Because he's the Jokester, baby.
No really, I don't get Sephiroth's character in general. He flip/flops between obsessing over Cloud and achieving Godhood via an incredibly ambiguous method as the plot needs it. He's not interesting, but he looked cool when we were 12. In retrospect, the only ominous scene this dude had was murdering President Shinra, a scene in which he wasn't even featured. Everything else just makes me chuckle, especially Nibelheim. Reminds me of Final Fantasy IV's introduction in how absurdly stupid it is.
Sephiroth doesn't obsess over Cloud.
Sephiroth is basically mindbroken by Jenova and then they form some sort of symbiosos together and their goal is to achieve godhood yes.
sephiroth seems obsessed over Cloud because he (and the other hooded figures) is a part of "him" (they have jenova cells inside them) and he/jenova basically mind control them.
Basically, Cloud believes Sephiroth is chasing him while it's really the other way around
The translation doesn't really make it clear.
Just like they butchered OG Cloud, the remake butchered OG Sephiroth. Jenova barely matters now
Cloud doesn't believe Sephiroth is chasing him. His group follows Sephiroth (the Jenova impersonation remote controlled by Sephiroth from the northern crater) to put a stop to his plans, and they do that on their own volition, but it's not some kind of plot gotcha or anything.
What mindfricks Cloud are the Sephiroth clones controlling his brain due to the cells. Sephiroth clones acts omniously aroud him because he knows that Cloud doesn't remember shit and they can toggle him to be under his control whenever he wants (as displayed by the Black materia delivery, or the multiple scenes when he's about to kill Aerith)
It’s weird because he’s obviously a Griffith analogue but Griffith went crazy because he was so scared that the individuals he loved like Guts (and to a lesser degree, Casca) would make him lose focus and abandon his ambitions (his Dream).
Sephiroth and Cloud are obviously molded from the Griffith and Guts dynamic but fused with JRPG dynamics and tropes. Sephiroth is less of an ambitious idealist and more of a black-and-white morality Hero(tm) who flips allegiances at the drop of a hat because of new information he gets about who he thinks he is (a cetra) and who that makes his enemies (humanity). We basically never really see the real Sephiroth after Cloud chucks him into the life stream because we can never reliably be sure who Cloud is seeing fly around or show up places.
In Compilation/Remake, they started pandering to the fandom version (or one of them) of Sephiroth and Cloud and using fan-reaction as their primary basis for how they write characters, even if that ends up making them make no fricking sense
>Trusting your audience to know how to feel
On a semi-related note, can somebody explain to me Cloud's obsession with Sephiroth? The dude seemed like a creepy butthole from the beginning. A certified OG in terms of fighting, but not exactly somebody worth idolizing. Was
/is Cloud moronic?
Cloud is being mindraped - literally - by Sephiroth see
Sephiroth doesn't obsess over Cloud.
Sephiroth is basically mindbroken by Jenova and then they form some sort of symbiosos together and their goal is to achieve godhood yes.
sephiroth seems obsessed over Cloud because he (and the other hooded figures) is a part of "him" (they have jenova cells inside them) and he/jenova basically mind control them.
Basically, Cloud believes Sephiroth is chasing him while it's really the other way around
The translation doesn't really make it clear.
Just like they butchered OG Cloud, the remake butchered OG Sephiroth. Jenova barely matters now
Even before Cloud was injected with Jenova cells? He wants to polish Sephiroth's Masamune, which makes some sense when he's a teenager, because Sephiroth's legacy precedes him. But then he meets him and he's just a creepy, melodramatic loser. Was Cloud's fanboy nature really that overpowering?
Cloud is a nerd trying to be a badass to impress his childhood crush (Tifa)
I guess seeing his idol one-shot a dragon was enough for him
Cloud doesn't believe Sephiroth is chasing him. His group follows Sephiroth (the Jenova impersonation remote controlled by Sephiroth from the northern crater) to put a stop to his plans, and they do that on their own volition, but it's not some kind of plot gotcha or anything.
What mindfricks Cloud are the Sephiroth clones controlling his brain due to the cells. Sephiroth clones acts omniously aroud him because he knows that Cloud doesn't remember shit and they can toggle him to be under his control whenever he wants (as displayed by the Black materia delivery, or the multiple scenes when he's about to kill Aerith)
I wrongly worded it. By "chased" I meant "taunted" or "obsessed" because of the clone frickery but you explained it better than me and it makes much more sense.
>Waits for an ambiguous period of time to kill Aerith just to taunt Cloud, even threatening his Godhood
What did he mean by this?
Dramatic effect lol. In the end, it mindbreaks Cloud for good. Maybe Sephi/Jenova is like a cat who enjoys toying with its victims?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah... he's so... powerful...
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Compilation slop
Now watch this
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ah yeah he gets constantly taunted, that's right. That's where the “puppet” slang comes from that all post OGFF7 media loves to drill so much on.
It's all good.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Maybe Sephi/Jenova is like a cat who enjoys toying with its victims?
I get the whole dramatic effect aspect and I'm all for it, but at the end of the day this is a game with over 10 hours of dialogue/cutscenes. How there is anything left ambiguous, any room for maybe, is baffling to me. Also I'm pretty sure it has the opposite effect. The Lifestream mindbreaks Cloud, ironically. Aerith's death is what eventually inspires Cloud and the entire party to go SSJ2 and defeat Sephiroth.
Maybe Sephiroth is one way, maybe another way, maybe both? Who knows. The way he's portrayed is however the plot needs him to be. All just to tell Cloud's story, which is... ?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I think SQuaresoft was a bit too inspired by Evangelion and it shows.
I'm glad the end product is still mostly coherent yet clouded (heh) with mystique
Basically, initially Cloud idolized Sephiroth because he was this incredibly powerful elite Soldier, something that Cloud also wanted to be.
While he was never actually chosen for the Soldier program, he did luck out by getting placed in same unit as his idol. But during the assignment, he befriends Zack, who succeeded in what Cloud failed, becoming a Soldier despite having similarly humble background.
Next part is kind of weird. But during their assignment on Nibelheim, Sephiroth finds out the true origin of Soldiers, that they all have genes of alien life-form Jenova inside them. As he learns more and more about what went into the Soldier program, he eventually insane and murders the whole town. What results is Zack first taking on Sephiroth, but failing. Cloud manages to take Seph out with a sneak attack, but both he and Zack fall down into the reactor, and Cloud gets a dose of Jenova cells.
Due to being so close to Zack when this happened, he actually adapted his memories, thinking that he experienced those things with Seph. Doesn't help that as Zack escapes with Cloud, he actually dies, so there's nobody tell Cloud whose memories he actually has.
...But yeah, what also happens with Jenova cells is that they all seek to unite again. So through course of FFVII, Cloud thinks he is chasing after Seph because he thinks he wants to make things right and kill that bastard, but it's actually Jenova cells inside him that are compelling him to seek him out.
tldr; Cloud's brain got fricked to point of being moronic.
I do actually like story of original FFVII, since it does make, and there's not too many insane leaps.
Just as a note, they didn't fall in the mako, only Sephiroth did (and that's how he ended on the northern crater)
Zack and Cloud especially got experimented by Hojo. That's why Cloud has Jenova cells, which grunts usually don't have (only first classers like Zack do), and that's where the brain frickery comes from.
Ahh, gotcha. It has been ages since I played the original, so I misremembered that part. >Zack and Cloud especially got experimented by Hojo.
Now I remember, there's that part at the crater when Hojo gets excited and asks Cloud what his Soldier number is, but then Cloud says he didn't get one Hojo just goes "...Oh, you were one of those failures" and immediately loses interest.
Then Cloud just pathetically asks Hojo to give him a number. Cloud's demeanor did change after Aerith died, but that part really showed how fricked his mind had gotten.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah the poor fellow gets mindbroken hard, he was desperate for recognition because he fricked up while enlisted in Shinra and didn't make it anywhere.
It's funny because the character mostly portrayed as an “emo, insufferable, stoic cold dude” is actually a nerdy dork. And he only becomes a stud after he recovers from the mako poisoning with the help of tifa and understands that his actions are what made him into a leader in the eyes of his friends, instead of letting himself get pulled down by his past shortcomings.
What a great game, I just love FF7
>initially Cloud idolized Sephiroth
I couldn't idolise anyone with hair like Sephiroth, no matter how elite of a solider they were. He looked like a troony even back then, when trannies weren't at the forefront of everything.
Actually Cloud takes on Zack's "memories" and forgets who he actually was because his brain is already fricked by the experiments + the trauma of seeing his hometown burn and his mom die
Following that with him seeing Zack get shot trying to protect Cloud, and telling Cloud to carry on his legacy etc completes the mindbreak ritual and turns Cloud into a schizo
It's fine, you homosexuals are just fricking spergs. The only bad thing is them laying the foreshadowing on just a little to thick with the "nameless security officer" right outside clouds house saying "MOTHE - ack!"
Why does Square Enix care about money?
They make shit like forspoken and release their main games on only one system (when even sony avoids doing that by releasing their games on ps4 and pc)
Like... You don't do your business like that and then fricking complain about not making enough money, that makes no sense
Why the frick would sony buy them if SE is already acting detrimentally to themselves to prop up sony, for free, and with no liabilities on sony's part
You buy SE it costs money, now you have to make sure they make good games.
You don't - you keep the money and need not give a frick whether they live or die
Great jap biznes moovz as always
Not that unrealistic. >make intentionally questionable decisions to lower your stock >show that, despite your decisions, you still have some talent >bait for the buyout as your own stock lowers because it looks like all you need is better leadership
In reality, of course, all talent has long since drained from SE and this is absolutely just bait.
Sony also can not afford square at all.
Everytime you see some moron dream of sony buying square it is 100% some ps1 boomer who can not let go of their childhood and wants to relive their glory days.
They're using 30 year old strategies. FFVII through XII were PS console exclusives and made a fine amount of revenue. Multiplat is a fairly new strategy for them. They probably thought FFXVI was going to lure people to buy a PS5, but people don't buy consoles for just ONE singleplayer game anymore like they used to.
>people don't buy consoles for just ONE singleplayer game anymore like they used to
I don't know, I can see millions of people buying PS5s when GTA 6 comes out.
>I can see millions of people buying PS5s when GTA 6 comes out.
you are delusional
gta 6 will release on 4 systems (ps5, ps5pro, xbox series x and s), most people will be okay with playing it on what they currently have
A lot of people are still using PS4/Xbone because they're much cheaper and still being supported. GTA 6 on its own would be enough to convince many of them to make the jump.
These are the games that MASSIVELY flopped. Games no one asked for that no one bought. Foresaken was just mindlessly copying western activists and trends, even consulting with idiot Californians. Will Japanese stop being naive? Activists don't know shit.
FF16 and Rebirth flopping so hard they decided to revalute their HD pipeline and cancelled stuff too
the loss is from 16 and 7r2 making 0 profit plus cancellation of games as a result of that
are you moronic
No the exact opposite, they're going all in on AAA games like XVI, Rebirth, and Forspoken, while canceling all AA games. The loss seems to be from canceling all those AA games and not getting a profit from all their work
Pretty sure it’s from the AA games being bad, have to remind people they legit shotgun blasted some out all the the same time like the new star ocean and that horrible Valkyrie profile game
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah, but some of their AA-games are profitable... I wonder what the commonality is?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Diofield felt like an actual scam. Putting out AA games is a fine idea but they have to not suck.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Diofield could have been good if the plot didn't go full moron
Weird company.
Their MMOs are their only games that have achieved monumental profit, yet they do not go all-in on them
An immediate low cost high return product would be FFXI Classic
Then there's DQX global release, though that's more of a missed opportunity
Weird company.
Their MMOs are their only games that have achieved monumental profit, yet they do not go all-in on them
An immediate low cost high return product would be FFXI Classic
Then there's DQX global release, though that's more of a missed opportunity
The MMOs are the lowest profitable sector they have.
FFXIV has around 1,2 million active characters NOT subscriptions.
I have 3 active characters.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
does that include free trial chars?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Data is carried out based on the data from 2013/8/25 to 2024/3/26.
I intended for the character who was higher than level 70 or belong to FC,that is get from Losestone charactor search page, in this survey.And narrowed character that Lv70 over(not included Lv70 just) and change hp,minion count,mount count from last survey to regard as active character.bot characters and subcharacter are exclude.Characters that has no mount as bot.Characters that use joblevel boost and not grown from level 70 and 80 as subcharacter
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
why would anyone bother with multiple characters when you can do everything on one character?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
class fantasy
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why should I? If I create a character in a RPG I have one of two classes in mind. Not everything on one character.
The profit from XIV, XI, DQX together are greater than every other game combined excluding gacha
>An immediate low cost high return product would be FFXI Classic
You have no idea what you're talking about
It wouldn't cost much at all. Obviously they would not generate a huge amount of revenue, but the profit would be significant given the minimal investment required
>It wouldn't cost much at all.
They don't have the PS2 dev kits to be able to pull off that undertaking. They don't have snapshots of previous patches, and XI was built on spaghetti code that would make even XIV 1.0's blush, and that is not even including the playonline integration, which is woven into XI.
If they could remove playonline, they would, because they know how it's the game's biggest roadblock to attracting new players.
And all that work for what? Attracting the 35+ year olds that used to play and somehow still enough free time, maybe a few zoomers, and Ninja.
Get real
MMO market is dead and capped out while shrinking hard. No one with any business sense would invest into this beyond what they got already running. Yes Riot is moronic.
Legacy server for FFXI would have made sense 5 years ago when other MMOs were doing it too, but it doesn't now. And yes, there's no point in releasing DQX in the west 11 years after its release, they're better off just localizing the offline versions.
I think enough people want a classic MMO experience to justify the localization of X. Not the development of it or anything, but that's already done. Also, I don't want the chibi version, I dislike that style.
It's a business decision in case of FFXIV. They allocate a certain budget to FFXIV because they also expect a certain amount of profits back. They don't see the worth in increasing the budget and risking lower profits in return.
Opportunity cost, RoI and diminishing returns
MMO market is not that big and they're already plenty monetized - microtransactions and a sub, which very few games nowadays have.
For each extra dollar they spend on MMOs they need to make a dollar back, or they're losing money. If they double what they spend on XIV every player needs to either double their spend, or they need to double the playerbase while keeping the average spend same or higher.
You can't just keep pouring money into something expecting a higher return for it. This is why all their other games kept having "disappointing" sales - they spent way too fricking much on each, so they needed insane sales to cover that
MMOs are for a shrinking audience full of absolute morons. People who play ff14 are moronic cows that only exist to be milked, putting more effort in would only waste resources.
They haven't made those in 20 years square-soft had been going downhill since it merged with enix.
Their managment also only rivals konami in their stupidity.
Apparently those games are good. I don't know, I haven't played them, neither have you because nobody actually wants to play low budget 4 homie in a row games these days
this right here is the main issue with square games. their games are story focused yet their stories are so fricking convoluted and requires you to consume multiple media formats so it may somewhat make sense yet the pay off is not that great. the. theres the pacing. square are masters in making boring sequences with absolutely abysmal pacing.
bro the last two chapters in rebirth had me almost pulling my hair out from how fricking gay the story and pacing was. I hate that game so much.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
This is the company that at some point wrote the character of Vivi for a children's game
And nowadays they are unable to convey an iota of human emotion
Just frick them, they deserve to rot
Octopath with a final fantasy budget would've sold 10M but hey we want the DMC audience but also need to make sure 60 year olds can play it so cut out the sauce of DMC
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You could put a tiny bit more budget on a new bravely default for more polish and va, sell that as "return to classic final fantasy" on all systems with proper marketing campaign(not bloated, just focused) and have a easy +10 million seller.
But that would be smart and having a tiny bit of sense for videogames so lol lmao.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Octopath with a final fantasy budget would've sold 10M
lmao, do you turn based gays really believe this?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Persona 5 is reaching 10 mil and that shit is not better than turn based FF
meanwhile half the reviews of XVI said they felt the combat was boring and repetitive and XV has received even less praise for its combat
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Bringing up the P-word will trigger a lot of autists Anon.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
persona 5 success is weird because it hasn't lead to an increase of sales for p3 and p4
seems there is more a persona 5 fanbase than a persona fanbase
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
that just leads back to the budget thing. people look at 3 and 4 and see it's old. they want the shiny good looking thing, hence things like Octopath and Bravely will never reach the big numbers either. Not saying they would otherwise but that alone is enough to stop many from buying.
Falcom has consistently pushed out better Action RPGs and JRPGs than Square, but they don't have that fancy look to them and so they will never sell 10M
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
P5 is flashy and incredibly simple for jrpg standards. It's also rather fujo baity with joker and akechi, which you can't really do with the older ones. Hence Atlus trying to make everything into p5 style instead of developing a unique identity like the others had
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
you know that's counting everything with P5 in the title, including spinoffs like Strikers that sold 2M, right?
Any answer you give will be defined by a genre, but Squeenix execs desperately want to return to the times when THEY defined genres, not the other way around.
>but Squeenix execs desperately want to return to the times when THEY defined genres, not the other way around.
They seem to have a general attitude/delusion of thinking things are still the way they were in the early-mid 2000s, both for themselves and the external industry. They think they're still the head-turner pop stars they used to be, and they still think Sony is the undisputed king of the mountain by a huge margin (since they're pretty much the only third-party frickers taking exclusivity deals anymore from them).
Well they fricking aren't. They need to get their head out of the ass and make a high quality 2D pixelshit 4 homies in a row type game for relatively low cost and release it for the price of a normal game. Every boomer and autistic FF fan will buy it.
>Octopath traveller 1 and 2 >Bravely default >Diofeld chronicle
They did that, they've done that already see this is the problem why threads like this keep getting bumped they're full of loud morons who think they know what they're talking about.
homie if they put Final Fantasy on the box and ramped up on like the "DAE remember their childhood?" marketing that pokemon it would sell boat loads. Also Octopath Traveler I guarantee made more money relative to it's budget than FF7r and FFshitteen.
Do you live in some alternate reality where they haven't had a AA division for the last like 10 years that's been pumping out basically what you're talking about? >Bravely Defaults >Octopaths >Triangle Strategy >Diofield >Star Ocean 2R
Those games have worse profit margins than their HD games.
Also I forgot to put on that list the entire goddamn Pixel Remaster collection, and Live-A-Live, and probably a few others.
None of them sell particularly well, certainly not well enough to keep an entire studio afloat.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
How? They charge full-fricking price for them. They need to fire people or downsize or something, half those things they just reuse assets for anyway. Seriously, they're fricked.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>How? They charge full-fricking price for them.
Because they sell like absolute dogshit, which is why they've completely scrapped the AA division and are only focusing on AAA games and their MMOs.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
At least people like those ones. Nobody likes their AAA slop. Mmo slop will be profitable forever whatever.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Those games have worse profit margins than their HD games.
[citation needed]
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You're free to go through their earnings reports over the last few years and look up the information yourself.
There's a reason they shuttered all their AA branches and studios and are only focusing on AAA games and the MMOs.
It's funny how ArtePiazza showed up both Square Enix (actually making a faithful remake) and Nintendo/IntSys (actually managed to still make the remake 60fps like the fricking original was on much weaker hardware).
Yes but 13-2 and 13-3 hurt the brand, they were simply not high quality enough to be mainline titles. FF13/15 were at least expensive so most people at least felt they got their moneys worth out of them
It was during a desperate time for the company, with the initial version of FF14 flopping and the realization their biggest brand is not too big to fail like they thought. They greenlit asset flips to make money and keep afloat
This, FF13 was supposed to be twice as long if not for X360 version. It was supposed to be launched with 7 DVDs until MS told them no. So they downsized it to 3 DVDs.
if it weren't for their handhelds, they would have went bankrupt ages ago. the n64, gamecube, and wii u were massive flops. wii was an outlier, but software sales and attachment rate were not that great
>but software sales and attachment rate were not that great
This. Did you know that 75% of Wiis were only ever purchased for Wii Sports? The game that came in the fricking box?
The Wii is still sold today to schools and nursing homes as a way to get kids and elderly people active playing Wii Sports and nothing else.
The amount of money Nintendo must've lost on the Wii has got to be insane.
>Nintendo didn't have a ff13 and 15 incident to nuke the brand
Sticker Star and Color Splash are fricking terrible games, yet they actually managed to somehow salvage things with Origami King.
the same game for 30 years
That's the problem. None of the 2 FF games are anything similar except direct sequels. Even they are different in some areas such as FF13 and 13-2, 13 had 6 characters and 13-2 had 2 characters with 1 pokemon slot.
They have a very profitable MMO (XIV), a few well-performing gachas and I've heard they have their hands in some other shit like manga and a bit of publishing.
I literally do not know a single person who has a PS5. Releasing titles locked to that platform is massively limiting their potential install base. The only reason I haven't bought FFXVI, for example, is that it's not on PC yet.
>I literally do not know a single person who has a PS5.
It really feels like a system exclusively for content creators and streamers. I know no real person who has one of them beyond that. And that expands to the games as well. Just look at all the 3rd party shit sony paid to release this year on ps5. It really feels like Square and other companies are exclusively selling to content creators and Sony. Do they count free keys as sale?
>Do they count free keys as sale?
Lol i remember when forspoken was release i searched PT-BR twitter to see what people were talking about and there were dozens of streamers with 100-200 followers that got keys for the game, their products are so garbage nowadays that they five it for free.
I think I only know two people who have a PS5. One never plays it and the only probably just used it for Hogwarts Legacy. I feel like a lot of people bought one to have it or that games would have came out eventually.
They don't have guaranteed money makers anymore they botched all of their franchises. But the best bet would be on FFX-3 which would work as a soft reboot of FFX. That would be their last chance
I doubt they put the FF7 type of budget into it, so it probably doesn't need to do millions to make a profit. Especially if they go multiplat route. Could see it do decently with the Switch audience tbh.
They were already happy when Automata did 1 million so I truly don't understand how they didn't take lessons from that by making more mid to lower budget games be more appealing, but whatever. Square's management has been horribly incompetent for years. I know some people don't care for Sakaguchi's game creations but his role as manager really was crucial to Square.
>Guaranteed to make them a bunch of money.
Square and Enix breaking up. You'd get people back interested in Japanese EA again if it's brand is just Square again.
Release all their games on all consoles at the same time, and make games people want to play. This means: >ps3 level of graphics is good enough >turn based battle system like baldurs gate or final fantasy 10 if bg3 is too complicated for them >classic final fantasy monsters >have no mural design the characters if you want more nostalgia >make the world interesting
That’s all you need. None of this 2dhd brown bloom crap, no chibi style garbage.
Also, >final fantasy where all the final fantasies get mashed together
Yeah it’s been done but it sucks. Oh no, the emperor stole firions flower! Let’s go get it back! Give some real stakes, kill of beloved characters and make it a crisis on infinite earths type event.
They have tons of popular properties they can rip off, and they are always led by the dumbest people on earth, who consult Japanese psychics for what to do.
It’s going to take a crisis on infinite earths style success to save them.
Nothing, at this point they have burnt their reputation so badly there's nothing they can make that can be a guaranteed success.
Just try to make a good game and see if it sells, that's the only way really.
12 months is a huge amount of time in game development terms. Such projects would be nowhere near finished, so you either have to pay all those developers for another year to work on something you don't think will make money, or cut your losses and set them to work on pumping out more nostalgiabait from when your company was good.
Good. Square Enix is japanese EA, they keep releasing sloop after sloop and don't bring games people actually want.
WHERE'S MY FRICKING CHRONO TRIGGER REMAKE.
NO I DON'T WANT ANOTHER FRICKING PORT, THE SNES GRAPHICS ARE FRICKING CRAP
It's happening more and more lately. Companies are spending ludicrous amounts of money on making these games and then are shocked when it can barely break even.
>that 140m loss is cancellation of AA projects
its this, they were talking about doing this long before rebirth came out
https://wccftech.com/square-enix-will-soon-restructure-its-development-system-to-improve-game-quality-and-profit-margins/
>I didn't even know it came to PC
Literally the case with Kingdom Hearts, the World ends with you, FF Remake, Stranger of Paradise and many others, releasing on Epic means doming your game
Why do people keep blaming the PS5 for this?
As of January there are 54 million PS5s out there.
If the games were good, more of those 54 million people would have bought them. That's the catch though, they HAVE to be good.
It's cause Final Fantasy fans want to make up any excuse for why the franchise isn't doing as well as it used to.
When Square constantly puts all it's eggs into the Fino Fano basket with yearly releases and gacha, normies aren't going to pay attention when the franchise becomes nothing more than the obvious slop it's been since 11.
They'll least have contract work from Disney bail them out for a bit.
Why would Sony care? Subscription numbers are up, the PS5 is raking in profits and all their first-party games are actual system-sellers.
If shit-tier devs fail to compete that's not Sony's problem.
>Subscription numbers are up
They are down masively actually, only a tiny bit offset by charging whales more now. >, the PS5 is raking in profits
Not in the real world. They have incvreasingly revenue with increasingly shrinking,razorthin profit margins. It's so bad they are 1 bomb away from collapse. > all their first-party games are actual system-sellers.
OK so just a troll. My bad for responding in honest.
Fumbled it at the last word, but otherwise spot-on, Detective.
the second they announced it was episodic everyone should've stopped caring
nostalgia is a b***h though, just look at things like WoW living off it for over a decade at this point, or the state of Pokemon games and the ridiculously high sales numbers of them despite the fact
People forget that SE were also pretty sheepish about the episodic nature of Remake before it released. Not as tight-lipped as they were about it actually being a parallel universe sequel, but enough to still catch a bunch of people off-guard.
Why would Sony care? Subscription numbers are up, the PS5 is raking in profits and all their first-party games are actual system-sellers.
If shit-tier devs fail to compete that's not Sony's problem.
No one's buying a PS5 for exclusives any more. They buy it for Call Of Duty, FIFA and Fortnite. And Sony's games cost over $300 million to make and don't make any money. Even if Spider-Man 2 sells the same as the first game, it will make less money than the first game. That's an absolute disaster.
Multiple exclusives like Rebirth flopping is because Sony's doing an awful job trying to convince people to buy the exclusives instead of spending on those "Black hole" games like COD, FIFA and Fortnite. They hardly advertised Rebirth and let Square Enix shoulder all the PR for it. It is Sony's fault why it flopped.
Sony got the casual market and the casual market doesn't play anything that isn't an iterative, yearly franchise or a live service game. Sony is still doing decently despite their moronic financial decisions but 3rd parties that don't have those two types of games are fricked on that platform. JP 3rd parties, in particular, probably can't wait for the Switch 2 to release so they can drop all their failed games on it at full price.
>Sony is still doing decentl
Anon why lie? The current standin ceo itself told investors in public how fricked they are at the alst shareholder quarter report.
Sony's still making money with the PS brand; they're just making really, really shitty decisions on how to spend that money. Decisions that can't be undone for years and can eventually permanently frick over their brand forever.
Sony's new interm CEO for the Playstation brand outright said they aren't making money which is why they did sweeping cancellations, layoffs at their "Top performing" studios and a studio closure. Margins of 6% and lower on the brand are really, really bad. Those really shitty decisions happened years ago and have now appeared to permanently frick the brand.
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>Jim finally fricks off >Japanese replacement(And former boss) starts undoing the cancer immediately
Will Sony heal?
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This current CEO is only temporary and SIE is still HQ'd in California, so no.
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I mean.. it's entirely in his power to leave a Jap in charge of SIE
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That's not how CEO selection works, you dildo.
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Jim didn't do anything special really. He just continued business as usual and tried to make ps selfsustainable by moving gaas profits to their own first party instead of taxing 3rd party.
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>Will Sony heal?
Too late for it. Those bloated budgets won't go away. Their first party setup has been fricked since the PS4 era and reversing course on it would just provoke a backlash from the fanboys angry that Naughty Dog has been told to make games on a budget of $50 million instead of the $220 million they blew on The Last Of Us Part 2.
Genuinely one of the only solutions might be getting rid of first party altogether if they can't make money.
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Their Marvel games alone are going to keep being an issue with the insane IP licensing fees (and as long as Sony still tries to fool shareholders with profitless bundled units to bulk up raw numbers). >70 goddamn million just to license Spidey, just for SM2
It's funny - Marvel/Disney buttfricked them with licensing royalties in a similar way to how they themselves wanted to buttfrick Nintendo with the Nintendo PlayStation.
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If they undo all the cancer there would be nothing left. Playstation is just a gay tumor at this point.
>remaster FF1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 >they're all downgrades >remake FF7 and split it into 3 parts >they're downgrades >cater to the west with Forspoken >it's terrible >triple down on mobile games >they all flop and end of service >we need more mobile games >rape your flagship IP with XV and XVI >decide it's time to rape DQ next but the composer and char artist died so it's already falling apart before we could get a chance to rape it >hmm how is it that we peaked in the 90s >frick it let's do NFTs and battle royal
>that 140m loss is cancellation of AA projects
its this, they were talking about doing this long before rebirth came out
https://wccftech.com/square-enix-will-soon-restructure-its-development-system-to-improve-game-quality-and-profit-margins/
People would have cared more about a FF7 remake a decade ago. Even then, they made the dumb decision to make it a trilogy instead of simply a normal remake.
I can't say I'm a true FF7 oldgay (I first played it in the mid-00s), but I can't imagine the absolute heartbreak and betrayal a lot of them must've felt with Remake. Not only being bait-and-switch'd and having nothing but contempt explicitly expressed at people like them for wanting what was suggested on the tin and begged for for 2 decades, but also still being expected to go along with it for multiple full-priced installments. This wasn't a straw that broke the camel's back after years of wienerteasing and dancing around the issue by exploiting their love for the original game with constant cameos and several prequels/sequels. This was an anvil.
the second they announced it was episodic everyone should've stopped caring
nostalgia is a b***h though, just look at things like WoW living off it for over a decade at this point, or the state of Pokemon games and the ridiculously high sales numbers of them despite the fact
I'm an old FF7 gay, played it on release. Honestly I fricking love remake and rebirth. There's pants on head moronic shit in it but it's so fricking negligible, I really don't get why people sperg out so hard at the remakes. I'll give them the sidequests in remake one being implemented lazily, the time jannies, and Cloud/Zack sonic generations nonsense in rebirth but even then it's hardily a deal breaker.
People would have cared more about a FF7 remake a decade ago. Even then, they made the dumb decision to make it a trilogy instead of simply a normal remake.
The only way for Square-Enix to come back on top is to make sure Aerith is alive by the end of FF7 Part 3.
Everything hinges on Aerith's fate in the end. My happiness, their happiness, their bottom line. It's just that simple.
They did a hail mary pass and it worked, and only because of decades of good will built up. Most other companies would have been destroyed or turned into a shell of their former self after such a huge disaster.
urban legend. XIV was just the first real FF flop.
SQE just pushed it out two years too early because they wanted to compete with Cataclysm.
The financial aspect was never a big issue with the XIV disaster.
>The financial aspect was never a big issue with the XIV disaster.
the CEO had to step down, the producer was fired, they cancelled or delayed a bunch of games to offset the costs of XIV bombing and they eventually had to restructure the company
>SQE just pushed it out two years too early because they wanted to compete with Cataclysm.
A fricking disaterous decision. Honestly 1.X had a lot going for it at it's core that I like, but it had like 5 MSQ missions and 2 dungeons. It was insane how barebones it was, but expanded upon and developed, it would have been much more to my taste than ARR and certainly more than the game as it exists today.
>remake >remake >remake HD >remake HD 4K >remake ultimate edition >remake but a tiny piece of the story was changed
I'm tired of it. pay writers good money, so that you don't have to remake shit endlessly. also stop soiling your pant because of "le problematic themes". let the morons be offended. just make honest video games, you fricks
Game companies are more risk averse than normal these days. You won't get new original games from SE unless they are chasing trends and are certain they will succeed
increasing the pay doesn't make the writers produce better script
it's better to remake something great than to risk making something new that isn't guaranteed to be good
hey anon, squenixman here
I think I got what you're laying down, we need to spend two decades making a final fantasy game that will need 100 million copies sold to break even
How could this be....
FF7 is normalgay slop, why didn't the remake print cash? *adds Kingdom Hearts-tier shit in the scenario with the time jannies*
We had Sonic's creator make a game with us, Balan Wonderworld! *Yuji Naka has always been a hack and even went to prison, game is 2 buttons cringefest shit not even children can enjoy*
We copied Nintendo and their successful title Splatoon to make our own shooter game! *soulless cashgrab microtransactions, terrible gameplay compared to what it plagiarized*
We updated our MMO FFXIV's graphics! *Ugly ass dentures*
What happened!!!
resident evil 7 and pc ports unironically saved them. meanwhile square just begs sony money for exclusivity then flops at everything else like NFT garbage
capcom games are fun. people
like to chant about capcoms “dark times”
but even then we got fun games such as dead rising resident evil 5 lost planet dragons dogma
street fighter vs tekken godhand and so on…
Yeah, the "Dark Age" that people complain about Capcom produced some of the most fun arcade style games Capcom ever put out.
It's just that people who grew up with Capcom outside of their arcade shit, wanted them to go back to their early PS1-Gamecube style games. Still wish they'd put the effort into getting Lost Planet 2 working on PC again
They were smart in building their own market. They have games in genres with almost no competition. >Monster Hunter, literally defined its own genre and has complete monopoly over it >Resident Evil, the only action horror series left >Street Fighter, pretty much the only mainstream 2D fighting series (MK has its own casual audience with minimal overlapping) >DMC5 was also the only new stylish action game at the time >DD sells to the usual hardcore autists who will also slurp up the expansion the moment it comes out
The only time they flopped is when they tried to do 3rd person shooter GaaS with Exoprimal
These games didn't fail to sell. Fans just subverted Square Enix's expectations.
>The only time they flopped is when they tried to do 3rd person shooter GaaS with Exoprimal
Guess the drag queens didn't help after all, huh.
>in the original he disappears into the fire while in the remake it just fades to black while he's still right there
holy shit how incompetent
Again, fricking Smash Bros did it better. On hardware that's about 2 generations behind in graphical power. And as a specific detail for one fighter out of goddamn 84.
>Guess the drag queens didn't help after all, huh.
Woke shit was completely irrelevant.
It was a 60$ multiplayer-only game with limited content in a saturated genre.
Using the Regina lookalike as bait for Dino Crisis gays was also not a wise move
>Using the Regina lookalike as bait for Dino Crisis gays was also not a wise move
This, Dino crisis gays will always be pissed that Capcom baited them. They still wanted a proper third game after 20 years and still never got it
>all these replies
lmao, guess Capcom shills want you to forget about how scummy they were during the 7th gen. I guess we will suddenly forget about DD2.
capcom has more popular IPs. They just need not to be stupid
Square has final fantasy and it's full of Japanese moe tropes that don't translate well in the west. Who gives a shit that Who Cloud loves when the protag himself is unlikable . How does it help you attract new audiances.
People are outraged over Stellar Blade false advertisement but half of those XV sales are based on a 100x more fricked up false advertisement marketing campaign
>game on the PS4 sells faster an entry from the PS1/PS2 era
holy shit, this is truly unheard of! I can't think of 20 other long running franchises that have done the exact same thing!
The new CEO seems to have a better grasp of the situation, given he's only been in charge a few months and is already making significant changes like this.
I almost feel like a kid again, watching Superfriends and seeing the heroes constantly forget their incredibly obvious and useful abilities. >Your eyes shoot lasers, fricker! LASERS!!!! MELT HIS GODDAMN HEAD OFF! ASS!!!!
Maybe they could have released it as well as FFXVI concurrently on PC instead of this special snowflake exclusivity shit and then crying about their sales when the push console only platform.
Aren't you the moron who tried to claim the 33m loss in 2018 was from xv even thought it was nothing to do with xv or the dlc and was just because of some low budget projects and CG production got cancelled?
I'm convinced Matsuda greenlit as much shit as he could before getting the boot, in order to try and sink the company, thank god Kiryu seems to be competent
Honestly remake intergrade being 80 euro fullprice for a 2 year old game on PC alone is a huge flop, let alone that the graphics probably don't make it that enjoyable to play on my high end but ancient hardware
Even being on sale for 50% it's still 40 euro. I'll probably get it once I get new hardware but SE makes baffling, tonedeaf decisions.
>This fricking thread
I do have to wonder why a board thats to ignorant on finances terms is so adamant i having an opinion on the financial status of a company
It clearly says thats the "loss" it's due reestructure, something that has been in line with what kyriu has been doing
It's not about rebirth or ff16 or Even flopspoken (well, maybe flopspoken did tell kyriu to stop investing in shit, sorry Barry)
The game is just too huge to remake on modern tech. They had to split it in 3 games and thats why sales are falling. And the gap between games is like 2-3 years and people just lose interest.
>The game is just too huge to remake on modern tech
That's bullshit.
They padded the frick out of rebirth so players could sink 100+ hours into it.
FFVII is a fairly average JRPG in terms of length. The original story takes 25-30hrs on a first playthrough if you don't do the extra content.
Nobody needed midgard to be padded with fillers and last for 50hours, nobody.
What you're not getting is that 7 is full of many different locales and environments. They pulled it off because they just use pre-rendered backgrounds.
In a full 3D Remake you have to model every asset. And then the city of Midgar, this super dense location with unique assets, has nothing in common with a place like Nibelheim.
There's a reason the FF games dropped overworlds the same time they started moving away from pre-rendererd.
Rebirth is the first FF in a long time that actually feels fully realized.
NTA, but the entire goddamn game is one giant seemlessly interconnected map once you get the tiny bronco boat unlock in chapter 12.
I'm a 37 year old frick and the sheer scale and awe of Rebirth legitimately parallels the sheer scale and awe of leaving Midgar in OG7 for the first time and realizing that was just one small zone in a much larger world.
That's why i'm mad they shat the bed so hard.
They could have done it again but Nomura had to be a moron
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>Nomura had to be a moron
Nomura is the only one of the key 4 that wanted to keep the story as close to the original as possible. Nojima and Kitase, specifically Kitase, are the ones that wanted to add all the weird compilation shit into it and turn it into a weird meta narrative that require you to read all of Kitases shitty side novels and novellas and stories to understand what the frick is happening. Nomura wanted to expand the game (wall market is the perfect example), not change the story drastically.
>implying remake wasn't padded out hallway simulator >implying any jrpg isn’t just hallways
Rebirth has a different problem: sucking wiener >no overworld
Making an overworld takes like no effort at all, it would legitimately the least of their problems if they attempted again
But NO! Open world slop with grocery list sidequests, that's where its at.
I mean, that was on the PS2 and over 20yrs ago. The fact that Remake had literal jpgs for majority of the background was both pathetic yet oddly endearing.
FF7 remake spends a lot of times close up with it's characters in a lot of close environments too, it's understandable that the game would sacrifice distant detail for local detail, to an extent it was a success, the characters in FF7 look better than they did in FF7 Advent Children.
Not true. FF12 has the most realised world, despite what you may think of the poor pacing and "boringness" of it's setting. It achieves this by doing the thing monster hunter does where the maps have traversal points which makes the locations feel larger.
>get the oriignal backgrounds and upscale properly(or remake since you don't ave sourcecode) >replace all the roblox models to look like proper low poly 3d models in the style >make sue all the models and art is the same instead of like 5 different looks for cloud depending on context >just make sure you don't use the low quality pc port music files >polish up translation for obvious flaws like "Aeris" >put on alls ystems 50 bucks
Easy 20 million.
>don't use the low quality pc port music files
Those are the original files, just uncompressed. The PS1 version is the version that uses the low quality files.
You had to have the right sound card (Yamaha XG) in order for them to play properly, a common problem with PC games in the 80s/90s.
You stylize the scale. The world doesn't need to have MMO scale. Why would it.
A world map with downscaled locations (LIKE THEY USED TO) would do the job perfectly fine. But noooo, everything has to be 1:1!
Don't try to reinvent the wheel. There is a lot you can do to expand on the game even if the gameplay remains ATB or the camera remains fixed
Update the models and give them more expressions and animations, even if the style is still "chibi" or "anime" this way you can have better looking cutscenes
Add more scenes and more character interactions. In the original most of the times only the characters in the party would speak or appear in the story (the most obvious one is Aerith's death where the only ones that care are Cloud and whoever is in the party at that moment), make it so everyone gets their chance to say something. Make Yuffie and Vincent not optional so you can have them appear when needed
Make a new translation, and add more languages too while you're at it. The original is filled with typos or non sensical parts
Less loading screens or more unified areas, but keep the world map and don't turn every original game area in a 2 hour slog
Voice acting? New bosses? Additional side quests? New dungeons? New summons? FF I to VI got them in the GBA and DS days so do something similar
Really, why do you need to turn it into whatever Remake and Rebirth are?
Nearly identical to Remake/Rebirth except scaled back about 20-30% and remove all the time janny 6D chess omni aerith omni sephiroth shit and just retell the original story with most of the expanding they're doing in Remake/Rebirth.
Remake was mediocre. I don't have a PS5, but Rebirth looks terrible. I have no intention of buying it once it comes to PC, not even at deep discount.
The third part could be cancelled for all I care. This is the worst possible way they could've done a remake.
>I don't have a PS5, but Rebirth looks terrible
Rebirth is genuinely the best FF game since OG FF7. >but muh time jannies and muh multiverse!
completely irrelevant for about 95% of the game and then only sort of relevant for the final boss fight at which point it's no longer relevant for the next game >but muh mini games
vast majority of which are optional and also if you're complaining about TOO MUCH OPTIONAL GOOFY SIDE CONTENT in a JRPG you should exit this mortal coil.
oh no, not the other completely optional part of the game
you don't HAVE to go to every map marker and do all that shit, you realize that right? some of the best content in the game is tied to doing all of it though
Not surprised. After plenty of awful decisions were made about the game namely the awful save transfer, every town being black and woke as frick, needing Chadley to do anything on an open world map, etc. on top of changes that made people on the fence already.
my only dog in this race is Final Fantasy versus XIII and I say let the man make it, even if it turns out to be a shit game and a pain in the ass to develop (because of mismanagement)
The edgy Shakespearian/Wagnerian/mafia stuff will be refreshing to and draw in a lot of people. The style alone will mask shit gameplay and writing like it did for other Japanese games.
>they expect me to play 240€ for a fricking game?
Only if you must play them on the day they come out and you don't wait for sales.
If you waited, you could have gotten Remake for free when you bought Rebirth.
They'll probably do a Remake+Rebirth+3rd Game bundle when the 3rd game comes out where it's like 80$ and you're only paying 10$ for both Remake+Rebirth.
DQX generally outperforms XIV in japan and has historically as well but they still never released it to global.
The thing about Japanese companies is the top brass will constantly sabotage each other so only their pet project takes the spotlight regardless of the damage to the company
How did they treat him like shit? Allowing him to make nier automata after decades of mediocre shit feels like preferential treatment if anything. As soon as he's ready to make nier 2 they will give him the resources.
they should've just stuck to fixed camera angles, they were handling it fine with FFX.
fixed angles will always have charm to it aswell because you can really focus on the parts you want the player to see and don't have to spend 10 years fotographing rocks to make every pebble look realistic.
or go for a more stylized approach like Kingdom Hearts (or FF9 style but the game itself is fixed camera) which also handled 3D without issue.
It wasn't the 3d that fricked them but their obsession with realistic graphics while struggling to get it done in their engines
I feel bad for KH. The PS2 games still hold up well and from the initial KH3 reveal it looks like they were trying to retain some of that style, but I guess since they had to go more towards CGI Disney properties they had to have Sora adapt a style closer to something that matched most of the game. Top Sora looks great here but he would look out of place looking like that in a Toy Story world, so I get why he had to change.
And now that seems to happening all over again with KH4. Sora is adapting to an even more realistic style because I assume there will be a larger focus on live action properties this time around. Basically what I'm getting at is if Disney were still doing hand drawn stuff, KH might have been allowed to keep its own distinct style rather than chase realism, which is a darn shame.
KH3 (outside of a few specific areas) is genuinely one of the best looking stylized games on the market and legitimately looks like you're playing a pixar film.
True, I won't deny that. Seeing the Toy Box world for the first time sorta blew my mind. Seeing Andy's room being generated in real time on a PS4 look so close to the original film, which took hundreds of hours rendered by server farms in the 90s really puts into perspective how far along we've come.
Wonder if the reason that the MMOtards get so defensive over Square Enix, is because if Square goes under, they lose all their social interaction. All while most people who enjoyed Square's old shit would happily see the company flop do to their own moronic hubris.
If they stopped sucking Sony's wiener then XVI and Rebirth would have done better. But nope! They just keep trying to sell JRPGs to people who only want gay shit or movies games
That talking point was so moronic. And somehow not the worst rpg talking point of the year because bg3 fanatics insisted that the entire wide genre of rpgs is actualyl shit and only playing no impact choice dress ups ex doll sims are true rpgs.
Weirdly enough, I tapped out of the compilation when First Soldier came out and wouldn't let me use my online handle that I have used for 15+ years on every big vidya forum, YouTube, etc. because it was suddenly offensive to poor people in England. I wasn't too surprised when Rebirth got woke af.
Just a reminder for all the gigacopers saying that the 140 Million in loses are because of the cancelled games.
They released FF16 and FFVIIp2 this fiscal year. They should be making gangbuster profits after investing for years developing both games and instead they lost money LMAO
They straight up need to stop trying to make AAA games. I've never seen a studio not understand their audience more. Gamefreak are just lazy, not stupid - they know what their fans want they just have no incentive to do it. Square is just fricking stupid.
"content disposal loss" is marking down losses for projects that are canceled without release. Given the CEO talking about basically shifting to more or less just "AAA" type games in the console space, I guess non-AAA stuff from the nvidia leak like the FFT remaster or ffxi remake and maybe even the dqiii 2d-hd remake are canceled now.
>They should stop making mobile games >They should stop releasing unfinished games that need fixes and DLCs >They should stop remaking older games >They should fund every single Yoko Taro idea
I fixed Squeenix.
Not gonna lie bros i pre ordered Rebirth and i haven't played it yet. I didn't even finish Remake.
I did finish XVI but i had to force myself to, it was the most boring game in the mainline for me and i really mean that.
I just want this series to be good so i keep trying them but man.
I did have some fun with XV but the game is shit and not Versus. Never played its DLCs.
XIV was fun for a while but is a soulless repetitive MMO that isn't even as good as early WoW.
the XIII trilogy was overall positive but the only game i liked entirely in it was XIII-2
XIII-2 was the last FF game i actually liked. Isn't that kinda sad?
Will i be cursed with shit FF games forever?
All SE had to do to make money was literally just make 1.1 ff7 remake with modern graphics and a slight flare, they would have made money forever but nooooo they had to reinvent the wheel and now the company is on the verge of bankruptcy
January 2020 when the demo was leaked and had contents like the ending script on it. We knew about Zack and the Whisperers back then and it was the most complained about section of the Remake pre-release for sure.
I guess you're right, thinking about it there are much better. If they translated BoF2 actually well back in the day I wonder if it'd be more popular.
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BoF2 got a retranslation, and it's still derided for the gameplay. There's a reason why most people's favorite game is either 3 or 4.
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>start with dragon quarter >like dragon quarter best because what it did was completely new for me in jrpgs >don't give a frick about liking the 'worst' bof most
I will like Breath of Fire Dragon Quarter best forever.
Mystic Quest is in the "Collection of SaGa:Final Fantasy Legends" collection I thought.
Also yea no shit nobody remembers the game that came out like 3 years after the PS1 came out that never got a release outside of JP.
Either way, the point is the vast majority of their SNES library is already on Steam, and the handful of games that aren't on Steam aren't exactly going to sell gangbusters if they ever got a remake.
>se-sloppers pretending that x,y,z square product is any better than the rest
holy KEK
you Black folk will graze over se products eternally and they'll all be the same dogshit
>take sony and epic's money instead of releasing on Steam on day 1 like Capcom >everyone forgets your game exists >company goes in the red
Good riddance.
>have to play original game >have to play remake >have to play crisis core or whatever >have to watch a fricking movie >now you can maybe start rebirth
the barrier to entry is too high and zoomers dont care about it
Plenty of people are going into Remake without any prior knowledge of 7.
You guys drastically overestimate how much knowledge you need going into the Remake project.
People that don't have the context of the original aren't confused by the same shit that we are - the time jannies is the perfect example. For players of the OG and CC and all the compilation shit, we know the time jannies are new and are trying to figure out what the frick they're doing and how they play into the larger story.
For them, they're just one smaller part of the overall story that they're being presented with for the first time, so they take it all in stride.
We see shit like Glenn Lodbrok popping up or there being a massive Avalanche that was only hinted at in the original, or there being a full on Wutai/Shinra war, and think "well frick, this is massively different from the original, glad I have all the context for whats happening by playing Ever Crisis and Before Crisis so I know who Glenn is and I know who Sarruf is".
They see shit like Glenn Lodbrokc popping up or there being a massive Avalanche or there being a full on Wutai/Shinra war and go "neat, i wonder how they did this all in the original".
It's a COMPLETELY different experience, and to be hoenst, it's fascinating to see the two sides at completely different ends of one another.
kino kino omg kino PEAK gamin this is 10/10 omg i need to buy rebirth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>a part literally everyone shits on
Rebirth's lowest parts are the Shinra mansion as Cait, and the Corel Prison finding greens part. The latter is fine if you like the side content/mini games cause its some forced side content. These two parts are not as bad as Remakes >The Drum >Return to the Sewers >Train Graveyard >this stupid hand crane shit
and I also hate the Sun Lamps part and the Jessie chapter.
>is so completely mindbroken by a logical response to his bullshit claim over entry barrier that he instantly goes into shitposting mode and posts the single most complained about thing across bother Remake and Rebirth
you were better off just not responding and taking the L.
this is exactly why nu7remake cant' attract new audiences. Everyone says "It's easy to understand" then process to write 5 pages long essay that has different interpretation than previous 10 guys's before him
You didn't read my post.
Nothing in my post is even remotely trying to make sense of the story or the plot.
It's simply stating the difference in how someone familiar with OG7 and the compliation sees the story compared to someone that is playing Remake as their first FF game and has no context over the story of the original.
>switch releases often double their ps counterparts >even with this data continue to move faster away from making games for switch hardware
I don't understand.
Their last CEO took advice from a fortune teller in Taiwan. He was told that the current location of the headquarters was not lucky, so he suddenly rented a new location in the "lucky" part of Tokyo and forced everyone and everything to move.
All of their leadership is like this. That's why they keep putting out shit games and NFTs.
That's what happens when you put out remakes that are worse than the original.
Why is he smiling in the remake?
>"Tst, yeah, I'm evil now!"
The original was more ominous.
Because he's the Jokester, baby.
No really, I don't get Sephiroth's character in general. He flip/flops between obsessing over Cloud and achieving Godhood via an incredibly ambiguous method as the plot needs it. He's not interesting, but he looked cool when we were 12. In retrospect, the only ominous scene this dude had was murdering President Shinra, a scene in which he wasn't even featured. Everything else just makes me chuckle, especially Nibelheim. Reminds me of Final Fantasy IV's introduction in how absurdly stupid it is.
Sephiroth doesn't obsess over Cloud.
Sephiroth is basically mindbroken by Jenova and then they form some sort of symbiosos together and their goal is to achieve godhood yes.
sephiroth seems obsessed over Cloud because he (and the other hooded figures) is a part of "him" (they have jenova cells inside them) and he/jenova basically mind control them.
Basically, Cloud believes Sephiroth is chasing him while it's really the other way around
The translation doesn't really make it clear.
Just like they butchered OG Cloud, the remake butchered OG Sephiroth. Jenova barely matters now
What's sad is that the image you posted ages better every year.
>Waits for an ambiguous period of time to kill Aerith just to taunt Cloud, even threatening his Godhood
What did he mean by this?
Cloud doesn't believe Sephiroth is chasing him. His group follows Sephiroth (the Jenova impersonation remote controlled by Sephiroth from the northern crater) to put a stop to his plans, and they do that on their own volition, but it's not some kind of plot gotcha or anything.
What mindfricks Cloud are the Sephiroth clones controlling his brain due to the cells. Sephiroth clones acts omniously aroud him because he knows that Cloud doesn't remember shit and they can toggle him to be under his control whenever he wants (as displayed by the Black materia delivery, or the multiple scenes when he's about to kill Aerith)
It’s weird because he’s obviously a Griffith analogue but Griffith went crazy because he was so scared that the individuals he loved like Guts (and to a lesser degree, Casca) would make him lose focus and abandon his ambitions (his Dream).
Sephiroth and Cloud are obviously molded from the Griffith and Guts dynamic but fused with JRPG dynamics and tropes. Sephiroth is less of an ambitious idealist and more of a black-and-white morality Hero(tm) who flips allegiances at the drop of a hat because of new information he gets about who he thinks he is (a cetra) and who that makes his enemies (humanity). We basically never really see the real Sephiroth after Cloud chucks him into the life stream because we can never reliably be sure who Cloud is seeing fly around or show up places.
In Compilation/Remake, they started pandering to the fandom version (or one of them) of Sephiroth and Cloud and using fan-reaction as their primary basis for how they write characters, even if that ends up making them make no fricking sense
The new version is so gay, holy shit
Every single interaction between Cloud and Sephiroth in the remakes is like that
>that cutback to Cloud's face
You seriously couldn't have conveyed the feeling to the player without having to show the main character make a face?
>Trusting your audience to know how to feel
On a semi-related note, can somebody explain to me Cloud's obsession with Sephiroth? The dude seemed like a creepy butthole from the beginning. A certified OG in terms of fighting, but not exactly somebody worth idolizing. Was
/is Cloud moronic?
Cloud is being mindraped - literally - by Sephiroth see
Even before Cloud was injected with Jenova cells? He wants to polish Sephiroth's Masamune, which makes some sense when he's a teenager, because Sephiroth's legacy precedes him. But then he meets him and he's just a creepy, melodramatic loser. Was Cloud's fanboy nature really that overpowering?
Cloud is a nerd trying to be a badass to impress his childhood crush (Tifa)
I guess seeing his idol one-shot a dragon was enough for him
I wrongly worded it. By "chased" I meant "taunted" or "obsessed" because of the clone frickery but you explained it better than me and it makes much more sense.
Dramatic effect lol. In the end, it mindbreaks Cloud for good. Maybe Sephi/Jenova is like a cat who enjoys toying with its victims?
Yeah... he's so... powerful...
>Compilation slop
Now watch this
Ah yeah he gets constantly taunted, that's right. That's where the “puppet” slang comes from that all post OGFF7 media loves to drill so much on.
It's all good.
>Maybe Sephi/Jenova is like a cat who enjoys toying with its victims?
I get the whole dramatic effect aspect and I'm all for it, but at the end of the day this is a game with over 10 hours of dialogue/cutscenes. How there is anything left ambiguous, any room for maybe, is baffling to me. Also I'm pretty sure it has the opposite effect. The Lifestream mindbreaks Cloud, ironically. Aerith's death is what eventually inspires Cloud and the entire party to go SSJ2 and defeat Sephiroth.
Maybe Sephiroth is one way, maybe another way, maybe both? Who knows. The way he's portrayed is however the plot needs him to be. All just to tell Cloud's story, which is... ?
I think SQuaresoft was a bit too inspired by Evangelion and it shows.
I'm glad the end product is still mostly coherent yet clouded (heh) with mystique
Basically, initially Cloud idolized Sephiroth because he was this incredibly powerful elite Soldier, something that Cloud also wanted to be.
While he was never actually chosen for the Soldier program, he did luck out by getting placed in same unit as his idol. But during the assignment, he befriends Zack, who succeeded in what Cloud failed, becoming a Soldier despite having similarly humble background.
Next part is kind of weird. But during their assignment on Nibelheim, Sephiroth finds out the true origin of Soldiers, that they all have genes of alien life-form Jenova inside them. As he learns more and more about what went into the Soldier program, he eventually insane and murders the whole town. What results is Zack first taking on Sephiroth, but failing. Cloud manages to take Seph out with a sneak attack, but both he and Zack fall down into the reactor, and Cloud gets a dose of Jenova cells.
Due to being so close to Zack when this happened, he actually adapted his memories, thinking that he experienced those things with Seph. Doesn't help that as Zack escapes with Cloud, he actually dies, so there's nobody tell Cloud whose memories he actually has.
...But yeah, what also happens with Jenova cells is that they all seek to unite again. So through course of FFVII, Cloud thinks he is chasing after Seph because he thinks he wants to make things right and kill that bastard, but it's actually Jenova cells inside him that are compelling him to seek him out.
tldr; Cloud's brain got fricked to point of being moronic.
I do actually like story of original FFVII, since it does make, and there's not too many insane leaps.
Just as a note, they didn't fall in the mako, only Sephiroth did (and that's how he ended on the northern crater)
Zack and Cloud especially got experimented by Hojo. That's why Cloud has Jenova cells, which grunts usually don't have (only first classers like Zack do), and that's where the brain frickery comes from.
Ahh, gotcha. It has been ages since I played the original, so I misremembered that part.
>Zack and Cloud especially got experimented by Hojo.
Now I remember, there's that part at the crater when Hojo gets excited and asks Cloud what his Soldier number is, but then Cloud says he didn't get one Hojo just goes "...Oh, you were one of those failures" and immediately loses interest.
Then Cloud just pathetically asks Hojo to give him a number. Cloud's demeanor did change after Aerith died, but that part really showed how fricked his mind had gotten.
Yeah the poor fellow gets mindbroken hard, he was desperate for recognition because he fricked up while enlisted in Shinra and didn't make it anywhere.
It's funny because the character mostly portrayed as an “emo, insufferable, stoic cold dude” is actually a nerdy dork. And he only becomes a stud after he recovers from the mako poisoning with the help of tifa and understands that his actions are what made him into a leader in the eyes of his friends, instead of letting himself get pulled down by his past shortcomings.
What a great game, I just love FF7
>initially Cloud idolized Sephiroth
I couldn't idolise anyone with hair like Sephiroth, no matter how elite of a solider they were. He looked like a troony even back then, when trannies weren't at the forefront of everything.
Actually Cloud takes on Zack's "memories" and forgets who he actually was because his brain is already fricked by the experiments + the trauma of seeing his hometown burn and his mom die
Following that with him seeing Zack get shot trying to protect Cloud, and telling Cloud to carry on his legacy etc completes the mindbreak ritual and turns Cloud into a schizo
>has a handsfree sissygasm
did Sephiroth.. do this?
This might actually be the worst I've seen from the Demake. So glad I ain't touching that shit.
It's ok, most people like you have strong opinions on things they havent even played. It's moronic, i know, but what can you do?
I don't need to play it to tell its shit. Trannies like you won't understand.
You will never be a woman, troon. Games and life arent the same. You HAVE to play a game before having an opinion otherwise, stay in your cuck corner
Pathetic. No wonder no one's buying your trash.
Realistically, Sephiroth would have passed out from oxygen deprivation due to all that fite
>in the original he disappears into the fire while in the remake it just fades to black while he's still right there
holy shit how incompetent
It's fine, you homosexuals are just fricking spergs. The only bad thing is them laying the foreshadowing on just a little to thick with the "nameless security officer" right outside clouds house saying "MOTHE - ack!"
>its fine, no one likes because youre all wrong and square goes under its because people playing it are wrong, not anyone who made the shit game
Shit taste. That was unironically the best change they made.
Why the frick does he do the cute nose scrunching thing that asian girls like to do? And why does Cloud make a face like he has an awkward boner?
Now post a side by side of the gameplay.
that image says they canned a bunch of unannounced games
Why does Square Enix care about money?
They make shit like forspoken and release their main games on only one system (when even sony avoids doing that by releasing their games on ps4 and pc)
Like... You don't do your business like that and then fricking complain about not making enough money, that makes no sense
I'm still betting they're aiming for the buyout from Sony. They've been cozying up to them for a decade.
>They've been cozying up to them for a decade.
More like nearly three decades.
>Lower their value enough that Sony could afford to buy them out
It's looking likely
Why the frick would sony buy them if SE is already acting detrimentally to themselves to prop up sony, for free, and with no liabilities on sony's part
You buy SE it costs money, now you have to make sure they make good games.
You don't - you keep the money and need not give a frick whether they live or die
Great jap biznes moovz as always
Not that unrealistic.
>make intentionally questionable decisions to lower your stock
>show that, despite your decisions, you still have some talent
>bait for the buyout as your own stock lowers because it looks like all you need is better leadership
In reality, of course, all talent has long since drained from SE and this is absolutely just bait.
Sony also can not afford square at all.
Everytime you see some moron dream of sony buying square it is 100% some ps1 boomer who can not let go of their childhood and wants to relive their glory days.
yea, bungie was a cool billy less than SE and sony already had to sold a profitable chunk of themselves for it
They're using 30 year old strategies. FFVII through XII were PS console exclusives and made a fine amount of revenue. Multiplat is a fairly new strategy for them. They probably thought FFXVI was going to lure people to buy a PS5, but people don't buy consoles for just ONE singleplayer game anymore like they used to.
>. Multiplat is a fairly new strategy for them.
They adapted pretty early with ff13 and ff15 but then decided to take the sony bribe again.
>people don't buy consoles for just ONE singleplayer game anymore like they used to
I don't know, I can see millions of people buying PS5s when GTA 6 comes out.
>I can see millions of people buying PS5s when GTA 6 comes out.
you are delusional
gta 6 will release on 4 systems (ps5, ps5pro, xbox series x and s), most people will be okay with playing it on what they currently have
A lot of people are still using PS4/Xbone because they're much cheaper and still being supported. GTA 6 on its own would be enough to convince many of them to make the jump.
>GTA 6 on its own would be enough to convince many of them to make the jump
And then just play that and be even less likely to buy any other AAA game.
Finally someone else gets it.
>Foresaken
>FF16
These are the games that MASSIVELY flopped. Games no one asked for that no one bought. Foresaken was just mindlessly copying western activists and trends, even consulting with idiot Californians. Will Japanese stop being naive? Activists don't know shit.
2m
this has nothing to do with forspoken which was fy2023
this is caused by ff16 and ff7 rebirth which released in fy2024 as this loss is for fy2024
>this is caused by ff16 and ff7 rebirth
that's not what SE said
Yes it is
>this is caused by
cancelling games in the pipeline, nothing to do with the games they released
FF16 and Rebirth flopping so hard they decided to revalute their HD pipeline and cancelled stuff too
the loss is from 16 and 7r2 making 0 profit plus cancellation of games as a result of that
are you moronic
So they're cancelling AAA games and going all in on smaller scale games?
no
they're tripling down on AAA games exclusively now and doing more internal only dev going forward, less outsourcing
>less outsourcing
But who will model the Americans?
No the exact opposite, they're going all in on AAA games like XVI, Rebirth, and Forspoken, while canceling all AA games. The loss seems to be from canceling all those AA games and not getting a profit from all their work
Pretty sure it’s from the AA games being bad, have to remind people they legit shotgun blasted some out all the the same time like the new star ocean and that horrible Valkyrie profile game
Yeah, but some of their AA-games are profitable... I wonder what the commonality is?
Diofield felt like an actual scam. Putting out AA games is a fine idea but they have to not suck.
Diofield could have been good if the plot didn't go full moron
Rebirth flopped harder than XVI.
Weird company.
Their MMOs are their only games that have achieved monumental profit, yet they do not go all-in on them
An immediate low cost high return product would be FFXI Classic
Then there's DQX global release, though that's more of a missed opportunity
>Their MMOs are their only games that have achieved monumental profit,
they don't.
FF14 has been basically carrying the company by itself
lol no, the only ones who actually believe this are fanboys of XIV.
Gacha carried SE for the last decade+
The MMOs are the lowest profitable sector they have.
Xivsters.. Our narrative.. The 30million accounts.. Our 500 dollar statues we buy just for a digital in game item..
FFXIV has around 1,2 million active characters NOT subscriptions.
I have 3 active characters.
does that include free trial chars?
>Data is carried out based on the data from 2013/8/25 to 2024/3/26.
I intended for the character who was higher than level 70 or belong to FC,that is get from Losestone charactor search page, in this survey.And narrowed character that Lv70 over(not included Lv70 just) and change hp,minion count,mount count from last survey to regard as active character.bot characters and subcharacter are exclude.Characters that has no mount as bot.Characters that use joblevel boost and not grown from level 70 and 80 as subcharacter
why would anyone bother with multiple characters when you can do everything on one character?
class fantasy
Why should I? If I create a character in a RPG I have one of two classes in mind. Not everything on one character.
>The 30million accounts
Wait only? Even pso2 has 10 million arks lmfao.
Wow this feels like wakfu where they made multibox official so everyone has to have like 8 characters.
read that first line again
The profit from XIV, XI, DQX together are greater than every other game combined excluding gacha
It wouldn't cost much at all. Obviously they would not generate a huge amount of revenue, but the profit would be significant given the minimal investment required
lol you have no idea of what you're talking about
Provide a counterargument or prove me wrong. You won't
>Provide a counterargument
the mmo division has been in eternal 3rd place for the past 15 years.
3rd in revenue, 1st in profit
>1st in profit
lol no that would be gacha still.
>It wouldn't cost much at all.
They don't have the PS2 dev kits to be able to pull off that undertaking. They don't have snapshots of previous patches, and XI was built on spaghetti code that would make even XIV 1.0's blush, and that is not even including the playonline integration, which is woven into XI.
If they could remove playonline, they would, because they know how it's the game's biggest roadblock to attracting new players.
And all that work for what? Attracting the 35+ year olds that used to play and somehow still enough free time, maybe a few zoomers, and Ninja.
Get real
FFXI was their highest yield game by far for years, eclipsed only recently by FFXIV. Both of them literally print money and require fairly low upkeep.
Most people actually cannot remember SE making a good decision.
MMO market is dead and capped out while shrinking hard. No one with any business sense would invest into this beyond what they got already running.
Yes Riot is moronic.
So why does Nexon have 4x the net profit of Square Enix and 2.5x the market cap? A company that continually invests in PC MMOs
Because they're a south korean chaebol and essentially a monopolistic gatekeeper to the entire SK market
>An immediate low cost high return product would be FFXI Classic
You have no idea what you're talking about
Legacy server for FFXI would have made sense 5 years ago when other MMOs were doing it too, but it doesn't now. And yes, there's no point in releasing DQX in the west 11 years after its release, they're better off just localizing the offline versions.
I would still sub to a DQ10 if they bring it over now
I think enough people want a classic MMO experience to justify the localization of X. Not the development of it or anything, but that's already done. Also, I don't want the chibi version, I dislike that style.
It's a business decision in case of FFXIV. They allocate a certain budget to FFXIV because they also expect a certain amount of profits back. They don't see the worth in increasing the budget and risking lower profits in return.
Opportunity cost, RoI and diminishing returns
MMO market is not that big and they're already plenty monetized - microtransactions and a sub, which very few games nowadays have.
For each extra dollar they spend on MMOs they need to make a dollar back, or they're losing money. If they double what they spend on XIV every player needs to either double their spend, or they need to double the playerbase while keeping the average spend same or higher.
You can't just keep pouring money into something expecting a higher return for it. This is why all their other games kept having "disappointing" sales - they spent way too fricking much on each, so they needed insane sales to cover that
MMOs are for a shrinking audience full of absolute morons. People who play ff14 are moronic cows that only exist to be milked, putting more effort in would only waste resources.
Just make actual Final Fantasy game again that you didn't spend hundreds of millions of dollars and 10 years dev time on, c**ts.
Just buy Octopus Overdraft or whatever those shitty Square JRPGs that nobody buys and everyone pretends to like are called
How about making good ones for a change? You know like they used to.
They haven't made those in 20 years square-soft had been going downhill since it merged with enix.
Their managment also only rivals konami in their stupidity.
Apparently those games are good. I don't know, I haven't played them, neither have you because nobody actually wants to play low budget 4 homie in a row games these days
The writing is terrible, they are horribly paced and lack character. Of course nobody likes them.
this right here is the main issue with square games. their games are story focused yet their stories are so fricking convoluted and requires you to consume multiple media formats so it may somewhat make sense yet the pay off is not that great. the. theres the pacing. square are masters in making boring sequences with absolutely abysmal pacing.
bro the last two chapters in rebirth had me almost pulling my hair out from how fricking gay the story and pacing was. I hate that game so much.
This is the company that at some point wrote the character of Vivi for a children's game
And nowadays they are unable to convey an iota of human emotion
Just frick them, they deserve to rot
Octopath Traveler sold 4.8 million.
It's bigger than the last 2 mainline "final fantasy" titles.
Which would be about 4.8 thousand if it was a PS5 exclusive
>Octopath Traveler sold 4.8 million.
the two games combined have sold 4 milllion.
And I'm sure it cost a fraction if what mainline ff costs.
Octopath with a final fantasy budget would've sold 10M but hey we want the DMC audience but also need to make sure 60 year olds can play it so cut out the sauce of DMC
You could put a tiny bit more budget on a new bravely default for more polish and va, sell that as "return to classic final fantasy" on all systems with proper marketing campaign(not bloated, just focused) and have a easy +10 million seller.
But that would be smart and having a tiny bit of sense for videogames so lol lmao.
>Octopath with a final fantasy budget would've sold 10M
lmao, do you turn based gays really believe this?
Persona 5 is reaching 10 mil and that shit is not better than turn based FF
meanwhile half the reviews of XVI said they felt the combat was boring and repetitive and XV has received even less praise for its combat
Bringing up the P-word will trigger a lot of autists Anon.
persona 5 success is weird because it hasn't lead to an increase of sales for p3 and p4
seems there is more a persona 5 fanbase than a persona fanbase
that just leads back to the budget thing. people look at 3 and 4 and see it's old. they want the shiny good looking thing, hence things like Octopath and Bravely will never reach the big numbers either. Not saying they would otherwise but that alone is enough to stop many from buying.
Falcom has consistently pushed out better Action RPGs and JRPGs than Square, but they don't have that fancy look to them and so they will never sell 10M
P5 is flashy and incredibly simple for jrpg standards. It's also rather fujo baity with joker and akechi, which you can't really do with the older ones. Hence Atlus trying to make everything into p5 style instead of developing a unique identity like the others had
you know that's counting everything with P5 in the title, including spinoffs like Strikers that sold 2M, right?
Octopath is so bad it's amazing how little you can care about the story in an rpg
>actual Final Fantasy game
What is that exactly?
Any answer you give will be defined by a genre, but Squeenix execs desperately want to return to the times when THEY defined genres, not the other way around.
>but Squeenix execs desperately want to return to the times when THEY defined genres, not the other way around.
They seem to have a general attitude/delusion of thinking things are still the way they were in the early-mid 2000s, both for themselves and the external industry. They think they're still the head-turner pop stars they used to be, and they still think Sony is the undisputed king of the mountain by a huge margin (since they're pretty much the only third-party frickers taking exclusivity deals anymore from them).
Well they fricking aren't. They need to get their head out of the ass and make a high quality 2D pixelshit 4 homies in a row type game for relatively low cost and release it for the price of a normal game. Every boomer and autistic FF fan will buy it.
>Octopath traveller 1 and 2
>Bravely default
>Diofeld chronicle
They did that, they've done that already see this is the problem why threads like this keep getting bumped they're full of loud morons who think they know what they're talking about.
homie if they put Final Fantasy on the box and ramped up on like the "DAE remember their childhood?" marketing that pokemon it would sell boat loads. Also Octopath Traveler I guarantee made more money relative to it's budget than FF7r and FFshitteen.
Diofield was a fricking terrible game though.
Do you live in some alternate reality where they haven't had a AA division for the last like 10 years that's been pumping out basically what you're talking about?
>Bravely Defaults
>Octopaths
>Triangle Strategy
>Diofield
>Star Ocean 2R
Yeah, they should only do that.
Those games have worse profit margins than their HD games.
Also I forgot to put on that list the entire goddamn Pixel Remaster collection, and Live-A-Live, and probably a few others.
None of them sell particularly well, certainly not well enough to keep an entire studio afloat.
How? They charge full-fricking price for them. They need to fire people or downsize or something, half those things they just reuse assets for anyway. Seriously, they're fricked.
>How? They charge full-fricking price for them.
Because they sell like absolute dogshit, which is why they've completely scrapped the AA division and are only focusing on AAA games and their MMOs.
At least people like those ones. Nobody likes their AAA slop. Mmo slop will be profitable forever whatever.
>Those games have worse profit margins than their HD games.
[citation needed]
You're free to go through their earnings reports over the last few years and look up the information yourself.
There's a reason they shuttered all their AA branches and studios and are only focusing on AAA games and the MMOs.
>remake the same game for 30 years
>go broke
Somehow nintendo has managed it
Turns out the remakes actually have to be good.
It's funny how ArtePiazza showed up both Square Enix (actually making a faithful remake) and Nintendo/IntSys (actually managed to still make the remake 60fps like the fricking original was on much weaker hardware).
no they don't, you just need a mentally stunted perpetually manchildren audience
But that's what Final Fantasies audience has been for the past 2 decades.
Fgays don't buy literal cardboards for 80 bucks.
But, do they buy digital bobbleheads of their corporate overlords?
Nintendo makes good games, though.
Nintendo didn't have a ff13 and 15 incident to nuke the brand
wii u
That just didn't sell, It didn't ruin Nintendo's image.
I still don't understand how ff13 got teo fricking spinoff games.
Probably just trying to drain more money out of the already made assets and engine.
Yes but 13-2 and 13-3 hurt the brand, they were simply not high quality enough to be mainline titles. FF13/15 were at least expensive so most people at least felt they got their moneys worth out of them
Well that's what square does best. Cut their limbs off in exchange for minor short term profit.
It was during a desperate time for the company, with the initial version of FF14 flopping and the realization their biggest brand is not too big to fail like they thought. They greenlit asset flips to make money and keep afloat
ff13 had too many unused assets so they made the sequels to make use of it
This, FF13 was supposed to be twice as long if not for X360 version. It was supposed to be launched with 7 DVDs until MS told them no. So they downsized it to 3 DVDs.
15 saved ff
16 nuked it
no it hasn't
frick off with this lie already
Mobile carries SE
>15 saved ff
15 sold well due to the hype but it was garbage
if it weren't for their handhelds, they would have went bankrupt ages ago. the n64, gamecube, and wii u were massive flops. wii was an outlier, but software sales and attachment rate were not that great
>but software sales and attachment rate were not that great
This. Did you know that 75% of Wiis were only ever purchased for Wii Sports? The game that came in the fricking box?
The Wii is still sold today to schools and nursing homes as a way to get kids and elderly people active playing Wii Sports and nothing else.
The amount of money Nintendo must've lost on the Wii has got to be insane.
>Nintendo didn't have a ff13 and 15 incident to nuke the brand
Sticker Star and Color Splash are fricking terrible games, yet they actually managed to somehow salvage things with Origami King.
the same game for 30 years
That's the problem. None of the 2 FF games are anything similar except direct sequels. Even they are different in some areas such as FF13 and 13-2, 13 had 6 characters and 13-2 had 2 characters with 1 pokemon slot.
How is square even in business these days nearly all of their games for the past 15 years have been commercial and critical failures.
They have a very profitable MMO (XIV), a few well-performing gachas and I've heard they have their hands in some other shit like manga and a bit of publishing.
I literally do not know a single person who has a PS5. Releasing titles locked to that platform is massively limiting their potential install base. The only reason I haven't bought FFXVI, for example, is that it's not on PC yet.
50m units are owned and activated by players.
>I literally do not know a single person who has a PS5.
It really feels like a system exclusively for content creators and streamers. I know no real person who has one of them beyond that. And that expands to the games as well. Just look at all the 3rd party shit sony paid to release this year on ps5. It really feels like Square and other companies are exclusively selling to content creators and Sony. Do they count free keys as sale?
>Do they count free keys as sale?
Lol i remember when forspoken was release i searched PT-BR twitter to see what people were talking about and there were dozens of streamers with 100-200 followers that got keys for the game, their products are so garbage nowadays that they five it for free.
I think I only know two people who have a PS5. One never plays it and the only probably just used it for Hogwarts Legacy. I feel like a lot of people bought one to have it or that games would have came out eventually.
Remember when they censored Tifa again and again? Because i do. Frick them, i hope they go bankrupt.
ALRIGHT Ganker, YOU'RE ON!
WHAT GAME IS GUARANTEED TO MAKE THEM A BUNCH OF MONEY???
Ff7 remake, but the real one
would be hilarious to see them scurry and repurpose ever crisis assets to pump that out
FF Venus Vacation
They don't have guaranteed money makers anymore they botched all of their franchises. But the best bet would be on FFX-3 which would work as a soft reboot of FFX. That would be their last chance
FF9 1:1 remake with bonus features for longtime fans
That's already coming, provided they didn't just cancel it now
I hope the show isn’t cancelled. I want to see what the French are cooking.
It has been a while since the nvidia leak and all those other games released all ready. I wonder what the hold-up is
which would flop if we're all being honest here lmao
flop is probably too harsh of a word, it'll probably do well but not as well as they expect for something as revered as FF9
I doubt they put the FF7 type of budget into it, so it probably doesn't need to do millions to make a profit. Especially if they go multiplat route. Could see it do decently with the Switch audience tbh.
They were already happy when Automata did 1 million so I truly don't understand how they didn't take lessons from that by making more mid to lower budget games be more appealing, but whatever. Square's management has been horribly incompetent for years. I know some people don't care for Sakaguchi's game creations but his role as manager really was crucial to Square.
Nier 3, actual Nier 3 not some shitty gacha
Patch out "ethics department" shut from parts 1&2 and make part 3 unpozzed. That or make ff17 turn based with waifu party members.
>Guaranteed to make them a bunch of money.
Square and Enix breaking up. You'd get people back interested in Japanese EA again if it's brand is just Square again.
Just a simple oldschool FF would sell like hotcakes and dear god don't make it a fricking console or epic exclusive.
Tifa paizuri simulator
A turn based 2d final fantasy
don't pozz dragon quest
Release all their games on all consoles at the same time, and make games people want to play. This means:
>ps3 level of graphics is good enough
>turn based battle system like baldurs gate or final fantasy 10 if bg3 is too complicated for them
>classic final fantasy monsters
>have no mural design the characters if you want more nostalgia
>make the world interesting
That’s all you need. None of this 2dhd brown bloom crap, no chibi style garbage.
Also,
>final fantasy where all the final fantasies get mashed together
Yeah it’s been done but it sucks. Oh no, the emperor stole firions flower! Let’s go get it back! Give some real stakes, kill of beloved characters and make it a crisis on infinite earths type event.
They have tons of popular properties they can rip off, and they are always led by the dumbest people on earth, who consult Japanese psychics for what to do.
It’s going to take a crisis on infinite earths style success to save them.
Yeah if they released their entire library online they'd make shitloads. It's not like it'd be any work.
They do something unexpected and make their own GTA+Yakuza game.
who owns Sleeping Dogs now?
Nothing, at this point they have burnt their reputation so badly there's nothing they can make that can be a guaranteed success.
Just try to make a good game and see if it sells, that's the only way really.
how comes everyone at the very top of the company chain lack vision?
>primed to kill wow
>doesnt hire devs
>doesnt scale up
>uhhh cry on cam
grim
>A bunch of projects canned or put on pause forever
>Some of them are even 12 months out
oy vey
>>Some of them are even 12 months out
At that point why NOT just release them? Do you get a huge tax-break if you just don't bother with it?
12 months is a huge amount of time in game development terms. Such projects would be nowhere near finished, so you either have to pay all those developers for another year to work on something you don't think will make money, or cut your losses and set them to work on pumping out more nostalgiabait from when your company was good.
>cancelling everything in a panic once your games flop
Strong leadership
FF16 caused the loss
Good. Square Enix is japanese EA, they keep releasing sloop after sloop and don't bring games people actually want.
WHERE'S MY FRICKING CHRONO TRIGGER REMAKE.
NO I DON'T WANT ANOTHER FRICKING PORT, THE SNES GRAPHICS ARE FRICKING CRAP
>THE SNES GRAPHICS ARE FRICKING CRAP
You don't deserve a chrono trigger remake
It's happening more and more lately. Companies are spending ludicrous amounts of money on making these games and then are shocked when it can barely break even.
Oh no, not Square Enix.
that 140m loss is cancellation of AA projects, rebirths profit or loss hasn't been documented anywhere yet.
they are folding most of the smaller teams into the bigger AAA dev teams
>that 140m loss is cancellation of AA projects
its this, they were talking about doing this long before rebirth came out
https://wccftech.com/square-enix-will-soon-restructure-its-development-system-to-improve-game-quality-and-profit-margins/
its caused by ff16 and rebirth flopping plus things gets cancelled
moronic if true, they are just going to make more big flops
> they are folding most of the smaller teams into the bigger AAA dev teams
lol AA is what they should be focusing on. It’s not the 90s anymore. Square isn’t make the kind of sales needed for AAA games.
Remake Part 3 is probably going to be scaled down
Guaranteed.
New CEO has said from the moment he was appointed he wants to double down on their AAA titles so I doubt it
I doubt it, Rebirth has done most of the leg work already
they'd rather die than take the reputation hit of fricking up part 3 in a trilogy
everything depends on if switch 2 can handle the games because that will print money and atleast save the japanese sales rate of ff
Nah, Remake 3 was likely prebudgeted and set in stone long ago. Because, you know, they're fricking MORONS.
>make game
>only release it on a platform noone owns
>wtf why noone buy my game
dumb fricks
>Re-release game on the biggest platform, but on a moronic store
>wtf why noone buy my game you guys said you wanted game on this platform
kek did they really? I didn't even know it came to PC
>I didn't even know it came to PC
Literally the case with Kingdom Hearts, the World ends with you, FF Remake, Stranger of Paradise and many others, releasing on Epic means doming your game
>Kingdom Hearts
Still not on steam btw THANKS TIM
I'm sure that's something related to Disney, since these are the only ones more stupid than Square Enix
can't wait for the KH Disney movie and the next KH mobile game
KH bros are really eating good ha ha ha ha
blame disney not tim, they have stakes in epic
Slop Enix
Rebirthbros... we're competing with For Honor...
People are playing BG3 on CONSOLES? Wtf
Well it's not in the list of most played games
BG3 was heavily shilled as PS5 exclusive for months.
Shame the choice to put it on PS5, actively fricked the game over with shit needing to be cut
>Dragons Dogma losing to Chinkrail
OOff
This is page 2 if some people don't understand
>selling worse than its predecessor from a year earlier
Grim
FF Tactics HDbros....the dream is dead......
Unironically worried for FFt remake, DQ3 & FF9 since they're rumored to be lower scaled
i really dont think anything called dragon quest or final fantasy got cancelled
its all the kind of games like triangle strategy, harvestella stranger of paradise 2 etc
Why do people keep blaming the PS5 for this?
As of January there are 54 million PS5s out there.
If the games were good, more of those 54 million people would have bought them. That's the catch though, they HAVE to be good.
It's cause Final Fantasy fans want to make up any excuse for why the franchise isn't doing as well as it used to.
When Square constantly puts all it's eggs into the Fino Fano basket with yearly releases and gacha, normies aren't going to pay attention when the franchise becomes nothing more than the obvious slop it's been since 11.
They'll least have contract work from Disney bail them out for a bit.
11 was good
>54 shipped accordign to sony
Yeah and no one is buying games. This isn't an issue for just square but everyone, including sony.
Why would Sony care? Subscription numbers are up, the PS5 is raking in profits and all their first-party games are actual system-sellers.
If shit-tier devs fail to compete that's not Sony's problem.
>Subscription numbers are up
They are down masively actually, only a tiny bit offset by charging whales more now.
>, the PS5 is raking in profits
Not in the real world. They have incvreasingly revenue with increasingly shrinking,razorthin profit margins. It's so bad they are 1 bomb away from collapse.
> all their first-party games are actual system-sellers.
OK so just a troll. My bad for responding in honest.
Fumbled it at the last word, but otherwise spot-on, Detective.
People forget that SE were also pretty sheepish about the episodic nature of Remake before it released. Not as tight-lipped as they were about it actually being a parallel universe sequel, but enough to still catch a bunch of people off-guard.
No one's buying a PS5 for exclusives any more. They buy it for Call Of Duty, FIFA and Fortnite. And Sony's games cost over $300 million to make and don't make any money. Even if Spider-Man 2 sells the same as the first game, it will make less money than the first game. That's an absolute disaster.
Multiple exclusives like Rebirth flopping is because Sony's doing an awful job trying to convince people to buy the exclusives instead of spending on those "Black hole" games like COD, FIFA and Fortnite. They hardly advertised Rebirth and let Square Enix shoulder all the PR for it. It is Sony's fault why it flopped.
Sony got the casual market and the casual market doesn't play anything that isn't an iterative, yearly franchise or a live service game. Sony is still doing decently despite their moronic financial decisions but 3rd parties that don't have those two types of games are fricked on that platform. JP 3rd parties, in particular, probably can't wait for the Switch 2 to release so they can drop all their failed games on it at full price.
>Sony is still doing decentl
Anon why lie? The current standin ceo itself told investors in public how fricked they are at the alst shareholder quarter report.
Sony's still making money with the PS brand; they're just making really, really shitty decisions on how to spend that money. Decisions that can't be undone for years and can eventually permanently frick over their brand forever.
Sony's new interm CEO for the Playstation brand outright said they aren't making money which is why they did sweeping cancellations, layoffs at their "Top performing" studios and a studio closure. Margins of 6% and lower on the brand are really, really bad. Those really shitty decisions happened years ago and have now appeared to permanently frick the brand.
>Jim finally fricks off
>Japanese replacement(And former boss) starts undoing the cancer immediately
Will Sony heal?
This current CEO is only temporary and SIE is still HQ'd in California, so no.
I mean.. it's entirely in his power to leave a Jap in charge of SIE
That's not how CEO selection works, you dildo.
Jim didn't do anything special really. He just continued business as usual and tried to make ps selfsustainable by moving gaas profits to their own first party instead of taxing 3rd party.
>Will Sony heal?
Too late for it. Those bloated budgets won't go away. Their first party setup has been fricked since the PS4 era and reversing course on it would just provoke a backlash from the fanboys angry that Naughty Dog has been told to make games on a budget of $50 million instead of the $220 million they blew on The Last Of Us Part 2.
Genuinely one of the only solutions might be getting rid of first party altogether if they can't make money.
Their Marvel games alone are going to keep being an issue with the insane IP licensing fees (and as long as Sony still tries to fool shareholders with profitless bundled units to bulk up raw numbers).
>70 goddamn million just to license Spidey, just for SM2
It's funny - Marvel/Disney buttfricked them with licensing royalties in a similar way to how they themselves wanted to buttfrick Nintendo with the Nintendo PlayStation.
If they undo all the cancer there would be nothing left. Playstation is just a gay tumor at this point.
so? beggars are still making money begging on a sidewalk
>doing so decent they're porting all their games to pc
>disbanded JAPAN studio
>bought bungie just to cancel other projects like last of us factions
It’s the opposite. They’re glorified Cawadoody/FIFA machines at this point for the majority of players who maybe buy one or two other games a year.
>remaster FF1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10
>they're all downgrades
>remake FF7 and split it into 3 parts
>they're downgrades
>cater to the west with Forspoken
>it's terrible
>triple down on mobile games
>they all flop and end of service
>we need more mobile games
>rape your flagship IP with XV and XVI
>decide it's time to rape DQ next but the composer and char artist died so it's already falling apart before we could get a chance to rape it
>hmm how is it that we peaked in the 90s
>frick it let's do NFTs and battle royal
>Remaking FF7 was suppose to get them out of the hole.
>It makes them go deeper
How do you frick up this badly?
A remake has to be better than the original, or else most people won't care and will stick with the OG.
Turns out it also has to be a good game.
>VII derangement syndrome
many such cases
>anime games without robust dating teenage girl
>exclusive to PS5, not even on PS4
it would've worked back on PS3
they waited too long and got too greedy with milking it
I can't say I'm a true FF7 oldgay (I first played it in the mid-00s), but I can't imagine the absolute heartbreak and betrayal a lot of them must've felt with Remake. Not only being bait-and-switch'd and having nothing but contempt explicitly expressed at people like them for wanting what was suggested on the tin and begged for for 2 decades, but also still being expected to go along with it for multiple full-priced installments. This wasn't a straw that broke the camel's back after years of wienerteasing and dancing around the issue by exploiting their love for the original game with constant cameos and several prequels/sequels. This was an anvil.
the second they announced it was episodic everyone should've stopped caring
nostalgia is a b***h though, just look at things like WoW living off it for over a decade at this point, or the state of Pokemon games and the ridiculously high sales numbers of them despite the fact
I'm an old FF7 gay, played it on release. Honestly I fricking love remake and rebirth. There's pants on head moronic shit in it but it's so fricking negligible, I really don't get why people sperg out so hard at the remakes. I'll give them the sidequests in remake one being implemented lazily, the time jannies, and Cloud/Zack sonic generations nonsense in rebirth but even then it's hardily a deal breaker.
People would have cared more about a FF7 remake a decade ago. Even then, they made the dumb decision to make it a trilogy instead of simply a normal remake.
as a wise man once said Final Fantasy 7 remake is going to END the world.... or Save IT
I lost track, what HD remasters has SE released recently?
The only way for Square-Enix to come back on top is to make sure Aerith is alive by the end of FF7 Part 3.
Everything hinges on Aerith's fate in the end. My happiness, their happiness, their bottom line. It's just that simple.
FF16 and rebirth flopped
Fiscal year 2024 started April 2023 and ended March 2024
FF16 and FF7 REBIRTH released in FY2024
So both of them flopping in fy2024 has tanked SE
the loss is for the cancelled games
its caused by ff16 flopping
>XII mediocre
>XIII mediocre
>XV shit
>XVI shit
>Rebirth shit
Doesn't matter what you think, 12-13-14-15 sold great. 16/R is when it all started to flop
XIV 1.0 put the company in the red btw
It all werked out in the end
They did a hail mary pass and it worked, and only because of decades of good will built up. Most other companies would have been destroyed or turned into a shell of their former self after such a huge disaster.
urban legend. XIV was just the first real FF flop.
SQE just pushed it out two years too early because they wanted to compete with Cataclysm.
The financial aspect was never a big issue with the XIV disaster.
>XIV was just the first real FF flop
videogame wise yeah, otherwise the movie
>The financial aspect was never a big issue with the XIV disaster.
the CEO had to step down, the producer was fired, they cancelled or delayed a bunch of games to offset the costs of XIV bombing and they eventually had to restructure the company
the main reason wasn't XIV but the whole flopped 13 universe franchise.
They used XIV as a scapegoat.
>SQE just pushed it out two years too early because they wanted to compete with Cataclysm.
A fricking disaterous decision. Honestly 1.X had a lot going for it at it's core that I like, but it had like 5 MSQ missions and 2 dungeons. It was insane how barebones it was, but expanded upon and developed, it would have been much more to my taste than ARR and certainly more than the game as it exists today.
1.x had a lot of problems that even an extra year or two would not have fixed. The biggest one was Tanaka himself.
Here's how we save Square Enix.
We convince them to make games worth buying.
I know it's near impossible, but I'm sure we can try.
We might also have to lock Nomura in the "art room". Somewhere far away from a script or a director's chair.
>remake
>remake
>remake HD
>remake HD 4K
>remake ultimate edition
>remake but a tiny piece of the story was changed
I'm tired of it. pay writers good money, so that you don't have to remake shit endlessly. also stop soiling your pant because of "le problematic themes". let the morons be offended. just make honest video games, you fricks
Game companies are more risk averse than normal these days. You won't get new original games from SE unless they are chasing trends and are certain they will succeed
increasing the pay doesn't make the writers produce better script
it's better to remake something great than to risk making something new that isn't guaranteed to be good
More like
>mobile shit
>remake
>original IP with 0 advertisement
>remake HD
>new game, old IP with 0 funding
>mobile shit
hey anon, squenixman here
I think I got what you're laying down, we need to spend two decades making a final fantasy game that will need 100 million copies sold to break even
I just want Dragon Quest Builders 3. After Dragon Quest XII I think the series is done.
they haven't made a good game since ff9
10 but close enough
>they haven't made a good game
FTFY
WHEN IS NIER 3
Nier 3 came and literally shut it's servers down a few hours ago.
when the higher ups finished convincing taro to make the main char a black gay man and the story more relatable for the american audience
How could this be....
FF7 is normalgay slop, why didn't the remake print cash? *adds Kingdom Hearts-tier shit in the scenario with the time jannies*
We had Sonic's creator make a game with us, Balan Wonderworld! *Yuji Naka has always been a hack and even went to prison, game is 2 buttons cringefest shit not even children can enjoy*
We copied Nintendo and their successful title Splatoon to make our own shooter game! *soulless cashgrab microtransactions, terrible gameplay compared to what it plagiarized*
We updated our MMO FFXIV's graphics! *Ugly ass dentures*
What happened!!!
Gee I wonder why
crimers don't belong in japanese games
I'm glad this shit flopped
I wish they'd just make a March the of the Black Queen remake. I still have the itch even after pouring 200 hours into UO.
How did they adjust to modern gayming so well compared to SE how are still stuck in their old ways?
Because Capcom likes fun.
Square likes money.
They have the rights to more successful franchises with actual fanbases
resident evil 7 and pc ports unironically saved them. meanwhile square just begs sony money for exclusivity then flops at everything else like NFT garbage
Their NFT game is actually pretty profitable.
capcom got a new CEO in 2014 who actually had a vision of what to do
people are hoping squares new CEO can do the same
They redeemed themselves
Does capcom outsource their games to pajeets?
SE makes all their games themselves though.
Provably false.
capcom games are fun. people
like to chant about capcoms “dark times”
but even then we got fun games such as dead rising resident evil 5 lost planet dragons dogma
street fighter vs tekken godhand and so on…
Yeah, the "Dark Age" that people complain about Capcom produced some of the most fun arcade style games Capcom ever put out.
It's just that people who grew up with Capcom outside of their arcade shit, wanted them to go back to their early PS1-Gamecube style games. Still wish they'd put the effort into getting Lost Planet 2 working on PC again
they have resident evil, that's literally it.
Western normalgays just can not stop buying re slop and japanese normalgays just can not stop buying monster hunter.
They were smart in building their own market. They have games in genres with almost no competition.
>Monster Hunter, literally defined its own genre and has complete monopoly over it
>Resident Evil, the only action horror series left
>Street Fighter, pretty much the only mainstream 2D fighting series (MK has its own casual audience with minimal overlapping)
>DMC5 was also the only new stylish action game at the time
>DD sells to the usual hardcore autists who will also slurp up the expansion the moment it comes out
The only time they flopped is when they tried to do 3rd person shooter GaaS with Exoprimal
These games didn't fail to sell. Fans just subverted Square Enix's expectations.
>The only time they flopped is when they tried to do 3rd person shooter GaaS with Exoprimal
Guess the drag queens didn't help after all, huh.
Again, fricking Smash Bros did it better. On hardware that's about 2 generations behind in graphical power. And as a specific detail for one fighter out of goddamn 84.
>Guess the drag queens didn't help after all, huh.
Woke shit was completely irrelevant.
It was a 60$ multiplayer-only game with limited content in a saturated genre.
Using the Regina lookalike as bait for Dino Crisis gays was also not a wise move
>Using the Regina lookalike as bait for Dino Crisis gays was also not a wise move
This, Dino crisis gays will always be pissed that Capcom baited them. They still wanted a proper third game after 20 years and still never got it
>all these replies
lmao, guess Capcom shills want you to forget about how scummy they were during the 7th gen. I guess we will suddenly forget about DD2.
>DD2
You mean the game that sold over 3 million? okay....
I thought those were flop numbers the last time I was in these threads >_>
capcom has more popular IPs. They just need not to be stupid
Square has final fantasy and it's full of Japanese moe tropes that don't translate well in the west. Who gives a shit that Who Cloud loves when the protag himself is unlikable . How does it help you attract new audiances.
I bet if they fired their ethics department the money would come back in no time.
My assumption is that SE is tanking their company so they can get Sony to buy them.
Barry won
>FF16 and 7 Rebirth caused a $140 million dollar loss because they flopped so hard
I'm in the mood to make fun of Slop Enix.
Post Slop Enix Ls
4 cosmetics? That will be 50 dollarinos pls
>implying this isn't absolute peak of interactive kinofiction compared to squares aaa offerings
balan wonderworld is a masterpiece, but you need 150 IQ to understand it
I think announcing your big game as actually being a trilogy kills people's interest in purchasing them until they are getting a complete experience.
>decide to make a movie
>nearly kills the company
>decide to make an MMO
>nearly kills the company
>should we make another good game?
>PFHAHAHA nah
So basically they're in the hole because they canceled all non AAA games. Seems incredibly moronic to do so, but hopefully it pays off
>canceled all non AAA games. Seems incredibly moronic to do so
No one was buying the ones that they did release in the past few years
Octopath and BD2 both sold over 1 mil.
All their non-AAA games are pretty much types of pic related (i guess minus the FF stuff)
so eh, not to be missed really
Because ff16 and 7 rebirth flopped they cancelled stuff
ff15 continued to sell well because its the best ff
>continued to sell
lol
it literally outpaced every ff in history
What did he mean by this?
OG FFVII and FFVI keep selling whenever they're ported
>FFVI
That's VGsales counting the snes mini as part of the sales. Which bundles a couple other games with it.
People are outraged over Stellar Blade false advertisement but half of those XV sales are based on a 100x more fricked up false advertisement marketing campaign
>game on the PS4 sells faster an entry from the PS1/PS2 era
holy shit, this is truly unheard of! I can't think of 20 other long running franchises that have done the exact same thing!
It's incredible how even the average, mouthbreathing moron from Ganker has a better grasp on the videogame industry than a square ceo.
>simping for a company that once thought releasing Final Fantasy 1.X to market after that atrocious beta test was a good idea
moron
>release games on a bunch of platforms
>ensure it has a decent pc port
>$$$$$$$
Things have started to change. They finally put someone competent as CEO.
Kiryu will save Square Enix, this cancellation is just the beginning.
This. Fricking hell SE are a moronic company.
The new CEO seems to have a better grasp of the situation, given he's only been in charge a few months and is already making significant changes like this.
I almost feel like a kid again, watching Superfriends and seeing the heroes constantly forget their incredibly obvious and useful abilities.
>Your eyes shoot lasers, fricker! LASERS!!!! MELT HIS GODDAMN HEAD OFF! ASS!!!!
Average Gankertard would make SE spend two dollars more on XIV so they can make one dollar more, because XIV is profitable
Good. That is what they deserve. Keep censuring your game little b***h
>anon trying to claim that the loss is from XVI and rebirth despite what square says
Someone is angry
Maybe they could have released it as well as FFXVI concurrently on PC instead of this special snowflake exclusivity shit and then crying about their sales when the push console only platform.
Would the additional sales end up being more than big daddy Sony's paycheck though?
FF has never really had a large pc player base outside the mmos historically, but pc gaming has been rising in recent years, so it's hard to tell.
it's over
None of this would have happened if Square didn't hold Nomura back and just let him make KH4, instead of insisting he had to make the 7 trilogy.
>None of this would have happened if Square just fired Nomura
You're right, but we can only hope that's what the future holds.
>Fire the guy who's getting Square, Disney money.
Lol. Lmao.
After KH3 I'm pretty sure KH4 is going to be a monstrous flop too.
There's the new KH movie too, NomuraGOD won
content disposal probably means they discontinued development of some titles
nothing to do with already out games
No no! It was FF16 and FF7R because... I said so! They're lying to investors!
No (You) for weak bait, Anon. Be more creative.
Aren't you the moron who tried to claim the 33m loss in 2018 was from xv even thought it was nothing to do with xv or the dlc and was just because of some low budget projects and CG production got cancelled?
What?
You already made this post
And your hypocrisy is exposed
In what way?
The loss is from cancelled games, Xbox troony.
its from ff16 and 7 rebirth flopping so hard they had to cancel stuff
SE had the chance to expand its library on Transbox and instead they shut it all down instead kek
>square enix cancels a bunch of AA games and goes all in on AAA in response
does not compute cap'n
I'm convinced Matsuda greenlit as much shit as he could before getting the boot, in order to try and sink the company, thank god Kiryu seems to be competent
Honestly remake intergrade being 80 euro fullprice for a 2 year old game on PC alone is a huge flop, let alone that the graphics probably don't make it that enjoyable to play on my high end but ancient hardware
Even being on sale for 50% it's still 40 euro. I'll probably get it once I get new hardware but SE makes baffling, tonedeaf decisions.
if you have any interest buy the remake/rebirth bundle if it ever comes out on steam, thats good value
they'll probably make it like 100~120 euro or something and not discount it for years
>a remake of an old PSX game being milked with 3 games over the span of 10 years
WHY ARE WE LOSING MONEY?
Mfw squeeeenix goes bankrupt in my lifetime
How are they selling millions but constantly losing money
>spend 200 million to earn 20 million
Someone help me budet this.
>never mention the 200 million budget
>only report the 20 million revenue
>?????
>profit?
Selling 2m after spending 5-10 years working on a game isn't going to make the math work out.
>This fricking thread
I do have to wonder why a board thats to ignorant on finances terms is so adamant i having an opinion on the financial status of a company
It clearly says thats the "loss" it's due reestructure, something that has been in line with what kyriu has been doing
It's not about rebirth or ff16 or Even flopspoken (well, maybe flopspoken did tell kyriu to stop investing in shit, sorry Barry)
>people ignore OP and rant about shit
new here?
non fanfic VII sales number btw
Realistically how would you remake FF7?
The game is just too huge to remake on modern tech. They had to split it in 3 games and thats why sales are falling. And the gap between games is like 2-3 years and people just lose interest.
Simple. I'd remake it in 2D pixelshit, same game but you now have the spin of the classic era onto it.
I'd probably not turn every 2-3 screen area into a 2 hour dungeon
>The game is just too huge to remake on modern tech
That's bullshit.
They padded the frick out of rebirth so players could sink 100+ hours into it.
FFVII is a fairly average JRPG in terms of length. The original story takes 25-30hrs on a first playthrough if you don't do the extra content.
Nobody needed midgard to be padded with fillers and last for 50hours, nobody.
I fricking remember seeing that image in the early 2000s. Frick it really is all downhill from here.
It was made in response to remake, embarrassing fricktard.
>reading comprehension
newbie
>chapter 2 and 3 for less money instead of 70$+dlc tips
Hahah
Oh man. We really didn't see shit coming.
What you're not getting is that 7 is full of many different locales and environments. They pulled it off because they just use pre-rendered backgrounds.
In a full 3D Remake you have to model every asset. And then the city of Midgar, this super dense location with unique assets, has nothing in common with a place like Nibelheim.
There's a reason the FF games dropped overworlds the same time they started moving away from pre-rendererd.
Rebirth is the first FF in a long time that actually feels fully realized.
>half of one third of a game
>"feels fully realized"
its hands down, undeniably, the best FF since 9
NTA, but the entire goddamn game is one giant seemlessly interconnected map once you get the tiny bronco boat unlock in chapter 12.
I'm a 37 year old frick and the sheer scale and awe of Rebirth legitimately parallels the sheer scale and awe of leaving Midgar in OG7 for the first time and realizing that was just one small zone in a much larger world.
That's why i'm mad they shat the bed so hard.
They could have done it again but Nomura had to be a moron
>Nomura had to be a moron
Nomura is the only one of the key 4 that wanted to keep the story as close to the original as possible. Nojima and Kitase, specifically Kitase, are the ones that wanted to add all the weird compilation shit into it and turn it into a weird meta narrative that require you to read all of Kitases shitty side novels and novellas and stories to understand what the frick is happening. Nomura wanted to expand the game (wall market is the perfect example), not change the story drastically.
He eventually greenlit the changes, unfortunately
>Rebirth is the first FF in a long time that actually feels fully realized.
Fully realized shit is still just shit, Anon.
I too remember FFX, full of prerendered backgrounds and without varied locations.
without overworld and just a hallway simulator, kek
Rebirth doesn't have those problems
>implying remake wasn't padded out hallway simulator
>implying any jrpg isn’t just hallways
Rebirth has a different problem: sucking wiener
>no overworld
Making an overworld takes like no effort at all, it would legitimately the least of their problems if they attempted again
But NO! Open world slop with grocery list sidequests, that's where its at.
I mean, that was on the PS2 and over 20yrs ago. The fact that Remake had literal jpgs for majority of the background was both pathetic yet oddly endearing.
>FFX came out 23 years ago
FF7 remake spends a lot of times close up with it's characters in a lot of close environments too, it's understandable that the game would sacrifice distant detail for local detail, to an extent it was a success, the characters in FF7 look better than they did in FF7 Advent Children.
Not true. FF12 has the most realised world, despite what you may think of the poor pacing and "boringness" of it's setting. It achieves this by doing the thing monster hunter does where the maps have traversal points which makes the locations feel larger.
12 is an exception because its Matsuno kino
I accept your concession and agree with your original point.
>get the oriignal backgrounds and upscale properly(or remake since you don't ave sourcecode)
>replace all the roblox models to look like proper low poly 3d models in the style
>make sue all the models and art is the same instead of like 5 different looks for cloud depending on context
>just make sure you don't use the low quality pc port music files
>polish up translation for obvious flaws like "Aeris"
>put on alls ystems 50 bucks
Easy 20 million.
>Easy 20 million.
>Original hasn't even sold 15 million after 25 years
/v/'s delusions are always so cute.
>don't use the low quality pc port music files
Those are the original files, just uncompressed. The PS1 version is the version that uses the low quality files.
You had to have the right sound card (Yamaha XG) in order for them to play properly, a common problem with PC games in the 80s/90s.
Huh interesting never knew. So anyway just make sure it sounds good.
>nostalgiagays want to pay 50 bux for ninostyle models and HD background mods
lol
They do.
You stylize the scale. The world doesn't need to have MMO scale. Why would it.
A world map with downscaled locations (LIKE THEY USED TO) would do the job perfectly fine. But noooo, everything has to be 1:1!
Don't try to reinvent the wheel. There is a lot you can do to expand on the game even if the gameplay remains ATB or the camera remains fixed
Update the models and give them more expressions and animations, even if the style is still "chibi" or "anime" this way you can have better looking cutscenes
Add more scenes and more character interactions. In the original most of the times only the characters in the party would speak or appear in the story (the most obvious one is Aerith's death where the only ones that care are Cloud and whoever is in the party at that moment), make it so everyone gets their chance to say something. Make Yuffie and Vincent not optional so you can have them appear when needed
Make a new translation, and add more languages too while you're at it. The original is filled with typos or non sensical parts
Less loading screens or more unified areas, but keep the world map and don't turn every original game area in a 2 hour slog
Voice acting? New bosses? Additional side quests? New dungeons? New summons? FF I to VI got them in the GBA and DS days so do something similar
Really, why do you need to turn it into whatever Remake and Rebirth are?
Imagine a FF2 Prelude style postgame for FF7 where you just solo last stand play as Aerith through a hard as frick dungeon leveling from level 1.
Nearly identical to Remake/Rebirth except scaled back about 20-30% and remove all the time janny 6D chess omni aerith omni sephiroth shit and just retell the original story with most of the expanding they're doing in Remake/Rebirth.
Remake was mediocre. I don't have a PS5, but Rebirth looks terrible. I have no intention of buying it once it comes to PC, not even at deep discount.
The third part could be cancelled for all I care. This is the worst possible way they could've done a remake.
>I don't have a PS5, but Rebirth looks terrible
Rebirth is genuinely the best FF game since OG FF7.
>but muh time jannies and muh multiverse!
completely irrelevant for about 95% of the game and then only sort of relevant for the final boss fight at which point it's no longer relevant for the next game
>but muh mini games
vast majority of which are optional and also if you're complaining about TOO MUCH OPTIONAL GOOFY SIDE CONTENT in a JRPG you should exit this mortal coil.
I don't care about the story, but I do care about the open world ubislop direction they went in and for that, I lost all interest.
oh no, not the other completely optional part of the game
you don't HAVE to go to every map marker and do all that shit, you realize that right?
some of the best content in the game is tied to doing all of it though
>>. I don't have a PS5, but
Classic Ganker tier rebirth opinion
Just make the same game with better graphics. If I had to keep random encounters i'd implement the mog clock system from xiii-2.
Not surprised. After plenty of awful decisions were made about the game namely the awful save transfer, every town being black and woke as frick, needing Chadley to do anything on an open world map, etc. on top of changes that made people on the fence already.
oh man this is just crazy
as someone who is emotionally invested in this corporation and its products this affects me deeply
my only dog in this race is Final Fantasy versus XIII and I say let the man make it, even if it turns out to be a shit game and a pain in the ass to develop (because of mismanagement)
The edgy Shakespearian/Wagnerian/mafia stuff will be refreshing to and draw in a lot of people. The style alone will mask shit gameplay and writing like it did for other Japanese games.
the ramke games are 80€ each
they expect me to play 240€ for a fricking game? frick you greeey jap israelites
GMS!
>they expect me to play 240€ for a fricking game?
Only if you must play them on the day they come out and you don't wait for sales.
If you waited, you could have gotten Remake for free when you bought Rebirth.
They'll probably do a Remake+Rebirth+3rd Game bundle when the 3rd game comes out where it's like 80$ and you're only paying 10$ for both Remake+Rebirth.
FFVII PS1 is $6.39 right now, it's more fun and complete 😀
Yeah, you can tell by all the similar replies, like...
guess they should have funneled more resources into their successful games like XIV
DQX generally outperforms XIV in japan and has historically as well but they still never released it to global.
The thing about Japanese companies is the top brass will constantly sabotage each other so only their pet project takes the spotlight regardless of the damage to the company
that's because Japan loves DQ way more than FF and the West doesn't give a frick about DQ
I guarantee that is not the reason.
They're just morons. All they have to do is make High quality 4 homie in a row games for life and they would never be in debt.
Let me tell you how I know everything about how Square Enix operates by looking at a Twitter screen cap of a single sided page in Japanese.
Once they don't stop making team asano games
Karma for treating Yoko Taro like shit.
How did they treat him like shit? Allowing him to make nier automata after decades of mediocre shit feels like preferential treatment if anything. As soon as he's ready to make nier 2 they will give him the resources.
Tarogays are like Kojimagays, except Yoko Taro has never made a good game
neither has kojima
he's made good interactive movies
Maybe if all you watched is hollywood slop.
When the PS6 comes out all 3 games will be in a bundle.
Thanks for beta testing tho.
3D was a fricking mistake for certain game companies - Square has flown too close to the sun. It's not the 90's anymore.
>It's not the 90's anymore
If only they had the talent from the 90s the games might be somewhat good.
they should've just stuck to fixed camera angles, they were handling it fine with FFX.
fixed angles will always have charm to it aswell because you can really focus on the parts you want the player to see and don't have to spend 10 years fotographing rocks to make every pebble look realistic.
or go for a more stylized approach like Kingdom Hearts (or FF9 style but the game itself is fixed camera) which also handled 3D without issue.
It wasn't the 3d that fricked them but their obsession with realistic graphics while struggling to get it done in their engines
Actually this is totally true - If they made a Pre-rendered background game again I would buy it in a heartbeat.
I feel bad for KH. The PS2 games still hold up well and from the initial KH3 reveal it looks like they were trying to retain some of that style, but I guess since they had to go more towards CGI Disney properties they had to have Sora adapt a style closer to something that matched most of the game. Top Sora looks great here but he would look out of place looking like that in a Toy Story world, so I get why he had to change.
And now that seems to happening all over again with KH4. Sora is adapting to an even more realistic style because I assume there will be a larger focus on live action properties this time around. Basically what I'm getting at is if Disney were still doing hand drawn stuff, KH might have been allowed to keep its own distinct style rather than chase realism, which is a darn shame.
KH3 (outside of a few specific areas) is genuinely one of the best looking stylized games on the market and legitimately looks like you're playing a pixar film.
True, I won't deny that. Seeing the Toy Box world for the first time sorta blew my mind. Seeing Andy's room being generated in real time on a PS4 look so close to the original film, which took hundreds of hours rendered by server farms in the 90s really puts into perspective how far along we've come.
Square is finshed
Wonder if the reason that the MMOtards get so defensive over Square Enix, is because if Square goes under, they lose all their social interaction. All while most people who enjoyed Square's old shit would happily see the company flop do to their own moronic hubris.
what are you talking about
It's one of the most effective grooming platforms online, of course they want it to stay up.
If they stopped sucking Sony's wiener then XVI and Rebirth would have done better. But nope! They just keep trying to sell JRPGs to people who only want gay shit or movies games
wow, don't be racist, don't call them JRPGs.
That talking point was so moronic. And somehow not the worst rpg talking point of the year because bg3 fanatics insisted that the entire wide genre of rpgs is actualyl shit and only playing no impact choice dress ups ex doll sims are true rpgs.
Weirdly enough, I tapped out of the compilation when First Soldier came out and wouldn't let me use my online handle that I have used for 15+ years on every big vidya forum, YouTube, etc. because it was suddenly offensive to poor people in England. I wasn't too surprised when Rebirth got woke af.
either move your games to steam, or die
the japanese market en masse has already adopted the PC, shame some studios are too fricking dumb to do so too
Just a reminder for all the gigacopers saying that the 140 Million in loses are because of the cancelled games.
They released FF16 and FFVIIp2 this fiscal year. They should be making gangbuster profits after investing for years developing both games and instead they lost money LMAO
It's a shame that 15 killed the franchise as badly as it did.
Honestly it's been all down hill since that one
You don't have a single clue on how things work, shitposter kun.
Back in the 90s I just assumed Cloud was a spikey hair'd Goku clone with a Guts sword. I hate that he is a twink homosexual femboy.
Apologise.
i hope the square higher ups get haunted by this fricker, he just whispers "you will fail" around the office
How the frick are these guys not making money? They pump out AA shit every month and sell it at AAA prices.
>spend 200 million dollars making a game
>then only sell it to 20% of the available marketshare
They straight up need to stop trying to make AAA games. I've never seen a studio not understand their audience more. Gamefreak are just lazy, not stupid - they know what their fans want they just have no incentive to do it. Square is just fricking stupid.
But how will they give sony games to fill their empty release schedule without aaa wannabe blockbusters?
"content disposal loss" is marking down losses for projects that are canceled without release. Given the CEO talking about basically shifting to more or less just "AAA" type games in the console space, I guess non-AAA stuff from the nvidia leak like the FFT remaster or ffxi remake and maybe even the dqiii 2d-hd remake are canceled now.
FF17 will be a Persona/Fire Emblem shift into teenagers and romancing/waifu shit. Worked for Unicorn Overlord.
I hope so but it'll be on the gaystation so I'll never know
>They should stop making mobile games
>They should stop releasing unfinished games that need fixes and DLCs
>They should stop remaking older games
>They should fund every single Yoko Taro idea
I fixed Squeenix.
>>They should stop making mobile games
Seriously, they tripled down on this shit and
lost money instead
>>They should fund every single Yoko Taro idea
So, more gacha?
>Yoko Taro
Yoko makes gacha though
They should stop pouring all their resources on pretty visuals and graphics and make games not movies.
They havent done a movie game in like, forever.
>They should stop making mobile games
Congrats, you just took away their biggest profit earner
I dread the day when Taro's run comes to an end with a real stinker (i'll look past his mobile grifting because he's all we got left)
Not gonna lie bros i pre ordered Rebirth and i haven't played it yet. I didn't even finish Remake.
I did finish XVI but i had to force myself to, it was the most boring game in the mainline for me and i really mean that.
I just want this series to be good so i keep trying them but man.
I did have some fun with XV but the game is shit and not Versus. Never played its DLCs.
XIV was fun for a while but is a soulless repetitive MMO that isn't even as good as early WoW.
the XIII trilogy was overall positive but the only game i liked entirely in it was XIII-2
XIII-2 was the last FF game i actually liked. Isn't that kinda sad?
Will i be cursed with shit FF games forever?
RIP IN PIECES TWEWY FRANCHISE
Wet noodle Rindou did not deserve Shoka.
They could develop a good game for once, lol. Fire those old fogies.
Well I guess Octopath Traveler 3 and Triangle Strategy 2 are cancelled so they can spend more money on FF7 Remake Part 3.
Oh no. Anyways.
As long as we get VARIOUS DAYLIFE 2 we're good
All SE had to do to make money was literally just make 1.1 ff7 remake with modern graphics and a slight flare, they would have made money forever but nooooo they had to reinvent the wheel and now the company is on the verge of bankruptcy
This guy predicted it all the way back in 2019.
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/483032018/#483032018
>October 2019
When did leaks first start surfacing about Remake's exact degree of plot moronation?
January 2020 when the demo was leaked and had contents like the ending script on it. We knew about Zack and the Whisperers back then and it was the most complained about section of the Remake pre-release for sure.
They should release their entire SNES library on steam. People would buy them.
why would they do that if they can charge 10x more for demasters
They would have to translate all the Japanese only ones and square would consider it too much work
The FF games already are
The Mana games already are
The SaGa games already are
Live-A-Live and Front Mission already are
Crono Trigger already is
So it's basically just Bahamaut Lagoon, Super Mario RPG (which just got a switch port), and games they published but didn't dev like Breath of Fire.
>tfw nobody remembers treasures of the rudras
>not even mystic quest
tbf rudras is only fan patched (but is still in the top 3 best snes games they made.)
Rudra is a fun game, but I wouldn't call it among their top 3 SNES games.
t. Beat it 3+ times.
I guess you're right, thinking about it there are much better. If they translated BoF2 actually well back in the day I wonder if it'd be more popular.
BoF2 got a retranslation, and it's still derided for the gameplay. There's a reason why most people's favorite game is either 3 or 4.
>start with dragon quarter
>like dragon quarter best because what it did was completely new for me in jrpgs
>don't give a frick about liking the 'worst' bof most
I will like Breath of Fire Dragon Quarter best forever.
Mystic Quest is in the "Collection of SaGa:Final Fantasy Legends" collection I thought.
Also yea no shit nobody remembers the game that came out like 3 years after the PS1 came out that never got a release outside of JP.
Either way, the point is the vast majority of their SNES library is already on Steam, and the handful of games that aren't on Steam aren't exactly going to sell gangbusters if they ever got a remake.
Almost none of Enix's library is on Steam.
You're forgetting all the Enix games.
>only thing square is ever gonna make is shitty aaa crap now
>no more soulful small/indie level projects
BRB killing myself because of SEs moronation
On the other hand, would mean I am finally free and can go back to not give a frick about anything square just like in 7th gen.
We fricking won FF8 bros. FF7 and FF7R sucks ass.
I get the impression the high ups don't care about money and make every decision based on ego or trying to frick over another exec.
Does this make them more or less likely to come after me for a fangame?
>se-sloppers pretending that x,y,z square product is any better than the rest
holy KEK
you Black folk will graze over se products eternally and they'll all be the same dogshit
stop making your games exclusive to playstation fricking morons
>take sony and epic's money instead of releasing on Steam on day 1 like Capcom
>everyone forgets your game exists
>company goes in the red
Good riddance.
You pretty much have to be on Switch or Steam if you want your game to sell.
finally, this moronic thread will die.
This thread may be moronic but your end will come too SE marketer. Tick tock.
Sneed Enix, why are you so dumb?
>dropped 140mill worth of dead weight
sounds like a win
Stop doing console exclusives.
palworld really was an amazing thing to witness, hope it pissed off every big dev
>have to play original game
>have to play remake
>have to play crisis core or whatever
>have to watch a fricking movie
>now you can maybe start rebirth
the barrier to entry is too high and zoomers dont care about it
Plenty of people are going into Remake without any prior knowledge of 7.
You guys drastically overestimate how much knowledge you need going into the Remake project.
People that don't have the context of the original aren't confused by the same shit that we are - the time jannies is the perfect example. For players of the OG and CC and all the compilation shit, we know the time jannies are new and are trying to figure out what the frick they're doing and how they play into the larger story.
For them, they're just one smaller part of the overall story that they're being presented with for the first time, so they take it all in stride.
We see shit like Glenn Lodbrok popping up or there being a massive Avalanche that was only hinted at in the original, or there being a full on Wutai/Shinra war, and think "well frick, this is massively different from the original, glad I have all the context for whats happening by playing Ever Crisis and Before Crisis so I know who Glenn is and I know who Sarruf is".
They see shit like Glenn Lodbrokc popping up or there being a massive Avalanche or there being a full on Wutai/Shinra war and go "neat, i wonder how they did this all in the original".
It's a COMPLETELY different experience, and to be hoenst, it's fascinating to see the two sides at completely different ends of one another.
kino kino omg kino PEAK gamin this is 10/10 omg i need to buy rebirth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
FRICK THIS PART
So glad Rebirth doesn't have anything like this.
>a part literally everyone shits on
Rebirth's lowest parts are the Shinra mansion as Cait, and the Corel Prison finding greens part. The latter is fine if you like the side content/mini games cause its some forced side content. These two parts are not as bad as Remakes
>The Drum
>Return to the Sewers
>Train Graveyard
>this stupid hand crane shit
and I also hate the Sun Lamps part and the Jessie chapter.
>is so completely mindbroken by a logical response to his bullshit claim over entry barrier that he instantly goes into shitposting mode and posts the single most complained about thing across bother Remake and Rebirth
you were better off just not responding and taking the L.
this is exactly why nu7remake cant' attract new audiences. Everyone says "It's easy to understand" then process to write 5 pages long essay that has different interpretation than previous 10 guys's before him
You didn't read my post.
Nothing in my post is even remotely trying to make sense of the story or the plot.
It's simply stating the difference in how someone familiar with OG7 and the compliation sees the story compared to someone that is playing Remake as their first FF game and has no context over the story of the original.
I hope everyone responsible for naming Various Daylife is fired. That name is just offensive to me.
>make games only available on PS
>but this isn't the fricking 90s or 2000s anymore and the audience SE wants is either on pc or switch
>lose money
>switch releases often double their ps counterparts
>even with this data continue to move faster away from making games for switch hardware
I don't understand.
Can't buy Last Remanent on steam any more. Grim. Ironic the studio's downfall begun as soon as the gooch left.
Their last CEO took advice from a fortune teller in Taiwan. He was told that the current location of the headquarters was not lucky, so he suddenly rented a new location in the "lucky" part of Tokyo and forced everyone and everything to move.
All of their leadership is like this. That's why they keep putting out shit games and NFTs.
One has to wonder how the frick is this company still alive.
Without Avengers and Forspoken, what will FF Paladins blame this time? Foamstars?
Another Xbox troony cope thread. They'd rather kill five projects and take a 22 billion yen hit than put their games on Xbox kek