This is the big meme answer but honestly I'm kinda hoping they get Robert Pattinson for it
Not only does it have Meme Man Actor Guy potential, but Pattinson's voice work has been legitimately great and I think he'd unironically bring his A game for the role
Hopefully the Mario movie showed the fricking studio execs that people want music from the games and will respond to it more than the same 50 licensed songs that show up in every movie on Earth.
Who cares at this point, Sonic got 2 movies the fans loved even if there was a lot of cringe, and Mario got a weirdly successful movie that didn't really take any risks so there wasn't much worth criticizing.
In fact I doubt they'll be compared because of the time gap between the two.
Hopefully the Mario movie showed the fricking studio execs that people want music from the games and will respond to it more than the same 50 licensed songs that show up in every movie on Earth.
Writer said they're mostly taking from Adventure 2 but with a few elements from his own game. Director fricking loves Shadow so I unironically can see him wanting to set up the Black Arms.
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Johnny Gioli said Sega commissioned him and Jun to make some songs/remixs to present to Paramount so we'll see.
They just need City Escape, Live and Learn, Etc.
Even Movie 2 teased Emerald Hill in a Trailer but they never used it
Sonic's critic score wasn't that much better than Mario. Fans say 2 was better than one and was a better Sonic movie, but most critics preferred 1.
The truth is: there's never going to be a real balance between catering to fans and non-fans. Sonic 3 could be the biggest love letter to Sonic, but critics won't really get Shadow or his storyline.
I trust the director of these movies. He already has a nice conflicting dynamic involving FAMBLY >Sonic 1 - Sonic loses his first family, thinks he's better off alone, but gets a new family to be part of >Sonic 2 - Meets Knuckles, who has a toxic relation with his own father and feels that he has to SERVE his family, not be part of it. Sonic shows Knuckles the real way a family should be >Sonic 3 - Shadow had his only family taken from him, and believes family is a weakness that only holds Sonic back. Also, the throwaway line about Robotnik being an orphan gives his relation with Gerald a new meaning(since the games NEVER even explored it)
As for the Mario movie, its funny how people were expecting it to a meta, self-hating film becuase the directors made Teen Titans Go, but they flat out said they wanted to make the movie a love letter to Mario.
They were already comparing the previous ones. Mario wasn't memorable, Sonic was. Hard to believe mario movie isn't even a year old, feels like it came out a decade ago.
>wait, Mario, you're telling me the sentient, speaking turtles who are bowsers citizens, some of them his own infant children free will, and are only against us because their king is, aren't evil in your world??? >Yeah, they're actually our pets, come over I'll buy you one >maybe I will ;*~~*~~)
I barely remember anything from the Mario movie....but I remember the Super Sonic scene vividly, hell even Sonic and Knuckles beating the shit out of each other in the temple place.
Will the film makers be autistic enough to include the plotline about whether Shadow was a clone of the original Shadow who was sent flying to earth by Maria and was unfound?
That was actually a huge story point all throughout Shadow the Hedgehog. In the true ending final boss, Shadow proclaims that he's the real Shadow for reasons I don't remember, but I think it's still left up in the air as to whether or not that's actually true. Past that point lol I don't know any more Sonic lore.
No anon that was from when Shadow fell in SA2 final battle, The SA2 plotpoint was from when he fell 50 years ago and may not be the same one who is the villain in SA2
Hmm, I don't recall Shadow thinking or saying anything about clones in SA2 (then again, it's poorly translated and I haven't played with the revised subtitles). The closest I can think of is that Shadow says something about Biolizard being his prototype. In SA2's final battle, Shadow says to Sonic something like "Could it be that you (Sonic) are the ultimate life form?" And when he falls to earth he says "Maria... This is what you wanted, right? This is my promise I made to you." That's all I've got for SA2. It's been much longer since I played Shadow the Hedgehog so now you've got me doubting my memory.
It's not even in the game but it is intended info. Check
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However, there was only one miscalculation in this operation: when this operation was carried out, Pr. Gerald had already almost completed the ultimate life form "Shadow" using another base body. When the GUN Special Forces raided the research institute, the fleeing Gerald entrusted it to his granddaughter Maria, and it is confirmed that an escape capsule was ejected toward the surface at that time. (The whereabouts of the capsule at that time are still unknown to this day.)
As a result, Gerald was subsequently captured by Special Forces and imprisoned on Prison Island, where he was eventually forced to continue his research on the ultimate life form, "Shadow," apparently under orders from GUN. Now that Shadow the Hedgehog is no more, there is no way to know whether the Shadow sealed on Prison Island was a replica created by Gerald or the real Shadow that was ejected toward the surface and recovered...
~Excerpt from Rouge's final investigation report on Project Shadow~
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This explains that awkward scene when Rouge questions if he's even him or how Gerald was able to work on him to begin with. Sonic X even added a bit where he says "I AM SHADOW THE HEDGEHOG!" before sacrificing himself, for all we know, OG Shadow died in the crash
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Sonic X also covers that information as well, They just didn't put it in SA2 but when Rouge talks about Shadow not even being real or being a tool created by gerald for revenge, thats what she means
Replay the Dark Story, we got a scene of Rouge saying she went though the Project Shadow file and didn't find a lick of infomration about Shadow himself so who the frick is he?
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Anonymous
I think we both need to revisit SA2's revised fan-translated English dialogue since SA2's translation is very butchered. There could very well be a mistranslation or even missed bits of info. As it stands, if Shadow isn't Gerald's project, yeah wtf is he?
https://gamebanana.com/mods/48846
This mod will do the trick, though subtitle timing is desynced in most cutscenes.
4 months ago
Anonymous
He is Geralds creation but whether he was the same one sent to earth or a copycat made while Gerald was under GUN Supervision to take revenge on the planet was up in the air at the time of SA2.
4 months ago
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People are fixing the cutscenes up now so it's possible that, A.I voices, and Windii's translation's will get us a fixed localization.
God I love how Adventure 2 has an army of autists dedicated to cleaning it up two decades later but Heroes trash isn't worth picking up.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Heroes doesn't really have anything major, it's just metals being a shit go stop him.
SA2 is the one that has major chunks of the story not even being told
4 months ago
Anonymous
In reality, it's because Heroes problems are too fundamental. 90% is the level design which is hard to fix on a mod but I'm surprised I've never seen people saying to just install mods that make the special stages easier or make it so you only need to beat one story and get the emerald's to unlock the final boss.
Nope, same one from SA2. SA2 raised the possibiltity that the playable Shadow was a back-up clone of the original/Soinc was the real Ultimate Life-Form with Shadow being a rushed out hackjob under G.U.N but that was all dropped.
No anon that was from when Shadow fell in SA2 final battle, The SA2 plotpoint was from when he fell 50 years ago and may not be the same one who is the villain in SA2
Oh! Wait— I thought in SA2 Shadow was just asking Sonic if he was the ultimate life form was just some strange compliment. It's possibly Sonic was actually Gerald's creation or some shit? I missed a whole section of plot?
Yes. Director said this about it >He’s a match for Sonic, but like with such a different personality. And not like Knuckles, who is sort of mislead. Shadow is driven by anger and revenge, you know? I almost feel like Sonic, when he encounters Shadow, he’s like: “Well, I’ll just teach him about the power of friendship like with Knuckles, bada bing bada boom,” but that not going to work on Shadow, you know? This is like, Sonic’s never had to deal with someone as emotionally damaged as Shadow but he has with Robotnik.
Writer said they're mostly taking from Adventure 2 but with a few elements from his own game. Director fricking loves Shadow so I unironically can see him wanting to set up the Black Arms.
Hopefully the Mario movie showed the fricking studio execs that people want music from the games and will respond to it more than the same 50 licensed songs that show up in every movie on Earth.
Johnny Gioli said Sega commissioned him and Jun to make some songs/remixs to present to Paramount so we'll see.
>Johnny Gioli said Sega commissioned him and Jun to make some songs/remixs to present to Paramount so we'll see.
What? Wouldn't it break some NDA for him to say that? I also think I would've heard if this happened. Can you source me?
>What? Wouldn't it break some NDA for him to say that? I also think I would've heard if this happened. Can you source me?
He said it on the Crush 40 Discord, Johnny's a big boy so I'm sure he got the okay.
>Johnny Gioli said Sega commissioned him and Jun to make some songs/remixs to present to Paramount so we'll see.
this is the best thing I've heard recently
Jim said he's semi-retired. If he gets a golden script then he'll consider it. There's a reason movie 2 didn't show us a body despite Jim hating doing sequels.
I remember reading that the main issue he had with sequels stemmed from doing Ace Ventura 2 and being bored with doing the exact same shtick as the last film. It feels like the Sonic screenwriters knew about this and planned around it, with Robotnik being characterized quite differently in the progression of his madness and thirst for greater power in each entry.
They can probably get him on board by saying this is when he finally wears a fat suit.
That's not the plotline. The Shadow launched by Maria was always the Shadow in SA2. Heroes introduces the idea that the Shadow Rouge uncovers in Eggman's base is potentially just one of the many Shadow androids Eggman was working on in between games.
Well time to redpill you anon, i don't blame you for not knowing this but this is canonical info added in the Sonic Adventure 2 Perfect Guide.
(Also Sonic X)
During my latest undercover operation, I obtained through the security hole at GUN classified jurisdictional data of the President of the Federal Government at the time, which appeared to be related to Project Shadow. A top-secret letter from thirteen presidents ago to Pr. Gerald requesting research. The letter stated succinctly as follows.
"Begin research on the eternal and ultimate dream of mankind: immortality."
At first, Gerald stubbornly refused the request, claiming that it was beyond human capacity. However, it was Gerald's beloved granddaughter, Maria Robotnik, who (ironically) gave him the opportunity to make this project, which should have ended as mere delirious ramblings from the powers that be, a reality. Maria had been suffering from NIDS (neuro-immunodeficiency syndrome), a disease that even today is considered difficult to treat, and although she continued to receive treatment at the ARK's medical research facility, there was no hope for her recovery. Gerald, frustrated by this, decided to overcome her intractable disease by researching immortal life. The research was conducted in secret even within the ARK, and it is recorded that it was named "Project Shadow" from the irony of creating a shadow (thing that cannot exist in this world).
What everyone at first thought was a far-fetched project was not entirely a pipe dream for Pr. Gerald's genius mind. Based on the research results of the Chaos Emeralds and Chaos Drives, his attempt to apply the boundless energy to life was successful, and the project soon resulted in the completion of a prototype. Focusing on its self-healing ability, the "ultimate life form prototype," which was created using a lizard as its base body, showed signs of amazing growth, self-healing, and self-propagation, much to the delight of researchers.
However, their joy was short-lived, as the prototype's capabilities soon exceeded their expectations to such an extent that they began to have trouble controlling it, and even within the research community, there began to be doubts about the continuation, significance, and safety of the research. Perhaps it was an insider who saw the prototype run amok who first leaked information about the project to GUN, but the truth is not clear. However, the danger of the project was somehow brought to GUN's attention, and GUN's top brass, which at the time was hostile to the uniqueness of the ARK research institute, took this as an opportunity to plan the closure of the ARK itself. This was an unofficial operation called "Operation ARK Shutdown."
A biohazard suddenly broke out at the ARK research facility, and all colony residents were to be rescued from the disaster, and the colony was to be sealed off. This was the ostensible objective of the operation. The real objective, of course, was to shut down the ARK research facility, erase Project Shadow, and hold Pr. Gerald responsible for the disaster. The operation was carried out on a scale never seen since the founding of GUN, and within seven days of the start of the operation, all ARK residents were moved to the surface, all ARK facilities were frozen by GUN, and all Project Shadow personnel except Pr. Gerald were declared victims of this disaster. The operation was completed with the sealing of the "ultimate life form prototype" found in the deepest part of the colony.
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However, their joy was short-lived, as the prototype's capabilities soon exceeded their expectations to such an extent that they began to have trouble controlling it, and even within the research community, there began to be doubts about the continuation, significance, and safety of the research. Perhaps it was an insider who saw the prototype run amok who first leaked information about the project to GUN, but the truth is not clear. However, the danger of the project was somehow brought to GUN's attention, and GUN's top brass, which at the time was hostile to the uniqueness of the ARK research institute, took this as an opportunity to plan the closure of the ARK itself. This was an unofficial operation called "Operation ARK Shutdown."
A biohazard suddenly broke out at the ARK research facility, and all colony residents were to be rescued from the disaster, and the colony was to be sealed off. This was the ostensible objective of the operation. The real objective, of course, was to shut down the ARK research facility, erase Project Shadow, and hold Pr. Gerald responsible for the disaster. The operation was carried out on a scale never seen since the founding of GUN, and within seven days of the start of the operation, all ARK residents were moved to the surface, all ARK facilities were frozen by GUN, and all Project Shadow personnel except Pr. Gerald were declared victims of this disaster. The operation was completed with the sealing of the "ultimate life form prototype" found in the deepest part of the colony.
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However, there was only one miscalculation in this operation: when this operation was carried out, Pr. Gerald had already almost completed the ultimate life form "Shadow" using another base body. When the GUN Special Forces raided the research institute, the fleeing Gerald entrusted it to his granddaughter Maria, and it is confirmed that an escape capsule was ejected toward the surface at that time. (The whereabouts of the capsule at that time are still unknown to this day.)
As a result, Gerald was subsequently captured by Special Forces and imprisoned on Prison Island, where he was eventually forced to continue his research on the ultimate life form, "Shadow," apparently under orders from GUN. Now that Shadow the Hedgehog is no more, there is no way to know whether the Shadow sealed on Prison Island was a replica created by Gerald or the real Shadow that was ejected toward the surface and recovered...
~Excerpt from Rouge's final investigation report on Project Shadow~
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This explains that awkward scene when Rouge questions if he's even him or how Gerald was able to work on him to begin with. Sonic X even added a bit where he says "I AM SHADOW THE HEDGEHOG!" before sacrificing himself, for all we know, OG Shadow died in the crash
I mean Sonic has a brief moment of dwelling on Maria's name implying he was the OG while Shadow was a hastily made knock-off but all this shit has been dropped. Shadow is the one and only ultimate life form and Sega has banned Sonic from having a back story.
Yeah i mean nowadays it's not happening, i get that. Still it's fascinating to think that at one point they went this fricking crazy with the story to imply that sonic was the OG lifeform
Yeah, duh. That was after SA2. Originally it’s very heavily implied Sonic was the Ultimate Lifeform that Maria saved and Shadow was just a replica for revenge.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>it’s very heavily implied Sonic was the Ultimate Lifeform that Maria saved and Shadow was just a replica for revenge.
I wouldn't go that far. That's mainly just for Sonic X The Shadow Maria saved burned up in the atmosphere
4 months ago
Anonymous
I’m not so sure about it just being X. Maybe I’m misremembering I recall hints of it in Sonic’s behaviour towards the end of the game. There’s also Shadow declaring Sonic to be the true Ultimate Lifeform if you take too long, which can both be Shadow acknowledging Sonic and also a nod to him being the original.
There’s also just the general weirdness of Sonic and Shadow being identical in-universe. Yeah people theorise it’s from Gerald copying a mural but that wouldn’t get anywhere as fricking close as near-identical twins.
4 months ago
Anonymous
There's hints like Rouge's mission from the president in SA2 being to investigate Project Shadow and seeing if Shadow is the true ultimate life form and when digging through the files, she finds no reference to Shadow himself, only the Bio-Lizard, as if Shadow wasn't made on the ARK. Granted considering she dug enough to find the Lizard, it's easy to headcanon that Gerald initiated a system purge starting with the final results when the raid hit but G.U.N cancelled the purge ASAP.
I remember reading that the main issue he had with sequels stemmed from doing Ace Ventura 2 and being bored with doing the exact same shtick as the last film. It feels like the Sonic screenwriters knew about this and planned around it, with Robotnik being characterized quite differently in the progression of his madness and thirst for greater power in each entry.
They can probably get him on board by saying this is when he finally wears a fat suit.
Yup, he said in movie 1 interviews that he agreed to a sequel because he was promised significant character evolution.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>There’s also Shadow declaring Sonic to be the true Ultimate Lifeform if you take too long >There’s also just the general weirdness of Sonic and Shadow being identical in-universe.
That doesn't imply that sonic was made in a lab. Even without getting into Shadows game, Things like Sonic being described as a god in s3&k, and the theme of sa2 being Natural vs Artificial, have me believe that sonic IS an ultimate life form, but one that just came to be
Shadow and Sonic are near identical because Gerald was just smart enough to engineer godlike perfection, and godlike perfection looks like Sonic the Hedgehog
I thought I read something about the true shadow burning up in the atmosphere, but i cant find it. It probably was left intentionally vague as to Whether or not sonic was made in a lab
Sonic uses chaos control with the fake emerald
Because hes a fricking chad
4 months ago
Anonymous
He recently destroyed a planet buster, i'm pretty sure Sonic is the definition of a natural ultimate life lifeform
4 months ago
Anonymous
Sega has literally banned Sonic from having a backstory so I doubt they have anything internally. Wiether he was made in a lab, just happened to be born with the perfect genes, or is an avatar of a primordial God that simply appeared one day, we don't know and never will. Sonic doesn't give a shit how many prophecies call him a legendary being, he just sees himself as some guy who fricks with Eggman for fun.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Who says Gerald made the original Ultimate Lifeform in the first place? Isn’t it possible the original WAS natural and was simply being raised and experimented with on the ARK to cure Maria?
4 months ago
Anonymous
Considering Gerald died before Sonic was born, no.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Go back up the chain of posts and get the context.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Sonic uses chaos control with the fake emerald
4 months ago
Anonymous
Eh, that's a bad way to go, and they were right not to commit to it.
Sonic is supposed to have a soft naturalist theme, with Sonic protecting nature from Eggman's oppressive industrialization. It makes more sense for Sonic to just so happen to be the real "ultimate lifeform" attuned to chaos energy from simple evolution, juxtaposed with Shadow being an artificial being engineered to emulate what an "ultimate lifeform" might be.
4 months ago
Anonymous
4 months ago
Anonymous
OOOON THE SOOONIC RIIDIN MY BIIIKE
4 months ago
Anonymous
How can Shadow be the replica when he was created 35 years before Sonic existed?
Same way he had the fake memories of Maria asking him to kill humanity.
5 months ago
Anonymous
He didn't have fake memories, they were just fragments he misinterpreted. All the pieces he remembers before Radical Highway are things she actually said but he got the context wrong.
5 months ago
Anonymous
No, the game was very clear that Gerald was fricking with his brain in ways he wasn't supposed to and that's why G.U.N pulled him from working on him in prison and killed him.
4 months ago
Anonymous
blocking out specific memories != implanting false memories
it's just a false interpretation of an incomplete memory
It's not even in the game but it is intended info. Check[...].
Sonic X also covers that information as well, They just didn't put it in SA2 but when Rouge talks about Shadow not even being real or being a tool created by gerald for revenge, thats what she means
>Amy is the third Ultimate Life Form in the old canon that was dropped later
Mother of God.
In the Archie comic there was a character named Jun Kun, the Ox King, who was super-strong and invulnerable and absolutely wrecked everyone who tried fighting him hand-to-hand. Amy would consistently body him with her hammer every time they fight.
4 months ago
Anonymous
I know they're not canon but the old Archie Sonic comics were a lot of fun. Schlocky and hilarious at worst, hardly ever boring. There's always a weird fricking surprise whether it's in the writing or the art, especially in the middle-later years. I would certainly not have minded a few key things from it ending up in canon. As it is now I can't really care about Sonic lore because Sonic Team didn't care if either (or at least their new writers and directors don't).
I'm not a big fan of the IDW comics because they don't feel weird enough. My favorite media is all 4/10 – 7/10 stuff where the creator put their whole weird-ass vision into it. Having serious flaws makes media stick with you longer, unless it's a genuine 10/10 masterpiece which very few things ever are. A 9/10 piece of media playing it safe & cynical feels like I'm consuming nothing at all.
However, their joy was short-lived, as the prototype's capabilities soon exceeded their expectations to such an extent that they began to have trouble controlling it, and even within the research community, there began to be doubts about the continuation, significance, and safety of the research. Perhaps it was an insider who saw the prototype run amok who first leaked information about the project to GUN, but the truth is not clear. However, the danger of the project was somehow brought to GUN's attention, and GUN's top brass, which at the time was hostile to the uniqueness of the ARK research institute, took this as an opportunity to plan the closure of the ARK itself. This was an unofficial operation called "Operation ARK Shutdown."
A biohazard suddenly broke out at the ARK research facility, and all colony residents were to be rescued from the disaster, and the colony was to be sealed off. This was the ostensible objective of the operation. The real objective, of course, was to shut down the ARK research facility, erase Project Shadow, and hold Pr. Gerald responsible for the disaster. The operation was carried out on a scale never seen since the founding of GUN, and within seven days of the start of the operation, all ARK residents were moved to the surface, all ARK facilities were frozen by GUN, and all Project Shadow personnel except Pr. Gerald were declared victims of this disaster. The operation was completed with the sealing of the "ultimate life form prototype" found in the deepest part of the colony.
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However, there was only one miscalculation in this operation: when this operation was carried out, Pr. Gerald had already almost completed the ultimate life form "Shadow" using another base body. When the GUN Special Forces raided the research institute, the fleeing Gerald entrusted it to his granddaughter Maria, and it is confirmed that an escape capsule was ejected toward the surface at that time. (The whereabouts of the capsule at that time are still unknown to this day.)
As a result, Gerald was subsequently captured by Special Forces and imprisoned on Prison Island, where he was eventually forced to continue his research on the ultimate life form, "Shadow," apparently under orders from GUN. Now that Shadow the Hedgehog is no more, there is no way to know whether the Shadow sealed on Prison Island was a replica created by Gerald or the real Shadow that was ejected toward the surface and recovered...
~Excerpt from Rouge's final investigation report on Project Shadow~
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This explains that awkward scene when Rouge questions if he's even him or how Gerald was able to work on him to begin with. Sonic X even added a bit where he says "I AM SHADOW THE HEDGEHOG!" before sacrificing himself, for all we know, OG Shadow died in the crash
>Sonic Adventure 2 Perfect Guide.
was this written by sonic team
That's the kind of shit where you're overthrinking it like the post I saw once claiming Sonic is stronger then Shadow because Shadow was panting harder after their first fight.
I always interpreted it as Shadow's memories being fake and implanted onto him by Gerald to be sure he'd destroy the world.
Regardless they dropped all of that with Shadow The Hedgehog
>Regardless they dropped all of that with Shadow The Hedgehog
Let me break it down for you
>SOUL era
Sonic Adventure 2 >Introduce character >Market him as a big new villain >Game comes out and character is given context and is revealed to actually just be misguided and angry, not evil >Character (that was meant to be a one-off) completes his arc, redeems himself, and dies
Sonic Heroes >OOPS turns out we made the most popular character our company owns aside from our literal mascot >Revive him >Spend all game explaining how and why he survived >Give character friends and a new purpose in life so character has more room to grow
>EDGE era
>Be SEGA >Make dogshit decisions >Listen to fans that want Sonic to have a gun
Shadow the Hedgehog >Get rid of the writer responsible for making the character beloved (Shiro Maekawa) >Replace him with soulless company man Takashi Iizuka >Chase trends of the day >End up with the first truly horrible Sonic game
This is the point of no return
>Character becomes associated with company's downfall >Chimpanzees like Arin Hanson and countless others place blame on character >Iizuka becomes more involved in company and thus more projects turn to rushed garbage
Sonic 06 >Character is actually portrayed surprisingly well >Probably on accident >Character gets to drive the plot forward and actually behave similarly to how he behaved in the SOUL Era >The game was Sonic 06 so literally none of that matters
>Shelf character >Time passes >People that loved character originally start becoming more vocal compared to non fans like Arin Hanson >Be SEGA >Make dogshit decisions >Associate character with downfall of the franchise >Too scared to bring him back in any meaningful capacity >When character is allowed to appear, they must be written with strict mandates in effect >No character development allowed for ANY characters, let alone the one that "ruined" the franchise
Iizuka wasn't a random soulless company man at all. He did level design for S3&K, SA1, SA2 and Heroes (being in practice the only one working on Heroes' levels because the other guy was always on sick leave), and directed SA1, SA2 and Heroes. Him writing Shadow's game was indeed his first role as writer, but still.
Shadow was well written in 06 because Maekawa wrote the game's story.
It makes me sad because Shadow's original story is a tale of him overcoming trauma from violently losing his only friend and family, and then learning to find a new purpose in life by using his powers to help humanity.
He goes on a journey that evolves him as a character, that gets tossed out to him being "HEH, I'M THE COOLEST!!!!!!"
Knuckles goes through a similar arc from Sonic 3, Sonic Adventures 1 and 2, culminating in Sonic Heroes.
He goes from being an easily manipulated loner who genuinely believes that he can only rely on his own strength to do the one thing he was born to do: protect the master emerald. Then he goes to realizing he can rely on his friends to help him.
Which then gets tossed out to him being the series' class moron.
>Sonic movie promoting WMBF couple >Mario movie promoting feminist Peach
Holowood has found the next capeshit. Prepare to watch all your favorite video game franchises be turned into propaganda machines.
>the english version is sterilized for children
Uh... Sonic X's nip version is more or less the same SA2's in either language. The gunshot is absent from SA2 though.
>movie opens the same as the Hero Side in SA2 >but it plays some random pop song instead of Escape from the City or they play some of the generic Sonic X action music as the reference instead
>play some of the generic Sonic X action music
If it was the dub music, I'd be pissed. If it was the Japanese OST, I'd be pleasantly surprised like when Sonic meets Shadow.
If they actually put City Escape into that movie I think there will be an actual non-zero death toll from Zillennials freaking the living frick out in the theater.
>we've left the era of Ganker adaptation movies too far from the original source material >and we're moving to Ganker and Ganker adaptation movies too close to the source material
We trade one villain for another.
I mean 95% of Sonic stories revolve around Sonic to the point they can't possibly output as much shit as the MCU so quantity should stay down. Movie 2 had to combine game 2 & 3 together because you can't make a movie out of "Sonic 1's plot again but Tails is also here".
I was baffled by people saying they should've held off on Knuckles until the third movie.
Black person, how many Sonic movies do you think are going to be made here? We would've ended at 1 if execs got to keep their mandated freak sonic design.
>mfw watching the mario movie and seeing the sonic movies get btfo every step of the way
Movie 3 BETTER step it the frick up. I enjoyed movie 2 but it really has next to nothing to do with sonic
It wasn't CINEMA or anything but it had 9 times more shit from the games than both sonic movies combined, and in the end thats all I want
Really? I felt that way about the first movie but I thought the second one felt enough like Sonic.
Movie 2 is a definite improvement, tails, knuckles and eggman are more or less in character, But theres still no music from the games, barley any game locations, and Sonics character is still wildly inaccurate. Although i don't know how you would fix that last one at this point
This sounds really stupid but i would honestly include the humans (at least his dad) in the film and i know the perfect way to do it Toms dad is the one who shot Maria, Shadow goes apeshit and tries to kill Sonics dad
>Sonics character is still wildly inaccurate. Although i don't know how you would fix that last one at this point
You build it up across the movies. Game Sonic is personality locked, his character's job is to change others like how he tempered Shadow's ego by being his match.
Tom and Stone fist fight on the space colony will be cool.
Donut Lord is gonna be a dead ringer for his grandpa that shot Maria.
I was baffled by people saying they should've held off on Knuckles until the third movie.
Black person, how many Sonic movies do you think are going to be made here? We would've ended at 1 if execs got to keep their mandated freak sonic design.
Classic style games are too insubstantial plot wise to carry a movie individually. Amy appearing in this movie is a given so maybe Metal will be thrown in as well to get CD out of the way.
>You build it up across the movies. Game Sonic is personality locked, his character's job is to change others like how he tempered Shadow's ego by being his match.
I agree. My issue is that movie sonic's personality is just less interesting than game sonic's. I don't know why Hollywood loves "rebuilding" characters instead of just giving us the character
On a semi-related note what the frick was that dance off scene? that was lame even for movie sonic
While the shadow posting good, thoughts on Shadow reloaded(STH Mod that reworks the game)?
Imagine this
https://twitter.com/ZoneHeadT/status/1521899061481070594?s=20
>barely any game locations
That Temple they were in is clearly based on Labyrinth Zone, there’s even a scene where Sonic nearly drowns and finds a big bubble to get air, sounds like you need to rewatch the movie sir.
>That Temple they were in is clearly based on Labyrinth Zone, there’s even a scene where Sonic nearly drowns and finds a big bubble to get air,
Yeah, its just that, and mushroom hill for 4 seconds at the start of the movie. I want MORE!
>But theres still no music from the games
They'd need to get the individual licenses from Sega or Crush 40 and no way in hell were thry doing that for the first film, they had literally zero faith in it until Fowler and his team were brought on. The 2nd film had more leeway, but they still didn't want to take the risk of acquiring all the song licenses (because excessive licensing already killed ANOTHER Sonic continuity).
It's like how the Monsterverse only barely uses most of Godzilla's rogues gallery and instead made new Titans - they'd need go pay for every individual license and Toho would charge them astronomical sums for each of them.
>barley any game locations
Labyrinth Zone is literally featured in 2.
>and Sonics character is still wildly inaccurate.
You mean like every continuity's Sonic? Because if you're complaining about him not acting like Game Sonic, then no other Sonic does. Game Sonic doesn't work outside of the games because he's a static cardboard cut-out who hasn't been able to properly emote for decades and wasn't allowed to express himself again until Frontiers came out.
>They'd need to get the individual licenses from Sega or Crush 40
Thats completely fair, but its still a mark on the film
>Labyrinth Zone is literally featured in 2
Thats not ENOUGH. I want MORE of that instead of it taking place in Montana or wherever the frick
> if you're complaining about him not acting like Game Sonic, then no other Sonic does.
Yes but other sonic's have more in common with sonic's core. Movie Sonic is true sonic's direct antithesis
>I would rather the sonic movie be safe "I CLAPPED WHEN I RECOGNIZED IT" than the generic snooze-fest it is now
And it would fricking bomb and you'd never get another film again. You can only have your fricking notion of multiple Sonic films because Fowler and the rest of his team understand that nobody gives a shit about Sonic's poorly built world outside of diehard Sonic autists. A full Sonic film in the style of the Mario movie with the environments and references galore not only wouldn't take like the Mario movie did, it would probably bankrupt whoever tried it. You'd need an Avatar tier budget to even do it convincingly and nobody will approve that for fricking Sonic of all things.
Would rather one movie like that then three movies of mediocrity
[...]
That and,Game Sonic's world does not work and can never work in a film. Even ignoring the budgetary constraints that would occur trying to put even half the locations in the games into the films, there is no actual world or background they can develop for the setting that would in any way entice people. Opening with Sonic fighting Eggman and nothing else would lead to an empty theater and reviews bombing the shit out of the movie - people would not care. And trying to do even bare minimum set-up would piss off game autists. Sega hasn't provided shit to even give people a baseline to work off of if you want a 1:1 recreation of the games and what little they have given is either completely contradictory and lacks internal consistency or gets retconned whenever some bored senior executive decides to change it.
Sonic as a film can literally only work in the Sonic X format of them being stranded on Earth, with the introduction of game elements being gradual over time. Trying to dive headfirst into the wider Sonic stuff will always fail because there is no hook to entice people and we are well past the era where Sonic media had enough good will to coast-by on simple word of mouth alone.
That and,Game Mario's world does not work and can never work in a film. Even ignoring the budgetary constraints that would occur trying to put even half the locations in the games into the films, there is no actual world or background they can develop for the setting that would in any way entice people. Opening with Mario fighting Bowser and nothing else would lead to an empty theater and reviews bombing the shit out of the movie - people would not care. And trying to do even bare minimum set-up would piss off game autists. Nintendo hasn't provided shit to even give people a baseline to work off of if you want a 1:1 recreation of the games and what little they have given is either completely contradictory and lacks internal consistency or gets retconned whenever some bored senior executive decides to change it.
>Thats completely fair, but its still a mark on the film
No, not really. Nobody sane disses the Monsterverse films for not getting EVERY Toho kaiju, because there wouldn't be a film if thry had to pay millions upon millions of dollars for every license. It's not a "mark on the film", it's a mark on shitty companies extorting people by charging for each individual license.
>Thats not ENOUGH. I want MORE of that instead of it taking place in Montana or wherever the frick
And you'll get it. But you certainly aren't getting them in the first fricking film. The fact thry even used Labryinth Zone in the first means they're already doing what you're asking.
>Yes but other sonic's have more in common with sonic's core.
No thry fricking don't, and you'd know this if you interacted with any of the Sonic media outside of the games. To elaborate:
>Manga Sonic/Nicky
Literally a normal preteen child living his life, whose future self timetravels and replaces him when he needs to save the day. We have little idea what Manga Sonic's grown personality is like, but Nicky acts NOTHING like Gamenic. At all.
>Archie Sonic
Adventurous, but has a family and yearns for a normal life where he isn't wasting his entire life on a constant war. He is also completely loyal to the Kingdom of Acorn and its royal family, actually deferring to their authority on most matters which is completely the opposite of Game Sonic's personality.
>Fleetway
Not only is he a perpetually stone-faced dour bastard, but he is the only Sonic who takes his duty as a hero 200% seriously - his duties and responsibilities as Mobius' protector comes above all else, which again, goes against Game Sonic being a freedom loving hero. Also has deep regret and resentment over turning his best friend into Robotnik.
>IDW Sonic
Is a literal sociopath and the end result of turning Gamenic's freedom philosophy up to 11.
>Prime Sonic
Is a himbo who makes Boom Knuckles look like the smartest character ever.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Nobody sane disses the Monsterverse films for not getting EVERY Toho kaiju... It's not a "mark on the film", it's a mark on shitty companies extorting people by charging for each individual license.
This isn't the same as having shoving in more characters. I can handle a drip-feed of characters as long as it means they all get time to shine (not to the sonic movies extent though). Its a mark because its an adaption that lacks one of the things that made the original great. It doesn't help that the music that's in the movie is lame. its a mark on shitty companies extorting people by charging for each individual license, BECAUSE it hurts the film.
>But you certainly aren't getting them in the first fricking film
The films should have simply had better setups that allow for more game locations
>Manga Sonic/Nicky
Nicky is a different character than sonic. Manga Sonic is damn near 1 to 1 with game sonic
>Archie Sonic
Even with him saying shit like he wishes Robotnik came back to life so he could do more, hes definitely the farthest from Game sonic's core. Hes more an adaptation of Satam sonic than anything. but he still has more in common with game sonic, even if that's only because hes had a longer runtime to showcase it
>Fleetway
Hes still puts action above finding a family. He has game Sonic's short temper and he still has the "Get it done now" Attitude that was Sonic's inspiration.
>IDW Sonic
You said it yourself, hes the end of turning Gamenic's freedom philosophy up to 11. He has something in common with game sonic even if hes written like shit
>Prime Sonic
The only one who has less in common frick this Black person
Desu, If they make movie sonic take after Tom, that would be a surprising improvement.
>That and,Game Mario's world does not work and can never work in a film.
Disgusting false equivalence. Mario scored an animation studio whose claim to film is that thry do remarkably well at animating environments, characters, and worlds with tacked on cookie-cutter plots which is Illumination's bread and butter. Not only would their dpecific style run into problems with a Sonic film (namely, nonsense like "not being 'shonen' enough" or some such), but it would please nobody - the average person can find a dime-a-dozen movies with similar or better animation and diehard Sonic autists wouldn't tolerate anything below Night of the Werehog tier animation for a film. That, and the Mario series already has more developed character identities for most of its supporting cast and more consistent lore than Sonic ever has because that stuff was allowed for them, unlike Sonic - it's the bare minimum, but it's better than literally nothing. The Mario movie's success literally comes down to having more global brand appeal than Sonic does, and certainly doesn't come from the myriad references that nobody but Nintendo fans will get or being more "game accurate".
What you are asking of Sonic - a total recreation of the games - isn't at all possible in a film medium. In a long-form animated series with little to no restrictions? Maybe. But not a film.
Yeah, I get why the movie ended up like that. Doesn't mean I have to like it. I don't want a total recreation, I just want an adaptation with more reverence for the source
The pg-13 sony version would have been better
4 months ago
Anonymous
>The films should have simply had better setups that allow for more game locations
Which we will probably get later on and HAVE gotten in the films already, with Labryinth Zone.
>Nicky is a different character than sonic. Manga Sonic is damn near 1 to 1 with game sonic
Nope. They're explicitly the same person - Sonic is Nicky's 16 year old self from the future.
>Even with him saying shit like he wishes Robotnik came back to life so he could do more, hes definitely the farthest from Game sonic's core. Hes more an adaptation of Satam sonic than anything. but he still has more in common with game sonic, even if that's only because hes had a longer runtime to showcase it
The only thing Archie shares with Game Sonic is a love of adventure, but that's it.
>Hes still puts action above finding a family. He has game Sonic's short temper and he still has the "Get it done now" Attitude that was Sonic's inspiration.
Gamenic has never had a serious temper outside of Unleashed. Not even in Frontiers, where it would be logical for him to get pissed off. And you're acting like Game Sonic "not caring about a family" is a defining trait - it isn't. It's also wrong because he still views Tails as his little brother. He just isn't the sort of guy who cares about having parents or a consistent place to live.
>You said it yourself, hes the end of turning Gamenic's freedom philosophy up to 11. He has something in common with game sonic even if hes written like shit
Yes, and that's his one trait. Not even Game Sonic fellates the freedom thing so hard and he'd be disgusted at IDWnic essentially turning into a sociopath because of it. What defines Game Sonic is a rejection of authority and his love of adventure, which the freedom stuff only partially ties into.
I'll also mention that Boom Sonic and AOSTH Sonic are other examples. Boom especially, given he's a lazy dumbass who doesn't really care about adventure outside of goofing off.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Which we will probably get later on and HAVE gotten in the films already, with Labryinth Zone.
Even if you HAD to stick with the generic Hollywood formula, they could have struck a better balance.
>Nope. They're explicitly the same person -
There written as if they are different characters. when Sonic appears he does not share any of Nicky's traits
>The only thing Archie shares with Game Sonic is a love of adventure, but that's it.
The fact that there are times when Archie has been a renegade put him more in line with gamenic
>Gamenic has never had a serious temper outside of Unleashed. Not even in Frontiers
His idle animation and stern look in the classic games?
Adventure? Adventure 2? Black Knight?
Granted, this is something that has been phased out a bit over time, with the only modern instance of it i can think of being when he kicked the conch in lost world, but it was still a part of his character.
>And you're acting like Game Sonic "not caring about a family" is a defining trait - it isn't
One of the few things we know about his past is that he ran away from home.
>It's also wrong because he still views Tails as his little brother.
And even then, months pass without them seeing each other
>Yes, and that's his one trait.
Yeah. IDWnic has more in common with Gamenic because of that and the fact that he doesn't wanna be employed by the restoration
[...] >Desu, If they make movie sonic take after Tom, that would be a surprising improvement.
They're already doing this, with him taking Tom's lesson to heart in the second film and said film's ending. I'd advise that you rewatch the film.
>Doesn't mean I have to like it.
No, but it also makes almost all of the complaints baseless unless you have a viable way to actually adapt the games into a film.
>The pg-13 sony version would have been better
It really fricking would not have.
>They're already doing this, with him taking Tom's lesson to heart in the second film and said film's ending.
They also Implied that Eggman would be fat in the ending of film 1
>The complaints baseless unless you have a viable way to actually adapt the games into a film.
Make the road trip of film 1 include more game locations via warp ring shenanigans. Make Eggmans machines more recognizable. Done.
>It really fricking would not have.
Granted, all I know about the pitch was that it was pg-13, but it being more edgy would align itself more with the franchisees appeal
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Even if you HAD to stick with the generic Hollywood formula, they could have struck a better balance.
No, not really. The primary setting is Earth and if you started throwing in all of the Sonic wackiness like mobius strips, literal floating islands, mushrooms as whole biomes, etc then the film would have been torn apart by critics and normalgays. You need to slowly introduce that ahit over time.
>There written as if they are different characters. when Sonic appears he does not share any of Nicky's traits
Yes, because Nicky is a little kid and his future self is 16. Moat people are very different from, their kid years into their teens.
>The fact that there are times when Archie has been a renegade put him more in line with gamenic
No, because even then, Archie Sonic was still doing it for the sake of the kingdom or some higher authority. Game Sonic wouldn't care either way and would just do it because it's the right thing to do.
>His idle animation and stern look in the classic games?
I don't really equate that with having a serious temper. Game Sonic is not an active butthole to people around him like Fleetway is.
And if we're really counting those, then we'd have to count Movie Sonic/Wachowski being the only Sonic to ever be willing to flat out murder his Eggman in cold blood if given the opportunity.
>One of the few things we know about his past is that he ran away from home.
We know he was born on Christmas Island but that's it. And for all we know, Sega changed that.
>And even then, months pass without them seeing each other
It still counts because he's usually around Tails in some way or some form and they still see themselves as brothers. He'll also crash in Tails' home whenever he has the time - he just doesn't live there full time.
>Yeah. IDWnic has more in common with Gamenic because of that and the fact that he doesn't wanna be employed by the restoration
He barely has anything in common with Game Sonic outside of that.
4 months ago
Anonymous
> then the film would have been torn apart by critics and normalgays
You really think The movie would have made less money because they replaced SOME of the generic locations with ones that they might actually recognize? It would have done the opposite.
>Yes, because Nicky is a little kid and his future self is 16
OK. and? in the end the one known as sonic is similar to the sonic of the games
>I don't really equate that with having a serious temper.
Serious Temper ≠ Short Temper
>we'd have to count Movie Sonic/Wachowski being the only Sonic to ever be willing to flat out murder his Eggman in cold blood if given the opportunity.
Game sonic has attempted this several times. Its one of the few things that Movie sonic has in Common with game sonic
>We know he was born on Christmas Island but that's it. And for all we know, Sega changed that.
The location was retconed
The fact that he ran from home was not
>It still counts because he's usually around Tails in some way or some form and they still see themselves as brothers.
I never said he doesn't see him as a little brother, but family has never been a core part of game sonics identity as evidenced by the month long breaks between them seeing each other. Family was a poor central theme for an adaption of the character
>He barely has anything in common with Game Sonic outside of that.
And movie sonic has even less in common with game sonic, due to his yearning for stability and a family life.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Game sonic has attempted this several times.
No, he hasn't. Game Sonic has never attempted to directly kill Eggman - he just leaves him to suffer from the results of his own schemes blowing up in his face, that he somehow inexplicably survives.
The only Sonics to have ever attempted to directly kill their Eggmans are Movie and Archie during Endgame.
>Family was a poor central theme for an adaption of the character
Family has benefits the core of Sonic in four continuties at this point: AOSTH, Archie, Underground, and Movie. It's arguably a bigger aspect of him as a consistent multimedia character than moat of the shit the games have been doing post-Colors.
>And movie sonic has even less in common with game sonic, due to his yearning for stability and a family life.
As do all of the other versions mentioned in this thread. None of them have much in common with Game Sonic and they never will. Different continutiies means different rules.
You're also posting a ton of Sonic X images, and the Sonic in that series literally fricking sleeps 99% of the time and barely does anything until the end of a given episode. You are complaining that Sonic is different in various continuities whilst using false premises to single out the Movie Sonic yet you're posting one of the most different Sonics of all.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Game Sonic has never attempted to directly kill Eggman - he just leaves him to suffer from the results of his own schemes blowing up in his face, that he somehow inexplicably survives.
And Movienic tipping over the death egg Robot is different than Sonic doing pic related how?
>Family has benefits the core of Sonic in four continuities at this point: AOSTH, Archie, Underground
These all have Rebellion as a bigger core motif than family
>As do all of the other versions mentioned in this thread.
None of them do besides Archie. Your getting "keeping the ones i love safe" and " yearning for a Family life " mixed up
>None of them have much in common with Game Sonic and they never will.
I already went over why your wrong
> yet you're posting one of the most different Sonics of all.
Are you fricking stupid? Sonic X sonic is by far one of the most accurate adaptions. Look at the arc where Eggman "fixes" the moon for example.
Sonic not doing shit until the end of the episode is true to the source. Notice how Eggman has time to build city sized fortresses during each game? he doesn't outright hunt Eggman. He does his own thing and stops Eggman when fate makes them cross paths
>OK. and? in the end the one known as sonic is similar to the sonic of the games
Manga Sonic acts more like AOSTH Sonic than anything. The games didn't even HAVE a portrayal of Sonic that informed hao the character behaved at that point due to the manga predating most media in the franchise at the time.
If anything, Game Sonic is similar to the Sonic of the manga.
Id imagine they based the manga off the STH Technical Files. Game sonic is based off those too, but there isn't much time to show it in a genesis game
4 months ago
Anonymous
>And Movienic tipping over the death egg Robot is different than Sonic doing pic related how?
That gif obviously wasn't intended to flat-out murder him. What Wachowski did was 100% an intentional desire to kill.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>That gif obviously wasn't intended to flat-out murder him
He shoots him down while hes fleeing. Its way more needlessly leathal than when Wachowski tipped over the death egg or sent him to a planet that he knew was compatible with life
>None of them do besides Archie.
Boom has nothing in common with Gamenic, Prime has nothing in common with Gamenic, AOSTH DEFINITELY has nothing in common with Gamenic, Fleetway has nothing in common with Gamenic, etc.
You keep insisting that you're right and anyone disagreeing with you is wrong and it's obnoxious as shit. Just accept that different continuities have different interpretations of Sonic and be fricking done with it. Don't go full ESL just because people disagree with your shit takes.
>Boom has nothing in common with Gamenic >Prime has nothing in common with Gamenic
Both correct. Thats why there shit, with prime sonic arguably worse than movie sonic, but these two outliers don't make movie sonic any more accurate
>AOSTH DEFINITELY has nothing in common with Gamenic
His temper is short, but hes still clever. Hes the worlds most famous hedgehog. His home is never shown or mentioned, hes constantly on the move
He has more in common with Gamenic than Archie sonic
>Fleetway has nothing in common with Gamenic
Already went over why that's incorrect
>You keep insisting that you're right and anyone disagreeing with you is wrong and it's obnoxious as shit.
I only insist that because its true. Movie Sonic is unknown to the masses, Does not travel, Fears being alone, and has the stock speedster hyperactive attitude ontop of being much younger than any incarnation of the hog. These traits exist in other versions of the character, but Wachowski sonic is one of the few to have all of them at once, witch makes him far from the core of game sonic.
Genuinely the only thing he has in common with gamenic is the fact that he has no issues with offing Eggman. Cope and seethe
Bros, realistically, how will they handle Rouge? Do you think she will have full booba, will they be heavily deflated, or no cleavage at all? Will they just cover her in fur so she fits in with the others better? unfortunatley, i think that's the most likely
The directors are both big fans of her, So I'm hoping They'll push for her straight up having massive breasts. This is somewhat of a pipe dream, but hey, ertain sectors of Hollywood havent forgotten that know that sex sells
4 months ago
Anonymous
>He shoots him down while hes fleeing. Its way more needlessly leathal than when Wachowski tipped over the death egg
It really isn't. Game Eggman survives worse all the time, Movie Eggman is a normal human being who as far as Wachowski knows CANNOT survive a 700 meter drop. That and the very beginning of the film nearly had Wachowski cave his skull in with a furious punch until Knuckles intervened.
>or sent him to a planet that he knew was compatible with life
The only thing the Mushroom Planet had was breathable air. As far as we knew, it didn't even have food or water.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Game Eggman survives worse all the time
How do you think sonic knows this? He knows it From previous attempts on eggmans life.
>The only thing the Mushroom Planet had was breathable air. As far as we knew, it didn't even have food or water.
How the frick do you think he intended to survive on it in the first movie then? You really think long-claw told him to go there without her knowing if it was survivable?
4 months ago
Anonymous
>How do you think sonic knows this? He knows it From previous attempts on eggmans life.
You mean something he's never done? He only knows that Eggman can inexplicable escape his own bases blowing up or getting hit really hard. He's never directly sttempted to kill him in the games and never will. >How the frick do you think he intended to survive on it in the first movie then? You really think long-claw told him to go there without her knowing if it was survivable?
It probably wasn't meant to be a long-term thing. Just him leaving Earth after stocking up then staying on the Mushroom Planet for a short period before leaving again. Just from what we see in the Pre-Quill comic, the planet is basically a shithole where the only 'food' items are psychedelic mushrooms. It's also very much unsafe because there are giant man-eating mushrooms there, so I doubt Longclaw did much of a survey.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>He only knows that Eggman can inexplicable escape his own bases blowing up or getting hit really hard.
This counts as trying to kill him in my eyes. Theres not a significant difference in durability between the humans of the movies and the games, so how was sonic supposed to know that Eggman would survive it the first time?
>It probably wasn't meant to be a long-term thing. Just him leaving Earth after stocking up then staying on the Mushroom Planet for a short period before leaving again.
He would have to live there to avoid constantly being hunted, and his warp rings taken. Longclaws survey may have been flawed, but the point is that sonic thought the planet was inhabitable. Just lonely and desolate
4 months ago
Anonymous
>This counts as trying to kill him in my eyes.
Not really. Maybe murder by inaction, but that's it. Somebody never actively tries to kill Eggman in the games, but he also never tries to save him either.
>Theres not a significant difference in durability between the humans of the movies and the games
Eggman specifically is explicitly stronger (and larger) than most humans. You even cited Sonic X as being more "game accurate" and the differences between him and the average human are outright called out. His hand alone is larger than a grown man's head.
>He would have to live there to avoid constantly being hunted, and his warp rings taken. Longclaws survey may have been flawed, but the point is that sonic thought the planet was inhabitable. Just lonely and desolate
Longclaw also told him to always keep moving. So I definitely don't think Sonic would have stayed for long before having to leave again, especially with Knuckles chasing him.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>None of them do besides Archie.
Boom has nothing in common with Gamenic, Prime has nothing in common with Gamenic, AOSTH DEFINITELY has nothing in common with Gamenic, Fleetway has nothing in common with Gamenic, etc.
You keep insisting that you're right and anyone disagreeing with you is wrong and it's obnoxious as shit. Just accept that different continuities have different interpretations of Sonic and be fricking done with it. Don't go full ESL just because people disagree with your shit takes.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>OK. and? in the end the one known as sonic is similar to the sonic of the games
Manga Sonic acts more like AOSTH Sonic than anything. The games didn't even HAVE a portrayal of Sonic that informed hao the character behaved at that point due to the manga predating most media in the franchise at the time.
If anything, Game Sonic is similar to the Sonic of the manga.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>The films should have simply had better setups that allow for more game locations
Which we will probably get later on and HAVE gotten in the films already, with Labryinth Zone.
>Nicky is a different character than sonic. Manga Sonic is damn near 1 to 1 with game sonic
Nope. They're explicitly the same person - Sonic is Nicky's 16 year old self from the future.
>Even with him saying shit like he wishes Robotnik came back to life so he could do more, hes definitely the farthest from Game sonic's core. Hes more an adaptation of Satam sonic than anything. but he still has more in common with game sonic, even if that's only because hes had a longer runtime to showcase it
The only thing Archie shares with Game Sonic is a love of adventure, but that's it.
>Hes still puts action above finding a family. He has game Sonic's short temper and he still has the "Get it done now" Attitude that was Sonic's inspiration.
Gamenic has never had a serious temper outside of Unleashed. Not even in Frontiers, where it would be logical for him to get pissed off. And you're acting like Game Sonic "not caring about a family" is a defining trait - it isn't. It's also wrong because he still views Tails as his little brother. He just isn't the sort of guy who cares about having parents or a consistent place to live.
>You said it yourself, hes the end of turning Gamenic's freedom philosophy up to 11. He has something in common with game sonic even if hes written like shit
Yes, and that's his one trait. Not even Game Sonic fellates the freedom thing so hard and he'd be disgusted at IDWnic essentially turning into a sociopath because of it. What defines Game Sonic is a rejection of authority and his love of adventure, which the freedom stuff only partially ties into.
I'll also mention that Boom Sonic and AOSTH Sonic are other examples. Boom especially, given he's a lazy dumbass who doesn't really care about adventure outside of goofing off.
>Desu, If they make movie sonic take after Tom, that would be a surprising improvement.
They're already doing this, with him taking Tom's lesson to heart in the second film and said film's ending. I'd advise that you rewatch the film.
>Doesn't mean I have to like it.
No, but it also makes almost all of the complaints baseless unless you have a viable way to actually adapt the games into a film.
>The pg-13 sony version would have been better
It really fricking would not have.
>That and,Game Mario's world does not work and can never work in a film.
Disgusting false equivalence. Mario scored an animation studio whose claim to film is that thry do remarkably well at animating environments, characters, and worlds with tacked on cookie-cutter plots which is Illumination's bread and butter. Not only would their dpecific style run into problems with a Sonic film (namely, nonsense like "not being 'shonen' enough" or some such), but it would please nobody - the average person can find a dime-a-dozen movies with similar or better animation and diehard Sonic autists wouldn't tolerate anything below Night of the Werehog tier animation for a film. That, and the Mario series already has more developed character identities for most of its supporting cast and more consistent lore than Sonic ever has because that stuff was allowed for them, unlike Sonic - it's the bare minimum, but it's better than literally nothing. The Mario movie's success literally comes down to having more global brand appeal than Sonic does, and certainly doesn't come from the myriad references that nobody but Nintendo fans will get or being more "game accurate".
What you are asking of Sonic - a total recreation of the games - isn't at all possible in a film medium. In a long-form animated series with little to no restrictions? Maybe. But not a film.
>But theres still no music from the games
What are you talking about anon? Both movies have Green Hill Zone music. That's all the fans want, right? There's also the music from the intro of Mania and like 3 seconds of the drowning theme in 2.
>like 3 seconds of the drowning theme in 2.
Don't forget the fact that its barley audible
>There's also the music from the intro of Mania
When was this?
This reminds me that the trailers for 2 had an orchestral arrangement of emerald hill zone. Why was that not in the movie? Is it easier to license shit like that for trailers than it is for the actual film? I gave the film a bit of lieutenancy for its lack of genesis music but its not like Dreams come true is impossible to work with, given the fact that both films have GHZ
>This reminds me that the trailers for 2 had an orchestral arrangement of emerald hill zone. Why was that not in the movie?
My guess is that it was >Uhmmm, we need music that people will recognize
And >Uhmmm, my ~~*music artists*~~ need more royalties
The frick more do people want from a Mario movie? Like yeah, Mario's motivations were pretty lazy, but its goddamn basic plot of the game. The fact that were even allowed to do an origin story is more story than any of the games.
And no, the fricking storybook in Galaxy does not count.
duh, how about introducing the rest of the cast, wario yoshi daisy? and yes rosalina, a mario galaxy movie would be incredible. They could also adapt super star saga or mario rpg, or luigi's mansion.
Is not hard to come up with a decent sequel.
The Mario movie was so fricking safe that I can't even say much about it - it looks pretty and that's it. It's a Nintendo love letter and made more money, and if that's all you care about then it's fine.
The Mario movie was bad though. Breakneck ADHD pacing with no real character development and teeming with nostalgic memberberry bullshit. I have no desire to see the sequel in theaters because of it, but I'll probably give the third Sonic movie a matinee viewing a few weeks after its initial release.
It just goes to show how cursed the entire project was where the developers lost track of artists for the music of their own game and couldn't include it lmao
This sounds really stupid but i would honestly include the humans (at least his dad) in the film and i know the perfect way to do it Toms dad is the one who shot Maria, Shadow goes apeshit and tries to kill Sonics dad
His grand dad did, he said in the first movie that someone in his family has been protecting the town for 50 years, too specific a number for this franchise. Grandpa shot Maria and PTSD caused him to retire to be a small town cop.
I'd be fine with Agent Stone succeeding him as the new Dr Eggman, but not yet. If we're dealing with Shadow's story, then we still need the same Eggman as the previous movies for the connection with Gerald and Maria.
Off topic though. I saw some comic of Dark Sonic confronting Shadow. I was like hey that's cool. I check out other art from the artist... it's all Sonadow...
https://twitter.com/Drag0nartzz/status/1723736884193452121
i would be surprised if shadow isn't heavily involved in the next game, they're probably anticipating him becoming hugely popular again after this movie so they're probably already working on something
Shadow never stopped being popular, that's why he still gets as much merch as everyone else. The only reason he vanished after 06 was because of swarms of idiots saying Sonic's friends are the reason that game is shit and the games should be classic characters only.
There to cute. Conjoined eyes are edgier looking. The model at the end of movie 2 was just a placeholder though. I hope he has a more obvious patch of white fur in the middle of his eyes to give off the illusion of a mono eye
See, the new design has clasps on the inhibitor rings for the inevitable scene where Sonic thinks Shadow will be a easy 3v1 only to get his shit stomped after they come off.
Big has more mandates than even Shadow, going by what the Boom writers had said. Getting him in would have been obnoxiously difficult and they wouldn't have been able to do much with him if they had. Even in Prime, he's mostly just there to fill space.
This is what I was thinking. A Silver tease seems the most like, and knowing Flynn, Silver will be Shadow's descendant to complete the Goku-Vegeta-Trunks (or the Dante-Vergil-Nero) thing.
Flynn has nothing to do with the movies beyond being a lore consultant at best. Sega can mandate a few rules like the director confirming in the commentary track that Sega has banned Sonic from having a back story, (thus adopted by a different species) but Paramount controls the bulk of it.
>Deeper into the base are a bunch of Shadow Androids
I was going to talk shit about how much of a stupid idea this is but then I remembered this is what Heroes did. I hope they never make a movie based on it.
One of the extremely few "speedster runs on water" scenes where it accurately portrays that the sea isn't flat and has violent waves that can make it hard to run.
You know what'll probably happen? There'll probably be some miscellaneous quick shots/flashbacks of adventures with Sonic thwarting villainous plans, Stone or Eggman(if Carey reprises) will show up with Metal Sonic trying to get revenge, Amy shows up and gets kidnapped, Metal is easily thwarted, and when Stone/Eggman see this they'll look for a BETTER alternative and stumble upon Shadow's data.
This'll be the first 20-30 minutes of the movie.
>hehe, whats the matter shadow, was hot topic closed? >shouldnt you be trying to get my chemical romance tickets right now >whoa dont cut yourself on that edge man
remind me why i should be excited for this slop again? im a turbo SA2 autist and i thought the second movie was even more unwatchable than the first
If Sonic actualy said shit about KMFDM and Hot topic or something to shadow that would be based. Instead hes gonna call him Eddie Brock
Out of curiosity, why was the second movie worse to you? For me its the opposite
the first movie felt different enough that even though i didn't like it i thought it was cute enough and could see it being enjoyable if i was a kid and not obsessed with sonic. the second had more sonic content but without any of the charm that I like the series for, when they introduced a more traditional sonic story it became more apparent that it lacked the attitude, the tryhard 90s cool stuff, shonen drama etc that i love the series for.
it also didn't hit the "trying to adapt weird old 2d games with minimal story into a movie" vibe that the OVA or like the mario movie have which is at least unique and charming even when bad. the ova and the satam cartoon both have weird OC interpretations of the series and I liked them, this just doesn't do it for me.
The humour also just didn't land for me, stuff like "donut lord" just feels like boring standard quirky kids movie writing. sonic calling a human guy dad also just feels like deviantart fanfiction to me.
not a big fan of the live action sonic design either.
also sick of every one of these animated movies having a scene where everyone dances, because dancing is funny i guess. it just feels lazy. oh the minions movie had a scene where everyone danced so we have to do that too, oh the mario movie had a scene where the bad guy sings which is funny cause he's the bad guy, lets do the exact same joke.
Understandable. For me it was always apparent that the movies lacked the true soul of what I enjoy the franchise for, and the humor and writing of both movies are on the same level, so movie 1 just ended up being more bland. Even if movie 2 was still just Sonic in name only, at least it had more of the name
He recently destroyed a planet buster, i'm pretty sure Sonic is the definition of a natural ultimate life lifeform
I hate Ian. The End should have been way more than a fricking planet buster that shit is small-time
Sega has literally banned Sonic from having a backstory so I doubt they have anything internally. Wiether he was made in a lab, just happened to be born with the perfect genes, or is an avatar of a primordial God that simply appeared one day, we don't know and never will. Sonic doesn't give a shit how many prophecies call him a legendary being, he just sees himself as some guy who fricks with Eggman for fun.
Shadows game Semi debunks Sonic being made in a lab, because of how it says that Gerald was unable to "complete" the project without the aid of black doom. I Enjoy that mandate because I prefer the theory that he just appeared one day as the ultimate life form
Who says Gerald made the original Ultimate Lifeform in the first place? Isn’t it possible the original WAS natural and was simply being raised and experimented with on the ARK to cure Maria?
Theres nothing to prove that, but nothing to DISPROVE that either.
>oh the mario movie had a scene where the bad guy sings which is funny cause he's the bad guy
i bet this was because jack black would die if he can't be the center of attention doing his stupid singing gimmick
The Mario and Sonic movies being liked on here proves most of this site is fine with slop as long as it features fanservice pandering garbage that appeals to their sensibilities.
They had issues IRL so Kojima forced them to meet for MGS4 to reconsile (Snake's VA's dad voices Big Boss) but it's purely "Snake is related to Eggman without knowing it so he instinctively hates Sonic".
The point is that in Japanese know the VA first and the characters second, so the joke about snake being eggmans kid is not lost on the average Japanese
Who will be the "real baddie" of Sonic Movie 3 though?
1 - Biolizard? Somehow I doubt Hollywood would agree to that.
2 - Metal Sonic?
3 - Mecha Sonic?
Or something else entirely? Can't be fricking Perfect Chaos.
I don't know. Would they really make a movie with two fake Sonics? Either Metal Sonic would be redundant or he'd steal focus from Shadow and ultimately neither would have a satisfying character arc.
If the chucklefricks at Hollywood can add Mechagodzilla to a film called "Godzilla vs. Kong", they sure as shit can make Metal the final boss in a Sonic vs. Shadow movie
Bagan wasn't an option for the Monsterverse at the time of Godzilla VS Kong due to Toho being artistically restrictive of him. He's only recently debuted in something that isn't the old Super Godzilla game in Godziban.
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And he got an animatronic/puppet for tours as well.
Up until the first movie released in 2018, I've only ever played Sonic 1, 2, 3&K, CD and Rush. But the 1st movie actually got me back into Sonic after years of not touching that franchise, and it made me play Adventure 1, Adventure 2 and Rush Adventure. I also played Heroes but never beat it (yet).
The underwater shit with knuckles was really hard because I didn't get the underwater necklace thing.
>I didn't get the underwater necklace thing.
Same here, that shit made me want to pull my hair out especially since I have this policy of "no FAQs or guides for first playthroughs".
It was SOULful. It may have been cheesy and over the top, but it was a game made in 2000 for kids. It definitely felt like a proper ending to the game and it was hype as hell. But looking back on it, it makes me cringe a bit. I don't like the dialogue at all during the fight.
Knuckle's is back to being tough and at worse, ignorant of modern society due to being raised on an island outside society instead of a brick brained moron.
Knuckle's is back to being tough and at worse, ignorant of modern society due to being raised on an island outside society instead of a brick brained moron.
I think he was referring to your punctuation. It's <Knuckles'> not <Knuckle's>.
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QRD on every scene from the Hero Side, Dark Side and Last story.
>Eggman learns about a secret weapon and breaks into a facility to retrieve it. >Turns out the weapon is Shadow. >Shadow tells Eggman about the Space Colony ARK and to meet him there. >Rouge and Knuckles are fighting over the Master Emerald and it gets broken when Eggman shows up to try and take it for himself. >Eggman/Shadow/Rouge all team up and most of the plot is them trying to gather the chaos emeralds. >Eggman's motivation is word domination, Shadow wants revenge for his friend(Maria) getting murdered, Rouge is just a gem thief. >Eggman threatens the world with the planetbusting space cannon on the ARK which sparks the whole race for the Emeralds, etc. >The villain team essentially wins and the cannon is about to go off, but they're shown the manifesto of Gerald Robotnik who explains that GUN staged a coupe on the ARK which was a research facility, dedicated to finding a cure for a disease his daughter has, as well as other beneficial things for humanity. >GUN went up on the ARK in secret and killed everyone up there, Maria included, and it was covered up. >Shadow as the ultimate lifeform was an example of such progress as he's immortal or whatever. >Robotnik was forced to work for GUN, and Shadow was captured. But right before Robotnik died, he was able to brainwash Shadow, essentially programming him as this sleeper agent who will enact his doomsday revenge plot should he ever be woken up. >This is actually what Shadow did. Loading up the cannon with the Emeralds triggered Robotnik's trap of sending the ARK crashing to Earth to destroy humanity. >Everybody except for Shadow scambles to work together to try and counteract this plan. Que hero/villain alliance while Shadow just stands by a window and waits for it to happen. >Amy appears and actually makes a crucial contribution to the story by talking to Shadow about his motivation/revenge, and convinces him to help out.
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>Shadow's memory gets unfricked by Amy, and he remembers that Maria didn't want him to get revenge, she wanted him to help humanity and make them happy. >The prototype of the ultimate lifeform is this gigantic lizard(Biolizard) which is guarding the Master Emerald on the ARK. >Shadow goes down to right/distract it so Knuckles(?) can get to the Emerald and stop the sequence. >The Biolizard, being the prototype of Shadow, uses Chaos Control to attach itself to the outside of the ARK to force it to crash into Earth as a last resort. >Sonic and Shadow go super and fight it until it gets too close to Earth, requiring them to use Chaos Control to put the ARK safely back into orbit. >Shadow's super form ends and he falls to Earth and the game ends.
What was your reaction to playing LAST for the first time?
The only reason these shitty live action films keep making any money is because their associated with popular brands. Take that away and people would not give a single frick about the stories, acting, visuals ect. Its all because the consumers saw a familiar character in a trailer.
I wonder how deep into this Sonic's role into the ultimate lifeform thing will go. chaos energy isn't entirely unique to him as knuckles has it. But gerald made Shadow into a hedgehog specifically. I hope they explain why movie gerald did that and where he even got the alien hedgehog dna from to even make shadow, along with the black doom dna he added too.
Would be cooler if he saw the hydrocity statues tbh. They actually look like Sonic. And who knows if the island is a thing in them. If it was, its not on earth probably. Most likely be another hidden owl place on the planet
Would they even want to touch Black Doom? The Shadow game's story was such a mess that I don't know if they'd want to touch it. I could see Doom being the twist villain if Carrey is gone.
I want Shadow to be as fricking angsty as it comes.
His story is how he wants to burn the world for killing Maria, and he is fine being Gerald's tool for doing so. And it's not until he remembers her final wish that he decides that her will was more important than punishment
I think its funny and cool both Sonic and Shadow this time around really are similar with their backstories. I hope they play into that
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>I think its funny and cool both Sonic and Shadow this time around really are similar with their backstories. I hope they play into that
If it involves even the slightest hint as to where Sonic came from, Sega will block it.
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Well this is paramount who can have more of a say with things and a different universe so who knows. Either way I hope its done well
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Jeff literally said in the 1st movie's director commentary Sonic had to be adopted by a different species because Sega doesn't want Sonic to have an origin story.
4 months ago
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Sonic has an origin story, he was created by Doctor Kintobor
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SoA bullshit that has been dropped.
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intredasting
any other big popular characters that don't have origin stories?
Bring to me /sthg/'s strongest
Bring to me /sthg/'s fastest
and lastly Bring to me the /sthg/ user who is a licensed pilot
I will end them here and now
I want Shadow to be as fricking angsty as it comes.
His story is how he wants to burn the world for killing Maria, and he is fine being Gerald's tool for doing so. And it's not until he remembers her final wish that he decides that her will was more important than punishment
Considering Blaze is Silver's sidekick I don't see why she wouldn't show up in the inevitable Sonic '06 movie.
Also the final boss should've been Silver vs Mephiles, since he's the literal symbol of all of Silver's suffering. A full-on Trunks killing Future Cell moment.
Just SA2? >Biolizard is lame. >Black Doom will be in Shadow's movie.
Who the frick is the final boss? >Mecha Sonic? (both?) >Metal Sonic? >Fricking Chaos?
You don't understand SA2.
Gerald is the antagonist, not some fricking lizard.
He orchestrated the end of the world from beyond the grave by sealing Shadow away and manipulating his memories to compel him to destroy the world. Shadow is the villain right up to him activating the collision course with Earth, then Amy reminds him what Maria what really wanted, and then he stops it from happening.
I'm not pseud posting anything, this is literally the plot of the game, you dialogue skipping moron.
The final boss is stopping the space colony from crashing into Earth since the Biolizard has been designed by Gerald to take over the space colony and kamikaze into earth. That's why it's the final boss, they have to kill it to take over the station again.
>had a friend since middle school that was huge into Sonic and Shadow specifically >Hung out with him on and off for almost 15 years doing a lot of gaming and other stuff >Talked a bit less as we grew up but I still tried to stay in contact here and there >Last message I sent to him before he suddenly disappeared for good was me telling them I was gonna play the old Shadow the Hedgehog game that he loved >have no idea to this day why he ghosted me or where he went off to
Wherever you are Connor, I miss you bro, and I'll be thinking of you when I watch Sonic 3.
Amy should have been playable for one mission in the last part of SA2. A mission where she has to get to the room Shadow is in or something, since she's playable in the multiplayer.
The boss fight would have been so much cooler without all the back and forth banter and eggman coming in on the radio(?) that they aren't holding or wearing an ear piece. Especially considering they are in the vacuum of space. Just music and explosion/laser sounds.
Sonic fans have such shit taste. Only good thing about the movies was Jim Carey. These movies could've just been fully animated and cut out all the stupid human bullshit besides Eggman. The second they made it a cgi/live-action fish out of water story with real humans should've set off enough red flags, but no. We are stuck with this shit because Sonic fans are low, they would probably watch the Yogi Bear movie if it was repackaged as a Sonic spin-off of another character be none the wiser. The Mario movie sucked ass, but at least Nintendo has the common decency to not cheap out completely and have it fully animated.
It isn't just Sonic fans, no one has standards any more. All these stupid fricking video game movies, Dragon Ball, Pokémon... so much abject garbage that people lap up without a second thought.
im a huge sonic fan and i thought the movies were unwatchable, especially the second.even live action could've worked if they cut out the shitty characters like donut lord and used the regular modern models instead of the weird furry sonic
I dont think I can stand a third sonic movie. I have no idea why people enjoy them, the humans ruin everything to the point where its like a live action sonic x
I cannot fricking wait for the scene where shadow decides to undo his actions and help the good guys, but instead of amy its the loud screaming black women who just blast into the room with some kind of forklift with a sci-fi weapon attached. and who can forget the dance scene?
every kids movie needs a song and a dance scene
How the hell are they going to explain Gerald Robotnik creating something that looks exactly like Sonic? Is the Biolizard going to be in as well? Are we gonna see Black Doom giving Gerald some genetic samples of a being from Mobius?
The Mario movie was so fricking safe that I can't even say much about it - it looks pretty and that's it. It's a Nintendo love letter and made more money, and if that's all you care about then it's fine.
I would rather the sonic movie be safe "I CLAPPED WHEN I RECOGNIZED IT" than the generic snooze-fest it is now
>I would rather the sonic movie be safe "I CLAPPED WHEN I RECOGNIZED IT" than the generic snooze-fest it is now
And it would fricking bomb and you'd never get another film again. You can only have your fricking notion of multiple Sonic films because Fowler and the rest of his team understand that nobody gives a shit about Sonic's poorly built world outside of diehard Sonic autists. A full Sonic film in the style of the Mario movie with the environments and references galore not only wouldn't take like the Mario movie did, it would probably bankrupt whoever tried it. You'd need an Avatar tier budget to even do it convincingly and nobody will approve that for fricking Sonic of all things.
>I would rather the sonic movie be safe "I CLAPPED WHEN I RECOGNIZED IT" than the generic snooze-fest it is now
And it would fricking bomb and you'd never get another film again. You can only have your fricking notion of multiple Sonic films because Fowler and the rest of his team understand that nobody gives a shit about Sonic's poorly built world outside of diehard Sonic autists. A full Sonic film in the style of the Mario movie with the environments and references galore not only wouldn't take like the Mario movie did, it would probably bankrupt whoever tried it. You'd need an Avatar tier budget to even do it convincingly and nobody will approve that for fricking Sonic of all things.
That and,Game Sonic's world does not work and can never work in a film. Even ignoring the budgetary constraints that would occur trying to put even half the locations in the games into the films, there is no actual world or background they can develop for the setting that would in any way entice people. Opening with Sonic fighting Eggman and nothing else would lead to an empty theater and reviews bombing the shit out of the movie - people would not care. And trying to do even bare minimum set-up would piss off game autists. Sega hasn't provided shit to even give people a baseline to work off of if you want a 1:1 recreation of the games and what little they have given is either completely contradictory and lacks internal consistency or gets retconned whenever some bored senior executive decides to change it.
Sonic as a film can literally only work in the Sonic X format of them being stranded on Earth, with the introduction of game elements being gradual over time. Trying to dive headfirst into the wider Sonic stuff will always fail because there is no hook to entice people and we are well past the era where Sonic media had enough good will to coast-by on simple word of mouth alone.
Not the anon your replying to, but Sonic's world can work - just not for movies. It's a perfect fit for series though, and has shown success numerous times in the past.
I don't get how people can say stuff like this, and have always said stuff like this, when the criticism of anything trying to adapt Sonic to TV and Film were that they weren't enough like the games. I don't think anyone watched Sonic X for Chris, and I doubt anyone went to the movies for the humans in the Sonic movies.
Personally, I think that the Sonic Adventure games could absolutely be adapted into movies with minimal changes, but it's just a case of budget for CGI these days.
Anyway, as for this movie's big bad, I imagine Black Doom/Black Arms aliens are going to appear and chuck their comet at the earth, which will kinda take the place of the space colony doing the same at the end of SA2. I don't expect anything after the third movie, given most movie franchises seem to peter out by the third, and then go straight to streaming/home release if they carry on after a third, along with a noticeable drop in quality. I imagine the director must know that, and would therefore want to put everything he can into this last Sonic movie.
>I don't get how people can say stuff like this, and have always said stuff like this, when the criticism of anything trying to adapt Sonic to TV and Film were that they weren't enough like the games.
And the can't be like the games because nobody cares about the games' 'setting' enough to do so.
> I don't think anyone watched Sonic X for Chris
Most people didn't watch Sonic X, even in the West.
>and I doubt anyone went to the movies for the humans in the Sonic movies.
Almost all of the non-diehard autists actually enjoy the humans in the movies. This is just about the only place that endlessly b***hes about them.
>Anyway, as for this movie's big bad, I imagine Black Doom/Black Arms aliens are going to appear and chuck their comet at the earth, which will kinda take the place of the space colony doing the same at the end of SA2. I don't expect anything after the third movie, given most movie franchises seem to peter out by the third, and then go straight to streaming/home release if they carry on after a third, along with a noticeable drop in quality. I imagine the director must know that, and would therefore want to put everything he can into this last Sonic movie.
Jeff Fowler absolutely won't toss in the Black Arms into the third film and I have no idea why that would be your first thought. It will lost likely be Chaos or the Biolizard.
>Sonic and Shadow have their climactic fight outside the ARK >both are worn out, winded, and near collapse >a shadow falls over them and the station >they look up >cut to the sun being eclipsed, revealing this
Bros, realistically, how will they handle Rouge? Do you think she will have full booba, will they be heavily deflated, or no cleavage at all? Will they just cover her in fur so she fits in with the others better? unfortunatley, i think that's the most likely
I'm more so wondering how Rouge would be explained in the movie. All the furries so far have been aliens but by SA2, they were supposed to be coexisting with humans. I love the idea of the US government trying to recruit a super animal like Sonic and going with the one that had the fattest breasts.
>most of the thread is a moron failing to understand why this multimedia franchise has different versions of the character >endlessly praises the games which have been terrible for fricking decades and are only just now redeeming themselves
Yep. It's a Sonic thread all right.
>first film: Sonic 1 >second film: Sonic 2/3 and Knuckles >third film: Adventure 2/Shadow the Hedgehog(apparently)
what would even be done for a fourth film? I feel like Perfect Chaos would be a better fit for that Knuckles TV show(that was supposed to come out last year, has it been cancelled?)
Maybe the movie will solve the jet shoes argument by having Sonic disable them only for Shadow to reveal they're powered by his Chaos Energy so slowing him down only increases his physical strength. Would tie in nicely to 06 slowing him down in place of more combat powers.
God, i really hope the voice actor for shadow in this movie is Keanu Reeves
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Everyone wants him
I hope it's just Ben trying to sound edgy
I'd want Christian Bale, but not with his Batman voice, just a more serious version of his Patrick Bateman voice.
Came here to post this.
>There is an idea of a Shadow...I am simply not there...
Careful with Shadow VA speculation, it killed
Gilbert Gottfried
I thought Wilburgur killed Gilbert Gottfried by requesting the "I'm Gilbert Gottfried, and I'm dead," Cameo.
Imagine they brought back David. Alas, he's a swim instructor now.
good. frick that annoying israelite
Personally, I'm betting on Adam Driver, but Keanu would be fun.
>Shadow to Tom's wife: Keep driving you black spear chucking peace of shit ni-*redacted*
disgusting black creature. get out of my sight
>>Not calling her a chaos spear chucking disgusting black creature
Ngmi
>Keanu Reeves
epic wholesome 100 chungus, fellow redditor!
Jason Griffith maybe? I mean he did tweet this out
https://twitter.com/jgriff_4real/status/1742960059280416866?s=20
Griffith does anime and foreign TV dubs, he's not being the voice of the lead new character on a big movie.
This is the big meme answer but honestly I'm kinda hoping they get Robert Pattinson for it
Not only does it have Meme Man Actor Guy potential, but Pattinson's voice work has been legitimately great and I think he'd unironically bring his A game for the role
If he tried to sound like his younger self he would be perfect.
People are relentlessly going to compare sonic 3 to the Mario movie.
Mario will make more money because it's Mario but at least Sonic 3 wont' be Illumination slop.
>"Le epic Alvin and the chipmunks movie 8: the shadowquel better than toddler minion slop"
God aren't you special?
Hopefully the Mario movie showed the fricking studio execs that people want music from the games and will respond to it more than the same 50 licensed songs that show up in every movie on Earth.
It's gonna be fricking SOUL.
Who cares at this point, Sonic got 2 movies the fans loved even if there was a lot of cringe, and Mario got a weirdly successful movie that didn't really take any risks so there wasn't much worth criticizing.
In fact I doubt they'll be compared because of the time gap between the two.
>didn't really take any risks
Yeah, good on the director taking the risky move of putting a dance competition in a kids flick
They just need City Escape, Live and Learn, Etc.
Even Movie 2 teased Emerald Hill in a Trailer but they never used it
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Sonic's critic score wasn't that much better than Mario. Fans say 2 was better than one and was a better Sonic movie, but most critics preferred 1.
The truth is: there's never going to be a real balance between catering to fans and non-fans. Sonic 3 could be the biggest love letter to Sonic, but critics won't really get Shadow or his storyline.
actually movie critics aren't as moronic as game journalists, if there was ever a shot at redeeming shadow this is the one.
I trust the director of these movies. He already has a nice conflicting dynamic involving FAMBLY
>Sonic 1 - Sonic loses his first family, thinks he's better off alone, but gets a new family to be part of
>Sonic 2 - Meets Knuckles, who has a toxic relation with his own father and feels that he has to SERVE his family, not be part of it. Sonic shows Knuckles the real way a family should be
>Sonic 3 - Shadow had his only family taken from him, and believes family is a weakness that only holds Sonic back. Also, the throwaway line about Robotnik being an orphan gives his relation with Gerald a new meaning(since the games NEVER even explored it)
As for the Mario movie, its funny how people were expecting it to a meta, self-hating film becuase the directors made Teen Titans Go, but they flat out said they wanted to make the movie a love letter to Mario.
it's about family, and that's what's so powerful about it
They were already comparing the previous ones. Mario wasn't memorable, Sonic was. Hard to believe mario movie isn't even a year old, feels like it came out a decade ago.
mario was fine
the only major flaw i can think is that they never showed some reflections of lakitu as the cameraman in the movie
>Brooklyn
Where is that in pastaland?
long after you travel the peperonni sea you can see the flat mountains of brooklyn
>wait, Mario, you're telling me the sentient, speaking turtles who are bowsers citizens, some of them his own infant children free will, and are only against us because their king is, aren't evil in your world???
>Yeah, they're actually our pets, come over I'll buy you one
>maybe I will ;*~~*~~)
what the FRICK did they mean by this
She wants to enslave turtles.
CLEVER writing!!!! 🙂
I barely remember anything from the Mario movie....but I remember the Super Sonic scene vividly, hell even Sonic and Knuckles beating the shit out of each other in the temple place.
Will the film makers be autistic enough to include the plotline about whether Shadow was a clone of the original Shadow who was sent flying to earth by Maria and was unfound?
That shit got dropped by Shadow's game and the director is too much of a Shadow autist to imply the one we follow isn't Sonic's equal.
That was actually a huge story point all throughout Shadow the Hedgehog. In the true ending final boss, Shadow proclaims that he's the real Shadow for reasons I don't remember, but I think it's still left up in the air as to whether or not that's actually true. Past that point lol I don't know any more Sonic lore.
No anon that was from when Shadow fell in SA2 final battle, The SA2 plotpoint was from when he fell 50 years ago and may not be the same one who is the villain in SA2
Hmm, I don't recall Shadow thinking or saying anything about clones in SA2 (then again, it's poorly translated and I haven't played with the revised subtitles). The closest I can think of is that Shadow says something about Biolizard being his prototype. In SA2's final battle, Shadow says to Sonic something like "Could it be that you (Sonic) are the ultimate life form?" And when he falls to earth he says "Maria... This is what you wanted, right? This is my promise I made to you." That's all I've got for SA2. It's been much longer since I played Shadow the Hedgehog so now you've got me doubting my memory.
It's not even in the game but it is intended info. Check
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Sonic X also covers that information as well, They just didn't put it in SA2 but when Rouge talks about Shadow not even being real or being a tool created by gerald for revenge, thats what she means
Replay the Dark Story, we got a scene of Rouge saying she went though the Project Shadow file and didn't find a lick of infomration about Shadow himself so who the frick is he?
I think we both need to revisit SA2's revised fan-translated English dialogue since SA2's translation is very butchered. There could very well be a mistranslation or even missed bits of info. As it stands, if Shadow isn't Gerald's project, yeah wtf is he?
https://gamebanana.com/mods/48846
This mod will do the trick, though subtitle timing is desynced in most cutscenes.
He is Geralds creation but whether he was the same one sent to earth or a copycat made while Gerald was under GUN Supervision to take revenge on the planet was up in the air at the time of SA2.
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People are fixing the cutscenes up now so it's possible that, A.I voices, and Windii's translation's will get us a fixed localization.
God I love how Adventure 2 has an army of autists dedicated to cleaning it up two decades later but Heroes trash isn't worth picking up.
Heroes doesn't really have anything major, it's just metals being a shit go stop him.
SA2 is the one that has major chunks of the story not even being told
In reality, it's because Heroes problems are too fundamental. 90% is the level design which is hard to fix on a mod but I'm surprised I've never seen people saying to just install mods that make the special stages easier or make it so you only need to beat one story and get the emerald's to unlock the final boss.
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Nope, same one from SA2. SA2 raised the possibiltity that the playable Shadow was a back-up clone of the original/Soinc was the real Ultimate Life-Form with Shadow being a rushed out hackjob under G.U.N but that was all dropped.
Oh! Wait— I thought in SA2 Shadow was just asking Sonic if he was the ultimate life form was just some strange compliment. It's possibly Sonic was actually Gerald's creation or some shit? I missed a whole section of plot?
https://autisticshadowthehedgehog.tumblr.com/post/626259995376386049/sonic-x-theory-the-other-ultimate-lifeforms
Again, all this shit has been dropped in game canon.
>autisticshadowthehedgehog.tumblr.com
lol
So, will this be a rehash of Sonic Adventure 2 or what?
Yes. Director said this about it
>He’s a match for Sonic, but like with such a different personality. And not like Knuckles, who is sort of mislead. Shadow is driven by anger and revenge, you know? I almost feel like Sonic, when he encounters Shadow, he’s like: “Well, I’ll just teach him about the power of friendship like with Knuckles, bada bing bada boom,” but that not going to work on Shadow, you know? This is like, Sonic’s never had to deal with someone as emotionally damaged as Shadow but he has with Robotnik.
Writer said they're mostly taking from Adventure 2 but with a few elements from his own game. Director fricking loves Shadow so I unironically can see him wanting to set up the Black Arms.
Johnny Gioli said Sega commissioned him and Jun to make some songs/remixs to present to Paramount so we'll see.
>Johnny Gioli said Sega commissioned him and Jun to make some songs/remixs to present to Paramount so we'll see.
What? Wouldn't it break some NDA for him to say that? I also think I would've heard if this happened. Can you source me?
>What? Wouldn't it break some NDA for him to say that? I also think I would've heard if this happened. Can you source me?
He said it on the Crush 40 Discord, Johnny's a big boy so I'm sure he got the okay.
>Johnny Gioli said Sega commissioned him and Jun to make some songs/remixs to present to Paramount so we'll see.
this is the best thing I've heard recently
Source on the Johnny/Crush 40 stuff?
Somewhere in the Crush 40 Discord archives, it's ran by some Zoomer but Johnny pops in every so often.
holy shit
what dark ritual did CWC conduct over his mother's helpless body to bring Sonic fans such undeserved kino?
That's gonna be really hard if jim carrey really retired
Jim said he's semi-retired. If he gets a golden script then he'll consider it. There's a reason movie 2 didn't show us a body despite Jim hating doing sequels.
I remember reading that the main issue he had with sequels stemmed from doing Ace Ventura 2 and being bored with doing the exact same shtick as the last film. It feels like the Sonic screenwriters knew about this and planned around it, with Robotnik being characterized quite differently in the progression of his madness and thirst for greater power in each entry.
They can probably get him on board by saying this is when he finally wears a fat suit.
Hopefully
That's not the plotline. The Shadow launched by Maria was always the Shadow in SA2. Heroes introduces the idea that the Shadow Rouge uncovers in Eggman's base is potentially just one of the many Shadow androids Eggman was working on in between games.
Well time to redpill you anon, i don't blame you for not knowing this but this is canonical info added in the Sonic Adventure 2 Perfect Guide.
(Also Sonic X)
During my latest undercover operation, I obtained through the security hole at GUN classified jurisdictional data of the President of the Federal Government at the time, which appeared to be related to Project Shadow. A top-secret letter from thirteen presidents ago to Pr. Gerald requesting research. The letter stated succinctly as follows.
"Begin research on the eternal and ultimate dream of mankind: immortality."
At first, Gerald stubbornly refused the request, claiming that it was beyond human capacity. However, it was Gerald's beloved granddaughter, Maria Robotnik, who (ironically) gave him the opportunity to make this project, which should have ended as mere delirious ramblings from the powers that be, a reality. Maria had been suffering from NIDS (neuro-immunodeficiency syndrome), a disease that even today is considered difficult to treat, and although she continued to receive treatment at the ARK's medical research facility, there was no hope for her recovery. Gerald, frustrated by this, decided to overcome her intractable disease by researching immortal life. The research was conducted in secret even within the ARK, and it is recorded that it was named "Project Shadow" from the irony of creating a shadow (thing that cannot exist in this world).
What everyone at first thought was a far-fetched project was not entirely a pipe dream for Pr. Gerald's genius mind. Based on the research results of the Chaos Emeralds and Chaos Drives, his attempt to apply the boundless energy to life was successful, and the project soon resulted in the completion of a prototype. Focusing on its self-healing ability, the "ultimate life form prototype," which was created using a lizard as its base body, showed signs of amazing growth, self-healing, and self-propagation, much to the delight of researchers.
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However, their joy was short-lived, as the prototype's capabilities soon exceeded their expectations to such an extent that they began to have trouble controlling it, and even within the research community, there began to be doubts about the continuation, significance, and safety of the research. Perhaps it was an insider who saw the prototype run amok who first leaked information about the project to GUN, but the truth is not clear. However, the danger of the project was somehow brought to GUN's attention, and GUN's top brass, which at the time was hostile to the uniqueness of the ARK research institute, took this as an opportunity to plan the closure of the ARK itself. This was an unofficial operation called "Operation ARK Shutdown."
A biohazard suddenly broke out at the ARK research facility, and all colony residents were to be rescued from the disaster, and the colony was to be sealed off. This was the ostensible objective of the operation. The real objective, of course, was to shut down the ARK research facility, erase Project Shadow, and hold Pr. Gerald responsible for the disaster. The operation was carried out on a scale never seen since the founding of GUN, and within seven days of the start of the operation, all ARK residents were moved to the surface, all ARK facilities were frozen by GUN, and all Project Shadow personnel except Pr. Gerald were declared victims of this disaster. The operation was completed with the sealing of the "ultimate life form prototype" found in the deepest part of the colony.
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However, there was only one miscalculation in this operation: when this operation was carried out, Pr. Gerald had already almost completed the ultimate life form "Shadow" using another base body. When the GUN Special Forces raided the research institute, the fleeing Gerald entrusted it to his granddaughter Maria, and it is confirmed that an escape capsule was ejected toward the surface at that time. (The whereabouts of the capsule at that time are still unknown to this day.)
As a result, Gerald was subsequently captured by Special Forces and imprisoned on Prison Island, where he was eventually forced to continue his research on the ultimate life form, "Shadow," apparently under orders from GUN. Now that Shadow the Hedgehog is no more, there is no way to know whether the Shadow sealed on Prison Island was a replica created by Gerald or the real Shadow that was ejected toward the surface and recovered...
~Excerpt from Rouge's final investigation report on Project Shadow~
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This explains that awkward scene when Rouge questions if he's even him or how Gerald was able to work on him to begin with. Sonic X even added a bit where he says "I AM SHADOW THE HEDGEHOG!" before sacrificing himself, for all we know, OG Shadow died in the crash
I mean Sonic has a brief moment of dwelling on Maria's name implying he was the OG while Shadow was a hastily made knock-off but all this shit has been dropped. Shadow is the one and only ultimate life form and Sega has banned Sonic from having a back story.
Yeah i mean nowadays it's not happening, i get that. Still it's fascinating to think that at one point they went this fricking crazy with the story to imply that sonic was the OG lifeform
We already know from the Devil Doom battle that Shadow is the original that Gerald created, and that Eggman rescued him with his robots.
See here.
Or see here.
Yeah, duh. That was after SA2. Originally it’s very heavily implied Sonic was the Ultimate Lifeform that Maria saved and Shadow was just a replica for revenge.
>it’s very heavily implied Sonic was the Ultimate Lifeform that Maria saved and Shadow was just a replica for revenge.
I wouldn't go that far. That's mainly just for Sonic X
The Shadow Maria saved burned up in the atmosphere
I’m not so sure about it just being X. Maybe I’m misremembering I recall hints of it in Sonic’s behaviour towards the end of the game. There’s also Shadow declaring Sonic to be the true Ultimate Lifeform if you take too long, which can both be Shadow acknowledging Sonic and also a nod to him being the original.
There’s also just the general weirdness of Sonic and Shadow being identical in-universe. Yeah people theorise it’s from Gerald copying a mural but that wouldn’t get anywhere as fricking close as near-identical twins.
There's hints like Rouge's mission from the president in SA2 being to investigate Project Shadow and seeing if Shadow is the true ultimate life form and when digging through the files, she finds no reference to Shadow himself, only the Bio-Lizard, as if Shadow wasn't made on the ARK. Granted considering she dug enough to find the Lizard, it's easy to headcanon that Gerald initiated a system purge starting with the final results when the raid hit but G.U.N cancelled the purge ASAP.
Yup, he said in movie 1 interviews that he agreed to a sequel because he was promised significant character evolution.
>There’s also Shadow declaring Sonic to be the true Ultimate Lifeform if you take too long
>There’s also just the general weirdness of Sonic and Shadow being identical in-universe.
That doesn't imply that sonic was made in a lab. Even without getting into Shadows game, Things like Sonic being described as a god in s3&k, and the theme of sa2 being Natural vs Artificial, have me believe that sonic IS an ultimate life form, but one that just came to be
Shadow and Sonic are near identical because Gerald was just smart enough to engineer godlike perfection, and godlike perfection looks like Sonic the Hedgehog
I thought I read something about the true shadow burning up in the atmosphere, but i cant find it. It probably was left intentionally vague as to Whether or not sonic was made in a lab
Because hes a fricking chad
He recently destroyed a planet buster, i'm pretty sure Sonic is the definition of a natural ultimate life lifeform
Sega has literally banned Sonic from having a backstory so I doubt they have anything internally. Wiether he was made in a lab, just happened to be born with the perfect genes, or is an avatar of a primordial God that simply appeared one day, we don't know and never will. Sonic doesn't give a shit how many prophecies call him a legendary being, he just sees himself as some guy who fricks with Eggman for fun.
Who says Gerald made the original Ultimate Lifeform in the first place? Isn’t it possible the original WAS natural and was simply being raised and experimented with on the ARK to cure Maria?
Considering Gerald died before Sonic was born, no.
Go back up the chain of posts and get the context.
Sonic uses chaos control with the fake emerald
Eh, that's a bad way to go, and they were right not to commit to it.
Sonic is supposed to have a soft naturalist theme, with Sonic protecting nature from Eggman's oppressive industrialization. It makes more sense for Sonic to just so happen to be the real "ultimate lifeform" attuned to chaos energy from simple evolution, juxtaposed with Shadow being an artificial being engineered to emulate what an "ultimate lifeform" might be.
OOOON THE SOOONIC RIIDIN MY BIIIKE
How can Shadow be the replica when he was created 35 years before Sonic existed?
Then how would the Shadow in the present of SA2 have the memories of what went on on the ARK 50 years prior?
Same way he had the fake memories of Maria asking him to kill humanity.
He didn't have fake memories, they were just fragments he misinterpreted. All the pieces he remembers before Radical Highway are things she actually said but he got the context wrong.
No, the game was very clear that Gerald was fricking with his brain in ways he wasn't supposed to and that's why G.U.N pulled him from working on him in prison and killed him.
blocking out specific memories != implanting false memories
it's just a false interpretation of an incomplete memory
>Amy is the third Ultimate Life Form in the old canon that was dropped later
Mother of God.
In the Archie comic there was a character named Jun Kun, the Ox King, who was super-strong and invulnerable and absolutely wrecked everyone who tried fighting him hand-to-hand. Amy would consistently body him with her hammer every time they fight.
I know they're not canon but the old Archie Sonic comics were a lot of fun. Schlocky and hilarious at worst, hardly ever boring. There's always a weird fricking surprise whether it's in the writing or the art, especially in the middle-later years. I would certainly not have minded a few key things from it ending up in canon. As it is now I can't really care about Sonic lore because Sonic Team didn't care if either (or at least their new writers and directors don't).
I'm not a big fan of the IDW comics because they don't feel weird enough. My favorite media is all 4/10 – 7/10 stuff where the creator put their whole weird-ass vision into it. Having serious flaws makes media stick with you longer, unless it's a genuine 10/10 masterpiece which very few things ever are. A 9/10 piece of media playing it safe & cynical feels like I'm consuming nothing at all.
>Sonic Adventure 2 Perfect Guide.
was this written by sonic team
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Eggman says that if you waste too much time. It's just a ploy to get you to actually fight when he thinks you have doubts.
That's the kind of shit where you're overthrinking it like the post I saw once claiming Sonic is stronger then Shadow because Shadow was panting harder after their first fight.
I always interpreted it as Shadow's memories being fake and implanted onto him by Gerald to be sure he'd destroy the world.
Regardless they dropped all of that with Shadow The Hedgehog
>Regardless they dropped all of that with Shadow The Hedgehog
Let me break it down for you
>SOUL era
Sonic Adventure 2
>Introduce character
>Market him as a big new villain
>Game comes out and character is given context and is revealed to actually just be misguided and angry, not evil
>Character (that was meant to be a one-off) completes his arc, redeems himself, and dies
Sonic Heroes
>OOPS turns out we made the most popular character our company owns aside from our literal mascot
>Revive him
>Spend all game explaining how and why he survived
>Give character friends and a new purpose in life so character has more room to grow
>EDGE era
>Be SEGA
>Make dogshit decisions
>Listen to fans that want Sonic to have a gun
Shadow the Hedgehog
>Get rid of the writer responsible for making the character beloved (Shiro Maekawa)
>Replace him with soulless company man Takashi Iizuka
>Chase trends of the day
>End up with the first truly horrible Sonic game
This is the point of no return
>Character becomes associated with company's downfall
>Chimpanzees like Arin Hanson and countless others place blame on character
>Iizuka becomes more involved in company and thus more projects turn to rushed garbage
Sonic 06
>Character is actually portrayed surprisingly well
>Probably on accident
>Character gets to drive the plot forward and actually behave similarly to how he behaved in the SOUL Era
>The game was Sonic 06 so literally none of that matters
>Shelf character
>Time passes
>People that loved character originally start becoming more vocal compared to non fans like Arin Hanson
>Be SEGA
>Make dogshit decisions
>Associate character with downfall of the franchise
>Too scared to bring him back in any meaningful capacity
>When character is allowed to appear, they must be written with strict mandates in effect
>No character development allowed for ANY characters, let alone the one that "ruined" the franchise
>Spend all game explaining how and why he survived
They didn't really explain anything. They hinted at it at best.
Iizuka wasn't a random soulless company man at all. He did level design for S3&K, SA1, SA2 and Heroes (being in practice the only one working on Heroes' levels because the other guy was always on sick leave), and directed SA1, SA2 and Heroes. Him writing Shadow's game was indeed his first role as writer, but still.
Shadow was well written in 06 because Maekawa wrote the game's story.
It makes me sad because Shadow's original story is a tale of him overcoming trauma from violently losing his only friend and family, and then learning to find a new purpose in life by using his powers to help humanity.
He goes on a journey that evolves him as a character, that gets tossed out to him being "HEH, I'M THE COOLEST!!!!!!"
Knuckles goes through a similar arc from Sonic 3, Sonic Adventures 1 and 2, culminating in Sonic Heroes.
He goes from being an easily manipulated loner who genuinely believes that he can only rely on his own strength to do the one thing he was born to do: protect the master emerald. Then he goes to realizing he can rely on his friends to help him.
Which then gets tossed out to him being the series' class moron.
maybe in sonic 4 cause this is a reteling of adventures 2 and adventures 1
Sonic 4 will be an 06 adaptation,
Is he soft?
>Shadow
I can't wait
surely we'll get crush 40 this time instead of random pop song x, right?
>Live and Learn intro
>I Am All of Me mid fight
>All Hail Shadow end credits
>all in one movie
LUDOKINO
>Knuckles TV series has Unknown from ME with Idris Elba doing Dred Fox's part in the credits
Hope that fricking show ends with a voice reveal.
>random pop song popular in 2015
>Live and Learn
>Undefeatable
Place your bets.
We need a Leyley edit of Sonic and Sonia or Cream and Vanilla
>Sonic movie promoting WMBF couple
>Mario movie promoting feminist Peach
Holowood has found the next capeshit. Prepare to watch all your favorite video game franchises be turned into propaganda machines.
>Sonic Media has WMWF couple
>Media is unsufferable
>Sonic Media has WMBF couple
>Media is significantly better
You lost.
sex with all three
Little Kids are not gonna give a frick about that and will just enjoy the movies like normal human beings
movie promoting WMBF couple
Holy Based
movie promoting feminist Peach
Still fricking cringe, frick that movie
Cast him.
I hope he's like his Sonic X version
Jim with grey hair.
Bryan Cranston
I'd actually kneel and watch these kiddy ass looking movies if they did
John Noble
might be Christopher Lloyd since he's in the knuckles series
haven't watched sonic x. what changed with sa2?
He's just better developed in general at least in the Nip version, the english version is sterilized for children
>the english version is sterilized for children
Uh... Sonic X's nip version is more or less the same SA2's in either language. The gunshot is absent from SA2 though.
Look, the 4Kids version is sterilized all over the place, not just the content.
They even removed Live and Learn from the finalhazard
>the 4Kids version is sterilized
Sonic X's? Yes. SA2 isn't. I just watched the scenes in both languages, dumbo.
The point is 4kids managed to sterilize something that already pretty tame.
Christopher Lloyd
No, Christopher Lloyd will be Xehanort when the KH movie comes out.
Mike Pollock
I'll play him. I'm already bald so I just need to grow a moustache.
Live and Learn or we riot.
this is the backbone of the entire movie
this is mandatory
use whatever slur you want
if theres no live and learn it might as well not even exist
I'm going to fricking break out singing at the movie theater.
If you don't sing along to it in the movie theater, you never really were autistic. Simple ass.
Check out this SNES Version of it with the Megaman X Soundfont, does it work? I think it does!
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they have to use it when sonic and shadow unite to fight chaos
Chaos requires James Camereon tier budgets.
>Mephiles the Dark will be the main antagonist of a Hollywood Blockbuster in your lifetime
Sometimes clown world is fun
I know, it's going to be great.
>Mephiles the Dark
Nope, his brother will be.
>movie opens the same as the Hero Side in SA2
>but it plays some random pop song instead of Escape from the City or they play some of the generic Sonic X action music as the reference instead
>play some of the generic Sonic X action music
If it was the dub music, I'd be pissed. If it was the Japanese OST, I'd be pleasantly surprised like when Sonic meets Shadow.
Posting the GOAT
If they actually put City Escape into that movie I think there will be an actual non-zero death toll from Zillennials freaking the living frick out in the theater.
>release date is December 20, 2024
Man, I don't want to fricking wait 350 days......
>we've left the era of Ganker adaptation movies too far from the original source material
>and we're moving to Ganker and Ganker adaptation movies too close to the source material
We trade one villain for another.
I mean 95% of Sonic stories revolve around Sonic to the point they can't possibly output as much shit as the MCU so quantity should stay down. Movie 2 had to combine game 2 & 3 together because you can't make a movie out of "Sonic 1's plot again but Tails is also here".
I was baffled by people saying they should've held off on Knuckles until the third movie.
Black person, how many Sonic movies do you think are going to be made here? We would've ended at 1 if execs got to keep their mandated freak sonic design.
Too close? Both this and the mario movie are way off of the fricking source material.
Yeah but then you look at shit like One Piece and holy frick don't try to just port anime to live action it's a bad idea
I thought OP gays were alright with the show since Oda banned Netflix's bullshit.
OP is shit, so them directly porting OP to film without accounting for differences in medium was even worse.
>mfw watching the mario movie and seeing the sonic movies get btfo every step of the way
Movie 3 BETTER step it the frick up. I enjoyed movie 2 but it really has next to nothing to do with sonic
Mario movie was shit so that says a lot. It had no black wedding but man oh man it was bad
It wasn't CINEMA or anything but it had 9 times more shit from the games than both sonic movies combined, and in the end thats all I want
Movie 2 is a definite improvement, tails, knuckles and eggman are more or less in character, But theres still no music from the games, barley any game locations, and Sonics character is still wildly inaccurate. Although i don't know how you would fix that last one at this point
That would actually be fricking kino
>Sonics character is still wildly inaccurate. Although i don't know how you would fix that last one at this point
You build it up across the movies. Game Sonic is personality locked, his character's job is to change others like how he tempered Shadow's ego by being his match.
Donut Lord is gonna be a dead ringer for his grandpa that shot Maria.
Classic style games are too insubstantial plot wise to carry a movie individually. Amy appearing in this movie is a given so maybe Metal will be thrown in as well to get CD out of the way.
>You build it up across the movies. Game Sonic is personality locked, his character's job is to change others like how he tempered Shadow's ego by being his match.
I agree. My issue is that movie sonic's personality is just less interesting than game sonic's. I don't know why Hollywood loves "rebuilding" characters instead of just giving us the character
On a semi-related note what the frick was that dance off scene? that was lame even for movie sonic
>Got rid of almost dead
Its shit
>still no music from the games
Imagine this
https://twitter.com/ZoneHeadT/status/1521899061481070594?s=20
>barely any game locations
That Temple they were in is clearly based on Labyrinth Zone, there’s even a scene where Sonic nearly drowns and finds a big bubble to get air, sounds like you need to rewatch the movie sir.
>That Temple they were in is clearly based on Labyrinth Zone, there’s even a scene where Sonic nearly drowns and finds a big bubble to get air,
Yeah, its just that, and mushroom hill for 4 seconds at the start of the movie. I want MORE!
>But theres still no music from the games
They'd need to get the individual licenses from Sega or Crush 40 and no way in hell were thry doing that for the first film, they had literally zero faith in it until Fowler and his team were brought on. The 2nd film had more leeway, but they still didn't want to take the risk of acquiring all the song licenses (because excessive licensing already killed ANOTHER Sonic continuity).
It's like how the Monsterverse only barely uses most of Godzilla's rogues gallery and instead made new Titans - they'd need go pay for every individual license and Toho would charge them astronomical sums for each of them.
>barley any game locations
Labyrinth Zone is literally featured in 2.
>and Sonics character is still wildly inaccurate.
You mean like every continuity's Sonic? Because if you're complaining about him not acting like Game Sonic, then no other Sonic does. Game Sonic doesn't work outside of the games because he's a static cardboard cut-out who hasn't been able to properly emote for decades and wasn't allowed to express himself again until Frontiers came out.
>They'd need to get the individual licenses from Sega or Crush 40
Thats completely fair, but its still a mark on the film
>Labyrinth Zone is literally featured in 2
Thats not ENOUGH. I want MORE of that instead of it taking place in Montana or wherever the frick
> if you're complaining about him not acting like Game Sonic, then no other Sonic does.
Yes but other sonic's have more in common with sonic's core. Movie Sonic is true sonic's direct antithesis
Would rather one movie like that then three movies of mediocrity
That and,Game Mario's world does not work and can never work in a film. Even ignoring the budgetary constraints that would occur trying to put even half the locations in the games into the films, there is no actual world or background they can develop for the setting that would in any way entice people. Opening with Mario fighting Bowser and nothing else would lead to an empty theater and reviews bombing the shit out of the movie - people would not care. And trying to do even bare minimum set-up would piss off game autists. Nintendo hasn't provided shit to even give people a baseline to work off of if you want a 1:1 recreation of the games and what little they have given is either completely contradictory and lacks internal consistency or gets retconned whenever some bored senior executive decides to change it.
>Thats completely fair, but its still a mark on the film
No, not really. Nobody sane disses the Monsterverse films for not getting EVERY Toho kaiju, because there wouldn't be a film if thry had to pay millions upon millions of dollars for every license. It's not a "mark on the film", it's a mark on shitty companies extorting people by charging for each individual license.
>Thats not ENOUGH. I want MORE of that instead of it taking place in Montana or wherever the frick
And you'll get it. But you certainly aren't getting them in the first fricking film. The fact thry even used Labryinth Zone in the first means they're already doing what you're asking.
>Yes but other sonic's have more in common with sonic's core.
No thry fricking don't, and you'd know this if you interacted with any of the Sonic media outside of the games. To elaborate:
>Manga Sonic/Nicky
Literally a normal preteen child living his life, whose future self timetravels and replaces him when he needs to save the day. We have little idea what Manga Sonic's grown personality is like, but Nicky acts NOTHING like Gamenic. At all.
>Archie Sonic
Adventurous, but has a family and yearns for a normal life where he isn't wasting his entire life on a constant war. He is also completely loyal to the Kingdom of Acorn and its royal family, actually deferring to their authority on most matters which is completely the opposite of Game Sonic's personality.
>Fleetway
Not only is he a perpetually stone-faced dour bastard, but he is the only Sonic who takes his duty as a hero 200% seriously - his duties and responsibilities as Mobius' protector comes above all else, which again, goes against Game Sonic being a freedom loving hero. Also has deep regret and resentment over turning his best friend into Robotnik.
>IDW Sonic
Is a literal sociopath and the end result of turning Gamenic's freedom philosophy up to 11.
>Prime Sonic
Is a himbo who makes Boom Knuckles look like the smartest character ever.
>Nobody sane disses the Monsterverse films for not getting EVERY Toho kaiju... It's not a "mark on the film", it's a mark on shitty companies extorting people by charging for each individual license.
This isn't the same as having shoving in more characters. I can handle a drip-feed of characters as long as it means they all get time to shine (not to the sonic movies extent though). Its a mark because its an adaption that lacks one of the things that made the original great. It doesn't help that the music that's in the movie is lame. its a mark on shitty companies extorting people by charging for each individual license, BECAUSE it hurts the film.
>But you certainly aren't getting them in the first fricking film
The films should have simply had better setups that allow for more game locations
>Manga Sonic/Nicky
Nicky is a different character than sonic. Manga Sonic is damn near 1 to 1 with game sonic
>Archie Sonic
Even with him saying shit like he wishes Robotnik came back to life so he could do more, hes definitely the farthest from Game sonic's core. Hes more an adaptation of Satam sonic than anything. but he still has more in common with game sonic, even if that's only because hes had a longer runtime to showcase it
>Fleetway
Hes still puts action above finding a family. He has game Sonic's short temper and he still has the "Get it done now" Attitude that was Sonic's inspiration.
>IDW Sonic
You said it yourself, hes the end of turning Gamenic's freedom philosophy up to 11. He has something in common with game sonic even if hes written like shit
>Prime Sonic
The only one who has less in common frick this Black person
Desu, If they make movie sonic take after Tom, that would be a surprising improvement.
Yeah, I get why the movie ended up like that. Doesn't mean I have to like it. I don't want a total recreation, I just want an adaptation with more reverence for the source
The pg-13 sony version would have been better
>The films should have simply had better setups that allow for more game locations
Which we will probably get later on and HAVE gotten in the films already, with Labryinth Zone.
>Nicky is a different character than sonic. Manga Sonic is damn near 1 to 1 with game sonic
Nope. They're explicitly the same person - Sonic is Nicky's 16 year old self from the future.
>Even with him saying shit like he wishes Robotnik came back to life so he could do more, hes definitely the farthest from Game sonic's core. Hes more an adaptation of Satam sonic than anything. but he still has more in common with game sonic, even if that's only because hes had a longer runtime to showcase it
The only thing Archie shares with Game Sonic is a love of adventure, but that's it.
>Hes still puts action above finding a family. He has game Sonic's short temper and he still has the "Get it done now" Attitude that was Sonic's inspiration.
Gamenic has never had a serious temper outside of Unleashed. Not even in Frontiers, where it would be logical for him to get pissed off. And you're acting like Game Sonic "not caring about a family" is a defining trait - it isn't. It's also wrong because he still views Tails as his little brother. He just isn't the sort of guy who cares about having parents or a consistent place to live.
>You said it yourself, hes the end of turning Gamenic's freedom philosophy up to 11. He has something in common with game sonic even if hes written like shit
Yes, and that's his one trait. Not even Game Sonic fellates the freedom thing so hard and he'd be disgusted at IDWnic essentially turning into a sociopath because of it. What defines Game Sonic is a rejection of authority and his love of adventure, which the freedom stuff only partially ties into.
I'll also mention that Boom Sonic and AOSTH Sonic are other examples. Boom especially, given he's a lazy dumbass who doesn't really care about adventure outside of goofing off.
>Which we will probably get later on and HAVE gotten in the films already, with Labryinth Zone.
Even if you HAD to stick with the generic Hollywood formula, they could have struck a better balance.
>Nope. They're explicitly the same person -
There written as if they are different characters. when Sonic appears he does not share any of Nicky's traits
>The only thing Archie shares with Game Sonic is a love of adventure, but that's it.
The fact that there are times when Archie has been a renegade put him more in line with gamenic
>Gamenic has never had a serious temper outside of Unleashed. Not even in Frontiers
His idle animation and stern look in the classic games?
Adventure? Adventure 2? Black Knight?
Granted, this is something that has been phased out a bit over time, with the only modern instance of it i can think of being when he kicked the conch in lost world, but it was still a part of his character.
>And you're acting like Game Sonic "not caring about a family" is a defining trait - it isn't
One of the few things we know about his past is that he ran away from home.
>It's also wrong because he still views Tails as his little brother.
And even then, months pass without them seeing each other
>Yes, and that's his one trait.
Yeah. IDWnic has more in common with Gamenic because of that and the fact that he doesn't wanna be employed by the restoration
>They're already doing this, with him taking Tom's lesson to heart in the second film and said film's ending.
They also Implied that Eggman would be fat in the ending of film 1
>The complaints baseless unless you have a viable way to actually adapt the games into a film.
Make the road trip of film 1 include more game locations via warp ring shenanigans. Make Eggmans machines more recognizable. Done.
>It really fricking would not have.
Granted, all I know about the pitch was that it was pg-13, but it being more edgy would align itself more with the franchisees appeal
>Even if you HAD to stick with the generic Hollywood formula, they could have struck a better balance.
No, not really. The primary setting is Earth and if you started throwing in all of the Sonic wackiness like mobius strips, literal floating islands, mushrooms as whole biomes, etc then the film would have been torn apart by critics and normalgays. You need to slowly introduce that ahit over time.
>There written as if they are different characters. when Sonic appears he does not share any of Nicky's traits
Yes, because Nicky is a little kid and his future self is 16. Moat people are very different from, their kid years into their teens.
>The fact that there are times when Archie has been a renegade put him more in line with gamenic
No, because even then, Archie Sonic was still doing it for the sake of the kingdom or some higher authority. Game Sonic wouldn't care either way and would just do it because it's the right thing to do.
>His idle animation and stern look in the classic games?
I don't really equate that with having a serious temper. Game Sonic is not an active butthole to people around him like Fleetway is.
And if we're really counting those, then we'd have to count Movie Sonic/Wachowski being the only Sonic to ever be willing to flat out murder his Eggman in cold blood if given the opportunity.
>One of the few things we know about his past is that he ran away from home.
We know he was born on Christmas Island but that's it. And for all we know, Sega changed that.
>And even then, months pass without them seeing each other
It still counts because he's usually around Tails in some way or some form and they still see themselves as brothers. He'll also crash in Tails' home whenever he has the time - he just doesn't live there full time.
>Yeah. IDWnic has more in common with Gamenic because of that and the fact that he doesn't wanna be employed by the restoration
He barely has anything in common with Game Sonic outside of that.
> then the film would have been torn apart by critics and normalgays
You really think The movie would have made less money because they replaced SOME of the generic locations with ones that they might actually recognize? It would have done the opposite.
>Yes, because Nicky is a little kid and his future self is 16
OK. and? in the end the one known as sonic is similar to the sonic of the games
>I don't really equate that with having a serious temper.
Serious Temper ≠ Short Temper
>we'd have to count Movie Sonic/Wachowski being the only Sonic to ever be willing to flat out murder his Eggman in cold blood if given the opportunity.
Game sonic has attempted this several times. Its one of the few things that Movie sonic has in Common with game sonic
>We know he was born on Christmas Island but that's it. And for all we know, Sega changed that.
The location was retconed
The fact that he ran from home was not
>It still counts because he's usually around Tails in some way or some form and they still see themselves as brothers.
I never said he doesn't see him as a little brother, but family has never been a core part of game sonics identity as evidenced by the month long breaks between them seeing each other. Family was a poor central theme for an adaption of the character
>He barely has anything in common with Game Sonic outside of that.
And movie sonic has even less in common with game sonic, due to his yearning for stability and a family life.
>Game sonic has attempted this several times.
No, he hasn't. Game Sonic has never attempted to directly kill Eggman - he just leaves him to suffer from the results of his own schemes blowing up in his face, that he somehow inexplicably survives.
The only Sonics to have ever attempted to directly kill their Eggmans are Movie and Archie during Endgame.
>Family was a poor central theme for an adaption of the character
Family has benefits the core of Sonic in four continuties at this point: AOSTH, Archie, Underground, and Movie. It's arguably a bigger aspect of him as a consistent multimedia character than moat of the shit the games have been doing post-Colors.
>And movie sonic has even less in common with game sonic, due to his yearning for stability and a family life.
As do all of the other versions mentioned in this thread. None of them have much in common with Game Sonic and they never will. Different continutiies means different rules.
You're also posting a ton of Sonic X images, and the Sonic in that series literally fricking sleeps 99% of the time and barely does anything until the end of a given episode. You are complaining that Sonic is different in various continuities whilst using false premises to single out the Movie Sonic yet you're posting one of the most different Sonics of all.
>Game Sonic has never attempted to directly kill Eggman - he just leaves him to suffer from the results of his own schemes blowing up in his face, that he somehow inexplicably survives.
And Movienic tipping over the death egg Robot is different than Sonic doing pic related how?
>Family has benefits the core of Sonic in four continuities at this point: AOSTH, Archie, Underground
These all have Rebellion as a bigger core motif than family
>As do all of the other versions mentioned in this thread.
None of them do besides Archie. Your getting "keeping the ones i love safe" and " yearning for a Family life " mixed up
>None of them have much in common with Game Sonic and they never will.
I already went over why your wrong
> yet you're posting one of the most different Sonics of all.
Are you fricking stupid? Sonic X sonic is by far one of the most accurate adaptions. Look at the arc where Eggman "fixes" the moon for example.
Sonic not doing shit until the end of the episode is true to the source. Notice how Eggman has time to build city sized fortresses during each game? he doesn't outright hunt Eggman. He does his own thing and stops Eggman when fate makes them cross paths
Id imagine they based the manga off the STH Technical Files. Game sonic is based off those too, but there isn't much time to show it in a genesis game
>And Movienic tipping over the death egg Robot is different than Sonic doing pic related how?
That gif obviously wasn't intended to flat-out murder him. What Wachowski did was 100% an intentional desire to kill.
>That gif obviously wasn't intended to flat-out murder him
He shoots him down while hes fleeing. Its way more needlessly leathal than when Wachowski tipped over the death egg or sent him to a planet that he knew was compatible with life
>Boom has nothing in common with Gamenic
>Prime has nothing in common with Gamenic
Both correct. Thats why there shit, with prime sonic arguably worse than movie sonic, but these two outliers don't make movie sonic any more accurate
>AOSTH DEFINITELY has nothing in common with Gamenic
His temper is short, but hes still clever. Hes the worlds most famous hedgehog. His home is never shown or mentioned, hes constantly on the move
He has more in common with Gamenic than Archie sonic
>Fleetway has nothing in common with Gamenic
Already went over why that's incorrect
>You keep insisting that you're right and anyone disagreeing with you is wrong and it's obnoxious as shit.
I only insist that because its true. Movie Sonic is unknown to the masses, Does not travel, Fears being alone, and has the stock speedster hyperactive attitude ontop of being much younger than any incarnation of the hog. These traits exist in other versions of the character, but Wachowski sonic is one of the few to have all of them at once, witch makes him far from the core of game sonic.
Genuinely the only thing he has in common with gamenic is the fact that he has no issues with offing Eggman. Cope and seethe
The directors are both big fans of her, So I'm hoping They'll push for her straight up having massive breasts. This is somewhat of a pipe dream, but hey, ertain sectors of Hollywood havent forgotten that know that sex sells
>He shoots him down while hes fleeing. Its way more needlessly leathal than when Wachowski tipped over the death egg
It really isn't. Game Eggman survives worse all the time, Movie Eggman is a normal human being who as far as Wachowski knows CANNOT survive a 700 meter drop. That and the very beginning of the film nearly had Wachowski cave his skull in with a furious punch until Knuckles intervened.
>or sent him to a planet that he knew was compatible with life
The only thing the Mushroom Planet had was breathable air. As far as we knew, it didn't even have food or water.
>Game Eggman survives worse all the time
How do you think sonic knows this? He knows it From previous attempts on eggmans life.
>The only thing the Mushroom Planet had was breathable air. As far as we knew, it didn't even have food or water.
How the frick do you think he intended to survive on it in the first movie then? You really think long-claw told him to go there without her knowing if it was survivable?
>How do you think sonic knows this? He knows it From previous attempts on eggmans life.
You mean something he's never done? He only knows that Eggman can inexplicable escape his own bases blowing up or getting hit really hard. He's never directly sttempted to kill him in the games and never will.
>How the frick do you think he intended to survive on it in the first movie then? You really think long-claw told him to go there without her knowing if it was survivable?
It probably wasn't meant to be a long-term thing. Just him leaving Earth after stocking up then staying on the Mushroom Planet for a short period before leaving again. Just from what we see in the Pre-Quill comic, the planet is basically a shithole where the only 'food' items are psychedelic mushrooms. It's also very much unsafe because there are giant man-eating mushrooms there, so I doubt Longclaw did much of a survey.
>He only knows that Eggman can inexplicable escape his own bases blowing up or getting hit really hard.
This counts as trying to kill him in my eyes. Theres not a significant difference in durability between the humans of the movies and the games, so how was sonic supposed to know that Eggman would survive it the first time?
>It probably wasn't meant to be a long-term thing. Just him leaving Earth after stocking up then staying on the Mushroom Planet for a short period before leaving again.
He would have to live there to avoid constantly being hunted, and his warp rings taken. Longclaws survey may have been flawed, but the point is that sonic thought the planet was inhabitable. Just lonely and desolate
>This counts as trying to kill him in my eyes.
Not really. Maybe murder by inaction, but that's it. Somebody never actively tries to kill Eggman in the games, but he also never tries to save him either.
>Theres not a significant difference in durability between the humans of the movies and the games
Eggman specifically is explicitly stronger (and larger) than most humans. You even cited Sonic X as being more "game accurate" and the differences between him and the average human are outright called out. His hand alone is larger than a grown man's head.
>He would have to live there to avoid constantly being hunted, and his warp rings taken. Longclaws survey may have been flawed, but the point is that sonic thought the planet was inhabitable. Just lonely and desolate
Longclaw also told him to always keep moving. So I definitely don't think Sonic would have stayed for long before having to leave again, especially with Knuckles chasing him.
>None of them do besides Archie.
Boom has nothing in common with Gamenic, Prime has nothing in common with Gamenic, AOSTH DEFINITELY has nothing in common with Gamenic, Fleetway has nothing in common with Gamenic, etc.
You keep insisting that you're right and anyone disagreeing with you is wrong and it's obnoxious as shit. Just accept that different continuities have different interpretations of Sonic and be fricking done with it. Don't go full ESL just because people disagree with your shit takes.
>OK. and? in the end the one known as sonic is similar to the sonic of the games
Manga Sonic acts more like AOSTH Sonic than anything. The games didn't even HAVE a portrayal of Sonic that informed hao the character behaved at that point due to the manga predating most media in the franchise at the time.
If anything, Game Sonic is similar to the Sonic of the manga.
>Desu, If they make movie sonic take after Tom, that would be a surprising improvement.
They're already doing this, with him taking Tom's lesson to heart in the second film and said film's ending. I'd advise that you rewatch the film.
>Doesn't mean I have to like it.
No, but it also makes almost all of the complaints baseless unless you have a viable way to actually adapt the games into a film.
>The pg-13 sony version would have been better
It really fricking would not have.
>That and,Game Mario's world does not work and can never work in a film.
Disgusting false equivalence. Mario scored an animation studio whose claim to film is that thry do remarkably well at animating environments, characters, and worlds with tacked on cookie-cutter plots which is Illumination's bread and butter. Not only would their dpecific style run into problems with a Sonic film (namely, nonsense like "not being 'shonen' enough" or some such), but it would please nobody - the average person can find a dime-a-dozen movies with similar or better animation and diehard Sonic autists wouldn't tolerate anything below Night of the Werehog tier animation for a film. That, and the Mario series already has more developed character identities for most of its supporting cast and more consistent lore than Sonic ever has because that stuff was allowed for them, unlike Sonic - it's the bare minimum, but it's better than literally nothing. The Mario movie's success literally comes down to having more global brand appeal than Sonic does, and certainly doesn't come from the myriad references that nobody but Nintendo fans will get or being more "game accurate".
What you are asking of Sonic - a total recreation of the games - isn't at all possible in a film medium. In a long-form animated series with little to no restrictions? Maybe. But not a film.
>But theres still no music from the games
What are you talking about anon? Both movies have Green Hill Zone music. That's all the fans want, right? There's also the music from the intro of Mania and like 3 seconds of the drowning theme in 2.
>like 3 seconds of the drowning theme in 2.
Don't forget the fact that its barley audible
>There's also the music from the intro of Mania
When was this?
This reminds me that the trailers for 2 had an orchestral arrangement of emerald hill zone. Why was that not in the movie? Is it easier to license shit like that for trailers than it is for the actual film? I gave the film a bit of lieutenancy for its lack of genesis music but its not like Dreams come true is impossible to work with, given the fact that both films have GHZ
>This reminds me that the trailers for 2 had an orchestral arrangement of emerald hill zone. Why was that not in the movie?
My guess is that it was
>Uhmmm, we need music that people will recognize
And
>Uhmmm, my ~~*music artists*~~ need more royalties
Really? I felt that way about the first movie but I thought the second one felt enough like Sonic.
>We get some scene of Tom getting his girl pregnant which causes some drama
I can already see it, and I'm scared.
Mario Movie was references galore it even had stuff like NES Classics along with Punch Out, DK Arcade, F-Zero and even Mario playing Kid Icarus
And I love both movies.
The frick more do people want from a Mario movie? Like yeah, Mario's motivations were pretty lazy, but its goddamn basic plot of the game. The fact that were even allowed to do an origin story is more story than any of the games.
And no, the fricking storybook in Galaxy does not count.
duh, how about introducing the rest of the cast, wario yoshi daisy? and yes rosalina, a mario galaxy movie would be incredible. They could also adapt super star saga or mario rpg, or luigi's mansion.
Is not hard to come up with a decent sequel.
The Mario movie was so fricking safe that I can't even say much about it - it looks pretty and that's it. It's a Nintendo love letter and made more money, and if that's all you care about then it's fine.
Why do people cry about this "safe" meme so much? Do you want another Mario 1993, or another movie that has dick-all to do with the games?
The Mario movie was bad though. Breakneck ADHD pacing with no real character development and teeming with nostalgic memberberry bullshit. I have no desire to see the sequel in theaters because of it, but I'll probably give the third Sonic movie a matinee viewing a few weeks after its initial release.
I fricking hated the Mario movie with a passion, Sonic Movie 2 was fricking amazing.
The Mario movie was ass
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Johnny worked with a fan to make a new Shadow theme.
Fricking sucks.
They shouldn't have cut this as the final boss theme
It just goes to show how cursed the entire project was where the developers lost track of artists for the music of their own game and couldn't include it lmao
Both are shit.
This will always be Shadow's theme to me.
I think they'll use Undefeatable, not Live and Learn
>Movie helmed by hardcore Shadow Chad
>Using game music in Shadow movie that doesn't tie into Shadow.
Paramount knows they'll be riots if they use any game song other then Live & Learn for this.
you'll get shitty generic pop music and rap, and you'll enjoy it
>"Is that Sonic.EXE?"
This sounds really stupid but i would honestly include the humans (at least his dad) in the film and i know the perfect way to do it
Toms dad is the one who shot Maria, Shadow goes apeshit and tries to kill Sonics dad
Tom and Stone fist fight on the space colony will be cool.
why the frick would a cop from bumfrick nowhere have to shoot a little girl on a space colony
His grand dad did, he said in the first movie that someone in his family has been protecting the town for 50 years, too specific a number for this franchise. Grandpa shot Maria and PTSD caused him to retire to be a small town cop.
Sage is a so cute and underrated in Sonic Threads
Nah. If you really want to include them, have either Tom or his wife be the one who talks Shadow into stopping the ARK.
no cause they have to bring amy into the series
so that job is her's
Do we have confirmation if Jim Carrey is back as Eggman?
No word yet. Movie's filming now so maybe that will leak in a month.
I'd be fine with Agent Stone succeeding him as the new Dr Eggman, but not yet. If we're dealing with Shadow's story, then we still need the same Eggman as the previous movies for the connection with Gerald and Maria.
This, it's the one film you can't cut him from
Absolutely. Jim Carrey can retire after he's done with this one. Please.
>Paramount TMNT and Sonic films
>Crossover Film
>Ralph & Knuckles
Coming out at the end of this year, I'll be an old man by then.
>I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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The only real Shadow theme is
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While the shadow posting good, thoughts on Shadow reloaded(STH Mod that reworks the game)?
Haven't played it but I did use the mod that cuts mission objectives to only needing 70ish percent which was a huge improvement.
What was the idea here? Having an edgelord version of sonic? What was Sega thinking of at the time?
Jak 2 was good, lets make that with sonic (actual reason)
shadow is so fricking cool
>the director of this movie is who we have to thank for the gif of Shadow wienering an SMG
Guaranteed weapons-grade POW-tested kino
I hope that rumor about a Sonic & Shadow team up game ends up being true.
Made by who?
Don't know, but it was talked about last month.
Off topic though. I saw some comic of Dark Sonic confronting Shadow. I was like hey that's cool. I check out other art from the artist... it's all Sonadow...
https://twitter.com/Drag0nartzz/status/1723736884193452121
I can fix her.
i would be surprised if shadow isn't heavily involved in the next game, they're probably anticipating him becoming hugely popular again after this movie so they're probably already working on something
Hopefully we can get shadow kino again, it's been over 18 years of shadow slop
Shadow never stopped being popular, that's why he still gets as much merch as everyone else. The only reason he vanished after 06 was because of swarms of idiots saying Sonic's friends are the reason that game is shit and the games should be classic characters only.
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You're not even good enough to bI'LLMAKEYOUEATTHOSEWORDS
I don’t know why, remade Movie Sonic looks fine to me but Shadow’s design feels really weird without the two pupil monoeye
There to cute. Conjoined eyes are edgier looking. The model at the end of movie 2 was just a placeholder though. I hope he has a more obvious patch of white fur in the middle of his eyes to give off the illusion of a mono eye
It's not final, Tails looked off too
kemoshota SEXXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>Super Mario Movie 2 after-credits
>"my god... Project Wario"
>well-endowed kemoshota SEXXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
ftfy
Both Jeff Fowler and Tyson Heese admitted that model is a hastily resprayed Sonic and he'll get a real model for 3.
https://twitter.com/fowltown/status/1729878127848157583
See, the new design has clasps on the inhibitor rings for the inevitable scene where Sonic thinks Shadow will be a easy 3v1 only to get his shit stomped after they come off.
IS THAT SONIC.EXE
Why does everyone but the hedgehogs look decent in this? Sonic's redesign is certainly better than the first one but he still looks weird.
>Aoi Yuuki thinks Shadow is sexy
Will she watch Sonic 3? She voices Sticks in the Japanese version by the way.
Who doesn't? Even lesbians admit Shadow is hot.
One day Mickey Mouse will genuinely say "Stopza!" in a movie and on that day we will have reached the promised land.
We will go beyond that! He'll go "Ultima!"
I do think I'd genuinely soiface if I saw this scene with a CG film quality budget.
More like Slopza!
>It's just 3 horus of NON STOP Big the Cat autistic fishing KINO
I'M SO FRICKING READY
He was supposed to cameo in 2 as a skeleton. I don't know if that means the film makers don't like him or if he's a lock for a cameo in 3.
Big has more mandates than even Shadow, going by what the Boom writers had said. Getting him in would have been obnoxiously difficult and they wouldn't have been able to do much with him if they had. Even in Prime, he's mostly just there to fill space.
Soon my fellow Big Chad, soon.
FROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGY
WHERE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARE YOU
Predict the Post-credits scene.
>GUN holding the Scepter of Darkness
Pic related
Nah, army of robots are boring cliff hanger, Metal Sonic at best.
This is what I was thinking. A Silver tease seems the most like, and knowing Flynn, Silver will be Shadow's descendant to complete the Goku-Vegeta-Trunks (or the Dante-Vergil-Nero) thing.
Flynn has nothing to do with the movies beyond being a lore consultant at best. Sega can mandate a few rules like the director confirming in the commentary track that Sega has banned Sonic from having a back story, (thus adopted by a different species) but Paramount controls the bulk of it.
>Silver
Hmm, who should play Elise?
Elise might get dropped as a character entirely.
I mainly said that as a joke. No way are they using Elise.
Zendaya
amy
turns out amy was a runaway princess from another kingdom
>Metal Sonic
We'd need Eggman for that and we don't know 100% as to what's the go there. Unless they have Agent Stone try and make him.
We need ShTH first so Shadow's 06 arc of being good even if he's feared or doubted makes sense
This based homie shows up. Setting up the heroes stuff and team dark into the movies
Would be based beyond belief
ULTIMATE LIFE-FORM DATA... HAS BEEN COPIED
Sonic.EXE cartridge delivered to the human guy Sonic's friend with.
>Shadow falls to Earth
*credits role*
>3 months later
>It shows him asleep in a base
>Deeper into the base are a bunch of Shadow Androids
>Deeper into the base are a bunch of Shadow Androids
I was going to talk shit about how much of a stupid idea this is but then I remembered this is what Heroes did. I hope they never make a movie based on it.
One of the extremely few "speedster runs on water" scenes where it accurately portrays that the sea isn't flat and has violent waves that can make it hard to run.
AMY WHEN!???
We're fighting tooth and nail for bat cleavage and you're still stuck on that bubblegum b***h?
>bubblegum b***h
Fricking RUDE of you.
>May
You really think it'd be that early? I'd honestly wager the trailer would be more around the August-ish time period.
In the trailer come May or so.
You know what'll probably happen? There'll probably be some miscellaneous quick shots/flashbacks of adventures with Sonic thwarting villainous plans, Stone or Eggman(if Carey reprises) will show up with Metal Sonic trying to get revenge, Amy shows up and gets kidnapped, Metal is easily thwarted, and when Stone/Eggman see this they'll look for a BETTER alternative and stumble upon Shadow's data.
This'll be the first 20-30 minutes of the movie.
I don't really care for Amy or Rogue but both are pretty critical to Shadow's character development in SA2 so I hope they're both in.
>hehe, whats the matter shadow, was hot topic closed?
>shouldnt you be trying to get my chemical romance tickets right now
>whoa dont cut yourself on that edge man
remind me why i should be excited for this slop again? im a turbo SA2 autist and i thought the second movie was even more unwatchable than the first
If Sonic actualy said shit about KMFDM and Hot topic or something to shadow that would be based. Instead hes gonna call him Eddie Brock
Out of curiosity, why was the second movie worse to you? For me its the opposite
the first movie felt different enough that even though i didn't like it i thought it was cute enough and could see it being enjoyable if i was a kid and not obsessed with sonic. the second had more sonic content but without any of the charm that I like the series for, when they introduced a more traditional sonic story it became more apparent that it lacked the attitude, the tryhard 90s cool stuff, shonen drama etc that i love the series for.
it also didn't hit the "trying to adapt weird old 2d games with minimal story into a movie" vibe that the OVA or like the mario movie have which is at least unique and charming even when bad. the ova and the satam cartoon both have weird OC interpretations of the series and I liked them, this just doesn't do it for me.
The humour also just didn't land for me, stuff like "donut lord" just feels like boring standard quirky kids movie writing. sonic calling a human guy dad also just feels like deviantart fanfiction to me.
not a big fan of the live action sonic design either.
also sick of every one of these animated movies having a scene where everyone dances, because dancing is funny i guess. it just feels lazy. oh the minions movie had a scene where everyone danced so we have to do that too, oh the mario movie had a scene where the bad guy sings which is funny cause he's the bad guy, lets do the exact same joke.
Understandable. For me it was always apparent that the movies lacked the true soul of what I enjoy the franchise for, and the humor and writing of both movies are on the same level, so movie 1 just ended up being more bland. Even if movie 2 was still just Sonic in name only, at least it had more of the name
I hate Ian. The End should have been way more than a fricking planet buster that shit is small-time
Shadows game Semi debunks Sonic being made in a lab, because of how it says that Gerald was unable to "complete" the project without the aid of black doom. I Enjoy that mandate because I prefer the theory that he just appeared one day as the ultimate life form
Theres nothing to prove that, but nothing to DISPROVE that either.
>oh the mario movie had a scene where the bad guy sings which is funny cause he's the bad guy
i bet this was because jack black would die if he can't be the center of attention doing his stupid singing gimmick
The Mario and Sonic movies being liked on here proves most of this site is fine with slop as long as it features fanservice pandering garbage that appeals to their sensibilities.
The Mario movie was meh and that's coming from someone that buys every non-sport Mario game.
What can people like that wouldn’t be defined as slop by you?
Sonic heroes
Sonic heroes
Give us a reason
And we're on our way
Lancer: There they are!
Gilgamesh: The mongrel's Servants!
Archer: Leave them to me, Lancer!
IS THAT SONIC EXE???
>何のファイルだ?
>座標です
>座標だと?何の
>「ぺらぺらぺら」
>なんてことだ。。。プロジェクト・シャドウか
Rouge will either not be in it or her breasts will be nerfed so I do not care.
shouldn't it be sonic disliking snake then, unless snakes VA hates his dad IRL?
They had issues IRL so Kojima forced them to meet for MGS4 to reconsile (Snake's VA's dad voices Big Boss) but it's purely "Snake is related to Eggman without knowing it so he instinctively hates Sonic".
I don't think people in Japan care enough about the VA to notice this joke. I'd rather the joke just be about the food chain.
Anon, VA are famous in japan
>VA are famous in japan
and not by choice. VA work pays peanuts for most people, so they have make do as idols or find another occupation on the side.
The point is that in Japanese know the VA first and the characters second, so the joke about snake being eggmans kid is not lost on the average Japanese
think they will reference Shadow using guns
They'll probably have him give em a try but find them junk compared to Chaos Spear.
Surge did that recently
Hope they take inspiration from this and combine the three songs for the climax
SHADOW'S THE COOLEST
I PLAYED STH ON PS2 WHEN I WAS 13
I THOUGHT HE WAS COOL THEN, AND I THINK HE IS COOL NOW
I don't get how this is supposed to make sense with the games plotline. I guess the story for the first two movies doesn't either so whatever.
Thoughts?
Man, the Twilight guy sounds sexy.
Who will be the "real baddie" of Sonic Movie 3 though?
1 - Biolizard? Somehow I doubt Hollywood would agree to that.
2 - Metal Sonic?
3 - Mecha Sonic?
Or something else entirely? Can't be fricking Perfect Chaos.
No idea beyond Bio-Lizard. Metal is a big fat jobber so Sonic and Shadow against him is an instant stomp.
It could be Gerald Robotnik assuming that Jim Carrey's Robotnik is actually dead
>Movie 3 only having Gerald Robotnik but no Ivo Robotnik
Honestly I like the sound of that. Not a bad idea if Carrey really has retired.
Maybe Brian Cranston can do it and they can justify it as him freezing himself as well.
Metal Sonic appearing in the movies is less "if" and more "when", so the odds of him appearing in Sonic 3 are extremely high.
I don't know. Would they really make a movie with two fake Sonics? Either Metal Sonic would be redundant or he'd steal focus from Shadow and ultimately neither would have a satisfying character arc.
I just don't see Metal because the OVA exists and Metal's just a goon now.
326 routes + last story.
If the chucklefricks at Hollywood can add Mechagodzilla to a film called "Godzilla vs. Kong", they sure as shit can make Metal the final boss in a Sonic vs. Shadow movie
Still say it should have been Bagan instead of Mechagodzilla, same with Godzilla x King and Skar King.
Bagan wasn't an option for the Monsterverse at the time of Godzilla VS Kong due to Toho being artistically restrictive of him. He's only recently debuted in something that isn't the old Super Godzilla game in Godziban.
And he got an animatronic/puppet for tours as well.
That too.
We either skip Adventure 1 and get Chaos or skip Heroes and get Metal Overlord
Shadow and we have an epic super sonic vs duper shadow fight that's essentially wizards fighting.
I don't think we're getting Metal Sonic yet, we gotta take our break from Eggman or he'll feel like a gag slapstick Tom & Jerry antagonist too much.
It will probably be either their take on Chaos or Gerald hijacking the big bad role.
All these silly people wanting Live and Learn, All Of Me, All Hail Shadow when we all know the REAL music that has to be in the movie or we riot....
What was your reaction to playing LAST for the first time?
I don't remember, I was 8 and I repressed my childhood from memory.
The underwater shit with knuckles was really hard because I didn't get the underwater necklace thing.
Pic related.
Up until the first movie released in 2018, I've only ever played Sonic 1, 2, 3&K, CD and Rush. But the 1st movie actually got me back into Sonic after years of not touching that franchise, and it made me play Adventure 1, Adventure 2 and Rush Adventure. I also played Heroes but never beat it (yet).
>I didn't get the underwater necklace thing.
Same here, that shit made me want to pull my hair out especially since I have this policy of "no FAQs or guides for first playthroughs".
>OOOOOOOOH LOOKS LIKE HE CAME BACK FOR MORE
WISHES
ARE
ETERNAL
I watched the Sonic X adaptation first, so not much
It was SOULful. It may have been cheesy and over the top, but it was a game made in 2000 for kids. It definitely felt like a proper ending to the game and it was hype as hell. But looking back on it, it makes me cringe a bit. I don't like the dialogue at all during the fight.
that's really fricked up
also, frick the knuckles segment was kinda hard (didn't have the gills, some bubbles don't respawn)
>I am on the cutting edge of Cumming and Getting
What did Jimbotnik mean by this?
Okay call it. Are we getting the original Shadow or the modern edgy one?
Original, director loves Shadow and the writer said he's mainly pulling from Adventure 2 and those two fixed Knuckle's.
>those two fixed Knuckle's.
...fixed Knuckle's what
Knuckle's is back to being tough and at worse, ignorant of modern society due to being raised on an island outside society instead of a brick brained moron.
I think he was referring to your punctuation. It's <Knuckles'> not <Knuckle's>.
Sick.
>Eggman learns about a secret weapon and breaks into a facility to retrieve it.
>Turns out the weapon is Shadow.
>Shadow tells Eggman about the Space Colony ARK and to meet him there.
>Rouge and Knuckles are fighting over the Master Emerald and it gets broken when Eggman shows up to try and take it for himself.
>Eggman/Shadow/Rouge all team up and most of the plot is them trying to gather the chaos emeralds.
>Eggman's motivation is word domination, Shadow wants revenge for his friend(Maria) getting murdered, Rouge is just a gem thief.
>Eggman threatens the world with the planetbusting space cannon on the ARK which sparks the whole race for the Emeralds, etc.
>The villain team essentially wins and the cannon is about to go off, but they're shown the manifesto of Gerald Robotnik who explains that GUN staged a coupe on the ARK which was a research facility, dedicated to finding a cure for a disease his daughter has, as well as other beneficial things for humanity.
>GUN went up on the ARK in secret and killed everyone up there, Maria included, and it was covered up.
>Shadow as the ultimate lifeform was an example of such progress as he's immortal or whatever.
>Robotnik was forced to work for GUN, and Shadow was captured. But right before Robotnik died, he was able to brainwash Shadow, essentially programming him as this sleeper agent who will enact his doomsday revenge plot should he ever be woken up.
>This is actually what Shadow did. Loading up the cannon with the Emeralds triggered Robotnik's trap of sending the ARK crashing to Earth to destroy humanity.
>Everybody except for Shadow scambles to work together to try and counteract this plan. Que hero/villain alliance while Shadow just stands by a window and waits for it to happen.
>Amy appears and actually makes a crucial contribution to the story by talking to Shadow about his motivation/revenge, and convinces him to help out.
1/2
>Shadow's memory gets unfricked by Amy, and he remembers that Maria didn't want him to get revenge, she wanted him to help humanity and make them happy.
>The prototype of the ultimate lifeform is this gigantic lizard(Biolizard) which is guarding the Master Emerald on the ARK.
>Shadow goes down to right/distract it so Knuckles(?) can get to the Emerald and stop the sequence.
>The Biolizard, being the prototype of Shadow, uses Chaos Control to attach itself to the outside of the ARK to force it to crash into Earth as a last resort.
>Sonic and Shadow go super and fight it until it gets too close to Earth, requiring them to use Chaos Control to put the ARK safely back into orbit.
>Shadow's super form ends and he falls to Earth and the game ends.
Absolute kino.
Why was Amy on Prison Island?
She caught a ride with Tails.
Amy was already on the island before Tails saw her with Eggman
SHE CAUGHT A RIDE WITH TAILS.
shoplifting
didnt she get shadow mixed up with sonic? maybe she followed him there?
QRD on every scene from the Hero Side, Dark Side and Last story.
>Please! They're killing Maria!
>WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME??
kek
Superman vs Batman is such an unintentionally hilarious movie in hindsight.
Someone remind me how many endings Shadow the Hedgehog has.
The only reason these shitty live action films keep making any money is because their associated with popular brands. Take that away and people would not give a single frick about the stories, acting, visuals ect. Its all because the consumers saw a familiar character in a trailer.
The first movie was entirely carried by Carrey though.
Jim Carrey is arguably a brand too
Congrats anon, you cracked the code
>Space Colony Arc in December.
I'm ready
Silver in the 4th movie or we riot
4th movie's plot leaked
I feel Sonic battle did a better job of continuing SA2's plot than Heroes did.
>I feel Sonic battle did a better job of continuing SA2's plot than Heroes did.
Explain?
Sonic Battle adds some lore to Shadow's creation and rounds out his character arc. His story acts as kind of an epilogue to SA2.
How many games are connected to SA1 and SA2?
Heroes and Shadow The Hedgehog.
And 06
I really need Coldsteel in the next sequel
I wonder how deep into this Sonic's role into the ultimate lifeform thing will go. chaos energy isn't entirely unique to him as knuckles has it. But gerald made Shadow into a hedgehog specifically. I hope they explain why movie gerald did that and where he even got the alien hedgehog dna from to even make shadow, along with the black doom dna he added too.
Hope they finally go with my shizo theory of Gerald making Shadow based on the mural in Angel Island
>your schizo theory
Would be cooler if he saw the hydrocity statues tbh. They actually look like Sonic. And who knows if the island is a thing in them. If it was, its not on earth probably. Most likely be another hidden owl place on the planet
its not schizo its canon
Where did they ever say he saw that mural?
an anon on this very same board told me about it, hes probably in this thread right now even
Why is Sonic's peel-out running just so cool?
Tails also has the weird trail of colored light behind him when he starts moving super fast, though he hasn't displayed the arcs of energy yet.
Would they even want to touch Black Doom? The Shadow game's story was such a mess that I don't know if they'd want to touch it. I could see Doom being the twist villain if Carrey is gone.
post yfw they give shadow his own slow down time scene where he does cool shit to cool music
>Make Shadow the Hedgehog movie.
>All the edge is removed from it and they add Team Dark kino.
>Completely redeeming what the game did.
>Sonic 1
Sonic and Eggman
>Sonic 2
Tails and Knuckles
>Sonic 3
Shadow and Rouge
Who will be in Sonic 4 and Sonic 5?
4 is Silver and Omega
5 is Blaze and Marine
4 will be Silver and Blaze.
Stop pairing Silver and Blaze. c**t.
Dont let the shippers hear that
I think its funny and cool both Sonic and Shadow this time around really are similar with their backstories. I hope they play into that
>I think its funny and cool both Sonic and Shadow this time around really are similar with their backstories. I hope they play into that
If it involves even the slightest hint as to where Sonic came from, Sega will block it.
Well this is paramount who can have more of a say with things and a different universe so who knows. Either way I hope its done well
Jeff literally said in the 1st movie's director commentary Sonic had to be adopted by a different species because Sega doesn't want Sonic to have an origin story.
Sonic has an origin story, he was created by Doctor Kintobor
SoA bullshit that has been dropped.
intredasting
any other big popular characters that don't have origin stories?
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoOriginStoriesAllowed
>Sonic 4
Amy and the Chaotix
>Sonic 5
Silver and Blaze
Also Big will be there somewhere
The ending credits will be Doom's Eye having rescued Shadow instead of Eggman
>This is not your grave... but you are welcome in it.
What if Shadow gets a tv show like a Knuckles?
>Implying Jeff The Mad Lad Fowler won't adapt Shadow The Hedgehog into an apocalypse movie.
Bring to me /sthg/'s strongest
Bring to me /sthg/'s fastest
and lastly Bring to me the /sthg/ user who is a licensed pilot
I will end them here and now
WE ALL DANCED IN FIRE
THE MOON IS SHINING FOR YOU
IT KNOWS THAT I ADORE YOU
COME ALONG FOR THE RIDE
TRUTH CAN RUN BUT NOT HIDE
TOGETHER WE CAN OVERCOME ALL THE ODDS
IT'S NEVER AS HARD AS IT SEEMS
I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU'RE THINKING AS YOU TURN TO ME
CAUSE WHAT I HAVE IN MY TWO HANDS IS ENOUGH TO SET ME FREE
SIMPLE CURIOSITY
TRY TO TAKE MY ENERGY
LET ME SHOW YOU JUST
WHAT
I'M
MADE
OF
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
BUT YOU CAN HARDLY SWALLOW
YOUR FEARS AND PAAAAAAAAIN
I wonder how team dark would even form in the movies if it happens. would olive garden guy make it a thing?
>You are a watchful shadow over the world
I want Shadow to be as fricking angsty as it comes.
His story is how he wants to burn the world for killing Maria, and he is fine being Gerald's tool for doing so. And it's not until he remembers her final wish that he decides that her will was more important than punishment
OMG IS THAT SONIC.EXE???
Does Blaze show up in Silver's movie or does she get her own?
Considering Blaze is Silver's sidekick I don't see why she wouldn't show up in the inevitable Sonic '06 movie.
Also the final boss should've been Silver vs Mephiles, since he's the literal symbol of all of Silver's suffering. A full-on Trunks killing Future Cell moment.
she'll be paired with shitver unfortunely
>It's no use
lol. But seriously, would be terrible to see her first appearance in them with that rat instead of the better rush stuff
>No Amy
You would think they would want to add her for a girl power feminist icon
She'll be there, Sega's pushed her too hard these last few years.
I could see them merging Rouge and Amy roles in the story
Amy's entire role in this story is to remind Shadow of Maria's last wish.
That could be accomplished by anyone.
What were the themes, morals and messages of SA1, SA2 and 06?
Rouge is cooler
Is the logo soul?
Pure Unadulterated Soul
It is now.
But what is going to be the wedding scene of movie 3?
How are they going to force the human characters into the story?
Probably the same way they did in Sonic X. With an added fight scene between Tom and someone.
Just SA2?
>Biolizard is lame.
>Black Doom will be in Shadow's movie.
Who the frick is the final boss?
>Mecha Sonic? (both?)
>Metal Sonic?
>Fricking Chaos?
You don't understand SA2.
Gerald is the antagonist, not some fricking lizard.
He orchestrated the end of the world from beyond the grave by sealing Shadow away and manipulating his memories to compel him to destroy the world. Shadow is the villain right up to him activating the collision course with Earth, then Amy reminds him what Maria what really wanted, and then he stops it from happening.
Yeah that's fine, pseud post me later.
Who the frick is going to be the final boss as far as fighting goes?
I'm not pseud posting anything, this is literally the plot of the game, you dialogue skipping moron.
The final boss is stopping the space colony from crashing into Earth since the Biolizard has been designed by Gerald to take over the space colony and kamikaze into earth. That's why it's the final boss, they have to kill it to take over the station again.
>had a friend since middle school that was huge into Sonic and Shadow specifically
>Hung out with him on and off for almost 15 years doing a lot of gaming and other stuff
>Talked a bit less as we grew up but I still tried to stay in contact here and there
>Last message I sent to him before he suddenly disappeared for good was me telling them I was gonna play the old Shadow the Hedgehog game that he loved
>have no idea to this day why he ghosted me or where he went off to
Wherever you are Connor, I miss you bro, and I'll be thinking of you when I watch Sonic 3.
>that was huge into Sonic and Shadow specifically
Why is this so common? Why Sonic and Shadow?
What I mean is that he was part of the Sonic fandom, but his favorite character by far was Shadow.
Amy should have been playable for one mission in the last part of SA2. A mission where she has to get to the room Shadow is in or something, since she's playable in the multiplayer.
This scene is inevitable.
The boss fight would have been so much cooler without all the back and forth banter and eggman coming in on the radio(?) that they aren't holding or wearing an ear piece. Especially considering they are in the vacuum of space. Just music and explosion/laser sounds.
Sonic fans have such shit taste. Only good thing about the movies was Jim Carey. These movies could've just been fully animated and cut out all the stupid human bullshit besides Eggman. The second they made it a cgi/live-action fish out of water story with real humans should've set off enough red flags, but no. We are stuck with this shit because Sonic fans are low, they would probably watch the Yogi Bear movie if it was repackaged as a Sonic spin-off of another character be none the wiser. The Mario movie sucked ass, but at least Nintendo has the common decency to not cheap out completely and have it fully animated.
It isn't just Sonic fans, no one has standards any more. All these stupid fricking video game movies, Dragon Ball, Pokémon... so much abject garbage that people lap up without a second thought.
>Only good thing about the movies was Jim Carey
Way to expose yourself as the normie NPC Carey was hired to bring in, fool.
im a huge sonic fan and i thought the movies were unwatchable, especially the second.even live action could've worked if they cut out the shitty characters like donut lord and used the regular modern models instead of the weird furry sonic
I dont think I can stand a third sonic movie. I have no idea why people enjoy them, the humans ruin everything to the point where its like a live action sonic x
I cannot fricking wait for the scene where shadow decides to undo his actions and help the good guys, but instead of amy its the loud screaming black women who just blast into the room with some kind of forklift with a sci-fi weapon attached. and who can forget the dance scene?
every kids movie needs a song and a dance scene
>getting wienery after losing in the first place
Fricking b***h, he'll regenerate and behead you.
How the hell are they going to explain Gerald Robotnik creating something that looks exactly like Sonic? Is the Biolizard going to be in as well? Are we gonna see Black Doom giving Gerald some genetic samples of a being from Mobius?
I like to think that maria raped shadow
I would rather the sonic movie be safe "I CLAPPED WHEN I RECOGNIZED IT" than the generic snooze-fest it is now
>I would rather the sonic movie be safe "I CLAPPED WHEN I RECOGNIZED IT" than the generic snooze-fest it is now
And it would fricking bomb and you'd never get another film again. You can only have your fricking notion of multiple Sonic films because Fowler and the rest of his team understand that nobody gives a shit about Sonic's poorly built world outside of diehard Sonic autists. A full Sonic film in the style of the Mario movie with the environments and references galore not only wouldn't take like the Mario movie did, it would probably bankrupt whoever tried it. You'd need an Avatar tier budget to even do it convincingly and nobody will approve that for fricking Sonic of all things.
That and,Game Sonic's world does not work and can never work in a film. Even ignoring the budgetary constraints that would occur trying to put even half the locations in the games into the films, there is no actual world or background they can develop for the setting that would in any way entice people. Opening with Sonic fighting Eggman and nothing else would lead to an empty theater and reviews bombing the shit out of the movie - people would not care. And trying to do even bare minimum set-up would piss off game autists. Sega hasn't provided shit to even give people a baseline to work off of if you want a 1:1 recreation of the games and what little they have given is either completely contradictory and lacks internal consistency or gets retconned whenever some bored senior executive decides to change it.
Sonic as a film can literally only work in the Sonic X format of them being stranded on Earth, with the introduction of game elements being gradual over time. Trying to dive headfirst into the wider Sonic stuff will always fail because there is no hook to entice people and we are well past the era where Sonic media had enough good will to coast-by on simple word of mouth alone.
Not the anon your replying to, but Sonic's world can work - just not for movies. It's a perfect fit for series though, and has shown success numerous times in the past.
I don't get how people can say stuff like this, and have always said stuff like this, when the criticism of anything trying to adapt Sonic to TV and Film were that they weren't enough like the games. I don't think anyone watched Sonic X for Chris, and I doubt anyone went to the movies for the humans in the Sonic movies.
Personally, I think that the Sonic Adventure games could absolutely be adapted into movies with minimal changes, but it's just a case of budget for CGI these days.
Anyway, as for this movie's big bad, I imagine Black Doom/Black Arms aliens are going to appear and chuck their comet at the earth, which will kinda take the place of the space colony doing the same at the end of SA2. I don't expect anything after the third movie, given most movie franchises seem to peter out by the third, and then go straight to streaming/home release if they carry on after a third, along with a noticeable drop in quality. I imagine the director must know that, and would therefore want to put everything he can into this last Sonic movie.
>I don't get how people can say stuff like this, and have always said stuff like this, when the criticism of anything trying to adapt Sonic to TV and Film were that they weren't enough like the games.
And the can't be like the games because nobody cares about the games' 'setting' enough to do so.
> I don't think anyone watched Sonic X for Chris
Most people didn't watch Sonic X, even in the West.
>and I doubt anyone went to the movies for the humans in the Sonic movies.
Almost all of the non-diehard autists actually enjoy the humans in the movies. This is just about the only place that endlessly b***hes about them.
>Anyway, as for this movie's big bad, I imagine Black Doom/Black Arms aliens are going to appear and chuck their comet at the earth, which will kinda take the place of the space colony doing the same at the end of SA2. I don't expect anything after the third movie, given most movie franchises seem to peter out by the third, and then go straight to streaming/home release if they carry on after a third, along with a noticeable drop in quality. I imagine the director must know that, and would therefore want to put everything he can into this last Sonic movie.
Jeff Fowler absolutely won't toss in the Black Arms into the third film and I have no idea why that would be your first thought. It will lost likely be Chaos or the Biolizard.
>Sonic and Shadow have their climactic fight outside the ARK
>both are worn out, winded, and near collapse
>a shadow falls over them and the station
>they look up
>cut to the sun being eclipsed, revealing this
How would you feel?
Not going to work outside of a big culmination big bad across multiple films. It would be blowing their load too early.
My sources tell me it's going to be Kevin Hart. Do with that info as you will.
Probably for motion capture reasons
Meant for
>Metal Sonic appears
>this starts playing
So they're going to combine Perfect Chaos and the Biolizard into the same entity, right? This story is going to be SA1 and SA2 combined.
God I fricking hope not
I'm praying that the Knuckles TV show will be an adaptation of Adventure 1, but i doubt it.
>Check the artist
>He has a fetish for super heroines murdering male heroes with their boobs and asses
Why can't they draw stuff like that as a joke?
>Shadow
This movie is going to flop. Imagine not going with Sonic’s best rival.
Shadow is the most popular character in the entire franchise. Using Metal over him is financial suicide.
You already got a movie. Don't be greedy
IS THAT SOINC.EXE????!
LOL how do you know what Sonic.exe is but not Shadow?
Gen Alpha grew up with tablets and youtube as a babysitter. Makiplier and bam.
Bros, realistically, how will they handle Rouge? Do you think she will have full booba, will they be heavily deflated, or no cleavage at all? Will they just cover her in fur so she fits in with the others better? unfortunatley, i think that's the most likely
Rouge will most likely appear in the Knuckles series first.
>booba
They have no real reason to deflate them, but if you're watching these movies to goon, you'll probably be disappointed anyway.
I'm more so wondering how Rouge would be explained in the movie. All the furries so far have been aliens but by SA2, they were supposed to be coexisting with humans. I love the idea of the US government trying to recruit a super animal like Sonic and going with the one that had the fattest breasts.
Sex
>most of the thread is a moron failing to understand why this multimedia franchise has different versions of the character
>endlessly praises the games which have been terrible for fricking decades and are only just now redeeming themselves
Yep. It's a Sonic thread all right.
Cast Maria
Chloe Moretz
>cute teenage blonde white girl
>2015+9
Not happening.
what the frick is wrong with human girls in sonic verse, they seem to have an affinity for the 'hog
>Implying its just in sonics verse
Me? Far left
Send me your contact information
>grown men are unironically excited for blue rat pedo movie
it's beyond pathetic
Yes, b***h boy
Post some cringy edge 2000's kino
big fat bat tats or we riot
Female spinoff when?
I never realized Shadow has old man eyebrows
It's literally a re-sprayed Sonic. Wait for the 3 model before thinking that.
Fair enough, but then I will say Shadow as he appears in 2 has old man eyebrows.
EAT SHIT REDDITBOB!
>shadow when he sees sonic "extended family"
I AM ALL A YAM ALL A YAM
I YAM WHAT I YAM AND THAT'S ALL THAT I YAM
>first film: Sonic 1
>second film: Sonic 2/3 and Knuckles
>third film: Adventure 2/Shadow the Hedgehog(apparently)
what would even be done for a fourth film? I feel like Perfect Chaos would be a better fit for that Knuckles TV show(that was supposed to come out last year, has it been cancelled?)
Maybe the movie will solve the jet shoes argument by having Sonic disable them only for Shadow to reveal they're powered by his Chaos Energy so slowing him down only increases his physical strength. Would tie in nicely to 06 slowing him down in place of more combat powers.