No the two leads having troublemaking rivals makes sense, they did that idea in the first Mario movie with the Scapellis. The most pointless Mario character is fricking Birdo who is only kept around for ugly romance jokes and extra Mario 2 representation.
Bombombs and shyguys are two of the most iconic Mario enemies and they originated from DDP. Think of how different Mario games would be if the SMB2 reskin didn't happen. Things like Bombomb Battlefield in Mario 64 would have never happened.
Nope. Birdo is from actual mainline Mario games, while Waluigi was always a lame idea and condemned to spinoffs. Waluigi has nothing to offer the series beyond being Wario's Tennis partner.
>Waluigi has nothing to offer the series beyond being Wario's Tennis partner
Waluigi is just evil Luigi, that's a fair enough partner for Wario for anything >Birdo is from actual mainline Mario games
Birdo was literally only in Mario 2 and its remake and they had no idea what to do with it afterwards. They tried pairing it up with Toad in Wario's Woods, then Yoshi in spin-offs in the 2000's but nobody cared it and now it's just the token troony meme of the Mario series.
I've no idea why Wario even bothers coming to main Mario universe, he has a much better cast of characters in his games. At this point they need to find another partner for Waluigi, like that israelite from Demolition Crew.
A game they legally can't release anymore since Fuji TV owns the cartoon Arabs and was essentially adapted from an older "Vertical scrolling platformer" prototype the Mario team made.
Him and Wario are funny comic relief villains, so seethe you moron. It's saddening that a so-called "spinoff filler character" leaves more of an impact than most Mario characters, hell even Mario and Luigi are shit compared to the Wario Bros. My boy needs a game, or at least a main role in a new Wario Land.
Wario Land will get a new entry that will go back to a Wario Land 3 style of gameplay, but with Wario Land 4 movement. It will also have Waluigi as a playable character, similar to how you could play Luigi after beating the game. It will release soon, and we will not cope.
The opening cutscenes of the gamecube sports games are proof enough that Waluigi has a role to play in the mario series, he is far from the most superfluous character.
Nintendo could give him a point if they weren't fricking cowards.
Where's my Wario & Waluigi: Partners in crime game? Where's my mainstream Mario game where Wario and Waluigi are the primary antagonists instead of Bowser?
They literally said the same thing about Luigi back then >just a palette swap >different colored mario
It was only until he got his own game that his character as a whole was fleshed out.
Do the same for Waluigi or include him in a Wario Land game, and you'll fix the problem of these arguments. Simple as.
>what is Pauline >what is wanting Peach in 3D World because he found cat girls sexy >what is Krystal's modern design because Miyamoto wanted Star Fox to have sex appeal
Why don't they just use Captain Syrup? Put her with both Wario and Waluigi, and you've got a trio of begruding baddies trying to outdo one another for power.
Funny enough when they did lean on Wario stuff for a game, they just jumped to Wario Land 3 because it was the most recent at the time. For a brief horrible moment in history, Rudy the Clown was almost Wario's new recurring villain.
I think that's Wario's problem. It's too spontaneous, cartoonishly zany and most importantly intentionally grotesque for what Nintendo probably wants to be seen as (Which I'm sure the Irony that the feared leader of the ruddy pirate band was a normal looking woman wasn't lost on the devs either). Shake It was like the first real continuity the series has had since 2 and the even then the designs were toned down a lot from 4. Like for example the obvious marioisms of the plot like a monster king and a princess just skewed by the fact Wario doesn't give a frick about either....and it still failed.
Wario Land series should have continued to be Nintendo's more "mature" Mario platformer equivalent, I mean we have DKC still sorta, why is Wario relegated to minigame hell?
Hot take: it failed BECAUSE it was toned down! Wario land GBA and warioware are both wacky as frick and both succeeded!
Wario's a freak puncher! It's what he does! And always has done!
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The same person who got this article attention also had linked another one where Wario's own creator dislikes how much the character "stays on model" these days and is at his best when people just do whatever with him.
https://www.ndw.jp/wario-interview-220913/ >—— ワリオ作品は、清武さんが監修をされているとお聞きしましたが、その際のこだわりのポイントなどはありますか?
The real answer is because Captain Syrup has never had a 3D model to easily reuse assets from. It's also why you'll never see the other Wario characters either.
It's a real shame since Captain Syrup fits perfectly with the rest of the cast, and her redesign in Shake It blatantly makes her align with the design philosophy of the other Mario woman (especially Pauline).
If you want some quality cope and seethe, remind Ganker that Disney ripped off Atlantis from Nadia. Though Nadia is a rip-off of Castle in the Sky, so there's that.
They both ripped off the same shit: Jules Verne novels and Edgar Cayce's schizo ramblings about Atlantis having magic crystal powered tech.
Nadia just went for more toku and Space Battleship aesthetics while Disney leaned on Harper Goff's 20K designs and Hellboy comics.
>I always skip the low-quality filler arcs, though.
I skipped from 23 to 35, but did watch 30. Not even the same director. Everything else (and the omakes) is stellar.
Only autistic morons mad
Here's a hint: if you feel the impulse to fill out nonexistent categories in character rosters with your own shit, you are a slopeater
>I know it's gonna be just like Doranjo, so don't bother
Is there anything worse than someone who sniffs their own farts so hard that they feel the need to immediately veto ideas before even seeing the pitch? What makes his time so valuable that he would waste the time the team spent on the pitch just to save time for himself?
Because they had just literally been approved for Waluigi to pair up with Wario and now they were like "hey so an evil Peach..." doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out where you're going.
Yeah sounds like it was rejected for not being creative. It's pretty obvious to see how the trio of villain doppelganger baddies would form once you add in the female counterpart, even if Wapeach wouldn't act like Doronjo conceptually the end goal is pretty much the same.
>LMAO WHAT IF IT WAS MARIO....BUT EVIL?? >LMAO WHAT IF IT WAS LUIGI....BUT EVIL?? >new intern starts >ignores his actual responsibility to work on fanfiction >annoy literally everyone in the office till you finally get a meeting with the boss >'i have a cool and original idea! here it is:' >>LMAO WHAT IF IT WAS PEACH....BUT EVIL??
im surprised the moron wasnt killed on the spot
I mean, he's not wrong. That's more or less the only real natual end point an evil Peach can go, outside of some fat tyrant queen or something.
It's probably for the best though, since chances are Wario would've lost any sense of identity he has just to fill that Time Boman comedic trio niche along with Waluigi and Warupeach.
The Wario Equivalent of a princess already exists, it's Princess Shokora from Wario Land 4.
If you have never played it, you should, it's a fricking amazing game.
The Wario Equivalent of a princess already exists, it's Princess Shokora from Wario Land 4.
If you have never played it, you should, it's a fricking amazing game.
Source is a reposting of an old interview from 2008:
https://www.ndw.jp/waluigi-interview-221021/
The particular section in question: >—— OKが出たときの感想はいかがでした? >秀五 うそぉ〜!? 通るんだ!! って(笑)。それで、いいものを作れば任天堂もOKしてくれるんだってわかったので、次の作品でも新キャラを出したいと思ったんですね。「次はワルピーチを作ってみよう」と、またグラフィックリーダーとプロジェクトを立ち上げて、とりあえず描いてみたんですけど、宮本(茂)さんが「見なくても、どうせドロンジョみたいなんでしょ」って思ったらしく、見せる前に終わっちゃいました(笑)。もとの発想が違うから、ドロンジョにはならないんですけどね。…堕天使系なのにって(笑)。
The "rejected before even shown anything" is a recurring story they bring up. From the Camelot website, 2000:
https://web.archive.org/web/20001209080900/http://www.camelot.co.jp/gimon/gimon13.html >「マリオにワリオ、ルイージにワルイージなら、ピーチにはワル○ーチ・・・。」 >一同、○ルピーチのデザインに、想像を膨らませますが、ワリオに似てたり、ワルイージに似てたり・・・。 >「いや、それならもう描いてますよ。」 >「エエッ!」 >女装したワリオのような姿が脳裏を横切ります。ところが・・・。 >「ダメダメ。それは見たくないって、前もって任天堂さんから言われてるよ。かわいくなさそうだからって。」 >鋭い。完全に読まれてる・・・。
The first place the story was heard in the West was in Nintendo Power issue 135, where the magazine published referred to any such character/s as "their girlfriends". Notably, Nintendo Power credits "The 64 Dream magazine" for help with the interview.
The64Dream magazine was a magazine that ran in Japan at the time, but if the interview in any way shape or form appeared in that magazine is not something easily checked: there's no scans online of any issues (presumably it might be in #47 as that's the one Mario Tennis made the cover of).
She's Peach's #2, or she's Luigi's partner when Peach is paired with Mario. That's all she needs to be.
I don't think Miyamoto or anybody really thought Peach necessitated having an evil counterpart. It's why in Super Princess Peach she's just fighting Bowser to rescue Mario and the rest.
They boxed themselves in with that. Wario worked because he had Mario's 'M' upside down, and it Mario/Wario worked with the Japanese character conventions. Luigi/Waluigi worked because it followed Wario's naming convention while also doubling as a pun, since "warui" means "bad" in Japanese, and they use R- in place of L-.
A hypothetical character probably wouldn't be able to maintain the Wa- nmaing convention, nor have a "bad" pun justifying its inclusion.
>I'm not even going to let you pitch anything because I know what you'll say
What if it wasn't Doronjo?
What if one of these people you employ to make your life easier and polish your work had an idea you didn't?
When you say "Wa-peach" I don't even think of Doronjo, I think of a character like Captain Syrup or an evil witch sort of like Ashley.
I think of captain syrup instead of daisy.
She would be a great counterpart.
Rags Vs Riches
Plus greedy much as wario.
Wario wouldn’t work under her but maybe with her.
Miyamoto sounds like he handles meetings like a b***hy old grandpa. >No, don't do the dishes. I know you're not going to do them right anyway, so don't bother. I'll do it later. God. What did I get married for?
I mean, I don't care about whatever autism the Waluigi cucks get up to, but yeah Miyamoto sincerely needs to retire and take anyone with him out the door who will continue his cucked regressive points of view.
>beacuse miyamoto has been killing ideas left and right for years, >saying no to stealing ideas from a 70s anime is killing ideas
Zoomers frick off.
Captain Syrup IS the anti-peach.
The need to use her more. She's the perfect foil for Wario as someone who's just as greedy as him, but a lot more competent and sometimes ally when they need to be. She's like the Fujiko to his Lupin.
>could have had Doronjo Princess hanging with Wario and Waluigi >Wario and Waluigi could have been relevant
based Miyamoto keeping the franchise sterile and stagnant
I’ve come to terms with the fact that we’re never EVER getting a Wario Bros game where Wario and Waluigi go on an adventure to rescue Daisy entirely under the assumption that they’ll get a big cash reward for saving a princess
I don't think Daisy would take kindly to either of them. Wario hired Tatanga to kidnap her in the Mario Land series so realistically they wouldn't see one red cent of her money.
Tatanga only teams up with Wario to get revenge on Mario after his defeat in SML. This is explicitly stated in official material. No official story of the events of SML2 remotely hints at Wario ever hiring Tatanga to play out the events of SML1. It's a massive leap and assumption that's parroted as fact
After the failure of the 3DS and the 3D push in general, they've shoved Miyamoto in the back. He's been put to work on Theme parks and movies to keep him away from the games.
Actually from what little we know of the interview, it appears the claim was after Waluigi, they set out to try Warupeach, but it was immediately shot down with comments like "you're just making Doronjo, aren't you?" regadless of what the design may or may not have been.
It's possible that if Warupeach existed first, we'd live in a world where Waluigi is the rejected character.
>"I know it's gonna be just like Doronjo, so dont' bother"
What? I see nothing but positives about this. But then doesn't Miyamoto hate when any female upstages Peach?
Niche audience + ridiculous amounts of Japanese wordplay and jokes = nobody wants to deal with it
1. Any more "Wa-" would have run the gimmick to the ground, it's good that Waluigi was the end of it, Wapeach or WaDaisy are terrible ideas
2. Literally Captain Syrup is this (without the ugly), she's a complete inversion of Peach (there's a reason why she was Wario's rival), just bring her into mainline Mario
3. This is decades old news, why are people treating this as if it's new
The last point: a Japanese site reposted the old interview and it was finally discovered by someone who spoke English. While it's come up before, this particular interview is the first time the character being like Doronjo in any sense is mentioned.
1. Any more "Wa-" would have run the gimmick to the ground, it's good that Waluigi was the end of it, Wapeach or WaDaisy are terrible ideas
2. Literally Captain Syrup is this (without the ugly), she's a complete inversion of Peach (there's a reason why she was Wario's rival), just bring her into mainline Mario
3. This is decades old news, why are people treating this as if it's new
beacuse miyamoto has been killing ideas left and right for years, they are practically only using toads as npcs and can't even use their own good characters.
>beacuse miyamoto has been killing ideas left and right for years, >saying no to stealing ideas from a 70s anime is killing ideas
Zoomers frick off.
Captain Syrup IS the anti-peach.
This is a based opinion but it's still horrible how underutilized Captain Syrup. When was the last time she has been seen in a game besides Shake It? What a fricking joke. Miyamoto just hates characters that he didn't directly make.
The opening cutscenes of the gamecube sports games are proof enough that Waluigi has a role to play in the mario series, he is far from the most superfluous character.
Agreed. Waluigi shined in those cutscenes and made me appreciate him. He could be fleshed out and have a small game akin to something like SML3, like a test run. But shit, the fact that Wario Land hasn't had a game in years makes me doubt Waluigi even getting his own game anytime soon.
Nintendo could give him a point if they weren't fricking cowards.
Where's my Wario & Waluigi: Partners in Crime game? Where's my mainstream Mario game where Wario and Waluigi are the primary antagonists instead of Bowser?
What can be done? Land is dead, Ware is it's own thing. The only way Syrup could survive is if she migrated to Mario spinoff hell somehow and like that's ever going to happen.
Because you're right. He used the original design of her (because of course Dobson would ape something form Nintendo pre-N64), but his big changes were "hoop earrings and her top is now TWO shirts".
Source is a reposting of an old interview from 2008:
https://www.ndw.jp/waluigi-interview-221021/
The particular section in question: >—— OKが出たときの感想はいかがでした? >秀五 うそぉ〜!? 通るんだ!! って(笑)。それで、いいものを作れば任天堂もOKしてくれるんだってわかったので、次の作品でも新キャラを出したいと思ったんですね。「次はワルピーチを作ってみよう」と、またグラフィックリーダーとプロジェクトを立ち上げて、とりあえず描いてみたんですけど、宮本(茂)さんが「見なくても、どうせドロンジョみたいなんでしょ」って思ったらしく、見せる前に終わっちゃいました(笑)。もとの発想が違うから、ドロンジョにはならないんですけどね。…堕天使系なのにって(笑)。
The "rejected before even shown anything" is a recurring story they bring up. From the Camelot website, 2000:
https://web.archive.org/web/20001209080900/http://www.camelot.co.jp/gimon/gimon13.html >「マリオにワリオ、ルイージにワルイージなら、ピーチにはワル○ーチ・・・。」 >一同、○ルピーチのデザインに、想像を膨らませますが、ワリオに似てたり、ワルイージに似てたり・・・。 >「いや、それならもう描いてますよ。」 >「エエッ!」 >女装したワリオのような姿が脳裏を横切ります。ところが・・・。 >「ダメダメ。それは見たくないって、前もって任天堂さんから言われてるよ。かわいくなさそうだからって。」 >鋭い。完全に読まれてる・・・。
The first place the story was heard in the West was in Nintendo Power issue 135, where the magazine published referred to any such character/s as "their girlfriends". Notably, Nintendo Power credits "The 64 Dream magazine" for help with the interview.
I genuinely cant wait for the creative boom Mario is going to have when Miyamoto dies. It's been stagnant since Sunshine and TTYD.
NSMB is the most bland Mario series
>Wario=Mario with upside down M. Denoting he is his opposite.
Okay this makes sense. >Waluigi=Wario+Luigi. So I guess he is Wario+Luigi.
Doesn't really make sense. Should've been Igiul or something. Whatever >Walupeach=Wario+Luigi+Peach.
This is just absurd. I am glad Miyamoto put his foot down when presented with this madness. She could've been simply named beach.
Now I get it, why do these morons use "Walupeach" when they clearly were going for a "Wa"/warui pun? If they're translating properly it should be Waluipeach.
I know what I'm about, son. Although I will admit that Doronjo always had the worse hair. The over stylization of it is weird compared to proper flowing locks.
Miyamoto was in the right. There was a period where so many Japanese properties were copying Yatterman and adding an evil Peach would've ran the Wa- gimmick into the ground.
You already got three hot princesses, if "Warupeach" is meant to be antithetical like Wario and Waluigi is, why not just make her a fugly fat cretin like Wario is anyway? Could probably make a whole gag around her trying to bang either of the Wah-boys and they're both heartily disgusted by the premise.
Would've been kino if waluigi and wario both orbited her and she used her female dark vagoo magic to manipulate them into doing her bidding. Missed opportunity.
He's not a filler character. My reason? I like him.
Can't unsee Wario bitting breasts
She's made for getting thrown away
What can be done? Land is dead, Ware is it's own thing. The only way Syrup could survive is if she migrated to Mario spinoff hell somehow and like that's ever going to happen.
I have faith that Land is going to return once Warioware becomes less profitable. If she returns somehow, I could definitely see her becoming part of the roster in the spinoff games if she proves popular enough with zoomers.
his reasoning is sound
Waluigi has to be the most pointless Mario character ever. Miyamoto should have cut him off too.
No the two leads having troublemaking rivals makes sense, they did that idea in the first Mario movie with the Scapellis. The most pointless Mario character is fricking Birdo who is only kept around for ugly romance jokes and extra Mario 2 representation.
>The most pointless Mario character is fricking Birdo who is only kept around for ugly romance jokes and extra Mario 2 representation
Trannabe is the one forcing Birdo into all the Mario games. He is a contrarian agent that wants to spread troonyism.
Birdo's been in most Mario spin-offs ever since it was introduced, you fricking goober.
i always thought it was interesting how mario 2 characters got absorbed into everything else, considering how they werent designed for mario.
Bombombs and shyguys are two of the most iconic Mario enemies and they originated from DDP. Think of how different Mario games would be if the SMB2 reskin didn't happen. Things like Bombomb Battlefield in Mario 64 would have never happened.
on jit
>Birdo who is only kept around for ugly romance jokes
This is necessary
Nope. Birdo is from actual mainline Mario games, while Waluigi was always a lame idea and condemned to spinoffs. Waluigi has nothing to offer the series beyond being Wario's Tennis partner.
>Waluigi has nothing to offer the series beyond being Wario's Tennis partner
Waluigi is just evil Luigi, that's a fair enough partner for Wario for anything
>Birdo is from actual mainline Mario games
Birdo was literally only in Mario 2 and its remake and they had no idea what to do with it afterwards. They tried pairing it up with Toad in Wario's Woods, then Yoshi in spin-offs in the 2000's but nobody cared it and now it's just the token troony meme of the Mario series.
>it's just the token troony meme of the Mario series
What is Vivian for $500
A troony who only appeared in one game total, unlike Birdo
That's one more real Mario game than Waluigi has ever been in. That alone gives Birdo more cred.
I've no idea why Wario even bothers coming to main Mario universe, he has a much better cast of characters in his games. At this point they need to find another partner for Waluigi, like that israelite from Demolition Crew.
Wario, DK, and Bowser are all way too cool for that so it's a little more balanced when they're all there together. Luigi's alright.
i only ever really thought he was lame because i didnt get the name pun at the time. if you dont get that it just sounds frickin stoopid
>Birdo is from actual mainline Mario games
She's from Doki Doki Panic, moron.
All the developers of Super Mario Bros. was working on Doki Doki Panic
A game they legally can't release anymore since Fuji TV owns the cartoon Arabs and was essentially adapted from an older "Vertical scrolling platformer" prototype the Mario team made.
>only kept around for ugly romance jokes
Okamas are funny
>extra Mario 2 representation.
The most based classic Super Mario Bros, so that's good
Frick you, Waluigi is my go to in Mario Party.
whats the point of any character? why is mario not just a minesweeper clone?
>whats the point of any character?
To serve a narrative purpose, like dansel-on-distress or villain
He's funny and kino and that's all that matters
Why isn't Warrio called Wamarrio?
Frick you don't diss my boy.
people who like waluigi are peak reddit.
Rosalina exists homosexual
Based. Waluigi has to be the most reddit character of all time.
This post and most of the responses scream samegay
Him and Wario are funny comic relief villains, so seethe you moron. It's saddening that a so-called "spinoff filler character" leaves more of an impact than most Mario characters, hell even Mario and Luigi are shit compared to the Wario Bros. My boy needs a game, or at least a main role in a new Wario Land.
Never ever. Keep begging Reggie for it.
Wario Land will get a new entry that will go back to a Wario Land 3 style of gameplay, but with Wario Land 4 movement. It will also have Waluigi as a playable character, similar to how you could play Luigi after beating the game. It will release soon, and we will not cope.
The opening cutscenes of the gamecube sports games are proof enough that Waluigi has a role to play in the mario series, he is far from the most superfluous character.
Nintendo could give him a point if they weren't fricking cowards.
Where's my Wario & Waluigi: Partners in crime game? Where's my mainstream Mario game where Wario and Waluigi are the primary antagonists instead of Bowser?
This, he only exists as spinoff fodder
They literally said the same thing about Luigi back then
>just a palette swap
>different colored mario
It was only until he got his own game that his character as a whole was fleshed out.
Do the same for Waluigi or include him in a Wario Land game, and you'll fix the problem of these arguments. Simple as.
Waluigi is fun because he gives Wario something to focus his chaotic energy on. They comprise a dramaturgical dyad.
Waruiji can be interpreted as "bad man" (悪いじ) in Japanese.
what's doronjo?
doronjo deez nuts
go away jamal
classic jap kids cartoon, villainness plus laurel and hardy up to no good
It could have been the next Bowsette.
Should have been. Bowsette was fricking stupid and unappealing, at least this would have looked good.
>Bowsette was fricking stupid and unappealing,
wrong
a sexy woman. of course Miyamoto is against it.
>what is Pauline
>what is wanting Peach in 3D World because he found cat girls sexy
>what is Krystal's modern design because Miyamoto wanted Star Fox to have sex appeal
literally the reason why peach is playable in 3d world is because he finds cat girls sexy moron
We were ROBBED
Yes, that's what she's good at doing.
>good at
jessie from team rocket is based off of her
so is Tron Bonne
You are now aware that there have been numerous attempts to make her (or her likeness) a good guy.
The sexy villain from yatterman
Boyacky (left) looks like Waluigi and Tonzura (right) looks like Wario so Miyamoto would be on the money if they made a sexy villainess "Walupeach".
wait what the FRICK is going on here
Average everyday saturday morning cartoon baddies. Invented in the 70s by Tatsunoko Productions, designed by Yoshitaka Amano. Became a cultural icon.
>Yoshitaka Amano
Wait what
Wait until you find out Kunio Okawara designed all the wacky robots for the franchise before he got tasked to make the designs for Gundam.
>he doesn't know Amano worked back in tatsunoko
I like how the logo is cut off just enough so that you can't tell whether it's saying clickhole or cuckhole
Why don't they just use Captain Syrup? Put her with both Wario and Waluigi, and you've got a trio of begruding baddies trying to outdo one another for power.
Funny enough when they did lean on Wario stuff for a game, they just jumped to Wario Land 3 because it was the most recent at the time. For a brief horrible moment in history, Rudy the Clown was almost Wario's new recurring villain.
I think that's Wario's problem. It's too spontaneous, cartoonishly zany and most importantly intentionally grotesque for what Nintendo probably wants to be seen as (Which I'm sure the Irony that the feared leader of the ruddy pirate band was a normal looking woman wasn't lost on the devs either). Shake It was like the first real continuity the series has had since 2 and the even then the designs were toned down a lot from 4. Like for example the obvious marioisms of the plot like a monster king and a princess just skewed by the fact Wario doesn't give a frick about either....and it still failed.
Wario Land series should have continued to be Nintendo's more "mature" Mario platformer equivalent, I mean we have DKC still sorta, why is Wario relegated to minigame hell?
Hot take: it failed BECAUSE it was toned down! Wario land GBA and warioware are both wacky as frick and both succeeded!
Wario's a freak puncher! It's what he does! And always has done!
The same person who got this article attention also had linked another one where Wario's own creator dislikes how much the character "stays on model" these days and is at his best when people just do whatever with him.
https://www.ndw.jp/wario-interview-220913/
>—— ワリオ作品は、清武さんが監修をされているとお聞きしましたが、その際のこだわりのポイントなどはありますか?
>清武 マリオだとこうじゃなきゃいけないという形があるんですけど、ワリオはもっと幅が広いキャラクターでいいと思っているんです。例えば今は2.5頭身ぐらいですけど、頭がとても小さい9頭身のワリオがいても、個人的にはいいと思っています。キャラが成立するかどうかはおいておいて、あまり固めたものよりは広く、絵柄のタッチも含めて変えてくれた方がいいなとは思っていますね。
Trivia from the old interview: Even the name "Wario" was more or less a placeholder, and just one that stayed on to final.
and keep in mind: "these days" was back in 2008!
The real answer is because Captain Syrup has never had a 3D model to easily reuse assets from. It's also why you'll never see the other Wario characters either.
It's a real shame since Captain Syrup fits perfectly with the rest of the cast, and her redesign in Shake It blatantly makes her align with the design philosophy of the other Mario woman (especially Pauline).
yeah I feel like not enough people know about how these 3 are basically responsible for the mere existence of Wario, Waluigi, and Team Rocket
>all these anons who never played TvC
WE WERE FRICKING ROBBED, FRICK MIYAMOTO
>wanting mario secondaries associate the trio villain to wa-OCs
God if there was a Walupeach on the same level as Doronjo my dick would never be the same
Same, shame it never happened, though I get why Shiggy didn't want something that derivative.
Miyamoto is probably the greatest saboteur in the history of video games
Peach already has a Wario counterpart: Daisy
She’s the Luigi of the girls
Well, they could've made Grandis instead oh wait I forgot Gunstar Heroes beat them to it already
Grandis is just Doronjo too.
Nah, she has Blues Brothers as her minions instead of Laurel and Hardy.
>Nah, she has Blues Brothers as her minions instead of Laurel and Hardy.
I don't know shit about anime but this sounds incredible.
And which ones are Wario & Waluigi?
Milky Holmes is... LE DORONJO
Every fricking gag trio on Japanese media from 80's onwards is a copy of the fricking Doronbo, thia is not my opinion is a fact.
isn't this the anime where the fat guy marries the e-girl?
What the frick are you talking about? It was tall guy, and he waited for her to hit puberty.
Nadia might be my favorite original anime series. I always skip the low-quality filler arcs, though.
If you want some quality cope and seethe, remind Ganker that Disney ripped off Atlantis from Nadia. Though Nadia is a rip-off of Castle in the Sky, so there's that.
Great setup for a stealth thread, I'll spring that on them later.
They both ripped off the same shit: Jules Verne novels and Edgar Cayce's schizo ramblings about Atlantis having magic crystal powered tech.
Nadia just went for more toku and Space Battleship aesthetics while Disney leaned on Harper Goff's 20K designs and Hellboy comics.
>I always skip the low-quality filler arcs, though.
I skipped from 23 to 35, but did watch 30. Not even the same director. Everything else (and the omakes) is stellar.
I'll include 30 next time.
I got stuck on the part when they got stuck on the Island and she became an annoying b***h, I should pick it back up
Yeah, that's the part you're supposed to skip, it's outsourced garbage that wasn't part of the series plan.
When does it end?
The filler is 23-35, but watch 30.
That's a pretty funny reason for the veto though. Never noticed Wario and Waluigi are just Tonzura and Boyacky.
Based.
Miyamoto knew that you can't improve on perfection so no need to try.
Only autistic morons mad
Here's a hint: if you feel the impulse to fill out nonexistent categories in character rosters with your own shit, you are a slopeater
Dude, every girl in Mario franchise is pure sex, why wouldn't we want another one?
Why not make a peach clone but evil, stupid, clumsy and witha mustache?
>I know it's gonna be just like Doranjo, so don't bother
Is there anything worse than someone who sniffs their own farts so hard that they feel the need to immediately veto ideas before even seeing the pitch? What makes his time so valuable that he would waste the time the team spent on the pitch just to save time for himself?
I mean, he was right.
Because they had just literally been approved for Waluigi to pair up with Wario and now they were like "hey so an evil Peach..." doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out where you're going.
Yeah sounds like it was rejected for not being creative. It's pretty obvious to see how the trio of villain doppelganger baddies would form once you add in the female counterpart, even if Wapeach wouldn't act like Doronjo conceptually the end goal is pretty much the same.
A trio might have been fun but it also might have denied us all the Wario/Waluigi duo fan art and memes the years have gifted us.
it also had the ability to demote Wario and Waluigi as just forever lackeys, so I'm kinda glad it didn't happen
He's japanese and nips are never wrong because muh honor.
You want smart independent "evil" Girl?
>LMAO WHAT IF IT WAS MARIO....BUT EVIL??
>LMAO WHAT IF IT WAS LUIGI....BUT EVIL??
>new intern starts
>ignores his actual responsibility to work on fanfiction
>annoy literally everyone in the office till you finally get a meeting with the boss
>'i have a cool and original idea! here it is:'
>>LMAO WHAT IF IT WAS PEACH....BUT EVIL??
im surprised the moron wasnt killed on the spot
Rare correct decision from him
>noooo how could he veto a useless coomer character?!?
I mean, he's not wrong. That's more or less the only real natual end point an evil Peach can go, outside of some fat tyrant queen or something.
It's probably for the best though, since chances are Wario would've lost any sense of identity he has just to fill that Time Boman comedic trio niche along with Waluigi and Warupeach.
I thought there was already a Wapeach in a manga from the early 90s
Nah that was a corrupted Daisy (who was now "Waru-Daisy")
UNF
doesnt daisy fill this niche?
"Obnoxious" and "evil" aren't the same thing.
There's no need to give her an evil counterpart. Peach is already a woman
heard someone say Peach
He was right. Evil Peach is fricking lazy and entering autistic OC donut steel territory. Daisy and Waluigi were already bad enough.
Walupeach would just be b***h
"Evil Woman" is a redundancy.
>Verification not required.
they hated her for her tgirl swag
>Walupeach
Isn’t that just Captain Syrup? Camelot should have just used her.
I can't wait for Miyamoto to finally frick off and drop dead, he's been nothing more than a shitstain on everything he's touched for the last 20 years
The Wario Equivalent of a princess already exists, it's Princess Shokora from Wario Land 4.
If you have never played it, you should, it's a fricking amazing game.
Wario's only love interest is money.
Maybe you should play Wario Land 4, her kiss is what makes Wario legit blush.
>not the true form
Lame.
Forgot pic.
Me on the right
CHADrio
Can't unsee Wario bitting breasts
learn the lore
Good. I don't see the point in having loads of "bad" versions of characters.
Source is a reposting of an old interview from 2008:
https://www.ndw.jp/waluigi-interview-221021/
The particular section in question:
>—— OKが出たときの感想はいかがでした?
>秀五 うそぉ〜!? 通るんだ!! って(笑)。それで、いいものを作れば任天堂もOKしてくれるんだってわかったので、次の作品でも新キャラを出したいと思ったんですね。「次はワルピーチを作ってみよう」と、またグラフィックリーダーとプロジェクトを立ち上げて、とりあえず描いてみたんですけど、宮本(茂)さんが「見なくても、どうせドロンジョみたいなんでしょ」って思ったらしく、見せる前に終わっちゃいました(笑)。もとの発想が違うから、ドロンジョにはならないんですけどね。…堕天使系なのにって(笑)。
The "rejected before even shown anything" is a recurring story they bring up. From the Camelot website, 2000:
https://web.archive.org/web/20001209080900/http://www.camelot.co.jp/gimon/gimon13.html
>「マリオにワリオ、ルイージにワルイージなら、ピーチにはワル○ーチ・・・。」
>一同、○ルピーチのデザインに、想像を膨らませますが、ワリオに似てたり、ワルイージに似てたり・・・。
>「いや、それならもう描いてますよ。」
>「エエッ!」
>女装したワリオのような姿が脳裏を横切ります。ところが・・・。
>「ダメダメ。それは見たくないって、前もって任天堂さんから言われてるよ。かわいくなさそうだからって。」
>鋭い。完全に読まれてる・・・。
The first place the story was heard in the West was in Nintendo Power issue 135, where the magazine published referred to any such character/s as "their girlfriends". Notably, Nintendo Power credits "The 64 Dream magazine" for help with the interview.
The64Dream magazine was a magazine that ran in Japan at the time, but if the interview in any way shape or form appeared in that magazine is not something easily checked: there's no scans online of any issues (presumably it might be in #47 as that's the one Mario Tennis made the cover of).
I appreciate the effortpost, anon. Always good to get the deep lore. God bless.
cant wait for miyamoto to die peacefully of old age
It always seemed odd to me that they never considered using Daisy as a sort of 'Walupeach'. I mean, what else can she be used for?
She's the Luigi, we already said so and there's confirmation that they just brought her back because Luigi needed some pussy.
Pretty much. She's Peach's player two, just like how Luigi is Mario's player two.
She's Peach's #2, or she's Luigi's partner when Peach is paired with Mario. That's all she needs to be.
I don't think Miyamoto or anybody really thought Peach necessitated having an evil counterpart. It's why in Super Princess Peach she's just fighting Bowser to rescue Mario and the rest.
Good. Why does every character need a Shadow version?
the girlies
All of them were plumbed.
built for BPC (big plumber wiener)
mushroom tipped
Yeah we could use one. She would start with a D... wait a minute...
She wouldn't start with a D, she'd start with a W.
They boxed themselves in with that. Wario worked because he had Mario's 'M' upside down, and it Mario/Wario worked with the Japanese character conventions. Luigi/Waluigi worked because it followed Wario's naming convention while also doubling as a pun, since "warui" means "bad" in Japanese, and they use R- in place of L-.
A hypothetical character probably wouldn't be able to maintain the Wa- nmaing convention, nor have a "bad" pun justifying its inclusion.
Evil Peach is Weach the Witch. Bam, solved.
Why does Miyamoto hate Doronjo? And DKC? And SMRPG? And Galaxy 1? Why is his taste so shit?
since when did he say he hated galaxy 1? and why not 2?
on the contrary, it seems like he loves doronjo because this vapid peach clone will be "just another doronjo clone"
>Walupeach
That is not how that naming scheme works
Why are "professional" "creatives" the most moronic people on the planet
>Not how the naming scheme works
I mean he's called Waluigi not Gammauigi now is he?
The naming scheme is that Warui means evil in jap, so it's "War-io", "Waru-igi", meaning "Waru-Peach" makes sense.
that's Gamma Luigi to you, Mario
warui=evil
mario>waruimario shortened wa from warui y rio from mario then wario
wario
them
wario would never be anyone's henchman.
appreciate the fat breasts on daisy though
He would for money.
Also power tennis you dumb Black person
miyamoto is massive moron
imagine how good nintendo could have been if he was assassinated instead of iwata
>Wapeach
>Wayoshi
>Wanky Kong
his name was boshi
In Japan it was ワッシー
Well don't mind me while I eat my glue
give us the romaji
Wasshī
I can see why they decided Washy had to be changed
I thought Rex was the opposite of Yoshi
>boshi
princess beach??
>Just like Doronjo
Frick Miyamoto
>I'm not even going to let you pitch anything because I know what you'll say
What if it wasn't Doronjo?
What if one of these people you employ to make your life easier and polish your work had an idea you didn't?
When you say "Wa-peach" I don't even think of Doronjo, I think of a character like Captain Syrup or an evil witch sort of like Ashley.
you're starting to understand why most people think Miyamoto is a homosexual these days
>a character like Captain Syrup or an evil witch sort of like Ashley
Camelot have never made a character as creative as those two.
moron-kun have you ever heard of these games called SHINING FORCE
Waluigi doesn't need to "be" anything because being some butthole Wario hired to act as "his Luigi" is already unique and funny.
>Walupeach
Shouldn't it be beach?
Like Mario and Princess Beach
I think of captain syrup instead of daisy.
She would be a great counterpart.
Rags Vs Riches
Plus greedy much as wario.
Wario wouldn’t work under her but maybe with her.
Miyamoto sounds like he handles meetings like a b***hy old grandpa.
>No, don't do the dishes. I know you're not going to do them right anyway, so don't bother. I'll do it later. God. What did I get married for?
I mean, I don't care about whatever autism the Waluigi cucks get up to, but yeah Miyamoto sincerely needs to retire and take anyone with him out the door who will continue his cucked regressive points of view.
>Everything needs to be prostituted out
Hot take, b***h.
>I know it's gonna be just like Doronjo, so don't bother
Holy fricking based miyamoto.
We already have Captain Syrup
>antagonist instead of love interest
>mastermind instead of damsel
if the character isn't from a main mario game then they never get to show up in unrelated spinoff series for whatever reason
How did it take this long for someone to mention her?
it didn't moron, read the thread
Reminds me more of Pauline
The need to use her more. She's the perfect foil for Wario as someone who's just as greedy as him, but a lot more competent and sometimes ally when they need to be. She's like the Fujiko to his Lupin.
>could have had Doronjo Princess hanging with Wario and Waluigi
>Wario and Waluigi could have been relevant
based Miyamoto keeping the franchise sterile and stagnant
>headcanon
She would be just as irrelevant as Waluigi
I’ve come to terms with the fact that we’re never EVER getting a Wario Bros game where Wario and Waluigi go on an adventure to rescue Daisy entirely under the assumption that they’ll get a big cash reward for saving a princess
I don't think Daisy would take kindly to either of them. Wario hired Tatanga to kidnap her in the Mario Land series so realistically they wouldn't see one red cent of her money.
in my hypothetical scenario she doesn’t give them anything anyway other than a thank you
and then Wario and Waluigi realize they’ve been collecting coins and treasure through out all the levels anyway so it all worked out either way
>Wario hired Tatanga
no he did not. Stop parroting this fanon
>Wario took over Mario Land while Mario was rescuing Daisy
>Tatanga comes back in SML2 as a boss working for Wario
It's not that big a stretch.
Tatanga only teams up with Wario to get revenge on Mario after his defeat in SML. This is explicitly stated in official material. No official story of the events of SML2 remotely hints at Wario ever hiring Tatanga to play out the events of SML1. It's a massive leap and assumption that's parroted as fact
Somebody's gotta kill Miyamoto. He's holding Nintendo back.
After the failure of the 3DS and the 3D push in general, they've shoved Miyamoto in the back. He's been put to work on Theme parks and movies to keep him away from the games.
Why is Miyamoto such a homo?
Miyamoto mandate strikes again
>nintendo fans
excel saga was some good shit
>Doesn't show off the design
It was Doronjo wasn't it
Actually from what little we know of the interview, it appears the claim was after Waluigi, they set out to try Warupeach, but it was immediately shot down with comments like "you're just making Doronjo, aren't you?" regadless of what the design may or may not have been.
It's possible that if Warupeach existed first, we'd live in a world where Waluigi is the rejected character.
Imagine all the possible walu girls.
>"I know it's gonna be just like Doronjo, so dont' bother"
What? I see nothing but positives about this. But then doesn't Miyamoto hate when any female upstages Peach?
I can get where he's coming from, everyone and their brother was making their own trio of Not-Doronjo in the mid 90s to early 2000s.
princess peach is Shiggy's waifu lol. I bet he was reluctant to bring back Pauline
Why would you think that? He directed the game that brought her back in the first place.
already happened
Am I moronic I thought this was talking about a game with both waluigi and peach at first
How is Yatterman still not translated?
Niche audience + ridiculous amounts of Japanese wordplay and jokes = nobody wants to deal with it
The last point: a Japanese site reposted the old interview and it was finally discovered by someone who spoke English. While it's come up before, this particular interview is the first time the character being like Doronjo in any sense is mentioned.
1. Any more "Wa-" would have run the gimmick to the ground, it's good that Waluigi was the end of it, Wapeach or WaDaisy are terrible ideas
2. Literally Captain Syrup is this (without the ugly), she's a complete inversion of Peach (there's a reason why she was Wario's rival), just bring her into mainline Mario
3. This is decades old news, why are people treating this as if it's new
It's not new enough for crunchyshit to license, nor is topical enough for trannies to ruin, and zoomers dont care about anime pre 2015
beacuse miyamoto has been killing ideas left and right for years, they are practically only using toads as npcs and can't even use their own good characters.
>beacuse miyamoto has been killing ideas left and right for years,
>saying no to stealing ideas from a 70s anime is killing ideas
Zoomers frick off.
Captain Syrup IS the anti-peach.
This is a based opinion but it's still horrible how underutilized Captain Syrup. When was the last time she has been seen in a game besides Shake It? What a fricking joke. Miyamoto just hates characters that he didn't directly make.
Agreed. Waluigi shined in those cutscenes and made me appreciate him. He could be fleshed out and have a small game akin to something like SML3, like a test run. But shit, the fact that Wario Land hasn't had a game in years makes me doubt Waluigi even getting his own game anytime soon.
Never ever, my Wario Bro.
What can be done? Land is dead, Ware is it's own thing. The only way Syrup could survive is if she migrated to Mario spinoff hell somehow and like that's ever going to happen.
This looks so much like a Andrew Dobson character
Because you're right. He used the original design of her (because of course Dobson would ape something form Nintendo pre-N64), but his big changes were "hoop earrings and her top is now TWO shirts".
That's not what he said at all, he said that he didn't even want to to see Wario and Waluigi's girlfriends (because they'd be hideous)
I genuinely cant wait for the creative boom Mario is going to have when Miyamoto dies. It's been stagnant since Sunshine and TTYD.
NSMB is the most bland Mario series
have you been in a coma since 2012 or what
The only creative game Mario has been in since 2012 came from Ubisoft
that's enough Ganker for me today
Which new innovative mario games have come out since Galaxy? The NSMB games are just 2.5d Mario-likes
>galaxy
>stagnant
moron
Well, did it not look like Doronjo?
>Wario=Mario with upside down M. Denoting he is his opposite.
Okay this makes sense.
>Waluigi=Wario+Luigi. So I guess he is Wario+Luigi.
Doesn't really make sense. Should've been Igiul or something. Whatever
>Walupeach=Wario+Luigi+Peach.
This is just absurd. I am glad Miyamoto put his foot down when presented with this madness. She could've been simply named beach.
where's the citation of his claims
https://www.ndw.jp/waluigi-interview-221021/
Now I get it, why do these morons use "Walupeach" when they clearly were going for a "Wa"/warui pun? If they're translating properly it should be Waluipeach.
>doronjogays
>what's on your mind
>boobs
I know what I'm about, son. Although I will admit that Doronjo always had the worse hair. The over stylization of it is weird compared to proper flowing locks.
I swear miyamoto is the single biggest homosexual in japan, literally somehow even gayer then nomura.
camelotgays really do like trash donut steel characters
Only good Wapeach/Daisy I've seen made.
Shame he deleted his DA
Their names should be Leach and Laisy.
Those look american designed and terrible
Miyamoto was in the right. There was a period where so many Japanese properties were copying Yatterman and adding an evil Peach would've ran the Wa- gimmick into the ground.
Without Miyamoto, we would already have the Mario equivalent of Velma.
You already got three hot princesses, if "Warupeach" is meant to be antithetical like Wario and Waluigi is, why not just make her a fugly fat cretin like Wario is anyway? Could probably make a whole gag around her trying to bang either of the Wah-boys and they're both heartily disgusted by the premise.
Captain Syrup is Wapeach, but that would require Nintendo to actually use her.
I don’t care about Wapeach, but I need a game with Wadaisy, because I know she’d basically just be a scruffy, bratty, tomboy e-girl.
walumoto and he's korean
Not rarely does he get shit right, but now we know why he shit the bed when bowsette and boosette were a thing
what?
He's a stupid shit but he's not wrong.
>Walupeach
Better name, Beach.
Once he's out the picture Mario games are going to have a crazy second wind
Miyamoto also rejected a sequel to Twilight Princess even though the entire Zelda team was all set to start working on Twilight Princess 2
business wise he was 100% right. Crossbow training was a minuscule asset flip that made bank and sold millions.
I'm mad but you know they would have just spent it jerking ioff to Midna.
he hasn't been doing Mario games since Galaxy, Tanabe
You realize the Mario series became more stale the less Miyamoto was involved, right?
When are Wario and Waluigi going to get a proper game together? If Peach got a fricking game, then they both could get one that isn't just Warioware.
Would've been kino if waluigi and wario both orbited her and she used her female dark vagoo magic to manipulate them into doing her bidding. Missed opportunity.
Waluigi is filler garbage that never should have existed in the first place and Miyamoto is a hack.
He's not a filler character. My reason? I like him.
She's made for getting thrown away
I have faith that Land is going to return once Warioware becomes less profitable. If she returns somehow, I could definitely see her becoming part of the roster in the spinoff games if she proves popular enough with zoomers.
what a fricking hack
>avoid doing the dumb cliche for a 5th time in a row
>hack
Yeah because Mario is so original
>Peach
>Sporty Peach
>Space Peach
>Orginal Peach
They even turned Birdo into a Yoshi clone, and Birdo existed before the modern Yoshi design.
so you agree that doing the 5th cliche in a row would be bad or what
Miyamoto says that like it's a bad thing
>tfw no fat wife with huge gut and breasts
>tfw no skinny wife
>you'll never get to play as them, btfoing waifugays with shitty taste
Its not fair bros
It makes sense, Waluigi doesn't deserve a woman and Wario only cares about money.