They already use streaming, where it makes sense. From your own hardware to your own devices or your friends' for co-op.
These. Remember Gaben is an engineer, not a suit. An incredibly fricking lazy one, but an engineer. Why would he try to make something that doesn't work?
Stupid fanboys will always be stupid fanboys.
He will never enter streaming properly because he does not want to pay for the server cost when his servers can barely handle keeping Steam up for 7 days a week.
You need a great infrastructure for that. Google unironically was the only one right now with a grid good enough to make that work, but unfortunately they lacked in knowledge of this market and it's public, and made a format that was simply not appealing
Steam works as a company because as Gaben said himself, they get too much money considering how little is their workforce. They don't have the hardware for that, and even trying to invest on it have the potential to make them go bankrupt
>They don't have the hardware for that, and even trying to invest on it have the potential to make them go bankrupt
Valve pays way more for Steam upkeep than Google ever did for Stadia and it's not even close.
Valve screwed over the Artifact fanbase by cancelling the Artifact 2.0 beta without even allowing users to invite friends like they said they would in January 2021 and does not deserve your financial support for these gross consumer-unfriendly practices.
They already do have a streaming thing for faking local co op. Atleast I assume that it involves streaming I've never used it
They don't go into streaming for anything else because it's fricking moronic.
No, it can't. It doesnt matter how good your internet connection is. There is nothing that can be done to fix the fact that the signal needs to travel from your computer, then to an internet device, then to a data centre somewhere that may be hundreds or thousands of kilometres away. This will ALWAYS have more input delay that playing on a local machine. Cloud gaming will always be dead on arrival.
speak for yourself mate, i regularly use the steam link across my house (over wifi) and it works perfectly. im not playing online games or anything, but even shooters feel good
thats different. You're still playing on a computer in your home. Im talking about stadia or PSNow types of services. There is still input delay, even if your subjective opinion tells you it's "perfect"
i finished at least 5 games playing on geforce now, and the input delay, while undeniably noticeable, was never that big to make those games unplayable
obviously i'm not talking about first person shooters, racing games, or any kind of game where fricked up input delay can and will cause issues, but it's definitely not as bad as being "dead on arrival"
I have like 150ms ping with inhouse streaming. Might just be because of my shitty laptop but anyway.
Gabe plays games, he is not a business men in a suit trying to explain to people why they need nft
The abject failure of Stadia is a great reason not to try it themselves. It's not like Google lacked the resources or technical skill to make it successful. And that's a good thing
The fact it's a terribly stupid idea which will never catch on due to American ISPs being garbage-tier.
Nvidia is throwing their hat in to it, though, since Jacketman decided that grafix cards are only for Saudi billionaires. I don't know if they followed up on that paid subscription nvidia access thing where you paid to have a game streamed to you running off 3090s they have racked up somewhere.
if Stadia failed even with the practically-infinite resources of google and also the infrastructure to make game streaming seem feasible in the first place, what makes you think Valve would have a chance without either of those things?
> what's stopping
Good business sense.
These. Remember Gaben is an engineer, not a suit. An incredibly fricking lazy one, but an engineer. Why would he try to make something that doesn't work?
Stupid fanboys will always be stupid fanboys.
He will never enter streaming properly because he does not want to pay for the server cost when his servers can barely handle keeping Steam up for 7 days a week.
>An incredibly fricking lazy one, but an engineer
You don't need to be redundant with it you know
Not being severely moronic
Having an IQ above 5
They already use streaming, where it makes sense. From your own hardware to your own devices or your friends' for co-op.
The fact Nvidia beat them to it. Valve don't operate in saturated markets that they can't dominate.
You need a great infrastructure for that. Google unironically was the only one right now with a grid good enough to make that work, but unfortunately they lacked in knowledge of this market and it's public, and made a format that was simply not appealing
Steam works as a company because as Gaben said himself, they get too much money considering how little is their workforce. They don't have the hardware for that, and even trying to invest on it have the potential to make them go bankrupt
>They don't have the hardware for that, and even trying to invest on it have the potential to make them go bankrupt
Valve pays way more for Steam upkeep than Google ever did for Stadia and it's not even close.
not being totally moronic
that pretty rare in the gaming industries
Thanks, doktor
Hey thanks doc
The fact that most people don't have a very fast internet speed that allows them to play games without much latency?
It's funny because I tried to play Fallen Order on xCloud, and it sucks most of the time.
streaming is decent for vns and turnbased games.
i just use it to play srw and do side bullshit in troonymmo
The idea is kind of stupid.
Valve screwed over the Artifact fanbase by cancelling the Artifact 2.0 beta without even allowing users to invite friends like they said they would in January 2021 and does not deserve your financial support for these gross consumer-unfriendly practices.
They already do have a streaming thing for faking local co op. Atleast I assume that it involves streaming I've never used it
They don't go into streaming for anything else because it's fricking moronic.
Because coud gaming is an inherently flawed technology that can never bet fixed. Input lag cannot be fixed.
it can be but internet infrastructure has too many variables. the technology is there but the internet isn't.
>it can be
No, it can't. It doesnt matter how good your internet connection is. There is nothing that can be done to fix the fact that the signal needs to travel from your computer, then to an internet device, then to a data centre somewhere that may be hundreds or thousands of kilometres away. This will ALWAYS have more input delay that playing on a local machine. Cloud gaming will always be dead on arrival.
Your point is correct, but I can tell you're on a cable-modem hub architecture.
yeah i am.
speak for yourself mate, i regularly use the steam link across my house (over wifi) and it works perfectly. im not playing online games or anything, but even shooters feel good
thats different. You're still playing on a computer in your home. Im talking about stadia or PSNow types of services. There is still input delay, even if your subjective opinion tells you it's "perfect"
Also, I never got the use case of steam link. Why not just use pic related
what am I looking at here?
I can't help you.
hdmi cable that doubles as an ethernet
Unless your house spans the length of an entire continent your anecdote is literally worthless
i finished at least 5 games playing on geforce now, and the input delay, while undeniably noticeable, was never that big to make those games unplayable
obviously i'm not talking about first person shooters, racing games, or any kind of game where fricked up input delay can and will cause issues, but it's definitely not as bad as being "dead on arrival"
The signal still has a physical limit: the speed of light.
And it unironically is not fast enough to make certain types of games acceptable to be played via streaming.
The idea is not entirely pointless, but it excludes entire genres. It can have a place in the industry, but never be it's cornerstone.
I have like 150ms ping with inhouse streaming. Might just be because of my shitty laptop but anyway.
Gabe plays games, he is not a business men in a suit trying to explain to people why they need nft
The abject failure of Stadia is a great reason not to try it themselves. It's not like Google lacked the resources or technical skill to make it successful.
And that's a good thing
Google absolutely lacks the technical skill to make it successful. It took them two years to realize negative latency can't exist.
The fact it's a terribly stupid idea which will never catch on due to American ISPs being garbage-tier.
Nvidia is throwing their hat in to it, though, since Jacketman decided that grafix cards are only for Saudi billionaires. I don't know if they followed up on that paid subscription nvidia access thing where you paid to have a game streamed to you running off 3090s they have racked up somewhere.
cloud gaming being ass
GeForce Now is exactly that.
Steam link is doing its job
Are there people that actually like their games looking like they are watching a video of the game being played?
if Stadia failed even with the practically-infinite resources of google and also the infrastructure to make game streaming seem feasible in the first place, what makes you think Valve would have a chance without either of those things?