It's hard to be a JRPG fan lately

It's hard to be a JRPG fan lately

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's hard to talk about videogames, period. People can't appreciate shit nowadays.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ironic that the most oppressed minority oppresses its own as well...

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        rise up

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          So rise up! Rise up, children of Ganker! Rise up, Gamers! Embrace the word of mighty Todd, he who is both man and Divine!

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >here’s your game!
      >What do you mean you don’t like the monetization, game breaking bugs that take months to fix, and sterilization of characters?
      >We worked really hard to put in all these new things you didn’t ask for!
      >no one appreciates video games anymore!

      I am bitter about darktide even though I’ll probably play it again next year

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        YOU VILL PLAY ZE NEW GAMES, YOU VILL PAY ZE FULL PRICE, YOU VILL ACCEPT ZE PROPAGANDA, UND YOU VILL BE HAPPY.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >People can't appreciate shit nowadays.
      There is nothing to appreciate. Game devs always try to reach for the skies and always fly head first when they are about to reach the clouds. Every game has to have everything, it's so bland. Why does first-person shooter need a fricking crafting system and rpg mechanincs, why can't it just be a good fps instead of a mediocre/shit at everything? Also the amount of unfinished games that get published is sky high, for indie games I understand this, but so called AAA and AA studios doing it too nowadays. Games industry needs to be fricking purged.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Make your own games then
        >b-but
        Go on. Fulfill these ambitions and wild expectations of yours yourself

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Make your own games then
          >Go on. Fulfill these ambitions and wild expectations of yours yourself
          Why are you so butthurt over a few words, are you a triple A dev or something?
          Besides I think you didn't graps my point there. The point is that ~~*they*~~ should keep the games more simple instead of a neverending list of features during development.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          The thing about making shit is that everything you make yourself will just seem mediocre and lame to you even if it is perfectly adequate. Trying to enjoy a game you made yourself is like trying to coom to your own drawings. All you see is flaws.

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    No it's not.

    There's plenty of shit out there to play.

    Can't find new shit? Look for old shit you may have missed out on.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's more about the culture than the games themselves. People don't talk about classic JRPGs very much.
      Octopath Traveler 2 was great (even if I don't like the pixel art), but FFXVI is going to overshadow it completely and win best RPG.
      Every year core JRPGs get shafted in favor of action-adventure games like those from FromSoft or CD Projekt Red.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Octopath Traveler 2 was great (even if I don't like the pixel art), but FFXVI is going to overshadow it completely and win best RPG

        Well yeah, year end awards are glorified popularity contests. Do you expect any different?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        > FFXVI
        Not an RPG it’s a movie game.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Octopath Traveler 2 was great
        I just finished the game 100% including the optional super boss. I also just played the XVI demo. The problem is graphics. Octopath games need AAA graphics with the same mechanics. I really don't care much about pixel games. It's hard to get immersed

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          No it's not.

          There's plenty of shit out there to play.

          Can't find new shit? Look for old shit you may have missed out on.

          The issue isn't pixel graphics, it's that the pixel graphics with modern game lighting messes with it, and makes it look weird.
          Not only that, this is moronic use of pixel art. Just draw it out, why does it even need to be pixel art? I doubt it would cost that much to draw the guy/background on the left

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Just draw it out
            You say that like they wouldn't pick the most ugly, disgusting, vile art style known to man. If it isn't simplified, some fricker's bound to ruin it.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Octopath Traveler 2
        I liked the first one alright but didn't think the secret final boss was done well at all. Number 2 worth getting into? I know almost nothing about it

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          If you liked the base gameplay of the first, it's fair to assume you'll love the second. It's the first game with more polish. The final boss also isn't a side quest in this one, it's actually its own Epilogue thankfully. Though there still is a secret boss via sidequest.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >via sidequest
            Is it still dumb? I remember getting to that part and like:
            >Requires party to be almost double the level of the main story final bosses
            >All 8 must be leveled up
            >Extremely specific composition required
            >60 minutes per attempt because of 8 boss gauntlet prelude
            Like cool, I'll just watch a YouTube video rather than turn a 40 hour game into a 75 hour game for 1 fight

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, it's the same shtick. But at least it's not the canonical finale of the game (nor is it behind a mandatory boss rush) and instead more of a side attraction. I personally didn't feel the need to fight the new one this time around either, but at least it's far less egregious.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Core niche jarpigs have always been shafted by big budget kusoge tbh.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        the difference is that XVI is not even an rpg, it's a dmc clone with a fantasy theme, elden ring was at least an action rpg instead of pure action

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      God I love Ganker

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >redditjacks
    Isn’t your shithole back up yet?

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >westernize
    >action design now based on DMC (japanese series)

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Devil May Cry is obviously a westernized series. It began as a way to make Resident Evil more mainstream in the West by focusing on action. The team literally travelled to Europe for inspiration.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        it's westernized yet resembles basically no western series...

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Is there any vidya genre that it's easy to be a fan of lately? I'm basically a /vr/ purist because it all seems pretty awful across the board unless you really want to hunt for quality titles. And those games tend to be throwbacks anyway.

        Honestly, JRPGs seem to have more high-profile series that aren't trash than most genres at the moment. It's just that Final Fantasy went to shit (which *is* a real bummer, don't get me wrong) and they aren't as numerous as they were in the 90s.

        You can make that argument for DMC1, but if you seriously can't see the extreme levels of anime exuding from the series from DMC3 onward, I dunno what to tell you.

        >The team literally travelled to Europe for inspiration.
        I'm pretty sure that had more to do with the architecture and demon design than anything else.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          JRPGs are doing well outside of FF. New Atlus games will be good, Soul Hackers 2 was also good. Kiseki has a new game coming and a lot of games to play in general. Atelier is strong.
          FF is a gacha and MMO franchise now, pretty sure it's dead forever.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Devil May Cry is obviously a westernized
        DMC 1 literally redefined the action genre though? The entirety of popular action games, from DMC to Bayonetta to Nier are literally ALL Japanese. It's a nearly 100% eastern dominated genre.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        there's not a single western game that captures the silly "anime bullshit powers" tone of dmc, saying it's a westernized game is like saying stuff like final fantasy is european.

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I fricking hate jrpgs and think they're the most anti-fun genre there is but I will still sink hundreds of hours into them, why am I like this Ganker? what made me so masochistic?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're autistic

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      You need help anon, you have a mental problem that makes you hate the things that make you happy. JRPGs are good, it's okay to like them.

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    No one says this. No one does this either. You don't look like that.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >You don't look like that
      thanks man, I needed to hear that

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >wojakshit
    didn't read
    thread hidden
    image filtered

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    shartypedos are acting weirder by the day

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    There's nothing WRPGlike about ff16

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >There's nothing WRPGlike about ff16

      Correct! Instead they're trying to make "cinematic" Sonyshit.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        It’s more like Horizon Zero Dawn than an actual RPG. Just another forgettable third person action game with too many cutscenes and no customization or class system. There isn’t even any way to level up your skills, just gain xp to unlock moves like Assassins Creed or DMC. It would be like saying Spider-Man is an RPG because you are playing the role of Spider-Man. It’s a button masher movie game.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Now people consider the Horizon games to be RPGs when it so clearly isn't.

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    YWNBJ

    You will never be Japanese

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      thank fricking christ for that!

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah frick Japan. Now lets take a stroll down to our local drag show, bring your kids!

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          no? you knock yourself out with that though

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Good. I just want to leave a trail of pregnant jwomen with my bwc. Frick BEING japanese. Too much fish.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Being a Japanese male is loosing the genetic and life lottery. There is zero (0) reason to envy them.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        White incel cope.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I envy their culture. Not the samurai/weeb shit, but their work attitude, walking and family culture. Much better in the west, where we're still expected to work like crazy, have to drive instead of taking comfty walks/bike rides to work, and get separated from family
        Does the

        The proper term is Ultima-like unless they are dungeon crawlers

        Jap games draw way more from Wizardry, only overworld travel was taken from Ultima if memory serves me right

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Japanese work culture is american work culture on steroids
          what a delusional fricking weeb, have a nice day you unironic weeaboo

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            If that was true they wouldn't suck so much economically compared to america. Asian culture is about appearing busy at work but not actually doing "more"

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              they are a small archipelago of mostly mountains not a massive collection of colonies with a land rich in resources
              moron

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      但し!俺様には日本語を読む能力が存在するわい!

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Clinging to FF is like holding on to the notion that fapping to Traps doesn't make you secretly an Egg.

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It used to be a fun medium with wacky new ideas and tons of studios, but the profitability turned it into a machine that churns out the most profitable normie shit possible. Turn based RPGs are one of my favorite types of games and all I hear anymore is “ugh, it’s too slow!”.

    I hate it.

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The proper term is Ultima-like unless they are dungeon crawlers

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, because troony action-gays and troony MMO-gays wish to be JRPG enjoyers for some reason despite not enjoying them. Some strange identity crisis on their part.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      They want to pretend to be niche enjoyers for le quirkiness points
      Same shit that ruins roguelikes

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    jrpggays can you recommend any jrpgs with actually good gameplay? Every time I try a jrpg I bounce off the shit slow ass combat every time

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Play a real-time JRPG like Xenoblade or Tales

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Tales isn't real-time, it's straight up action

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      No. Do not play JRPGs. Keep your cancer in its own corner

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      SMT or Etrian, idk, the combat in those is usually pretty fast paced.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Black Souls.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pokemon

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        This is unironically the only good answer. JRPGs otherwise are not interested in making turn based gameplay interesting, rather, the people who play them only like turn based games, not because they involve actual tactics, but because it removes the twitch skill elements and forces everything to rely entirely on the stat building, which is what they really crave. There is no other explanation as to why every turn based RPG has leveling up in it, which makes the games meaningless to balance, but it all makes sense when you understand that their fans really want to see numbers go up and go into menus to equip pieces of (theoretically) shiny new armor, even if that does nothing but make the same numbers go up.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >the people who play them only like turn based games
          you have it backwards THOUGH

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nope. You should stop trying to like them and stick to another genre.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Well, if what you're looking for is fast-paced combat, I recommend you to play Sakuna of Rice and Ruin, Ys VIII and the Kingdom Hearts series.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      FF9
      golden sun 1/2 (maybe 3)
      chrono trigger

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Final Fantasy V
      Combat is simple at first but goes by quickly, customization with the job system is fun and there's infinite ways to break the game

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Every time I try a jrpg I bounce off the shit slow ass combat every time

      Are you black?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Shin Megami Tensei, any mainline game after if..., with the exception of IV.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Bravely Default + Bravely Second
      SaGa series
      SMT series
      Black Souls 2

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      legend of legaia, us version

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Both TWEWY games
      Kingdom Hearts
      Etrian Odyssey
      Radiant Historia
      Super Robot Taisen OG Saga: Endless Frontier and EXCEED
      Parasite Eve
      Megaman Battle Network
      SaGa
      Tales of Xillia 2, Graces F, and Vesperia
      Resonance of Fate

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Crystal Project

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Frick off we're full

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Mainline final fantasy hasn't been good since 12 released in 2006. It hasn't been good in almost 20 years. 13 was garbage. 14 was garbage when released until it was completely redesigned, even then, its good...for an mmo. 15 while I still enjoyed it quite a bit for what it was, it was a complete mess.
    16 might actually be good, we will see.
    Either way, it hasn't been influential to modern JRPGs or one of the "good ones" for almost 2 decades.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Since X for me.
      It's subjective though.
      I'd say theree are parts of the franchise that were objectively bad for itself since at least vii

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >wojak

    I instantly don't care.

  18. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    play eo

  19. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just say you want turn-based rpgs or whatnot. Doesn't make sense to call turn-based rpgs jrpgs when there are plenty of rpgs from japan that aren't turn-based. It's not xenophobic or whatever, it's just stupid.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      There are RPGs that aren't turn-based but also don't have full-blown action combat. My favorite series is Xenoblade, for instance.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >there are plenty of rpgs from japan that aren't turn-based
      Name 4

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Tales, Star Ocean, Ys, Xenoblade, Kingdom Hearts....

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Ancient Ys Vanished Omen
        Ancient Ys Vanished Omen: The Final Chapter
        Wanderers from Ys
        Dawn of Ys

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Dark souls
        Devil may cry
        Omnimusha
        Final fantasy 7 remake

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        [...]
        It nakes more sense to just not call these games JRPGs. They're action games or adventure games, made in japan. We don't call jap fighting games JFGs.

        We don't call Dark Souls a JRPG just cuz it was made by japs. It not only doesn't share JRPG design tropes, it is more of a action adventure game first and foremost.
        But then you have "JRPGs" that are action games, like Tales, or Xenoblade.
        They're still JRPGs because they still have the trope anime inspried style of writing and setting.

        ARPG stands for Action RPG. But it's used exclusively nowadays for Diablo clone isometric hack and slash games. Not for literal Action Games with RPG elements like Dark Souls or Dragons Dogma. So it's best to just see what these genre classifcations are historically used for and keep them as such. At the end of the day they are just a way to organize genres.

        You do know that ARPGs literally originated in Japan, right? Between 1984-1985 (predating turnbased games like Dragon Quest) a bunch of Japanese ARPGs popped up on Japanese PCs. Dragon Slayer series, Hydlide series, Courageous Perseus, etc. And then you have stuff like Ys which is a direct descendent of these early ARPGs.

        While turn-based JRPGs are just evolutions of Western mechanics. Most turn-based JRPG design tropes evolved from Ultima and Wizardry.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          there's so much good retro jap ARPGs that people sleep on

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's also disingenuous since action JRPGs predate action WRPGs

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >there are plenty of rpgs from japan that aren't turn-based
      Name 4

      Dark souls
      Devil may cry
      Omnimusha
      Final fantasy 7 remake

      It nakes more sense to just not call these games JRPGs. They're action games or adventure games, made in japan. We don't call jap fighting games JFGs.

      We don't call Dark Souls a JRPG just cuz it was made by japs. It not only doesn't share JRPG design tropes, it is more of a action adventure game first and foremost.
      But then you have "JRPGs" that are action games, like Tales, or Xenoblade.
      They're still JRPGs because they still have the trope anime inspried style of writing and setting.

      ARPG stands for Action RPG. But it's used exclusively nowadays for Diablo clone isometric hack and slash games. Not for literal Action Games with RPG elements like Dark Souls or Dragons Dogma. So it's best to just see what these genre classifcations are historically used for and keep them as such. At the end of the day they are just a way to organize genres.

  20. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Turn based is a design that arose because of hardware limitations and industry immaturity and now is being supported only because of laziness. They don't have much more to live and soon will stand in one line with rpgmaker shit where they belong.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      so every game that doesn't use modern day graphics is laziness and are doomed to failure?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Turn based is a design that arose because of hardware limitations and industry immaturity and now is being supported only because of laziness. They don't have much more to live and soon will stand in one line with rpgmaker shit where they belong.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Except action JRPGs predate modern turn based JRPGs

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Action games are panacea for morons that don’t want to think about what they are doing. FFXVI is zoomer pandering bullshit pretending to be an RPG so homosexuals with no attention span can say they are into RPGs without actually having to play one. It’s just a nothing genre that got popular enough to be co-opted by newbies like every niche hobby. They are like locusts consuming hobbies and spitting out the destroyed corpses, like gaming, comics, anime, tabletop, etc. it’s the Reddit hug of death. After the success of Elden Ring RPGs are just the current trend they can use for clout to make up for not having a personality. They stripmine IPs and genres to compensate for not having a genuine identity.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        > It’s just another genre that got popular enough

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Pure cope. Most Final Fantasies are so braindead that you eventually just spam attack anyway, at least in an action game you need to actually think on your feet and account for positioning.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >posts cope
          Action games are shit and you’ve never actually played an RPG before. Looks like I hit the nail on the head because you knew I was talking about you.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >old ff games
        >"thinking about what you are doing"
        lol
        lmao

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >muh hardware limitations
      >action RPGs and turn based RPGs coexisted since the days of the NES, perhaps even earlier

      Nah. The whole 'action is an evolution of turn based' argument is a cope made by modern final fantasy fans to justify stupid design decisions.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      No, it arouse because people played turn based games with pen and paper. Beating the shit otuta each other existed way before that. have a nice day with your shallow reddit tier trivia.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Is soccer an evolution of baseball?

  21. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Ganker can't define RPG
    >act like JRPG means anything beyond Japanese Role Playing Game
    I hate normalgays goalpost moving definitions. This is why trannies got so much power.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      RPG in the context of video games is a genre that descended from mechanics established in table-top role playing games (which then actually just meant any table-top game that has roleplaying.
      These mechanics include things like stats and character-building, but also commands that you deploy for attacks or other actions.
      In TTRPGs, you don't actually swing a sword, that would be LARPing. A game where you physically swing a sword like LoZ: Skyward Sword are probably the closest equivalent that there is to LARPing in games, but you can consider action games in general as being distinct from RPGs due to the action component.
      Games like Elden Ring or FFXVI are action-focused to the degree that more of the games' difficulty stems from using the controller to dodge and attack instead of deploying commands, so I consider them more action games than RPGs.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        There is this weird trend where people think "real" RPGs are action games with bad combat.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          That' just a Bethestard who has never played a CRPG in their life.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Start a RPG definition thread in Ganker or /vrpg/ and it is doomed to fail.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        > Elden Ring or FFXVI
        There is zero customization in FFXVI it is not in an RPG is any sense of the word. You can replay Elden Ring over and over and never use the same weapons or skills twice, and progress the story in any order you want. They are not comparable at all. FF16 is a shitty action game movie with musou in between cutscenes. You can’t even block or counter attacks, it’s just on the rails QTE bullshit

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          You’ve never played the game. I’m going to completely ignore the fact that you’re moronic enough to compare XVI to a musou, and tell you that you use Titan’s ability to block attacks. You can also parry by attacking at the exact time an enemy does. There’s also attacking out of a precision dodge.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Go replay the demo and count how many cutscenes there are and think back to what you did in between them.
            >Cutscene
            >walk down hallway
            >Cutscene
            >walk down hallway
            >collect item
            >cutscene
            >walk down hallway
            >cutscene
            >fight 3 goblins
            >walk down hallway
            >cutscene
            >walk down hallway
            >fight 5 goblins
            >collect item
            >cutscene
            >walk down hallway
            >cutscene
            >repeat
            The cutscenes are just there to hide loading screens and the world is still barren.
            The acting is cringe they all sound and act like npcs in FF14 and none of the characters even fit their voices.
            The king looks 24 yet his kid is 15.
            Cid is ridiculous looking to have that voice.
            The majority of the characters have the same fricking face.
            Its awkward and hollow and the dialog is cringe inducing.
            >more ale!
            >more tales!
            kek

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >leftist meme
        RPG is a game where the character's abilities determine success instead of the player's.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          meme
          Mind-broken

  22. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >having imaginary culture wars in your head
    >making wojak comics based on those imaginary culture wars in your head
    Mental health ain't holding up too well eh OP

  23. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >wojaks
    You were never a jrpg fan
    have a nice day.

  24. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    RPGS are the way they were because of limitations. Modernization is a proper word for it. Not to say that there isn't a charm to turn based. Or that turn based needs to cease to exist.

    I do agree that JRPG and referring to things as 'Japanese' was derogatory for a time. But I don't think it's inherently racist to refer to something as jrpg as a way of differentiating a piece of media. There is a clear difference. And I honestly love jrpgs and wrpgs equally. Both have their faults and benefits.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      TTRPGs are more successful than LARP despite the latter offering a more immersive experience. People play traditional RPGs over action ones for the same reason.
      Games where you "press button to swing sword" are not a modernized version of "press button to choose command." Action games like Zelda have existed as long as console RPGs have, so this whole time they could have included sword buttons but just didn't want to.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >RPGS are the way they were because of limitations

      That's just headcanon that in no way shape of form is a reality. I don't know of a single studio that makes RPGs instead of actions games due to these limitations.

      It's mostly investors the ones that dictate what can and can't be made with the IPs

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      if any of that were true games like ffvi would have been contra clones, they did not wanted to make an action game, dipshit

  25. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >When the edgy game show makes edgy jokes about Japanese games and calls them mediocre
    >:(
    >When Japanese refuse to touch companies or consoles they deem western and Japanese game journalists outright ignore western games in favor of their own country's
    🙂

  26. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I made a thread not so long ago asking for JRPGs where you can't just mash A through 90% of the game and everyone called me a homosexual for playing Final Fantasy. Everyone said that Final Fantasy was shit and I was a moron for even playing it.

    I said it's one of the most popular JRPGs and it's representative of the genre. Everyone said "since when?".

    Now FFXVI is coming out and it's all this board fricking talks about. I feel like I've been gaslit.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >wtf why are easy games popular
      I see you're still a moron

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        And here they come again.

        Acting like Final Fantasy isn't representative of the genre.

        Literally every JRPG is like this. The only exceptions are SRPGs.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          why do you care if you don't even play them

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why would you expect people playing role playing games with no role playing or choices and who genuinely think gameplay of holding down space is good, to be anything more than braindead botsin a discussion?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        There are virtually no hard JRPGs since essentially close to every one of them lets you grind to make up for any weaknesses or flaws of your build and you use the same basic strategy of healing/reviving to not die to take on almost everything.

        I made a thread not so long ago asking for JRPGs where you can't just mash A through 90% of the game and everyone called me a homosexual for playing Final Fantasy. Everyone said that Final Fantasy was shit and I was a moron for even playing it.

        I said it's one of the most popular JRPGs and it's representative of the genre. Everyone said "since when?".

        Now FFXVI is coming out and it's all this board fricking talks about. I feel like I've been gaslit.

        I remember that thread, and yeah, you can see from the responses you're getting how thin skinned fans of the genre are.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're a homosexual for playing Final Fantasy. Final Fantasy is shit and you are a moron for even playing it. Perchance.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Now FFXVI is coming out and it's all this board fricking talks about. I feel like I've been gaslit.
      Why are people always surprised when a new game is being talked about?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        it's not unique to Ganker, majority of people have a lot of difficulty comprehending people who think differently from themselves or who have different experiences. if it's too off from their own thinking or experience, it will feel "fake" to them.
        it's why you get weird shit like people not believing someone has a peanut allergy and sneaking it to them to "prove them faking", and getting them sent to the hospital. shit's weird.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >peanut allergy
          Vaccines are safe and effective btw.

  27. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    hoodjak

  28. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Play Honkai Star Rail

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >play chink gacha garbage

      Frick off wienerroach

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      3 buttons.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I can't believe they made a a game hokey start rail

  29. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yoshi's right. Most of you people use the term "JRPG" as an insult, why would he want his games to be associated with that term when it carries more negative connotation than good?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >G4 opinion
      No one should ever give a frick what those G4 morons have to say.
      >don’t like it don’t watch, peace
      https://www.kotaku.com.au/2023/03/old-g4-review-is-forcing-gaming-to-reckon-with-its-racist-jrpg-past/

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        FF7 (the actual only real one thats not moronic) marketting went out of its way to not even use the term "RPG" at the time. If youre butthurt over Yoshida avoiding the label JRPG then get ready for your melty at Sakaguchi. Its just smart strategy. The existing core JRPG fanbase has become stagnant pond water with increasingly eccentric weird anime fans whereas in the PS1 days you actually had mainstay normie kids playing them, and a lot of that is because instead of just using their games to tell good stories and good worlds they doubled down on things that only appeal to those who are already lifestyle neets with anime girls as their profile picture.

        Anime had always influenced JRPGs of course, but they started doubling down on the worst most terminally obsessed cancer quirky anime-isms like annoying juvenile characters striking silly poses and speaking in silly voices all the time and stupid storylines involving parralel universes that you just accept if you have been subsumed in the genre for a while, but realize just how moronic and embaressing they are when you stop and try to explain to a friend

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      And "WRPG" is even more of an insult here, and Yoshitpiss very much wants to be western.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      this
      >"oh, that whacky weird weeb shit with underage kpop main characters that only people who naruto run like?"

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because, supposedly, he's a grown fricking man and not a little toddler that needs to be coddled. So the fricking zipperhead will take the jrpg insult to his face, smile, and nod

  30. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Wanna play a modern JRPG
    >What are my options?
    >Giant budget action RPGs that end up being soulless open world disasters that chase the western market.
    >Animu weeb shit that makes you watch 3 entire episodes of anime worth of cutscenes before it lets you actually play for an entire 10 minutes.
    >Zero budget DRPGs made by 3 people who can't even afford to give their game better than psp level graphics (the games are soulful as frick).

    I know I'm overgeneralizing a bit, but the number of honest to god fun JRPGs that don't fall into one of these categories is dwindling into almost zero games per year.

  31. 11 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >All those words
      Why do morons write all that bullshit and still fail to make a workable definition?

      Here is mine.
      1) relies on avatar strength (stats) over player skill,
      2) has a persistent game world and a persistent progress system,
      3) has a level of deliberate non-cosmetic customizability for avatar characters, and
      4) has an end goal (not a sandbox with self-imposed goals).

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        nobody cares about your definition moron

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Nobody going to read all that bullshit in that image to justify normalgay usage of words. The modern usage of RPG is as useful as the modern usage of the word Democracy which means "the status quo of a person who can't imagine a time other than the present".

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            except that article is arguing for the original meaning of the term, which has very clear delineations, whereas the moron I quoted his arguing for a modern meaningless definition that manages to be vague and pointless enough to include zelda while somehow moronic enough to exclude MUDs.
            It is the definition of a child who thinks and tries to justify that diablo is an rpg.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >except that article is arguing for the original meaning of the term, which has very clear delineations,
              >muh roleplaying
              No, frick off. This is the same gay shit this

              There is this weird trend where people think "real" RPGs are action games with bad combat.

              picture.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      No CRPG can imitate TTRPGs. RPG just refer to the mechanisms of TTRPGs because roleplaying is too broad, since you can take the role of Mario in Mario games.

      In terms of mechanistic distinctions between genres, here is the definitive definition:
      In RPGs, you press buttons to select commands.
      In Action games, you press buttons to directly attack.

      That's it.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      This guy is absolutely butthurt with early CRPGs and anally devasted with JRPGs for the only reason that "Me no likey, me supah smart and understand that i mash X" Which couldn't be farther from the truth.

      What irks me is that as stupid as he is , he understand that there are good JRPGs. So why not play games like Bravely Default? Etrian Odyssey? SMT? In the end it's his own fault for seeing the world the way he wants to see it, don't even know why he is angry about it no one is forcing him to play Final Fantasy or Disgaea.

  32. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    And yet Kuro no Kiseki is the best turn based system in almost two decades

  33. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    After the success of Skyrim, western action game devs feel pressured to have open-worlds, so they incorporate RPG-like mechanics such as gear and stats so there's more rewards to the game to encourage exploration. These aren't actually RPG though.
    Japanese RPG devs who have had "open-worlds" since the 90s see this and think that they are competing with them, and then decide they need to incorporate more action gameplay to compete.
    This resulted in a new chimera genre that came action-ification and RPG-ification from both sides.

  34. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think what's funny about the whole "JRPG is a derogatory term" is that it still kind of exists today, I remember when Dark Souls came out, people didn't want to admit that a JRPG was mainstream popular so they just insisted that it isn't one

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      It is morons using the "Western style" cope just like how morons can define what is a woman.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      The west will never stop seething about Japanese games

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Normal people will never respect anime.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why should I respect what "normal" people think? They worship Black folk and trannies.

  35. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Jarpig bros. Recommend me a good jrpg where I don't play as a pre-teen/teenage boy or girl.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Xenosaga trilogy, protagonist is in 22-23 years old.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Kuro no Kiseki. You will be called an old man at the decrepit age of 24.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Every Kiseki protag except Estelle (first 2 games) is an adult or grows into one over the course of the games.

  36. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I hate how dumbed down the combat is in real-time Final Fantasy games.

  37. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think Dragon Quest 9 is the best 4 homies in a line game ever.

  38. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Jarpiggers deserve worse

  39. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Only if you're a turn-base gay

  40. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Jrpg: number go up
    Crpg: complete the quest

  41. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    is dragon's dogma a jrpg?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >RPG
      >it's from Japan
      yep.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's not that simple. JRPG refers to the specific subgenre and that originated from Japan, not just Japan + RPG. Dark Souls is not a JRPG because it isn't inspired by any and doesn't share the traits of the subgenre.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Dragon's Dogma and Dark Souls are not JRPGs. They are not RPG even. TES games are not RPGs.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            The Elder Scrolls is more of an RPG than Dark Souls.
            Aside from archery, the combat in Skyrim is pretty abstracted. You just press buttons to attack directly in front of you for melee and the animations are long so you don't just button mash. There also aren't any dodging mechanics, so the determiner of each combat outcome is pretty much just your build.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              An action game with shit combat isn't an RPG. Also, pausing the game and drinking/eating consumables trivializes any encounter. It is a game for brainlets and dexlets

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          > not just Japan + RPG
          According to who?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Normalgays who are easily influenced by marketing.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Would you like to provide a description of said subgenre that isn't redundant and includes games that have been traditionally labeled as JRPGs for decades like Ys, Tales, FF, Persona, SMT, EO, DQ, etc.?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            RPG... but no choices!

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              > and includes games that have been traditionally labeled as JRPGs for decades like Ys, Tales, FF, Persona, SMT, EO, DQ, etc.?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yep

                Sounds iffy, even something like Chrono Trigger has 10+ endings.

                Wow, that's like... less than 4 binary choices, amazing. Like watching an identical movie but the credits are in a different language, such variety

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >JRPGs have no choices!
                >Here's a JRPG with choices
                >Uh doesn't count I still win!
                Hahaha. No, you don't.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                It really barely counts. The idea of getting different ending because you beat the game at a different point/in different circumstances is so cool in principle, but the way CT actually does it is so lame and restrictive within its linear structure.

                It's like, you're never actually seeking out an alternate way of completing the game, you just get more powerful and happen to be able to face the boss quicker on a replay.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                A lot of words to say "man, you sure beat me the frick out"

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                CT is a very linear game with a bunch of "you're not supposed to win against this boss now, but if you do you beat the game". Like, it's cool that it does this but it is different from being able to choose a different path through the game.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Except there's a ton of optional content that changes your characters permanently by the time the game ends. "The game" is not than "the final scene"

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's true of FFVII and tons of other JRPGs though.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                So?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Different endings are not choices. See, this is my point. You don't even understand what a choice is. Like a blind thinking a cow looks like "moo" thats not image, thats sound

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                So explain how your choices that affect the game more in an SMT game are not choices but the vending machine ending of Deus Ex games is.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Deus exis an fps with rpg elements, not an rpg

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Sounds iffy, even something like Chrono Trigger has 10+ endings.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            4 homies in a row? (assuming you mean old style FF)

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >and includes games that have been traditionally labeled as JRPGs for decades like Ys, Tales, FF, Persona, SMT, EO, DQ, etc.?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >you and 3 other homies go out to become goblin meat grinders
      >job system in place, game built around constantly swapping your party members out and your own classes and skills for the situation
      >the final boss isn't the final boss and there's an alternate version of the world to explore after killing them and the true final boss is god
      >two endgame dungeons meant for you to grind over and over with a third final boss that also makes the dungeon harder and has a secret second phase
      It's an action JRPG

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        how about..... JARPG (Japanese Action Role-Playing Game)?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          This WILL be the new hotness.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          This WILL be the new hotness.

          I love to slam jarpgs

  42. 11 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not watching your video but the term JRPG exists because reviewers hate japanese games

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wrong.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          what do you gain from pretending to be moronic

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wrong.

      I watched the video and he talks a lot of about the importance of genre definitions while never explaining what is a JRPG according to him. At least, Kotaku explained what they consider a JRPG.

  43. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    you can just grind your level in dark souls too though and also call for help if you get stuck though

  44. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >wojakBlack person
    have a nice day

  45. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    WRPG: Dragon Age: Origins, Mass Effect, Witcher, Oblivion, Skyrim

    JRPG: Persona 1/2/3/4/5, FF1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9, Xenoblade etc

    Is it really that hard to understand?

  46. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >It's hard to be a JRPG fan lately
    Only if you're a normal who only plays the biggest and newest ones.

  47. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The first point is good but i think JRPGs could do better, japs are the best at everything but i think jrpgs could improve

  48. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is the SOVL of JRPGs. The farther we stray from it, the more SOVL-less we become.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >anon regularly jerks off to his Legend of the Dragoon shrine

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        You don't?

  49. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Are people seriously excited for FF16? Didn't you get burnt out from all the other square frick up? I understand that final fantasy games differs quite a bit from each other but don't you think removing party members and making it an action game is going too far?

  50. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    With Persona 3 Reload and ReFantazio coming out soon there's no reason to care about Square Enix kusoge or what that megalomaniac MMOtard has to say. Atlus is gonna mog their shit.

  51. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Except Square is also doing turn based and shit. Don't those Bravely games carry the torch of Final Fantasy already? Haven't gotten to Bravely Default or Triangle Octopath yet but I just played Four Heroes of Light and that was great, just continue that series if you want turn-based bro, modern Final Fantasy is just for Nomura fangirls and Kingdom Hearts players. Who would give a shit about the franchise after FF12 anyways? Seriously we live in a society where Square released a bloody LIVE A LIVE remake for christs sake, what classic FF fan would give one tenth of a crap about this souless Nomura slop?

  52. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    have a nice day

  53. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I wish we could have a decent middle ground between Jrpgs and action combat. SOP almost gets it right, but then it ruins it with diablo autism and Nioh stuff

  54. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Westernize
    Fricking what? Japan were the ones who built and popularized that game style.

  55. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >it's hard to be a JPRG fan
    >image is just about final fantasy
    There are other JRPGs, you know?

  56. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ffxvi looks like shit

  57. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It feels good being a JRPG fan!

  58. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Are there any JRPGs where the main protagonist is in his/her 30s or greater?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lost Odyssey, well kinda.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Stranger of Paradise

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      FFXVI

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        They asked for JRPGs

  59. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The last JRPG i really loved was breath of fire 3

  60. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Did he always have ears? Did the wojak always have ears? I feel like he didn't have ears. Am I going insane? There's no way he had an ear before.

  61. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I've been enjoying myself. Octopath 2 is probably my GOTY with how much fun I had with it. If you count Mystery Dungeons as RPGs, I've heavily enjoyed both the PMD modding community (Origins is great, can't wait for it to release) and ZHP on PSP. I've seen people in several threads say good things about FF Dimensions for Mobile and I can say that it really does feel like a sequel to the SNES games with its job system and story, even if I don't like the artstyle for it. It's been a good year.
    And last year had Live A Live, so I don't dare complain on that front.

  62. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bloodborne is the best JRPG.

  63. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >westernize
    where is this mythical western RPG that plays like devil may cry?

  64. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's a good thing there is a solid 40 years of JRPGs to fill the backlog.
    Couldn't care less about how devs want to ruin modern JRPGs.

  65. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm ok with turn-based, but i really hate random encounters.

  66. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I thought they're called 4 homies in a row games now?

  67. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nice straw man image, fricko

  68. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Turn-based rpgs aren't dead, bad turn-based rpgs are (also known as jrpgs)

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      What are some good western turn-based games that are still being made/played?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        BG3, rogue trader, colony ship, dragon age is in works (ja3, but thats not really an rpg). I think something was being made with the dude doing "oldschool fallout modernized" art as main artist
        We had poe2, dos2, pathfinder 2, wasteland 3 in what I'd call recently for the genre

  69. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >TFW i never finished any Final Fantasy games past FFX

  70. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    What's your favorite JRPG that feels like a proper journey? Where you go all around the world and it really feels like you did just that?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Romancing SaGa 2

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Dragon Quest 3

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      SMT:SJ does this pretty well, but rather than a full journey it feels like a slow march through enemy lines.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      wild arms 2

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Doesn't that have an outright incomprehensible translation?

  71. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It drives posers on Ganker absolutely insane that not every game needs to be a test of reflex.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Your opinion is not objective, poser.

      * poseur

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Are you the same guy who seethes about God Hand?

  72. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly, I kinda feel the first one. J-RPG is kind of a moronic term, and it did always have this weird connotation of: "It's like an RPG, but from Japan". It now gets used to describe such a fricking wide range of games, that it's not really useful any more either. Persona, Yakuza, Final Fantasy, Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, Nier Automata, Pokemon, Shin Megami Tensei, Ys are all "JRPG", but they are all incredibly destinct from reach other, some having commonalities, some don't. And now knowing that nip devs often considered the term derogatory kinda makes me want to not use it any more, but the problem is there's no real fricking alternative at all. What do you call them, if not JRPGs?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      RPG

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Honestly, I might just start calling them RPGs.

        >. It now gets used to describe such a fricking wide range of games
        It always has been used that way and has always been a useless term. In fact it was coined entirely because Journalists were too lazy to use proper subgenres back in the 90s so they would lump everything together into one awkward non-genre. It's the same reason why people often think "ARPG" means "Diablo clone" or how FPS games were called Doom clones for the longest time, even into the late 90s when they'd diversified away from Doom heavily. Because vidya Journalists were too lazy to bother with real genre descriptors. People back in the day called games like FF and DQ "light RPGs" but that term was never canonized because having to actually label RPGs as being ARPG, SRPG, Dungeon Crawler, Light RPG, cRPG, etc. was too complicated for "journalists".

        I don't know if I agree on putting it all on Journos. Seems like they're Gankers favourite boogieman these days.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          late 90s/early 00s journalists were a different breed from the ones today. Much less pretentious, much better at hiding that they were corporate shills.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Eh, I'm gonna say it has always been, and will always be: A hit and miss situation. You have some good ones, some bad ones. And every now and then they have hilariously bad takes. I remember Aliens being the first game to use left analog for moving, and right anolog for aiming which at the time was NOT the standard, and a game journo BLASTING the game for this decision, which of course now is how every single game on earth works.
            But there's also always decent ones in there. I feel like Ganker these days just has an unhealthy hateboner for journos. For some reason they see every single one of them as incompetent toddlers who've never seen a video game in their life before writing a review. So now every time anyone here shit-talks a games journo, I automatically roll my eyes and tune it out, the same way you do when a libertarian tells you how big companies totally would behave in an ethical way that is good for consumers if we just got rid of all regulations.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >But there's also always decent ones in there
              There were, but not really anymore. You can name a few that you think are good and aren't from sites that the industry considers fringe

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >For some reason they see every single one of them as incompetent toddlers who've never seen a video game in their life before writing a review
                Probably because about 90% of them are incompetent toddlers who've never seen a videogame before in their life

                See, I think that's unrealistic. Game Journos used to be decent, but now there's none left at all?
                Seems to me more likely that people on Ganker started being so contrarian about some fricking bullshit, that they started seeing an entire huge ass group of vastly different people as incompetent, because they don't hold the same opinion. At any rate, that seems way more realistic than "Every journo / critic is shit now".

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're viewing the situation from the wrong angle, it's not that they up and vanished for no reason. Gaming as an industry has grown and as such journalism of it has too, just in a poor direction. Instead of having high-quality reviewers spending good time on a select few video-games they would be interested in or good at, reviewers are expected to shit out a review for anything that the higher-ups put on their desk, genre be damned. This encourages people who can write decent-sounding bullshit but aren't really gamers and punishes more hardcore, single genre focused reviewers. Clicks > Quality when money talks, unfortunately.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                The few that are left are the ones who saw how their outlets were being turned into political mouthpieces and decided they were not just okay with that but would support that so yes.
                Plus like

                You're viewing the situation from the wrong angle, it's not that they up and vanished for no reason. Gaming as an industry has grown and as such journalism of it has too, just in a poor direction. Instead of having high-quality reviewers spending good time on a select few video-games they would be interested in or good at, reviewers are expected to shit out a review for anything that the higher-ups put on their desk, genre be damned. This encourages people who can write decent-sounding bullshit but aren't really gamers and punishes more hardcore, single genre focused reviewers. Clicks > Quality when money talks, unfortunately.

                said they're being overworked. The industry literally drove away anyone who didn't just want to churn out thinly veiled advertisements. Plus in the seventh gen there was a really big push to punish anyone with dissenting opinions (see the Kane and Lynch controversy) that drove away anyone left with integrity. Not that vidya journalism was ever a bastion of integrity to begin with.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >For some reason they see every single one of them as incompetent toddlers who've never seen a video game in their life before writing a review
              Probably because about 90% of them are incompetent toddlers who've never seen a videogame before in their life

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >. It now gets used to describe such a fricking wide range of games
      It always has been used that way and has always been a useless term. In fact it was coined entirely because Journalists were too lazy to use proper subgenres back in the 90s so they would lump everything together into one awkward non-genre. It's the same reason why people often think "ARPG" means "Diablo clone" or how FPS games were called Doom clones for the longest time, even into the late 90s when they'd diversified away from Doom heavily. Because vidya Journalists were too lazy to bother with real genre descriptors. People back in the day called games like FF and DQ "light RPGs" but that term was never canonized because having to actually label RPGs as being ARPG, SRPG, Dungeon Crawler, Light RPG, cRPG, etc. was too complicated for "journalists".

  73. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Yep
    OK, then provide one that includes Persona, SMT, etc.

  74. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    FF XVI is going to be revolutionary.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      in what sense? they're copying GoT slop and muh akshun western games

  75. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    You play Yakuza Like a Dragon? I really enjoyed that one and I have a hard time getting it up for any JRPG post 2010

  76. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    In all seriousness, has anybody actually experienced any blowback from calling it a JRPG lately? Outside of the obvious shitholes where you can be banned for wrongthink, I mean.

  77. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Unfortunately the Japanese games industry just isn't what it used to be. It isn't as bad as it is in the west of course but you're still seeing the rise of globohomosexual and centralization of the industry.

  78. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Eh, I find that there's not a lot of moderate JRPG fans. You tend to encounter either total casuals or obsessive weebs.

  79. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    what do you guys think about JRPG's that use timers to note turns, with character speed stats determining how fast the timer fills up?

  80. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    i'll play xvi but I just want every game to look like ff tactics or tactics ogre

  81. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >anything with stats is a rpg now
    Gran Turismo 3 is my favorite RPG

  82. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I just want to play a menu-based combat game with an ok story and some cute anime girls but apparently this is such an impossible task that only the japanese can so it. Shit sucks.
    I miss the ps1-ps2 era where you had a hundred jrpgs to choose from and they would all be original or interesting in at least one way

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I miss the ps1-ps2 era where you had a hundred jrpgs to choose from and they would all be original or interesting in at least one way
      Yes.

      >cute anime girls
      I can do without the coomer stuff though. Give me Lunar, or Tsuikoden, or Legaia

  83. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >this rendition of the classic theme

    my dick

  84. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    JRPGs play like ass, but at least they look cool. Unfortunately, people can't separate the two. Why can't we get an action/open world game with tons of player agency, but is also colorful and full of magic? It's like you can't be a real RPG unless you're black and brown.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I have a great JRPG for you.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        JRPGs play like ass, but at least they look cool. Unfortunately, people can't separate the two. Why can't we get an action/open world game with tons of player agency, but is also colorful and full of magic? It's like you can't be a real RPG unless you're black and brown.

        Yeah, I was about to say just play Zelda. Seriously Zelda just does all the shit that RPGs should be doing more of, and much better than they do, while also avoiding all the dumb shit that makes the genre stupid.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          The Dark Cloud games are also an option.

          Curious if Level 5's new JRPG Decapolice will be good.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        [...]

        Yeah, I was about to say just play Zelda. Seriously Zelda just does all the shit that RPGs should be doing more of, and much better than they do, while also avoiding all the dumb shit that makes the genre stupid.

        Zelda's not an RPG. Not even by Japanese standards, but you literally just saw me describe WRPGs with "player agency." What player agency exists in Zelda?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          How do you even define "player agency"? Canonical JRPGs like FF4 have less "player agency" than every Zelda game.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >How do you even define "player agency"?
            Can choose equipment, class, race, name, dialogue options, can kill NPCs, multiple endings, freedom of exploration, etc. The more a game has these things, the more it is an RPG. Player agency is what defines an RPG.
            >Canonical JRPGs like FF4 have less "player agency"
            But that's what I said. I specifically said JRPGs lack player agency, they just look cool. WRPGs look like shit, but they have player agency. Why am I repeating myself?

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Can choose equipment, class, race, name, dialogue options, can kill NPCs, multiple endings, freedom of exploration, etc.

              It's too bad there aren't any fun games that have ever implemented all of the above. Maybe because making a full "reality simulator" is hard.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              In Zelda?

              >equipment
              Yep
              >name
              Yep
              >dialogue options
              Yep
              >can kill NPCs
              Yep really
              >multiple endings
              Yep
              >freedom of exploration
              Absolutely

              You didn't think this through too well, did you?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Which Zelda games have those things? Your character looks the same in every fricking game. You're just Link. You can swap between weapons and pick a different name, but how many Zelda games have spears and armor and earrings?

  85. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    JRPG (the ones with menu combat) worth playing from the last 15 years:
    Rance Quest
    Sequel Blight
    Black Souls.
    SMTIV, SMTIVA

    It's fricking bleak. People are praising Dragon Quest even though it basically removed the entire gameplay to have visible encounters.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      What the frick kind of trash list is that? Ignoring Strange Journey, Devil Survivor, and SMTV in favor of the worst mainline SMT games? No Etrian Odyssey at all?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Strange Journey 2009. Didn't realize it made the cut. It's the best SMT except Mem Aleph being bullshit. I don't personally like Etrian but it's oversight not to include one.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I played the first SEQUEL game, I think it was SEQUEL Blight. It was a bad game

  86. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Yoshi-P is the boss of all JRPGs now

    What the frick was Elden Ring last year? You sound like a paranoid schizophrenic.

  87. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody does the first picture.
    Especially since it was just him explaining his discomfort at the term, not all the nonsense that twitter users (and Ganker, which is sort of like twitter for some reason these days) turned it into for clickbait

  88. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Atlus has been more relevant than Squenix for more than a decade

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >relevant
      I don't think that word means what you think it means
      Unless you just forgot to add the word "personally" before relevant

  89. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Exel shit needs to die. Either commit to real turn based like DoS2 and Wasteland 3 or do real time.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why? You can simply not play it. I'll never understand you autismal freaks who cry for the destruction of genres you don't play. In different life circumstances, you'd be a twitter dangerhair - you already act like it.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Obviously so I can enjoy more games. I was interested in a few jrpgs like strange journey and persona, but couldn't play them because they have incredibly simplistic and boring gameplay. It's an objectively inferior and casual gameplay design, I want it to be improved.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Your opinion is not objective, poser.

  90. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    RPG - game where character ability determines outcome rather than player ability
    JRPG - menu combat
    SRPG - menu combat with grid positioning
    ARPG - action game with stats and equipment
    Dungeon Crawler - first person view dungeon exploration
    Western RPG - Bethesda-like
    CRPG - typically isometric D&D dice roll cancer
    Roguelike - see berlin interpretation
    Diablo-like - real-time roguelike
    Roguelite - game with autistic farming for power for new runs

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >RPG - game where character ability determines outcome rather than player ability
      That has literally never been the case. It's not a "game" if the player doesn't matter. You would just create a character and then let an algorithm determine what happens to them while you sit back and watch. But even Gary Gygax and the original D&D stressed that it was first and foremost a game. What matters is the player's decision making.

  91. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't remember wojak has ears

  92. 11 months ago
    Anonymous
  93. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    What a stupid image. There are plenty of turn-based western games. The west invented turn-based games. Sage

  94. 11 months ago
    Anonymous
  95. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is just minor internet drama. Ignore it and it’ll go away

  96. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Difficulty has always been a weird balance in JRPG's if you play the games intuitively and just go from objective to objective you get your face smashed in because you didn't grind enough but if you even grind a little, it's the difference between getting absolutely destroyed or mopping the floor with the enemy.
    A lot of people complain more about the latter issue more than the former but I find it weird there's just so many resources available to you in JRPG's that you can create difficulty and a lot of older FF games now have pretty substantial difficulty mods on PC.
    >Turnbased is shit and doesn't work
    I feel like this is the one thing we're getting gaslit about. For the longest time we've had people come here and talk about how good Fear and Hunger is, that game is a great example that turnbased can be difficult it can be fun and the game does a good job delivering its narrative.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Difficulty has always been a weird balance in JRPG's if you play the games intuitively and just go from objective to objective you get your face smashed in because you didn't grind enough
      Skill issue.

  97. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I would like more SRPGs, but I wish they were designed for PC more often. FFT-likes made for a controller are mercilessly slow for even the most basic actions. Even then, on PC you still have the likes of nu-XCOM where inputs may be snappy, but execution is bogged down by cinematic camera angles and shit. If you were wondering why something like HoM&M3 became the paragon of its genre, look at the sheer speed at which everything in that game happens, while still feeling like you're not skipping anything important.

  98. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >wojaks
    have a nice day op

  99. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Alright Ganker what is your best JRPG
    - Plotwise
    - Autismwise (like combat/grind/buildhomosexualry)

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Plotwise
      Black Souls 2
      >Autismwise
      Bravely Default

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        > BS2
        Kinda cheating
        > BD
        Can I skip 1 and go for 2 if I dont want to emulate?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Can I skip 1 and go for 2
          Absolutely not. Bravely Default 2 is a massive downgrade in pretty much all aspects (except the music). BD1 has arguably one of the best combat systems in JRPGs, while BD2 is... well, maybe about average for a JRPG. It's the DmC of the DMC series. An okay game on its own, but does not live up to its series' legacy

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Dragon Quest 5, The Genius of Sappheiros

  100. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >ctrl+f astlibra revision
    >0 result
    normalgay thread

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's an ARPG, not a JRPG

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        By that definition, BG3 is JRPG

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