>sniper rifles ruin every multiplayer FPS they're in
>yet they are introduced to every single one
Explain this logic to me
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>sniper rifles ruin every multiplayer FPS they're in. >yet they are introduced to every single one
It's a skill based weapon type so it's either terrible or overpowered depending on the person playing.
A weapon is not justified in being insanely overpowered just because only 10% of the playerbase can use it effectively. That just creates an insanely wide power gap that leads to very unfun matches for 90% of the population.
the problem these days is there's too many homosexuals trying to be the next big streamer on [game with sniper] so it's spammed by all the copycats and copycopycats and so forth. was barely an issue when i was a youngin fricking around isla innocentes
>point and click on head from distance
>any more skillful than point and click on head from close distance
It's not 1999 anymore, nobody does quake movement where aiming and dodging are actually skill based.
Try it in a game without hitscan. Ain't so easy.
anon, most snipers in games nowadays don't have their bullets teleport to the target's skulls instantly.
you now have to account for the bullet drop and the hit delay
Incorrect logic. Specifically
>sniper rifles ruin every multiplayer FPS they're in
is not true. The premise of your argument is faulty.
name one actually well-balanced sniper rifle
>literally killed the game
you are not supposed to hack
Likelihood of hacking should always be factored in game design. It doesn't magically not happen because you say it's not supposed to.
Consider the likelihood when OP said "sniper rifles ruin every multiplayer FPS they're in" he was also including the FPS getting ruined because of what sniper rifles become with aimbots to begin with.
You're not supposed to do 150 damage in less than a second either
All the tf sniper bots filtered me
Game is literally better without him
I just remembered thanks to a video that TF2 used to have random damage before the meet your match update so body shots were a gamble if they kill you or not and make more sense that way
>Oneshots like spy
>Without risk of the spy.
>spy
>risk
they took that away with ringer
In general all snipers are well balanced because they're 100% skill based.
At lower ranks they're balanced because most players are shit.
At mid ranks they suck because sometimes a high tier player can be stuck in there because he's bad at the game but has solid mechanics, and he dunks on scrubs
At high ranks they're balanced because everyone is good and other things like positioning matter much more
name one actually well-balanced sniper rifle
AWP
Widowmaker
TF2 sniper
Operator (Valorant)
Any Battlefield sniper
Widowmaker only had to land 2 body shots on half the heroes
Name one unbalanced sniper
Tribes sniper class, it was highly effective in hands of a skilled player but really hard to pull off so almost nobody played it. That counts as balanced?
This hypothesis is disproven by something like TF2, where the theoretical skill ceiling of "really good player" just shits all over the rest of the game. No one even pretends that a high level Sniper doesn't dictate who is going to be winning. Unless he queues into a random matchmaking game during the last 10 seconds with 8 enemies already standing on the last point, there is no counter to a good Sniper. Pro players accept this because they face those guys regularly enough to know, and ordinary players know this because you can just have a robot play Sniper optimally and he immediately starts winning the entire game for his team and both cheat so that caveat is moot LOL
>No one even pretends that a high level Sniper doesn't dictate who is going to be winning
Probably because no one has to pretend. Go to any autistic sniper main's youtube channel and you'll see them lose matches all the time
Even the highest tier players cannot compensate for a shit team
In tf2 one highly skilled player on almost any class can dictate the game moron.
That's not true (example scout is notorious for being the second most busted class in the game but he has absolutely nothing to do on any map payload last), and even if it was there is always counterplay to a good soldier or demo, and you're able to fight back as well. This does not apply to the Sniper. He's not playing the same midrange game that every single other class plays, so no one can interact with him, so he has no counters.
There are so many problems with Sniper's design in TF2 it's actually unreal
No it is true. In pubs, demo is op as shit, soldier is op as shit, heavy with good positioning is op as shit, spy is op as shit, a medic that can coordinate the team is op as shit, engineer with good building placement is op as shit, ect.
every bolt action in planetside 2 except the cqc unscoped ones
all the sniper rifles in Red Orchestra and Rising Storm games are balanced because almost all weapons in the game kill with one shot anyway, the only advantage sniper rifles have is that they have a scope, but if you're just good with ironsights than a normal rifleman can easily outsnipe a sniper
*then a normal rifleman can easily outsnipe a sniper
Most realistic shooters are like that where the differences between weapons don't really matter too much beyond maybe fire rate and mag size because everything is insta-kill. It's kind of a lazy answer for something that's well-balanced.
lazy but correct
The best kind of correct.
This. No idea why Ganker b***hes over sniper rifles so much.
They're not a problem in FPS games with fluid, PC-oriented movement because you can actually strafe around and use cover effectively once you're alert to a sniper's location.
They either suck ass or they're too good and get abused by low IQ morons.
And when developers try to make them harder to use then people just screech or spend autistic amount of time mastering them.
its like a one trick pony playstyle that fricks the sandbox in every game.
I get where you're coming from. Making it so that snipers couldn't headshot below high competitive ranks would probably "fix" them
One big problem with TF2 is cheating. I guess if your game doesn't have any good anticheat measures then snipers can be pretty bad.
>One big problem with TF2 is cheating
Yes but it's also becoming a problem in all online games. Valorant couldn't spend even 1 day without people selling kernel-level cheat software that you'll just never catch without human intervention. Why are instant kill hitscan weapons even in video games anymore?
They're just one of many reasons why I stopped playing pvp.
This is why you don't let the janitor "balance" your game.
>lust provoking image
That means it will receive janny protection.
Halo was legitimately the only multiplayer FPS where I felt like I could challenge the sniper.
If ANY type of damage was dealt to a enemy player using zoom then it would just kick them out of ADS and that mechanic went on to filter so many bad players. Not that the sniper wasn't strong but if you just spraying bullets at someone from a distance it was enough to frick with their aim and make it less oppressive.
So just like the AWP and OP
ironically the sniper is so well balanced that the DMR completely shits all over it in the reach PC port
Take some cover
No one plays sniper rifles like theyre supposed to be anyway
only aim assist console shitters crying about snipers because its only type of weapon that is better on kbm
Several modern games make snipers worse on mnk purposefully while giving free headshots to controller players. See Fortnite, Apex, Destiny, Halo, etc. The only games I see this not being true are the games that don't have a controller playerbase like Counterstrike.
Barely notice them in hell let loose because any rifleman can one shot you from 300 meters
faster
God I hate games like that. I can't even SEE shit at 300 meters, I don't want to inspect individual pixels all game.
I seed for noa
Being paired up with morons that will give snipers free kills is what ruins games for me
Just make it so you can't 1shot with a sniper rifle.
Even a clean perfect range headshot should leave the player with at least 1 hp left so there's time to respond
>Gigantic has a sniper
>Love seeing her on the enemy team
>Play assassin
>Spend all game scaring the shit out of her
>Low TTK means I get to have fun chasing down the half-dead sniper while she runs for her life
>Balance means she knows she's fricked without her team and has no real way to turn this 1v1 around without them
The issue shouldnt be
>Skilled vs unskilled Sniper Rifle users
The issue is
>Skilled Sniper Rifle user vs Skilled user of any other weapon
When a skilled Sniper Rifle is infinitely more valuable than a skilled Shotgun guy or a skilled Rifle guy, therein lies your shitty game balance, because why would anyone want to pick anything else?
Varied team comp is important, but when one guy gets to pick the "I get more safe kills than anyone else and carry the team" weapon, that's poor game balance
I think Snipers are gay because getting really good at clicking heads with perfect accuracy is a cool and all but movement is even cooler. Taking the role of a Sniper depraves you of either your movement ability or incentive. I think giving Snipers are reason to get in and use their feet would be cool. Also manually reloading for Snipers is cool. Like a quick little minigame you can either frick up or preform well which will contribute to the power and speed of your next shot.
Devs are morons.
Stop standing around in the same place all the time.
They only ruin trash games with aim correction that llow for 360noscope bullshit.
just got a victory royale from camping and sniping. Seethe Tophaggot.
The problem with sniper rifles in FPS games is they generally lack ANY of the drawbacks present IRL.
A sniper rifle is cumbersome to lug around, let alone fire when not mounted, yet FPS games generally let snipers run willy nilly and quickscope.
>be me
>don't even really enjoy fps games
>every year, buy the new CoD anyway
>make a sniper class
>the ONLY class I'll ever make
>sit in the back of the map
>use all the b***h equipment
>IED's, claymores, proxy mines, ammo bags, heartbeat sensor, whatever people hate
>snipe from the back corner of the map like an immobile degenerate
>usually only takes 2/3 games before I have a slew of hate messages
>laugh my ass off
>provoke them in DMs
>they hurl more vitriol at me
>start jerking off to it
>send voice message of me cooming
Why am I the way I am? I could be doing something useful with my time, but no. This is what I do.
you forgot the part where you report them for harassment after "innocently" egging them on
toph feet
Instant kills just feel bad, even if they're theoretically balanced. Widowmemer in Overbotch is a good example; there are multiple ways to essentially shut her down, but it's not fun to interact with her because of it. Either you basically invalidate her existence by sitting on top of her as Winston or something, thus resulting in either the player having to switch or just be a total deficit for the rest of the match, or she gets near totally unrestricted free reign to click heads as they come around corners, meaning the enemy team don't even get to play the game now unless they specifically do the thing to make her irrelevant. Balancing her free reign phase by player skill, even ignoring the cheating potential, just means she's totally inconsistent as a character; that's not actual balance even if it averages out to 50/50. She is often cited as being part of what killed the competitive scene, being the deciding factor in early matches and part of the cause of the shield obsession later to take her out of the equation.
Much of this applies to other sniper kits. The AWP feels bad to play against. There are ways to mitigate its oneshot potential, but it's not FUN to do that and standing still and clicking toes isn't FUN for anyone with a functioning brain.
>Instant kills just feel bad
Shotguns are fine though.
no they don't
>Splatoon
>Sniper weapons are largely balanced, good in the hands of a good player but reasonable to play around
>Then the e-liter which outranges everything in the game by a large margin and map design basically has to bend to account for it
I hate it
>shitter can't figure out sight lines
good thing you posted a blind character as your image because you two have a lot in common it would appear
Reads like a samegay. Just let it go, you are allergic to fun
Shotguns are worse.
git gud
literally a skill issue
tl;dr its fine for snipers to exist, they just need downsides ie suck at close quarters
How can she have eyebags if she's blind?
they are literal shotguns in video games, battlefield was like one of the only games that kinda required skill to snipe but even then it was easy
I want a blind gf
Explain why
>have blind friend in elementary
>princess of the class
>everyone loves her
>even if she holds up the lines when walking between classes to lunch because of her careful walk
>get close to her
>spaghetti and call her "babe"
>she repeats, "babe?" confused
>spaghetti spaghetti spaghetti
>never talk to her again
>I see her again in highschool
>make sure to never say a damn word in earshot
I daresay garden warfare snipers are pretty balanced, cactus and deadbeard have zero mobility options sans BFN
Feet.
battlefield has ok sniper balance
it took them about 8 games into the series to figure out how to not make them not just ruin the game
I say snipers in 1 are more balanced due to suppression being stronger, trying to snipe an LMG in 4 gets you killed
1 is just overall very balanced. Each class is good at a specific range and shit at others, with the exception of support being okay at everything.
planes are still a dick though due to infinite ammo, repairs, and limited anti air
i had many matches where some 1000 hour autist was killing everyone, and his other squad members were camping the AA guns
planes are significantly less annoying in 1 than other games. If nothing else you can just be an annoying homosexual with a machine gun and support box to shoot at them
Must be my dumb luck then, i keep getting divebombed for no reason
git gud
It makes zoomers and alphoomers coom when they can oneshot shit.
Thats why fps has sniper rifles.
Thats why RIOTgames keeps tank going to trash once people get broken anti tank items.
>noooooooo sniperinos
Skill issue, unironically.
People like them
But I get where you're coming from, 1 hitting at a range is very strong, and if they handle well and the game commits the cardinal sin of 1 tap body shots w/ snipers (some cods do this) then its really bad
I'd even argue shotguns are awful for games too, since it sort of encourages mindless rushing and invalidates smgs + handguns
>he still plays multiplayer fps
>in the age of the dread horde of hardware cheating chinkoids
Online fps is a dead genre lol cheats got too good