Why is everyone on this mindset that the new gimmick is an offense-only advantage? aDrive had an example on his latest video where he said "imagine fire tera Ferothorn. I don't know why anyone would do that..."
But I do. I actually play the game. Fake shiny hunting twitch cucks only think on crowd hype.
Fero is 4x weak to fire. Terastalling fire would remove both fire-weak types and make it suddenly only fire type for .5× damage. Being able to force your own type for the game is a huge momentum pivot. But y'all carebear shiny hunters wouldn't think that far.
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you'd want Ferro into Water tbtbh not Fire
because Water has generally less common weaknesses than Fire
The pointed stones dug into Ferrothorn!
>aDrive
I hate that I have to share a board with homosexuals like you, holy frick.
if u don't hate watch that honey-badger looking fricker on youtube, you're not a real pokemon fan
>I only watch them ironically, haha..
I don't watch any Poketubers because it's either a playthrough of a shitty romhack I'm never going to touch or a top ten list of the most obvious shit they pulled from one of our threads. Imagine giving views to these fricking low-effort losers.
please don't insult honey badgers like that
thank you
YOOOOOO WASUP ITS YA GOY DANG, AKA GAYDRIVE
>Shiny hunters when their children are a different color
/vp/ is infested with the underage and the zoomers to the brim. Nothing can be done about them and their cancer now so better just pretend you don't notice it.
fart probably because speculating competitive this early is foolish + yes you are correct most of this board plays solo/casually and that's perfectly ok you can play pokemon however the frick you want
no need to insult people because they don't want to discuss fanfic meta, there's other forums that are exclusively focused on that
you should go back
zzzz, zzzzzz... Woops sorry, i was sleeping because this gimmick is so boring and anecdotical
>waaaaaaah 10 new mons should have gotten more spikes you don't understand
Too bad because i never liked megas, gmax or zmoves.
Do you guys think that ferrothorn with a fire hat will be better than ferrothorn with a ground hat haha i don't really know! Adrive "adrive" told me that the fire hat will be better the smogoone guy will add this in gen 9 OU HYYYYYYPE no you can't one shot my ferrothorn with your flamethrower because it has the Crystal Fire Hat That Make Him Fire Type!™
homosexual I'm literally the first poster that said Ferro into Fire was moronic.
Anyway Teras are based for Gen 9 OU hype, exactly. whatever anon
>esl tries a new word
You'll get it eventually
The gimmick is fine. In fact I know a lot of people wanted Gamefreak to bring Delta species from the cards and this is basically it.
Might it help to have better clarification on the gimmicks abilities? Yes.
>I know a lot of people wanted Gamefreak to bring Delta species from the cards and this is basically it.
I thought that was regional variants?
Because that would be a waste of a mon as most defensemons switch out too many times for it to be used like that.
>switch type to fire
>live one fire attack
>get rewarded by... landing leech seed?
Or you could have switched to your fire resist lol
No to mention that now you have a useless fire type ferrothorn for the rest of game, and you wasted your gimmick meaning you're losing out on a potential crucial OHKO later in game. In short, you suck at the game OP.
If you think that using Gmax defensively is bad play, you pee sitting down and never hit Great Ball on online comp.
Gmax lasts 3 turns, doubles your heath and has some effects that affect your field or your opponents field. "Defensive terra" is line choice specs Blissey. You might get a kill, but you're losing out on much more than you're getting.
Fire-Z Garchmop virgin vs Fire-Tera Ferothorn enjoyer
Fire Ferrothorn is probably not the best example, but in that case, would regular Ferrothorn be that useful in a match-up against Sun?
In that case, used rather use Water.
What about Magnezone teams?
That case, something like Ground or Pure Grass would be good.
Since the mechanic is optional, you can be Grass/Steel Ferrothorn when you need to be, and Water, Grass, Ground, Ghost, or Fairy Ferrothorn when the opposing team would otherwise make Ferrothorn match up better.
A better example would be making Heatran Grass so that it’s useful against Rain and against heavy Ground spam, or to beat opposing Heatran that aren’t Grass.
Pivot. So if you Tera fire and then Bulldoze the fire type that was expecting to 4x kill, you don't need STAB to turn the tide. There was also a leak that all Pokémon will get access to moves for all 18 types, so there's no telling how that gets expanded.
>bulldoze ferrothorn
KEK. Let say your gimmick worked, your physically offensive ferrothorn somehow got a kill. It's now useless for the rest of the game. You wasted a mon and a gimmick to get one kill. Not exactly a favourable trade anon.
>"imagine fire tera Ferothorn. I don't know why anyone would do that..."
Because it's a moronic idea. If a pokemon is dual type, terastallizing only changes a pokemon's primary typing.
In Ferrothorn's case (Grass/Steel), it would change Grass to Fire. Making him a Fire/Steel.
Fire/Steel is defensively weaker than Grass/Steel. You're trading in a 4x Fire weakness for a 4x Ground AND a 2x Water weakness. Good luck getting raped by EQs and water attacks. You better hope Lando is not in the game.
Holy shit you're a moron. It removes both types and replaces it with the pure typing of its Tera after using the gimmick.
Do research first next time.
Read the Kaka leaks next time, buddy.
The latest trailer confirmed that he isn't bullshitting you.
I got some caca for you, kid
Yes, I know you're full of shit, homosexual.
anon Kaka doesn't really have a better grasp of the gimmick than we do
Khu's already explained it in full and retweeted a pic that he called accurate. A dual type will become a monotype, if that monotype corresponds to any previous the the moves get an extra boost
Okay, to play devil's advocate, let us all pretend that it DOES turn Grass/Steel Ferrothorn into a monotype Fire.
In that case, WHY would you ever want to run a Firethorn? Fire is one of the worst defensive typings in the game. Aside from EQ spam and water attacks, you also get screwed by Stealth Rocks. Regardless of however Terastallizing works or not, using a Fire Tera Ferrothorn is a shitty idea either way.
>let us all pretend that it DOES turn Grass/Steel Ferrothorn into a monotype Fire.
Mono fire Ferro is stupid but it DOES turn them monotype dipshit. Khu literally confirmed it
>Khu literally confirmed it
You're a moron for trusting that lying homosexual
>calling him a liar because you're salty you can't see his tweets
High chance he blocked you because you're a moron
>can't read filenames
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moron.
>can't tell what a repost is
newbie.
>having a Twitter account
sounds like a (You) problem
kaka said it didn't changed the type at all, just gave stab. He was already proven wrong.
His leaks are real, but he is dumb and doesn't know how shit he actually used work.
ffs how many times will we have to say that it DOESN'T work like this.
Ferro is not in the game
>IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT A-DRIVE THINKS.
It could be pretty good for Pokemon who are held back by their bad defensive typing. Like, a Steel Avalugg would legitimately be a horrifying tank to go up against due to it's already fine statline and the fact that it as access to Recover-it might legitimately be worth it to give up o extra offensive pressure for the sake of making your tank nigh-unstoppable
Finally someone that actually plays Pokemon.
The problem with Steel Avalugg is that if, for whatever reason, a Steel Avalugg isn't particularly helpful in a particular match, you're stuck with a shitty Ice Avalugg on your team. The power in Terastal, in my view, is that it has the versatility of Dynamax without being brain-dead "make mon bigger". Rather than designing teams with a single mon you want to Tera, you'll see people building teams where any Mon could go Tera to shore-up bad match-ups. Against some teams you'll be able to just spam electric regieleki or grass rillaboom as a glorified win-button, other matches you'll do something tactical like fire magnezone or steel toxapex or something. The point being that each of these pokemon is still a good asset to the team if you don't need to terastyle it, whereas Avalugg is dead weight in some matchups.
tl;dr Terastal isn't a buildaround like megas and bringing a shitmon just to change its type is bad eye-em-aitch-oh senpai
Whats the best type for Chansey/Blissey?
Fairy?
Yes.
though it means you are getting hit by Ghost moves now.
Chansey/Blissey would likely be best in Fairy or Ghost, but as a secondary Tera.
Blissey does not need Tera to do its main job, but can do its job against things that would beat it, while allowing another teammate to use it if the matchup favors it.
Fairy would likely be the best overall, while Ghost is slightly better if you specifically wanted an out to Fighting, or a way to switch out if your Chansey gets trapped. The usefulness of Ghost will depend almost entirely on what trapping options are available.
Ghost Tera in general is probably the best "I don't plan to use this, BUT" option, entirely because of it beating trapping in one action, if it offers additional utility beyond that, that's just gravy.
But, it's pretty much obvious that Tera is going to be most useful unlocking pokemon with shitty STAB options like Dragonite, pokemon with godtier stats, moves, and abilities but cursed type combos like Avalugg, Volcarona, Frosmoth, or Aggron or something, or allowing a sweep to roll over a pokemon that SHOULD stop it, but can't if that DD Salamence is suddenly dealing an extra x2 damage on its Earthquake, or shrugging off that Ice Shard.
Ironically, I suspect a lot of Dragons dropping Dragon in favor of their other type, or just something else altogether will be pretty common.
Depending on if the rumors of Terrastal having an attack that shifts type on use, and what mechanics that move has, we might also see weird shit like entire classes of pokemon, like the gigacursed Physical Electric type entirely replaced by shit like Flygon or something.
OP here. What were you genwunners thinking? Do you truly feel that you can just press the Terastal button and suddenly win? This isn't the anime. Momentum is key.
Because official material only focused on offense by telling you it powers up moves, and brainlets can't think for themselves.
A big question for me is how Tera effects status moves, that's something that could potentially make defensive/support mons strong. Like, does normal Tera do anything to buff Protect, Recover, Helping Hand etc? Maybe moves like Will-o-wisp and Thunder Wave become 100% accurate, or make the status last longer if it's like PLA. Anything can happen.
Why would you do this? Grass/Steel is a great defensive typing already.
Yeah. You'd definitely not waste your Tera on Ferro unless you're in critical danger like say Choice Blaziken is rampaging through your team
>muh Blaziken cut-
Nat Dex is still the only format that matters.
ferrothron is not in the game
The ever presence of water will always make fire a tricky one to use defensively.
Yeah it definitely would help ferothorn negate his huge weakness, but it would probably still die to surf.
/vp/ is stupid.
They value STAB way too much and think only in high damage outputs you can get. They think a fast and frail Pokemon like Deoxys-A faces 0 issues because it just so fast and offensive.
Which is correct
Deoxys-S is better though
Deoxys-A has the major issue of having its survivability linked to its Damage Output and Speed. If a Pokemon survive its assault, manages to be faster, or has priority, Deoxys-A is just dead or forced to switch.
It’s still good, but it’s not such an Unga Bunga mon and teams using it know they have only 5 Pokemon for its backbone.
Oh yeah sure. I thought you were implying Deoxys-A was completely unviable.
Deoxys-A kinda just dies sometimes, especially to priority
because psychic is a poor offensive type. A fairy, water or ground deoxis A would be unstoppable. It's already really good as is mind you. STAB gives you the power boost of a band item while letting your switch moves and use an item on top of it. There's a reason why all mons sport it
>because psychic is a poor offensive type. A fairy, water or ground deoxis A would be unstoppable
First off, Psychic is actually good offensively.
Second, Deoxys gets no Fairy moves, and the best Attacking moves it has for Water and Ground are Water Pulse and Stomping Tantrum. You could have at least gone with Ice or Fighting since it has Ice Beam and Super Power.
Third, the issue is that Deoxys-A has no defensive utility, which is extremely important and only made up by having excellent offenses. It’s so frail, people will use Normal Deoxys with the Normal reducing berry so it can survive an Extreme Speed from Arceus. For that reason, Deoxys-A will likely use Ghost Tera Types, even without STAB, since Deoxys-A uses only Psycho Boost for STAB, and that it can have some defensive utility.
The fun part is the fact that even if Tera changes only the first type, only the second, or transform ferrothorn into pure fire, still better just switch for something that can 1 shot it. OP has negative QI lul
It's funny, I immediately jumped to defense when I saw terastalizing. It has huge potential if you can somehow choose your type with mints or injection or something.
>tera ghost for whimsicott or a prankster mon to block fake out
>tera dark any setup pokemon to block prankster taun
>tera fire a physical attacker to block wil o wisp
>tera electric to block paralysis
>tera ground a water type to block electric attacks
>tera flying anything weak to ground to block ground
>tera grass to ignore rage powder or sleep powder
Like, in a normal match there's usually one key Pokemon on your team that can sweep "if only that one Pokemon on your opponent's team was taken care of." Yes, sometimes a one time big nuke can take care of that, but so could eliminating your weakness to that one Pokemon. I wouldn't be surprised if Terastalizing becomes primarily used for defense after the first month or so.
Yeah I mean taking up to EIGHT times less damage has more impact than doing 1.5 more damage
both are really interesting. You're probably talking about VGC but they better not ban it in Smogon either.
Yeah.
I fact, most offensive Pokemon will use it defensively.
Imagine facing Salamence, use Ice Shards, and it suddenly becomes a Water type to tank the Ice Shard and also gets STAB Aqua Tail too.
Yeah. Stallmons won't get as much reward from the gimmick I feel like.
Which like, that's, pretty gud
They definitely still can be rewarded though. Biggest idea is Avalugg using it, or Toxapex becoming Dark against Psychic spam.
Fair enough, but they basically don't make use or the surprise advantage, and like, after they change, the opponent just has to pick another mon.
It basically doesn't give already good stallmons like Toxapex or Slowbro a bonus, is what I'm saying
>playing a kiddie game as a competitive sport
penetrate a vegana, please.
>Why is everyone on this mindset that the new gimmick is an offense-only advantage
Have you looked at discussions about Terastal? It comes up all the time.
Tera offensive pokemon
>Get Adaptability or a different STAB for the rest of the battle
>Survive a hit that would've killed you and use that opportunity to set up, instantly turning it into an advantage
>Potentially stuck with a worse defensive type for the rest of the battle, but who cares
Tera defensive pokemon
>Get Adaptability or a different STAB that you won't care about for the rest of the battle
>Survive a hit that would've killed you and use that opportunity to do something that you could've easily found an opportunity to do later
>Definitely stuck with a worse defensive typing for the rest of the battle because good defensive pokemon already have good defensive types
>You could give a better type to a wall that's currently screwed over by its type, in which case you're using your d-max equivalent to make a bad wall slightly surpass a good wall when you could've just used the good wall for free
I'm sure it'll have its uses, but using it offensive mons will absolutely be preferable
>aDrive
Any interest I had in this thread has now been lost.
Just ignore the OP like we all do
Purely defensive Terastal is something that will likely only see use on stall or against some specific matchup. What I can see being very common is Terastal with both offensive and defensive applications, such as Steel Hydreigon, Fire Clefable, Fighting Tornadus-T and so on.
Is poison a good standalone?
Defensive? No, because ground has a large spread.
Yet, still depends on what mon are we talking about.
only if you have levitate, as everything and their mother carries ground coverage.
Thanks.
Poison is close to being the worst type in the game but as another anon said, if you have Levitate then, pretty gud defensively!
Atrocious offensively though. But the 100% Toxic is neat. Unless the 100% Toxic chance doesn't take into account Tera type
>Poison is close to being the worst type
In Gen 1 maybe, and since Gen 6, it hasn’t been the bottom 5 offesively either. It has pretty good resistances, even before Fairy, and is immune to Toxic as well.
Offensively, it did suck, but Normal (after Gen 1) and Dragon were worse. Now its Super Effective against a great defensive typing while also being neutral to things like Fire and Water, so its often more common as coverage than Steel (though Steel is still useful as anti-Fairy coverage. It really depends on movepool and other coverage)
>Offensively, it did suck, but Normal (after Gen 1) and Dragon were worse.
Are you moronic? Normal was only resisted by the types that already resisted Poison, and Poison was resisted by more types. Poison had ONE super-effective target after losing its SE against Bug, and that happens to be a type with 4 other weaknesses.
Meanwhile Dragon had ONE FRICKING RESISTANCE and nothing was immune to it. It was the uncontested strongest type in generations 4 and 5, after Outrage became Physical.
Poison is better offensively than Normal (outside if Gen 1) and Dragon is because;
A. It’s super effective against something other than itself at least, and it’s super effective against Grass, which is pretty important today if you have Water or Ground STAB. You could run Ice Beam, but it was better than not having that option.
B. Pretty much the important Poison moves had a massive chance to Poison you if you weren’t Poison or Steel type. It extends the type chart by including secondary effects, but not like you would run any poison move without a chance to poison. It’s kind of like Scald, where even if you resist it, you don’t always want to switch in.
It’s definitely better than Normal after Gen 1 and edges out Dragon before Gen 6 where it’s actually good offensively.
It was bad Gens 1-5, but not the worst offensively.
Dragon was the uncontested best offensive type. The entire reason they added Fairy was because Dragon was fricking broken.
Poison was resisted by 4 types and Steel was outright immune to it. It was always worse than Normal.
If you think having extremely wide unresisted coverage is bad then you must not play the game.
>B. Pretty much the important Poison moves had a massive chance to Poison you if you weren’t Poison or Steel type.
If you actually want to poison something, you'll use a Status move like Toxic.
>Gen 6 where it’s actually good offensively.
The only reason anyone ever runs Poison moves without STAB is as coverage for Fairy.
>Dragon was the uncontested best offensive type
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I’M DYING
MY FRICKING SIDES
He's right though. You could spam it for free and every dragonmon has access to EQ/a fire move
You can say the same thing about Normal, where you can spam it if you had the approriate coverage.
Thing is, that a typing offensively is only as good as how common it is as a coverage move.
Pokemon typically rub their STABs when they are offensive. This makes the moves’s damage be x6, x3, x1.5, x0.75, and x0.375 depending on the target’s typing, which makes a big difference for neutral targets and more so for targets weak to you.
So a Garchomp, Latias, and Salamence all running Dragon moves is understandable.
However, not every Pokemon can just run their STABs most of the time as there are likely many things that wall such a combination, and with 4 moves only, you want to make sure you hit an assortment of important road blocks.
It’s why Fighting, Ground, and Fire are great offensive types. Not only do they deal with lots of different types, they also hit Steel Super Effectively.
Now not all good offensive types have to beat Steel and some are walled by Steel as well, such as Ice, even after Gen 2 nerfed it.
With that established, why the frick would you ever use Dragon moves as coverage if given any coverage you’d want?
If given a choice, Fighting is by far the top choice for offensive types, even today with Fairy types. You also have Ground, Fire, Ice, and Dark/Ghost (lumped together since they are very similar) as basically standard coverage options, and it’s because they are good offensive types.
If those 5 types were not good offensively, like how Dragon is bad offensively even in Gen 4/5, literaly the only Pokemon that would use it are Pokemon that get STAB from it.
The reason why Dragon Spam or Dragmag teams exist is solely because there were so many Psuedo Legendary and Legendary Dragons with insanely amazing stats.
If that doesn’t ring bells, try thinking of a single Special Attacker that would use HP Dragon. A single one. They use Fighting, Fire, Ground, Grass, Ice, sometimes Water, but what ever would use HP Dragon?
Hear me out.
The secret to Dragon is actually Dragon Dance, and the lack of an immunity pre gen 6.
If gen 4 Scrappy, Dragon Dance Tauros was a thing, complete with Thrash and Earthquake to smash Steels and Rocks, it would be in a similar realm. Probably worse than Salamence for most purposes, mostly due to BST, and wasting its ability, Intimidate, for what Dragon used to get for free, but in that arena.
Coverage types and Offensive types are not the same thing. Coverage types are based purely on the defensive pokemon in the meta. Dragon isn't a particularly good defensive type since the only bulky dragon is multiscale Dragonite so dragon isn't a useful coverage typing. A good offensive typing means spammable stab moves, where you only need to eliminate a few resistances before you can hit the outrage button and win the match. Dragon was literally only resisted by Steel, which resists so much that using that as a negative against Dragon is basically pointless.
The fact that you could get legitimately good results with a 4drag2mag team in Gen 5 should immediately disprove the notion that dragon was a bad offensive type but I'm sure you'll make the "coverage == offense" mistake again.
confirmed underage
No, you’re just moronic.
Dragon Offensively, even in Gens 4-5, is shit. Simple as.
Dragon as STAB is supposed to be a limiting factor for Dragon types Pokemon. Besides Dragon Tail and the one off Pokemon that uses Dragon Claw because it has nothing else, non-Dragon types will never use Dragon moves. You literally are just better off using Ice moves. Ice moves are super effective against Dragon, the 1 thing Dragon is good against, while also being good against Grass, Ground, and Flying.
Even Normal type moves see some usage on non-Normal types, albeit for Extreme Speed, which could be considered more utility but is also strong, and the high BP moves.
Actual Dragon types will actually not use their STABs some times because it sucks.
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Draco_Meteor_(move)
Resisted only by a single type, with pretty consistent weaknesses, most dragon offensive pokemon have access to ways around it.
Terrible coverage type, best STAB type in the game prior to gen 6.
Incidentally, the goals of Stab and Coverage are entirely different. Types that are mediocre as coverage can be amazing as Stab, and vice versa. Electric, Ground, and Fighting are largely the only types great at both.
Coverage cares mostly about SE types, Stab cares mostly about resists.
>You know the Dragon typing is so great offensively
>Which is why literally no Pokemon besides other Dragons used Dragon moves as coverage
Bug is also great, which is why Arceus literally never used its Bug form at all what so ever.
Bug is a terrible offensive type, even at its peak Scizor would only use bug bite as a glorified coverage move.
>Reading comprehension
That post LITERALLY spelled out the difference between STAB and Coverage, and you're too moronic to see it.
Bug is also a contender for one of the worst types in the game on all counts anyways.
Almost everything since Gen 4 uses its STAB moves, which is why coverage is so much more of an important factor to what is good offensively and what isn’t.
If Dragon was the uncontested best offensive type, like the anon was originally saying, then Pokemon wouldn’t be skipping it as coverage every single time. Unless you want to tell me that these offensive Pokemon just so happen to ignore their access to the “Uncontested Best Offensive type” in favor of other types.
D
>Almost everything since Gen 4 uses its STAB moves, which is why coverage is so much more of an important factor to what is good offensively
lmao no it fricking isn’t.
Hitting the entire game for AT LEAST 1.5x damage is more valuable than having a shitty STAB that’s resisted by a bunch of things and sometimes hitting for 1-2x instead.
>Being a good coverage type is more important than being a good STAB type because STAB is used more often than coverage
???
Coverage is actually more common to have since most Pokemon have at least 1 or 2 coverage moves, and some Pokemon don’t run STAB at all, especially before Gen 4.
But the thing is the decision behind it.
You pick STAB typings only because STAB boosts that moves power.
A Salamence uses Outrage because it gets STAB. You can’t choose what types are STAB on your Pokemon outside of certain conditions.
With coverage, the choices are any if the remaining 16-17 types you don’t get STAB on.
If you had a Flying/Rock type (and No Guard for the argument), would you be using Dragon Rush or Earthquake?
Obviously Earthquake here since Dragon Rush would only be useful against Dragons that you may already beat, which case you could use some Ice coverage if you need to.
While there are scenarios where you would rather not use the better offensive types, generally, the coverage moves you want are Fighting, Ground, Fire, Ice, and even Grass.
These types are the best offensive types because if you had to choose an attacking move for your moveset, you’d want these types at least as your coverage moves.
If there was a universe where all the OU Dragons in Gen 5 got an Ice type Outrage with 180 BP or Ice type Draco Meteor with 210 BP, they would use over Outrage and Draco Meteor. They only used their STABs in Gen 5 because STAB makes them effectively 180 BP/210 BP respectfully.
You don't need to keep reexplaining how Dragon is a bad coverage type. No one has disagreed with you on that.
What you don't seem to understand is that types can be good or bad at being STAB, just like they can be good or bad as coverage. Yes, most Pokemon use STAB regardless of type, but that doesn't make all STABs equal.
Only one type resists Dragon, and prior to gen 6 nothing was immune to it. One single type was the only thing stopping dragons from spamming their 1.5x boosted moves for the whole game, and never having that damage multiplier lowered. You can't say that about Ice, which is resisted by four types. THAT'S what makes a STAB type good: being splashable.
Coverage types are only concerned with how many mons they hit super effectively, because those are the only mons they have to hit. STAB is different; you don't just use your STAB when it's super effective, you also use it when nothing is super effective. As such, having few resists is more important to a STAB type than having many strengths.
While I'm sure Gen 4 & 5 dragons would've appreciated having 180 BP/210 BP Ice moves, those moves would not have replaced their STABs. Ice STAB would be better for hitting the Ground type in front of you, but it's not going to be hitting the Ground type in front of you; it'll be hitting the bulky Water that your opponent just sent in because that's a whole extra group of defensive mons that you have to play around now.
If you are looking for a solid Fighting, Grass and Fairy check in one slot it's pretty good, but only on some specific Pokémon like Avalugg and Cresselia, or maybe as an emergency thing for Corvinight for a transformation that lets it avoid being trapped while compromising the least amount of important things to wall. The problem is that natural Poison types (Toxapex, Galarian Slowking, Amoonguss, Galarian Weezing, Alolan Muk, probably Paldean Quagsire too) are easier to use and have a secondary type that maximizes the perks of Poison and minimizes its flaws.
Offensively it sounds bad for just about anything, even the few good offensive Poison types that exist don't want that particular super STAB
Definitely
>Fighting Resists
>Fairy Resists
>Resists Wood Hammer and Megahorn
>Resists U-turn
>Immunity to Toxic
>Toxic ignores accuracy
It’s like Steel, but if you want a Fighting resistance and Fire nuetrality. It will be pretty important as a more mix up option since tons of Pokemon will assume you will become Steel.
we may joke about crystal onix being the first terastal pokemon, but it's actually a good upgrade.
it being a Water tera will fix the absolutely shitty rock/ground typing it has.
OP can frick off, everyone who knows their shit instantly thought of Shedinja.
ok but why the hats? why does it look so fricking moronic? i dont want to play pokemon anymore
It's not like your opponent will know your teratype. He'll attack you based on your regular typing, by using tmthe gimmick suddenly, you can not only stop their attack but also use a stab super effective move if things go right.
Ok hear me out guys what about these:
Ground gyarados
Steel hydreigon
Fairy alakazam
Dark dragalge
Dark dragapult*, sorry
>Ground gyarados
Has potential for being able to DD on an electric move before spamming earthquake but I think in most cases you'd prefer to just switch and save Gyarados for later
>Steel hydreigon
Hydreigon is a very offensive mon and Steel is a terrible offensive typing. You'd be better off just using choice spec dragon hydreigon for huge draco meteors
>Fairy alakazam
This one could be decent but I imagine it wouldn't be your plan-A in a match
>Dark dragapult
Dragapult's typing is one of its best qualities and I imagine tera-ing into ghost/dragon would let it rip through teams if you've managed to remove its walls.
This is all based on a smoggie 1v1 perspective VGC may be entirely different.
>Hydreigon is a very offensive mon and Steel is a terrible offensive typing.
Hydreigon's main set in OU currently already runs Flash Cannon and Roost, it's perfect for Terastalizing into Steel since it would only have two weaknesses.
Coverage moves and Offensive moves are very different. Hydreigon isn't going to be sweeping with STAB flash cannon. I don't know offhand if any non-dragon mons get Draco Meteor but I'm 99% sure no non-dragon mons do/would run it because that kind of power sweeping with a non-stab draco-meteor. You could use Hydreigon more as a pivot, but in that case why Ter it a new one?
Water Multiscale Dragonite!
There will be defensive uses, especially for Pokemon who can boost their abilities, but stuff like STAB+ Steel Scizor Bullet Punch is going to be the big thing
UNLESS
Terastal disables abilities, or disables held items. It probably won't, but it should be considered a possibility. A lot of arbitrary things didn't function with Dynamax, after all.
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This is going to define VGC for sure, doubles won't provide breath for Stealth Rock, and to make things worse, there aren't MAX moves anymore to summon weather, thus making Tyranitar, Hippodown, A-Ninetales or Vaniluxe obligatory in order to bring Shedinja down. Or just Ally Switch with Ferrothorn.
>and to make things worse, there aren't MAX moves anymore to summon weather
I'm going to miss this. Not needing a dedicated weather or terrain setter really opened up team building options. Now it's back to having to bring Fini or a Safeguard user if you want a way to reliably block status effects instead of just being able to Max Starfall.
Oh shit, that's a good point.
>he doesn't know
>Toxapex use Toxic
>It doesn't affect Shedinja
AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>holding Air Balloon
>becomes Tera Electric-type
>safety goggles blocking weather
>tapu fini partner blocking status by existing and other moves with taunt
>normal type so it only has a weakness to fighting
Terastallizing into Steel-type also provides immunity to both Sandstorm and Toxic, but yeah, Tapu Fini or similar mon would be the best partner to keep Air Balloon Electric Shedinja alive in VGC
steel type makes you weak to earthquake and heat wave, both of which are spread moves you can't ally switch your way out of.
it's just not a good type for shedinja in the context of vgc.
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Its a stupid insta win strat. There are a million was around it but if you haven't dedicated a move to overcoming stupid things your screwed.
Wish I could terastal my wiener to rock type so I could cure my erectile dysfunction
how many turns does it last for?
does it revert on pokemon switch?
if roar, whirlwind, red card, eject button + trick, etc. exist then you could game people out pretty easily on their move.
this assuming that becoming cool israeliteel form doesn't prevent forced swaps. maybe this will be the generation where protect isn't used, then the value of memeform will increase. otherwise i think it will be far more useful as an offensive mid game threat.
It lasts until the end of the battle, just like mega evolution.
hmm, will be a very unique and interesting meta then. i am excited.
So does this essentually give a pokemon a third type or replaces one of it's types when it comes to defence?
It turns you monotype, original typing is gone when you use it. If you transform into one of the types you already have then your stab moves do 2x damage instead of 1.5x.
I suppose (or at least that's what I understood from the eevee example in the trailer) that the tera types a pokemon species can take on are limited, for example gardevoir beyond its two types could only choose water.
I hope they balance it well
Any pokemon can have any tera type.
That statement leaves both interpretations open
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Congratulations. You have just taken one of the best typings in the game and ruined it for the rest of the match, to get one reversal play that doesn't put you in a good position, just a less shitty one.
Nevermind that Ferro now takes 25% of its health every time it switches, gets hit by Toxic, Sleep Powder and Leech Seed, and dies to Earthquake, you turned one defensive matchup around, that you might actually now be at a different disadvantage in, or are at best neutral in.
Again, never mind that you are doing this instead of not building your team moronicly, or using the gimmick to straight up win a matchup and potentially sweep, or predicting your team balance on a gimmick that should be flexible. Frick the haters who don't even play the game, you're so galaxy brained that the game itself can't comprehend you, and your cratered ELO is proof only of fanfic meta, Smoggie bias, or Gamefreaks shitty meta balance.
Frick, if you were a TINY bit less of a moron, you would have observed that Water does virtually the same thing, with less exploitable weaknesses, and no stealth rock weakness.
But you're too galaxy brained for that.
How is that a good thing? It's yet another gameplay mechanic that is unaccountable: doesn't PKMN have enough frickery already? It's going to be utterly miserable having to play around Terastal. I'm not buying the game.
>aDr*ve
LETS GOOOOO SHINY NecRRRRozma.... AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
So from initial impressions, the best defensive combination is to take a pokemon that has an ability that makes it resist or immune to certain types and then making it a type that that ability covers.
Turning a Thick Fat pokemon into a grass type, Levitate into poison, etc. But what are some of the best pokemon to utilize it?
I've seen more people discussing it defensively than offensively. Mainly because it'll be a lot more interesting defensively.
Most offensive mons already have good STAB, so most of them won't be changing their type. I can see Ground Gyarados for STAB Earthquake, for example. But most offensive mons will likely opt for boosting their regular STAB.
Defensive is more interesting because you need to change your type to benefit defensively, and it's a sidegrade/give-and-take situation.
So do we know how much of a boost this gimmick gives if the tera type matches one of the original types of the pokemon? Is it 2x STAB instead of 1.5x?
>Is it 2x STAB instead of 1.5x?
We're not sure but it's probably 2 or 2.25 yes.
There's also a chance that we're all full of shit by assuming it adds a bonus to the STAB,
and maybe it changes BP instead, in the same way as Strong Style.
BP, how good it would be to run a FairyTera Sableye?
okay-ish. you lose dark types prankster immunity and get nothing in exchange.
you're still regular Sableye unfortunately
I will hate Megas forever for cucking Mega-Sableye from just being a cross-evo
unless GF backpedals on it which would be nonsense but based
Water soldirock rhyperior enters the room
>adrive
the dude is the reason why I got an filter addon in my browser, so I don't have to see this brainlet when I look up pokemon stuff
also protip: don't listen to anyone on this site when it comes to competitive stuff.