How will they be able to top charichters like Dagoth ur or especially Mankar Camoran?
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They could try hiring good writers.
i hope the starfield disaster makes them realize how fricking horrible the writing in their games has gotten, i think they should pander to nostalgia gays and add more life sim elements in TES6.
I'm not sure, man. Writing was already being critized in Fallout 4. They simply refuse to listen.
could just be the change in what gamers like to consume on the internet, or algorithms boosting my bias, but opinions on starfield are mixed at best, no one is talking about it right now except when shitting on it.
>i hope the starfield disaster makes them realize how fricking horrible the writing in their games has gotten,
Literally the first thing Emil did was get on stage and say that their dogshit writing was just fine, actually, and you're just a salty hater nerd if you care about things like "player agency" or "logical consistency".
They will never care about the writing again. It's a structural issue where once you let normies without any personal attachment to the franchise develop its lore, it will inevitably turn into shit. What they need are autistic nerds but those aren't the ones graduating college with writing degrees
I've got you covered!
just as dysgenic as the npcs in their games
>This frick made the best levels of Thief 2.
How the mighty have fallen.
>looses weight
>looses talent with it
Many such cases
I'm sure this guy can come up with something
this guys alright honestly
Other than the "transcription error" meme has he done anything that awful with the lore? I could never get into ESO because of the atrocious combat but the little lore I saw was interesting.
if he was a true loremaster he would've thrown an autistic fit at the design team for fricking up hammerfell's climate regions and would've actually killed the writers over ithelia
Lawrence Schick works for Larian since 2021.
Quality of ESO lore declined since then.
Schick was handcuffed in what he could add. The latest crop of back benchers have more freedom.
That is what happens when you remove quality control measures.
>How will they be able to top charichters like Dagoth ur or especially Mankar Camoran?
they don't? Alduin and Harkon are jokes, Miraak looks cool but that's about it.
I ignore what the big boogeymen are for redguards but I can already tell that TESVI (if it ever comes out) will be the most soulless safe shit ever created.
move on you dimwits. bethesda hates you, they don't care
Todd told me in a dream you will be able to assassinate The overlord of the Thalmor Dominion in TES6
What's so bad about the thalmor?
I worship Talos
what's the matter with you?
Charisma void. Granted we only see underlings in Skyrim but th few of their officers you see don't live any impression (I can't even remember a name).
they actively want to unmake the world so they can return to Aetherius
/spoiler It didnt work out for them
what's so bad about that?
it goes against Lorkhan/shor/talos' plan, hes the real chad here
is there any actual tangible canonical proof behind the whole thalmor want to destroy the towers and unmake reality claim
like in game or even some tie in novel or whatever text that claims so
or is it all conjecture from kirkbrides forums posts
please repond
krikbride is canon as of 2017 eso update
The closest thing is Ancano ranting about the Staff of Magnus being able to unmake reality
One line by Esbern about the the Thalmor don't want the world to end. Well unless it is on their terms.
Paraphrasing.
fount the esbern line
>Well. They've been hunting down Blades since the Great War, on general principle. But if you mean me, now, in particular... maybe they've started to get an inkling of what the return of the dragons means. I don't suppose they want the world to end any more than we do. Or at least, they'd prefer it to end on their terms."
the thalmor want the world to end on their terms, as stated in skyrim
They literally just copy-pasted the SS into TES
If you look at the lore even the more generic things like the Nords and High Elves have unique aspects that set them apart from JUST being vikings and Tolkien elves.
The Thalmor on the other hand dress, act, and even have the same goals as Himmler and the SS.
damn i want to join the thalmor now...
what's so bad about the SS
didn't read past the reddit spacing btw
The problem is that it's lazy worldbuilding and relies too heavily on shit from IRL to tell you how to think about the fiction.
>The Thalmor on the other hand dress, act, and even have the same goals as Himmler and the SS.
Yes, good goyim, the Thalmor are literally like le ebil nazis.
they are, in a superficial sense
the difference is that talos worship is good
I always thought of the aldmer and by extension the altmer and aldmeri dominion as british. Even in the early games they spoke in british accents and it's clear from their imperial and colonialism that they were meant to be based on brits and definitely not germans. So i guess you could say the Thalmor are more like the BUF than the SS
They would rather end reality than deal with the butthurt of a Nord becoming a divine.
he wasn't just a nord. see
The heresy has been debunked.
The ghost in Old Hroldan refutes the main point.
The Talos is three people meme has no value. It has been proven wrong.
its not because that ghost is recounting a event from BEFORE hjalti even changed his name to Tiber or when he had entered Cyrodill with his armys.
One of the main points of the heresy was Wulf did the shouting for Tiber.
The ghost shows Tiber was dragonborn and had no need of a designated shouter.
The anons married to the three people thing will never let facts get in the way of a good argument.
he didnt go to high hrotgar untill after that though, he had wulfhearth with him when he was named stormcrown
What do you think that proves?
The ghost is talking about retconned history that happened after the warp in the west. It never actually happened. Tiber ate the identity and past of his allies.
Missed the point.
Tiber being dragonborn is the important bit of info revealed. He did not need Wulf to shout for him. At most he needed him to let him use his undestanding of words of power ala the Gaybeards.
The heresy does not stand up to scrutiny.
you clearly didnt even read the heresy you're trying to disproove, otherwise you'd know that ysmir could turn into a storm and sit upon Hjalti's head which made him appear dragonborn.
Hjalti was dragonborn He didn't need to trick anyone.
Tiber being dragonborn was retconned into history. A ghost is telling you shit that never actually happened.
If you are Argonian, Orc, or Altmer the ghost sees Hjalti because you are all dragonborn.
Not sure what you are trying to dispute at this point.
what does that have to do with what he said anon?
>Tiber was not dragon born but he changed the past to say that he was
>>Yeah, but what about this guy who thinks he was dragonborn??
You literally can't fricking read
So you are using the heresy to disprove the thing from in game that disproves the heresy?
Bold move Cotton
hes not using the heresy, hes using daggerfalls main questline
Daggerfall weighed in on Tiber being dragonborn? I missed that.
You can't "disprove" the heresy by showing someone saying that history is the rewritten version of history. Of course they fricking would, that's WHY he did it.
> The ghost of someone who knew Hjalti seeing you the dragonborn as Hjalti doesn't meanHjslti was dragonborn.
What soes it prove. This is not some unreliable narrator. It is a firsthand witness. He was there.
Nta, but your narrative doesn't make any sense
If Hjalti Early Beard is a breton from Alcaire, then he can't be Talos Stormcrown from Atmora
It's one or other
It was the first, and then the numidium + totem of tiber septim made it the second. Both are "true", in the sense that what actually, really happened was him as a breton, but the world currently existing is one as if he had been atmoran. It's historical revisionism but if you actually literally changed the past.
Yeah, but that's my point
If we're seeing a world after Tiber Septim already retconned his own existence, the the ghost that calls you Dragonborn wouldn't call you Hjalti, because Septim retconned himself as always being Talos Ymyr, Dragon of North from Atmora
The breton from Alcaire wasn't Dragonborn and couldn't Shout
It has to be one or the other
the ghost lived a life IN the pre-retcon world so thats WHY hes saying his version.
That doesn't make any sense, why would he recognize Septim as Dragonborn is he knew him when he wasn't? And why would ghosts be immune to the reality altering retcons?
because he was using wulfhearth to appear that dragonborn, i cant belive you cant keep track of more than 2 moving parts in a story
He didn't need to pretend to be dragonborn. He was dragonborn.
not yet, not until he was proclaimed talos after the battle of old hroldan and went to the greybeards
> Hjalti being dragonborn proves he wasn't dragonborn.
You don't understand how proof works do you?
he wasent he just looked like one to everyone
see
Hjalti was dragonborn. He did not need someone to shout for him.
He did not have to pretend to be dragonborn. He was dragonborn.
cope, give evidence not hate, ur argument is falling apart because its shit
Once again the ghost of Hroldan is the one you have an issue with. He sees Hjalti when you the dragonborn shows up.
Explain how that is proof that Hjalti is not dragonborn.
see
I am not arguing with whoever you have stashed on your folder.
Make your own damn arguments or walk away.
How is proof Hjalti was dragonborn actually proof Hjalti wasn't dragonborn?
but Hjalti wasent dragonborn and never was? i dont understand the question
Your argument is with the ghost of Hroldan. I am going by what he says. He was there so he is a first-hand witness.
I know the book supposedly written by the guy trapped in the mantella while trapped in the mantella is a compelling andtotally believable source but I will stick with someone who was there. In a sea of unreliable narrators someone with firsthand knowledge is as solid a source as you can get.
and thats fine anon, its the way alot of skyrim players see talos, but if you put in the mental effort to read about it in detail like i did you'll see the pieces fall into place.
> If you start really diving in you will see the truth.
DAS RITE
i don't think Black folk like reading though, so i really just think ur not willing to think that hard about a game lore theory
I gave the heresy a chance.
It got proven wrong.
Not sure what else you want.
It didnt you're merely claiming it did out of cope
If you want it explained im happy to tell you what i know, i have the time to type out lore answers, just ask your questions
How is the ghost of Hroldan proving Hjalti was dragonborn proof Hjalti wasn't dragonborn?
Maximiani Julia Portas, a highly educated woman who earned two master's degrees, one of which was in microbiology, and a doctorate in philosophy, and a contemporary and active participant in WW2, proclaimed Adolf Hitler the actualization of the Aryan spirit and the manifestation of love because of his vegetarian lifestyle, numerous political policies for the safety and security of the environment and animals, him overcoming the economic crisis unfairly positioned onto the German people following the Treaty of Versailles that turned his country into an economic powerhouse while the other Western nations suffered during the Great Depression, and his abject hatred from the material israeli population which he sought to expel. Does this make any of what she said true?
How are you not getting that eye witnesses can be wrong about their perceptions?
You're schizoposting and going way off-track to justify your shitty fanon.
In-game eyewitness > your reddit theory.
I accept your concession.
I'll request an apology from your mother for breeding you.
I wasn't that anon. I just like shitting on loretrannies forcing their moronic theories.
>snaps and goes after anon's mom
Calm down spergy.
To be fair when she's that easy why WOULDN'T you go for anon's mom? A hole's a hole.
I am used to anon getting pissed at losing. I don't take it personal. It is kinda the point.
that wasent my reply, heres mine
Not seeing the wrong.
>How is the ghost of Hroldan proving Hjalti was dragonborn, proof (that) Hjalti wasn't dragonborn?
The ghost doesn't prove that he's dragonborn, your question starts from a falsehood.
The ghost of old Hroldan Saw Hjalti during the battle of old Hroldan As a Dragonborn because of Wulfhearth making him appear to have the thu'um, and by causing clouds of lighting over the army.
it'd be like if General Tullius Had the Last dragonborn behind him at all time using an invisibility spell, and shouting whenever Tullius opened his mouth.
naturally everyone in his army, who didnt know about the secret dragonborn the general had with him, saw HIM as the dragonborn because the power appeared to come from him.
So the ghost when he was alive saw people the same way he does as a ghost?
Did dragonborns give off auras back then?
Hjalti had a had a crown of lighting its kinda hard to miss
but again, the ghost had NO IDEA about wulfhearth being the source of power for Hjalti. so when he sees you, he sees that same power and is like OH Hjalti was like this once!
are you starting to understand how the ghost was fooled by hjalti's ploy?
I am beginning to see how someone got fooled.
Does your character have a crown of lightining?
stormcall also you're litterally proclaimed Ysmir Wulfhearth and stormcrown in a ceremony
The dragonborn IS wulfhearth, Ysmir, Stormcrown. Thats who hes recognising
Thats what I have been saying. The ghost sees you and Hjalti as the same because you are both dragonborn.
Glad that is settled.
wulfhearth is the dragonborn anon... the ghost saw hjalti as dragonborn because he thought it was hjalti's power causing the thuum. but it was wulfhearth's so the ghost is just mistaken in where the power was coming from
and he recognizes the power and associates it with his friend since he didnt know about the secred pocket dragonborn Hjalti had
Without using the heresy ( or the fanfics) prove your case.
We agree on the geresy being in game and worthy of discussion.
Do you have anything else from in game to support your claim?
There is a great deal of evidence Tiber was dragonborn.
Tiber wasent dragonborn, the whole point of this whole thing is that he wanted to make the world THINK he was a dragonborn because that would lend him legitimacy (since hes not a royal) and a ere of holy/divine power.
it was a ploy, a scheme, between a general (tiber) and a dragonborn (ysmir wulfhearth) to create the image of a perfect man so that he could rule the empire.
this was the plan and it worked flawlessly, so flawlessly that even you are fooled by it...
Stating something emphatically is not proof.
Do you have anything to back up your claim?
read the arctician heresy
the part about his neck being slit proves that he couldn't have been dragonborn because he did it too keep up the appearence. also hes in like 3 places at once sometimes in the lore so theres that too, so talos is very obviously not one person
Reminder that the throat slitting isn’t backed up in any source other than the Heresy. His voice and neck is just fine in Real Barenziah
yea but when? he didnt have his neck slit his whole reigh only near the end
Single source arguments are weak. Does anything else in game support it. I already stated the heresy is worthy of discussion.
It is however light on corroborating evidence.
The case that Tiber was dragonborn does not suffer from that failing.
So once again you admit that the ghost recognized you as a dragonborn because Hjalti was also a dragonborn. We're in agreement. So stop posting.
see my new post
the dragonborn is Ysmir Wulfhearth's soul thats what the ceremony is high hrothgar with the greybeards was about
The ghost recognises you as Ysmir wulfhearts (he thinks its hjalti's soul) soul because he was around it when hjalti had it on his head
The ghost could see souls when he was alive?
no, but now that hes a ghost he can sense the same power that the dragonborn wulfhearth had, but in you
So he is recognizing Hjalti and not the people around him in you.
Thanks for finally understanding.
yes, because the ghost thought he was a dragonborn due to his scheme with wulfhearth.
Hjalti sees wulfhearths power but withought wulfhearth, so he thinks its coming from his friend hjalti
later the ghost sees you, with that same Wulfhearth energy, and so calls you hjalti because thats who he saw have that energy last (despite the fact that is wasent actually hjalti's power but wulfhearths)
Once again the ghost could see souls when he was alive?
Your premise has that to contend with.
The ghost knew his friend as a dragonborn due to the wulfhearth ploy, so when he sees a dragonborn, he associates you with his friend who he thought was a dragonborn. no soul energy needed
So the ghost could see souls when he was alive?
no i just said he couldent
christ man i really broke you by proving you wrong huh? sorry man. i just want to teach you lore!
but no, he saw the lighting crown
So if the ghost couldn't see souls when he was alive how could he mistake wulfs for Hjaltis soul when he was dead?
A thing he had never seen before is the thing he is fooled by. Think things through before you post.
because YOU have wulfhearths soul, thats what makes him even think of his old friend
How could he mistake wulfs soul for Hjaltis if he never saw it?
he felt the power of wulfhearth
think about how guards know ur dragonborn just by you walking past them, or the greybeards calling your dragonborn before you even speak.
You have to prove you are dragonborn by yelling at the Gaybeards.
>"so a dragonborn appears, at this moment in the turning of the age. Show us, that you have the gift"
they already knew
> A dragonborn has appeared now prove it is you.
Thanks for proving me correct.
He calls you a dragonborn on sight
>encounters wulfhearth while alive (thinks it's just hjalti)
>encounters second coming of wulfhearth as a ghost
why wouldn't he recognise it?
> Why wouldn't he recognize something he had never seen?
Makes sense if you don't think about it
your argument is getting very desperate
> Anon losing calls the other anon desperate.
As expected
that wasen't me but its really not lookin to hot for you chief
Sure.
you've literally just been ignoring everything everyone says and demanding people explain things that they've already explained ten times for half this thread
just give up
> You have been ignoring the anon using circular logic.
That is correct.
I don't think you even know what circular logic is
One of us doesn't. That much is true.
That's Rolstongay for ya.
He does have standards. Weak arguments need not apply
>ghost recognized you as a dragonborn because Hjalti was also a dragonborn.
no because hjalti made himself appear dragonborn, read his post
Correlation does not equal causation. Everyone here doesn't hate you. We just want you to understand that Tiber lied about everything, and that you've been lied to, and it's okay to want to be correct, but it's better for you to stop clinging to comfortable lies instead of accepting harsh truths.
You are either dragonborn or you aren't.
exactly, he wasent, people THOUGHT he was, thats the whole point im making here
The ghost of Hroldan proves he was dragonborn though.
> Not canon
I accept your surrender.
again, he just appeared dragonborn so thats why he calls him that, that was the whole point of the ploy, and it seems to have even tricked (you)
If Talos was using Wulf to shout how would the Ghost know? He was just a soldier who died at Hroldan he’d only have seen what he could with his eyes. How would he be able to tell?
Are you moronic? Why would his childhood friend that never saw the Ash-King recognize him as Dragonborn?
because he was shouting like a dragonborn because of wulfhearth sitting on his head
he appeared to be shouting*
i should clarify to you that wulfhearth was doing the shouting
Why? Hjalti could shout. Are you saying Hjalti was just lazy?
Hjalti couldn't shout because he wasn't and never would be dragonborn, he needed Wulfhearth with him to appear dragonborn because it was Wulfhearth who did ALL the shouting for him and lit the dragonfires, making him APPEAR dragonborn.
Talk to the ghost of Hroldan not me. He is the one you have a problem with.
see
Then why doesn't the inn ghost call LDB as wulfarth then, idiot? Also this thread needs more breasts.
because he didnt know who wulfhearth was, it was a secret to make Hjalti have the fame
and it looks like Hjalti's trick seems have worked on you aswell
>Haha I am the only person in the entire world not fooled by all this "evidence". Only I know the truth.
You know who else thinks like you? All those DAS RITE black hebrew weirdos.
>this one anon is the only person who understands the acturian heresy
no anon, its a very widely understood lore concept in the community, you clearly have just not put much mental effort into understanding it.
Perhaps you could get someone who is better at defending it to stop by.
i can link you a lore video on the topic if you want it explained in more layman's terms
One anon uses a folder for arguments.
One wants me to watch vids
Can't anyone think for themselves anymore?
>Can't anyone think for themselves anymore?
Ironically thats what im trying to get you to do
> By me having others make my arguments I am trying to make you think.
That probably sounded better in your head.
Aren't you the one calling on a single soldier who worshiped his military commander and eventually considered said commander to be a god to serve as your appeal to authority? What kind of severe logical dissonance are you affected with?
The Gaybeards called him dragon born.
> Nice headcanon
I don't know what you want.
I linked to my own post
>because he was shouting like a dragonborn because of wulfhearth sitting on his head
How come he can instinctively know you're Dragonborn but was fooled before? And your changing the argument, before it was that Talos retconned the world, now he clearly didn't, because tye Ghost is allegedly confirming the Heresy
this
Don't reply for me if you're going to say something stupid. That's also not how it works.
"Hjalti" is his birth name even in the new continuity, "Talos" is a title he adopted later in life.
>The breton from Alcaire wasn't Dragonborn and couldn't Shout
Yes. And then he did some trolling and rewrote his past to say he was an atmoran who could. Or more precisely, just left an artifact that would do it for him after he died.
If Tiber retconned reality then he was a Nord who could. If he did that nobody could know.
Arguably. I'm talking from an external point of view. For someone actually in the setting, Tiber WAS Atmoran, in every way that actually matters.
>Hjalti" is his birth name even in the new continuity,
No it isn't
Pocket Guide says his named was Talos from birth
>And then he did some trolling and rewrote his past to say he was an atmoran who could.
Then why doesn't the ghost calls him Talos?
pocket guide is written by some dumbass imperial schmuck, imagine using that as your source
It's an in-game source detailing the widespread story of Talos
Are you trolling?
>because they proclaimed him talos after they won the battle
No he wasn't you dumb homosexual, Talos was his name, only the Arcturian Heresy says he got the name after, you simple-languaged mongrel-mulatto-apeoidic Black person, if you're arguing that Talos retconned the world he'd have retconned his name to always have been Talos
thats why the only person who would know his true name would be the ghost of his old friend, you fricking bozo
Not if he altered reality to affect the past, moron
>why did his descendants instead use the name "Septim"?
Because that's the name he adopted you stupid ape
>The Bretons of High Rock saw things differently. In 2E 854, a Reachman nightblade managed to kill Emperor Cuhlecain and slit Talos' throat.[3] While the wound did not kill him, he could no longer use the Voice and went on to command Tamriel with a whisper. He took the Cyrodilic name Tiber Septim, as well as "Ysmir, the Dragon of the North", the Nordic Name of Kings.[3][8]
>Not if he altered reality to affect the past, moron
dead souls arent a part of this reality anymore, they're not in mundus so they werent affected by it. thats why hes the only one who knows, thats why its called Old hroldan inn not Old Hjalti Inn, because the truth was wiped from REALITY but not UNREALITY
>dead souls arent a part of this reality anymore
But ghosts are, they are deceased souls tied to the mortal plane
>thats why its called Old hroldan inn not Old Hjalti Inn
Why would it ever be called Hjalti Inn? Hroldan was the place
>Hjalti early beard shows up, and wins a battle by appearing to shout down enemy walls with a storm over his head
>people see this and think hes dragonborn
BEHIND THE SCENES
>hjalti met with wulfhearth, who agreed to ally with him, and uses his power a dragonborn to appear as a storm over hjalit's head in the aformentioned battle.
since nobody in Hjali's army knew about Wulfhearth making Hjaliti look like a buff ass dragonborn, they think he REALLY is dragonborn
thats why he calls him that anon
I can understand that, but
a) That would mean Talos never really retconned reality, which is weird because apparently he can do it (Cyrodiil)
b) For some reason, Ghostie instinctively know you're Dragonborn, but couldn't with Hjalti
>That would mean Talos never really retconned reality, which is weird because apparently he can do it (Cyrodiil)
this was done with the healp of wulfheath again, this was just the thuum freezing away jungles. in heimskirs speech you hear
"MY BREATH IS LOOOOOOOOONG WINTER, I BREATHE NOW IN ROYALTY AND RESHAPE THIS LAND WHICH IS MINE"
>b) For some reason, Ghostie instinctively know you're Dragonborn, but couldn't with Hjalti
because again. the ghost didnt know about wulfhearth, so he associates hjalti with the power of wulfhearth, but this is just what tiber septim wanted for his image.
Talos/Tiber Septim didn't retcon reality by himself. Tiber used the Numidium to rewrite reality, which allowed him to ascend to godhood as Talos.
He didn’t retcon Cyrodiil, he set up a Reality Marble, which is why the guards look Gondorian within, but the moment you step outside into one of the other provinces they go back to being Roman
Damn, it's pretty convenient that the guy who betrayed Ysmir and lost his ability to Shout has his throat slit in a scandalous assassination, so he'd never have to prove to anyone in the global community that he has the ability to Shout! This Tiber guy really has the gods' favor!
next your gonna say stupid shit like "wow isnt it CUHRAZEE how macafees hotel was completely demolished after he died" or "wow isnt it CUHRAZEE that the cameras were off when epstein was killed" or "wow isnt it CUHRAZEE that hitler was half-israeli and a third of his top brass were israeli and he was funded by israeli americans and ww2 led directly to the foundation of israel" or some other moronic schizo bullshit
None of that supports your argument though
What about when Tiber fought Cyrus and shouted at him? That was long after his throat was supposedly slit
Not canon.
Me thinks the shitskin doth protest to much. Tell me, if his name was ALWAYS Talos, why did his descendants instead use the name "Septim"?
The pocket guides are why the unreliable narrator is a necessity in TES.
>Then why doesn't the ghost calls him Talos?
because they proclaimed him talos after they won the battle
READ THE FRICKING LORE
hjalti with the help of ysmir wulfhearth, take the appearence of a godlike man, and win the day, he is proclained "Talos Stormcrown!" after the victory and is called such afterwards. just like in skyrim the civil war has you named Ice-veins after a battle etc.
>Pocket Guide says his named was Talos from birth
Written by cultist morons. It doesn't even make sense. If he was always Talos, his empire would be called the Talos empire not the Septim empire. It was a non familial name he adopted to reflect his power, that's why it has "crown" in it.
>Then why doesn't the ghost calls him Talos?
He was using his mortal name
>Written by cultist morons
Who spread the narrative Talos wanted, ie the one he'd have retconned the world to
>his empire would be called the Talos empire not the Septim empire
Read the lore, he adopted the name Tiber Septim after Cuchulain died and he assumed the throne
>It was a non familial name he adopted to reflect his power, that's why it has "crown" in it.
Again, read the lore. Talos means Stormcrown in Atmoran
He was goven the honorific Talos Stormcrown by the Nord mercenaries he led after he shouted the doors off a castle
But that's only in the Heresy, in the Orthodoxy that was his birth name
It does not have to be one or the other though. The only reasonyou wouldvlaim that is because you are a fan of the heresy theory.
If your arguing for the Heresy, yes it does
Relying on circular logic is not a recipe for success. No wonder the heresy supporters struggle to get their point across.
You don't know what circular logic means
For the Heterodoxy to make sense it has to be one or the other
>heresy supporters
I'm arguing against you moron
They're a bunch of little homosexuals who want to end their existence and join the aedra so they piss and moan about how shit the world is and take it out on us Nord chads.
Like all gnostics, they hate themselves and project their self loathing onto all of reality. Personally, I like existing.
They're homosexual elves and will get the elfgrinder
life as a bodiless spirit was so boring that countless took the chance of existing as literally anything else
Well mostly because they seem to exist just to be the elder scrolls version of the enclave in the whole nazi-like faction deal.
They're good villains but you didn't get many chances to do anything to them or try to run them out of skyrim. Should have been able to ally with them or take them out.
They are cool imo. High Elves ARE a powerful race and culture. They do not owe anything to the empire of man, so when that empire starts to crumble with no living Septim heir and the chaos of the Oblivion crisis, they make their attempt at taking over. Tamriel used to be ruled by elves and two of the biggest movers and shakers (Pelinal Whitestrake and Tiber Septim/Talos) used cheater godhacks to violently usurp power. If I was a high elf in Summerset, with my long life, high intelligence, and the wisdom that comes with that pairing, along with my highborn genes well-kept through centuries of eugenics, I would think it reasonable to try to reshape Tamriel in our image. Lord knows the beastfolk, wood elves, and humans aren't doing shit with it.
The problem is that the high elves are kind of aloof and not normally interested in conquering, so the push they needed came in a militant authoritarian supremacist faction. This is where the Thalmor lose 90% of players. most people know the setting through the eyes of the Dragonborn, who is given absolutely zero reason to sympathize with the Thalmor. Nords, Redguards, and Imperials are actively at war with the dominion, Khajiits and even other Elves have more reason to resist occupation than have loyalty to the Dominion alliance. The only dragonborn I could see siding with the Thalmor would be a high elf Zealot or some short-sighted dimwitted Merc. But even then the game doesn't let you roleplay or side with them which I think is a shame. Sometimes a villain faction is a villain faction for gameplay and simplicity's sake.
oh and Tes4Oblivion players are gonna be pissed all their championing in Cyrodil got undone by the Great War.
your picrel just gave me an awesome idea for an ss inspired uniform change for the Thalmor
It's going to be procgen slop
>Daggerfall but worse
starfield should've been an elder scrolls game tbh
elder scrolls in space would've been so kino, the lore for it is there in landfall and CODA
>landfall and CODA
battlespire was set on a space station
Are you not aware that C0DA was just fanfiction?
it was made canon in ESO, its referenced in book 37 of vivecs sermons
You know the Sermons are literally in-universe fanfiction written by Vivec himself, right? And that, even in ESO, Sotha Sil calls out Vivec for being incredibly full of shit?
believe what you will, but landfall is coming anon.
Kuhlman got the boot. That dream is dead.
Referenced?
Exactly how, he asks knowingly?
AMARANTH
Amaranth isn't part of coda.
That came after the comic.
They've always described their worlds as simulations. It's part of the design goal.
Who the frick plays elder scrolls for the story? Like this is a legit question. I've never met anyone who plays for the story. It's always some kind of sandbox to dick around in til you get bored. You might do an entire side quest line but no one cares about main story shit
Some people loregay it
But that isn't the same as story
its deep lore on the same level of tolkien, you'd have to be a simpleton to not find it interesting
>its deep lore on the same level of tolkien
sorry, Deeper level than tolkien, LOTR is just one guy's work
One guy more talented at world building than everyone that worked in TES combined
It doesn't help that a lot of the people that worked there are a net negative on total talent
>Nooooooo, the Crystal Tower was never made of crystal! It was just poetically crystalline!
I was thinking about that lately, trying to retcon the PGE Altmer into non-existence through the old misinterpretation excuse was a very odd decision from the ESO devs, considering that the PGE1's Altmer commentator whose entire purpose is pointing out and debunking the worst of the imperial propaganda takes no issue at all with its description of the Summerset Isles, in fact he even soft-confirms that Altmer names are indeed just serial numbers.
>excuse was a very odd decision from the ESO devs
It was just lazyness
>in fact he even soft-confirms that Altmer names are indeed just serial numbers.
He could've been just so baffled by the claims that he didn't respond, because he literally doesn't wrote a note in any of them; not about altmer being highly eugenic, killing 9 of 10 babies, having as high fertility as a human (which is contradicted by barenziah's book)
I'm talking about the letter to his uncle in the preface. He says this:
>Father, blessed be his name's numeric mystery,
Clearly implying that there is some truth to the claim that Altmer names are numeric in nature.
Was Direnni Tower built by the Direnni family of High Rock?
Is Snow-Throat an esophageal opening?
Walk-Brass is no tower, yet a Tower it remains.
Names are funny things, anon.
>Was Direnni Tower built by the Direnni family of High Rock?
They took ownership of it
>Is Snow-Throat an esophageal opening?
It's the throat of the world because it's where Kyne breathed life into Men
>Walk-Brass is no tower, yet a Tower it remains.
It is a tower. It towers over everything
>Names are funny things, anon.
Yeah, and theynneed to make sense
It's just something you pick up by osmosis as a result of playing the game. As Bethesda hater #1, even I did and use it to shitpost occasionally.
Gates to hell opening and dragons appearing don't require much exposition. They are good at moving things along.
Literally no one
>but muh deep lore!
If you know the lore well enough, then you don't play the games for it, you tolerate them
This 'too cool to care about gaming' attitude is cancer. 'yeah, frick it man, I just want the sandbox man, all I need. Whoa, ragdoll physics? Whoa man. Yeah, cut the silly story shit out dude, I just want to slap a goblin and watch him fly across the screen. Nothing else like it. Sweet nectar. Love me some sandboxes. Push a button, character slaps an npc, they make a sound effect, trigger an animation and an alert mode, other sound effects trigger, yeah man, gets my heartrate going that's for sure. Why would I want a game to render sound effects in sequence with events to siggestion sole sort of motivational narrative surrounding my actions or the actions of any npc including boss characters? Just give me that sandbox man, I want to jump on a horse and watch an npc swing at me and miss. Love these bethesda sandboxes brother, so much to do, so much that can be done. I could equip this arrow and shoot this guy in the head and everyone freaks out. Look, all of them enter an animation state and trigger sound effects simultaneously. Love these sandboxes. So much sand.'
Frick you.
Read a book if you want to read a book.
Unironically read a novel series.
I don't care, I just want the games to not be complete trash.
>especially Mankar Camoran?
Did people actually like Mankar?
He's the least interesting main villain in TES.
OP said lorelets dont reply.
seriously though i hate that the writers have a clear bias towards humans. Like it's so uninteresting to have the humans win constantly can we see elves win just once?
We'll see with dreadwolf I bet. Shame about the writing team getting kicked out
what did mankar's cult have to do with elves other than himself being one
no i wasn't talking about him i was just speaking generally about TES world
nothing besides maybe it helping with his enlightenment. since elves are more aware of their situation relative to the gods, but its far more about the spreading of the idea that Lorkhan is a Daedric prince (the daedric prince of hope) and that his minions (the aedra) have been tricking mortals into worshiping them rather than their master because their jealous cucks
The writers actually love elves more than humans. Humans have done jack shit. The last time Nords did something cool, it was coming down from Atmora and slaughtering a relatively defenseless population (Falmer) by being a surprise invasion force. They got their asses kicked at Red Mountain by one (1) Chimer.
The Redguards have a notch in their belt because they ran away from the end of their kalpa and got to live in the next kalpa. That’s right. The black humans were so fast and so unwilling to accept things like “natural laws” they escaped the end of the world. They have done nothing since then.
The Imperials created a god… by lying to literally everyone that Tiber Septim was a god in the first place. After their lie was figured out, they stole the Numidium and rewrote history so Tiber could be Talos. They had to use elftech to do it.
The Bretons are rape babies and play political checkers while the grown up elves play chess.
Dwemer gone
Ayelids gone
Falmer corrupted
Orsimer corrupted
Chimer corrupted
Altmer have just pissed off the Nords and that historically doesn't end well for mer.
Bosmer Nobody cares
The facts in evidence do not support your conclusion.
just because they arent mary sues dosent mean they dont get the majority of the lore written about them.
>Ayelids gone
There are surviving Ayelids living in Valenwood and Summerset Isles.
Don't let the Menfools know!
Camoran was a filthy fricking Bosmer, the Ayelids are dead, and so help me if your source is ESO I WILL shit yourself.
Even in ESO, I'm pretty sure the only "living" Ayleids are champions murderzombies of Meridia, same as Umaril the Unfeathered in Knights of the Nine
The only thing that I have seen that mentions Ayelids post ass whooping is the survivors blended in with other merrish groups and got assimilated.
There are no known pure blood Ayelids left.
That would be believable, if not for the fact that they and Altmer are obsessed with eugenics and racial purity. And they live, on average, a 1000 years, more with the help of magic.
They could add a group of pure blood Ayelids at some point without breaking lore.
That being said there are still no known pureblood Ayelids left.
>slaughtering a relatively defenseless population (Falmer) by being a surprise invasion force
Yes, those poor Falmer dindu nuffin.
There was an entire era called the Merethic era
literally the most interesting villain in video games
Mankar was fricking dope, mf ended the line of Dragonborn emperors, carved out his own plane of existence in Oblivion, summoned Mehrunes Dagon onto Nirn and lit every province on fire
As opposed to Dagoth and Alduin that barely touched outside their respective province
its all about waiting for the vore mods and jiggle physics to come after the game is out.
honestly not interested unless its Skyrim 2 with twice the map size, twice the quests, better gfx with ENB, runs at 144fps on a 1080ti and never crashes.
oh and $15 on steam or i'll just pirate it.
Lorkhan is just a scammer who scammed a bunch of freeloaders and other scammers. But he was smart enough to have a contingency(hate the player not the game). All non High races are subhuman golems purposefully degenerated through the earth bones in order to be the pawns of power hungry aedra/daedra. The Aedra are stuck between rock and a hard place being forced to use shards of Lorkhan as their mortal agents(men). Eventually this will backfire to resurrect Lorkhan and they will all be burning in their own feces for eternity while being tortured.
Elves did nothing wrong other than be massive fricking crybaby sissies. When the aforementioned happens, Men will be free and elves will be able to frick off wherever and do whatever magic shit they want.
This is a daily reminder that Akatosh is a frick and everything actually revolves around aedra manipulativing everyone to fight eachother so they can stay in power usurping lorkhan for just a little but longer(because they are that pathetic
And to
KILL DRAGONS, BEHEAD DRAGONS, ROUNDHOUSE KICK DRAGONS, SLAM DUNK DRAGON BABIES INTO THE TRASHCAN, CRUCIFY FILTHY DRAGONS, DEFACATE IN A DRAGONS FOOD.
yeah yeah yeah but Meridia is hot so i need to worship her
>being forced to use shards of Lorkhan as their mortal agents
lore on this
mortals have souls
why are they forced to use humans?
they aren't
see
They use elves to a lesser extent too, because some of those entities which weren't lorkhan were also sundered(but not to as great an extent or totally). But since elves aren't as connected to Nirn as humans, also have some godly stewardship and protection. So they haven't been degenerated as much(but I'd they had the ability I'm sure they would try). I wouldn't be surprised if Thalmor was an inside job to frick them over in ways they can and keep them in the plantation.
lorkhan is the daedric prince of mortality hence mortals have a bit of his power and its what the other Deadra desperately want, since it lets them enact their will in his realm of oblivion (nirn)
>Tanriel Ae Daedroth
imagine unironically drinking the Dagon Koolaid
>everything he is associated with has free will or mortality
UM ACHTUALLY HES NOT THE DAEDRIC PRINCE OF FREE WILL AND MORTALITY
counter argument, now
Aedra and Daedra only ever had a line drawn between them based on Lorkhans trickery.
>"As that line was drawn ACKHUALLY LORKHAN WAS ON OUR SIDE SO DAGON SHOULD RULE TAMRIEL."
Literally the mad ramblings of a cult leader whose demiplane of "paradise" gets unmade from existence along with him.
screencapped this. it makes so much sense now. Hopefully you're not talking out your ass
this. Elves are more interesting but the gods do seem to favor the humans.
based. I hear you dude. I love the elder scrolls for the story its like the ultimate form of entertainment media. and I hate midwit homosexuals like the one you responded to.
hmm. You know, you've got my noggin joggin. And not in a good way. Jygallag being completely absent from Skyrim always rubbed me the wrong way. I'm starting to think Sheo drove the Champion of Cyrodil completely insane and tucked him away out of the picture. Which is sad because I like the CoC. His comments about the questlines feels like an obvious nod though and I dont see why he would feel the need to misdirect the Dragonborn/ keep up the lie. so idk.
continued even tho the discussion has moved on from Thalmor/high elves;
one thing everybody seems to miss about the Thalmor is that they were cut and dry hinted at during Morrowind. If you ask, I think its certain Dark Elves, their opinion on the High Elf race, they will tell you that the Altmer are kinda scary because they are aloof to the point of being detatched, like they have a nihilistic view of their relationship with the world, the gods, and the empire. Eugenics, lack of empathy, hatred of existence ensues.
It makes sense then that they would fall victim to a faction like the Thalmor.
The Dark Elves are fascinatingly different though. I guess spiritualism and blind faith in Veloth then Boethiah then the Tribunal then Boethiah again keeps them form the natural Elven path to nihilism. If we look at the Telvanni, the least religious group of Dunmer, they frick off to dangerous amoral Wizard Towers. Their culture is essentially the same as the Altmer. Elves need purpose like Redoran or temple adherents have.
>screencapped this. it makes so much sense now. Hopefully you're not talking out your ass
watch the video in the OP, it is the direct source on alot of this, also this dialogue is worth a listen
So Camoran was telling the truth?
I can buy that. I remember him monologuing before the fight now. Whats in it for him to merge the realms? He hates Julianos and Stendarr so I don't think he's gonna become a god or Earthbone.
Was he just Dagon's top guy? I feel like the Daedric prince of revolution wouldn't believe in stable hierarchies so being his top guy wouldn't have very good job stability.
He seems to have a personal vendetta against the Septims that drove him to get revenge and bring the whole world down with him. I wonder if he really wanted to "liberate" Tamriel or if he just got in with Dagon because they shared the goal of undoing the Septims.
1st question. Why did Mankar hate the Septims? Didn't his dad or ancestor fight the empire at one point? Or does his Ayleid blood still boil over the very first god-gifted empire of man? That had nothing to do with the Septims tho
2nd question, did the oblivion crisis hit Atmora and Akaviir? or did the portals just spring up in Tamriel? Like was it a Mundus-wide dimensional merge or was it military action with intent on Cyrodil? WHy did portals open up in Summerset and Blackmarsh anyway, why not focus and zerg rush the important locations in Cyrodil?
WAIT HOLY SHIT the an-xileel rebellion and the Talmor takeover of Summerset must've been secondary motivations for Dagon. Maybe he couldn't help himself but light powderkegs in those provinces.
>Was he just Dagon's top guy?
chortled at this idea but basically yes
>1st question. Why did Mankar hate the Septims? Didn't his dad or ancestor fight the empire at one point? Or does his Ayleid blood still boil over the very first god-gifted empire of man?
i think its the later, he always thinks and talks on the larger scale, so i think hes anti-human only because hes anti-lorkhan, but hes only anti lorkhan because he dosent do anything about his situation. so its more coming from a point of frustration with lorkhan.
>2nd question, did the oblivion crisis hit Atmora and Akaviir? or did the portals just spring up in Tamriel?
we dont know, but it may hav been localized to tamirel, again tho, we dont know.
>WHy did portals open up in Summerset and Blackmarsh anyway, why not focus and zerg rush the important locations in Cyrodil?
because theres cults to dagon all over, and because it would be hard to make Skyrim if the world was destroyed.
>WAIT HOLY SHIT the an-xileel rebellion and the Talmor takeover of Summerset must've been secondary motivations for Dagon. Maybe he couldn't help himself but light powderkegs in those provinces.
possible but i think that is moreso them just seeing on opportunity in the chaos
Dagon was going after Towers. Crystal-Like-Law collapsed in Summerset during the Oblivion Crisis, but the Altmer used bullshittery to pull another Crystal Tower from another plane of existence to replace the one they lost. The invasion of Black Marsh was probably to control the Hist, which absolutely 100% should be destroyed by ANYONE that isn't an Argonian. FRICK the Hist.
What's so bad about the dragons beside them being flying scheming israelites with destructive Black person mentality?
They smell
They do crime
They're ugly
Also they stole my bike
Lorkhan and Akatosh are the same person
Isn't everyone in TES just one guy?
Which I hate because it makes Lorkhan the center of the universe in 2 ways instead of just one.
It is a rip off ofHindu Mysticism. Chim is a knockoff of Moksha which is the knowledge we are all the product of a sleeping gods dream. This leads to understanding we are all god. Which in its final form you come to the epiphany "You are god"
That may be what you are thinking
Only partially true, nirn is a much lower level than the actual dreamer. So you are right, but wrong about it being Lorkhan. Or that the distinction between individual aedra or deadra is irrelevant.
Nirm is the dreamer.
From writings on Moksha.
To know Moksha is to know you can move mountains.
To understand Moksha is to knowyou are just moving a finger.
There is no lesser or greater There is only the dreamer.
Small brain, you understand nothing. It's as if you don't even get why division took place to begin with. I'll wait until you think things through.
>This is your mind on skooma and aedra
If that were the case then they would have never been referred as separate distinct entities, or there be confusion about their identity. Nor would anyone in their right mind say lorkhan is dead if he was Akatosh. Remember, Akatosh only has partial power over causality and time; Not nirn itself, if he did then he wouldn't need to dick around and do virtually everything in such a roundabout fashion. Its the reason he props up the empire and uses agents.
Kirkbride personally told me back in 1977 in a postcard using magic marker that Lorkhan and Akatosh are the same
>the altmer get wiped out by big N
l m a o
Main antagonist of TESVI is going to be a vengeful reborn Trinimac (Malacath unbirthed himself by entering his own anus) leading a great host of Altmer to siege and destroy Ada-Mantia, the only ones standing in their way are the Chorus, a cult of ultra-Sword Singers who have bided their time living in the ruins of Yokuda, and the now-godless Orcs who have revealed Great Orichalc which is actually the entire city of Orsinium forged into the head of a continent-sized warhammer (it will be used to cave Trinimac's skull in). In the finale of the game, Ada-Mantia will launch into space as Nirn collapses beneath it.
screenshotting this so i can daydream about this scenario
kirkbride get off Ganker
Here and reddit is all he has left. Kuhlman getting the boot has left him without an in at Bethesda.
if malacath wanted to unbirth himself shouldnt he have to got through boethiahs anus
This. Also why shouldn't he eat her while he's passing through her anus?
Boethiah = Trinimac
No, current boethian is usurping trinimac. Malacath is the remnant but the core. Think of things in a more detached way and what both represent. Trinimac is the most masculine, martial, a god of war, sturggle, order, the law, duty and truth. Boethian usurped him through deceit, scheming and lies. Now the current eleven culture are all effeminate homosexuals who are worse at melee and prefer to be subversive ploters. Think how morag tong is the way they arbitrate law in morrowind as opposed to a constabulary or something out in the open.
It's symbolic, it represents a change in their culture through degeneration(orchestrated by Boethian) which supplanted his place in their culture. Leaving him a pariah and outcast exile. It's the same reason Orc are big on honor and self sufficiency.
What would you do as the executive branch and their families if one day some rabble trousers, rogues and criminals denounce you and seize power? Boethian littleraly spiritually castrated all elves(lmaoing at their life).
moron
did pic related let you borrow his drug coffin?
If Orihalcum is associated with orcs, why was the Orihalcum tower in Yokuda? Have they ever addressed a connection between Orcs and Redguard?
Skyrim devs thought that the world orichalc sounded vaguely like "Orc", so they retconned It into a green metal that the Orcs suddenly make all their stuff out of, despite the fact that all mentions of It in previous lore were in connection to Yokuda and the Redguards
kino praise be to kirkride C0da is CANON
why is Tes lore so fricking insane sometimes
because drugs are bad, m'kay?
Elder Scrolls is to Mahabharata what Kojima is to Tom Clancy.
How far in the lore do I have to go to understand this meme?
talos is 3 people, Tiber septim/Hjalti early beard (breton), Zurin Actus(imperial), and Ysmir Wulfhearth (nord)
They combined their souls in the mantella to create the god talos, as they mantled lorkhan.
>Hjalti early beard (breton),
>Nord clan name that even lived in Skyrim
>BUT LE BORN IN HIGH ROCKE THOUGHMAYHAPS????
Stop it already you FRICKING REDDIT Black person.
Bretons are Mer rabebaies. They aren't even human.
>The Bretons of Alcaire see Tiber Septim as Hjalti Early-Beard, native to the island kingdom of High Rock. They believe Tiber Septim was a Breton. General consensus holds that not only was Tiber Septim not a descendant of Reman, but that he wasn't even of Cyrodiilic stock.
tiber septim is described as being half a head shorter than a dark elf. that's a breton trait
>wulfharth
Nah frick the Arcturian Heresy, Talos is only two people hence, the Enantiomorph
so to get this straight
Lorkhan = demiurge who tricked other demiruge to support his material prison planet
pretty much, though his minious (the aedra {they're just daedra}) then got so jelly of him stealing their power that they ripped him apart, but he already was the world so it didnt even matter at that point. and now they're crying about it
So aedra were demoted to archons while the daedra have their own prison realms in oblivion
correct
Material and "spiritual" aren't as antagonistic as you imagine. Nirn is just as much a realm of oblivion as any other place. The rules are just different(in the same way realms of oblivion have their own rule). Lorkhan wanted to share part of his realm because he was bored but he knew that others would try to take advantage of it or not be content with him having the most dominon, let alone pay for tickets(it's his fricking house). So it's more like he knew he knew things were gonna go south but eternity would stay stale so he did it anyways.
what exactly is a mortal/soul then?
manifestation of lowers spirits?
It depends, I'm not 100% knowledgeable about everything in the lore and the nuanced stuff is not explicitly stated. But generally speaking, souls(at least in nirn) were usually once part of larger oversouls(all the way up to God categories). I'm sure that souls can manifest and develop on their own from the ground up too, under circumstance(in the same way that men can achieve godhood rarely). But this isn't really talked about much.
Also remeber this is just a kusoge
souls or Anuic animus' are just that, fragments of What is Anu/Anui-El the original beneficent deity
so they are trying to use primordial remains to empower their own dominions?
which is why they want mortal champions?
They want champions so the player has something to do. Don't overthink it.
>Dont think
brainlet
Dragons bad
How much exposition do you need?
It is pretty self-explanatory.
are they though?
Yes.
Ask Paarth. He tells you the Blades are wise to not trust him. He tells you to not trust dragons.
I don't think itcould be any more evident when the goodest dragon tells you to not trust him.
When someone tells you who they are believe than.
and you say lore dosent matter
I knew dragons were bad before I spoke with Paarth.
i didnt, i heard them talk during the first 2 fights and wondered if they were an enslaved race or somthing
You couldn't figure out if the flying murder machines trying to kill everyone were bad guys?
You are pretty easy to fool aren't you?
evil and good dont actually exist anon, i hope you're smart enough to understand this.
entities want.
and wants can conflict.
You know video games aren't real life correct?
> Trues to engage in philosophical discussion.
I am just here to kill dragons and run every guild.
you are a simpleton then, you're a useful idiot, but do try to stretch your brain in future
yes, because its a finite and extraordinarily valuable resource, the only times new souls are created is when someone is born and a new soul comes down from the Dreamsleeve to them
they're all thats left over from Anui-El before he fricked off from this kalpa when his wife Padomay killed their kid
Make evil mer with evil plan.
There you have matched Ur an Camoran
>an ancient evil reawakens
what Starfield and Fallout 4 tech will be reskinned with fantasy theme?
>Daedric power armor
it will run on soul gems or sigil stones or something
maybe Starfield's spaceahip combat for naval combat or even airships?
>Get to go to the daedric worlds!
>Loading screens everywhere
If you turn Dwemer armor into power armor there may be a reason to use it. Well other than to walk around like a giant bronze tard that is.
>dwemer space marine armor
ill take it.
What abomination is that?
LORKHAN MACHINES SON
His machine looks goofy as frick. I want Dwemer power armor but not if it trying to look goofy. Normal dwemer armor fills that niche quite nicely already.
thats a mod, but dwemer do use that bright blue Aetherius shard magic for shit, so thats kinda a mainstay for advanced dwemer tech.
>”Religion is bad,” said Lord Kagrenac as he gripped Sunder and Keening while wearing Wraithguard. “Mortals should be free to follow their reason, and by reason I mean creating a Tower that causes my entire race to Zero Sum and manifest in a constructed reality of our own design.”
The second half was the ACK moment
Modders ruin everything.
i'm half convinced the starborn nonsense is just BGS trying to get a head start on programming TES6 magicka. Funnily enough, the one mechanic that would have fit really well in TES was junk scrapping from FO4, but they removed that in Starfield.
I think there's a lot that can be learned on the direction they plan to take from looking at ESO, or rather what ISN'T in ESO. ESO team has to get approval for everything they do from Bethesda, normally Bethesda just greenlights everything since they really don't give a shit what happens with any of these provinces lorewise. One instance where they put their foot down and said no was when zenimax wanted to make a dlc exploring the fate of the dwemer. Bethesda shut them down and it got turned into a clockwork city dlc instead. The question remains, why would Bethesda take such a strong stance on this? It should be obvious to everyone at this point that bethesda could not give any less of a shit about the lore, world-building, or even what the fans want. I think the only logical reason they would object in this case, is because its something they themselves plan to explore in TES6. TES6 will see the return of the dwemer to the Hammerfell, and the triumph of redguard martial tradition to dwemer steambitchery nerdshit.
>NOOO BUT THE HECKERINOING LORE
>meanwhile actual gameplay
>low quality slap fight against humanoid]
>HURGH
>BRAUGH
>WHY WON'T YOU DIE
>low quality slap fight against humanoid]
>HURGHURGHURGHURGH
>I FOUGHT MUD-GRUHAH
if i wanted gameplay id play mordhau or hellsplit arena
>doesnt play for the gameplay
then go read a book homie
I AM homie
Are still on the Heresy thing?
If it's not true, none of it's parts fit the few actual evidence we have. Zurin Arctus is the Underking. The Enantiomorph is desconto as them both, twin headed israeliteel of conquest
There's literally nothing on the world that proves the existence of the Ash-King
oh lol that was just a random book image off google.
sheesh you're obsessed
One anon still believes it is a thing.
besides me theres maybe 2 other people who helped proved you wrong
Sure.
Which of you explained how the ghost thinking you are Hjalti proves Hjalti wasn't dragonborn?
> The guy that showed Hjalti recognized the soul he had never seen before.
That means the dumb is spreading.
you're the one who got stuck on the soul concept. its not even necessary to understand why the ghost would recognize wulfhearth's second coming
Yes I am wondering how the ghost could recognize something he had never seen.
Your contention is he remembers Wulf but calls him Hjalti proving you correct. The troublr is tgere is not a shredofevidence to back up that conclusion. Nothing. Nada. Zip
Your entire argument boils down "For my point to be true this has to be true so it must be true "
Without corroboration it is a useless argument. That is why I ignore it. It is beneath contempt.
>how the ghost could recognize something he had never seen.
hes seen wulfhearth power before when Hjalti was Stormcrown
>Your contention is he remembers Wulf but calls him Hjalti proving you correct. The troublr is tgere is not a shredofevidence to back up that conclusion. Nothing. Nada. Zip
>Your entire argument boils down "For my point to be true this has to be true so it must be true "
also howabout the fact that the arctician heresy is in skyrim? if it wasnt true, and was old fanfic theory, they would not have put it in the game to begin with
How did he see Wulfs soul when he was alive?
he felt his divine power since Wulfhearth was dragonborn. just like the greybeards when you walk into high hrothgar. they know ur dragonborn before you say a word
a minute in
A dragonborn appears in this age.
Now prove it is you
Did you even watch it?
did you?
>show us dragonborn, that you have the thu'um
he calls him dragonborn twice before he even speaks
No he doesnt.
Gaybeard A dragonborn appears in the age.
Player I am answeing your summons
Gaybeard Prove it
0:46
*looking at you*
so a DRAGONBORN appears
1:00
show us DRAGONBORN
cope
Yes they know a dragonborn has appeared.
They make you prove it is you.
they call you a dragonborn at 1:00 before you even use the thu'um.
they dont say
>"show us if you're the dragonborn"
they say
>"Show us DRAGONBORN, if you have the thu'um.
its actually better than that, they say "let us taste of your voice"
they already know you have the thu'um before you speak
Is that why he said "we will see if you truly have the gift" just before?
the gift of the voice aye, not dragonblood. that is self evident to them, clearly.
Yes they knew a dragonborn had appeared.
It wasn't even slightly complicated. How are you not understanding that conversation? The fact you left the part about them unsure if you are the dragonborn because it ruins your point is all the proof I need to know you don't even believe what you are saying.
i didnt include it because i didnt want to type it out
but i dont need that to disprove you. because if you dont shout for the greybeards when they ask you to they say this
>"Do not be afraid. Your Shout will not harm us." or "Shout at us, and let us taste of your Voice." or "Strike us with the power of your Voice."
why would they say that if they didn't know anon?
Why would they ask you to prove you are the dragonborn that has appeared before they start training you?
Dunno.
they arent asking you to prove you're dragonborn, they wanna know if you have the voice. thats what their whole cult is about, thats what they wanna know
> They aren't asking you to prove you are dragonborn. They are asking you to prove you can shout.
That probably made sense in your head.
martin septim didnt have the voice anon, the greybeards wouldent have cared about him like they care about us. it makes total sense. they want to teach the voice to somone with the gift of the voice, not just any dragonborn guy
If mental gymnastics was an Olynoic event you would be on the medal podium.
counter argument NOW anon, or i accept your capitulation
What am I suppised to be countering?
Martin showed no sign of the voice. You got something right for once
exactly, thats why the greybeards ask the dragonborn to prove he has the voice, they're not asking him to prove hes dragonborn, they can already tell he has the blood of akatosh.
????
Are you trying to make stupid arguments? You are succeding.
im not hearing any counter arguments and im seeing alot of sperging tho
I don't actually know how to counter arguments that stupid.
>namecalling
first sign of a lost argument
lorelets having a melty
Blood? I thought it was just the soul? Even OG emperors were only gifted most those powers no?
>A Dragonborn (or Dovahkiin in Dragon Language) is a mortal blessed with the Blood and soul of a dragon by Akatosh
anon...
I this case we are both right, I simply only remembered part of it. Been a long time.
You were wrong however about the Arcturian Heresy, Talos was 3 people. and i hope the evidence above has convinced you, if not then maybe it educated wiser people in this thread...
I'm not that guy. I could care less whether or not they used three or one jellies to fill one talosbot. As it doesn't change much in the grand scheme of things.
indeed it does not, however its a far more compelling narrative, and far more realistic. and it also explains why talos has so much in common with Lorkhan, since he was a trickster in the end.
As I said before the geresy being in gamemakes ot worthy of discussion. It being wrong and having absolutely zero corroboration makes it a short one.
apperently not because you're losing this argument and it started over an hour ago
> I have declared victory so you have to stop proving me wrong.
No
>the ghost thinking you are Hjalti proves Hjalti wasn't dragonborn?
no one said this, the point is that it doesn't prove he was
???
Sees you whether you are Argonian, Khajit, or mer as Hjalti vecause you are dragonborn.
That doesn't prove Hjalti was dragonborn because the ghost thinks the guy that hung around Hjalti is Hjalti for reasons.
Have you even read the arcturian heresy? That series of events is perfectly able to explain why the ghost would have thought hjalti was dragonborn
I don't know why you're still here if you're just going to continue ignoring every response and then restating the same question that has been answered 50 times
Support the heresy without using the heresy.
You are stuck trying to fit lore to suit the heresy instead of fitting the hersy into the lore.
It is a fools errand when every other piece of Lore on the subject in game disputes it.
it dosent dispute it at all, it holds it up because the heresy is meant to be that, a heresy.
if people knew the truth of their god talos the uproar would be immense. it only PROVES the theory more right
Yes.
And?
>lore says winged daughters of Kyne gave men the thu'um at the throat of the world
>skyrim said it was paarthurnax
>first logical conclusion; Paarthurnax and all other dragons are, in fact, female and daughters of Kyne
>second logical conclusion; Akatosh cucked Lorkhan fricking dragonkind into her sopping wet cloud pussy and this is the real reason Lorkhan is such an assmad suicidal homosexual
and people said skyrim lore is bad
>>lore says winged daughters of Kyne gave men the thu'um at the throat of the world
I don't remember that part
Didn't Kyne breathed life herself?
Kyne breathed the Nord's to life, but the thuum itself was taught to men by her daughters source: Varieties of Faith by Mikhael Karkuxor the Self-Inserted
“Skyrim” didn’t say it was Paarthurnax, the Graybeards did because they are fanatical pacifists who follow the Way of the Voice, which is a spiritual philosophy created by a single Nord who got his ass whooped so hard he tried to justify it by embracing sour grapes, and he his feelings nurtured by a Alduin’s second in command who has been playing the long con for total power, having betrayed his older brother AFTER the Last Dragonborn “defeats” the World-Eater (not realizing Alduin’s soul was never absorbed and instead returned to Akatosh’s domain), and is now waiting for the LDB to die, before he begins a reign of terror against a bunch of pussified Nords who have forgotten how to use their divine gifts granted to them by Kyne (who has been reduced to Kynareth by the Imperial Cult).
>Le Paarthurnax Conspiracy Theory
Lorelet
Nice argument (that was sarcasm). Behead all dragons (that was not sarcasm).
Go to bed Delphine, you old c**t
The Dragonborn isn't gonna angryfrick you
If Delphine was half this hot the Paarthurnax question would be a no brainer.
Just being hot wouldn't cut it, she'd need to at least give some head too
>gods would never lie to me
>my stepdad akatosh is good Boi
>lorkhans death was very ambiguous guize
>also forget the fact that Nords and men used to be giant sized and have 100× the spiritual and physical power
Paarthunax didn't invent the Way of the Voice, he was a disciple of it
The tablets at High Hrothgar say Kyne told Paarthurnax to teach the voice to nords
do guns exist in elder scrolls?
No, cannons are occasionally mentioned, but if they do exist it's likely that only Redguards use them, presumably because they don't like magic
not yet, but i bet we'll see then in 6 ngl, too much room for pirate redguards with guns
I need to know whether or not Tiber Septim banged Barenziah.
Everyone banged her, even Jiub.
They don’t, not until they bring back Ken, with Doug to argue with him
>how will they
They won't. They didn't even top Mankar despite hiring more than like six VAs for Skyrim.
>how do you surpass this level of kino
By remembering that even a halfway competent writer is worth $50K a year.
>neckbeards debating Tiber Septim's true identity
gay
the real lore debate is whether or not Alessia took fat bull wiener and therefore birthed every minotaur in Cyrodiil
That's canon, I don't know how anyone could possibly make an argument against this.
Go to bed MK. If you didn't have to make everything degenerate maybe you would still be gainfully employed.
Pelin al Lessia
According to the one painting we have that survived the Merethic Era, yes
"Kill Paarthurnax."
>not Bijin
No dice
"Kill Paarthurnax."
only if you give me a blowjob and dragon tongue my anus
Alright
But Esbern will be the last male Blade
I'm turning you all into concubines/bodyguards. You clearly all suck at intelligence/dragonslaying
>top
bro MOrrowind's the best setting TES ever had and Phil Hines "improvement" was to make Cyrodil generic, boring shit instead of the cool jungle it's supposed to be.
The Bethesda engine cannot handle jungles. It wasn't an improvement, but it was a necessary mechanical choice, especially since the game needed to run on consoles.
I did. Hjalti showed off his powers as dragonborn, because he is dragonborn. We're in agreement. So stop posting.
>I did. Hjalti showed off his powers as dragonborn, because he is dragonborn
again remember he had wulfhearth shouting FOR HIM
hjalti isnt dragonborn so he couldent shout withought wulfhearth there to do it for him.
>The Bethesda engine cannot handle jungles
Then set it in another part? Make one that handles jungles?
>nonsense
bullshit. They had oaks and deer. They could have had palm fronds and monkeys.
Bethesda has made each game they have released simpler and dumber than the last. I was a fan but at this point I can't recommend them to anyone saying
>you have to play this game!
TEs6 will at best be fun enough to rent for a weekend. But it's atleast as likely it will suck and be the worst ES game.
Does everyone agree that Talos is at least two people, Tiber and Zurin?
I don't acknowledge Talos as a diety. He's just some Breton c**t that got lucky.
Only Thalmor supporters and Breton fans think that.
>the prophet is a thalmor supporter
I find that highly unlikely
Who in the frick is the prophet? I don't think there is much I missed in Skyrim and that sounds like something I would have at least heard about secondhand.
Varen Aquilarios
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:The_Prophet
>"I look nordic as frick, pure atmoran ancestry"
definitely not a breton btw
literally the default breton
bretons just look like slightly different imperials
yeah but tiber definitely wasn't an imperial
He was in Morrowind. Morrowind got a lot wrong so don't sweat it.
of course he would choose to appear as an imperial because that's his larp
Invasion of the akaviri into Tamriel and they're led by Nerevarine.
redguards have curved wieners!
I was hoping there would be more porn itt
Why would anyone worship the daedra thy did nothing to make the planet they live on they are moochers
because aedra arent a real thing, they're all daedra
They should make the next ES with Matt Berry. And Todd Barry, why not. Stop spending millions on celebrities to do a copy of a character that was a copy of another character. Fill the whole thing with comedians b***hing nonstop about trivial things.
yea, and they can have Jack Black play Molag Bal
why no qt dwemers?
So many are going to show how they were fools when this happens
dunmer would prob be really chill with talos return.
honestly im not convicned that the Last Dragonborn isnt basically reforming the empire himself by walking in wulfhearth and tibers shoes
>he actually believes Talos is a god
LMAOing @ ur life
he mantled shor/lorkhan, hes as much a god as the champion of cyrodill
The CoC is not a god though.
>You know, I was there for that whole sordid affair. Marvelous time! Butterflies, blood, a Fox, a severed head... Oh, and the cheese! To die for.
He also said he rode narwhales as a child.
Did your CoC ride Narwhales as achild?
> Must have
I am amazed people fell for this lie.
>references every guild quest and the main quest of oblivion, down to being the grey fox somthing only nocturnal would know
>someone this guy is not the CoC
okay anon, whatever you say
Just ignore the narwhale riding thing because frick I didn't realize that was in game. My YouTube guy didn't bring that up.
Yeah the CoC did not become Sheo.
hes the god of madness hes gonna say goofy stuff, but to ignor a blatent obvious clue like that is just ignorance
You
He is crazy and nonsensical and can be ignored
Also you
He is speaking word of god truth how dare you.
when hes making sense you should listen to him, he references Lucian lachance, the grey fox, martin septim, and entering the shivering isles, strait from the champion of cyrodill (now sheo's) mouth. take it or leave it man
Was Martin Septim becoming a dragon hidden knowledge?
Was anything not Daedra related mentioned?
Is there anything there is no possible way any Daedric prince could not know?
anon did you play the shivering isles dlc for oblivion?
Yes.
Why when you attack Sheo do you get dropped from a height to your death but when you are Sheo you have to deal with it?
Why does Sheo have the power to throw moons at Nirn but when you become Sheo the extent of your Daedric powers is to make it rain on the shivering isles once a day?
Why is Jyg in one line from Daggerfall(?) built up as a huge deal in SI and then never heard of again? E$O probably mentioned him but who cares?
It is almost like it was a gag.
because its a videogame, they give you spells to teleport around the isles and a spell to change the weather aswell as a summon haskill spell. but anon do you seriously think you'd be able to throw moons at the end of an elder scrolls questline?
No I did not think they would make me a Daedric prince
okay well everyone in the isles calls you sheogorrath idk what more you want
>37 seconds in
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Sheo told them about the gag. He is in charge so they do what he says.
and dont forget about the fact that you cant sit on the throne of madness untill after you mantle Sheo, untill then, you get a prompt saying
>"Only Sheoggorath may sit on the throne of madness"
I am not sure if serious. I know that is in game game but Sheo letting you sit in his chair is not the overwhelming proof you think it is.
why else would they make you unable to sit in his throne?
they literally took the time to put in a prompt saying that only sheo can sit on it. and after the questline we gain the abuility to
You were actually serious?
yes anon, thrones have real value in the lore, much like how Ysmir(you) can sit on Shor's throne in Skyrim since you're a Shezzarine and a dragonborn
> Sitting on chairs is a big metaphsical deal in TES
Please stop.
How fricking stupid are you?
He has autism, please understand
Not as stupid as "chairs are important" guy.
>thrones have no value in a medieval fantasy setting
i think hes broken guys
A chair based religion is a new take on TES.
Good luck with it.
They call him the buttocksborn sitter on of thrones.
There's no need to even take a look at a fictional series to understand the significance of symbolic positions of power.
Do you know what the Siege Perilous is? It's the 13th seat at Arthur's Round Table that instantly kills anyone except the one single Knight that will be called to successfully complete the quest for the Holy Grail. It's a staple of the Arthurian Cycle, and throughout European canon, thrones represent someone mantling a divine authority.
It's not a religion, it's a physical reference to metaphysical power earned.
I call my toilet a throne. I am not a king.
Also
Arthurian myth has what to do with TES?
I expanded it to include European lore, which is the surface that makes TES approachable before entering Kirkbride's interpretation of the Mahabharata and the Upanishads. I will not reply to you any further because you are clearly not arguing in good faith. Do not reply to me, because you have wasted enough of my time with your incompetence.
that wasent me but the point is that the source material TES pulls from litterally subscribes to the idea of Thrones=Power
Because you are not a king but an autistic moron. Is it the chair that the king sits on, the citadel within which it resides or the loyalty of his retainers? Which is the real throne? Since you're stupid, I'll fricking tell you. It's all 3.
Even if you delete this post, it's too late.
I am ok offending the chair enthusiasts among us.
Does a throne need to be physically or literally a chair? I hate to break it to you but 99% of humanity is a chair enthusiast whether they know it or not.
>Sitting on chairs is a big metaphsical deal in TES
Yes
>can sit on Shor's throne in Skyrim
Nta, but that's bc Bethesda is gay and didn't want to have a grandfatherly, white bearded God sitting a on throne
>In Greek mythology, Talos, also spelled Talus (/ˈteJlɒs/;[1] Greek: Τάλως, Tálōs) or Talon (/ˈteJlɒn, ən/; Greek: Τάλων, Tálōn), was a giant automaton made of bronze to protect Europa in Crete from pirates and invaders.
He mantled jack and shit, the entity referred to and worshipped as Talos was the Numidium
Tiber Septim was a br*ton cuck in a Gundam and I refuse to believe otherwise
honestly if thats the case i wouldn't even be mad, love me some gundums
>Talos was a brass bull who was forged by the god Hephaestus and was given to Minos[5]
And that's why he cucked all the elves
No, it's deeper than that, automaton bronze state? He represents what the new devolved human race(result of earth bones) will be(golems for aedra). As he is simply a way of appeasing humans as opposed to them taking control of their own power or even reviving shor.
it isn't any deeper, he got in the goddamn robot and went around claiming to be a god
everybody else just went along with it because they knew better than to argue with the guy in the giant mech
You don't understand, he took upon himself the name of the construct as his title(it's more of a dogwhistle for those familiar with Greek mythology), so it isn't as simple as him abusing numidium. Also that is an ever bigger indictment for what I'm trying to tell you. As they selfishly and one sidedley tried to use the heart the same way the dwemer did and that is part of his claim to fame. He is no different from aedra usurpers.
>he actually believes aedra aren't daedra
>he actually believes daedra are gods or worth being worshiped
>he actually believes he can't improve his lot in life
>he will never achieve chim either
At least humans have the excuse of being literally degenerated they fall for such dumb shit. Meanwhile you do it for free and the even bigger joke is "gods" will still cuck out to humies because they need them on board and pacified to stay in power. Lmaoing @yourlife, literally not even a cuck but a cuck^2. Because you would die or show loyalty to your masters while they openly stab you in the back.
>implying TES 6 is occurring after Todd killed xbox with starshit.
best thread in a long time
>hits hist
FRICK DRAGONS
FRICK ELVES
FRICK MEN
FRICK CATS
FRICK YOU
GET OUTTA ME SWAMP
And frick Argonians passionately
give me a lusty argonian maid and you can have the continent