>people waited 15 years for a good sinnoh game
>the got this monstrosity and the plass shovelware spin off
>people waited 15 years for a good sinnoh game. >the got this monstrosity and the plass shovelware spin off
>people waited 15 years for a good sinnoh game
>the got this monstrosity and the plass shovelware spin off
officially confirmed to be the second best remake
Japan fricking adores DP
Recency bias.
SV is too recent, so the votes go to SwSh and BDSP, except that all remakes and third versions rank like shit because their votes go to the originals instead.
coping shatdea loser. bdsp and swsh are the top 2 pokemon games nothing comes close
I made absolutely no claims to the quality of Gen 9. I have not, and will continue to not play them.
Basically. Take out recency bias and the list makes sense.
Gen 2
Gen 3/4
Gen 5
Gen 1
Gen 7
Gen 6
>SV is too recent
Holy cope
Nostalgia bias exists.
Or it could be the fact S/V are bad games compared to it's predecessors.
Man, you're saying that when 6 and 8 are on that list. Come on. Don't shitpost at me. We both know what that is.
You're not wrong, but personally I like to try to find something positive about each gen. You can't deny gen 6 and Gen 8 at least at things to do after you beat the game. Gen 6 had the best online features among other things, Gen 8 had at least the Battle tower. S/V has nothing.
You're talking shit either way. Come off it
We both know it being new is why it's down there.
You can believe what you want, I don't care. An extra two or five years isn't going to change how barebones the game is and how much of a buggy mess it is. Clearly even the japs feel this way.
Insisting that a Pokemon game won't be well remembered by the kids who played it in five years is so ridiculously, pathetically dishonest.
Kids dont play pokemon, manchilds do
Every single "positive" thing you listed are things like 98% of fans never touch or interact with, or features most people don't even know exist.
>98% of fans didn’t use the PSS system in Gen 6
If you’re going to try the revisionist tactic, at least TRY stop be believable
Literally yes, most people don't play side by side like that.
Nothing in my post defended or even mentioned SV, try again genwaring homosexual.
>cope overload
Imagine trying to defend S/V when even the Japs don't like the games. They're bad games, the sooner you accept this, it will be better for your psyche. Or don't, makes no difference for me, I've already been validated.
>Imagine trying to defend S/V
I'm not.
I'm saying you're being fricking ridiculous.
>when even the Japs don't like the games
Japs have shit taste so SV is actually the best.
This anon loves eating glue and watching paint dry
>gens 6, 7 and 8
>everyone complains about the lack of post-game, and the battle tower doesn't count because it sucks and keeps getting copied and pasted
>gen 9 comes around and just does away with the battle tower altogether, instead has a gym leader rematch circuit and school tournament
>everyone complains about the lack of battle tower suddenly despite hating it before
>3DS games
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>Gold and Silver is Japan's favorite game
>Yet, the franchise almost never caters to Johto
No wonder Game Freak pushes Kanto so hard. It's all about jealousy and anger.
Gold and Silver reminds them of how they almost killed the franchise right when it started and Iwata had to save their asses.
Mental illness
>coping this hard because people love Sinnoh in all forms
Reminder
thanks for reminding that its an official poll
It's not and it only had 117 votes.
>official
>made by some no name site
I just bought BDSP 2 days ago.
Never played Gen 4, but giving it a try after loving legends.
play both BDSP and Platinum and then compare
Sinnoh is any form is good
in any form*
I'll actually considered doing that but I can transfer my mons into the game. But I'll probably pick it up later just for completion sake
>Sinnoh in any form is good
Even most Sinnoh fans don't believe that. Before BDSP released people would consistently rank DP low as "the bad ones" but Platinum high for "saving Sinnoh" despite not actually improving significantly enough to be a good game.
why you lying
SInnoh has always been peak
>despite not actually improving significantly enough to be a good game.
why lie?
>play both BDSP and Platinum and then compare
This is an excellent suggestion tbh. Plus you can emulate Platinum for free on anything
>play BDSP
>it's shit
>play Platinum
>it's shit
the only good Sinnoh game is PLA
T. Gen Alpha
See this is the problem. BDSP is just as good as DP is because it's almost literally the same game. It doesn't offer anything on its own. Unlike HGSS, FRLG or even ORAS.
Charging $60 to play again a 15 year old game is a crime and consoomers let TPC get away with this bullshit
are you surprised? look at how many bootlickers defend S/V despite it having barely any evergreen content and postgame. The games are designed now with a shiny gimmick and to be beaten quickly , so you don't have to play it again. It's just like Call of duty almost but at least that has replayablity.
locking 5 routes to after the credits doesn’t make the game more replayable
Battle Frontier, World Tournament, etc sure does, though.
Evergreen content is a zoomer meme that just makes games cancerous. Treadmills are bad design, whether it's a gear treadmill in some MMO, or some "post game" bullshit.
Evergreen content can also just be "a main campaign that isn't awful to replay."
Shin Red is more fun to replay than D/P or B/W1 despite the latter two having vastly better gameplay. The act of going through the story is tedious as hell.
>Evergreen content can also just be "a main campaign that isn't awful to replay."
Yeah I guess if you pretend words don't mean anything and just make shit up to defend whatever bullshit you say, it can.
So you not know what the word evergreen means? Because it doesn't mean "post-game."
It doesn't mean "replay value", because replay value means replay value.
A square isn't a rectangle, but a rectangle in a square.
Evergreen content is "universally and continually relevant : not limited in applicability to a particular event or date." IE, stuff that's fun to play regardless of your circumstances. Stuff that's fun to replay is evergreen if it never gets dull. Evergreen describes the design of the content but doesn't define it or exclude other descriptors.
Hey, I had a stroke. I should probably sleep.
A square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't a square.
The Switch games (aside from BDSP/PLA, lmao) have been better about this than every game since RSE.
PLA & BDSP are the top 2 Switch pokemon games
Cool.
That's completely irrelevant to what I said.
yes yes you're moronic
Do you just want attention or what?
I want to suck your pussy
It's funny, cause PLA has more content (and postgame) than S/V which is fricking pathetic.
What do you think I said, and why do you think this was relevant?
>I'm so great a pokemon that I need better infinite content
>Sure, play ranked
>No that's moronic bc I'll lose.
BDSP has the best tower on the switch because it's a remake of an older title and it makes morons on this thread like you look doubly moronic.
Ranked is literally content that will be unplayable one day, and then the game has nothing.
Yes, thats how multiplayer games work.
>Isn't it weird that you have to chop off your fingers to feed them to the birds, doesn't that mean you won't be able to pick things up anymore?
>That's how birds work
What the frick are you talking about, you sound like an insane person
You talk about cutting off fingers randomly but sure I'M the insane one...
You're the one saying it's normal for a game to just stop working. Don't you think it's weird for something to be completely unusable for no good reason?
Since when does the game stop working just because 1 online feature goes down? You sound insane bro...
So you're saying it's normal for part of a game to become completely unusable? If so, why do some games not have that problem?
Lots of games and companies shut their servers off. Completely normal to move stuff to support the current product.
So you're saying it's okay for somebody from the remote control manufacturer to break into your house and steal the buttons off the remote, or George Lucas to take all your copies of Stars War and make Greedo say maclunky?
What the frick are you talking about, you sound like an insane person
Explain to me how making part of a video game non-functional is any different than making a part of anything non-functional
Your strawman attempts arent really working. You didnt buy the whole server. You bought a temporal use of it that they can shut down at any time.
Actually, let's talk about that. Are video games a good, or a service? If it's a good, it's illegal for somebody to make a good even partially non-functional without allowing the consumer to have a reasonable way of repairing it. Software is a good, no matter what anyone else tells you. If somehow it's a service, it's unlike any other service that exists. You have no expectation of how long it lasts, no general expectation of when the service is completed, and technically doesn't require a considerable resources to continue.
Ranked is a bad mode because of copy and paste meta teams, you clearly don't pay attention to what's happening with VGC or cart, to think ranked and the battle tower offers the same kind of experience. moron
>praising BDSP’s Tower
That’s moronic, anon. Don’t be moronic. BDSP’s Tower is a major step down from the Battle Tree in terms of balance, and I’d argue that it’s worse than the Maison, as well. Hell, even SWSH’s Tower can be more fun (briefly) because the low difficulty allows you to bring almost anything you want and still have a shot of winning.
>BDSP Tower
>OHKO spam
>Multiscale, Sturdy, and Sash everywhere
>reduced movepools / options limit team building even further
>niche “frick you” sets (ex: Fantina has a Shedinja in one team)
I could go on. BDSP’s Tower is poorly designed in that your options for team building are restricted to an unfun degree because, on top of the game simply removing a lot of options (moves, items, mon), any amount of RNG can (and will) absolutely frick your streak to pieces when combined with the generally strong teams you’ll be facing. The margin for error / bad matchups is the smallest it has ever been, and that’s not a good thing in a format as volatile as 3v3 singles.
>BDSP has the best tower on the switch
this
If that’s true, it’s only due to a lack of competition, and the fact that I’ve seen people rank SWSH’s tower over BDSP’s says a lot.
>it's almost literally the same game
no its not
BDSP > DP
>FRLG or even ORAS.
lmao
>Charging $60 to play again a 15 year old game
Nintendo also did it with a 26 year old Game Boy game this generation
BDSP is vastly inferior to just regular DP, but that makes the $60 price tag even worse
It disappointed me but I hope you have fun anon
>people waited 15 years for a good sinnoh game
and we got one, it's called Pokémon Legends: Arceus
You should have copypasted the original 'problem with DP' image and then added all of these new points to the bottom
I think Gen4 had an awful dex. There's some good mons in there, but most of them are ugly abominations. Worse, it introduced Stealth rock and Garchomp.
>There's some good mons in there, but most of them are ugly abominations
But enough about hoenn
hoenn didn't have rhyperior
Yeah, Gen 4 was the worst dex for me. I still had fun playing Platinum I cared very little about most of the new additions and some of them are not even available in a regular playthrough without jumping through hoops
At least it gave us Torterra
>"spin-off"
>immature name calling for no reason
OP is underage, pay her no heed.
>couldn't even take a screencap properly
So this is the power of DaiPa kids.......
Last I checked the Japanese site did not list it, therefore it's a spin-off.
I hate this fricking "criticism" format because it makes people add more WORDS WORDS WORDS to make the argument seem longer and therefore better. Who gives a single frick if Fantina's rematch Banette only has 3 moves? There's only like 5 actual good points in here diluted by a lot of garbage that doesn't matter to anyone.
>Noooo you aren't supposed to point out flaws and stupid oversights to make the dev team look incompetent!!
Practice reading comprehension.
The ahahahahaha point is always some cringe garbage as well.
to this day the gen 1 image remains the only good one because it actually had real problems to point out
some of these are fricking moronic
>Waah the postgame has a lot of legendaries
>Wahhh how could Mew and Manaphy be in this game its unfair!!!
That's The problem with The problem with images
>play DP
>uts good
>play BDSP
>it's good
>play Platinum
>it's also good
Kinnoh is simply good
I used all 3 mythicals to keep the game fresh as it was gonna be my 69000th sinnoh run and it ended up making the game harder
Plass is pretty good
Better than FRLG
Mechanically, yes.
As a single player RPG, no.
Game absolutely refuses to let the player miss stuff and wander around.
Yet another person who doesn't understand the original RBGY post and just uses the format to whine about preferences and subjectivity instead of objective bugs and glitches.
The RBGY post was just whining about glitches most people didn't encounter.
Most people didn't encounter psychic being immune to ghost? Cope.
It's pretty much impossible to beat the game without seeing the Focus Energy glitch in action.
You may encounter it, but if you don't know it exists, you're not gonna realize it either.
The vast majority of the issues with Gen 1 are like that.
>you're not gonna realize it either.
No, instead you'll get really angry that the game is "bullshit" while being unquantifiable since you can't see what's happening.
I don't get why people pretend these problems should be ignored when Shin Red/Blue Lite is right there and changes nothing but bugs and the GBC compatibility. Are you just weirdos who refuse to play unofficial builds of games?
>why does anyone even talk about the mainline games when mods/hacks exist?
Did you really mean that or are you just pretending to be moronic.
This is a bizarre statement when you're pretending G1's bugs don't matter.
You should acknowledge them and download the bugfix. What's the issue? I don't get it. Patching out bugs isn't like playing a fan game. It's just an unofficial patch.
That was my first reply to you, you were just being moronic. Even if it was an official patch, the idea that you can't talk about a games launch anymore is just stupid. You're obsessed with your little niche romhack and are pretending to be confused that people don't treat it like it's a Nintendo release.
>the idea that you can't talk about a games launch anymore
>I don't get why people pretend these problems should be ignored
>You should acknowledge them
Anon. Are you okay?
You didn't read the first sentance of my post, did you
Those quotes are me, you moron. I said multiple times that Red's problems should be discussed. I never said people shouldn't talk about the original releases.
And? Does it negate the time you were moronic?
>Gives up on the pretense entirely.
Thanks for wasting my time, I guess.
There is no pretense to give up. Is this why none of your arguments make sense? Because you were assuming I was having some secret subliminal argument instead of what I was actually saying? That's literal medical schizoactive disorder behavior.
One last time, in case you're stupid instead of shitposting.
Anon was downplaying RGB's flaws.
I was saying the flaws should be discussed, and there's no reason to downplay them when you have a bugfixed version available. People should talk about them.
Hey remember when I told you "read the first sentance again"? Because it looks like you didn't.
Yeah, okay, you don't want to talk. Piss off.
Are you... okay? Do you need a minute?
Respond. Now.
>instead you'll get really angry that the game is "bullshit" while being unquantifiable since you can't see what's happening.
>NOOOOOO I COULDN'T BEAT GARY BECAUSE MY FOCUS ENERGY DIDN'T WORK, THIS IS BULLSHIT!!!
- something literally no one has ever said in the history of the franchise
What a weird random strawmsn designed to encourage (You) farming.
Saying "that interaction was nonsense, what the frick happened?!" because stuff is bugged isn't the same as blaming the game for your poor play.
It should mention that it reinstated the "Suction Cups don't have their overworld effect" bug that Platinum fixed
Stupid argument. What you don't know can hurt you.
It's not to say that the glitches don't affect your experience, but only zoomies that have never played the games use them as arguments for why the games were unplayable garbage, when ultimately that's not true.
Yes, they are objective flaws, but their impact is greatly overstated.
johto, sinnoh, and galar are peak pokemon
and Unovagays never learned anything from this and begging GameFrick for a remake.
You know what? Let them get fricked
The fact that Fantina's Banette knows Snatch in BDSP despite it being removed highlights everything you need to know about the state of the games. And not just BDSP.
Is there a place for images like that? Where do you guys find these images?
i make them myself.
all low quality pokemon games get one.
So all of them?
Explains why they're so bad, the gen 1 one is fine cuz it has actual.gripes. this is minor, nitpicky shit and opinions. Dumb and gay
The entire concept of these images was always flawed because it's just listing bugs and glitches (some of them are, others are intentional design choices made in gen 1 because they weren't "fixed" by Stadium), which while they are "problems" don't make a game which is genuinely fun "bad", which is what the image was always used for, to say "gen 1 bad".
>which while they are "problems" don't make a game which is genuinely fun "bad",
Sounds like you simply lack the ability to disassociate quality and enjoyment. Being a poorly made game doesn't mean you can't have fun with it in the same way being a competently made game doesn't make it good.
I'm not saying gen 1 was a game which didn't have a lot of bugs, the issue is everybody who's ever used that image has only ever used it to throw a wall of text at people and say "See? Gen 1 is bad actually" when most of the stuff on it is irrelevant to whether the game was actually "bad" or not. It also really says something when every point on the original image is talking about battle mechanics, shows who made it (smogonbaby).
>See? Gen 1 is bad actually
Yeah, because it is. Especially for a game with PvP but that's looking at it from am objective quality standpoint. As a game you can still enjoy what it offers.
>others are intentional design choices made in gen 1 because they weren't "fixed" by Stadium
Stadium was a cobbled together battle sim that only made a few changes. The first version was missing over 80 Pokemon. I don't think it's a great source to vote for whether something was intentional or not.
If technical machines break after use on black and white remakes, then I won't buy those remakes. That would be a literal downgrade I personally disagree with.
They most likely won't have Triples and Rotations either so it's going to be a guaranteed downgrade.
hi i made the bdsp one.
even made an updated version.
no i don't plan on updating it any time soon, because quite frankly, i don't give a shit. new bugs and other copypastes are being discovered in this shit heap every week it feels like, and i can't keep track of them all.
did you know you can't transfer a pokemon that was hyper trained in sv if it's level is under 100?
ilca really went out of their way to make bdsp free of hacked and cloned pokemon but not actually give us a reason to replay sinnoh with these "remakes".
>are you asking for a remake
I'm not, I'm just preparing myself for the inevitable of seeing no Pokestar Studios, no post-game Legend hunting (they'll just be all dumped into a single zone like BDSP), no PWT because kids these days are on they phone and don't want to play Pokemon. And forced additions like raid content.
BDSP could have it all. I truly believed they would respond to ORAS critics by updating the Platinum story and features. But they didn’t update the story in any way! It made the ORAS story and character changes look ambitious by comparsion. 2009 was the best time to enjoy Sinnoh…
Yeah, for all of ORAS faults, it added some new stuff like Lisia, the redesigns for the Teams, the Delta Episode
BDSP >> ORAS
And people opened the eyes sinnog ganes are trash
No regional variants is such a baffling decision to me. Every game since they've been introduced has always had both versions available. I can't fathom why they would do that.
Sinnoh is dogshit, the only good thing about gen 4 was hgss
Test
test this dick in your ass
Sorry, I was seeing what the deal with the "posting has been blocked for your IP" I got. Didn't know it could be board specific
We got a breath of fresh air in PLA even if it was clunky and pseudo open world. It’s a shame BDSP had so many issues but I’d much rather have a new interesting iteration than let Gamefreak throw their time into a remake. They’ve shown they need all the help they can get to make games
BDSP is better than DP and a better remake than ORAS - thats a fact
vs Platinum is debatable
The only reason why people dislike it, is because it is a Accurate, faithful remake. It's just like the originals, absolute mid.
>It's just like the originals,
so amazing