Now that it's all over, we can all agree this was the best battle in the entire show, right?

Now that it's all over, we can all agree this was the best battle in the entire show, right?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    One of them at least.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's certainly up there, I'd say ash vs sawyer is better in terms of animation. A remaster of this fight with the newer animation would be great.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This battle with XY's art style and Charizard vs Pikachu's animation would be ridiculously cool, but too much to hope for.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >XY's art style
        I mean if you WANT it to turn into soulless chinese mobile game ad tier garbage then go ahead I guess.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >muh animation
      Bet you'd enjoy a shit sandwich if it was decorated with sprinkles.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >in terms of animation
      most of it was under 3 fps you fucking XY clown

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      all flash and no substance. Sums up XY.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah
    They even put it into the the very last opening of the ashnime

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    One of them, but it gets too much praise. It's honestly not nearly as good without the build up and context. Ash vs Leon and Ash vs Kukui both beat it. I'd say it ties with Ash vs Shota, the latter closing the gap via animation and music.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Ash vs Shota
      As opposed to Satoshi vs Sawyer?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it's honestly not nearly as good without the build up and context.
      >The battle is not good if you remove of the reasons why it it was so good
      Wooooooooooooooooooooow.
      In that case let's remove the sakuga of Ash vs Shota and let's also remove the sakuga and Pikachu's getting a power of friendship boost by all the reserves cheering on him from the void from Leon's battle too.
      And of course we should also not take into account Pikachu vs Tapu Koko for the Kukui battle either.
      Fucking retard.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ash vs Leon was trash, not even the best battle of the M8. 3 minutes of good Pikachu animation at the end, and the only reason people liked it is because Pikachu won.
      Ash vs Kukui is fine, but Pauls was better

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This. Ash vs Leon was carried by the final clash of Pikachu vs Charizard so hard it hurts.
        Without that it would have been average to good at best. Animation until then had been nothing special and the build-up for it, like so many other things in Journeys, had been so piss-poor it completely lacked in weight.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Anything involving Pikachu taking down an uber Pokemon is so cringe it eclipses the animation due to unrealistic it is.

          No matter how well animated a fight is, seeing a large monster getting ragdolled/overwhelmed by a tiny rat is nothing short of comedy.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Its what charitard deserves

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Charizardino
            >Uber
            LOL
            Remember, no KOs.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous
              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                KWAB

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >And lost to tinychu

              It's over for zardfags. They will never live this down regardless of how many forms they get,

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              could be worse i guess, could lose to a pokemon that was born a week ago

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >could be worse i guess,
                It really cant, charizard was absolutely pathetic in the final. 0 KOs and lost to a Pikachu 2v1. Ash exposed Leon
                the only good thing was that 3 minutes of good animation and seeing Pikachu kick its ass + the undignied way it fainted, easy to make fun of

                How come nobody really acknowledges that Paul is the anime version of Silver in the same way that Ash is the anime version of Red?

                >Paul is the anime version of Silver
                He is. But better
                Paul is the best rival in the franchise

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I agree. I feel like Paul/Tobias are last hype battles of the series. Every "last" battle after that was just Pikachu/Greninja clashing with whatever last mon the opponent has.
          >Pikachu vs Tapu Koko
          >Greninja vs Charizard and x times Sceptile
          >Pikachu vs Charizard
          On top of the gimmick of the year retardation, It turned into typical shounen battle gayry and Ash just not winning with whatever mon he had left. Even black and white were more interesting in its league battles and those battles were TRASH.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yeah the gimmicks feel so weird as someone who watched OS-DP

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      One of the best. Its hard to pinpoint the truly best battle in the anime.

      Based

      worst final season battle*

      Shut the fuck up Cameron you retarded piece of shit. You will always be the worst thing to ever happen to the anime.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ash's Charizard vs Articuno should be there

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it is

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Cameron
        Just hearing that name upsets me. I don't mind watching Ash lose if he goes down in a blaze of glory. But Cameron just clowned on him. God damn.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ash should rematch Cameron's Lucario to crush it with his own superior model

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If they had to make him lose then it should have been against the guy with a full Eeveelution team rather than a literal retard who thought he needed 7 badges, didn’t register, had only one fully trained mon and a bunch of jobbers and went in with 5 Pokémon.its even more baffling that they set the Eeveelution guy up as a rival yet Ash never battled the guy at all during the league and he was the one who won the dam thing.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I will seriously never understand what the fuck they were thinking with the BW anime.
            Even with things like Tobias and Kalos League you can "see the logic" but there's just no way for anything with BW.
            You can't even use muh soft-reboot as logic since unlike Indigo it was not a lesson in "hubris" or anything. There was absolutely nothing going for it.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              One of reasons people hate gen 5

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I hate how S/M looks so fucking bad in screencaps. It looks great in motion but so stupid in stills.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Artstyle matters.
          You can have all the sakuga in the world but it'll look like shit if the artstyle is shit.
          Pain vs Naruto is very well animated, but you know what? No one fucking likes it because it's unpleasant to the eye.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >No one fucking likes it because it's unpleasant to the eye.
            But that's the thing, it's not unpleasant to the eye at all as long as you don't press pause. In fact I'd argue it's the most visually appealing artstyle out of all the gens.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Well, you are entitled to your opinion, but many disagree with you.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It's honestly not nearly as good without the build up and context
      Duuuuh

      That's why it's so good, moron

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Solo'd a third of Ash's team
    What the fuck was Paul feeding this thing?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He got it from Kincaid

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ash vs Leon is the best battle in the series, hands down.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      worst final season battle*

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous.

    >lose to Ash
    >be so ashamed that you refuse to participate in the biggest tournament in the world
    >no excuse like Gary who has been researching shit and doing missions for a while.
    Paul is a bitch.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You can't job at the Masters 8 if you don't participate in the Masters 8. That was Alain's mistake.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    And the best settled rivalry too

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In the end, I guess it's appropiate that Ash's journey ended in a battle for KANTOOOOOOOOOOOO Supremacy

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >first league lost
      >Ash Charizard vs Ritchie Pikachu
      >lose
      >final world championship
      >Ash Pikachu vs Leon Charizard
      >win
      I kneel PikaGODs

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        then why couldn't he beat Alain Zard before it mega'd?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It wasn't down to the final stretch between charizard and pikachu.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's very good, and probably the fight with the most emotional impact. It wasn't just a league loss on the line, it was his very viewpoint on the treatment of his pokemon.
    My only complaint was having Torterra job hard and maybe Paul using literally who's instead of team members that Ash needed some revenge on, like that beast of an Ursaring.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >like that beast of an Ursaring
      Eh, seeing Infernape beat it a fourth time would've been boring

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >having Torterra job hard
      Silly anon, that was the running theme of the sinnoh arc. It was never allowed to truly shine with a lose streak that made ash unova mons and his pathetic dragonite blush.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Paul using a different team I give a pass since that's very in-character for Paul.
      Torterra's never being allowed to win even once after it evolved is one of DP's biggest black stains, if not the biggest. It's specially awful since Paul's Torterra gave it training and tips on how to deal with his newer bulkier slower body.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How come nobody really acknowledges that Paul is the anime version of Silver in the same way that Ash is the anime version of Red?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What are you talking about? I've seen people making that comparison for years now

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He's literally the same character withe the same arc besides the angstiness.

            Even his design is somewhat reminiscent of Silver's design

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It was honestly. Pauls Torterra had more wins than Ash's. Seeing it use Stone Edge made me reconsider how I felt about it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >My only complaint was having Torterra job hard

      Ash sucks with quadrapeds and bulky mons (unless they are fast moving like Snorlax)

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Paul had to replace half his team with jobbers because the writers couldn't come up with any better way to justify Ash winning.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Reminds me of Ash vs Gary in Johto League where a Pikachu vs Umbreon rematch was a no-brainer but neither were even on their teams.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Paul using literally who's instead of team members that Ash needed some revenge on
      Well that was kind of the point. Ash is a sentimentalist trying to achieve an emotional victory meanwhile Paul is a pragmatist who couldn't give less of a shit about things like that.
      Ash and Paul were perfect foils of each other. If Ash would do one thing then Paul would probably do the opposite and vice versa. That's a large part of why their rivalry was so great.
      Like if Paul was a more generic less-interesting douchebag rival he'd actually probably would have used his Lake Acuity team to try to flex on Ash by beating him with the same team twice. But Paul is too interesting of a character to go for such an obvious cliche.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It was hilarious seeing his Drapion fold shit left and right. Just like Leon, Ash won with gimmick gayry
        >Use Close Combat on the ground!
        >Use Flare Blitz under the arena!
        >Use Ice Aqua Jet!
        >Infernape use your super secret awesome sauce special ability and literally become unkillable!

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! YOU CAN'T JUST THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX!"
          >"YOU HAVE TO DO LE HECKIN WHOLESOME 100 CHUNGUS TURN BASED 1996 GAMBOY JRPG FITE!"

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Riddle me this then gay, why did no one else use such gimmicks? Paul used counter shield ONCE and every trainer after battled like normal. Tell me what other trainer has had mons invent new moves? Or have a gimmick linked to only it? Or faint repeatedly and get back up to tank more attacks? Go on ill wait. Explain to me why Infernape 1 shotting Aggron is accepted but criticism of it using MUTIPLE flare blitzes and getting hit by Electivire is not. Bet your stupid ass thinks Pikachu being knocked out for over 2 minutes is just le heckin nail baiting awesome shounen and not some stupid ass pull to make Ash win. Fuck out my face gay, that's why the best battles are when Ash gets his ass reamed despite his Arceus power.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Holy autism Batman!

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Are people saying Ash vs Leon is bad just to be contrarians or be edgy?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Not dicksucking it as the best fight ever in the history of the anime because of one single standout scene = saying it is bad
      Meds.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Seems like it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It was only good at the last minute

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yep, it made drapion my favorite pokemon

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Actually Ash facing Paul at the lake was the peak. But they had two episodes for that shit.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Paul was so good they brought him back to the show to train Ash for the master's league (and it worked!).

    DP was one of the longer generations, so you had 4 years leading up. They had multiple fights and rematches over that time, and Ash felt like the definitive underdog. 3 episode length was rare, and reinforced how even they were with constant back-and-forth strategies. Other fights just don't compare.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The craziest thing is, as per usual with Journeys, Paul's return was something they thought and decided on at the last minute and was not planned at all and yet it was by far the best return and was one if not the returnee treated with the most respect.
      He's such a good character that even the fucking hacks in charge of the anime nowadays couldn't find a way to fuck him up.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the only gripe I have is he didn't use his electivire

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nah, that was part of the soul and a show of how much Paul has grown-up. He was not there to tryhard it up but to train Ash.
          More importantly, the fact that he could match up PM Ash with three Pokemon he raised for the express purpose of training Ash, not his A Listers, says a lot about how strong he still is.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I might just be nostalgiafagging, but I always liked the one at the end of Johto where the guy (Harrison, I think?) brings out Blaziken vs Ash's Charizard

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      League was the highlight of the Johto part for sure.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is by far the best battle of the series when it comes towards strategy on both sides and ashes unique quick thinking but XY has it beat only in terms of animation. If Ash vs Paul had the XY animation it would be # 1 for sure.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Pikachu vs Raichu
    >Charizard vs Magmar
    >Ash vs Team Rocket for the Earth Badge
    >The Indigo League
    >Ash vs Drake
    >Ash vs Harrison
    >Ash vs Gary
    >The Hoenn League
    >Ash vs Paul mutiple times
    >Paul vs Brandon
    >Paul vs Cynthia
    >Ash vs Tobias
    >Ash vs Frontier Brains
    >The Sinnoh League

    Those are the best battles imo. Honorable mentions go to Alain, Kukui, and Shotas battles.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    we are still yet to see the end, ash could fight red or his dad and that might surpass it
    just kidding this anime isn't written by fanfiction writers though ash vs leon would make it seem like it was

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Top 3 (not ordered) are Ash vs Paul, Ash vs Leon and Ash vs Kukui.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Paul's Ursaring was Chimchar's personal jobber
    Infernape would've beaten him easily

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It was good, but I prefer the one at lake Acuity, even if Ash got his ass kicked.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I love that battle cause the retard went on that cocky "im moral thus im better" bullshit and Paul fucking smeared his ass against the floor.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    On a scale from Vegeta to Kaiba how good is Paul as a rival?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He's at least a Hiei

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sinnoh League and Battle Frontier were the peak of the anime.

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