Now that the dust has settled

>speed ties your box legendary
>makes said box legendary it's b***h with ice STAB
>dark is one of the most broken spammable offensive STABs in the game
>ability effectively makes it's already decent attack stat even higher
>SD with Sacred Sword as coverage
The real winner this gen. Koraidon and Miraidon gays absolutely btfo

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah but he loses to CHARIZARD

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Can't switch on it. STAB cleanly 2HKOs it.
      In fact it 2HKOs at worst everything in the game expect ultra-fatmons that resist its STAB combo and Sacred Sword.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        did you forget about my new jigglypuff? it walls out this shitter EZ

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >+2 252 Atk Life Orb Chien-Pao Icicle Crash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Scream Tail: 247-292 (56.9 - 67.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

          >0 SpA Scream Tail Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Chien-Pao: 204-242 (67.7 - 80.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >+2
            Wow I'm sure you'll very easily just get to +2 it right? because the opponent will just let you

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            this at least brings the weasel very close to death or outright kills it with life orb recoil

            >+2
            Wow I'm sure you'll very easily just get to +2 it right? because the opponent will just let you

            if you're switching in jigglypuff then you're letting it +2

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >if you're switching in jigglypuff then you're letting it +2
              I'm not

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                you're assuming jigglypuff is already in for it to work? then it's not an effective wall. l2p

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >gets btfo
                >l..l2p...
                heh

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >does not even attempt a counter-argument
                mad cuz bad

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                ironic

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                no u

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                lol he is right. If you have to switch jigglypuff in, it means that leopard already got a KO moron

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >OH NOOOOOO IT GOT A KO WHAT A SHAME IT'S ABOUT TO FRICKING DIE OH NOOOOOOOO

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that Iron Bundle's speed is 1 point higher.
    But yeah they finally gave us an actual fast offensive ice type for both physical and special.
    People will finally shut up about ice = automatically bad unless it has 660+ BST or a broken ability (Pao's ability is more or less equal to Tough Claws, which was theorized to be enough to make Weavile broken).

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair, Tough Claws is an amazing ability, but you're right.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >automatically bad unless it has 660+ BST or a broken ability
      Being extremely minmaxed counts too.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        All types have minmaxed mons. Why can't ice have them too?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It can, but you can't use them as representative of the average ice mons.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Before Pao and Bundle the only ice types with over 100 speed were Sneasel/Weavile, Froslass, Ninetales-A, Cryogonal and Arceus-Ice.
            No wonder ice sucks when the one thing it's good for (offense) isn't supported by the stat that matters the most.
            More tha the type chart, ice's real issue has always been the lack of speed. They're finally addressing that issue and predictably fast ice mons with workable offense and movepool end up being very scary.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >They're finally addressing that issue
              They addressed it so much snow raises defense.
              Should have made non ice mons go slower, because making slow bulky ice mons even bulkier won't prevent their deaths.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                All the ice typew in this generation either have good speed (Pao, Bundle), Slush Rush (Cetitan) or Dragon Dance (Baxcalibur). All of them also have Ice Shard.
                They definitely noticed the issue with speed. Snow's def boost isn't meant for tanking, just to setup more easily.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Ironically, the defense feels more useful to the frail ice types. Means that most of them won't just keel over to a single hit of priority.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Avalugg is also minmax, as is Mega Abomasnow

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Ching chong to you too

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder:

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      One Flinch and shitsire is dead.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The same could be said for any wall though

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The calcs aren't even correct, the defense debuff aura makes it so Quag gets cleanly 2hko'd by band while SD only needs to get a flinch once while Quagsire can't even threaten to scald burn anymore

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Those calcs actually don't include the -25% def aura. Quag gets mogged.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Gallade essentially gets STAB from leafblade just from the new ability dude, plus it can boost it even further with homiestal(if that doesn't get banned)

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Ok? What is Quag doing back? 80/80 defenses are nothing to write home about but they are plenty strong enough to stop Quag from doing anything.
      And it gets 2HKO'd since the calc ignores the ability, it can't switch in at all. This isn't even a check, let alone a counter.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I just want to ruin Lando

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Is she a version exclusive legendary?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      No

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It anon, it. Swords don't have gender.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      he made it into all the games, thankfully

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >makes said legendary its bi-
    Ap ap ap, Koraidon only takes Neutral, even with the Def drop, and has a 100 Acc 100 BP Fighting type move that amplifies damage based on if its SE or not, which Ski Kitty here is 4x weak to.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >252 Atk Life Orb Chien-Pao Ice Spinner vs. -1 252 HP / 0 Def Koraidon: 429-507 (106.1 - 125.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
      Yeah well outside of fantasy land Koraidon is weak to Ice. And instantly eats it and dies even with HP investment.
      Outside of full investment into defense it can't bulk a hit.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It's not a -1 aura. Calcs have suggested around 25%.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Isn't -1 a similar range? I don't think its 50% like +1 right? Its like 33%.
          It gives a rough range atleast. Considering the fact that its blowing through full HP investment with what should be close should say something.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            -33% = 1.5x more damage
            -25% = 1.33x more damage
            If you want to calc damage then adaptibility also gives a 1.33x damage boost

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >252 Atk Life Orb Adaptability Chien-Pao Ice Spinner vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Koraidon: 380-452 (94 - 111.8%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
              Shaves off a tad bit but its still in the realm of "you run investment or die".

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How big is she?
    is she one of those 4'11 mon suprise?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      he has the same height as Arcanine

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        fug
        really?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous
          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            is it one of those from tail to head
            or paws to ears?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Almost certainly head to tail with that body type. Snail and fish are very small.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                its not huge but not tiny either

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            damn I thought it would just be cat size like Persian.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >It's fangs are a broken sword lodged into its upper jaw
            I just now realized they stick out below the eyes. Cool sword though.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Frostmourne turned itself into a cat after shattering

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            DAS GIGAWEASEL

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I would run Ice Spinner on Pao because it completely fricks Miraidon teams over.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    shitmon loses to breloom

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      LO Ice Shard is a clean OHKO with just one layer of Spikes, which everyone and their mom gets this gen. And this is without even taking Swords Dance into account.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    didn't sword shield have some super strong ice monkey shit that was absurd?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah and smogon banned it cus it threatens lando

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I don't give a frick what some sweaty fat gays decide is "banned" I'll play whoever I want.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Is it a ferret?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Its cry in-game is clearly that of a leopard.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Lv. 1 Tyrogue uses Mach Punch
    dead

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This thing is busted, looking like top 5 material in ubers, let alone OU.
    Congrats to icebros!

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    gets walled out by the hammer shitmon

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's a snow leopard. That's one of my favourite animals IRL, so I really like this pokemon.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Do we know who will be a good dual screen lead for this gen yet? I had a soft spot for grimmsnarl in swsh just for screens and taunting but he won't be available till 2023 home update

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's better Weavile and Weavile was/is insane in current OU

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    That blue turd took 10 minutes to make in Blender

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Chien-Pao
    >"chien" is French for "dog"
    please don't

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How does scizor stack up against it?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Without Tera? Good check.
      If Tera is allowed however Chien-Pao can use fire to get past virtually all of its checks (Zacian-C, Magearna, Corviknight, Kingambit...).

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Chien-Pao can eat a BP and Scizor doesn't have Roost anymore

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Does it get mach punch still?

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