>retail so dead we're getting a expansion for classic

Players are going to be in cities between instances and yet cities are dead af. There is no explanation other than server capacity labels are false. I get that it’s hard to admit retail is on life support but it’s obvious that it is simply by hanging out in any game city

Nice mmo where everyone is locked inside an arbitrary box LOL

>Why are retail servers ghost towns then?
uuuuh probably because unlike classic the endgame isn't just standing around in org waiting for world buffs?

>Why are retail servers ghost towns then?

Oh wow, ten other players. There’s Destiny 2 servers more populated than this

I was logged in this evening and there were five people in my full servers Orgrimmar. There’s a point at which only an actual moron would believe the server population labels

You are a moronic homosexual that doesn't even play the game dude, move on and stop making yourself look like a homosexual.

Same amount of people in org on hardcore.

They're a carry over from a cancelled mobile game aimed at the Chinese market, hence why they look so ill-fitting.

not even the chinks are that dumb
then again maybe thats why it was cancelled

Yeah the stupid tumblr dragons sank that ship for me immediately. God damn.

game was so well compartmentalized at this point that the arenahomosexuals and raidhomosexuals could sit in their versions of the game and ignore the absolute lameness of it

>Highest classic channel viewers: 5.3k
>Highest df channel viewers: 1.3k
oh no no no

Fricking cope lol
You are so clueless

Wrath has much higher raid activity than retail

>mythic numbers vs easy Black person mode
Of course the classicBlack person is using numbers without understanding the context.
Retail still has more unique characters, keep coping about your number of parses dumb Black person
You can do the same for Legion, are you going to tell us wrath classic has more players than Legion?

You Black folk are legit braindead

>castle nathria
did you just wake up from a 3 year coma?

People really can't discuss retail without mentioning the weeb game huh

And that's relevant to what?

Post current Numbers dragontroon
Hc+era+wotlkc combined and troonyflight recent raid

>castle nathria
>the patch where you needed 4 characters just to unlock all the sets has less than 4 times the players of classic

This is possibly the most blatant discord raid yet.
Nobody is making 4 alts to rush farm cosmetics that are available forever and nobody is running raids on alts they're using for cosmetic farming

>make retail troonycraft all about collecting skins for your armor and mounts
>"nooooo they don't do this!!!"
seethe

MLG/MDI is dead, Esports in America are dead, M+, raiding, and pvp are MLG/MDI / Esport content so yes it is dead as well. Since Dragonflight releases they have done monthly content patches adding massive cosmetic chases. If I where to pull numbers out of my ass 90% of the players still playing do cosmetic chases and 10% still do raiding, pvp, and arena. To give an example, during BC classic Sunwell, more Warlocks raided Sunwell then all of players raiding in retail together.

This is the state of retail raiding
>weekly for a month and a half will be timewalking
>timewalking weekly rewards heroic raid gear
>basically get heroic raid geared doing timewalking if you don't miss a week.

The biggest challenge is hoping your tanks knows this fight and if not hoping they speak english.

You have no idea how dedicated boosters operate, do you?

>valid criticisms of shitolands
>discord raid
jesus blizzard shills are so pathetic and lazy

No one plays retail
Keep coping
No one cares about a sodomite expansion

WoW classic carries google trends too, but the retail copes will continue.

People playing retail aren't right in the head, it's the bottom of the fricking barrel.

Need to make Warcraft cool again.

Gay centaurs and tumblr dragons didn't appeal to the Warcraft audience? What the FRICK, dude?!

No one cares about retail anymore
Keep coping

>twitch viewers
huh? we're talking about people playing the game.

I accept your concession.

>2 hc servers
>BRO TRUST ME CLASSIC HAS MORE PLAYERS CHECK TWITCH!
HRT is destroying your brain little troon

has like x10 more players then retail.
>source
>CHECK TWITCH VIEWS
LMAO
You must be a moronic asmongold viewer

It's kind of disgusting that a fan reverse engineering of official servers runs more performantly than the original code is was based on. Modern WoW servers are such garbage they can't even run Ashran or Wintergrasp without the game turning into a slideshow

It's kind of disgusting that a fan reverse engineering of official servers runs more performantly than the original code is was based on. Modern WoW servers are such garbage they can't even run Ashran or Wintergrasp without the game turning into a slideshow

Because all the technical developers at blizzard today are commiefornian techbros who don't understand that the end product needs to be usable by the consumer and not something they really want to see.

All the technical shit under the hood of WOW is impressive, but ultimately it actually ruins the fundemental experience. Kind of like how "UX designers" have ruined the basic functionality of modern day user interfaces because they want to throw in a billion bells and whistles to make it look better, when all I fricking want is jpeg buttons to click on to navigate a website

Nost had rubber banding after 6k people. I was an UD Priest doing the gnoll quests north of Brill, I had killed a number of gnolls and suddenly it was like a 5 minute rewind and none of the ichor I collected (nor the small pouch I had equipped already) evaporated.
Okay, whatever, bugs happen. Kinda weird it rewound time, so I do it all again.
No pouch dropped, so the server basically soft reset live. Anyway the next 5 hours while world chat loses its mind about player metrics the server simply got shittier and shittier.

Now if you played in Teldrassil or Dun Morogh the server ran pretty good, fewer players in those areas compared to places like Tirisfal or Elwynn. And at night the servers did a lot better but around 9-10am when people woke up and got on the server started rubber banding again.
And no it wasn't an issue on my end, plenty of people were talking about it, but everybody wanted to jerk Nost off.

Also Wintergrasp during actual Wrath was a shitshow for months. I played on one of the biggest servers in the game during WoW's absolute peak where the factions were 55:45 split. We had queue times to log in even at night for like 2 weeks after a new patch, and some Tuesdays queue times still happened weeks in. If you played on some medium pop server WG ran fine, but anybody on a High-Full server knows the truth.
Frick, the Dark Portal during TBC caused so many crashes they gave us half a level of rested exp for free as an apology. Dalaran lagged BAD for months after Wrath launched.
OG Vanilla ran okay until BWL opened and then Eastern Kingdoms took a nosedive cause you had so many players in Searing Gorge, Badlands, Burning Steppes, Blackrock Mtn doing LBRS/UBRS/BRC/MC/BWL simultaneously.
AQ Gate Opening actually caused a data center to crash, I think it was Battlegroup 3 out of Chicago simply couldn't log in.

All you fricking zoomers who didn't play just repeating shit you read from boomers with rose tinted glasses.

Yep, doing UBRS runs until your war had his set. So much fun with friends. Time to let it go.

Never happened

Now THIS is cope.

>new season, same dungeons

Actual lie. It's been rotating dungeon pools for multiple years, nearly half of M+s lifespan.
The point of doing the content and keys and pushing it is the content itself, playing the video game, which is why rewards cap out. Classic players genuinely bewildering me with the fricking monumental levels of cope they huff every thread. The "new season same dungeon" shit is blasting me holy shit. You're not just wrong, you're doing the EXACT same content 19 years later how is that a point lol

these shit eating junkies sperging out at people who are using a bit of hyperbole to expose how dogshit awful and brutal retoilet is to gamers who have standards and self respect, the sheer SEETHING lmao.

Your second job is abusing you and you are deeply mentally ill, both of you, literally the only man i know who enjoys retail irl is a bipolar manic depressive who uses it to escape his own mind, he also tries to quit it like a drug and fails periodically. I consider him far saner than either of you, because he'd never cope and seethe online over people who dont want to play it and think its bad.

>muh mechanics
you morons always out yourself, no one cares but you, whatever veneer of god gamer status you think you have, it is am illusion and when you log off the game you are still a gigantic homosexual IRL

They took the challenge mode in MOP and turned it in the standard endgame and destroyed the relevancy of any of the casual endgame modes like heroic dungeons. The average player doesn't want to do this stressful shit

They turned dungeons into high level arena, and it attracts all the same kind of antisocial nutcases, so dungeons went from being a relaxed way to improve your character to a hurtbox crucible of misery

Modern M+ you're grouping with randoms who forgot basic social graces and have severe anger issues. Games are meant to be enjoyable but these people missed that memo

It's fine for them to all congregate in some sperg containment away from everyone else, but M+ is not containment, it's the main endgame. If you want to progress, you have to associate with these people

I've heard arena isn't in great shape either with rating inflation, where people get 2800 rating but due to low population they still don't get gladiator so that isn't a great option either

I'm perfectly capable of playing well, I just don't want to spend my gaming time doing stressful content. It defeats the purpose of gaming for relaxation. It's the same feeling as queueing for ladder in Starcraft 2 - it's masochism, most people don't enjoy that shit

I can't imagine why Dragonflight might be having popularity problems with players as charming as you to play with. Heaven forbid people play games for fun instead of being a tryhard esports homosexual like yourself

No you spergy homosexuals make it unenjoyable for everyone, you have no anger control, you foam at the mouth the second someone doesn't do the most basic inconsequential action the exact way you would have and then justify being passive agressive or an outright piece of shit to someone who just wants to play a game. I blame Blizzard more for forcing you cretins on us sane people

I'm not because I haven't tried M+ since BFA and after completing it for 1 week never did it ever again because I didn't need more than 1 week to know it was one of the worst game modes ever introduced in any game. Enjoy it though anon, you are mommies big boy!!

It's really telling just how terrible you are at WoW that you think basic competency checks are autistic

I'm calling you bad because it's the root of all your issues, yet you can't accept that you're the issue
People love having good players in their groups, it makes the game more fun, when you keep getting complained about the issue is that you haven't figured out how to play WoW after almost 20 years and are dragging down others.
You don't have to be a try hard pro gamer to clear all the keys you need for gearing, but keep trying to cope

I'm not because I haven't tried M+ since BFA and after completing it for 1 week never did it ever again because I didn't need more than 1 week to know it was one of the worst game modes ever introduced in any game. Enjoy it though anon, you are mommies big boy!!

Sure you did bro you totally did well and then just stopped because....uh....

>timers
Makes everything unneccessarily stressful.

>Dungeons were worthless content pre Legion
Congrats on revealing you have no idea how dungeons worked prior to Legion

The difficulty doesnt come from the dungeon itself but from the players, who sperg out about anything. Even 20+ can be enjoyable but your green/blue parsing shitters ruin it with their nevernding lectures and insights. Not to mention the leavers once a minor hiccup occurs or you dont do the way the guide says.
>t. tank

>Dungeons were worthless content pre Legion
to you, I always enjoyed dungeons in every version of WoW no matter my gear level.

Tell me anon, what progression was there in classic?
You clear all dungeons on your first visit
You clear all raids in 1 shot because they're a joke
Meanwhile it takes months to chew through mythic raids in retail
It seems pretty obvious what has progression and what doesn't

>progression isn't progression its killing bears to collect bear asses x10
lol
>with your bros
A defining feature of vanilla is questing being solo friendly. Raiding is the content you actually play with your bros

Multiple elite quests you skip
>and dungeons
Guess what? Retail has the more complete dungeon content. But it's amazing how not even 1 post in you pivot away from questing

>Skipping content means there is no content.
Move the goalposts again

solo friendly doesn't mean playing with friends was bad

You didn't kill mobs in 2-3 globals in classic like you do in retail, playing with friends in classic is still an advantage, easier to run dungeons, easier to kill mobs, when mobs die faster, there is significantly less down time so less eating/bandages/drinking, in retail you're boosted to 60 and having a friend join you will cut your EXP gains so hard that its just not fricking worth it

>people don't like parsing
>b-but muh world buffs
Lmfao
World buff autism was all FOR parsing you stupid homosexual. What you mean is you and other subhumans (let's be very clear, you and your ilk are not people) don't like is parsing being skill based

minmaxing epeen homosexuals are truly the lowest form of life in the mmos

>Thats cool, but you still revisited to get items
So exactly like retail, but without any depth to the content. Got it.
>Because classic has been a solved game for 15 years with way more boss mods playing the game for you?
The frick are boss mods (which already existed in vanilla btw) doing when the boss has 1 mechanic? Why are you totally incapable of admitting the bosses were undertuned and badly designed?
>Big fricking doubt, a mythic raiding guild that can't clear mythic within a month of the WFR ending and all the nerfs rolled out, it falls apart as anyone worth a frick looks for a new guild
You absolutely have never raided and it couldn't be more obvious. This tier it took over a month for Hall of Fame to close (late June, raid dropped early May). 90+% of CE guilds take months to clear you actual larping moron

People still wipe to Nagafen and Vox too

>badly designed
WoW literally pioneered the boilerplate design for tab target raid mechanics. Absolutely no mmo in 2004 had anything like Ragnaros. Games like anarchy and FF11 were absolute slogs to play with their 20 hour bosses you fought with drool dried to your chin.

Classic bosses are easy in retrospect, specifically because they're the core baseline for what games like retail and FFXIV iterated on.

The crazy part is, I actually do enjoy high stress, high stakes gameplay sometimes, my job is even high pressure, I live it literally everyday. I just don't want to be subjected to homosexuals like that other sperg and enjoy high end gameplay in an environment where it can be serious but also fun. The biggest issue for me is M+ is essentially a requirement, and turned dungeons into mini LFR with an even higher skill cap. To your point dungeons were always a chill way to enjoy the game even if you didn't need the gear, farm mats, help friends or lowbies, etc. My other issue is I've never had IRL gamer friends who liked playing at the level I did so I've always relied on meeting people online. My online groups have long since disbanded and the thought of pairing up with the insufferable tryhards still doing that content is enough for me to just elect not to bother.

found the troony

The average player loved M+ in Legion because it was novel and the dungeons were honestly pretty good. Its shelf life was one expansion for most of the playerbase and now it has either mindbroken most people or driven them to quit from burn out.

Classic wasn't out in Legion.

I never played played WC4 so I'm definitely not anything.

You however definitely are one of those people going around accusing random people for the percieved sins of gaming companies. You should sort yourself out and stop acting like a moron.

You have brain problems. I'm not even remotely mad. if anything I'm mildy amused by your insane ramblings.

It's Blizzard's image that is at stake; their IPs are just branches from whence the rot extends. They need to purge the woke out of their company.

>He thinks killing a 'rare' spawn once a week for a 0.01% at a mount or battle pet is 'content'

This dude took so much shit for Assram, and I don't know if it's because I was addicted or the content was actually good but I eventually began to like it.

Won't happen in today's social climate sadly. It was virgin territory at the time of launch, MMOs not really gone mainstream even with RS and EQ; these were niche experiences exclusive to the biggest geeks.

Part of it has been the desperation to keep the game a cash cow, and today this means pandering to the current generation of gamers. Unfortunately, Blizzard is no longer a bleeding edge content creator and Activision forces them to bend the knee to whatever the social climate looks like. I'm surprised there aren't BLM protests to burn down Goldshire for being too Elvish by now.

I wouldn't know. I bought DF like an idiot and finished all the early races flying around and then quit. It didn't have any charm. Had some cool ideas but even the way the writers discarded Arthas' spirit at the end of the last xpac just left me feeling like it was finally over.

>A NEW AGE OF FEMINISM HAS ARISEN!

WELP

>and demanded everything be made for 11 year old timmy frick face
That's what WoW literally was in 2005 lmao. It was the kiddy version of Everquest.
t. some 39 year old who spent his sophomore summer year in college in 2003 with guild in EQ going through Tier-3/4 raid content in PoP.

>a new generation of 11 year olds dont care about an almost two decade *old thing*
No way.

>Targeting PG16 makes more sense,
16 year olds aren't playing WoW either.

I'm not the guy you were replying to.

Hearthstone already did "Warcraft but le wacky" and was successful for a long time

A game doesn't need to last forever for it to be a success, anon. It made them a lot of money and thats all they care about. Arclight Rumble will also make money despite tarnishing the visual legacy of Warcraft, because normies dont really care about that. In fact, I'd be willing to bet they prefer the new style. The reason WoW is dying has nothing to do with that, its because MMOs are a genre for boomers that nobody wants to play anymore.

>make diablo mobile game
>it plays like a diablo game
>big $$$
>make a wow mobile game
>it plays nothing like wow
>instant flop
what the actual frick where they thinking? hearthstone being a success for it's first 2-3 years really gaslighted Blizzard into thinking any LE WACKY SILLY warcraft game could sell.

I had a theory that something like this was the reason. SL was inadvertently a massive culling of anyone with any standards

>WOD's launch was hype as frick, and died a litteral month later because all you did is sit in your garrison all day
Versus what, sitting in Shat, Dal, SW/Org or Shrine all day?

>anyone with any standards
But the destination for a lot of the people quitting was FF14, a game built for the PS3 that has leveling that is the antithesis of WoW. To their credit, at least they appropriately treat PvP like a minigame.

WoW wasn't designed around a controller and wi-fi connections.

WoW's gameplay is smoother than XIV because it's not designed around console limitations. XIV is lucky it gets away with it because people wanna play dress up and do social shit, but the gameplay is a huge downgrade compared to WoW.

Everyone who has any complaints about WOW in 2023 left the game in shadowlands or BFA and gives zero fricks about dragonflight.

Timegating for endgame gear and timegating to PROGRESS YOUR FRICKING PROFESSION are two totally different things.
Stop being a fricking bootlicker.