Realistically, how much of the fantastic world-building and lore from ESO will be incorporated into a new Elder Scrolls game? Since the game is likely to take place in Hammerfell, will they lose all sense of depth like the Nords and be turned into enlightened black Imperials without their unique Forebearer/Crown culture represented as anything more than another black/white Stormcloak v Legion civil war?
what's the point in even wondering, they've made 4 shit games in a row.
Expect Fallout 4.3 in fantasy land. Probably some desert settlement caravan shit.
>in a row
not really. Masterpiece Oblivion was made between 4 shitty games
Keep it simple stupid.
Hopefully fricking none. ESOs work, especially in Hammerfell, makes me never want to touch the setting again. Redguards are the superior race and TES:A is a favorite of mine, and they took a fat shit on it.
How did they ruin the Redguards? They expanded on their culture quite well and gave them a lot of depth which was previously missing. Because it was non-existent.
ESO turned the Redguards into silly turban wearing arabs with silly durka durka names (you could argue that the ones in Skyrim were all Alik'r nomads), which outright contradicts what they weee like in previous games, and makes them more generic. Knowing how ESO writers do things, whatever new things they introduced to Redguard culture isn't worth keeping
The shehai design in ESO is also fricking ugly as sin, as is literally every single weapon and armor design in the fricking, it's genuinely fricking impressive how incredibly talentless the people in charge of weapon and armor designs in ESO, holy shit
That's just one element of their culture. Not every single Redguard as a whole.
Redguards were literally the most fleshed out race all the way back in Redguard and Hammerfell has appeared in more games than any other province. KYS delusional ESOtroony
>all the way back in Redguard
Meant to say Daggerfall*, in fact Redguards were more fleshed out than the Bretons. Redguards were literally the first TES with any substantial worldbuilding and lore behind them.
>Nords and be turned into enlightened black Imperials
Starfield had black Russians, so yes. They took a real culture with real people and turned it into black culture.
Emil's not in charge of ESO, is he? Everything he touches turns to shit, so yeah.
ZOS has autistic Elder Scrolls lorebeards in charge. The series is genuinely safer in their hands.
If bethesda is going to make elder scrolls 6, emil will obviously in charge of narrative/design, either way its over. Some anon said that todd will leave bethesda after starfield dlc, the worse case is that emil becomes a game director of TES6 and ruined everything to its core
beyond skyrim will genuinely be better than TES6, the lore is all there for the baseline of most of them
the only thing is there is some shoehorned gay shit going on because gays on some teams force it in
(bias because im working on some provinces)
Nah forget Beyond Skyrim. I don't see it ever getting finished aside from Atmora and maybe, MAYBE Cyrodiil since the assets are there.
The real TES6 is Tamriel Rebuilt for Morrowind. The amount of content is staggering and the lore is fantastic. They're making pretty steady progress again now. Their version of Necrom blows ESO out of the water and I can't wait to see Mournhold expanded.
tamriel rebuilt is good but it's killed by the fact its morrowind, its great if you enjoy that kind of game but it's not for everyone.
beyond skyrim cyrodiil is most likely to release but even that, I think other provinces could be finished before TES6. it's a good middleground, Skyrim runs perfect on modern computers and looks passable and has a bunch of mods that change combat a lot.
TES6 is on creation engine 2, from rumours it'll be incapable with Skyrim combat mods so you'll be stuck with the base game for years.
Its sad to know that after all these years of waiting, skyrim is indeed the last tes game made by original tes team despite not all of them. I trust modders more than tes6 official devs
Bethesda died with this woke shit in society which made the older writers and devs move on and Microsoft buying them was the stake in the heart. the next game will be a headliner game and so xbox will force real world bullshit into it for their ESG score and mod pages will ban modders that remove it all
There's something going on internally at bethesda there I said it. I wish that anon who leaked starfield last year will returned to Ganker and told us what's going on in there.
>There's something going on internally at bethesda
Anon. It's the same thing which has happened to every major Western AAA studio. The old talent which made them what they left. It becomes too corporate, too driven by shareholders chasing profit and ESG investment chasing a meaningless diversity score. They hire hordes of talentless millennials and zoomers willing to work for pennies and get burned out after churning out a soulless game.
Then why emil, the lead design of starfield and (formerly) lead narratives in bethesda game, stayed in that corporate while praising himself with his "starfield made me le push myself" twitter post. Why dont emil leave bethesda?
Because he's a hack, contributed nothing to Bethesda's success and went corporate? His lead roles were Skyrim, Fallout 4 and Starfield. That says it all.
Emil is the goodest goy at bethesda rn
>how much of the fantastic world-building and lore from ESO
>Jeremy Soule will not be present for the next Elder Scrolls game
I hate it
>all because some prostitute made a false rape claim
>He was accused of rape by game designer Nathalie Lawhead.He was also accused of sexual harassment by vocalist Aeralie Brighton. He denied the accusations. Materia Collective ended their work with Soule on his symphony The Northerner in response, and Soule's official social media pages were taken down.Soule's music distribution platform DirectSong, and his Bandcamp page were also seemingly taken offline around this time. A 2022 article in Journal of Sound and Music in Games analysed the accusations in the wider context of the #MeToo movement and sexism in the games industry, commenting simply that "not much has been heard of Soule since".
God this makes me so fricking mad. All it takes to ruin a mans entire career is an accusation. No proof, no trial, no conviction, no nothing. Just saying "This male raped me!" and you lose everything. Frick this.
Even if he didn't get canceled, he probably wouldn't have been working on TES6 anyway. Bethesda got mad at him after he complained about them doing a live Skyrim orchestra without consulting him, IIRC.
based
frick men. They should all lose their jobs and be castrated
>t. femcel
ESO is fricking dogshit lore lol
MMOs always destroy lore and story because they have to come up with a stupid amount of content for the grind autists who play them
Play ESO beyond the vanilla MSQ and then come back and call the lore shit. The only arguably weak parts are Summerset Isle. Everything they touched upon with the Bosmer, Wrothgar, the Clockwork City and especially Elsweyr and the Khajiit was golden and the best lore we've had since Morrowind.
Mind explaining to everyone what you mean besides "weak parts"? I think people deserve to know what ESO did to the lore.
>In Summerset, players undertake a prominent questline entitled Manor of Masques to reunite a transgender woman with her estranged twin sister. The story deals with the difficult topics of coming out and acceptance in a way that reflects the lived reality of many transgender people today.
https://glaad.org/releases/elder-scrolls-online-summerset-wins-inaugural-glaad-media-award-outstanding-video-game-30th/
>in a universe with magic where you can literally change your race, be immortal, rewrite the laws of the universe or have the soul of a dragon, anon is surprised that some people might magically change their gender
The horror.
>magically change their gender
lol nope! The troony in this quest had top surgery to remove her breasts. The quest is about looking for a "man with scars on his chest". Nice try though, gay.
In addition to that, ESO finds a way to make sex changing that actually IS magical in nature homosexual and modern day troony-themed as well. They turned the Argonian male and female life-phase lore that's been present since Morrowind into something that troony Argonians with gender dysphoria do, complete with a moronic party, when in Morrowind It was something based on behavior some animals actually have irl and was meant to be one of the many aspects that make the Argonians extremely alien and animalistic compared to Tamriel's other races, blasphemous travesties of nature as the dunmer describe them.
Argonians and the hist in general are handled awfully in ESO. The lizards are supposed to be mostly devoid of individuality and alien, the hist ominous and sinister. ESO turns the creatures that are supposed to have the most alien minds and bodies in Tamriel into just scaly people, and the sinister mysterious hivemind of trees into generic benevolent caretakers that sometimes sacrifice themselves to save what are supposed to be their expendable puppets.
you can safely ignore the homosexual shit in ESO. it's like crown crates and the crown store, you can disregard it all as its just a business move to make more money.
if in 5 years time homosexual shit is shunned, you can bet every MMO will burn that shit to the ground and stop out mentions of it.
>with the Bosmer
Retconning their cannibalism habits into a fringe thing only a tiny minority of them does, toning down their gender dimorphism, retconning the wild hunt into just being giant wooden animals, and occasionally implying that Y'ffre is actually Hircine in disguise because the writers got trolled by some /tg/ anon are things that I definetly wouldn't consider to be good or as good as Morrowind.
>Play ESO
I'd rather not
Not only amounts, but also they have to shape lore around nonsense MMO mechanics and playstyles.
AD questline is disgusting. You basically brainwash a woman from Veiled Heritance to become a pseudo dryad queen and this is seen as ok, because we are muh good guys.
You are a troony for playing ESO, and TES6 will never come out.
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Is Yokuda just Japan?
Also what's on Pyandonea?
>Is Yokuda just Japan?
No, moron. That's where redguards come from
oh so Yokuda is Africa
got it
redguards in lore are omega based and racist. Hamerfell is the only region to shit on both the empire and the aldmeri dominion
Yokuda is not Africa. For one, Yokudans actually had a sophisticated culture and technology. They were an advanced race.
So were Africans.
I view Redguards as being closer to the golden age of Islam more than anything African. Minus the actual Islam stuff.
Only after ESO fully flanderized them into black arabs, finishing up what Skyrim started. In previous games, the only even remotely arab-like thing about the Redguards was their architecture. They were explicitly said to dress like bretons and Imperials, their main gimmick was being sailors (the desert was only there to explain why the Redguards all live in the coast), their names were not silly pseudo-arabic shit but rather english-like names meant to invoke american blacks and caribbeans, who their writer explicitly stated they were meant to represent.
Yokuda is where the Redguards came from. It sank which led them to migrate to Tamriel.
Pyandonea is the homeland of the Maormer who are basically "Sea Elves". They fricking hate the Altmer with a passion and worship a living God-King called Orgnum and are arguably the coolest Elvers at the moment since they can ride Sea Snakes and shit.
I like environments the game has, I guess.
But it's also a pozzed mmo.
Mmo part is self explanatory, it's GaaS the genre and therefore bad.
Pozzed part however...
The Aldmeri quest line has some really degusting and hypocritical pozz to it, I just can't stand playing it because of that.
>new Elder Scrolls game
I don't give a frick, to be honest.
TES6 is going to be bad and woke.
look at their most recent game and that's how it'll be.
it'll play like starfield so skyrim with shit melee again and you'll use shouts or some bullshit and be called the blackborn because -born is the new name for heroes in their games.
there will be a great war in the distant past that has some veterans about to give halfassed lore and an underlying or active conflict going on.
seriously, ESO will be better mechanically, lore wise and in general than the next game. Bethesda only has Todd and Emil left, Todd is the moron that made Cyrodiil inspired by LOTR trilogy and Emil is his friend that can't write coherent quests, lore is off the table.
expect to see some queer shit shoved in to maximise woke points.
it'll run like shit and look shit.
>Todd is the moron that made Cyrodiil inspired by LOTR
And ESO devs were the morons that made the Summerset Isles inspired by LOTR and every single race inspired by pozzed nu-DnD. I'd take Todd over them any day, hell I'll even take Emil.
aside from Khajiti ESO fricked the races up but they still gave us an actual look the different provinces that we would never get otherwise. without ESO we would know nothing about South of Cyrodiil
to be quite honest, the only thing i want in tes 6 is the ability to marry khajiit girls. if they fail to deliver, i will not return to the series
Don't fail me now, Todd "Pretty Kitty" Howard. On your last game, i expect you to go out with a bang
I got you bro. you can marry a Khajiit and have sex with her!
She's an Ohme though.
>She's an Ohme
Even better.
You know an Ohme is just a Human but with face markings right?
Pretty sure "Ohmes" is singular as well
>frickhuge continent is neatly divided into a few equally large kingdoms
So technically that's not true. These are just provinces of the Empire. For most of Tamriel's history it has been divided into numerous petty kingdoms. High Rock for instance is made up of like 10 Kingdoms such as Daggerfall, Camlorn and Wayrest. Argonia is made up of numerous tribes of Argonians. Morrowind is divided up between the 5 major Great Houses, alongside the various Ashlander tribes and the Tribunal itself. Valenwood is a series of petty Kingdoms ruled by the different branches of the Cameron dynasty. At various points in its history, Cyrodiil has been divided between various kingdoms as well, only becoming a unified body during the different Empires. In fact only really Alinor has been a consistently unified Kingdom throughout all of its history.
High Rock has a lot more than just 10 states, in Daggerfall alone there were over 40 petty feudal states all over the Iliac Bay. After the Warp in the West, that number wss reduced to four, but there's still probably hundreds of petty statelets and tribes all over High Rock. It's kinda the Bretons' entire gimmick.
>but there's still probably hundreds of petty statelets and tribes all over High Rock.
Outside of the Illiac Bay region that is
It isn't. Those borders are just the provinces when the whole continent was owned by one huge Empire. In practice, all of them are divided into several smaller kingdoms, city-states and tribes, except the Summerset Isles.
I am a massive fan of Elder Scrolls lore and my opinion is that I don't fricking care because Bethesda has released 4 dogshit games in a row.
yep. I'd have to be a bigger moron than I already am to care about TES and Fallout lore anymore.
I have to say I really like how they made orcs in Elder Scrolls
They aren't whitewashed. They aren't made to be mindless barbarians. They're just tribalistic isolationists who sometimes go into civilization and become city orcs.
Elder Scrolls races in general are pretty unique examples of their respective fantasy tropes
>Altmer are High Elves who are evil eugenicist nazis instead of the humans' slightly prouder sidekicks, and are currently on the rise instead of declining
>Bosmer are wood elves but their plant obsession actually leads to some unique cultural traits, like the cannibalism and the wild hunt and their material culture being all bones and stuff
>Argonians are primitive tribals who instead of being child-like and spiritual 'muh honor' morons, are intelligent, cold and calculating and the one race besides the Dwemer that doesn't worship any deity
>Imperials are expansionistic imperialists who are also extremely tolerant and cosmopolitan
The Dunmer are the most unique for me. Their culture and history is so utterly unique and it's hard to really "pigeon" hole them under any one singular trope due to how diverse they are. You have everything from selfish backstabbing ancient wizards to honour-bound warriors of faith to mercantile slavers to tribal Elves living in an Ashen hellscape. There's a reason so many TESfans are obsessed with the Dunmer, love or hate them.
What the hell are those daedra they're fighting against
CRAB BATTLE
That's the giant crab in the middle of Ald'Ruhn
oh shit you're right, I was just looking at the giant enemy crab. some ash spawn maybe?
And their raspy voices in Morrowind were cool. I wish they kept that voice in later games.
>love mining
>love smithing
>love fighting
>live in isolated mining strongholds
TES Orcs are pretty much classic fantasy Dwarves, while the actual TES Dwarves are something else entirely.
They even ally with Men often and their armor is so good tons of non-orcs use them (until Skyrim fricked up that aspect of theirs)
>fantastic world-building and lore from ESO
KEK
>Realistically, how much of the fantastic world-building and lore from ESO
ESO lore is shit, the new Daedric prince should've shown you that
>fantastic world-building
ESO is a terrible mmo wearing the skin of elder scrolls. it has the superficial appearance of skyrim in terms of gameplay but its still mmoshit. you have a hotbar with a few skills, can swap the skills based on the weapon you have but you still have to spam LMB to attack light/heavy.
seriously, do not bother with the game, its like Elder Scrolls: Bored Housewife edition. its for people with nothing better to do, who desperately feel like they need to exist in a version of tamriel 24/7, no matter how terrible and uninspired. The writing is bad fanfiction tier, the game is janky and dated, the graphics are terrible, the micro-transactions are everywhere. seriously, do not touch this game. it is the counterpart to fallout 76.
All that needs to be said about ESO really is this: in ESO, lootboxes are canon and new lore is regularly made up for store items and cited in ESO lore discussions. Not to mention they invented as literal Mary Sue of a daedric prince simply for more content.
What's this seethe over a new Daedric Prince? Almost next to frick all is known about them except that Hermaeus Mora retconned their ass out of existence so clearly they aren't as "Mary Sue" as you think if ol' squiddy beat their ass. And going by the mainline entries that didn't change.