I'm still reading Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear
https://ncode.syosetu.com/n4185ci/
Yesterday I read chapter 315, yuna fought like 100+ dog sized scorpions, they are inside the pyramid looking for the magic tablet
The comic works either way, read correct its dekinai chan having to kill her so she can't learn Japanese, read backwards dekinai chan can no longer touch her because she has learned Japanese.
I never feel like I get much of anything from listening at this point so I just read shit. I can recommend Haruki Murakami's Norweigian Wood. It's suprisingly easy to read although I'm probably missing a shitton of nuance
anki should be a side-dish, not your main course. some Black folk unironically use only anki and whatever app they get recommended on reddit and end up getting burnt out in 2 months. no wonder the "you can't learn japanese" meme was born
Speaking from experience, you start getting diminishing returns around the 1 year mark. It really does nothing to improve your vocab beyond that. Reading and listening (and talking with natives if you can) will always be better.
It doesnt take as much time as you think it does.
I look at the word, if i can recall it quickly i hit Easy/Normal, if i struggle with the reading i hit Hard, if i forgot i hit Again, and each word takes like 10 seconds to get through.
I've stopped taking Anki seriously since as i mentioned there is diminishing returns, i focus more on reading and listening
2 years ago
Anonymous
My memory must be shit I just do 10 to 30 card a day max
2 years ago
Anonymous
Everyone learns at their own pace anon. As long as you are practicing every day you'll be fine. Just don't have Anki be your only source of japanese for the day.
Start with easier things, look up words, mine your own cards. Anki is a trap. It should be a tool to supplement your learning, not a substitute for actually reading the words. There are plenty of lists of comics, books, shows, and games out there for all levels of Japanese learner. Pick something and start reading.
>taking advice from NGMIs
These threads are littered with those that burned out because of misusing Anki. Why do you think these threads are filled with so much sour grapes? And yet the meme continues.
if you're the type to burn out from something that takes less than 1 hour daily, you were ngmi in the first place.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>t. I ate shit for years and now you should too
There are plenty of people that made the mistake of using Anki for more than an hour a day. And honestly if you're using it even close to an hour a day you're wasting time you could be using actually learning. SRS is a tool, not a substitute.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I don't like anki therefore no one should use it
>How the frick am I supposed to do that if I can't understand what the frick they're saying?
Read Japanese and English versions side by side.
I did most of the Ganker translation for 5toubun no Hanayome and made sure the translation is mostly accurate and lean literal. Give that a try. The first half of the manga is good and it has furigana too.
>and lean literal
What the frick does this mean? Literal translations (i.e. let's force English to conform to Japanese's grammar) suck ass, just like rewrites. I hope you don't consider translating 自業自得 as "your reap what you sow" wrong.
I took the physical card pill, but similar principal. Frick pre-made decks, you learn so much more things you're actually using then trying to bank vocabulary in the hopes you'll remember it when it finally comes up.
Depends on the quality of the deck. Your cards will be as good as you make them.
2 years ago
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>>and lean literal >What the frick does this mean? Literal translations (i.e. let's force English to conform to Japanese's grammar) suck ass, just like rewrites. I hope you don't consider translating 自業自得 as "your reap what you sow" wrong.
It means trying to keep the tone, nuances, word choices as close to the Japanese text as possible while still making it not sound awkward in English.
5toubun no hanayome is a fun one to read if you're into how different people translate things differently. Some of the chapters have like 6 translations floating around.
2 years ago
Anonymous
2 years ago
Anonymous
OK so you are just brain damaged, got it. Sorry for wasting your time.
I built my own deck and it has 4000+ words in it. Its all about dedication, and making your own anki deck will help you way more than just grabing a pre built one.
If you cant even muster up the dedication to do that you wont learn the language, plain and simple
I'm all for starting a mining deck at some point, I just don't agree with jumping right into reading. It's rough at first, and it's rougher the less you know. I think some level of kanji foundation helps, and anki done sensibly is an easy introduction.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I agree that jumping straight into reading is not ideal. Problem is that getting to the level where you can at least start reading basic stuff like Yotsuba or games like Animal Crossing can be a really messy process, which sucks cause reading is what will drastically improve your comprehension of the language.
Study materials for the basic shit is really lacking in my opinion, there is a lot of different sources but none of them worked well for me
2 years ago
Anonymous
Early stuff is always hard, because you just don't know what you don't know. All you can do is follow someone else blindly, or try and decide for yourself what the best path is with poor understanding. I don't think there's any way to really improve the early stages, I guess you could try and write something that references Yotsuba constantly, but what if the learner doesn't like Yotsuba? What if they want to read something else?
2 years ago
Anonymous
This. Vocab learning is already a chore, but having to read material that you don't enjoy makes learning even more of a chore.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Problem is that getting to the level where you can at least start reading basic stuff like Yotsuba or games like Animal Crossing can be a really messy process, which sucks cause reading is what will drastically improve your comprehension of the language.
1500 vocab words
basic grammar
this is the key to learning any language, and the biggest filter. Reading used to be so frustrating for me until I reached this landmark. Pace yourself, never burn out, and you'll be fine.
Everything after this point is easy, fun, and intuitive.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Pace yourself, never burn out, and you'll be fine.
Im 2+ years in already and enjoying manga/games in jp, dont need the motivation boosts. Im stuck for life learning this thing. Appreciate the words of encouragement regardless
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm 10+ years in and can't read anything without a dictionary
2 years ago
Anonymous
I've coped with the fact that Jisho-kun will be with me for a long time...
I took the physical card pill, but similar principal. Frick pre-made decks, you learn so much more things you're actually using then trying to bank vocabulary in the hopes you'll remember it when it finally comes up.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>This is so boring. >Its boring and I never finished it
Noticing a trend here anon. Maybe you're one of those people who need to put in a huge amount of effort in order to read in Japanese and then you can't enjoy things because it's so stressful and slow to read through?
>Maybe you're one of those people who need to put in a huge amount of effort in order to read in Japanese and then you can't enjoy things because it's so stressful and slow to read through?
Any advice for this? I just figured I need more practice.
I much prefer learning kanji to practicing reading. I might be too used to reading quickly in English, but I'm not sure how to get over it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
My advice is that it'll take you multiple years, so just keep at it and you'll get there eventually. Thinking of all the foreigners you know that get by without perfect English and realize that if you can achieve at least that level in Japanese you'll have accomplished more than most.
Because all "Core" Anki decks are based on newspapers from early 90s and sometimes additionally sorted in a way that makes learning harder. The cards format also tends to be WCC instead of a more efficient TSC. Ankidrone Starter Pack is made from a completely different corpus, everyday words used commonly in Japan. You should use Ankidrone Starter Pack.
/jp/ schizo (or a AJATT schizo) who made the deck he is talking about, ignore him.
decks with WCC and TSC usually don't have listening inside of them which makes them dogshit.
By the time you ran out of listening decks, you should just move to japan, instead of spending the rest of your life doing anki deck review.
There is a point of diminishing returns.
I can't understand the kanji in anything that I read and it's usually impossible to look it up. I literally can't read anything in Japanese, maybe I can pick out a few words here and there.
>albeit at the expense of not paying as much attention to the kanji.
1. cover furigana with your finger as you read
2. learn to focus on the moonrunes and ignore the ruby text
[...] >turn furigana on and off
not worth the time as a feature for natives. you could tout it as an "accessibility" feature at best.
[...]
don't listen to him. anki helps set words in your mind. forget about learning to use them (nuances, varying meanings) though. >How the frick am I supposed to do that if I can't understand what the frick they're saying?
same as with any other language. pause, look up shit, take note of the words/grammar points/etc. you want, check notes again when you come across the same word later.
>same as with any other language.
Then how do I do that? I don't remember learning English and I've given up on every other language I tried to learn almost immediately.
OCR, text hookers, search by radical, handwriting input, transcribing what's said, etc. >Then how do I do that?
dictionary and grammar guide.
This kanji graded reader series is pretty damn good. Instead of anki or srs it just slowly adds shit and gets your brain to properly guess. It's i + 1 reading material. Good shit.
https://keystojapanese.com/klc-reader/
>muh i+1 meme
it's slightly more convenient. that's all.
If you can't even read basic hirakana you might want to start from there bro.
Also english subtitles, I can guarantee you most people who watch enough anime learned random vocab through osmosis and that's how you end up with weeaboos.
English subtitles are only useful if you ignore them and only use them as a last resort when you couldn't figure out what something means. And to get a hold of generic stock phrases like 上等だ, 身の程知らずな, etc.
This kanji graded reader series is pretty damn good. Instead of anki or srs it just slowly adds shit and gets your brain to properly guess. It's i + 1 reading material. Good shit.
https://keystojapanese.com/klc-reader/
>How the frick am I supposed to do that if I can't understand what the frick they're saying?
Read Japanese and English versions side by side.
I did most of the Ganker translation for 5toubun no Hanayome and made sure the translation is mostly accurate and lean literal. Give that a try. The first half of the manga is good and it has furigana too.
>So literally how the frick else am I supposed to learn vocab?
What is it with zoomer b***hes these days that you cannot accomplish anything in life anymore if it doesn't involve using a mobile app? Motherfricker get a kanji book specifically made for learner of the language geared towards teaching you kanji. Are you trying to tell me that there is no such thing in the entire English speaking world? I doubt it. And don't even start with that weird ass book where they tell you a little mnemonic story with each character but don't even teach you the readings. Study kanji like the Japanese do. pic related
t. moron pretending to be a zoomer.
I see kids being interested in physical books all the time because they're neat looking and it's something you can touch and move around and shit. Instinctively it's more attractive to them than merely seeing the same shit on a tablet they're already used to.
The information is the same. Doesn't matter where it comes from. Books are as valid as they ever were.
Stick to your completely moronic core decks then that won't get you anywhere because they simply don't teach you all the readings and meaning you need to know. That is so unbelievably moronic it defies describing. It's the exact opposite of the idiots that learn kanji on their own but refuse to study actual vacublary and words. This is just the revere where you're only doing vocabulary. Eventually you'll reach some form of proficiency but they way you're going about it is so stupidly inefficient that it's much more likely you'll just call it quits and ngmi which is like 90% of you motherfrickers. Again, mostly because you're falling for this stupid guide and heavily relying on anki - a heavily flawed learning tool.
>the readings
if you resorted to studying lists of readings in a vacuum then you've already lost. don't tell me you've learned weird readings like 労う(ねぎらう) and 労わる(いたわる) and not learned the actual words. >anki bad
it's a tool. the secret is in how you use it. like you can use a gun to hunt your next meal, or to have a nice day in the brainstem.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>don't tell me you've learned weird readings like 労う(ねぎらう) and 労わる(いたわる
No, you fricking moron. Because that reading isn't joyo. Do you know so little? When you study a new character you're supposed to memorize all of its joyo(!) readings. You know what joyo means right? It's expected of you. It's the standard you'll be measured by. It's unbelievable that one has to spell these things out for learners of the language.
>How the frick am I supposed to do that if I can't understand what the frick they're saying?
Are you moronic? Yes that's the point, you don't understand what they're saying and you're forced to learn and infer based on context.
You gotta have a foundation.
If you listen to an English sentence by some physician or whatever that uses a lot of big technical terms that you don't know you still understand WHAT he is saying.
That is learning by immersion, getting the message behind what is being said, subconsciously, over and over and over.
It worked when you were a poopy shit baby and it will work now when you're an adult.
Now, to get that foundation in Japanese you need >grammar, syntax
This really isn't difficult, I recommend Cure Dolly videos. >Hiragana and Katakana
2 weeks to get that shit hammered into your brain
That's pretty much it, at this point it just comes down to listening and reading Japanese.
This means anime with Jap audio and Jap subtitles. Listening and readin, pausing, typing the sentence up, looking at every word, Yomichan is a great extension for looking up definitions of Japanese, and keep on doing it.
Example reviews:
https://quofvnrw.wordpress.com/2018/05/05/扉の伝説-tobira-no-densetsu-review/
https://hadlerblog.wordpress.com/2017/08/27/扉の伝説-tobira-no-densetsu/
>Tobiden proved to be one of the best RPGs I’ve ever played from both a gameplay and writing perspective. There’s so much variety to the gameplay I’ve had to leave out a lot of stuff. The writing is consistently entertaining and the story is moving in ways that I could only really talk about by spoiling it, which I can’t do here. Basically, I loved Tobiden in all respects, and I hope I’ve conveyed why I like it so much and why I think it’s a good game. If you’re interested, give it a shot: it’s completely free.
But be careful, the game pushes the idea of reproductive futurism (simply put the idea that "children are our future"). Personally I'm okay with it, but it proved very controversial among "free JRPG Twitter", because many of them are trans and will never have kids, or are opposed to the futher existence of white people in general.
Dungeon Travelers, fun as hell but there's not THAT much reading so probably not what you want. So full voice visual novels, one I liked recently was Maple Colors
Or you can just apply a system to it and save yourself a lot of pain but the people here will tell you that's a "waste of time"
Mind you, by system I don't mean blindly grinding kanji with no context either
Someone once said only go up to level 10, then really incorporate vocab and grammar before moving on beyond level 10 on wanikani. it was a more condensed guide, and didn't shill anki. wish i had saved it.
Learn your radicals and then use an app or program that tests you in multi choice about their meanings and readings. Also drawing them in the correct stroke order legitimately helps but is obviously more time consuming
Reading Stein's; Gate in Japanese. Does anything ever happen? 5 chapters and they've only been faffing around Akiba and shitposting on 2chan. This is so boring.
>reward
Its boring and I never finished it though.
>This is so boring. >Its boring and I never finished it
Noticing a trend here anon. Maybe you're one of those people who need to put in a huge amount of effort in order to read in Japanese and then you can't enjoy things because it's so stressful and slow to read through?
s;g is often called an entry-level vn but it's just as likely to filter beginners as any other vn. it takes FOREVER to get interesting after the pretty cool start it has.
Professor Layton Vs Phoenix Wright is great for learning. It has furigana, so its very easy to look up words, albeit at the expense of not paying as much attention to the kanji. I'd still recommend it.
Your best bet is to use text extractor with a pop up dictionary, or chiitrans lite, or any of those so that only when you hover over a word you see the furigana/meaning
>albeit at the expense of not paying as much attention to the kanji.
1. cover furigana with your finger as you read
2. learn to focus on the moonrunes and ignore the ruby text
games really need an option to turn furigana on and off per button press during dialogue
>turn furigana on and off
not worth the time as a feature for natives. you could tout it as an "accessibility" feature at best.
So literally how the frick else am I supposed to learn vocab?
>dude just read manga watch anime
How the frick am I supposed to do that if I can't understand what the frick they're saying?
don't listen to him. anki helps set words in your mind. forget about learning to use them (nuances, varying meanings) though. >How the frick am I supposed to do that if I can't understand what the frick they're saying?
same as with any other language. pause, look up shit, take note of the words/grammar points/etc. you want, check notes again when you come across the same word later.
>not worth the time as a feature for natives.
lolwut? videogames are for teenagers, and shounen manga all uses furigana. Why tf don't games use them too?
old vidya had technical constraints (limited storage space, RAM, and/or resolution). Games meant for children feature few kanji, if they aren't kana-only outright.
I guess it could be possible for current vidya to have furigana. I mean, YKW games have it.
Get 2 or three hours of solid study in every week. I'm really enjoying the reading. I've been watching vtubers play Dragon Quest games I've already played in English.
Use Anki, just don't only use Anki. Don't drill hours of it daily, don't use it to learn new words, don't use it to substitute for actually, you know, engaging with Japanese.
Not him but I get bored playing VNs in english let alone nip, JRPGs are fun, have enough words for you to read and since stats and battle language are so repetitive you get words and phrases burnt into your brain through sheer exposure.
>can't understand someone at a store asking "Do you want a bag?" >can read the text for "hit points" and "mana points" in the game
I guess it doesn't matter if you don't live in JP but it's kinda funny.
I feel attacked by that first part, it actually happened to me while I was travelling a few years ago. Can read everything no problem but listening is a whole nother thing.
yakuza 0 and 5 are great for immersion when i was like 1 year in. i'm reading my very first vn right now, but i just can't help liking actual books more than this. in the end everything is just taste, immerse in what you like, and you're definitely gonna make it
it really is a mystery to me how japs are generally shit at english across the board it's the easiest language ever to learn, it took me about 3 years to get the whole language down, after that it was only a matter of learning new vocabulary.
it's more than likely because they learn japanglish instead of actual english >中国語はとてもシンプルなのよ
chinkaboo bros is it true?
>it really is a mystery to me how japs are generally shit at english across the board
The real answer is Japanese English education is actively designed to fail at teaching EFL much less ESL.
>Japanese can only produce a tiny amount of sounds meanwhile English pronunciation is completely fricked, with sounds that very few other languages have >grammar is completely different so you have to basically relearn how to do grammar altogether
It's not that hard to understand.
Most important part of learning is having a goal, for example, do you want to mainly READ japanese or LISTEN, or TALK?
If you want to GO to japan, your #1 priority should be talking.
If you just want anime, you can get away with just listening.
If you want hentai / video games, kanji should be a hard focus (warming: don't learn kanji's as kanji's, learn the word first, then learn the kanji, and associate the kanji with the word, you will see "kanji readings", ignore them, the only use of reading is for you to understand if the word is chinese or not, which isn't that important).
Note that kanji is not optional, you should start learning them ASAP.
-install IME to type in japanese
-install yomichan using a youtube tutorial, basically you can translate japanese in your browser without needing to copy-paste into a translator all the time (but you should double check your interpretation with a translator). Note that for yomichan, you could click on the kanji's inside the popup and you can then see the meaning of the kanji. You can also go crazy with yomichan and connect it with ANKI for customized decks, but you don't "need it" for the first year.
-You need a dedicated source for studying grammer, like cure dolly or tae kim, or maybe even genki if you want (bunpro is a paid service that can also teach grammer).
-You need an SRS deck for learning (in order of most important to least important, but depends on goal): >sentences (ideally with listening too) >vocab >kanji (go SLOW on this, do 1 kanji a day if you need to unless you already know the kanji)
Note some people can work exclusively with sentence decks, as long as you feel like you are learning keep going.
Most people use ANKI, bunpro is cool but paid.
I personally use renshuu, I have spent a year with it, I spend about 30-60 minutes a day on average (which is very bad, all my decks are stacked up), but I'm used to it. Renshuu is nice because it's sort of free. I will explain renshuu in the next post.
Renshuu is fricking shit, but I got hooked onto it because it has a fake gacha system and cute character evolution system (which sadly only has about 1 year of content unfortunately, and one character is behind a pay wall). It also works on mobile so if you ever had to be away from your computer for an extended period, renshuu has a pretty nice "hover over words for meaning", and that's something that ANKI is missing.
I should probably tell you right now that I am primarily learning how to read, and I would say that renshuu is good for reading because I love it's kanji dictionary. At first I hated it, because it just dumps 100's of words and the order is kind of annoying. But later on it I have a very efficient way of learning kanji which is instead of learning random kanji's the deck gives me, I manually add the kanji's that I want into my deck (I recommend learning random kanjis at first because every kanji from 0-200 is useful).
The decks are kind of buggy and you really need to steer your learning experience, sometimes my vocab's have words that I would never use, so I remove them, I also remove katakana words that are just english... but some katakana is not trivial but I still remove them eventually).
There is probably a bunch of other things that I hate about renshuu, and if you are into micromanaging your learning experience, renshuu is not for you, maybe bunpro is better, or maybe you can go for a purely with ANKI if you hate cloud apps / you want offline support.
Personally I don't consider myself a japanese try-hard, I don't really want to talk to japanese people, and I don't want to watch anime, I just like watching jav and reading/playing hentai.
Also the most important japanese resource: fricking google the japanese grammer question and 10 articles/forum threads will appear.
>graded readers, sometimes has listening
tadoku.org >dictionary, sometimes has example sentences
jisho.org
Also to add to renshuu:
the options it gives is multiple choice which in my opinion isn't good because it doesn't mean you have "memorized" the word, you could just use your educated guess which is bad, so press ENTER to skip the question, also I can use numbers to select the option. Only select the correct option when you can get the answer without even looking at the answers.
Also there is a sentance under the vocab answer, so when I am doing my vocab deck, I am also reading a sentance which is very important.
And for the kanji deck, you can click to show common words used with the deck (but most of the time I will scan through the kanji dictionary and check if the word is common enough to learn, because something it gives you very uncommon words, and I don't bother learning words that don't appear in my sentences and it will tell you the number of times the word appears in your sentence decks, and the green + sign will tell you that the word is queued or inside your vocab deck, but if you have multiple decks you need to expand it to see which one).
Also you don't need to finish every card in the deck, you should try to grill yourself on cards you don't memorize, but just press the "end quiz" and go to the next one and it will have all the cards you didn't complete.
Alright bros, i need your almighty help
So as you can in the pic the official translation is "wild instincts" but something doesn't make sense to me, the combined Kanjis means undoubtedly "Wild" but what about the Katana?
I can't find any confirmation anywhere that it means "Instinct"
So what's the catch here?
If you need some context, it's a spell that reveals hidden things.
Alright bros, i need your almighty help
So as you can in the pic the official translation is "wild instincts" but something doesn't make sense to me, the combined Kanjis means undoubtedly "Wild" but what about the Katana?
I can't find any confirmation anywhere that it means "Instinct"
So what's the catch here?
If you need some context, it's a spell that reveals hidden things.
Yes it make sense for it to be カン for 感 but how did the translator figure that out? is that a common thing you learn at school or something? or was it because of the context (spell that reveals hidden things) ?
>is that a common thing you learn at school or something?
You mean... that "kan" means instinct? I guess.
The context is unmistakable, when kan is used as a single noun (not as a compound) it's either sense 感, instinct 勘, vision 観 or space 間, making the meaning even more obvious.
As to why they decided to write it in katakana, in videogames they tend to replace normal words for katakana, probably for kids I guess.
Things like this confuse the hell out of me
if you use deepl or google translate to translate 野生のカン the results are lacking
But let me ask one final question, kinda dumb sometimes in some games the カ(ka) looks exactly the same as 力(chikara) so how can i tell if it is one or the other ? does it depend on the context? is there some rule that you cannot pair Kanji with Katakana?
Well that was more than one question, but i hope they make sense
>if you use deepl or google translate to translate 野生のカン the results are lacking
Well that's kinda disappointing as it seems a common enough phrase.
>But let me ask one final question, kinda dumb sometimes in some games the カ(ka) looks exactly the same as 力(chikara) so how can i tell if it is one or the other ? does it depend on the context? is there some rule that you cannot pair Kanji with Katakana? >Well that was more than one question, but i hope they make sense
I cannot come up with a situation in which you would use chikara but instead you'd put "ka" in katakana.
Throwing out this example, you're kinda right in that you have some kanji that are undistinguishable (and some of them have radicals that change depending on font) but from my experience they're not semantically close enough to make them confusing with context.
For people who have been learning a long time, do you get better at reading tiny fricking kanji the better you get? I have to zoom in like 50% more to read japanese than I do english, but I don't know if thats because my eyes are bad or just not enough experience
Dunno, I know chinese so half of my kanji journey has been on ez modo.
Also where are you seeing these tiny kanji? Even playing on the switch I can still see most words fine.
I don't mean anywhere specifically, I mean even in this thread (直すな) I can easily discern english text but even a kanji as simple as that I need to squint, anything more complicated I need to zoom in
You might just need to look at them more like the other guy said.
I don't mean anywhere specifically, I mean even in this thread (直すな) I can easily discern english text but even a kanji as simple as that I need to squint, anything more complicated I need to zoom in
Yeah, but mainly through context. Hell katakana is still an exercise in context after all these years. Don't be afraid to get a magnifying glass or up the font while learning.
Anyone getting tired of these threads? It's always the most moronic takes, the lamest excuses, buttholes being amug for no reason, intentionally spreading misinformation, etc.
Then get fricking good. You think you're the only person struggling to learn a convoluted language? The tools are there for you to use (e.g. itazuraneko guide as a starting point), and you can see plenty of answered questions. Make use of them
How self-centered can you get? I'm surprised you haven't gone blind yet seeing how myopic your opinions are are.
>It's always the most moronic takes
Which is why there's a lot of people who enter these threads just to fool around and have a laugh like morons typing in intentionally wrong jap or just fricking around with jap images.
People seriously doing advice wars and whatnot are probably(?) relatively new and haven't grown tired with the futility of it. They also lack self awareness to a ridiculous extent because they always type like self righteous gods while usually either saying some turbo dumb shit or some stuff that is personal and could or could not work for different people (yet they talk about it as the one and only true method). It's all very funny for people who stopped taking these threads seriously.
Remember to pray to the japanese god Azuna every day to get better.
I'm not getting better because I hate my mom btw it's not my fault.
Also I'm probably better than all of you lol.
Anki is bad.
Did learning japanese made you guys realize how impressive the human brain is? Just a few years ago I knew nothing but in a relatively short amount of time you suddenly read thousands of kanji with no issues. People cry this shit is impossible but they're clearly underestimating themselves.
My memory has gone to complete shit since learning Japanese so no. Initially I thought my memory was just bad specifically IN Japanese (like being unable to recall specific lines from characters, forgetting foreshadowing in plots, even forgetting character names), but it's actually affected my consumption of English media as well as my real life. I just can't remember fricking anything anymore.
Japanese is my 3rd language and I get that. I struggle sometimes to remember words in my native language and I never hsd that issue before. No regrets though
Learning a new language will always frick up your existing languages (e.g. you'll start when you want to use an expression that only exists in 1 language). It's a sad fact of life.
So Katakana is never paired with Kanji, that's something to keep in mind, thank you very much
>never
Not that anon. It's not common, but I wouldn't go as far as to say never.
>don't tell me you've learned weird readings like 労う(ねぎらう) and 労わる(いたわる
No, you fricking moron. Because that reading isn't joyo. Do you know so little? When you study a new character you're supposed to memorize all of its joyo(!) readings. You know what joyo means right? It's expected of you. It's the standard you'll be measured by. It's unbelievable that one has to spell these things out for learners of the language.
>joyo table
oh shit don't tell me you fell for the joyo meme. have fun not knowing how to read 嘘(lie), 掴む(to grasp), 嗅ぐ(to smell), 絆(bond), 噂(rumor), 鞄(bag, レジ袋, バッグ, etc.), 痙攣(seizure), 癲癇(epilepsy), 鎧(armor), 槍(spear), etc. >inb4 "muh usually written in kana"
I wouldn't fricking know those words if I hadn't encountered them myself you c**t.
>twisting the words
what a pathetic attempt at coping. the jouyou table isn't the end-be-all. I doubt you'll get much mileage out of shit like 璽 which appears on the list only because it's in the constitution.
and if your anki deck lacks a "necessary reading", you can always make a card for it with an example sentence.
2 years ago
Anonymous
oh you said, "not" reading. i know most of those words. most of them one will come across rather soon imo. you're guilty of twisting my words too though. i never said you only need to do joyo. it's the required minimum. anki core decks that get recommended here all the time don't even meet that standard.
>We should make a list of kanji for common use so we don’t go moronic like Chinese did >yea, and we should require all government documents to be only written in joyo, so it remains accessible to the citizens >What a great, reasonable idea > > >wait what about the constitution
I said get much mileage, not that they should remove it. Hell, the list never made much sense in the first place. 襲 is on the list but 龍 isn't, despite being included in the former.
These threads are always full of morons so let me get you a good advice as someone that actually managed to get proficient enough to have fluent random and long conversations with Japanese people:
No matter what method you pick, keep up with it. People were learning this language 100 years ago with infinitely worse and more time-consuming processes than you do now. Whatever you pick will work if you just keep at it, constantly, daily.
Read the picture that post is replying to. Believe in yourself!
2 years ago
Anonymous
reading is hard
so in this case katakoto means broken nip and the random katakana implies that it's spoken by a foreigner?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes that can be one way of passing the foreigner mispronunciation to the written format. It's often used tbh.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm more used to it being kana the whole way through like
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I even went to fetch a live example for you. What a good person I am.
also didn't know what katakoto meant so I learned a few things today
it really is a mystery to me how japs are generally shit at english across the board it's the easiest language ever to learn, it took me about 3 years to get the whole language down, after that it was only a matter of learning new vocabulary.
it's more than likely because they learn japanglish instead of actual english >中国語はとてもシンプルなのよ
chinkaboo bros is it true?
asian language skills don't translate well to anglos, but some of them are quite similar to each other like japanese/korean/chinese
2 years ago
Anonymous
Sometimes you only stress a few words like おいでおいで is right enough but the デス is very thick.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes that can be one way of passing the foreigner mispronunciation to the written format. It's often used tbh.
I even went to fetch a live example for you. What a good person I am.
Sorry for the moronic question, but would using deepl for sentences that I can't understand after 10 minutes of trying to decipher on my own be a good or bad idea? Happens to me often while trying to read my first VN in jap (after about a year of ankidroning like a dumbass).
Don't get used to skipping small things that you don't understand for the sake of getting through something or getting the gist. Spend the time with one of the many grammar references out there + the ai translator and try to pick apart what you weren't understanding. Some work now pays dividends later if you're serious about actually wanting to understand Japanese.
You can resort to machine translation as a last resort, but the preferred way is to dissect the sentence, look up the words and relevant grammar points, recognize expressions, proverbs, idioms, and references (if any), and work from there.
I still use deepl sometimes, it's fine.
If you have a good foundation you can immediately tell it translated something wrong and sometimes you yourself have a brainfart so you need that machine translation help
This is why grammsr study is important.
People here know the words but frick up basic grammsr so you end up saying something completely different from what you intended
>write a moronic post that is completely useless >someone makes fun of the futility of it by the use of sarcasm >w-well your post was even more useless
Making fun of moronation is never useless and it's good for the soul.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not useless. A least one person engaged it by asking for places to study grammar. Your homosexual sarcastic post was ignored by the entire rest of the people here.
post some good grammar resources
after reading Tae Kim I've come to the conclusion that I'm moronic, and will never have a full understanding of grammar, just mostly understanding the gist of things
Cure Dolly's videos helped me. I know a lot of people meme them due to the creepy look and weird pronunciation but I watched them muted with subtitles anyways so that wasn't a problem for me. Also I think they got transcribed somewhere so you don't even need to watch the videos.
Absolutely. It actually really helps because there are wayy too many similar/identical words so kanji immediately sorts it for you.
And sometimes even if you forget the reading you still understand what's wrotte because you know what the kanji stands for
I thankfully got started in the beginning of high school so I don’t have to do this shit while juggling college andアルバイト, but the thing that sucks about learning Japanese is that you kind of have to ankidrone for a while (or something similar, I use WaniKani) in order to build up a base of basic vocabulary before July can even try to read anything
The same things again and again and again. Might as well make a /ljg/ learning jap with games general on /vg/ since you are as repetitive and boring as one.
I'd recommend playing the PS/Saturn remake of New Horizon first. The spinoff is full of appearances and references to the original cast which you will appreciate a lot more if you play it first.
I haven't played the PC version but I know the duel system is different and the graphics are different than console releases. The SNES and Mega Drive games are roughly the same game with slightly different graphics and sound. The PS/Saturn games are more of a remaster of the console versions. But in the end, which version you play comes down to preference.
you will never learn the vocab you need to enjoy the game because the game probably uses anime japanese.
but for me, there is a shotacon game that i've already played in english, and I've just been replaying it over and over again and it has greatly increased my knowledge of hentai words.
Coincidentally I just learned the other day that they call middle earth 中つ国 which I already knew as a way of referring to Japan in some stories. Middle Earth confirmed as being Japan.
>It's always the most moronic takes
Which is why there's a lot of people who enter these threads just to fool around and have a laugh like morons typing in intentionally wrong jap or just fricking around with jap images.
People seriously doing advice wars and whatnot are probably(?) relatively new and haven't grown tired with the futility of it. They also lack self awareness to a ridiculous extent because they always type like self righteous gods while usually either saying some turbo dumb shit or some stuff that is personal and could or could not work for different people (yet they talk about it as the one and only true method). It's all very funny for people who stopped taking these threads seriously.
Ah yes I forgot. I'm sure they included that text for all of the children studying Japanese in Argentina that are playing the game in Japanese on their Switch. How could I be so foolish?
上手ですね is basically a statement about othering. You defy expectation because you're not ethnically Japanese, but you're not threatening because you cannot master our language. It's the verbal equivalent of a 'you tried' sticker.
When you actually manage to pierce the veil, it happens a lot less often. And even then, when it does happens, it's almost always an implicit attempt to get you to talk about how hard or impossible Japanese was to master to reassure them that their language is glorious and they Japanese people are uniquely suited for it.
Some e-celeb told people the japanese saying you're decent is actually offensive because they never say what they actually think beause the culture is to be humble akways regardless of your feelings and ever since people parrot it as if the japanese are unable to think you're actually decent
Am I? Of course some people are patronizing, but that guy did push the whole jouzu is bad so far people just parrot it without even knowing what it's a about
2 years ago
Anonymous
Black person Dogen's videos are comedy skits, it's not his fault some 80 IQ subhuman thought jouzu meant the nips were making fun of you.
E-celeb who's very good at japanese and popularized the nihong jouzu meme.
2 years ago
Anonymous
He influenced Japanese people into using the term country wide? Danm he must be good. I don't watch ecelebs so I'm out of touch with the youngsters I guess.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No you dense fricking moron. He popularized the idea that the Japanese are only being polite and say nihgono jouzu to every idiot who comes along just because he can say こんにちは in a heavy accent, when they actually don't mean it.
the readings are just the way of the dictionaries order the words used by the kanji.
you should learn 1 "important" word per reading, if the reading even has a important word, but this is only relevant for learning the kanji, you don't learn words from kanji (it's too inefficient to learn 4+ things from a card), you just learn the word and move on.
Even kun/on doesn't matter, you would know if it's on- if it's a kanji pair, most of the time.
Any other brainlets here that are learning the language? I'm 3 years in and while I can read everything I want I still have trouble remembering pronounciations and can't write for shit though I have barely tried writing so I don't care about being bad. I also hate listening practice so I can't comprehend audio that well either.
Sure. For instance my first instinct is to always read 剽軽 as ひょうけい so if I'm not paying attention when that word pops I end up getting it wrong and that happens every once in a while as an inevitability. Also some words that are rendaku'd sometimes I remember them without it and vise versa and it's usually the same ones.
>been a while since I've last tried playing anything in Japanese >have done a ton of vocab/grammar grinding since then >scared of going back to stuff I didn't understand back then out of fear of disappointment and getting discouraged all together
I played that a few years ago it has a surprisingly grim story with (actual spoiler revealed only at the end don't read if you care about it) the mother ancestor who was thought to be dead all along turned out to have been kept alive as a breeding machine as she is perpetually raped by the villain and forced to give birth to monstrosities which are the enemies you fight ingame.
>can understand the gist of most sentences when I read vns or vidya >struggle to understand random easy sentences with no context posted here
Do I need to study grammar more or will I really get better by just reading things with context
some things like よう seems to have completely different meaning based on context and how they're used I can't wrap my head around them on their own
Well I don't know then. You're asking for something specifically easy (aka for children) as opposed to just normal nihongo so most games I think of that fit that description like say, pokemon, yokai watch are not fully voiced. DQ11 was the only one I could think of with potential full voices.
That's where context comes in. Bridge and chopsticks might sound identical but context tells you they're probably not asking you to pass a bridge. Also there's inflection in the same way you differentiate perfect as an adjective or a verb.
Tldr git gud
That's just true. There are countless homophones and it is because Japanese words in general aren't as phonetically unique and recognizable as many other languages. Mainly because the kana are surch large building blocks that can't be broken down to more granular sounds like the latin alphabet. Your brain will get better at dealing with this over time but it remains a fact. Look at these sentences:
あばら家だなんて。 - 6 out of 8 mora are straight out of the A-row and they're all in a chain
未だ部屋が暖まらない。- 10 out of 12 mora are from the A-row, it's crazy.
It's also the reason why there is such a big difference in Japanese between written and spoken language styles, as the written words tend to be a lot less phonetically unique with tons of homophones. Stuff often becomes only reliably legible when you see it written on paper and can read the characters in grasp their meaning quickly. Spoken Japanese gravitates are lot more towards the at least somewhat more recognizable and also more commonly used words. And the percentage of truly original Japanese words increases with this. Less on-yomi compounds and more kun-yomi readinds.
Never played that but as someone who actually has played a MMO in the JP servers while actually interacting with them a lot I imagine it's more or less similar to the experience I had. Not specifically the forum sections but I mean more like how that game supposedly emulates a jap mmo experience. From what I hear anyway.
Yeah. The world feels pretty lived in. The desktop sections basically let you explore the world lore in the form of forum discussions and news articles. Pretty neat actually
That's just true. There are countless homophones and it is because Japanese words in general aren't as phonetically unique and recognizable as many other languages. Mainly because the kana are surch large building blocks that can't be broken down to more granular sounds like the latin alphabet. Your brain will get better at dealing with this over time but it remains a fact. Look at these sentences:
あばら家だなんて。 - 6 out of 8 mora are straight out of the A-row and they're all in a chain
未だ部屋が暖まらない。- 10 out of 12 mora are from the A-row, it's crazy.
Unless you're really really into japanese media or you want a job where you would benefit from knowing the language, there are much more useful languages you can learn.
>muh utility argument
Learn what you enjoy learning for your own edification. If you are trying to learn a language purely for a job, hope you think the struggle is worth it in the end.
>If you are trying to learn a language purely for a job, hope you think the struggle is worth it in the end.
That is an excellent reason to learn Japanese though, especially if you're in the business world. It would open a lot of opportunities for you.
>people who can't even pass N5 trying to give advice like they're fluent speakers
lol will never stop being funny seeing the laughably bad advice they keep giving and watch dumbasses lap it up because they don't know any better
Uma Musume Pretty Derby.
Is this game free/libre? If not, you shouldn't play it if you want to have freedom.
https://www.gnu.org/proprietary
https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-games.html
I'm playing a gacha game what makes you think I care about freedom?
>linking the proprietary software article
>not the who does that server really serve one
homosexual.
>game
>Aston Ma-chan
Cute pun
I'm still reading Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear
https://ncode.syosetu.com/n4185ci/
Yesterday I read chapter 315, yuna fought like 100+ dog sized scorpions, they are inside the pyramid looking for the magic tablet
Ace Attorney even tho anime logic
>cheek wart
Why do asiatics find this attractive?
Rance games. Play 3 remake along with 9 and X if you want japanese practice.
The other major games like 6/sengoku/quest are translated, but I'd recommend playing them in japanese if you can.
Huh? She changed her mind? Don't get it.
Dumb mutt, google how mangas should be read
gottem
The comic works either way, read correct its dekinai chan having to kill her so she can't learn Japanese, read backwards dekinai chan can no longer touch her because she has learned Japanese.
Anki is a meme and literally the reason you're ngmi.
I dropped anki 8 months ago, been readin and watching kakusuke on youtube and still feel like im ngmi
I never feel like I get much of anything from listening at this point so I just read shit. I can recommend Haruki Murakami's Norweigian Wood. It's suprisingly easy to read although I'm probably missing a shitton of nuance
>perverts commiting sudoku
I'd rather read generic isekai, I don't want to face reality
anki should be a side-dish, not your main course. some Black folk unironically use only anki and whatever app they get recommended on reddit and end up getting burnt out in 2 months. no wonder the "you can't learn japanese" meme was born
Speaking from experience, you start getting diminishing returns around the 1 year mark. It really does nothing to improve your vocab beyond that. Reading and listening (and talking with natives if you can) will always be better.
How the frick do you memorize 100 cards in a day
i think that tracker shows the wrong amount
after i slowed down and stopped adding as many cards i've only really been doing 60 a day on average
Still how the frick do you do 60 cards a day, how many hours do you do?
It doesnt take as much time as you think it does.
I look at the word, if i can recall it quickly i hit Easy/Normal, if i struggle with the reading i hit Hard, if i forgot i hit Again, and each word takes like 10 seconds to get through.
I've stopped taking Anki seriously since as i mentioned there is diminishing returns, i focus more on reading and listening
My memory must be shit I just do 10 to 30 card a day max
Everyone learns at their own pace anon. As long as you are practicing every day you'll be fine. Just don't have Anki be your only source of japanese for the day.
Thank you brother
So literally how the frick else am I supposed to learn vocab?
>dude just read manga watch anime
How the frick am I supposed to do that if I can't understand what the frick they're saying?
Start with easier things, look up words, mine your own cards. Anki is a trap. It should be a tool to supplement your learning, not a substitute for actually reading the words. There are plenty of lists of comics, books, shows, and games out there for all levels of Japanese learner. Pick something and start reading.
Sounds like a great way to quit. There's nothing wrong with a basic deck like core 2k to get started.
>taking advice from NGMIs
These threads are littered with those that burned out because of misusing Anki. Why do you think these threads are filled with so much sour grapes? And yet the meme continues.
Shut up moron.
t. Over 600k reviews and counting.
Do you have literally any reading comprehension, or are you just this much of an idiot in real life?
if you're the type to burn out from something that takes less than 1 hour daily, you were ngmi in the first place.
>t. I ate shit for years and now you should too
There are plenty of people that made the mistake of using Anki for more than an hour a day. And honestly if you're using it even close to an hour a day you're wasting time you could be using actually learning. SRS is a tool, not a substitute.
>I don't like anki therefore no one should use it
>and lean literal
What the frick does this mean? Literal translations (i.e. let's force English to conform to Japanese's grammar) suck ass, just like rewrites. I hope you don't consider translating 自業自得 as "your reap what you sow" wrong.
Depends on the quality of the deck. Your cards will be as good as you make them.
>>and lean literal
>What the frick does this mean? Literal translations (i.e. let's force English to conform to Japanese's grammar) suck ass, just like rewrites. I hope you don't consider translating 自業自得 as "your reap what you sow" wrong.
It means trying to keep the tone, nuances, word choices as close to the Japanese text as possible while still making it not sound awkward in English.
5toubun no hanayome is a fun one to read if you're into how different people translate things differently. Some of the chapters have like 6 translations floating around.
OK so you are just brain damaged, got it. Sorry for wasting your time.
I built my own deck and it has 4000+ words in it. Its all about dedication, and making your own anki deck will help you way more than just grabing a pre built one.
If you cant even muster up the dedication to do that you wont learn the language, plain and simple
I'm all for starting a mining deck at some point, I just don't agree with jumping right into reading. It's rough at first, and it's rougher the less you know. I think some level of kanji foundation helps, and anki done sensibly is an easy introduction.
I agree that jumping straight into reading is not ideal. Problem is that getting to the level where you can at least start reading basic stuff like Yotsuba or games like Animal Crossing can be a really messy process, which sucks cause reading is what will drastically improve your comprehension of the language.
Study materials for the basic shit is really lacking in my opinion, there is a lot of different sources but none of them worked well for me
Early stuff is always hard, because you just don't know what you don't know. All you can do is follow someone else blindly, or try and decide for yourself what the best path is with poor understanding. I don't think there's any way to really improve the early stages, I guess you could try and write something that references Yotsuba constantly, but what if the learner doesn't like Yotsuba? What if they want to read something else?
This. Vocab learning is already a chore, but having to read material that you don't enjoy makes learning even more of a chore.
>Problem is that getting to the level where you can at least start reading basic stuff like Yotsuba or games like Animal Crossing can be a really messy process, which sucks cause reading is what will drastically improve your comprehension of the language.
1500 vocab words
basic grammar
this is the key to learning any language, and the biggest filter. Reading used to be so frustrating for me until I reached this landmark. Pace yourself, never burn out, and you'll be fine.
Everything after this point is easy, fun, and intuitive.
>Pace yourself, never burn out, and you'll be fine.
Im 2+ years in already and enjoying manga/games in jp, dont need the motivation boosts. Im stuck for life learning this thing. Appreciate the words of encouragement regardless
I'm 10+ years in and can't read anything without a dictionary
I've coped with the fact that Jisho-kun will be with me for a long time...
I took the physical card pill, but similar principal. Frick pre-made decks, you learn so much more things you're actually using then trying to bank vocabulary in the hopes you'll remember it when it finally comes up.
>Maybe you're one of those people who need to put in a huge amount of effort in order to read in Japanese and then you can't enjoy things because it's so stressful and slow to read through?
Any advice for this? I just figured I need more practice.
I much prefer learning kanji to practicing reading. I might be too used to reading quickly in English, but I'm not sure how to get over it.
My advice is that it'll take you multiple years, so just keep at it and you'll get there eventually. Thinking of all the foreigners you know that get by without perfect English and realize that if you can achieve at least that level in Japanese you'll have accomplished more than most.
Because all "Core" Anki decks are based on newspapers from early 90s and sometimes additionally sorted in a way that makes learning harder. The cards format also tends to be WCC instead of a more efficient TSC. Ankidrone Starter Pack is made from a completely different corpus, everyday words used commonly in Japan. You should use Ankidrone Starter Pack.
That's not true is it? They're only ordered based on newspaper frequency?
if you order shit, shit comes out anyway. so you need a completely different deck.
>WCC instead of a more efficient TSC
what
/jp/ schizo (or a AJATT schizo) who made the deck he is talking about, ignore him.
decks with WCC and TSC usually don't have listening inside of them which makes them dogshit.
By the time you ran out of listening decks, you should just move to japan, instead of spending the rest of your life doing anki deck review.
There is a point of diminishing returns.
I can't understand the kanji in anything that I read and it's usually impossible to look it up. I literally can't read anything in Japanese, maybe I can pick out a few words here and there.
>same as with any other language.
Then how do I do that? I don't remember learning English and I've given up on every other language I tried to learn almost immediately.
There are plenty of things with furigana on the kanji to help you. There are many fun children's manga where everything is easily looked up.
>it's usually impossible to look it up
Jisho.org
If you are reading physical the use one of those weird apps but that'll be slow
OCR, text hookers, search by radical, handwriting input, transcribing what's said, etc.
>Then how do I do that?
dictionary and grammar guide.
>muh i+1 meme
it's slightly more convenient. that's all.
460 days if reading material is 460 days of reading material so I'll take it.
Are you unaware of pop up dictionaries?
If you can't even read basic hirakana you might want to start from there bro.
Also english subtitles, I can guarantee you most people who watch enough anime learned random vocab through osmosis and that's how you end up with weeaboos.
English subtitles are only useful if you ignore them and only use them as a last resort when you couldn't figure out what something means. And to get a hold of generic stock phrases like 上等だ, 身の程知らずな, etc.
watching anime with english subtitles didn't teach me much. just the really basic stuff everyone knows.
this moron's been spamming his stupidity in /djt/ for a while now. Anki or vocab lists both work fine
This kanji graded reader series is pretty damn good. Instead of anki or srs it just slowly adds shit and gets your brain to properly guess. It's i + 1 reading material. Good shit.
https://keystojapanese.com/klc-reader/
>How the frick am I supposed to do that if I can't understand what the frick they're saying?
Read Japanese and English versions side by side.
I did most of the Ganker translation for 5toubun no Hanayome and made sure the translation is mostly accurate and lean literal. Give that a try. The first half of the manga is good and it has furigana too.
>So literally how the frick else am I supposed to learn vocab?
What is it with zoomer b***hes these days that you cannot accomplish anything in life anymore if it doesn't involve using a mobile app? Motherfricker get a kanji book specifically made for learner of the language geared towards teaching you kanji. Are you trying to tell me that there is no such thing in the entire English speaking world? I doubt it. And don't even start with that weird ass book where they tell you a little mnemonic story with each character but don't even teach you the readings. Study kanji like the Japanese do. pic related
>books
lol grandpa go back to sleep
t. moron pretending to be a zoomer.
I see kids being interested in physical books all the time because they're neat looking and it's something you can touch and move around and shit. Instinctively it's more attractive to them than merely seeing the same shit on a tablet they're already used to.
The information is the same. Doesn't matter where it comes from. Books are as valid as they ever were.
Stick to your completely moronic core decks then that won't get you anywhere because they simply don't teach you all the readings and meaning you need to know. That is so unbelievably moronic it defies describing. It's the exact opposite of the idiots that learn kanji on their own but refuse to study actual vacublary and words. This is just the revere where you're only doing vocabulary. Eventually you'll reach some form of proficiency but they way you're going about it is so stupidly inefficient that it's much more likely you'll just call it quits and ngmi which is like 90% of you motherfrickers. Again, mostly because you're falling for this stupid guide and heavily relying on anki - a heavily flawed learning tool.
>the readings
if you resorted to studying lists of readings in a vacuum then you've already lost. don't tell me you've learned weird readings like 労う(ねぎらう) and 労わる(いたわる) and not learned the actual words.
>anki bad
it's a tool. the secret is in how you use it. like you can use a gun to hunt your next meal, or to have a nice day in the brainstem.
>don't tell me you've learned weird readings like 労う(ねぎらう) and 労わる(いたわる
No, you fricking moron. Because that reading isn't joyo. Do you know so little? When you study a new character you're supposed to memorize all of its joyo(!) readings. You know what joyo means right? It's expected of you. It's the standard you'll be measured by. It's unbelievable that one has to spell these things out for learners of the language.
>How the frick am I supposed to do that if I can't understand what the frick they're saying?
Are you moronic? Yes that's the point, you don't understand what they're saying and you're forced to learn and infer based on context.
You gotta have a foundation.
If you listen to an English sentence by some physician or whatever that uses a lot of big technical terms that you don't know you still understand WHAT he is saying.
That is learning by immersion, getting the message behind what is being said, subconsciously, over and over and over.
It worked when you were a poopy shit baby and it will work now when you're an adult.
Now, to get that foundation in Japanese you need
>grammar, syntax
This really isn't difficult, I recommend Cure Dolly videos.
>Hiragana and Katakana
2 weeks to get that shit hammered into your brain
That's pretty much it, at this point it just comes down to listening and reading Japanese.
This means anime with Jap audio and Jap subtitles. Listening and readin, pausing, typing the sentence up, looking at every word, Yomichan is a great extension for looking up definitions of Japanese, and keep on doing it.
super robot wars
You can get all the games you'll ever need from freem(dot)ne(dot)jp
Japs upload all their rpg maker games and the likes there
>(dot)
Why does Ganker filter that site?
Maybe it doesn't, just in case
https://www.freem.ne.jp/
wasn't on the whitelist
>https://www.freem.ne.jp/
Any recommendations?
Not really, they're all ok but not memorable, last one I played was mirai kagami, but dropped it after a while.
the classic
This masterpiece
https://www.freem.ne.jp/win/game/29229
扉の伝説 (Tobiden)
Example reviews:
https://quofvnrw.wordpress.com/2018/05/05/扉の伝説-tobira-no-densetsu-review/
https://hadlerblog.wordpress.com/2017/08/27/扉の伝説-tobira-no-densetsu/
>Tobiden proved to be one of the best RPGs I’ve ever played from both a gameplay and writing perspective. There’s so much variety to the gameplay I’ve had to leave out a lot of stuff. The writing is consistently entertaining and the story is moving in ways that I could only really talk about by spoiling it, which I can’t do here. Basically, I loved Tobiden in all respects, and I hope I’ve conveyed why I like it so much and why I think it’s a good game. If you’re interested, give it a shot: it’s completely free.
But be careful, the game pushes the idea of reproductive futurism (simply put the idea that "children are our future"). Personally I'm okay with it, but it proved very controversial among "free JRPG Twitter", because many of them are trans and will never have kids, or are opposed to the futher existence of white people in general.
I played that up until the "now there's a time limit to restore the museum" or whatever, miss me with that shit. It was fun until then tho.
the limit is fricking huge, it's impossible to pass unless you're moronic
>Tobiden
It's a frickin meme game
Dungeon Travelers, fun as hell but there's not THAT much reading so probably not what you want. So full voice visual novels, one I liked recently was Maple Colors
this one is funky
/win/game/15682
Rance series. Not hard, but not baby easy either. Perfect for intermediate learners.
just quit before it's too late
Here you go, N5 newbies, an easy novel just for you.
I can pretty much follow the story but what does やった means in this context?
did
killed
it's 殺った
How the frick do I learn kanji
Read https://tatsumoto.neocities.org/blog/learning-kanji.html
you shouldn't "learn" kanji, just learn each word as it's own thing, like you would any other language.
What if I learn Romaji first?
I don't know what you mean. romaji is just the english alphabet
Yes, I meant learning japanese written in phonetic
Don't even start with that. Just learn the Kana and Kanji.
yeah it's not worth it, just learn hiragana and katakana, it's not hard
you read until your eyes bleed and your brain learns that the only way to stop the pain is to recognize the squiggles as soon as possible
Or you can just apply a system to it and save yourself a lot of pain but the people here will tell you that's a "waste of time"
Mind you, by system I don't mean blindly grinding kanji with no context either
you mean anki like so?
>jisho screenshots in anki cards
are you a serial killer?
maybe
Grind premade deck / make your own from immersion. It's literally that simple
wanikani
Someone once said only go up to level 10, then really incorporate vocab and grammar before moving on beyond level 10 on wanikani. it was a more condensed guide, and didn't shill anki. wish i had saved it.
Learn your radicals and then use an app or program that tests you in multi choice about their meanings and readings. Also drawing them in the correct stroke order legitimately helps but is obviously more time consuming
十三機兵防衛圏
But only play it after you know Japanese. It would be a waste to use it as a learning game. Make it your reward for having learned.
Reading Stein's; Gate in Japanese. Does anything ever happen? 5 chapters and they've only been faffing around Akiba and shitposting on 2chan. This is so boring.
>reward
Its boring and I never finished it though.
NTA but 13 is the opposite of boring. It's pure soul.
>This is so boring.
>Its boring and I never finished it
Noticing a trend here anon. Maybe you're one of those people who need to put in a huge amount of effort in order to read in Japanese and then you can't enjoy things because it's so stressful and slow to read through?
NTA but Steins gate is really fricking boring in the beginning. Supposedly it gets better but it made me drop it.
s;g is often called an entry-level vn but it's just as likely to filter beginners as any other vn. it takes FOREVER to get interesting after the pretty cool start it has.
Depends entirely on what I'm reading. Besides, your theory doesn't really apply to 13 Sentinels and SG because it's mostly voiced.
Professor Layton Vs Phoenix Wright is great for learning. It has furigana, so its very easy to look up words, albeit at the expense of not paying as much attention to the kanji. I'd still recommend it.
Even though I know "未来" I can't help but take a peek at the furigana despite not needing it.
I wonder how japs learn to ignore that shit.
games really need an option to turn furigana on and off per button press during dialogue
damn, i remember there was one game that let you only see furigana if you tap on a word in the text box but i dont remember its name
Your best bet is to use text extractor with a pop up dictionary, or chiitrans lite, or any of those so that only when you hover over a word you see the furigana/meaning
>albeit at the expense of not paying as much attention to the kanji.
1. cover furigana with your finger as you read
2. learn to focus on the moonrunes and ignore the ruby text
>turn furigana on and off
not worth the time as a feature for natives. you could tout it as an "accessibility" feature at best.
don't listen to him. anki helps set words in your mind. forget about learning to use them (nuances, varying meanings) though.
>How the frick am I supposed to do that if I can't understand what the frick they're saying?
same as with any other language. pause, look up shit, take note of the words/grammar points/etc. you want, check notes again when you come across the same word later.
>not worth the time as a feature for natives.
lolwut? videogames are for teenagers, and shounen manga all uses furigana. Why tf don't games use them too?
old vidya had technical constraints (limited storage space, RAM, and/or resolution). Games meant for children feature few kanji, if they aren't kana-only outright.
I guess it could be possible for current vidya to have furigana. I mean, YKW games have it.
I like dragon quest, most of them have furigana.
dragon's dogma
all the trauma center games
muramasa vanillaware
muramasa vn
Dark Souls 1
Dark Souls 2
Dark Souls 3
Bloodborne
Sekiro
Elden Ring
Not much text and voice acting is in english
Nethergate/Avernum/Geneforge japanese versions when?
Are Zelda games easy Japanese?
OOT on the 3DS has furigana i believe
Yes, very easy. Very little reading and furigana on every game made after the N64 era. Definitely made with children in mind.
Any easy to understand but fun games besides Pokemon?
Ehh, I mostly play Vns and Magireco for the japsnese grind tbh
Get 2 or three hours of solid study in every week. I'm really enjoying the reading. I've been watching vtubers play Dragon Quest games I've already played in English.
* Every day
I've also been watching that dumbell show while working out.
I had a hatred for those but they actually seem pretty good for learning
>vtubers playing DQ
any good ones?
https://www.youtube.com/c/Kakusuke/playlists
Okayu speaks pretty clearly and reads the dialog out loud.
Play 1+2. They don't have that many kanji, and all relevant commands are in kana.
RUINA廃都の物語
It's even free.
Is the /jp/ guide a troll? You're not supposed to use Anki?
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/guide.html
frick off shill
>no you must use this guide with a donate button
frick off
your guide is literally a patreon scam.
Use Anki, just don't only use Anki. Don't drill hours of it daily, don't use it to learn new words, don't use it to substitute for actually, you know, engaging with Japanese.
it's advised to use anki
Tantei Jinguuji Saburou, hardboiled detective noir series. Super chill, super comfy
These threads will never not be shitty. Stop talking about japanese and talk about video games for once.
I hate video games.
>/vt/rannies
Odin Sphere
you should play one of them gaems that are like text only instead of fooling yourself with shit that is like 90% gameplay and only 10% reading
Thank goodness for Yakuza
Not him but I get bored playing VNs in english let alone nip, JRPGs are fun, have enough words for you to read and since stats and battle language are so repetitive you get words and phrases burnt into your brain through sheer exposure.
>can't understand someone at a store asking "Do you want a bag?"
>can read the text for "hit points" and "mana points" in the game
I guess it doesn't matter if you don't live in JP but it's kinda funny.
>can read the text for "hit points" and "mana points" in the game
Whoa
I feel attacked by that first part, it actually happened to me while I was travelling a few years ago. Can read everything no problem but listening is a whole nother thing.
it should be a graduation requirement for one to read all uta games in japanese
a mark that one is no longer a dekinai
How are these?
Beyond masterpiece and i am not joking at all, from gameplay to characters to story is freaking good
if you like JRPGs you will love it no doubt
Based as frick keep up the good work
Did I go too far in gathering every single Eushully game + all their updates and appends + all available extra content like artbooks?
now make a torrent so I can leech it and never seed myself
if you're using anki then ditch it.
>Fate CCC was 100% translated months ago
>still in editing phase
Uh, It will probably be faster to leadn japanese isnt it
yakuza 0 and 5 are great for immersion when i was like 1 year in. i'm reading my very first vn right now, but i just can't help liking actual books more than this. in the end everything is just taste, immerse in what you like, and you're definitely gonna make it
>in the end everything is just taste
Thank you water is wet poster.
i'm not wrong though
>i'm not wrong though
What part of "water is wet" gave you the impression that something was wrong? Shit dude are you ok?
Just a friendly reminder:
If you're reading stuff fairly regularly, you should try to move to a 和和辞典 as quickly as possible.
prove her wrong: protip you dekinai
it really is a mystery to me how japs are generally shit at english across the board it's the easiest language ever to learn, it took me about 3 years to get the whole language down, after that it was only a matter of learning new vocabulary.
it's more than likely because they learn japanglish instead of actual english
>中国語はとてもシンプルなのよ
chinkaboo bros is it true?
>it really is a mystery to me how japs are generally shit at english across the board
The real answer is Japanese English education is actively designed to fail at teaching EFL much less ESL.
I also don't know english, so i can see why they have trouble.
>I am a english native
I imagine Japan treats English classes like how Canada treats compulsory Canadian French courses, with tremendous resentment and indifference
中国語は日本語とか他の言語に比べて文法は簡単なもの、単語数が多くて、声調、成語などの難関がある。中国語も日本語も勉強しているものとして、中国語のほうが難しいと断言できる。ちなみに韓国語も日本語よりむずかしい。
>Japanese can only produce a tiny amount of sounds meanwhile English pronunciation is completely fricked, with sounds that very few other languages have
>grammar is completely different so you have to basically relearn how to do grammar altogether
It's not that hard to understand.
vn name?
something about the pastries club
found it
Anata ni Koi Suru Ren'ai Recette
you're welcome
>be n2
>read 元気 as motoki
ngmi
Imagine malding over kotowaza
Anon are you a schizo? Where did that idea come from? I wish I had voices in my head.
real talk: why are these losers using 「喰う」instead of 「食う」?
ググってみ
translate it weebs
basically 喰う's got a more boorish sort of 感じ
try googling
that'll be 30000 yen + tip
there is a fork and a spoon
食う= casually eating, enjoying a meal
喰う= eating for the sake of living
Basically humans do the former and animals the latter
Speak for yourself
>ググってみ
Come on now, you should pick up the readings and even now how to read things you never seen before
It's alright just keep 真面目
I'll do my best to keep on shinmenmoku.
>Today, anon wasn't a homosexual and was a pretty cool guy.
Final Fantasy VII
I can read hiragana and katakana but know nothing else
Where do I go from here
heisig
pick up vocab and learn grammar
>Where do I go from here
I hear Australia is great this time of the year.
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/guide.html
You get filtered and give up.
https://keystojapanese.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/How-to-Study-KLC-2020-09-14.pdf
Learn some basic grammar and then you can basically read anything if you use yomichan plugin and open everything with your web browser
Most important part of learning is having a goal, for example, do you want to mainly READ japanese or LISTEN, or TALK?
If you want to GO to japan, your #1 priority should be talking.
If you just want anime, you can get away with just listening.
If you want hentai / video games, kanji should be a hard focus (warming: don't learn kanji's as kanji's, learn the word first, then learn the kanji, and associate the kanji with the word, you will see "kanji readings", ignore them, the only use of reading is for you to understand if the word is chinese or not, which isn't that important).
Note that kanji is not optional, you should start learning them ASAP.
-install IME to type in japanese
-install yomichan using a youtube tutorial, basically you can translate japanese in your browser without needing to copy-paste into a translator all the time (but you should double check your interpretation with a translator). Note that for yomichan, you could click on the kanji's inside the popup and you can then see the meaning of the kanji. You can also go crazy with yomichan and connect it with ANKI for customized decks, but you don't "need it" for the first year.
-You need a dedicated source for studying grammer, like cure dolly or tae kim, or maybe even genki if you want (bunpro is a paid service that can also teach grammer).
-You need an SRS deck for learning (in order of most important to least important, but depends on goal):
>sentences (ideally with listening too)
>vocab
>kanji (go SLOW on this, do 1 kanji a day if you need to unless you already know the kanji)
Note some people can work exclusively with sentence decks, as long as you feel like you are learning keep going.
Most people use ANKI, bunpro is cool but paid.
I personally use renshuu, I have spent a year with it, I spend about 30-60 minutes a day on average (which is very bad, all my decks are stacked up), but I'm used to it. Renshuu is nice because it's sort of free. I will explain renshuu in the next post.
Renshuu is fricking shit, but I got hooked onto it because it has a fake gacha system and cute character evolution system (which sadly only has about 1 year of content unfortunately, and one character is behind a pay wall). It also works on mobile so if you ever had to be away from your computer for an extended period, renshuu has a pretty nice "hover over words for meaning", and that's something that ANKI is missing.
I should probably tell you right now that I am primarily learning how to read, and I would say that renshuu is good for reading because I love it's kanji dictionary. At first I hated it, because it just dumps 100's of words and the order is kind of annoying. But later on it I have a very efficient way of learning kanji which is instead of learning random kanji's the deck gives me, I manually add the kanji's that I want into my deck (I recommend learning random kanjis at first because every kanji from 0-200 is useful).
The decks are kind of buggy and you really need to steer your learning experience, sometimes my vocab's have words that I would never use, so I remove them, I also remove katakana words that are just english... but some katakana is not trivial but I still remove them eventually).
There is probably a bunch of other things that I hate about renshuu, and if you are into micromanaging your learning experience, renshuu is not for you, maybe bunpro is better, or maybe you can go for a purely with ANKI if you hate cloud apps / you want offline support.
Personally I don't consider myself a japanese try-hard, I don't really want to talk to japanese people, and I don't want to watch anime, I just like watching jav and reading/playing hentai.
Also the most important japanese resource: fricking google the japanese grammer question and 10 articles/forum threads will appear.
>graded readers, sometimes has listening
tadoku.org
>dictionary, sometimes has example sentences
jisho.org
Also to add to renshuu:
the options it gives is multiple choice which in my opinion isn't good because it doesn't mean you have "memorized" the word, you could just use your educated guess which is bad, so press ENTER to skip the question, also I can use numbers to select the option. Only select the correct option when you can get the answer without even looking at the answers.
Also there is a sentance under the vocab answer, so when I am doing my vocab deck, I am also reading a sentance which is very important.
And for the kanji deck, you can click to show common words used with the deck (but most of the time I will scan through the kanji dictionary and check if the word is common enough to learn, because something it gives you very uncommon words, and I don't bother learning words that don't appear in my sentences and it will tell you the number of times the word appears in your sentence decks, and the green + sign will tell you that the word is queued or inside your vocab deck, but if you have multiple decks you need to expand it to see which one).
Also you don't need to finish every card in the deck, you should try to grill yourself on cards you don't memorize, but just press the "end quiz" and go to the next one and it will have all the cards you didn't complete.
read the djt guide, https://tatsumoto.neocities.org/
Frick off shill
猫いらず
Alright bros, i need your almighty help
So as you can in the pic the official translation is "wild instincts" but something doesn't make sense to me, the combined Kanjis means undoubtedly "Wild" but what about the Katana?
I can't find any confirmation anywhere that it means "Instinct"
So what's the catch here?
If you need some context, it's a spell that reveals hidden things.
You should be able to read this.
That's chinese, nigero
It's not
No
勘
カン for 感, which can be used as "sense", for instance like in 六感. Or, obviously, what you just posted.
Yes it make sense for it to be カン for 感 but how did the translator figure that out? is that a common thing you learn at school or something? or was it because of the context (spell that reveals hidden things) ?
>is that a common thing you learn at school or something?
You mean... that "kan" means instinct? I guess.
The context is unmistakable, when kan is used as a single noun (not as a compound) it's either sense 感, instinct 勘, vision 観 or space 間, making the meaning even more obvious.
As to why they decided to write it in katakana, in videogames they tend to replace normal words for katakana, probably for kids I guess.
Things like this confuse the hell out of me
if you use deepl or google translate to translate 野生のカン the results are lacking
But let me ask one final question, kinda dumb sometimes in some games the カ(ka) looks exactly the same as 力(chikara) so how can i tell if it is one or the other ? does it depend on the context? is there some rule that you cannot pair Kanji with Katakana?
Well that was more than one question, but i hope they make sense
Is it surrounded by katakana? It's katakana
Is it surrounded by hiragana/kanji? it's kanji
So Katakana is never paired with Kanji, that's something to keep in mind, thank you very much
>if you use deepl or google translate to translate 野生のカン the results are lacking
Well that's kinda disappointing as it seems a common enough phrase.
>But let me ask one final question, kinda dumb sometimes in some games the カ(ka) looks exactly the same as 力(chikara) so how can i tell if it is one or the other ? does it depend on the context? is there some rule that you cannot pair Kanji with Katakana?
>Well that was more than one question, but i hope they make sense
I cannot come up with a situation in which you would use chikara but instead you'd put "ka" in katakana.
Throwing out this example, you're kinda right in that you have some kanji that are undistinguishable (and some of them have radicals that change depending on font) but from my experience they're not semantically close enough to make them confusing with context.
Got it, i guess some things will come naturally as the experience and knowledge keeps growing
because what else can it be, einstein? wild can? wild feelings? wild government service?
how do i stop forgetting which is which between ウ and ワ
i dont know bro Im still confused about V and U, and S and 5, and H and N, and 1, i and l
I don't know bro I just know it because that's the way it is
>she actually cucks him
Good show.
日本語出来る俺が日本語出来ないの馬鹿で話すない
話せない*
直すな
>俺
Im personally a boku chad
>で話すない
you fricking moron
日本語でok
>出来ないの馬鹿
This isn't chink. That's not how you form relative clauses.
Anon that post is full of baits from start to finish.
For people who have been learning a long time, do you get better at reading tiny fricking kanji the better you get? I have to zoom in like 50% more to read japanese than I do english, but I don't know if thats because my eyes are bad or just not enough experience
It's more than you don't even need to read the kanji, by context and overall shape/complexity you get the word.
Dunno, I know chinese so half of my kanji journey has been on ez modo.
Also where are you seeing these tiny kanji? Even playing on the switch I can still see most words fine.
which chinese? taiwanese? mandarin? those other unpronounceable ones?
>taiwanese? mandarin
Nobody tell him
Mandarin, but I also know the taiwan dialect.
You might just need to look at them more like the other guy said.
I don't mean anywhere specifically, I mean even in this thread (直すな) I can easily discern english text but even a kanji as simple as that I need to squint, anything more complicated I need to zoom in
Yeah, but mainly through context. Hell katakana is still an exercise in context after all these years. Don't be afraid to get a magnifying glass or up the font while learning.
Anyone getting tired of these threads? It's always the most moronic takes, the lamest excuses, buttholes being amug for no reason, intentionally spreading misinformation, etc.
>buttholes being amug for no reason
>reason immediately precedes said phrase
the lack of self-awareness is astounding
You don't have to be a massive fricking homosexual just because you see a moron who sabotages himself.
Then get fricking good. You think you're the only person struggling to learn a convoluted language? The tools are there for you to use (e.g. itazuraneko guide as a starting point), and you can see plenty of answered questions. Make use of them
How self-centered can you get? I'm surprised you haven't gone blind yet seeing how myopic your opinions are are.
Bro are we even in the same conversation I just said these threads are not fun anymore. I already know japanese.
>It's always the most moronic takes
Which is why there's a lot of people who enter these threads just to fool around and have a laugh like morons typing in intentionally wrong jap or just fricking around with jap images.
People seriously doing advice wars and whatnot are probably(?) relatively new and haven't grown tired with the futility of it. They also lack self awareness to a ridiculous extent because they always type like self righteous gods while usually either saying some turbo dumb shit or some stuff that is personal and could or could not work for different people (yet they talk about it as the one and only true method). It's all very funny for people who stopped taking these threads seriously.
>tfw don't know what that kanji is but can infer from the context that she's saying 良かった
wtfwt
にぱ~
It looks like she's strapless
Remember to pray to the japanese god Azuna every day to get better.
I'm not getting better because I hate my mom btw it's not my fault.
Also I'm probably better than all of you lol.
Anki is bad.
>most sane /djt/ poster.
NOO I DONT WANNA DO MY REPS AAAAAAAHH
Did learning japanese made you guys realize how impressive the human brain is? Just a few years ago I knew nothing but in a relatively short amount of time you suddenly read thousands of kanji with no issues. People cry this shit is impossible but they're clearly underestimating themselves.
>with no issues
havent gotten there yet
My memory has gone to complete shit since learning Japanese so no. Initially I thought my memory was just bad specifically IN Japanese (like being unable to recall specific lines from characters, forgetting foreshadowing in plots, even forgetting character names), but it's actually affected my consumption of English media as well as my real life. I just can't remember fricking anything anymore.
Japanese is my 3rd language and I get that. I struggle sometimes to remember words in my native language and I never hsd that issue before. No regrets though
Learning a new language will always frick up your existing languages (e.g. you'll start when you want to use an expression that only exists in 1 language). It's a sad fact of life.
>never
Not that anon. It's not common, but I wouldn't go as far as to say never.
>joyo table
oh shit don't tell me you fell for the joyo meme. have fun not knowing how to read 嘘(lie), 掴む(to grasp), 嗅ぐ(to smell), 絆(bond), 噂(rumor), 鞄(bag, レジ袋, バッグ, etc.), 痙攣(seizure), 癲癇(epilepsy), 鎧(armor), 槍(spear), etc.
>inb4 "muh usually written in kana"
I wouldn't fricking know those words if I hadn't encountered them myself you c**t.
>trying to become proficient
>don't tell me you know how to read these words
do you realize how moronic you sound right now?
>twisting the words
what a pathetic attempt at coping. the jouyou table isn't the end-be-all. I doubt you'll get much mileage out of shit like 璽 which appears on the list only because it's in the constitution.
and if your anki deck lacks a "necessary reading", you can always make a card for it with an example sentence.
oh you said, "not" reading. i know most of those words. most of them one will come across rather soon imo. you're guilty of twisting my words too though. i never said you only need to do joyo. it's the required minimum. anki core decks that get recommended here all the time don't even meet that standard.
>We should make a list of kanji for common use so we don’t go moronic like Chinese did
>yea, and we should require all government documents to be only written in joyo, so it remains accessible to the citizens
>What a great, reasonable idea
>
>
>wait what about the constitution
I said get much mileage, not that they should remove it. Hell, the list never made much sense in the first place. 襲 is on the list but 龍 isn't, despite being included in the former.
oh no, 50 words i'll have to learn independently, the horror
These threads are always full of morons so let me get you a good advice as someone that actually managed to get proficient enough to have fluent random and long conversations with Japanese people:
No matter what method you pick, keep up with it. People were learning this language 100 years ago with infinitely worse and more time-consuming processes than you do now. Whatever you pick will work if you just keep at it, constantly, daily.
arigatou, sensei-san.. hontouni chishiki na hito ni gozaimasu
貴様
Can I just watch a lot of raw anime and learn by immersion?
Only one way to find out.
No, but that won't stop you now will it?
Not only you can, but that's also the most efficient method to learn a language, but only if it's comprehensible.
Yes, but that will stop you now won't it?
Nope. It's a cope by people too lazy to properly study.
You only passively improve by immersing when you already know a fair amount of the language.
If you do 10,000 hours perhaps
at one hour a day that's 27 years?
But at 16 hours a day that's not even two years
but 27 hours a day that's only 1 year!
It helps pick up a ton of common words but you won't get any sort of complex or even common vocab used outside of animu so not really. But it helps.
Only way to learn japanese, prove me wrong
protip: you cant
Missing RTK. Enjoy being an illiterate babby.
Kinosei is pretty kino
花子ちゃんお菓子は好きデスカ?
僕の家はお菓子がイッパイデス
ママにはもう許可もらってるデス
おいでおいで!
自殺する
Don't do it anon there is always a way
I think you meant to say 自殺して unless you want to have a nice day lmao
ごめんにゃさい
分かればいいにゃん
首をヤレェクソガッキ
Is 自殺なさい alao correct?
しなさい
Add し after 殺 although that sounds less rough to me at least. ーなさい makes me think of a mother urging her child to do something
why are half the sentences in kana?
Why do you think famalino?
uhhhhhhhhh to be funny?
Read the picture that post is replying to. Believe in yourself!
reading is hard
so in this case katakoto means broken nip and the random katakana implies that it's spoken by a foreigner?
Yes that can be one way of passing the foreigner mispronunciation to the written format. It's often used tbh.
I'm more used to it being kana the whole way through like
also didn't know what katakoto meant so I learned a few things today
asian language skills don't translate well to anglos, but some of them are quite similar to each other like japanese/korean/chinese
Sometimes you only stress a few words like おいでおいで is right enough but the デス is very thick.
I even went to fetch a live example for you. What a good person I am.
What does any of what you posted have to do with my image?
Let me just get through my core 30,000 words in Anki and then I'll start reading.
No one does that. Anki haters make up stupid scenarios to dismiss the app.
Just replace 30,000 with Core2k and it happens all the time.
PLAY GHOST TRICK
SHU TAKUMI WRITES LIKE A CHILD AND I COULDN’T BE HAPPIER
どうか自殺してくださいませ
Sorry for the moronic question, but would using deepl for sentences that I can't understand after 10 minutes of trying to decipher on my own be a good or bad idea? Happens to me often while trying to read my first VN in jap (after about a year of ankidroning like a dumbass).
text extractor/chii trans lite
No, that’s fine, but really make sure you learn grammar from it
Don't get used to skipping small things that you don't understand for the sake of getting through something or getting the gist. Spend the time with one of the many grammar references out there + the ai translator and try to pick apart what you weren't understanding. Some work now pays dividends later if you're serious about actually wanting to understand Japanese.
You can resort to machine translation as a last resort, but the preferred way is to dissect the sentence, look up the words and relevant grammar points, recognize expressions, proverbs, idioms, and references (if any), and work from there.
I still use deepl sometimes, it's fine.
If you have a good foundation you can immediately tell it translated something wrong and sometimes you yourself have a brainfart so you need that machine translation help
This is why grammsr study is important.
People here know the words but frick up basic grammsr so you end up saying something completely different from what you intended
dude studying grammar is pointless just read a lot lmao
Back to /jp/
I'm sure all of the 0 people who legit thought grammar was useless and not worth studying have been thoroughly convinced.
What's the point of this post
Clearly it is attempting to point out by the use of sarcasm that the post it's replying to is useless.
The sarcastic remark was even more useless.
>write a moronic post that is completely useless
>someone makes fun of the futility of it by the use of sarcasm
>w-well your post was even more useless
Making fun of moronation is never useless and it's good for the soul.
Not useless. A least one person engaged it by asking for places to study grammar. Your homosexual sarcastic post was ignored by the entire rest of the people here.
post some good grammar resources
after reading Tae Kim I've come to the conclusion that I'm moronic, and will never have a full understanding of grammar, just mostly understanding the gist of things
wow, just like every native speaker ever
you don't even consciously know the rules of english, but your brain has figured it out. stop learning and start acquiring
Cure Dolly's videos helped me. I know a lot of people meme them due to the creepy look and weird pronunciation but I watched them muted with subtitles anyways so that wasn't a problem for me. Also I think they got transcribed somewhere so you don't even need to watch the videos.
is kanji a good tradeoff? I'm new but putting an entire word in one character seems incredibly efficient
Absolutely. It actually really helps because there are wayy too many similar/identical words so kanji immediately sorts it for you.
And sometimes even if you forget the reading you still understand what's wrotte because you know what the kanji stands for
I thankfully got started in the beginning of high school so I don’t have to do this shit while juggling college andアルバイト, but the thing that sucks about learning Japanese is that you kind of have to ankidrone for a while (or something similar, I use WaniKani) in order to build up a base of basic vocabulary before July can even try to read anything
Linda Cube
Such an original taste.
What can I say I'm a sucker for fifth gen jrpgs
This is the perfect picture for dumb esl posters. They tend to like tranime.
The same things again and again and again. Might as well make a /ljg/ learning jap with games general on /vg/ since you are as repetitive and boring as one.
Why not contribute something new then, friend?
Yeah you're right, we need room for another twitter screenshot thread instead!
If you like Uncharted Waters: New Horizons the gaiden game is great.
Never got into the series but I fricking love the music. Is this a good place to start?
I'd recommend playing the PS/Saturn remake of New Horizon first. The spinoff is full of appearances and references to the original cast which you will appreciate a lot more if you play it first.
Is that different from the PC version much?
I haven't played the PC version but I know the duel system is different and the graphics are different than console releases. The SNES and Mega Drive games are roughly the same game with slightly different graphics and sound. The PS/Saturn games are more of a remaster of the console versions. But in the end, which version you play comes down to preference.
https://hinative.com/
Never seen this mentioned, you can search through questions asked to native speakers.
If you are so good, what are you playing?
Anki, I don't want to ruin a game by being completely uncomfortable with the japanese
you will never learn the vocab you need to enjoy the game because the game probably uses anime japanese.
but for me, there is a shotacon game that i've already played in english, and I've just been replaying it over and over again and it has greatly increased my knowledge of hentai words.
>anime japanese
bruh most of the VN's people play are in middle earth
Coincidentally I just learned the other day that they call middle earth 中つ国 which I already knew as a way of referring to Japan in some stories. Middle Earth confirmed as being Japan.
eratohok
thanks i'm blind now
kino
I'm reading right now so nothing, but I've been playing P5 now that it's out on PC
pic
外国の人の思われる片言で小さな子供をまとめている人
Okay? Why?
>why
See
aka just fooling around.
そっか
>If you are so good
I am terrible but i am replaying Dragon Star Varnir in Japanese
Kuro 2 was shit but had some cool scenes
>I see, you live in South America! Your Japanese is so good I thought you lived in Japan!
Bros I made it, the games are finally acknowledging my efforts
Good job anon! You showed them!
That's very cute
What is the difference in this game if you pick Japan or other regions?
Neat
They did it. They actually pulled a '日本語は上手ですね'. How patronizing.
>t. gets irrationally angry at children's video games
Ah yes I forgot. I'm sure they included that text for all of the children studying Japanese in Argentina that are playing the game in Japanese on their Switch. How could I be so foolish?
How is that patronizing
上手ですね is basically a statement about othering. You defy expectation because you're not ethnically Japanese, but you're not threatening because you cannot master our language. It's the verbal equivalent of a 'you tried' sticker.
When you actually manage to pierce the veil, it happens a lot less often. And even then, when it does happens, it's almost always an implicit attempt to get you to talk about how hard or impossible Japanese was to master to reassure them that their language is glorious and they Japanese people are uniquely suited for it.
I think you're reading too much into it.
Make your own call if you want. This is the truth I've gathered from living there for 4 years.
Some e-celeb told people the japanese saying you're decent is actually offensive because they never say what they actually think beause the culture is to be humble akways regardless of your feelings and ever since people parrot it as if the japanese are unable to think you're actually decent
That's racist if you think about it
For some weird reason it's widely acceptable to be racist towarda the japanese.
it's acceptable to be racist towards any competent non-violent race
>its ok though when nips are racist to everyone else and spiteful as shit
How is it racist though? Are you fricking stupid?
Are you?
No but you certainly seem to be.
My feelings are hurt! I should sue!
'racist' is a meaningless power-word. Stop using it unironically
Dogen is more proficient at nip than you
And?
You're also just talking out of your ass as well.
Am I? Of course some people are patronizing, but that guy did push the whole jouzu is bad so far people just parrot it without even knowing what it's a about
Black person Dogen's videos are comedy skits, it's not his fault some 80 IQ subhuman thought jouzu meant the nips were making fun of you.
>they never say what they actually think
>he doesn't know about 本音 and 建前
Dougen is a narcissistic homosexual but he's right about that one.
who
E-celeb who's very good at japanese and popularized the nihong jouzu meme.
He influenced Japanese people into using the term country wide? Danm he must be good. I don't watch ecelebs so I'm out of touch with the youngsters I guess.
No you dense fricking moron. He popularized the idea that the Japanese are only being polite and say nihgono jouzu to every idiot who comes along just because he can say こんにちは in a heavy accent, when they actually don't mean it.
>常用さえ読めんな奴草
I'm guessing nobody is fluent here since it's impossible to stay in these threads without cringing to death.
Oh shit he saw right through us oh no
be the change you want to see
Play his games.
What did the english version do here?
They ask you how the kanji for 島 island should be read for your particular island.
How do i cope with the fact that i have to remember 2 or more onyomi readings of a character on top of it's normal kunyomi usage?
Honestly? Read more. You internalize it much faster than pounding out lists of readings on cards.
You don't make a big deal out of it. Just read, listen and learn.
the readings are just the way of the dictionaries order the words used by the kanji.
you should learn 1 "important" word per reading, if the reading even has a important word, but this is only relevant for learning the kanji, you don't learn words from kanji (it's too inefficient to learn 4+ things from a card), you just learn the word and move on.
Even kun/on doesn't matter, you would know if it's on- if it's a kanji pair, most of the time.
I have no clue who this eceleb is and for the record I don't give a shit. My point about 上手 has nothing to do with him.
天才だ(嘘)
Well your point is dumb.
Sure showed me.
You're really dumb then.
自殺されたし
Ah yes, white killing
自ら自殺した
まさか
入水?!
自ら自殺
みずから
水から
入水 = suicide by drowning
Please understand my joke people
Bro, people here barely know english
They can't understand your joke
Any other brainlets here that are learning the language? I'm 3 years in and while I can read everything I want I still have trouble remembering pronounciations and can't write for shit though I have barely tried writing so I don't care about being bad. I also hate listening practice so I can't comprehend audio that well either.
I'm a brainlet. Ask me anything.
Do you also have anki vocab cards where it's just a question of time but you will certainly fail them eventually?
Sure. For instance my first instinct is to always read 剽軽 as ひょうけい so if I'm not paying attention when that word pops I end up getting it wrong and that happens every once in a while as an inevitability. Also some words that are rendaku'd sometimes I remember them without it and vise versa and it's usually the same ones.
get a banjo kanojo
Zwei: The Ilvard Insurrection
literally me
The Dragon Quest games are great for learning nip.
which dragon quest games do you recommend starting which since there's a million of them
They are all child nihongo. If you're asking about the actual games then I like 7.
>been a while since I've last tried playing anything in Japanese
>have done a ton of vocab/grammar grinding since then
>scared of going back to stuff I didn't understand back then out of fear of disappointment and getting discouraged all together
Anything on PC Engine or Saturn, most of the stuff on PS1
Should I play Nemuru Mayu next?
no
Oreshika?
I played that a few years ago it has a surprisingly grim story with (actual spoiler revealed only at the end don't read if you care about it) the mother ancestor who was thought to be dead all along turned out to have been kept alive as a breeding machine as she is perpetually raped by the villain and forced to give birth to monstrosities which are the enemies you fight ingame.
Yeah I plan on playing it eventually I'm just intimidated by the 150 page instruction manual
There is definitely a lot to the system but most of it you don't really need to know unless you're trying to minmax genetics.
No, play Kurumi Miracle.
Looks cool sounds a lot like Doki Doki Poyatchio
It's really charming and funny I'd post some screenshots but I lost all my files in a hard drive crash LOL.
I love graphics/artstyle like this.
Added to the play list.
Yeah it seems really cool but the game is on a timer and I still read pretty slow so I had to drop it.
Kurumi Miracle has a similar style. I'd post better screenshots but I lost all my files in a hard drive crash LOL.
Looks cool. Added to the list.
Saturn/ps1era is the golden age of japanese exclusive gorgeous looking sprite based games.
use. filters.
i got that image online, dumbass
and no. frick off
>not browsing on a CRT
>not glueing scanlines directly onto your eyes
ngmi
How about a consumer CRT?
Please just tell me you named him that and that she’s not really calling him homo.
He brings it up first she's just calling him out
こいつホモくせー
What a strange game. I guess this must be what they call "Japanese humor."
>can understand the gist of most sentences when I read vns or vidya
>struggle to understand random easy sentences with no context posted here
Do I need to study grammar more or will I really get better by just reading things with context
some things like よう seems to have completely different meaning based on context and how they're used I can't wrap my head around them on their own
Show 5.3 examples.
Reading anything in a language you're not fluent in without context is harder, and Japanese is a very, very context heavy language.
Unironically get the dictionaries of Japanese grammar and read a chapter every night before bed.
Just go on animelon or something anon.
Dark Souls, Resident Evil, Metal Wolf Chaos
>fully voiced
>easy to read
>not a VN
Does such a game exist?
Isn't DQ11 fully voiced? I know it wasn't in the original jap release but later it did get Jap voices if I recall correctly.
>fully voiced
As in EVERYTHING is voiced? Frick no.
You're right but playing DQ makes me want to kill myself.
Well I don't know then. You're asking for something specifically easy (aka for children) as opposed to just normal nihongo so most games I think of that fit that description like say, pokemon, yokai watch are not fully voiced. DQ11 was the only one I could think of with potential full voices.
Yeah I know. My tastes are really specific. Guess I'll just bite the VN bullet then.
Just checked ni no kuni it's not fully voiced. I give up dude good luck.
Persona 3 and up are VN's with gameplay
Persona stuff is not exactly on the easy side though, it's more on the just normal nihongo side. Not easy not hard.
>it's more on the just normal nihongo side
That's exactly the kind of language that's great to learn though, day to day stuff.
Not what I'm discussing, it's just that the dude was specifically asking for easy stuff.
Finished P4G when it came out on Steam, so I already know the story, playing in nip wouldn't be that bad of an idea. Ty.
I've played Nep 1 before, could replay it.
Shitty compile heart rpgs might come close. They at least have voice playback on some.
just skimmed the entire thread and not a single good japanese game
unironically have a nice day
There were a few good ones posted/mentioned, you probably just have brain issues.
please play rpg maker games.
>rpg maker games
Pretty much the only type of game that makes me want to throw up.
westoid-made rpgm games are garbage. all of the kino is made by suicidal japanese neets.
List some actually good ones
right here, this is on freem
The problem with the japanese language is that there are too few sounds. To my gaijin mind it all starts blending together and sounds the same.
Like any language you'll get used to parsing it as you listen more. It just takes time.
Like the other guy said
Watch japanese tv or vtubers or something
That's where context comes in. Bridge and chopsticks might sound identical but context tells you they're probably not asking you to pass a bridge. Also there's inflection in the same way you differentiate perfect as an adjective or a verb.
Tldr git gud
That's just true. There are countless homophones and it is because Japanese words in general aren't as phonetically unique and recognizable as many other languages. Mainly because the kana are surch large building blocks that can't be broken down to more granular sounds like the latin alphabet. Your brain will get better at dealing with this over time but it remains a fact. Look at these sentences:
あばら家だなんて。 - 6 out of 8 mora are straight out of the A-row and they're all in a chain
未だ部屋が暖まらない。- 10 out of 12 mora are from the A-row, it's crazy.
It's also the reason why there is such a big difference in Japanese between written and spoken language styles, as the written words tend to be a lot less phonetically unique with tons of homophones. Stuff often becomes only reliably legible when you see it written on paper and can read the characters in grasp their meaning quickly. Spoken Japanese gravitates are lot more towards the at least somewhat more recognizable and also more commonly used words. And the percentage of truly original Japanese words increases with this. Less on-yomi compounds and more kun-yomi readinds.
Playing.hack GU in Japanese is cool because of the forum sections. Trading Japanese in casual forum speak is another level.
Never played that but as someone who actually has played a MMO in the JP servers while actually interacting with them a lot I imagine it's more or less similar to the experience I had. Not specifically the forum sections but I mean more like how that game supposedly emulates a jap mmo experience. From what I hear anyway.
Yeah. The world feels pretty lived in. The desktop sections basically let you explore the world lore in the form of forum discussions and news articles. Pretty neat actually
how hard is the language in ff xiv? i could replay it in nihongo but i'm afraid it will be difficult
What are some games you've played in Japanese?
what are you doing
I'm fricking up, dude.
lol moron
Unless you're really really into japanese media or you want a job where you would benefit from knowing the language, there are much more useful languages you can learn.
>there are much more useful languages you can learn.
Such as?
spanish indian or chinese cause they're gonna eat the planet in like 50 years lmao
Can't eat the planet if your city of 10 million is locked down.
>indian
>indian
but let's not forget that suicide is an option here as well
But I poop in the toilet.
>muh utility argument
Learn what you enjoy learning for your own edification. If you are trying to learn a language purely for a job, hope you think the struggle is worth it in the end.
>If you are trying to learn a language purely for a job, hope you think the struggle is worth it in the end.
That is an excellent reason to learn Japanese though, especially if you're in the business world. It would open a lot of opportunities for you.
I say again: if you are learning any language solely for a job, I hope you think the struggle is worth it. I think it's a shit reason myself.
I'm not learning a language for "usefulness".
>people who can't even pass N5 trying to give advice like they're fluent speakers
lol will never stop being funny seeing the laughably bad advice they keep giving and watch dumbasses lap it up because they don't know any better
so which advice is bad?