So, were they real ancient and future pokemon, or were they made up by the machine?

So, were they real ancient and future pokemon, or were they made up by the machine?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're from alternate timelines

      they're real but from different timelines.

      It's because they were imagined they had the power to become real

      This is not a fanfic thread.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Your whole life is Chris-chan's fanfic

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Still seething, eh timetravelschizo?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Still going to bed, eh imaginationpsycho?

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're from alternate timelines

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    These are literal Pokemon from the past and future. It's a time machine.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      how did heath see paradox pokemon 200 years ago btw? no fanfic headcanons, in-game proof only

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Paradox Latios just flew over my house!

        source: me

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's quite literally the only mystery, of which there are several possible explanation that grasp at straws less than imagination does.
        I'll admit, in order to address this, us timegays presented several possible explanations (cogita mentioning the space time rift having aftereffects in the same "200 years ago" timeframe as heath's expedition, the professor's earlier failures they mentioned were the machine pulling mons to the wrong time initially, terapagos pulling them in to its time to defend it from heath temporarily and thus dissapearing soon after like the younger professor in kitakami, a past or future people using time travel, etc.) all of which have never actually been disproven, are hinted at at some point, don't contradict one word of in-game canon, and would, in any other generation, be taken as perfectly valid theory-making by the fans. What the fans didn't do in previous gens, however, is say that at the first inkling of any mystery there must be some sort of massive lie and a bait/switch the game gave us and throw out everything the game says that we know for sure just because there are other mysteries. Just as any of these are not definitively proven, they are objectively (bad word I know) less of a stretch than the schizophrenia we've seen from YouTube the last couple years with muh imagination.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Terapagos literally pulled the professor from the past to the Crystal Pools in Kitakami so it likely pulled the paradox Pokemon from the past/future into Area Zero as well - hence Heath sees them.

        The time machine was built for people to do it themselves without Terapagos, Terapagos was deep underground stuck in a gemstone so it probably couldn't do it anymore.

        Does anyone pay attention to the games at all?

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they're real but from different timelines.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's because they were imagined they had the power to become real

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They were ancient and future Pokemon that arrived because of the time machine.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >he thinks pokemon become robots in the future

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >He thinks everything won't be robots in the future

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Time machine is the only thing that makes me not dislike the concept. Weird alternate timelines or imagination-made-real just feels too busybody in terms of explanation.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It being a literal time machine is the worst, most nonsensical explanation and it takes a giant piss all over the world building of the series.
      >dude the johto legendaries and magneton and amoonguss were dinosaurs because…they just were lmao!!!

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        anon it's a kid series
        they have to choreograph the dichotomy between a group of past and future mons in a way that's visually recognizable to anyone. Not everyone watched future is wild

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >anon it's a kid series
          That still has thought put into its world building, yes.

          > they have to choreograph the dichotomy between a group of past and future mons in a way that's visually recognizable to anyone
          No, what they did choreograph is that the Pokemon blatantly make no sense. Which is why they’re called PARADOX Pokemon and not “Past/Future Pokemon”.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >That still has thought put into its world building
            Yeah and the worldbuilding is still intact you drooling YouTuber-cuck. Design-wise, they make all the sense in the world for a group of pokemon from the past and future in a game that's for kids.
            >the pokemon blatantly make no sense
            again, the only thing that isn't explained is how exactly heath saw them, which was already delved into here

            That's quite literally the only mystery, of which there are several possible explanation that grasp at straws less than imagination does.
            I'll admit, in order to address this, us timegays presented several possible explanations (cogita mentioning the space time rift having aftereffects in the same "200 years ago" timeframe as heath's expedition, the professor's earlier failures they mentioned were the machine pulling mons to the wrong time initially, terapagos pulling them in to its time to defend it from heath temporarily and thus dissapearing soon after like the younger professor in kitakami, a past or future people using time travel, etc.) all of which have never actually been disproven, are hinted at at some point, don't contradict one word of in-game canon, and would, in any other generation, be taken as perfectly valid theory-making by the fans. What the fans didn't do in previous gens, however, is say that at the first inkling of any mystery there must be some sort of massive lie and a bait/switch the game gave us and throw out everything the game says that we know for sure just because there are other mysteries. Just as any of these are not definitively proven, they are objectively (bad word I know) less of a stretch than the schizophrenia we've seen from YouTube the last couple years with muh imagination.

            >they're called on and not the other
            they're called both because they seemed contradictory before the game revealed them being from the past and future. That's what they're called as well; in-game and across all the medias of the franchise. As a group, they're called paradox pokemon, but that group is divided between ancient and future pokemon. Sorry you hear words only selectively

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Yeah and the worldbuilding is still intact
              Yes, because the game established the Pokemon are from different timelines.

              >again, the only thing that isn't explained is how exactly heath saw them
              And how there are dinosaur versions of Pokemon based on artificial objects. And how there are dinosaur versions of legendary Pokemon. And how there’s an ancient Volcarona even though the game goes out of its way to point out no ancient Volcarona exists.

              > they're called both because they seemed contradictory
              And they still are, because they don’t belong to the same timeline. It would be as moronic as calling fossil Pokemon Paradox Pokemon.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >because the game established
                thats fanfic. It was stated they're from the past and future. What the professor planned on doing before ever seeing a paradox at all doesn't change shit
                >magneton
                not man-made, as the series already established
                >legendaries
                this is not a contradiction
                >no ancient volcarona exists
                no, no fossils have been found. Not only is this coming from occulture of all places, but that's also realistic. We know most species from the past have never fossilized, so a Time Machine would be very useful to a scientist who wants to see the other 90% of life that existed back then.
                Also, by your standard, they went "out of their way" to suggest that foongus inspired pokeballs, except this time it isn't a blatant click baiter saying it
                >And they still are
                No, they were a cryptic mystery in the main game until you completed The Way Home, where their origins were addressed thoroughly
                > "Some of the life-forms that you see residing now within Area Zero...are ancient Pokémon that lived in a distant day we have yet to see." "The Zero Lab, where I am located, contains a time machine. It summons the ancient Pokémon to this place."
                > Koraidon, which I entrusted to <player>...was the first Pokémon that was successfully retrieved from the past by the time machine."
                >"Through analysis of its genetic makeup, as well as its behavioral patterns...I came to realize that what I had discovered was in fact an ancient form of Cyclizar, the Pokémon commonly ridden in this region."
                > "The time machine is a device that the original professor and I worked on together. It sends Poké Balls to a different point on the timeline to catch Pokémon there, and it can then draw them back here to the present. When she was alive, Professor Sada had a great fascination with Pokémon from another age—what you might call ancient Pokémon. Even as we speak, the time machine continues to automatically draw ancient Pokémon to this time. Is there anything else you wish to ask?"

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >thats fanfic
                Referencing things the game literally says and establishes isn't a fanfic. It literally has to be multiple timelines because the professor doesn't have their copy of the book anymore after you trade with them.

                >not man-made
                I didn't say it's man-made.

                >this is not a contradiction
                It's either a contradiction or a massive contrivance that takes a giant piss on the world building.

                >no, no fossils have been found
                Yes. And the writers went out of their way to write that into the game. Why do you think that is?

                >No, they were a cryptic mystery in the main game
                Cryptic mystery != Paradox.

                >where their origins were addressed thoroughly
                As Pokemon from alternate timelines, yes.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Referencing things the game literally says and establishes
                Again, what the professor planned on doing before ever seeing a paradox at all doesn't change shit. It's MORE established that they're past and future mons
                >I didn't say it was man-made
                good, so there's no contradiction that it has an ancient ancestor
                >contrivance
                How does the Beasts having ancestors ruin worldbuilding? I have nostalgia for the originals too and like them more, but that doesn't mean I get to pretend the rest of the series is not canon, as good as that would be.
                >Why do you think that is?
                Not only is this coming from occulture of all places, but that's also realistic. We know most species from the past have never fossilized, so a Time Machine would be very useful to a scientist who wants to see the other 90% of life that existed back then.
                Also, by your standard, they went "out of their way" to suggest that foongus inspired pokeballs, except this time it isn't a blatant click baiter saying it
                >semanticsgayging
                They seemed paradoxical before the professor explained where they are from. That's why they are Paradox Pokémon.
                >as (fanfic)
                nice try, but nope

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >completely dodges the point about the professor not having the book therefore it literally has to be different timelines
                concession accepted, timetravelschizo

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is there only one copy in the world or something?
                >b-but muh key to the machine!
                Was obvious made after their encounter with you, not before. They just got another book, moron.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And they just HAPPENED to write their name EXACTLY the same way they did when they were a kid as soon as they got a second book to a point where it's literally indistinguishable from the original?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >hey just HAPPENED to write their name EXACTLY the same way they did when they were a kid
                First of all, all it says is that their handwriting is clumsy, not that they wrote it when they were a kid. The professor was quite literally scrambling to get their machine to work tirelessly in area zero for years. It's easy to imagine they hurried to get another book. Te only thing about it being from their childhood is that they read it in their childhood.

                >Is there only one copy in the world or something?
                Of the professor's copy? That has the specific messy writing in it? Yes.

                Anon, if the professor gets another copy, that becomes their copy now.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >all it says is that their handwriting is clumsy, not that they wrote it when they were a kid.
                Are you fricking moronic? Why would a PROFESSOR have CLUMSY handwriting? Come the frick on anon, you can't be serious

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Why would a PROFESSOR have CLUMSY handwriting?
                Many adults have clumsy handwriting, moron. Take Professor Elm for example. Always in a rush and half assing shit he does.
                >volume
                This doesn't mean "copy", moron. When someone says "they loved that volume since childhood" it's moreso referring to them loving the content of that book, not having some inexplicable attachment to that exact copy of the book.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                "Clumsy" is absolutely not the same thing as "rushed". Also note how they used "clumsy" for the Pokemon bed in the lighthouse lab where Arven wrote "Maschiff" on when he was a little kid.
                >This doesn't mean "copy", moron.
                Yes it does when it's about a book that does NOT consist of a series. The Violet Book is not part of a series. The AI just talks eloquently and says volume instead of copy. It's the same fricking book.

                Now stop embarrassing yourself.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Is there only one copy in the world or something?
                Of the professor's copy? That has the specific messy writing in it? Yes.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I also don't like that they made myth legendaries into paradoxes. If it was like, the Kanto bird trio or Heatran or something, I would think, "Yeah, a dinosaur version of them makes more sense".

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    please tell me these threads are a fricking meme
    please

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because they're so blatantly imagination it's really easy to bait by suggesting there's any possibility of them being time travel.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The professors literally point out several times that Paradox Pokemon come from different points of Pokemon world history/future. They literally pulled these Pokemon out of those times into the present with their TIME MACHINE.
        The imagination argument is moronic fanfiction.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The answer is irrelevant because as long as Arceus is accepting of their existence, everyone else has no choice but to accept it too, just like how Arceus had no issue with the likes of Porygon and Castform, and ESPECIALLY had no issue with Mewtwo or the Galar Fossils.
    Give it a few games, there'll be enough spacetime bullfrickery that the Paradoxes will be just as viably reoccurring as the Ultra Beasts and people will stop caring about where they came from until Paldea Remakes.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Arceus is accepting of their existence
      You look at them and tell me there is an Arceus.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Legends: Arceus says yes.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Legends: Arceus a story about a person in modern day Sinnoh falling into a coma and having a weird dream based on their (incorrect) knowledge of history.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the game says it's time travel because it's time travel, it was never going to be some stupid bait and switch. they're from the past and future.
    >inb4 muh alternate timelines
    "no"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the game literally says "timelines"

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        mistranslation of "time axis", as in the direction that goes forwards and backwards in time.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >mistranslation
          see

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          [...]
          This is not a fanfic thread.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And do you have the original JP Script and a more accurate translation on hand to prove this, anon?
          You can't just say shit without the proof to back it up, even if you are being potentially correct.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          cope

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I am researching methods to catch Pokémon that live in different timelines, so I might transport them to the present day in my own timeline.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I am researching
        So they didn't do it yet and have no idea where paradoxes come from, got it. They quite literally say they failed time and time again. After that, you give the the white book, which likely refers to them as ancient/future pokemon (that's canonically what the people of he region like Arven refer to them as, get over it) and realize where they must pull them from, thus succeeding after the exchange with you.

        Now, when you meet them in Area Zero, they don't mention different timelines whatsoever and only refer to pure time travel, talking within terms of a single timeline. The ONLY way to reconcile this discrepancy is to believe the one who actually knows what the paradoxes were (even scientifically analyzing them) and where they personally got them from, as opposed to the one who's just theorizing where Heath's descriptions of pokemon COULD be from, without ever interacting with one yet.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >So, were they real ancient and future pokemon
    No.
    >or were they made up by the machine?
    Yes but the machine isn't necessarily the thing that creates them.
    There is a reason you can only find the new paradoxes in Area Zero AFTER it's already been shut down.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > lets stick hideous pink spikes on donphan and call it a new pokemon !!

    paradox mons were a mistake

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So funny how the alternate timelines stuff filters idiots. It is a bit of a mindfrick at first but it's not that complicated when you think about it a bit, the scene where you meet the professor at the lake explains it all
    Terapagos' Stellar Form also makes it really obvious

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >t. So funny how the [lazy writing] stuff filters [normies]. It is a bit of a mindfrick at first but [its okay because I'm a GF's b***h so they will always get a free pass from me], the [headcanon] scene explains it all. Terapagos' [lazy design] form also makes it really obvious

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >t. filtered idiot

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >t. Masuda's prostitute

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm only a prostitute for our lord and savior Ohmori

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they're just garbage

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Neither, they were pokemon from alternate universes kinda like ultra beasts, atleast that's what the dlc says. Honestly I don't think gamefreak really thought them through that much and didn't think people were really going to care as much as they did about the mystery, so I don't think they ever really had an answer, just an open end they felt forced to explain.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > dude what if tyranitar was a ROBOT lmfao

    paradox mons were a mistake

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ye it was cooler 10 years ago

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >he thinks the future won't have gardevoir/gallade hybrid sexbots (futawiener attachment optional)
    Ngmi

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