No no, you must've misread my original post
You said "make scenes look like that" and I replied that the scene wouldn't look like that
Please, pay attention
That's funny to hear considering I did most of the important missions at night just to coom over muh reflective surfaces
I genuinely almost have no clue what daytime NC looks like, because the night version is just so much more alive; plus the place IS called NIGHT city (for unrelated reasons of course, but still)
the game insists on being played during the day, its fricking annoying and illogical.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Ye I had to install the simple flashlight mod because some of the interiors were way too fricking dark
But stuff like nightclubs and corpo buildings have the perfect amount of ambient lights that exploring them during the day would feel like a big mistake
You seem to have also misread my post
He claimed "make scenes look like that" and I replied that the scene wouldn't look like that
This is not the correct forum to share your technical issues, please go to Ganker instead
>pointless day/night cycle.
pretty much every single RPG has a night/day cycle for 20 years now.
its a crucial and fundamental element of being an immersive RPG.
not having a night/day cycle immidiately drops the game rating to 0/10.
doesnt matter if you think how much of an rpg cyperpunk is, if im allowed to walk around an open world, its supposed to have a nightday cycle.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're clearly too young to be having this discussion, I'm not going to bother replying to you again.
3 months ago
Anonymous
i accept your pathetic concession. >motherfricking Fallout 1 had night day cycle >motherfricking gta 3 had night day cycle
and we got you, a fricking moron: >nuh uh me stupid me think day night cycle bad you young you grow up
have a nice day.
Bright sunny day absolutely kills the atmosphere of a cyberpunk dystopia. The prevalence of sunny weather in weather cycles pissed me off so much it pushed me towards modding
Rasterization is good enough for npcs shadows and other dynamic objects and there is no point in wasting GPU time on path tracing for static scenery.
Realism does not matter as long as it looks decent enough.
>Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition is the only one that does it the right way: exclusively ground-up ray traced lighting.
It doesn't have "exclusively ground-up ray traced lighting" though. In fact its RT implementation is much less extensive than Cyberpunk's overdrive mode. It was good for 2021 but it's definitely surpassed now.
You are just wrong. ME:EE is very extensively ray traced but it's not FULLY ray traced like Portal/Minecraft/CP2077 overdrive/etc. It's still a mixture of RT and raster. Go watch a DF video or something it'll confirm this.
Ray tracing in open world feels like a waste of time, but ray tracing in horror games is pretty much a necessity this generation.
I just finished playing the Dead Space remake and while the lighting was good, ray tracing would have made it spectacular.
Actually, I'm going to take this as an opportunity to rant about one particular thing. I was eagerly waiting to get to my favourite room in any video game ever just to see how they handled it and I was so, so, so disappointed. The "improved lighting" stripped all the character from the room. No sinister shadows being cast by the frame hanging in the middle of the room, making you constantly on edge in case you see movement. They even gutted the impact of the frame so it didn't make a violent banging on the walls, shaking the screen.
Hell, you even have to turn off the lights in the room to progress through it, completely removing the unique aspect and turning it into just another room. It's like they didn't take it into consideration at all.
Anyway, ray tracing would have improved that room. Or maybe it wouldn't, since the devs don't seem to understand horror.
HDR standards are so fricked and even when it works it's negligible
I have an HDR monitor and TV and for anyone that doesnt, >turn up your gamma and contrast about 10%
There, that's more or less what every game looks like with HDR active. Complete meme.
hdr is a joke if you have a single backlight zone type display since it really is just crushing color depth with contrast and brightness shifting
when you have multiple backlight zones or self emissive pixels (oled, etc) then it starts to make sense
I don't know what there is to discuss
Yes bright things look a little brighter and dark things look a little darker, you can notice the 'steps' as dark transitions to light a little more smoothly but it really, really makes no fricking difference when you're actually playing a game, at all. You'll see it when you sit there and actively toggle it on/off to see the differences but in a blind test of different scenes (not an a/b test) you haven't seen before you're not going to be able to tell when HDR is on or off. If I was buying a new display today, HDR would be one of my last priorities.
hdr is a joke if you have a single backlight zone type display since it really is just crushing color depth with contrast and brightness shifting
when you have multiple backlight zones or self emissive pixels (oled, etc) then it starts to make sense
I have a mini led tv with plenty of dimming zones and it's probably the brightest TV you can buy at the moment
It's a meme
>doesn't have an OLED >talks about HDR being "negligible"
you're also probably blind because i've played the same games on my LG C1 in SDR and HDR and can tell there's a massive difference because i'm not blind
>release cyberpunk >garbage shit game >years pass >AAA releases even worse garbage shit >cyberpunk gets some dogshit basic functionality updates, everything about it is still barebones garbage >cyberpunk is good now
WTF?
>pic
have you noticed that everyone looks better with just a bit of blur and grain added? TV shows and films from the 80s are way more visually appealing than modern crystal clarity
hell, a lot of movies are still shot on film, and even if you watch modern shows, a lot have film grain and noise added to make it look better
why do you think film grain is an option in so many games
this looks so sterile and soulless, where is the energy? i ll take a ps1 ff pre render over that shit any day game devs have little sense of arts nowadays honestly. newbies are just soulless dumdums
that'll be 2 million dollars plus tax
Mario!
2pbp
Made me larf
>rei tracing is a me-
If only there was a way to make scenes look like that for basically free...
Oh yes, it's called baked lighting!
I'm not sure you can efficiently pre-bake lightning for different times of the day, anon-kun
nobody cares about day/night cycle
hello, im nobody, i care.
>nobody cares about day/night cycle
BG3 troony detected
No no, you must've misread my original post
You said "make scenes look like that" and I replied that the scene wouldn't look like that
Please, pay attention
CP2077 is a game that would have EASILY gotten away with no day/night cycle
That's funny to hear considering I did most of the important missions at night just to coom over muh reflective surfaces
I genuinely almost have no clue what daytime NC looks like, because the night version is just so much more alive; plus the place IS called NIGHT city (for unrelated reasons of course, but still)
the game insists on being played during the day, its fricking annoying and illogical.
Ye I had to install the simple flashlight mod because some of the interiors were way too fricking dark
But stuff like nightclubs and corpo buildings have the perfect amount of ambient lights that exploring them during the day would feel like a big mistake
i would ray trace her day/night cycle if u kno wot i mean
see
I'd rather play at 200+ fps in fixed lighting environments than at a cinematic 20 fps just for a pointless day/night cycle.
You seem to have also misread my post
He claimed "make scenes look like that" and I replied that the scene wouldn't look like that
This is not the correct forum to share your technical issues, please go to Ganker instead
Are you a bot?
No, I'm instructing you on how to talk like a normal human being
Your technical issues are unrelated to the question at hand
>pointless day/night cycle.
pretty much every single RPG has a night/day cycle for 20 years now.
its a crucial and fundamental element of being an immersive RPG.
CP2077 isn't an RPG and its 'immersion' is debatable. You can't even sit down on chairs outside of cutscenes.
not having a night/day cycle immidiately drops the game rating to 0/10.
doesnt matter if you think how much of an rpg cyperpunk is, if im allowed to walk around an open world, its supposed to have a nightday cycle.
You're clearly too young to be having this discussion, I'm not going to bother replying to you again.
i accept your pathetic concession.
>motherfricking Fallout 1 had night day cycle
>motherfricking gta 3 had night day cycle
and we got you, a fricking moron:
>nuh uh me stupid me think day night cycle bad you young you grow up
have a nice day.
Bright sunny day absolutely kills the atmosphere of a cyberpunk dystopia. The prevalence of sunny weather in weather cycles pissed me off so much it pushed me towards modding
>Npc walks by
>Looks like a transparent PNG was dragged by the door
You baked lighting homosexuals need to go back
Rasterization is good enough for npcs shadows and other dynamic objects and there is no point in wasting GPU time on path tracing for static scenery.
Realism does not matter as long as it looks decent enough.
You?
I have no idea whether or not ray tracing is actually enabled in that screenshot
-me.
Looks like shit.
I have RTX on medium and the chairs don't even have shadows
Why is that?
Becuase RT medium kinda sucks, only psycho looks even decent and it's still very substantially worse than path tracing.
>path tracing
i can't keep up with all these marketing terms
not a marketing term, go google it
ray tracing is a technical feature that is used by path tracing
If you're outside on an overcast day you'll notice nothing has a shadow.
Poorgay meltdown thread
Says the third world shitter.
in most games i don't notice it much, or it looks worse than the default. but in the few that do it well it really makes a difference
Did some shit get announced?
Why are we talking about Ray Tracing of all times
name games that actually utilize ray tracing
Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition is the only one that does it the right way: exclusively ground-up ray traced lighting. It even runs pretty well
>Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition is the only one that does it the right way: exclusively ground-up ray traced lighting.
It doesn't have "exclusively ground-up ray traced lighting" though. In fact its RT implementation is much less extensive than Cyberpunk's overdrive mode. It was good for 2021 but it's definitely surpassed now.
Except it does, it has no other form of lighting in the game than ray tracing
You are just wrong. ME:EE is very extensively ray traced but it's not FULLY ray traced like Portal/Minecraft/CP2077 overdrive/etc. It's still a mixture of RT and raster. Go watch a DF video or something it'll confirm this.
nta but nah you're incorrect, ME:EE is entirely bereft of rasterization, the only reason you can see anything is because it's being pathtraced.
Ray tracing in open world feels like a waste of time, but ray tracing in horror games is pretty much a necessity this generation.
I just finished playing the Dead Space remake and while the lighting was good, ray tracing would have made it spectacular.
Actually, I'm going to take this as an opportunity to rant about one particular thing. I was eagerly waiting to get to my favourite room in any video game ever just to see how they handled it and I was so, so, so disappointed. The "improved lighting" stripped all the character from the room. No sinister shadows being cast by the frame hanging in the middle of the room, making you constantly on edge in case you see movement. They even gutted the impact of the frame so it didn't make a violent banging on the walls, shaking the screen.
Hell, you even have to turn off the lights in the room to progress through it, completely removing the unique aspect and turning it into just another room. It's like they didn't take it into consideration at all.
Anyway, ray tracing would have improved that room. Or maybe it wouldn't, since the devs don't seem to understand horror.
HDR is the real gamechanger AND it doesn't cost 90% of your fps
HDR standards are so fricked and even when it works it's negligible
I have an HDR monitor and TV and for anyone that doesnt,
>turn up your gamma and contrast about 10%
There, that's more or less what every game looks like with HDR active. Complete meme.
>and even when it works it's negligible
bait used to be believable
hdr is a joke if you have a single backlight zone type display since it really is just crushing color depth with contrast and brightness shifting
when you have multiple backlight zones or self emissive pixels (oled, etc) then it starts to make sense
I have a mini led tv with plenty of dimming zones and it's probably the brightest TV you can buy at the moment
It's a meme
yeah "meme, meme"
real engaging discussion with someone tech literate
I don't know what there is to discuss
Yes bright things look a little brighter and dark things look a little darker, you can notice the 'steps' as dark transitions to light a little more smoothly but it really, really makes no fricking difference when you're actually playing a game, at all. You'll see it when you sit there and actively toggle it on/off to see the differences but in a blind test of different scenes (not an a/b test) you haven't seen before you're not going to be able to tell when HDR is on or off. If I was buying a new display today, HDR would be one of my last priorities.
>doesn't have an OLED
>talks about HDR being "negligible"
you're also probably blind because i've played the same games on my LG C1 in SDR and HDR and can tell there's a massive difference because i'm not blind
>buy memeled memeitor for $9000 memedollars
>pretend it's good as cope
at least you'll always know where your desktop icons are!
on the off chance this isn't bait you're an oblivious drooling knuckledragger and i bet you have about 95 IQ
>oblivious drooling knuckledragger
did your 90 year old grandpa used to call you that or something? frick off redditor
i just don't think you're qualified to say whether HDR is shit or not when you've never seen it work properly
>OLED Black person trying to justify his burn-in box
lmao
>I have an HDR monitor
do you really though
there's a lot of fake HDR out there, how many nits is your peak brightness?
-me.
>-me.
You can post screenshots all fricking day, but that's all it's for. Screenshots.
>release cyberpunk
>garbage shit game
>years pass
>AAA releases even worse garbage shit
>cyberpunk gets some dogshit basic functionality updates, everything about it is still barebones garbage
>cyberpunk is good now
WTF?
Not a single person in this thread said the game is good, you moronic Black person
you talk like a brown person
post hand
It's litte better than a 2D texture of I can't interact with it.
>pic
have you noticed that everyone looks better with just a bit of blur and grain added? TV shows and films from the 80s are way more visually appealing than modern crystal clarity
hell, a lot of movies are still shot on film, and even if you watch modern shows, a lot have film grain and noise added to make it look better
why do you think film grain is an option in so many games
people posting that image have never seen the full conversation.
artificial artefacting like you describe is something he also denounced.
>wowee these fancy new graphics are sure to make the gameplay fun
Left: psycho ray tracing
Right: ray tracing overdrive (path tracing)
The difference is unreal
True. What can run that though? If I was shooting for 1080p60.
(And 100% 3d resolution/native, I'm not a fan of upscaled low resolution stuff, it looks weird)
this looks so sterile and soulless, where is the energy? i ll take a ps1 ff pre render over that shit any day game devs have little sense of arts nowadays honestly. newbies are just soulless dumdums
>ps1 ray traced pre rendered graphics: oh my hecking soul!
>current day ray traced real time graphics: sterile and soulless!!
Correct. Stay subhuman, Jamal.