>Spill some truths and facts
>Gamers are too low IQ to refute your arguments, so they resort to personal attacks
>Become so disillusioned you commit self-delete
Many such cases, sadly...
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>game has 3 axis
>somehow this isn't considered 3d because muh texture projections
eat asphalt, asphalt eater
>game has 3 axis
And here's one of those low IQ mouthbreathers now.
>You don't need to have 3- axis to be 3-D
WHAT
doom has two axiseses, one is to go forward and the other is to the sides. heigh is not real in doom, it's a hack thats why you cant look up or down too far
Carmack himself had to step in and confirm it's 3D
Details of implementation don't matter, you can move parallel to the floor and go up on elevators. That's three dimensions already.
Enemy projectiles can also go over you, and enemies can also fly up or down, diagonally, and obviously occupy different positions across the z-axis. That's 3 simulated dimensions already
You can't look up or down but it is reflected in the gameplay along the two other axes
>Enemy projectiles can also go over you
a variable that disables colission when an aribtrary value is reached
>and enemies can also fly up or down
just cnage the variable and force the rendered to make it look higher or lower, not read 3d space
>and obviously occupy different positions across the z-axis
there is no z-axis bc its just pixels on a screen
Implementation details. What matters is that I can run under a Cacodemon and not be blocked, but if he lowers himself enough I bump into him. If in the code there are matricial transformations on three axes occurring is of no importance. All games are illusory reality
You can't run under or over monsters in vanilla doom (infinite height), however projectiles do move in true 3d, and you can be launched upward by archvile explosions
Yes, but you can run over or under enemies in Heretic (and look down and up), which is basically the Doom engine with tiny modifications.
The idea that Doom isn't "3D" is the kind of silly idea that normalgay that died spread. Basically if something doesn't render a 3D world the way normalgays are used to, they think it's "fake", when you can argue that all 3D rendering is fake in principle.
>Implementation details. What matters is that I can run under a Cacodemon and not be blocked,
no you cant lmao
have you even played og doom?
>A variable that disables colission when an aribtrary value is reached
aribtrary? Ya the z axis is arbitrary in Doom.
>cnage the variable and force the rendered to make it look higher or lower
so 3d
everything in a game is hacky moron wtf are you on about
thnks for conceding the point
i alredy knew i was right though
If I posted Carmack saying it's 3D, would you relent from your autistic position? Not only did he make the game and is a pioneer/authority in 3D engines, he's actually got a three digit IQ, unlike you
carmack is not reliable bc he made the game nd he cant be objective about it
All Carmack can do is "be objective", kek
Dude is the tech guy, Romero was the gamer and artsy guy
For Carmack to be wrong on such a crucial point would undermine his reputation
t. dumbass who doesnt make shit
Romero may be the "artsy" guy but he was also a programmer. He programmed the Doom level editor.
And he agrees with Carmack
The only rumor more embarrassing than this one is the "Doom wasn't meant to be played with a mouse" one. Even though all developer par times for the levels as far back as Wolf 3D were set with a mouse, lmao
But I'm pretty sure zoomers will keep on getting these wrong forever
lol all u could do was quote someone even less relible than carmack
why does doom have no room above other rooms? bc all space exist on a 2d plane, rooms above or below other rooms cant exist in og doom
the game is 2d and ur just guillible
just because the game engine operates 3 dimensions doesn't mean the level editor has to
Level geometry very clearly has differing height and volumes, not having room-over-room doesn't change that basic fact.
Thread ended here
>"Doom wasn't meant to be played with a mouse" one
this is so mental no matter how you frame it
>it currently is the only way to play it
it objectively isn't and will never be
>it's how people played it 100 years ago
the year is current year and i don't give a frick
>that's how *I* play it
i don't give a frick + kys
>you're missing out because you're not playing it exactly like *me*
i don't give a frick + kys
>you're supposed to play it without a mouse because i am telling you to play it without a mouse
no, thanks + kys
like what are they even trying to prove here lmao
i gotta give you props for taking the contrarian position. it's thanks to shit like this that i get to learn something new.
This may shock you, but none of doom is real. Its all actually a series of ones a zeros being read out inside of a computer, and yet you don't call it a fricking 1d game.
isn't this dude dead?
Yup was editor for Matpat killed himself a decade ago
Doom objects have 3d collision. You can't pick up items just by being on the same y-axis. Fireballs can go over your head.
>Fireballs can go over your head.
>monsters can still scratch you over a cliff
>Fireballs can go over your head.
your playing a sourceport, bro.
Can be done on vanilla, DOS Doom
Sorry you played a bootleg version in which Cyberdemons rockets clipped you at any height
A. you're full of shit
B. the same applies to your own shots, moron. If you shoot in the direction of an enemy who is on a ledge above you, you will hit them despite being unable to aim upward. Height does not exist in the original Doom. It is an illusion.
if the enemy is too high up (or too low, but that is very very rare), your autoaim will not track them
also if the enemy is too far, your autoaim will not track them (but the enemy is still hittable if they are at the same level as you)
You can in fact go under or above enemy projectiles in Classic Doom
Open Tricks & Traps, run into the Cacodemon room and test this. Just run under both them and their projectiles
Work on DOSBOX, Vanilla Doom, Chocolate Doom, etc.
Why did he do it?
Matt Pat forced his hand
he anhero'd and looked like a mixed homie
did he deserve it though? i think yes
If I make an Unreal game where you can't look up or down, make sure to never make room over room geomtery and make every object a 2D sprite, would it not be 3D?
Wait what he's dead?
yea, sewer side
summary for those who don't want to watch a gay video
https://www.summarize.tech/youtu.be/cWTEE4SkCLY
Finally, a good use for AI.
did he sudoku due to that dumb video hes made or not, though?
i can't stop romanticizing his death
he just HAD to have come to the realization we were better off without him or his videos
>achtually
what
why is this even a question for a game that has steps, elevators, and projectiles flying overhead
This is the type of person that believes magic is real.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
IT'S USELESS
IT'S ALL USELESS
magic is real, you godless heathen
Magic is real read manly p hall
-is-real
Hitler believed in magic too.
and he self-deleted too
woketard tried to control language but it backfired
Wasn't it "impossible" to make two storeys in the doom engine?
When that my house mod got popular for a short time, people told how the layout in the house was impossible for the engine
myhouse only works in GZDoom which has modern features like room over room
and also portals which is used to create impossible architecture
>guys mario 64 is not actually fully 3d because it has 2d objects in it lol gottem
What's the matter man. Was your career Doomed?
Game is 3D and has an X, Y, and Z but cheats several calculations so that they only function in 2D. Most important things like player, monsters, and projectiles are fully 3D although monsters have infinite height to reduce complexity of player being directly above or below.
Added to this. Wolfenstein is 100% 2D. There is no height, everything is on the same plane as the player. Projectiles and monsters do not have height. The game could be a top down shooter and would function identically other than the perspective shift.
no
the game is a top down shotter with a fake z variable
the map screen is what doom is in reality
wat the screen shows are streched bits of the map and sprites scaled up and down depending on distance
thats why doom doesnt have rooms above or blow other romms
You are either a child or someone from the third world attempting communication with real people
the level builder being 2d does not reflect how things actually work in the rest of the game
No, having rooms above rooms would require way to much for a 386 or 486 to handle.
Limitations were set early on so you weren't running at 1 fps
Fabian Sanglard (biggest living authority on Carmack's engines) studied id tech 1 thoroughly and I'm pretty confident he says Doom is 3D
That's what I'm going off of.
https://fabiensanglard.net/b/gebbdoom.pdf
All CG 3D is just an illusion of a 3D object on a flat screen. All of it is fake. The brainlets talking about how Doom isn't real 3D are either extremely stupid or extremely autistic. 99.99% of you are in the extremely stupid category. John Carmack gets away with it because he is a fricking autist freak who doesn't live in the same reality as us. John Carmack is making a pointless distinction between how 3D works in Doom and Quake, because he is proud of what he did with Quake and he is proud of the leap in 3D graphics.
How can dimensions be real if our eyes aren't real?
On a serious note, you're quite right. Quake just made 3D better and more similar to most implementations we use today.
It doesn't matter how the engine works. Games are always smoke and mirrors behind the scenes. I don't care that Yoda was a puppet in older Star Wars movies. I don't care that a mirror reflection in a game is just a duplicated model aping your movements. Doom has a ceiling above you. It has height, width, and depth. That's 3D. Don't care about sectors or lack of room over room. The final image and perception are the only things that matter.
Doom IS 3d. It's just heavily scaled back to work on 386s and 486s. The engine itself is 3d
GUYS A CYBERDEMON ROCKET JUST FLEW OVER MY HEAD
i only ever watched this video once and i can hear the image perfectly. i forget who made it.
Nothing you see through a monitor is true 3D because it's a flat screen :^)
The rendering engine cannot output arbitrary 3d like modern engines can, only an extremely limited subset. That's all. Shame you homosexuals made this guy kill himself over this.
more likely he killed himself for some other reason, or a multitude of reasons. mitchell henderson didn't kill himself because he lost his ipod
X-COM UFO Defense was also 3D. It had a 3D voxel system running under the hood for all the calculations and destruction.
I thought it was general knowledge that everything in Doom is actually infinitely tall? 3D is just an illusion.
All I'm seeing here is 'Doom is 3D because my feelings count'
Infinitely tall hitboxes are just to enable the aim assist at a low computational cost. You appear to be confused
A medikit's pickup box does not infinitely extend up, for example. You can run off a ledge and go over the medikit midair, not collecting it.
No, only enemies and it's literally a flag so the player doesn't land on them or vice versa. Cacodemons still need to line up with holes to enter because they have collision boxes.
projectile hitboxes and hitscan rays are not infinitely tall. the only things that act infinitely tall are player/monster collision, monster melee attacks, and explosions
actually forgot that switches act infinitely tall as well
The "infinite height" only applies for collisions with the player. All enemies have a 3D hitbox and a cyberdemon won't fit in a room that's too low for him. Doom removed as many calculations as possible so the game could run on pretty much everything. Another example of tjis is when you use a hitscan weapon, the game only calculates hit detection using the hitbox's 2 diagonals instead of 4 sides.
No, only the collision between players and monsters (and monsters and monsters) is calculated as being "infinitely tall". But everything in game still has a standard 3D cube bounding box for regular collision. So an imp can walk under a doorway that's too short for a cyberdemon. Cacos can move through caco-shaped holes in walls. Projectiles can fly over and under the player/enemies. Etc.
>Cacos can move through caco-shaped holes in walls
still just squares because the collision bounding boxes are still just squares
Okay, and? My point still stands.
Just because I said hole doesn't mean I was implying that Cacos are round/spherical (I even specified that everything in game has a standard 3D cube bounding box). You can have square holes.
If Doom isn't 3D then how can I shoot rockets underneath Cacodemons? The end.
all games are 2d, your screen is flat dummy
and that screen is in a 3D world, so every screen is 3D and so every game is 3D
Okay and?
The intention was to make it look 3D and it did it's job
If you can move in 3d its 3d game, Even if its just gradient planes or AI generated in real time.
The presentation of his videos were kinda boring and he had no charisma though, would've been better if he just continued editing videos instead.
Also if you feel so fricking bad you wanna have a nice day over comments on the internet, you were never going to last irl.
What a stupid community to try and pick a fight with. There's no group on earth that knows their shit as well as Doomgays.
Errrrm actually, what you see on your monitor are just still frames strung together quickly enough to create the illusion of movement.
bros I tried evilution for the first time two nights ago
I fricking love it
>autists arguing over the technicals
Many such cases.
Seems like you got BTFO, OP-kun
Is Dwarf Fortress a 3d game?
Gameplay is 3D, sure
Dwarf Fortress is rendered in 2D. Informally, this is what we call 2D games, because it's the way the game world is represented to the player. However, you can download programs that render the world of Dwarf Fortress in three dimensions (pic related).
Doom is rendered in three dimensions. The height, width and length are clearly shown and the player can navigate this world in real time and see the representation of the three axes dimensions change according to his position.
>self-delete
Just say suicide, homosexual.
>boss immediately gives you shit
>kill self
Bravo MatPat. Enjoy retirement. Try not to kill anybody behind the scenes.
explain myhouse.wad homosexual
Didn't GT click bait this guy necking himself?
Wonder if as he was dying he thought "wow I regret this" then fricking died.
Frankly I think Doom 1 and 2 play best with a controller.