Talk about double standards.
You people are mental and only think with your dick, not your brain.
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well yeah, we're men, and you will never be a women
Other way around, actually
last i heard trannies are the ones who are on 50 different pills and have a 50/50 chance of offing themselves at any given time
This was an issue of consent.
Besides, Kawacummies rule. Frick you, Black person.
Minors can't consent you moron.
define "minor"
Anyone under 10 inches of penis.
fair enough
I kneel
/ss/ looks like we're still on the menu
10 inches doesn't exist, I refuse to believe it
That's like a horse wiener
Yeah, but I can and I’m the one dictating his every action.
They can consent to a sex change though
No they can't.
"I consent"
wow that was hard
Some people think that consent = an essay on the metaphysical implications of having sex
In reality, consent = willingness to do something
A kid can consent or refuse
They can consent to go to school or eat vegetables, or refuse to (often they refuse and are forced to)
Also, if you put a naked woman on all fours in front of a dog and he fricks her, he consented
Simple as
people thinking animals can't consent when homiehs have literally died because horse got too horny for their owner and pushed them up against fences/walls
Underage B&
Minors cant consent becuase they have no agency, no matter how willing or aware they are of the sittuation, their words and wants are meaningless, the only thing that matter is what the adult does, and she comminted a crime by being a filty pedo.
this is how kids get dragged to drag queen show
Are you saying that one favor of pedo is better than the other one? UOH gays and dragqueens are the same to me, there is no difference.
The problem is pic related is "acceptable" in the public eye and people who control the media.
>cant consent becuase they have no agency, no matter how willing or aware they are of the sittuation, their words and wants are meaningless, the only thing that matter is what the adult does
You literally just described absolutely all women from age 0-130 since the dawn of time and forever in the future. Wanna try another argument? You shouldn't frick kids but this is absolutely not the reason why.
can they consent with other minors?
No
Then you've got a much more widespread problem than pedophiles
If both parties are minors then no one is committing a crime despite the absence of consent
A convenient legal fiction that enables children to explore sexuality with their peers while criminalizing predation
>If both parties are minors then no one is committing a crime despite the absence of consent
That's not true, if having sex without consent is the problem then their parents are criminals for allowing it to occur.
>A convenient legal fiction that enables children to explore sexuality with their peers while criminalizing predation
Sounds like you aren't actually bothered at all by the lack of consent. You should stop pretending that you are, then.
The concept of consent is a means to an end, not an end in itself. I'm bothered about consent as far as I need to be to protect the innocent and punish predators, and no further than that.
>The concept of consent is a means to an end, not an end in itself.
Consent enters into the pedophilia conversation as a justification for why pedophilic relationships should be banned. If you don't actually believe that non-consenting relationships should be banned, then you shouldn't pretend otherwise. Rather, you should state whatever your real reasons are.
>to protect the innocent
You're not protecting anyone by doing that on the internet, on Ganker of all places. Go outside, touch some grass and maybe you'll help someone, I doubt it though.
So you're saying a teenage boy raping a teenage girl, and even a teenage boy getting raped by another teenage boy, are all A-ok? You're fricking moronic, Black person.
good thing im not a minor and Joker isn't a character
Why are you going to high school then, you fricking moron.
the frick the teachers obviously, moron
Huge age gap and grooming, are way different.
It wasn't grooming, it was true love!!
but they're both kids
Exactly. The fat American is wrong. I guess I should've added more stink lines to drive home the fact....
She is a teenager, he is a kid.
Between each other? That's fine, but it starts being wrong when the other party is older.
See
dumb amerishart...
How does it feel to know most 12-13 years old kids are having sex nowadays?
Having been a minor who gladly would've fricked his shortstack teacher with a huge ass, I wholeheartedly disagree.
The age of consent is 16 and below in most of the world. 14 in Brazil, Italy, and China for instance. Yes, this means high school freshman can frick 40 year olds.
>Yes, this means high school freshman can frick 40 year olds.
No, I'm pretty sure that it's still illegal for anyone older than 3 years or more to engage in sexual activities with them.
Not how age of consent works. You're confusing Romeo and Juliet with the baseline age of consent.
If the age of consent is 14, that means 14 and above can frick whoever they want outside of teachers (but that depends on the location). If a 12 or 13 year old gets caught with someone 1-2 years close-in age, they're given an exemption.
So for example, if Naoto Shirogane and Tohru Adachi were to start a relationship, it'd be completely legal. Joker/Kawakami would be legal if she weren't his teacher. College teachers also cannot frick a lot of their students. In fact, thats what Kamoshida's story was based on.
That seems arbitrary. I get that the issue is the power dynamic and roles and all of that but that seems to imply that it's only an issue when someone holds a teaching position.
I'm pretty sure it applies to any actual authoritative roles as well, not just teachers, but it most often comes up with teachers and their students.
>any actual authoritative roles as well
That's even worse, because that seems to imply it's only an issue within workplaces.
16 and 17 year olds can across the developed world you dumb amerishart. Only your dumbfrick third world muttified country has an issue with it.
Lets do a quick logic test here. Its apparently ok for teens to have a food industry job where they serve food to people (huge responsibility). It's ok for for teens to operate a 2 ton hunk of metal and drive with everyone else (huge responsibility). Its also expected for teens to learn multiple abstract subjects of different focuses in school.
However, they are somehow not capable enough to stop themselves from acting on sex? Fricking really? No dude, if you can do fricking trig, you have enough cognitive ability and awareness to consent to something. Its just poor impulse control.
Actually most states in america have the consent at 17ish, contrary to the 18+ meme
Bullshit, if Kamoshida was in a consensual relationship with a female student everyone would still be b***hing about it and calling him a groomer especially if it was with that Ann bawd making all the butthurt weebs feeling like they got cucked since a party member has interest in another male besides the MC.
interesting theory
That's cool. It still isn't what happened in the game though.
You're inadvertently arguing in favor of men grooming little girls. You know that, right?
/misc/ believes that's based or whatever
Do they? Or do you? I'm not seeing /misc/ doing it, just you. Who cares what /misc/ thinks anyway? We're not on /misc/.
Ask /misc/ when women hit the wall.
/misc/ is down the hall and to the left, this is Ganker
Fake news. Remember pizzagate roastie
Remember Roy Moore?
That meme needs to read "minutes", I fricking swear
Reddit is two blocks down. Everyone loves Kamoshida here.
Most women don't age past 13 and have no sense of accountability, so having sex with them is practically statuatory rape.
Like Demi Moore?
>unironically debates the ethical implications of a fantasy wish fulfillment dating sim
>calling anyone immature
I don't want teacher (male) to rape me
I demand teacher (female) to rape me
simple as
Men and women will never be equal. Women have so many inherent advantages just from existing that it makes the game of life unfair.
should i play persona 5 royal or play through persona 5 first
And is teacher/maid route the best
play either. both games are fun action wise and storywise
Royal. It's the same game but with extra content, including story stuff that's even better than the base game.
Neither. Its good for like 10 hrs at max and that's just 1/10th of the game
Royal is better than Vanilla but it's still by far the worst game in the series. The opening literal tutorial with Kamoshida is the best and the crimes goes downhill after that.
>it's still by far the worst game in the series
Maybe if you're a moron who doesn't care about gameplay.
>plays Persona games
>cares about gameplay
Base game is cheap as hell, and has different balancing (abilities, mementos upgrades, dlc personas added in royal, so base game is arguably harder), and there's some dialogue that was censored in Royal, but there is more content in Royal.
Also some people see Kasumi as a downside shill character but I never played royal so you'll have to get an opinion from someone else.
Royal, as it's got some added stuff that I personally think makes it worth it. Royal is easy to find for like $30, base can be found for around $10.
Or if you've got a PC with anything but integrated graphics, it'll be free later this year if you're willing to pirate.
Vega 7, 8, and 11 is fairly powerful
Persona 5 r would not be that hard to run
Don't play through Royal. The extra storyline is total garbage that the writers stole wholesale from The Caligula Effect (which ironically was written by the original writer for Persona) and is shoehorned as frick.
If anything, play Persona 1 and Eternal Punishment so you can know what a good plot looks like.
Unpopular opinion, but I agree. Royal is shit.
>The Caligula Effect
Literally better than Fursona 5, I agree. The 2nd game even made the gameplay more enjoyable.
I like the ending where you murder everybody.
Lucid was a beast, I agree. A shame you can't help best autistic girl and side with her in the 2nd game though.
Explain what's wrong with double standards. If it's double, there MUST be a distinction between the two. At some point, there is a difference, that is, an INEQUALITY, otherwise, the observer applying the double standard, wouldn't be able to discriminate both to begin with, as they would be EQUAL. Doesn't it stand to reason, that if two elements are not the same (UNEQUAL) they won't be perceived the same way? Do you regard the color blue in the same manner as the color red? No, as they are not equal. Do you regard a pedophile or a murderer, as someone who hasn't had sex or murdered someone?
Persona sucks dicks and is a series for NPCs and literal bots like the creator of this thread which isn't an actual human
schizobabble
Feminine brain. Vaxxed, right?
It's called a double standard because that's an illogical expression mixing ideas and concepts that have nothing to do with each other, like socialist democracy, democratic memory, or climatic justice. Situations and objects are graded in different ways because they produce different results and experiences. It's that simple. Someone with an ego, as an observer, can discriminate by what empirical evidence he recollects. Just like the past 200 years have shown for all to see, and more so with the internet, that sucking dad's wienermilk instead of mommy's titmilk will turn someone into either a sociopath approved member of the 'elites', or a groomed pedohomosexual perpetually dependent of social media and mass media, instead of a functional person with his own independent thought patterns. Bots are very vulnerable to those expressions because they immediately resort to heuristic regurgitated, vomited conclusions, that are akin to Milgram's experiment. They obey if the person executing the command, the one saying the moronic expression, has PERCEIVED power, without running a reasoning check, no matter how stupid, illogical and nonsensical the construct is. It's no surprise that you call them extraneous, AKA, the locus of power is EXTERNAL to you, as you are desperate to pass the hot potato of judging the situation to someone else in a situation of power. You, as an inhuman being unable of thinking by himself, a weak pseudo bot, a mass-'man', simply want your dopamine hit, gangbanging your brain like a group of massive wieners did with your mother, all so you can move on to that hot next Skinner box situation and peer-approved consensus. This is why this page doesn't even bother refreshing the narratives, and they can shit the same threads for YEARS. The comfort of being one more, the cuddle of being one with the group is enough for an infra-human like you, who drowns in it as if it was the hot cum that you love
Don't say feminine, there's nothing feminine about trannies. They are obscene creatures.
Is this from new age bullshit generator?
>Feeling insecure: -> immediately produces a plea asking help to the collective
Yes, the answer expected from a poor little bot
I observe, and therefore MUST be objectively correct in my belief, that you are fricking moronic.
It's called a double standard because the differences between the two instances are extraneous, like how you as a person are extraneous to the human race.
>kamoshida
>coerces a student into fricking him
>she hates it
>kawakami
>accidentally runs into her student on her side job
>he loves it
what could the difference be
Eh this isn't laying it out honestly.
Kamoshida
>sexually abused and used students below age of consent which is 18 in Tokyo
>beat his class students bruised and broken
>egomaniac that sought out destroying the lives of others for his own benefit
Kawakami
>despondent from life never seeming to go her way despite her efforts
>has to work side job as a maid with *alleged* adult services
>she is indifferent towards her students just as much as they are indifferent towards her (until you "save" her)
>she develops an interest in you only after you hire her dozens of times with your own money to support her and act as her free therapist
>even then when she catches herself almost admitting she's fond of you, she warns you repeatedly that the age difference is weird and that the teacher/student relationship is super fricking illegal for her especially
>warns you again and should you convince her, still will not let you do anything sexo related (the original version of P5 implying sexo was honestly super risky atlus/Sega so it's probably why they got rid of it in royal)
>even after all of this she is not a bad person, in fact she's extremely supportive and doting, and I guess you could only argue she's filling a mother role but they're both happy
Compare this to the fricking hick blonde card reader that outright spills out she's into you knowing full well she's admitting to be a pedo
Context extremely matters. Nothing condones what Kawakami does if you pursue her and yet it ties into the themes of rebellion throughout P5. So they did the smart thing when they cucked you out of the version of this romance in P3.
>she's admitting to be a pedo
Why do we still call it pedophilia when all all of these girls, save Futaba, are 17/18?
The game takes place over the course of a year and Joker is 17 at the start. By the time Kawakami fricks him he's either already 18 or so close to it that it's only a legal issue and not an ethical one.
Only westcucks whine about the “pedo” aspect
It’s meant to be bad because he is abusive
>NOOOOOOO YOU NEED TO LIKE MINORS YOU FRICKING WESTKEK!
17 is not a minor
It is legal even in the usa
Only in some states.
True, in most it's 16 instead.
I need to move so I can hook up with some hot teenagers
That's even worse, what is wrong with Americans? I assume they make use of the Romeo Juliet age laws, don't they?
Bro most of the world doesn't actually have an AOC of 18 because that's moronic, for all of human history until less than 100 years ago it was expected and normal for 16 year olds to marry or even have kids.
>that's because they died and grew up much earlier
Both wrong, medieval age expectancy is heavily depressed by infant mortality, anyone who made it to maturity would also easily make it to 60+ unless they wemt to war or something.
People now also actually enter puberty earlier than they used to so that argument goes out the window too.
>Romeo Juliet age laws
yes but that only comes in to play when someone ages past 18 when they were already in a relationship with someone who hasn't turned 18 yet (or whatever your AOC is where you are)
UK AOC is also 16
it's 14 in Germany
so glad you pay attention, anon
The age 14 thing in germany is deceptive, you need the parent's permission at that age.
At 16 they can do it with whoever they want, but they need to be 18 to do porn.
irrelevant to the point since anon was incredulous about age 16
Why would 18 as an age of consent make any sense when physically and mentally there's no difference between them and a 16 year old, not to mention they're done with puberty and already thinking about getting jobs or getting licenses to drive?
Many 18 years old are moronic and act way younger than their age, what makes you think 16 years old aren't worse? 18 years olds are supposed to be ready to go into adulthood, 16 years olds are still teenagers.
18 year olds are also still teenagers in high school. You are a teenager until you are 20 years old. Teenager and adult aren't mutually exclusive terms. 16/18 is a mostly arbitrary distinction. 16 is the adult age in some countries like Scotland or Cuba. If you are old enough to drive and work full-time (16 year olds can do this), you are old enough to frick whoever you want. I don't get why this is a big divide for so many Americans.
>16 is the adult age in some countries like Scotland or Cuba
And that's why they are both shitholes.
>If you are old enough to drive and work full-time (16 year olds can do this)
Many 16 year olds can barely hold any part time jobs these days, especially this new generation. No one is ready to be responsible about jobs at that age, so let's not even start with sex.
Scotland and Cuba have good scores on the HDI scale.
And your complaint is because society raises immature morons. If they are unprepared at 16, what makes 2 more years better? Nothing. Even 25 year olds are semi-moronic now. There are plenty of 16 year olds who can function as adults and are working responsibly. You're just stuck on the 18 = magically adult thing. 18 year olds share classes with 16 year olds, dude.
>Scotland and Cuba have good scores on the HDI scale.
Doesn't mean shit when they are third world tier.
>If they are unprepared at 16, what makes 2 more years better?
2 years worth of experience and change, and I did say that even 18 years old people are barely mature in my opinion.
>Nothing. Even 25 year olds are semi-moronic now.
Even more, reason to consider 16 years olds as immature and irresponsible teenagers.
>Doesn't mean shit when they are third world tier.
Scotland is a first world country and Cuba is a very sustainably developed country. Not exactly in your favor.
>2 years worth of experience and change, and I did say that even 18 years old people are barely mature in my opinion.
2 years of what, high school? You haven't provided an argument for why 18 is any better than 16. It's what "feels right" to you, so you are inclined to defend it, even if it is ultimately arbitrary and makes little to no sense
>Even more, reason to consider 16 years olds as immature and irresponsible teenagers.
Or, why not let them actually get real world experience at an earlier age instead of adhering to an arbitrary outdated age threshold that even you think makes little to no sense despite your defenses?
>Scotland is a first world country
By grace of being part of the UK. Scotland on its own would be the equivalent of Southern Italy in terms of economic power.
>Cuba is a very sustainably developed country.
That shithole that is still stuck in the 50s? Also the same shithole that couldn't afford to have good hotels.
>2 years of what, high school?
Well a high school is supposed to shape a student for their future.
>You haven't provided an argument for why 18 is any better than 16
They are both bad, but there's a substantial difference between them.
>Or, why not let them actually get real world experience at an earlier age
Because they are still kids overall, they aren't ready to be responsible adults yet.
UK considered lowering the adult age to 16 btw.
>Well a high school is supposed to shape a student for their future.
How come most of the world 100 or so years ago didn't have high school (only colleges and primary schools) and teenagers seemed better prepared for adulthood then? You think 18 year olds now are barely mature. Maybe that's because of the advent of high school?
>They are both bad, but there's a substantial difference between them.
How? It's entirely a legal threshold, not a mental or something important threshold.
>Because they are still kids overall, they aren't ready to be responsible adults yet.
Explain how a 16 or 17 year old is a kid but an 18 year old is magically an adult without going "well it's the legal age". Also explain why 16/17 year olds were socially considered responsible adults (the same as 18/19) before the invention of high school. You are so clueless.
>How come most of the world 100 or so years ago
I don't care about the past, we might as well have been cannibal cavemen for all I care, there's a reason we evolved for the best.
>How? It's entirely a legal threshold, not a mental or something important threshold.
I already stated the reasons.
>Explain how a 16 or 17 year old is a kid but an 18 year old
The correct term would be teenager, it's the same question of why a teenager stops being an adult, 2 years are enough time to shape someone into a functional adult member of society.
>I don't care about the past, we might as well have been cannibal cavemen for all I care, there's a reason we evolved for the best.
Ah yes, the cannibal caveman of the 19th century.
Appeal to Novelty fallacy btw.
>I already stated the reasons.
No, you didn't give any actual reasons. You just stated how you felt because of what *makes sense* to you, regardless of if it's true or not.
>The correct term would be teenager, it's the same question of why a teenager stops being an adult, 2 years are enough time to shape someone into a functional adult member of society.
So by your logic, the 2 years between 14-16 could be enough to shape someone into a functional adult member of society?
You have yet to give any actual good defenses for your opinions. None of this is grounded in any actual fact or empirically true knowledge, it's an appeal to what is current. You're only defending it because it's what you're used to and anything younger is bad because (reasons).
>Appeal to Novelty fallacy btw.
You are now arguing like a redditor, and you also know what I meant, you are merely arguing in bad faith now.
>You just stated how you felt because of what *makes sense*
You clearly put words in my mouth then.
>14-16 could be enough to shape someone into a functional adult member of society?
Not one bit, because the age of 13-14 is when kids stop being kids and start developing as teenagers.
We are merely waiting for society to collapse, then you'll see who holds the advantage when people rebuild.
See, you're doing it again. You're thinking that 13-17 being 'teenager' and 18 being 'adult' is something objectively true when in most historical societies, when 18 was just another year of youth/social young adulthood. The 'teenager' stage is completely arbitrary and doesn't need to exist and didn't exist before the 20th century and everything worked fine. It used to be called 'youth'.
You're also comparing a 18 years old with a 13.
It's not LARP, everything takes time, and society will collapse one day, especially the unsustainable American way of life.
>J-JUST YOU WAIT!
You won't do shit you fricking larping "day of the rope" mutt. Maybe some of you morons will upload a manifesto on 8kun and shoot up another Walmart but that's just it.
>and that's why they are both shitholes
the shartnited states of israelitemerica is the biggest shithole by far amongst developed nations.
Still better than those shitholes. A shithole nonetheless, I agree with that, but still a better one by miles.
And the Brits.
>still better than those shitholes
Holy frick Americans actually believe this. Get off /misc/ for a day you moron. Your country is Brazil 2.0
If America lowered the adult age to 16 or the drinking age to 16, would he defend it then? 16 is a common drinking age in lots of Europe. Meanwhile his moronic shithole has 21 (LOL)
Who knows
A 16 year old can consent to sex in literally every developed country in Europe
Even ones with very low amounts of black and middle eastern immigrants (poland and the czech republic)
Americans are truly exceptional in how fricking stupid they are.
>Even ones with very low amounts of black and middle eastern immigrants (poland and the czech republic)
Nice try but they are Slavs.
so you're a moronic /misc/yp. Good to know
Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of rapefugees raping your women and getting cheered on about it.
See
Mutt rape rates are still higher than the vast majority of European nations kek. Your country is a mordor-tier hellhole with south africa-tier violent crime rates
America was always a mutt nation since the early 2000s, and we do have guns to defend ourselves. Meanwhile, you are at the mercy of your overlords dictating that you must offer your women to Jamahal and can't do shit about it.
>muh gunz
You have guns and you're not doing shit with them other than shooting up schools, theatres, malls, supermarkets, nightclubs, or concerts you cretinous shart. Your violent crime and homicide rates greatly exceed that of virtually every country in Europe. Swathes of your country are fifth-world. Your health metrics are the worst of any industrialized nation. Fricking have a nice day you muttified /misc/ mongoloid.
Sorry you'll have to speak up, the gunfire from all the children being gunned down in schools is too loud.
Yeah that's we get for selling weapons to 16 years old teenagers, further proving my point.
Nope, but Slavs are as bad. I'm pretty sure the average pollack here loves Slavs.
>Yeah that's we get for selling weapons to 16 years old teenagers, further proving my point.
The average age of a shooter in the United States is 34. Raising the age wouldn't do anything.
To be fair, in his defense, Europe has much smaller countries overall than America itself.
Yes it would, and the shooters being 34 on average is just people being frustrated at society.
>more responsible teenagers than Burgerclaps
It also has high suicide rates and many irresponsible teenagers ending up pregnant from compensated datings but let's skip those parts.
>Teen pregnancy rates in the US are higher than any developed nation.
Maybe because the age of consent is 16, further proving my point.
Many European nations also have an AoC at 16, 15, and 14 with vastly lower teen pregnancy rates. Again see
Want to try again dumbfrick?
>with vastly lower teen pregnancy rates
That's because all the illegal rapefugees are stealing your teenagers, so they don't end up in statistics.
Fricking kek he's finally broke
/misc/ has utterly rotted your brain.
>no sir we are not facing a rapefugee problem!
Seems to me that your overlords were succeful in brainwashing you to not question the state of your sorry continent.
>DUDE IT'S ALL A CONSPIRACY BY RAPEFUGEES
Heavily white eastern european nations with lower AoCs have a fraction of the rate of teen pregnancy the US does. Keep up the cope
Then why are the countries with lower age of consents much better with teen pregnancy than America?
Cope.
No, I have mostly been comparing post-pubescent teenagers with other post-pubescent teenagers. 13 is a bit of a different ballgame, mi amigo. If age of adulthood was 30, I bet you'd be sticking to that.
>Then why are the countries with lower age of consents much better with teen pregnancy than America?
Already answered that and you even addressed that.
>mi amigo
Explains your love for underage teenagers.
>Already answered that
With a total deflective non-answer?
>underage teenagers
What's better, 16/18 or 18/40?
>With a total deflective non-answer?
Just because you don't like my answer doesn't mean it is a non-answer.
>What's better, 16/18 or 18/40?
The former, obviously.
It is a non-answer because you made up an excuse on the fly instead of actually responding to the question you were given. There's no way of proving your statement, so it's not a valid answer.
You were wrong about this subject. To be fair, at least you aren't one of those people that pretends an 18 year old has the maturity and wisdom of an 80 year old elder monk, but I tihnk you're still stuck on an arbitrary threshold.
>an excuse on the fly
Or maybe you are just arguing in bad faith, thinking that I'm dishonest enough to come up with "an excuse on the fly".
>You were wrong about this subject
That's subjective.
>bad faith
Hello Vaush.
>That's subjective
Like 16 not being an adult and 18 being an adult.
16 in about 32 states, 17 in NY and Texas and Colorado.
>Hello Vaush.
Who? You seem to know more about this person than me, feel free to enlighten me.
>Like 16 not being an adult and 18 being an adult.
Only for people of questionable morals.
>questionable morals
IT LEGAL SO THAT MAKE IT OKAY/NOT OKAY
A 16 years old will never be mature, period.
According to who?
According to everyone except the predatory adults.
And by the way, Russia and most of East Europe has a high abortion rate, one of the highest.
there are plenty of adults who are less mature than 16 year olds though (see the wokeites), and it's not rape if you frick them.
People with mental issues? Well yes they are manchildren for a reason, and I do agree it's as immoral, but the blame goes on their mental illness.
It is rape, both legally and practically.
But 16 is legal in 99% of the world.
I'm Scottish, only I'm allowed to call Scotland a shithole.
That's a problem with society raising immature morons, not with age of consent.
We used to say the same thing years ago, it's more than just society.
Nothing. The 18 AoC makes no sense.
You can join the military at 17 in the US. If you commit murder you will almost always be charged as an adult. 18 is completely arbitrary.
The reality is that consensual relationships are not rarely harmful as long as they aren't abusive and consensual even if one person is under 18. A study back in the 90s (Rind et al) came to this conclusion and it made conservative Christians fricking seethe and they tried shutting it down. It was replicated in the 2000s by other researchers.
16 is the baseline for most of the world.
You're only brainwashed into thinking 18 is the accepted baseline across the world because most movies are made in California where they push the 18+ narrative and 18 is the legal age to do porn.
Well look at the state of Europe and Asia, and they advocate for such age. Irresponsible teenagers and failures whenever you look left and right.
Asia has vastly more responsible teenagers than Burgerclaps. Also America's age of consent is 16 (and they even let 14 year olds frick with a close-in age exemption), so this argument hasn't even been in your favor once.
>irresponsible
Teen pregnancy rates in the US are higher than any developed nation.
>smaller
Hence per capita.
Fun fact: Teen pregnancies, despite the age of consent being in the mid-teens in majority of the world, has actually been steadily decreasing while the age of consent stays the same.
Meant to also quote
>Well look at the state of Europe and Asia
Are you implying the state of the U.S. is any better?
So let me get this straight, I can molest underage girls if I have a sob story and I'm super nice to them?
one is a gym teacher creeping on students
one is a teenager winning a teacher's heart in an unrealistic "hot for teacher" fantasy
you can do this. you can develop nuance. I believe in you
Pedophile was never really the thing they were throwing at him. It's was rapist and abuser.
>B-b-but saki choose
Saki had an ultimatum. not a choice. Lose her career and perform social suicide in her school life as well as open her best friend up for sexual abuse or get sexually and physically abused.
Age of consent in Japan is lower than Joker's Age. As well as Joke and Kawakami both consenting to their relationship under no pretenses or abuse.
Maybe Kamoshida just sucks at fricking if it makes someone want to die.
I'm sure all those Bruises and physical trauma Saki and the other students suffered are entirely unrelated.
Kawakami isn't the same as Kamoshida, but Joker is.
>Kamoshida with a bunch of girls
Man coerces girls into sexual relationships
>Joker and Kawakami
Boy coerces woman into sexual relationship
The latter is definitely the bigger chad, though.
Ummm, you do know that she's also a maid?
nothing but shitty moron template threads all day every day for all eternity
People used to put in more effort
Trump lost.
Hahaha just imagine how fun it would be if he was a woman too!
People such self-Insertgay
Honestly if my son nailed his teacher I wouldn't be upset if he wasn't. But if my daughter got involved with a teacher I'd try to ruin his life.
Maybe that's hypocritical, but luckily I'm old enough that gender roles were still ok.
Reddit spacing homosexual. Kys. Your daughter gets railed by old men and Black folk for money daily.
It's ok little zoomer, I understand gender roles don't exist anymore, my bad if I 'triggered' you or whatever.
Cope and seethe.
It’s okay I forgive you
both are based in fiction
both should be equally as bad in real life
Kawakami is openly against it at first, and makes sure Joker consents before actually making anything official. Kamoshida literally sexually harassed girls in exchange for school cred.
>inb4 minors can't consent
He's like 17, he's not gonna gain the magical mind powers of consent in a year.
>HE WAS 17 YEARS AND 364 DAYS OLD YOU SICK FRICK
I mean you say that but your pic is exactly everything that can go wrong with teacher student relationships.
She was trying to help him though.
Welcome to the world of being a man, where sex is one of the main driving forces behind most of our actions in life.
>One physically abuses his male students, creeps on his female students and extorts them for sex by them/their friends with their prospective careers
>The other multitudinously tells you not to go after her, but you've made such a positive impact in her life and have shown her such kindness that she can't help but compromise in her principles just this once
>This fricking moronic Black person can't tell the difference
There is no hypocrisy. Men and women are different, and should be treated with different considerations in mind.
>one is a superhero
>the other services old men for money
Who am I supposed to side with here?
Why does it look like his shoes have toes? Is his outfit painted on?
No, but there is a reason for it that spoils the first boss of PQ2.
One is a violent rapist who physically abuse kids
The other one is consensual sex
Even this is a level of nuance that many on Ganker are not capable of grasping.
>knows about her sex work which would ruin her career
>uses mind-control powers to eliminate the only other party with that leverage so he alone can control her
>pressures her into a relationship despite her repeated protests
If anything, Joker is the predator here
women are essentially permachildren mentally so its not the same
so kamoshida getting his dick sucked canon or not???
>Kamoshida bad because he is a pedo!!!
>Omg yes little girls come sleep in my room hehe
Hypocrisy
Im tall and good looking enough that women blush and turn their head away while smiling when i look them in the eyes as they try to glance at me from the side.
Right. And I’m a professional supermodel. moron.
both are wrong for different reasons and kamoshida has a lot more wrong about him than what happens between kawakami and the player.
that said i still think kawakami is hot and you can't stop me from wanting to frick her
>"Your honor I object on the grounds that the prosecutor is about to suffer a mental shutdown after I- er I mean someone else kills their shadow."
its almost like society has a prejudice towards men with a guilty until innocent mentality
men are the Black folk of gender
true if you call police saying a woman hit you you're probably the one that gets arrested, favoritism in court, media constantly portraying them as evil ugly, etc
Uhmm akshually
She gives good head, he doesn't
Fake, but funny so I'll let it slide.
>Ignoring all of the other shit he did on top of his abuse of status and power.
By Allah you will taste my shoe.
Kamoshida is abusing of his authority and physical strenght to force himself onto his own students, while Kawakami ended up in a consesual relationship outside of her workplace dynamics
It's just not okay when a man uses his position as a teacher to rape and beat his students.
15 yo boys are already physically stronger than adult women and there's no risk for boys to get pregnant, plus, they fap every fricking day anyway so who gives shit
Ask yourself this question: If Kamoshida and Shiho was consensual, how many people would change their stance on him?
No one would change their stance because it's still a man that old taking advantage of a teenage girl.
Your argument is that Kawakami is okay because Joker is consenting. How is it still taking advantage then?
Because Men and Women are built differently.
Everyone ultimately agrees either explicitly or implicitly that men are the only ones with agency.
if it was consensual I would support kamoshida. All men like young girls
https://howlongtobeat.com/game?id=66630
>104 hours
I ain't playing that shit, homie.
Why do japs like the trope of women grooming their men to become their husbands at an early age?
ok cool, now go back to troonyera.
>Older man and young woman, consensual
Fine
>Older man rapes young woman
Not fine
>Older woman and young man, consensual
Fine
>Older woman rapes young man
An older woman would still need to go to great lengths to try and rape a young man. A male will always be stronger than a woman, especially a guy in his prime.
What if she's an ugly hambeast? Does it become rape then?
Oh absolutely.
I would've really liked to have a hot teenage girlfriend when I was like 9 years old.
>Ganker is so obsessed with trannies it's totally failing to defend the Kotone/Ken /ss/hotachad romance from being censored
Really shows how much this place has gone to shit...
Make him a hot male and women wouldn't care if he is a pedophile.
Legit, there is a study about that using Tinder.
>look up article
>Myer has been slammed for having impossible beauty standards for men
Holy shit, is this what 'men' have come to? Someone round up those out-of-shape homosexuals and fricking shoot them. The men are fine, the problem is the fat c**ts on top assaulting everyone's eyes.
This.
If those...Beauty...Standards for men are impossible than why do those men in picture even exist?
I don't have a problem with either to be honest.
You WILL let me frick the mommies.
You WILL let me frick the e-girls.
You WILL let all the rape victims be reraped.
You WILL accept that the Phantom Thieves know better than you.
she's asking for it
>top
>abused his unique position of power to physically and mentally abuse kids, trying coerce a girl to sex and sexually abused at least one girl who went on to attempt suicide due to trauma
>bottom
>despite being romantically attracted to the high school boy who kept pursuing her and eventually confessed his feeling she still tried to push him away once more at which point he told her he wouldn't let up and she decided to give in
Even if you've never touched grass, these are clearly completely different situations. Even from a legal perspective, only one of them used coercion and physical force.
That being said, I'm severely disappointed there's not a doujin of shiho getting raped by kamoshida with a build up of a class mate liking her and then seeing them in the act
I'd honestly agree with you if the situations were actually the same and people still reacted to the characters in this way. And considering we're talking about Personagays, they probably would.
If Kawakami, abused her position as your class teacher and threatened you with expulsion (you already have a criminal record so all she'd have to do is say you hit her or something), to abuse you and force you into a sexual relationship against your will, I still would be weirdly attracted to her, but yes, that would be fricked up IRL.
This double standard makes people achieve gold in Olympic mental gymnastics. Based fat, moronic incel weebs, lmao.
Easy.
>He's a rapist using his power dynamic to assault minors. A violation of human rights
>She forfeits her power dynamic right out of the gate, and I cannot overstate this; she does not actually pursue sex with Joker
On another note, why do incels eventually resort to going to bat for rape/forced marriage and pedophilia? I mean, I can get the logic
>All women are disgusted by your existence; you'll never have sex or be loved. So, of course, your dream girl becomes one you can prevent from realizing how disgusting you are and rejecting you.
But I want to know the logic behind the hypocrisy. The same incels who swear up and down to be nice, smart, strong, and of any value beg for powerful men to grant them the power to take away a woman or child's agency because they're too evil, stupid, weak, and worthless to do what some men they consider lesser are capable of. Why pretend to have principle or ideology when it's just about wanting social communism at the end of the day?
They just want to get laid and are willing to resort to mental gymnastics to justify their lack of worth, don't think too much about it.
>she forfeits her power dynamics
Did she quit her teaching job
She became his maid, and he could blackmail her for this. She has no leverage.
>wojakposter
>abhorrently moronic post
Name a more iconic duo.
sex with christmas cake
lonely hag... erotic
>tfw only younger by 4 years
She is not a hag to me anymore, is that good or bad?
How old are you? She's in the range of 27-33 according to an art book. Probab;y 30.
I'm 24.
>NOOOO you cannot dislike rapists and like honest teachers that's double standard!!!
Joker isn't a minor. Joker is (You). He's not an actual character, just a blank slate to project yourself onto. Different standards apply.
I don't remember 'pedophilia' being brought up in any of the Persona games. When older people hit on teenagers it seems like they get the dirty old man treatment rather than OMG SHE WAS 17 364 DAYS OLD.
The fans are hypocritical, yeah, but I imagine the game designers wouldn't be against having a female character in a romance with an older character.
isn't age of consent 16 in japan?4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M4_Ommfvv0
Shut up, homosexual.
>everyone always whines about Kawakami and never the other adult options
Because she's the one normals know more.
marriage with cake
Just like real life!
>Game literally spells out that she only does maid work and isn't very popular so she'll have to begin working for a sister company that is straight up sex work
>People still call her a prostitute
I can't tell if its speedreaders or shitposters but I'm angry nonetheless
Still a prostitute since she is considering that kind of degrading job.
men != women
it was consensual
16 isn't pedophilia you stupid fricking mutt
It isn't but the power dynamic between parties makes it questionable at best.
>comparing Kawakami with the suicide inducing and forceful sex haver Kamoshida
kys
>an american's face when you tell them 18 or 21 is completely arbitrary
Persona 3 did it better
Congratulations OP you discovered the hidden narrative.
>fempedo, 3 years grooming a kid
>only 2 months in jail
Women privilegie
https://twitter.com/BreitbartNews/status/1555610326288269312
men can't be raped, chud
I would
but, should you?
You should get 60 years
>CTRL+F Rape
>Zero ressults
The ~~*media*~~ NEVER calls a female pedo raping a boy as rape.
Can anyone explain the moronic virtue signaling around this? At 14 I was about as mature as I am as an adult, if a woman wanted to have sex with me then I don't see how it would be rape
>At 14 I was about as mature as I am as an adult
You thought you were but that wasn't the case.
>no I cant be wrong I'll tell you how you felt
Why is your ego so bloated?
Says the one that thought he was the same as a mature adult at the age of 14.
Slavs are not white and proved countless times they can't sustain an economy worth shit.
>According to (my feelings and worldview)
Ah, okay.
>slavs are not white
C
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P
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The AoC in Nazi Germany was 15.
Russia is the America of Europe. An absolute shithole.
>The AoC in Nazi Germany was 15.
Nazis were degenerates and nudists, not a good example. When I say white, I mean Anglo.
>Russia is the America of Europe. An absolute shithole.
Slavic country.
>Anglo
Age of consent is 16 there, which is what you were kvetching about in the thread.
Anglo society has been destroyed, humiliated, and disgraced over the years.
What does it speak about your worldview that historically and even in modern times, it is constantly humiliated and made a cuckold out of?
It teaches that showing kindness to other populations is going to bite you in the ass in the long run.
>Anglo
Canada, Australia, UK, and NZ all have theirs set to 16. Again, you're moronic.
>slavic country
Russia is a huge mishmash of different ethnicities like the US. Slavs may be the majority but there's a massive non-slav population as well.
>Canada
>Australia
>UK
>NZ
They also allow LGBT to molest kids, so not the best examples.
>Russia is a huge mishmash of different ethnicities
Mostly composed of Slavs, Chechens and other subhumans.
Which has nothing to do with the AoC you fricking idiot. The 18 AoC movement began in the early 20th century by Christian Feminists. If anything it was lower when society was MORE right-wing.
He's a confused /misc/tard who doesn't know his history, don't be mad at him.
>If anything it was lower when society was MORE right-wing.
Because we need more Christianity in society to teach morals.
The bible says nothing about AoC and actually depicts relationships with females under the age of 18 you mongoloid.
Different times, dark times.
You're trolling at this point, right?
No, unless you think that those times were better than the modern ones, for some unknown reason. What's next? Return to monke?
>sweetie
>:^)
So you were a troony after all, it makes sense now.
Meant to reply to this
>so angry you cant even reply to the right post
See, you just arent in control of your emotions just as I said. Your argument is destroyed because Im telling you how you actually feel, you're welcome.
Accidents happen, it doesn't necessarily mean that I'm angry, in fact, I'm not looking at this conversation as some sort of competition as some primates would.
No anon, you're angry. I know you better than you know yourself, I also know what you were like when you were 14.
>I also know what you were like when you were 14.
U-Uncle Jerry?
Hello Anon, I presume that you know to keep your mouth shut, right?
Believe it or not, that's what most people unironically think when they are posting here.
Unfortunately some people do, yes. Thats why its important to point out just how fricking absurd and egotistical it sounds
But you wanted to return to more traditional times instead of modern degeneracy, right? Well, traditional times meant 12 year old wives being married off to 40 year old pilgrims. Or 14 year olds being married off to each other. Your choice.
>But you wanted to return to more traditional times instead of modern degeneracy
Not at all, I merely want basic decency, but I guess that's too much to ask for the human race.
>basic decency
18/40 okay, 16/40 bad?
Already answered that question. They are both bad. It's the same as asking someone what's worse between shooting yourself with a glock or a beretta.
Didn't Mary give birth at around 14-16?
>Says the one that thought he was the same as a mature adult at the age of 14.
Anon Im a bit less niave and a little more jaded, and I have to worry about rent and shit. My core personality is basically the exact same. You dont get to tell me or anyone else how they fricking felt or what their experiences were. Otherwise I can just say the exact same thing about any argument you try to use and instant discredit anything you say as "you dont really feel like that".
I remember some hambeast telling another woman on twitter that they "internalized the patriarchy" because they didnt prescribe to the same radical feminist hogwash they did, basically telling them that they were too stupid to know what to think. This is what you sound like. Just fricking admit you're wrong. You dont need to be right 100% of the time, jesus christ. Let your fricking ego go. Youre the kind of person that would argue that the sky isnt blue.
No one wants to hear about your sob story. You are still talking like 14 years old so maybe, just MAYBE you were correct about your core personality not being changed, ergo, you still didn't mentally grow up after all these years.
>No one wants to hear about your sob story.
Good thing there isnt one. See you know you're wrong but dont want to face it so now you're just going to dismiss it. Admit your fricking wrong and that your arguing is flawed instead of being a twitter c**t, or else Im just going to start using your own twisted logic against you.
You say I'm arrogant but you are literally trying way too hard to make it seem like I'm in the wrong while providing nothing substantial to this discussion.
>You say I'm arrogant but you are literally trying way too hard to make it seem like I'm in the wrong while providing nothing substantial to this discussion.
You dont actually feel this way sweetie. You thought you did but that isnt the case. I know you better than you know yourself.
Looks like your argument is dismantled :^)
Maybe he is just mentally a 14 year old despite being an adult now. He said he was just as mature as he is as an adult, not that he ever actually got mature.
Good point, I almost feel bad for being rude to him since he might as well have the same mental age as one.
Yes, Eastern countries are rich.
It's not pedophilia because they never have sex, it's just wholesome, cuddly love
>He doesn't know
How hairy do you think her pussy is?
im fine with both
More importantly, where does the idea of Kawakami having a jungle originate?
I-Is this an edit? I dont remember this
"Hor-"
You really think Atlus has balls to do that? Ofcourse its an edit.
I never even understood how Kamoshida got away with it for so long. I get the faculty not giving a frick or going with it for school clout, but what about the parents? I know the whole corny fricking theme is "screw those heckin adults" but really. You mean to tell me he beats and berates these kids and not a single fricking parents even asks why their kids have bruises and bandages all over their body? Why they barely speak? Depressingly moping around for no apparent reason? It makes no sense.
Is it immoral to frick a dog if the dog wants it?
One is rape the other is seduction
Christ I would kill to do leash play with some girl in a maid outfit
>Is an actual pedophile that is attracted to in-world children
>Is attracted to a drawing
Not double standards.
Never played but did he actually rape or were they transactional encounters the girls regretted after?
1. Consent
2. Women and Men are different, so yes there is a double standard. YWNBAW
a whole lot of video game discussion in this thread.
damn you're right, better report this to the jannies so they stop it