to turn on.
Gaming laptops are where it’s at now
Prices have evened out relatively so yeah. You can snag a 4060TI for less than $500 now. Compare that to the last few years where your equivalent GPU was pushing $1000.
It's definitely worth it. It's cheaper, you learn how to do it for future which means you can troubleshoot any problems or upgrade as you please, only takes a few hours to learn how, parts are very durable, you still have a massive returns leeway. I had a part break a few years ago, literally sent back half my pc to amazon. They sent me the replacement parts before I did anything, I didn't even know what was the faulty part.
prebuilts still ship with mediocre PSUs at best, ticking firebombs at worst
spending $30 extra today on a quality PSU means you save $50 3-4 years from now when your PSU inevitably croaks, possibly >$200 if it takes down the mobo with it
not only that, you can perfectly reuse the PSU for a new build when you discard your current one
so yes, it is cheaper
This. Never skim out on a PSU.
I went through 3 """cheap""" ones in a year because they kept breaking and would straight up turn off my GPU.
Bought a numeral PSU and i've been using it for the last 10 years with no issues.
It's also the one component that is actually "never obsolete"
Suboptimal, slightly less energy efficient, maybe, but it's going to do what it's supposed to do forever unless there's a thunder strike or something crazy like that.
My seasonic gold PSU is 12 years old, has gone through 2 builds and is still trucking along, will likely go into a third if my laptop dies. Absolutely worth the money and the 6 week wait while it was out of stock.
The only difficult part about building a PC is connecting those tiny "power" and "reset" connectors to the motherboard.
Hardly, unless you have cerebral palsy.
Don't be ableist, chud.
If Michael J. Fox wants to assemble his own computer he should be allowed to.
The connectors are kinda obstructed by the GPU and unless you have tiny hands it's a chore to get in there.
I also said "the hardest", the difficulty is still relative to everything else you do, which isn't hard.
hook up the front panel before putting the GPU in then my homie
Then the connectors get in the way of the card a lot of the times
with those new enormous GPUs it's actually moronicly difficult to do, I feel your pain
especially when you have those stupid mini mobos
Hadn't even considered microATX, my mistake. Come to think of it, I don't think I've actually seen one in real life before.
I had one, they suck, it's even worse trying to get a decent heatsink on + GPU + ram, my last PC i literally couldn't use the first channel from my ram because it was completely blocked by even the tiny stock heatsinks
Insane that after building a £1000 rig the very last part is plugging in those tiny power connectors, they don't seem rigid at all
Yes, building one isn’t even hard anymore if you can build a Lego model you can build a computer.
Graphics card alone costs $2000.
Update your memes.
A 300 dollar gpu mogs the PS5
Why are you buying THE best one?
You dont even need it
Poorgay mentality
Just shy of $500 converted.
Is is the best value card you can get now?
It’s literally worse than the 3060ti so no
lol Nvidia is determined to frick up this gen as much as they can, don't they?
In some games it gets like 10-20 more FPS over a 3060 Ti, but yeah most games it's getting like 5 extra FPS at most, and you're gong to be paying 100-200 more for it. It's honestly criminal that Nvidia is charging 500 bucks for that shit when it should be this generation's xx50 Ti model at best.
>using FPS numbers instead of percentages
moron
>a koenigsegg agera costs 1.5 million so I'll stick to walking thanks
Can you still get cases that you can put Blu-ray drives in?
Hardly true during the covid GPU fricked price era which is still sort of the same now. I got a prebuilt with a 3080 around that time since it was far cheaper than getting a GPU separately along with everything else. My old PC had not much to be salvaged besides the storage and I was eyeing an upgrade for a while.
The thing is you would need to use prebuild sites that let you pick the parts custom instead of everything being picked for you. I heard horror stories about ibuypower but the PC I got from there was everything I wanted really. I probably bought during a shit time but considering the prices of GPUs are still fricked I feel validated not waiting and am happy with what I got.
Still is for me thanks to my 8700K.
Well, I was about to buy a prebuilt but my buddy made me a parts list and I did save 400€, gave him a fifth of whisky for the trouble of that and putting it together
I helped a friend build their new PC as well.
His first upgrade in like 8 years, still had a 970 in his rig.
Not sure how much i saved because prebuilt was never even an option to consider.
Yes, that statement still holds true.
Is it more convenient than buying a pre-build? Maybe not, but anyone with an IQ above room temperature shouldn't have any problems assembling a PC from scratch.
PC do exist for tons of porn storage and I'm tired of pretending it's not
So when are we getting new RT APIs that aren't RTX, I want to switch to AMD.
To me it's not even the price. If I save a bit okay cool but what is more important is the feeling of building your own PC. Like it makes it more unique. It's your thing and not some block you bought from store.
>cheaper
not necessarily
>more cost/performance effective
yeah
in a pre-build they will always skimp out on something even if the specs look nice on paper. Don't let ((them)) get ya
This, prebuilts always try to cheap out as much as possible but stupid zoomers who can barely use file manager have no idea and get scammed.
>pre-builts all still come with DDR4 RAM when DDR5 is now widely available
This alone is reason enough to build and I’m surprised no one else has mentioned it.
I decided to build my own pc this month. I cheaped out on the GPU since I don't plan on playing many modern games. I'm beginning to this I spent way too much for my specs though.
I chose the parts on pcpartpicker while streaming my screen a friend who has a pc so I'll just blame him if I really got scammed
Post parts
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VwBqKp
I mean it is extremely on the low end and if you ever want to upgrade, you'll have to replace everything again.
What were you planning to do with the PC anyway?
Well I basically skipped out on the whole ps4 gen so I just wanna play stuff I missed from that time period.
Is it really that low end? I know the 1660 is a fairly old gpu but I didn't know it was that bad.
Also why would have to replace everything if I upgrade? I guess my friend really did frick me over.
He didn't really frick you over, he just did what you asked.
The problem is that new CPUs will need a new socket, which means that you will have to replace the motherboard again and probably the PSU as well.
It's not really an issue, depending on how often you plan to upgrade, if you upgrade once every 10 years, then by that time it would've been obsolete anyway, no matter what you got.
165 Hz Monitor is maybe overkill too. You're not going to reach those frames.
It's enough for the PS4 gen though. I have a very similar setup with a 1070 and an Ryzen 5 2600 myself and it worked just fine. It is 6 years old at this point though.
AM4 is a dead platform, so your cpu upgrade path is either 5800X3D (not that significant for most purposes), or buying new mobo+ram. AM5 is still very expensive compared to the actual gains in performance though, so I don't consider it a horrible decision.
430W may not be enough depending on what you want to upgrade to in the future (especially since it's on the low end quality wise as well)
128 GB ssd is hardly enough now. Can't even fit a modern bloated game with OS on it as well. I hope you didn't pay the $80 for a 1 TB HDD. You can get a 1 TB SSD for less than that.
I dunno if a cheapo cpu cooler with 100mm fan is even worth it over AMD stock cooler if you're that short on money.
Case can be reused at least.
You could have done a lot better. The 1tb harddrive for $80 is a shit deal, could have gotten a 2tb ssd for that price. The CPU cooler wasn't needed because the stock cooler with the 5500 is adequate for that processor. You could have gotten an RX6600xt which is more powerful than your gpu for the same price. That PSU is prebuilt tier too.
Ah shit, well its too late now because I already bought the parts. Guess I need to do more research next time.
i'm sure this was true pre-crypto bullshit
when i was in need of a new computer during the height of that i tried making a mid-tier pc on pcpartpicker and it was totalling at around 1000
bestbuy meanwhile had a deal for a prebuilt for 700
i plugged in all the parts that it came with and it was around 1200
i'm sure they fricked me on lower-quality parts, but it's been running smoothly so i can't really complain
My brother is a complete loser autist who refuses to build a PC and insists that he just wants a prebuilt. I tried to convince him but to no avail. At least I want to point him to a decent pre-built. What’s the best site to buy from these days? I’ve heard good things about NZXT.
many places offer the service to build and set up the PC for you after you pick the parts. Is that something he'd be open to trying?
Possibly but haven’t looked into any local places.
>entry level enthusiast build
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT'S $1000???
lol
lmao
So much for being an "enthusiast."
>Entry level enthusiast
Ah yes,
Oxymoron
Once you factor in the cost of paying to use your own internet to play multiplayer games over the course of the gen, a $1000 PC really isn't that much more. Not to mention that 1000 dollar PC is likely going to beat whatever Pro model refresh they release halfway through the gen.
You're assuming every person plays multiplayer. I have spent a whopping $30 on Xbox Live and $10 on PS+ in the past decade and a half. Unless you are playing multiplayer games every single day for every single month of your life there is no reason to ever include that nonsensical argument as justification for any sort of cost.
Some of us have friends we play Co op games with anon
You play them frequently enough that the cost of online is an actual footnote in your spending? You can get XBL for free due to their rewards system and PS+ 1 years are like $30 on sale constantly.
If you want to play with them even once the cost has to be added, you don't get charged based on how much you play.
Point being that it would take well over 10 years for you to hit a $1000 PC cost if you were paying for PS+ every single year since $40 sales are even easier to find than $30 sales for a year. If you are just going to play for one month then up until like a year or two ago buying one month was $5. You can't in good conscience argue that every single person is buying $60 yearly subscriptions because not everyone plays multiplayer or co-op, and even if they do there's sales on year subscriptions and three month subscriptions so often that you'd have to intentionally ignore every website that does them.
Like I said, I have spent a total of $35 or $40 across a decade and a half on a PS4 and Xbox One for the online. In my situation I have spent less that what
is arguing despite having bought two individual systems and even saved money compared to his $1000 PC. This is also assuming I paid full price for both systems, when I got my Xbox One X brand new for $300 and my PS4 Pro brand new for $400. So in reality I saved $250 compared to that example and both systems still play recent games better than a $1000 PC in 2013 would.
>Putting together my pc
>Case design is shit and has literally no room for the gpu bracket when you're putting it so it grazes the motherboard the whole way while you slide it into place
>Putting in GPU
>Cat knocks down a bunch of plates in the kitchen and a few shattered
>I jump
>Scratch Mobo
>Panic and plug everything in real quickly to test it
>Boot loop
It was actually because I forgot to plug the PCIE cable into the gpu
Once upon a time it was, but now it's not.
What sucks is the electronic waste involved with keeping your old computer around.
Yeah, when I built a computer a few years ago I actually bought a prebuilt PC to harvest the graphics card and sold the prebuilt with my old graphics card for a $200 loss, got a $800 card for $200 basically. Overall, my computer was cheaper than that prebuilt, even after reselling it, and had better specs.
It depends.
You can do a no-gpu set up these days, and it's cheaper than buying a PC, and you can still play a ton of games.
But with how the GPU market is now in general it might be marginally cheaper to buy a prebuilt if you want a gpu since OEMs get deals on graphics cards in bulk and can afford to sell you the part without moronicly overcharging you for it.
Especially if you want Nvidia since their target end user market are scalping morons.
Slightly less than before
It was, but honestly pre-built PCs are so normalized its not that big of a difference.
Though you can still save a ton just replacing your parts.
99% of the prices problem are the GPU, aren't they? Even SSDs now are super affordable.
Yup
ATX AM5 mobos start at $200
>Motherboard that exists for a single generation of cpus (that no entry level cpus exist for) is expensive
NOOOO WAIII
mATX AM5 mainboards can be found for sub-$100.
>be on b450 mobo
Is 5800x worth the 20 burgers more than the 5600x?
unironically yes. I bought a pre built for 300 and it was still on fricking ddr3 with gt1030. if you buy off ebay you can get a more powerful build for the exact same price.
Yes, I build PCs for people, and I charge $50 for it. But I live in central Europe, so I imagine that in the USA or western Europe, the cost is higher. That being said, I try my best and do not try to save money on power supplies, SSDs, and RAMs. But it is still 50 dollars that, if you did build it yourself, you could use on, say, a better case or a bigger SSD.
Rent for businesses is outrageous in my city.
They pass that on to the customer so even shitty computers are massively over priced.
It always makes sense to buy PC parts online and just assemble them yourself in this stupid country.
>buying anything locally ever
I hope nobody does this.
yes, but not by much.
>buy parts
>pay a store or a technician to put it all together
This is the safe approach.
This basically,plus if anything happens you can call them since you are a client now and they know your situation
It is, you can, as well, skimp out on the MOBO, RAM, PSU, the case, etc. get the cheapest GPU cooler/PCB manufacturer.
Making it cheap is not hard at all, getting a PC that'll last you a very long time is, especially if you're moronic and don't know what the frick goes on in there.
I often have to visit my gamer friends to fix their shit because they're moronic and brought prebuilts, hell, they don't even dare to clean the damn thing.
But hey, I get it, we all got tons of cash, saving time is nice when possible, but the best part of owning a PC is building it yourself, nothing beats that feeling.
And I will shame you if you buy prebuilts, because you're a filthy casual.
Yeah, still cheaper.
No matter how cheap the prefab looks and how good a deal it appears to be, if you were to make a build with equivalent actual performance to that prefab, it would be cheaper to build it yourself. The problem is that you don't necessarily know what kind of mystery meat you're getting unless you build it yourself.
Technically it is, comparing building a pc yourself vs a prebuilt is how much you value the time but it also has a cascading effect of you becoming more competent at similar activiites, in the future you might fix something yourself instead of paying someone else
I like building my own PC but why in the frick do they keep doing this shit? This is always the most annoying part.
I normally ditch hdd leds, pointless in this day + my case isn't somewhere i can actually see it.
Yeah it's really weird they haven't just combined it into a single plug.
The Great Filter.
Something mostly obtuse and unnecessary and some moron on Ganker takes pride in something like it like it's some form of skill despite being a basic point of completion?
Yeah, I'd say it's a "filter".
All you have to do is check your mobo specs. Most are even nice enough to print it on the board. If you can't read then I am sorry but you did get filtered.
>finish building
>everything works fine
>click reset button
>nothing happens
Every fricking time.
I don't think I've ever used the reset button on a PC in my life.
this, the only thing i use is the power button, everything else is unnecessary bloat
Used to be a lot more useful when blue screens were so prevalent.
>literally just look in the mobo's manual for the designated pin for each connector, and that's assuming it's not already stenciled on the board itself
>AIEEE GankerSAMA SAVE ME
just get a prebuilt, or pay the $30 to have the shop assemble it for you
Anon what you're doing is the equivalent of bragging to a room of people that think it's unpleasant to have your hand stuck in a jar of salt and barbed wire.
Telling them that they couldn't handle it.
And you're at the meeting FOR people with their hands stuck in jars full of barbed wire and salt.
No.
Deal with your illiteracy first, then read the fricking manual.
Or pay for someone to do it. Schizoing about what people do is not gonna assemble your toaster.
We've all built computers here dumbass, if we hadn't we wouldn't be saying it's dumb and annoying.
You're not special nor cool.
>compares building a puter to sticking your hand stuck in a jar of salt and barbed wire
never claimed to be either
but you sure are "special"
and deserve the best spot in the special needs short bus
You don't understand metaphors
You used hyperbole, not metaphor. Clearly it is you who doesn't understand either.
Hyperbole is a form of metaphor, you double moron
https://lmgtfy.app/?q=metaphor+merriam
https://lmgtfy.app/?q=hyperbole+merriam
also, RTFM
also, go frick yourself
Difference only exists in poetic writing as a deliberately choice.
Rhetorically hyperbole is a derivative of metaphor.
>unironically posting a lmgtfy
>I use words with the meaning I want them to have
Concession accepted. Bye.
Meaningfully separate hyperbole from being a derivative of metaphor without using poetic writing rules.
Tip: You can't.
Yo momma so fat she broke the bed farting.
Pure exaggeration, no metaphor, analogue, simile or poetry involved.
Now kindly go frick yourself.
wtf is that link
>the absolute fricking state of the universe
It's over...
I can read, it's just that I have pretty big hands and typically when I put one of these together it's smooshed up against the side of the case where it's a pain in the ass to put them in so I have to fiddle with tweezers and hope they all decide to stay in place while I'm finishing it. I'm aware they're like this because panels aren't standardized, but would it really be that difficult to include like a little plastic clip you can insert them into to make it less of a pain in the ass to plug in?
Yes because you can buy the exact hardware that caters to your requirements unlike prebuilts where it's unoptimized for what it's marketed for but is still too much for what you want
idk
i am building a crt computer with more modern specs
and shit costs only a bit cheaper than just buying a regular computer
still think it's worth it tho
i love having my dream computer
really depends on what you want to achieve.
It's like making your own home made food vs going for takeaway food. With takeaway, sure it might taste nice but the restaurant don't care about the food being healthy and the wagie who makes it could frick up in some way. Whereas, if you make your own food you choose the exact ingredients, can make it way healthier and you know exactly how it was made
its not about cheaper, its about getting best components. If your system isnt better than prebuilds you wasted time for nothing.
Personally i minmax watt efficiency so it runs as silent as possible.
yeah, but is the difference really THAT great, though? like, if i got a medium rig and another rig that had the best components but where the gpu and the cou was the same in both rigs, what would the difference be in games? i really doubt having the best ram and the best ssd is going to make that much of a difference.
>buy parts + have the shop put it up (which they charge for)
vs
>buy parts and assemble myself
not hard to see which is cheaper
>buy a $500 console
>it supports AAA games for the next 9-10 years
>clean it once every 3-4 years (takes 5 minutes), just werks
>buy a $500 PC
>it can run AAA games with stable framerate and low-mid graphics settings for the next 2-3 years, afterwards it won't be able to hold 30 FPS in 720p, every single component has already degraded and you have to replace everything except for the case and the monitor
the only argument for PC gayming is the lack of paid multiplayer, but multiplayer games are for stupid people anyways
This is such a bullshit argument. My laptop is 10y old and i still play games on it. It only started showing it's age with these new rtx enabled bullshit releases that makes everything unoptimized.
I'd believe you up until the 'laptop' part. A 10 years old laptop running AAA games, my ass. Unless just getting to the main menu is running a game in your opinion, you're talking out of your ass.
I don't play CoD or EA games if that's what you're talking about. I don't know what AAA are out there to play. I have 200h of Elden Ring if that counts.
>playing AAA
You don't even like video games, do you?
>dude, PC is soo much better than consoles
>uh, a PC that costs as much as a new PS5? sure, you'll be able to play... Touhou 12... and other acclaimed games..
>I can only play the latest mainstream titles on the latest hardware or I'm being left behind
You know what? You're right. For your case, PC is bad. Stick to your $500 console, so you can play the "game" on low settings at sub-900p25fps just so you can engage in the watercooler talk with the other soibois at work tomorrow over your current life-avoiding digital distraction product.
Yeah dood all those ultra settings make mom wet
>game runs like shit
>game looks like shit
>game is shit
>but can talk about game with other balding homosexuals at work in between mandatory HR meetings about the breakroom's communal LGBT pride flag-colored buttplugs
Yeah. No thanks. I'll stick to my videogames as a hobby.
Why are you still playing AAA slop
Normalgays are meant to be on reddit not on here
Well, when I'm talking about longevity and affordability of consoles, I don't think about shitty RPG maker games that could run on a fricking DS. (unlike PC tards, lel)
>every single component has already degraded and you have to replace everything except for the case and the monitor
Power supply and memory doesn't need to be replaced outside of switching your OS to an SSD if you're somehow still running HDD. Not to mention that's not how generations work, sure if you're upgrading to the latest with ddr5 shit you'll need to replace the motherboard and ram but you can easily upgrade within your generation and see improvements from the initial build through a new CPU or slapping in more or faster ram. Also unless you're using an xbone emulation is also a huge bonus for going pc instead of consoles.
>>buy a $500 console
>>it supports AAA games for the next 9-10 years
it once every 3-4 years (takes 5 minutes), just werks
lel. no one games on a console for ten whole years. maybe seven, maximum.
Elden Ring, Resident Evil 4, Dead Island 2, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, the list goes on - some of the biggest games of this decade are available on Xbox One (500 dollars) and PS4 (400 dollars at launch), consoles released in 2013. Show me a $400 PC from 2013 running games released in the past three years with more than 15 frames per second.
>all that shit
You don't like video games, either.
It's definitely not easy. many ways you can frick up by just static charge, CPU, incompatible items, underwattage, or shit that plain doesnt fit, bad airflow etc. I'm missing quite a few things I'm sure.
I always just hire some nerd to do it for me for 150 euro, get all the excellent parts I need for my enormous custom built zombie PC. Doing it all myself is a fricking hassle, why bother with all that shit when I just need a serious upgrade every 8 years or so.
Ofcourse, replacing a GRAca or ram is something I can do myself, but even there you can frick up.
I just checked NewEgg and I notice under a bunch of the prebuilts GPU section it says (Brand may vary)
>Spending 2000+ on a rig and getting a ZOTAC
Buying prebuilts is now official gacha tier
Having a PC you put yourself together is the bare, bare minimum entry fee for being considered a person.
>Just about finished building the rig
>Have to plug in the little cables
>They're blocked by everything else
>Or in a stupid spot
>Hands aren't Asian girl sized so it's a pain in the ass
Honestly makes me wanna kms
Also my heatsink is so big I have to take it off to swap Ram lol
its cheapest to build enough funds for a console unless you live in a(third world) country where your corrupt government taxes their sales. sucks for you guys lmao
>if you can afford the expensive thing, it actually means you're poor!
why in the world would I buy a game console if I haven't been underage for years?
Because adults don't want to sit at a desk to game
I bought a 2000$ prebuilt(pick your own parts, they assemble) during the black Friday weekend for only 1200$, I used Newegg, Amazon and PC parts picker to look at the cost of building the exact same PC myself, and lo and behold even with the 99$ assembly fee I was still saving 300$. Why the frick would I build it myself in this case? Especially considering I already have experience building/maintaining PCs
>(pick your own parts, they assemble)
That's not a prebuilt, genius
A prebuilt is assembled from pieces the brand chose, not you, and shipped in bulk to retailers who sell them to the average joe
You know this and you're just arguing semantics for amusement
Spend $60 for oil change
Spend $200 for tools to change yourself
Even if it is more expensive you can use things in your next build to make it cheaper in the long run.
>Thermal paste wont go bad
>Cpu fans have brackets for compatibility
>ATX case is ATX case
>Power supply depending on draw
>Ram can usually stretch 2 builds before something faster is needed (DDR4 lasted 8+ years)
I can buy a I7 motherboard combo with DDR5 ram for $450 and use most of the above for a substantial upgrade.
>oil change "tools"
Are you fricking serious?
>Car jack and stands - $100
>Oil and filter - $30
>Filter wrench - $10
homie you not lifting the car with your hands and turning a torqued filter.
>car comes with jack
>if you don't already have a socket wrench you're a homosexual
>filter wrenches are $8 at home depot
You're paying for the oil and filter anyway.
>>if you don't already have a socket wrench you're a homosexual
That was the point of my post you goofy b***h. You already have the tools to make it cheaper next time
Every man should already have the tools, and I think most homosexuals would have them, too. You're literally more useless than a woman if you don't have tools already.
You are autist levels of insane. You think people are just born with tools and extra computer parts?
Just go to the store and buy some, pussy.
No, but he said you were.
I've never had a homie agree with me this aggresively ha. I literally said buy the parts and it will be cheaper overtime.
This isn't twitter. You're not black.
Your dad called you a sissy homosexual when you were 12 or something, didn't he?
>hold car with one hand
>unbolt plug with the other
>catch oil in mouth for a tasty beverage
casul
It is indeed cheaper because doing it yourself results in just the cost of the parts, whereas prebuilds are the cost of the parts plus a fee for putting it together. Established custom PC companies are able to get components at a lower cost than you would be able to yourself, because of things like bulk discounts, but that is almost always offset by the build fee.
Another thing to consider is the actual value of what you are paying for. Custom PC companies know that their main customer base are people that are less tech-savvy, specifically people who really only know to care about the "big" components like the GPU and who will see advertising like "Fantastic 3080TI Nvidia gaming PC" and go for it without actually looking at what's in the rest of the system. This means that custom PCs often come with lower spec components than an equally priced self-made one, with things like the ram, cooling, and even the GPU itself (shitty blower cards instead of better quality versions) all falling short. You essential run the risk of paying more for less.
PC vs console is an entirely different kettle of fish. Which is cheaper is irrelevant, because they are both serving completely different audiences. You build a PC when you want a computer that does computer things that you can also game on, with the knowledge that you can gradually upgrade it over time and that you can potentially have games run at higher resolutions or frame rates. You buy a console because you want plug and play, access to exclusives, access to console only features, and the assurance that every game you buy will run with no issues and that the system itself will last up to or exceeding an entire decade (depending on when in its product cycle you bought it).
Hope this helps someone make an informed purchase
I'm not even sure it is anymore, prices have exploded and the competition in prebuilt have led margins to shrink a lot. Just the warranty you get with a prebuilt might make up most or all of the difference.
not really. I managed to spend like 150% percent of a prebuilt's price because I'm mentally moronic. At the same time you can be scammed by prebuilts too if you don't know what to look out for, choosing a last gen cpu if the newest gen is available for roughly the same price is just a scam, there is no reason not to pick the newest gen, ddr5 and usb-c ports with at least 10 gbit speed in the current season.
About screw tightening, cpu coolers including mine (a be quiet cooler) require that you fasten them down to the mobo and the screws happen to be very resistant for some of them. The cooler will literally not be correctly on the cpu if you don't do this, so the statement "if you feel any amount of resistance on the screws you have to stop" is factually incorrect garbage at least as far as coolers are concerned and the homosexuals who spread this lie should kys
If your time isn't that valuable, yes.
I dunno. I’ve been looking to upgrade from my prebuilt from several years ago and everything that’s recommended leads up to over a $1000. I’m a brainlet, so I have know idea where to look to find these cheap builds
just go on PC picker and look for yourself its considerably cheaper
I bought a 6950XT over the 4070. It hasn't arrived yet but will soon. Was it a good choice?
6950 runs hot as shit, but RNDA2 drivers are pretty decent now.
I can always undervolt yeah? I hear AMD is better at it.
It was not for a while during the covidhell, but it's back to normal.
Also if you build your PC yourself, you have the option of not buying an absolute dogshit PSU that will burn your entire machine to the ground and/or proprietary mobo that requires the shit PSU to work.
I ended up buying a PowerSpec PC from Microcenter and just slapping a GTX 1080 in it. I was in a dinky apartment with the girlfriend, our one-year old, and FRICKING cats at the time and didn't want to frick with trying to put everything together. It's been like seven years now and it's served me well.
a 1 year old, cats, and a gf? lol bro you probably got to play that thing for 1 hour every 3 weeks. I probably would've just abandoned video games til the kid was kindergarten age or something.
The price of GPUs are through the roof, but yes. Things like HDDs, SSDs, RAMs and motherboards are really cheap nowadays.
There is another aspect to building the PC yourself: the knowledge of where the parts are for cleaning and maintenance.
Sooner or later you'll probably want to upgrade a part. It's simpler to know where everything is and you just quickly swap the component. If you had it pre-built, you have to contact someone else to do it for you, which is more time and money.
>the knowledge of where the parts are for cleaning and maintenance
this really is a huge upside. back when I was a kid my pc would have problems and I'd be too scared to investigate and maybe frick it up. it was probably just too much dust and if I had learned about it I wouldn't have had the trouble. not sure if the local library would've had pc books to read about it though.
>pcgays always pirate games so devs don't optimize them as well on pc
>need high end parts to play a game at the same framerate as a console
>"pcs are cheaper than consoles :^)"
In general, probably not. You can get dirt cheap laptops, but they are NOT powerful in the slightest.
You can definitely build a “cheaper” gaming rig, meaning you can get more bang for your buck. This can be slightly more expensive than a prebuilt, but you probably have substantially better components.
Cheaper is a bad word to use - you can definitely build something with better value though.
It literally is, building the PC yourself is the cost of the parts. Having someone else build it is the cost of parts + labor
You can think of the labor as warrenty just incase things go bad. If you make a mistake, and anyone can make a mistake, you only have yourself to blame.
no because they hiked prices on computer parts massive
i have:
AMD 5600X
Asus 3060Ti
16GB of RAM
1TB Samsung 980 Pro
ASUS PRIME B550M-K
Corsair TX750
and paid £900
No word of a lie, building it myself would've been £1200.
>Yes before 2015
>NO after the cryptojews
just get a PS5
No idea about cheaper but it's definitely better. I have top tier parts for literally everything - SSD, RAM, fans, GPU, CPU, mobo, power supply. No compromises whatsoever.
of course, there is no service charge
>buy all your parts
>let the webshop build it for you for extra 100 buckaroos
>cable managed and everything is ok
>if something is wrong out of the box warranty/RMA is no hassle
vs
>buy all parts
>put it together yourself, figure out cable management, hope you don't bend a tiny ass socket pin or make any other mistakes
>if anything goes wrong you're fricked because they can just say it was a user error
i'd rather just pay them 100 bucks more for the convenience of not having to deal with bullshit
>paying 100 bucks for the computer equivalent of pic related because he's too moronic to route some cables and too much of an anxious wreck to call customer support
How do I get morons to give me money for this? Do I just advertise on craigslist?
Not for me.
Yes, but crypto irreparably fricked the price of everything and made corporations like nvidia realize they could just sell GPUs for insane prices and get away with it so it's not that much cheaper anymore.
This thread shows the sad state of Ganker. Place is full of morons and normies.
Just buy a ps5
>ps5
ew
>PC
>What?
>DO YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF PC THIS IS?
>It's a PC, duh.
>Hahaha....AKCTUALLY IT'S the Alienware Aurora R15 created by Alienware in 2022 with 13th Gen Intel® Core™ i5 13400F (10-Core, 29.5MB Total Cache, 2.5Ghz to 4.6GHz P-Core @ Max Turbo) with NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3050, 8 GB GDDR6 and Dark Side of the Moon 1350W PSU, Alienware Cryo-tech ™ Edition CPU Liquid Cooling & Clear Side Panel, including 256GB NVMe M.2 PCIe SSD. It also has NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 4090, 24 GB GDDR6X, 64 GB, 2 x 32 GB, DDR5, 4800 MHz, XMP (Overclockable up to 5200Mhz), 4TB NVMe M.2 PCIe SSD (Boot) + 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s (Storage)
If any one this is confusing to you, you're ngmi
a fricking hdd for storage
HDD is very good for mass storage.
Wether it's for hoarding things like movies or games, keeping family photos and videos or yes even porn, the HDD can take it all for a ridiculously cheap price.
love how they recommend windows 11 pro for business as if some business is going to buy an alienware gamer shit for their business computer.
>Dell branded GPU with stock frequencies and poor cooling
>4800 MHz DDR5
>4TB nvme boot drive but 2TB HDD for storage
>Noname PSU
>Dell branded AIO cooler
The absolute state .
Oh and I forgot about the Dell motherboard that doesn't follow the ATX standard.
You can make a better PC for $2000 less.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XCPpyK
I can guarantee you'll never find a prebuilt with these exact same components. So not only is building cheaper, but also opens up countless possibilities for assembling various compatible parts.
Yeah, last I checked it was at least 25% cheaper since you aren't paying for labor. Pre-builts also prioritize quantity over quality, so you're actually more likely to get something thats DOA.
Wow that was hard
$554
All new parts
Plays God of War at 1080p 60fps on ultra
1TB SSD storage
Not to mention it's an actual computer
>Plays God of War at 1080p 60fps on ultra
false
moron
It averages 58fps in God of War
67 in Horizon ZD
88 Hitman 3
59 in RDR2
etc, it's perfect for 1080p ultra gaming
Build a cheaper but equivalent PC. It must play 360 games in 1440p too.
>~~*chip shortage*~~ was going on in 2020
>wanted a 3070
>price is 3k for the card alone, for me buying from local retailers
>yeah. nah.
>mindlessly browse for prebuilts
>1999 for a prebuilt with a ryzen 7 and a 3070
>wtf
>i’ll just fricking buy that instead and if the other parts like mobo / ram is shit i’ll just grab the card and use it in my current pc. whatever
>it gets here, decent mobo and case
>ended up just using my ram / storage from my old pc in the new one
prebuilts aren’t too bad these days and i always built my own PCs and (tried to) repaired/cleaned/serviced them though
oh i also donated my old cpu to my lil bro. enjoy, little dipshit. thanks for reading my blog now go frick yourselves
Hi your little bro here, go frick yourself thanks for the Nvidia 950 you cheap frick
Yes.
Prebuilt PCs always have a couple of subpar components to increase the margin.
Generally trash RAM, undersized or noname PSU.
Aren't nerdy poindexter kids like this stereotyped into becoming gigachad corporate executives?
if you mean hired through nepotism then sure
many things are cheaper when you throw in your own labor and headaches, rather than letting others do that for you
It's kind of the entire basis of many industries