THEN
>PS4
>100+ million units sold
>Xbox One
>50 Million units sold
NOW
>PS5
>28 Million units sold
>Xbox Series
>20 Million units sold
Xbox is healing
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THEN
>PS4
>100+ million units sold
>Xbox One
>50 Million units sold
NOW
>PS5
>28 Million units sold
>Xbox Series
>20 Million units sold
Xbox is healing
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I only buy American sorry snõys
enjoy your goyslop
i will
Lol zoomer admits his shitbox (spicbox) is shit
Xboxs are made in China and Mexico.
And that's why they're basadotes alv
You forgot bongoloids.
they're all made in china
>snõys
Kneel
>118.8M switches sold
Source? I want to know if it really did beat the PS4.
vgchartz
No official source, but if it was at 114.3M in September, then it's above 120M now.
The next Nintendo report comes out on February 7th, I believe
>source?????? SOURCE??????? (I need a video of an anon counting a hundred and eighteen thousand boxes lol)
many such cases…
Official Nintendo numbers are 114.33million units as of September 30, 2022.
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/hard_soft/index.html
The number should be higher now since there's been another Christmas season since the last official numbers.
It'll have surpass the PS2 2 years from now at this rate.
Anon, they would need to sell nearly 20 million units per year, that's not going to happen.
The way Nintendo is, I really don't doubt that they release a new New Switch model and kept going for 2 to 3 years. And people will still buy.
The way Nintendo is, they'll release a new gimmick system but frick it up. Every second console they make is a failure, the pattern will hold when they decide that every game needs to make use of a DBZ scouter that shows some weird VR off to your side or some shit.
>that's not going to happen
Everything is lined up for it to be a reasonable goal. In fact, the thing's been selling less than it can because of limited production with hardware shortages, meaning that they STILL can't meet the demand for it despite the high sell-through. They lowered this year or last year's forecast explicitly because they couldn't actually produce the units to meet the target, not because they couldn't sell them. That alongside the likelihood of another Pokemon game or two for the holiday seasons, a handful of big titles, and consistent software support means they're sitting pretty. There's also the lack of a price drop on hardware and the fact the Nintendo Selects line hasn't come about yet for this console. Due to the incredible sell-through of their titles, I actually doubt it'll happen at all.
switch still hasn't had a price cut. if they cut the price a year from now then that'll boosts sales a lot more
Isn't the portable one cheaper?
yes but it isn't as good as the main and has many drawbacks that people will not buy it for.
I don't follow Nintendo that close, but as far as I know, people buying Switchs doesn't give a frick about features.
>It's a Nintendo, it plays Pokemon Mario and Zelda
If I am not mistaken people were buying the OLED one and didn't even knew what difference that made, just that it was a new Switch.
Yeah. Nobody gave a shit about getting those 3D2 revisions nuking the 3D, but the Lite gets rid of a gimmick that's actually useful and widely used.
It probably won't get one. Maybe a real small one whenever the successor comes out in 2025 or whatever. Staying at the same price while inflation is blowing up is the "price cut."
A price drop alone isn't going to make people come out of the woodwork to buy a Switch. If price was the big limiting factor, the OLED wouldn't be the top seller since it was introduced.
Also, if the current gen has proved anything is that people don't mind paying a premium for consoles. Both the PS5 and XSX are still hard to find, but you can easily go to any store and get a XSS.
Because you can make 3 SS for each SX, anon.
There's way less demand for Series S though, that's why they've had to do multiple rounds of $50 or higher discounts to get the ones sitting on shelves to sell.
Yes anon, but people aren't rushing out to buy a Series S, they want the PS5 or the Series X.
Which of the following would you like for 2023? (3 max)
>Switch SP (something like the 2DS XL), maybe even with a second screen
>Translucid green Xbox
>Duke/S controller for Xbox
>PS5 Slim
>PSP3 (plays ps4 games), metal like Xperia Pro
>New Nintendo console
>Xbox portable (80% series S equivalent, direct storage)
>Elder Scrolls VI
>Kingdom Hearts Reboot (by a different writter from your favorite studio)
>Persona 6
>Pokemon Reboot (by HAL) series, new Gen 1 using a combination of the best pokémon of every gen and newcomers
>something else (except fire emblem, frick that)
Are you stupid? It obviously beat the PS4
Only the PS2 and DS are higher at this point.
damn
Xbox did that by there being so much demand for PS5 you still can't find it in stores so people settled on an Xbox, and with half of Xbox's sales being the cut down Series S model that they frequently discount an additional $50 making it literally half the price of the Series X and lower than even the MSRP of the Xbox One S last gen.
It'll be more interesting what the next 2 years of sales is now that supply issues are mostly fixed for both consoles, first party current gen games start dropping, and cross-gen games finally getting dropped starting this year.
plus goy pass
Yeah, that and all the promos helped a lot too. I wouldn't be surprised if people that locked in 3 years of the gold to gamepass promo before the new consoles came out bought a Series Xbox instead of a PS5.
Sales will be indeed interesting when poorgays need to switch consoles and they can only afford the Series S. You talk like being cheap is somehow a bad thing.
being cheap isnt bad when there's profit like with the Switch. Not only does Xbox lose money on the SeS, they probably do too on gamepass, which is why they're adding a shitton of live service elements to their studios' games
Subscription will always be more profitable than retail, why do you think shit like YouTube Movies don't sell as much as Netflix does subscriptions? It's a constant stream of revenue from people who wouldn't buy stuff anyway since most zoomers just play fortnite or warzone. The Series S is basically just a Trojan horse for GamePass and there's nothing to complain about that, cheaper console + cheaper games is always better
PlayStation just released 20 million sold and Microsoft haven't given any numbers per usual because they are horrible. So you are two million short on the PS5 side and purely speculating on the Xbox side.
PS said 30 mil sold though
hueg lost
360 lost
one lost
series is still losing
360 was winning but then kinect hjappened
the wii outsold
xbox has never been the best selling console and never will be
So Nintendo counts when beats the Xbox but not when beats the PS?
aka it lost
not only the kinect happened, but Sony actually started releasing games
Who unironically cares you frickin soulless pretend-shareholder loser
How long until the Switch overtake the PS4 as the best selling console?
Until Feb 7th when it is official.
360 kinect sold something like 30 million units kid
Once started comes out, it's literally over, there's no game Snoy can produce on the same level.
Starfield?
anon is moronic, please understand
Yep
I'm sure it'll do well, but I wonder how much it's going to sell and how much it's going to be played on Gamepass.
It's going to sell pretty well because it's launching on PC as well.
And at this point, making money through more gamepass subs or sales is just a win-win for them.
Yeah those 1 dollars really add up
Gamepass is also on PC though. Anyone that doesn't normally use Gamepass but has a PC has access to the $1 Gamepass trial instead of paying $69 for Starfield. Even a full price $10 month of Gamepass is $59 cheaper than buying it outright.
Subscriptions can absolutely make more money than traditional game sales, but at its current price with day 1 Gamepass releases and all the promos they're still running, I would not be surprised in the slightest if they're making less money through day 1 Gamepass games than if they'd otherwise be through traditional game sales. At $70 for brand new games and $10 a month for gamepass, a PCgay can now spend $70 for 7 months of Gamepass throughout the year and get access to up to 7 day 1 Gamepass games at a huge savings to them. Since Microsoft need to pay all third parties to include their games on Gamepass, if they turned a single day 1 game buying consumer into a 7 month Gamepass subscriber they're actually getting less money from them now. If that game they would have bought was first party they're getting even less revenue out of them too.
tfw use goy pass on pc
Enjoy it while it's still priced reasonably.
I've got 5 years already.
>priced reasonably
Anon gamepass loses money, admitted by microsoft. Unless by "reasonable price" you means "gift", then it's not priced reasonably.
>Anon gamepass loses money, admitted by microsoft.
This is a lie and you can't possibly source it.
https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/26/23425029/microsoft-xbox-game-pass-profitable-revenues
Microsoft to this day doesn't release their numbers for the xbox division. They can say whatever they want all day but that wont make it true. They also already admitted during the UK trial that subscription numbers have stagnated. And finally Revenue =/= Profit
So what you say is the truth then? frick off moron.
Quite literally yes. You have no evidence beyond your own delusion while the fact that Micrsoft doesnt publish their numbers is very much true. Corraborating evidence from what they admitted in the UK trial makes this point stronger.
>You have no evidence beyond your own delusion
Lol, talking about yourself? I've posted a source at very least.
You posted a statement from phil like a shill. Not an actual report.
Schizo take your meds.
I accept your concession
This place is full of Xbox shills, just observe that nobody cares about Xbox outside this place, notice the same old starfield shill threads with the same images etc
frick off homosexual, snoy trannies like you hangout in resetera and twitter
>You posted a statement from the CEO of gaming at Microsoft
>It's not an actual report
Why would show that you're underage like this?
CEOs lie.
About material information related to their company’s operations when making public statements? No they don’t, because that’s a very serious felony. I know you’re going to sputter and disagree, so save us the trouble and find an example of your assertion
I don't trust executives to tell the truth, especially when it doesn't benefit them.
Phil said that Gamepass revenue is stuck at 15% of all Xbox revenue, and while the absolute number will get bigger in the future, he doesn't think the percentage split for Gamepass will grow from that 15% too.
I wonder if they have a backup plan for if all Gamepass does is shuffle around where the money is coming from instead of increasing their profits.
Think Microsoft would lie to investors? You know what would be a huge scandal? It’s not like Microsoft paid for positive reviews like Sony did.
Microsoft might stretch the truth, but they do it way less than PlayStation. PlayStation has said their outdated hardware is cutting edge for the past 3 generations.
Sony publises their numbers, microsoft does not and execs lie to share holders quite often, especially when they have a lot to lose.
So Sony is also lying with their numbers to shareholders, according to your logic.
nta, surely
Just like ALL international companies with stocks
No moron. Sony publishes their numbers and by law as a publicly traded company they have to be truthful. Microsoft does not publish their numbers but morons like you insist the claims of their executives are true
Jesus this can't be real, are snoys really THIS stupid?
Feel free to prove me wrong. Otherwise cope and seethe.
How much did the Vita sell anon?
Deflection will get you nowhere
You said Sony reports numbers, how much did they report for Vita?
And deflection will still get you nowhere. You're the one insisting your points are true, you have to defend them
>microsoft may stretch the truth but they do it far less
This is hilariously false. Microsoft has been b***hslapped by the government countless times for being deceitful
Name 10 examples.
game pass subs are only stagnating because people want starfield
Gamepass actually has a subscription base in line with the original xbox live. I.E gamepass subscribers are mostly the original xbox fanbase. Microsoft at one point was counting people who used free trials, like Disney and Warner did, to inflate their numbers. But most of those people using the trial didnt renew beyond that.
>Anon gamepass loses money
even if this was true, that i dont know, it could be, it wouldnt change that the price was high or low
i read that the ps3 was lossing money for each sale, and still was expensive
The PS3 used unique technology like Cell and at the time had the cutting edge blu ray which was whybthe console was so expensive. The gameplan was for the PS3 to have a 10+ year lifespan where by that point production would be cheaper.
>Anon gamepass loses money, admitted by microsoft
It literally doesn't though, post your source
Because I can post mine. The data Microsoft provided about Game Pass revenue to the Brazilian Commission
https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/microsoft-generated-2-9bn-from-xbox-game-pass-last-year-regulatory-docs-suggest/
Game Pass generated about $3 billion in revenue in 2021.
As such, for it to be not-profitable, it would have to be costing Microsoft more to keep it running than not. IT would have to cost Microsoft $3 billion a year to keep Game Pass servers running and make acquisitions for the service.
But let's be even more conservative and rope Xbox Game Studio costs against Game Pass Revenue.
Let's assume that, given what we've heard about the acquisition cost of GOTG for the service (about $5-10 million). So for a AAA game (albeit one that didn't sell amazingly), that's pretty modest. But let's be conservative and assume that most AAA games that hit the service cost about $15 million. Let's say that Game Pass averages maybe 2 AAA games and some indies a month in acquisitions, so it comes out to maybe $50 million a month. That's about $600 million to for acquisitions. Then let's look at server costs (for the cloud service). Netflix has said they spend $1billion on their server costs for a streaming-only company, let's say MS spends maybe half of that on Cloud gaming shards for Xbox.
So we're up to $1.1 billion so far (again, rounding costs up to be conservative to my claim).
Now let's look at XGS costs. At about 20 total studios atm, maybe 4 of them are doing AAA projects and the rest are AA or below.
Let's say the AAA projects spend $200 million over a 4 year dev cycle, so $50 mil a year. The rest spend maybe $20 mil a year.
So that comes out to about $200 mil (AAA) + $320 mil (>AAA) for about $560 mil. Altogether, we're looking at about $1.6 billion in costs for running game pass and producing Xbox first party games, less than $3bn
It's worth keeping in mind that Gamepass can be profitable, but if it's less profitable than regular game sales then what's the point.
The point is that they still have both, they have the "guaranteed" money from gamepass + any sales they make.
Having 3 billion guaranteed in a year is kinda crazy while not facturing in sales.
>Having 3 billion guaranteed in a year is kinda crazy while not factoring in sales.
MS and Nintendo pull in around 15 billion in revenue a year, while Playstation pull in around 25 billion in revenue a year. 3 billion for Gamepass is a lot, but it's still not anywhere close to a paradigm shift or even a majority. If it mostly came from getting PC users that bought games on Steam to subscribe to Gamepass instead then that's perfect and good for them since it would be money they otherwise wouldn't have gotten. If it mostly comes from people that were buying first party games or buying games on Xbox now subscribing to Gamepass instead, then that's mostly just shuffling money around and not so great for them.
Nobody but Microsoft knows this though, they stopped reporting on game sales years ago and bundle up everything in their financial reports.
It's the oldest trick in the corporate book really. Sap the revenue from one department and just add it to the revenue of one not doing so well. You can "legally" declare growth
Playstation's operating income is sky high though, their software is selling like ass and their profits have decreased exponentially.
https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/ps5-hits-25-million-but-sony-gaming-profits-fall-49-due-to-rising-costs/
If you actually read the article, you'd know the big reason for the 49% drop in profits was they included their purchase of Bungie in their calculation.
And?
Does that make them any less moronic for acquiring fricking Bungie for 3b?
I think they way overpaid for them too, but the difference is that Sony are including game studio acquisitions in the Playstation division's financials, instead of hiding them in the parent company's financials.
They include them because they also have to pay their "maintenance".
Acquiring a studio also implies acquiring their expenses, Sony didn't think that one through and they've been acquiring shotty studio after shitty studio.
>Microsoft is trying to buy Actiblizz for 70 billion
>Profits still rising
Sony was really dumb to enter this race.
>Bought Bungie for 3 billion
>Only to lose profits
Kek morons.
You were so eager to shill by deflecting to Sony that you didnt even read the article. Sony's bprofit margin fell but they still made more than they did in 2021. They effectively invested the revenue into the acquisition which is companies do in the first place.
>Microsoft can bank whatever they want indefinitely because $$$$$
>Nintendo profits the most because their games cost pennies to make and they sell gangbusters of literally anything.
>Sony even with high revenues bleeds money to their AAA failures, having to port the games to both PC and PS4 to break even.
>if it's less profitable than regular game sales then what's the point.
Unlikely for a couple of reasons
First is a big one: Game Pass is something PC users can sign up for as well. Most PC gamers did zero gaming via Microsoft store before, so this is an untapped revenue source for them.
But the other major thing is the consider average spend
In the US in 2022, Console gamers spent anywhere between $20-30 per month. Averaging to about $240-$360 a year
However, that number includes and is mostly inflated by in-game spend. In terms of money spent on games themselves, it's likely lower since the average person only actually buys 2 big $60 games per year and most don't spend much on anything beyond that. That's why CoD and FIFA/Madden (and maybe one other per year) are such big deals. They're THE games that 50% of the Western market will ever buy.
So let's say that the majority of persons actually spends a median of $120 a year on new game titles. Game Pass is about $180 a year
People forget that Gamepass also keeps people on Microsoft's ecosystem, buying any game or hardware there.
This is a big one, and a big reason why getting something like CoD on will be huge. Because for whatever they lose in the $60 that would normally be spent on a new CoD game, getting as many people in as possible to spend money on MTX is considerably more valuable than the actual up-front retail cost of a copy of a game
>But if that comes at the expense of the whales then it's actually much worse
I don't know if I'd agree with that either. I think the biggest whales aren't spending that much on games themselves but MTX. That's where the BIG spend these days in games is coming from on all platforms sans Nintendo.
This is the REAL value of getting people to play even F2P games on Xbox, it's why they offer all those bonuses and perks if you play Apex or PSO2NGS via game pass. This is also why Xbox would probably be fine leaving CoD multiplatform entirely as long as it gets to be on Game Pass. Because getting people onto the Xbox platform on the game they spend the most in MTX on (particularly those whales) is a bigger source of revenue than the game's retail cost often.
I see where you're coming from but subscription models and F2P models have taken over for a reason. The MTX and DLC in-flux has become the generator of the vast majority of revenue and profit in the games industry. I think MS's game pass strategy is more involved in trying to capture those whales as well as move as many people onto the xbox ecosystem as possible so they'll be incentivized to buy non-GP games on Xbox as well
>In terms of money spent on games themselves, it's likely lower since the average person only actually buys 2 big $60 games per year and most don't spend much on anything beyond that.
If you look at a console's life after it's all said and done, the average high performing console has a software attach rate of 10:1 if it did well, and more than that if it did extremely well. Since consoles are supported for 10 years, that averages out to 1 game per year per user. Of course there are whales that buy tons of games a year, but there are also casuals that only buy a few games in total to average it out to ~10 games per user on average.
A $120-$180 Gamepass subscription is absolutely more money than the average console user spends on games in a year. But if that comes at the expense of the whales then it's actually much worse. New games now cost $69, so 3 new games a year is $207. If they're now subscribing instead of buying, you've made less revenue on Gamepass than you would have in game sales. If they were buying more than 3 games a year it doesn't matter, your price ceiling on the year is now only $180 max if they use Gamepass Ultimate.
Those game deals Microsoft makes for day 1 on Gamepass don't come free either. If any third party deal gets someone that would have bought it to subscribe instead, you just turned a $70 game sale that Microsoft would have gotten a 30% cut of ($21) into a $10 Gamepass or $15 Gamepass Ultimate sub before you even take into account the expenses needed to sign these deals to begin with. That's also completely ignoring all of the $1 trials, the free trials, the promos, the gold to gamepass promotions, etc that drive down the real price people are paying for their Gamepass subscription.
>revenue
Revenue is not profit
Yes, that's why I went into agonizing detail about how, even by a fairly conservative approach, Game Pass is almost certainly profitable if we estimate the costs of running it
Oh foolish child, you have no idea what MS is capable of. Enjoy the pitchfork in your ass when MS decides the honeymoon is over.
>It'll become bad eventually
Just get a ton of years while you can then, stop being dumb.
PCgays buy Bethesda games for the mods and all that "onw" it stuff.
They're going to see massive sales and a massive increase in subs, believing anything else is cope.
>They're going to see massive sales and a massive increase in subs,
We'll see. Microsoft are hiding their game sales since Gamepass became a thing for a reason, and Gamepass and Series S being digital only has already collapsed their first party physical game sales.
High on Life released into game pass and was still the top selling game on steam
Doesn't take much to be a top selling game on Steam with no competition.
cope
No, I literally mean that a visual novel that will go on to sell under 10,000 copies in its entire life can hit the top of Steam's chart on the weekend of its release if there are no other new games to compete with it. Game sales are incredibly front loaded.
Happened with every single Microsoft release since gamepass launched, some like Sea of Thieves even saw incredible sales years after it's launch.
One thing is certain, they wouldn't be trying to spend 70b on acquisitions if they didn't saw a future in this.
I'm gonna drop Game Pass sub for Starfield this year. Wife gets the 'warts Legacy.
Fable
2025 at the earliest
We knew absolutely nothing (not even a fricking teaser) about Forza Horizon 5 and when we did, it came out that same year with no delays. I think they are trying to follow that strategy
Nobody knows, so there could be a surprise at any time.
>embed
frick off bro
Nintendo isn't part of the competition, you must understand.
Can Switch git to 130 mil units sold?
PS5 obviously never will.
If the new nintendo console is announced and released in 2024 i can see it happening. Right now it should be very close to 120M.
The VGChartz number OP posted is still missing 3 weeks of December, if we assume the Switch kept the pace it should have ended at roughly 121 million units sold. Q4 is usually pretty slow, Nintendo doesn't really have any big hitters for this one and sales are slowing down, so expect another 2.5-3 million units at best. Q1 will have a little Zelda boost with the sales of the limited edition OLED model, if that leak is not fake. Hard to say what will happen at Q2 or Q3, but yeah, it should easily pass 130 million units, even if it enters in the first stage of the death spiral this year.
And even more people play candy crush. Whats your point? I'm still not buying a nintendo phone.
basado
>Thread has nothing to do with Nintendo
>Snoy: BU-BUT NINTENDO
Everytime. Xbox > snoystation anyday
PS5 will be at 60 million at the end of 2023.
Bra Sony can only manufacture 15 million PS5s a year max.
Do they still have trouble with the chips or something? Why haven't they already fix that shit or released a slim model already
That the Xbox is now taking back some market share is concern enough
And the Switch about to beat out the PS4 should be proof enough for Sony that their success last gen was due to a lack of competition
>concern
Microsoft is actually losing ground now as PS5 supply problems are almost completely fixed. The narrow gap grows larger each week. MS best sales month was november which was when they sold the Series S at a discount
>MS best sales month was november which was when they sold the Series S at a discount
That's everyone's best sales month along with december. That's the holiday season.
I'll say that MS being able to get back up to 50% entirely depends on if they release half decent exclusives. If Star Field is even just a 9/10, there's a good chance it'll help Xbox build a lot of 2023 momentum. If they can release one or two more decent AAA exclusives after or before then, then the gap will probably narrow rather than expand
>Star Field
never coming out
It'll probably be out this year.
keyword PROBABLY
That's a cope, a deepdive is coming already.
PS5 is over 30 million.
Both PS5 and Xbox were fricked by shortages but MS managed to improve its situation with the cheaper Series S
Anyway, the gap is getting bigger, Xbox was behind a few millions of ps5 some months ago but now they're behind by 8 millions
I believe it'll maintain this year, we shouldn't see any crazy increase on this gap.
I think Xbox will pass playstation this gen. The reason why is mainly because of the Series S and gamepass.
is there even a reason to own a playstation?
XBox isn't healing, Sony just shat the bed really really hard. It's impressive.
Xbox bombed, they promised so much... worse than the bones
It's easily one of the best ecosystems in gaming. Only really behind a hacked Switch.
hardware sales don't matter. games matter
Microsoft doesnt seem to have any which is why they're just trying to buy up publishers.
the last xbox only game came out 7 years ago
Snoystation has neither
playstation has no games and the gamepass is great
now wait until elder scrolls and cod are xbox and pc exclusive hahahha
xbox is gonna frick sony in the fricking ass
>Sony worst generation
Still get BTFO in sales
>"Exclusives"
Fail
>Zune
Fail
>Bing
Fail
>Windows Vista
Fail
>Microsoft Band
Fail
>Windows 8
Fail
>Windows Phones
Fail
>Mixer
Fail
>GFWL
Fail
>OG Xbox
Fail
>360
RROD
>Xbox One
Fail
>360 Kinect
Fail
>Kinect 2.0
Fail
>Sea of Theives
Fail
>Crackdown 3
Fail
>Halo 5
Fail
>Halo Infinite
Fail
Reminder they also killed Rare, introduced paid online to online console gaming, want to strip all ownership away from the consumer by making everything digital-only on Xcloud and Gamepass, and all off their exclusives are mtx-riddled pay-to-win garbage like Sea of Thieves, Gears4&5, and Halo 5.
It's also funny that some of you think buying Bethesda is going to save them. Bethesda hasn't made a good game since Skyrim, the rest of their games can't even hit metacritic scores of 80. Let's not also forget they let Bethesda put the Horse Amour DLC on the 360 marketplace back in 2007. If they hadn't done that, microtranstations and other bullshit greedy DLC practices wouldn't even be a thing today.
Microsoft is the most greedy, anti-consumer, monopolistic, disgusting company there is. Stop defending their shit, Ganker.
The SERIES ASS is an shit cucksole designed to scam the consumer renting troony indie games and 14 year old 360 games like goyim cattle.
If you buy and/or support Microsoft in any way, even ironically, you deserve death.
I'm not getting a PS5, israelite
There is nothing the PS5 has to offer me
>corporate cheerleading
I’m glad to see Xbox isn’t ridiculously far behind PlayStation like last gen. If all platforms do well everyone wins. Main reason 8th gen felt so shit is because Nintendo and MS shit the bed with their consoles and the PS4 was the only decent option
>If all platforms do well everyone wins
It’s a fact. The Wii U had poor sales so it barely got third-party support and Nintendo’s first party support wasn’t enough leading to droughts of new releases, it’s clear most of their effort went to the 3DS.
Xbox games in 8th gen were getting constantly delayed or cancelled in the early years. They bet on Kinect and that really bit them in the ass.
Sony is the only one that had good first party and third party, they just made a simple, good console. By the end of the gen they knew they didn’t have to try cause they were so far ahead of the competition which leads to now where they’re getting complacent
This. Xbox being so close to Sony means they're absolutely fricked since that's all Sony had over them. Aiee please help Sony, supreme court, how else would we get The Last of Us Remastered Remastered edition for $70?
That's true though, no company should feel comfortable, they should compete with tooth and nail to stay on top, that's precisely why gamepass is a thing right now.
Goypass is garbage.
>Switch
>118.81
There is only one problem. That's over two generations and the Switch is a last generation console that shouldn't be included with the next gen consoles
>That's over two generations
the switch got to those numbers faster than the PS4 anon
>console wars
remember when Ganker used to be about GAMES?
Ganker ALWAYS had console wars, you're too new to know.
no
>remember when Ganker used to be about GAMES?
And not a platform for viral marketing?
... maybe when Ganker was not divided in 7 boards
That was a VERY long time ago
supply restricted, dumbass
xbox is the version of playstation people dont want but are forced to get
>saves Xbox
Admit it, it was genius
It was a very smart move
It took advantage of the SIGNIFICANT decline in fidelity gains when moving from 1080p to 4K, and the scalability of AMD hardware to target and kids, parents and casuals in a way that lets more hardcore gamers get their hands on a Series X AND works around the supply constraint issues
the gtx 1060 of console gaming
I think Series S will really take off in poorgay countries where people can't afford anything else, especially if the politicians keep fricking the economy with great success. Remember, poorgays weren't really forced so far to upgrade. As soon as cool games begin avoiding the PS4/XBO the Series S will skyrocket.
Even the dumbest of poorgays know a PC is a better purchase because you can pirate everything
Your console is full of subscriptions and fees, no one is going to buy it in poorer countries.
And yet, in spite of all that, the PS4 sold 120 million even though most of the games on it could be pirated on PC
Switch sold 120 million despite the usability of Yuzu and Ryujinx.
Explain how 'Even the dumbest of poorgays know a PC is a better purchase' when console sales are through the roof
How many PCs were built/sold in the lifespan of the PS4?
You guys do realize those PC sales are for businesses, right? Steam doesn't even offer much to begin with
Steam surpassed psn and xbl in mau in 2020 at 120 million mau. Then it hit 132 mau in 2021. It just peaked at 33m concurrent users, 2021's peak was 29m. You are a moron.
Detroit and LA have a lot of people
Explains why ps is so popular
For gaming? I'm going to earnestly say less than 120 million
And that's not my point. My point is that console sales would PLUMMET if what you said is true. In theory, Pirating and PC Gaming should be cannibalizing console sales if it's such an obviously superior way to game, even for poorgays
Again, not my point. My point is that if someone is choosing between a gaming PC (especially with pirating in mind) and a console, the PC market should be actually taking nearly all sales away from the console market if they're comparable goods and PC is such a better value per dollar spent
>In theory, Pirating and PC Gaming should be cannibalizing console sales
Your theory is fricking awful, Ubisoft upper management-chan.
Nah he's right. Piracy and emulation isn't popular inspite of being free and available in every household. And like you said, PCs are selling more than consoles, yet piracy remains niche at best because it is unreliable and fricking sucks, like anything that is free.
It's not that piracy is unreliable or sucks, anon. It's that distribution channels are commonplace enough that buying games isn't particularly difficult. There's also something to be said about paying for something in regards to how much you enjoy it. If you pay for something, your brain is going to push you to try and do/enjoy it more because of the money you put into it. Pirated games just aren't as fun.
>Pirated games just aren't as fun.
this comment makes no sense
You appreciate things far more when you've put effort into them, so if you pay money for a game you appreciate the time and effort you spend at work that went into buying it, making you appreciate the game more.
Not that an unemployed fricking loser like you could understand.
sunk-cost fallacy, if you spend hard earned money on something you are going to try to get as much from it.
>sunk-cost fallacy
so a coping mechanism?
You are an unemployed loser with no money.
>so a coping mechanism?
Yes but it affects basically everyone.
And it ceases being a coping mechanism if a game's main rough spots are early on.
JRPGs are a good example of this: many start slow to try to introduce the story and characters and core gameplay mechanics
>in reality most of them will choose the platform you can pirate everything on
Prove it.
Prove that most people who are too poor to get a $500 console instead chose to get a gaming PC instead
You're making a claim that you provide no proof for.
On top of that, I'm not moving my goal posts. My point was that if what you said was true, then the consoles (which are sold at a loss to better reach more people with less spending money) wouldn't sell well because everyone would realize the better deal was a gaming PC. My point from the START was that Piracy and PC Gaming should be reducing the sales of consoles to basically nothing (but aren't, hence why I quote PS4 sales numbers) if poorgays (and by extension, anyone more wealthy than them) prefer gaming PCs to consoles. There shouldn't be a market for consoles at all if PC gaming is recognized as being better by everyone
>get a gaming PC instead
They don't get get gaming PCs they get whatever build they can and pirate everything. This makes way more logical sense then buying a console with subs, and fees up the ass. Plus the global population is way more into gaming than ever before and they invest in multiple platforms
>basically nothing
Lol this is just a desperate reductionist argument because you got btfo. No one was arguing that consoles will go away, but in the poorest of countries PCs and hacked consoles are used. Ps5 series x and s do not count.
>they get whatever build they can and pirate everything
They pirate what they can play, which is not everything.
Ever have a hacked PSP? You'd download 30 PSP games, 50 PS1 games and hundreds of old games, play a few for 5 or 10 minutes each then put it in a drawer and never touch it again.
I guess that pirating isn't as straight forward as just buying the game, or even just waiting for a sale.
Casuals won't bother to learn how to pirate shit correctly.
It does in the sense that buyer's remorse will push you to deal with inadequacies or shortcomings more readily to see how much value you can eke out of a game because you've already invested money into it.
By contrast, a free game is as easily dropped as it was picked up because it cost you nothing to pick it up in the first place, so there's no waster monetary value if you drop it when it's not enjoyable.
Imagine a game that has a rough start but is great after a little while. If you bought that game, you'd be more willing to push past that initial roughness to see if you can get your money's worth.
If you pirated it, you'll just drop it. This is why F2P games have to front-load as much progression and fun as possible, because they know their players have no feeling of obligation to try to have fun with their game and will just as readily drop it if the early experience is lackluster
Buyer's Remorse is a powerful force and can affect the way media is designed
>say that poorgays will go for a troony console
>in reality most of them will choose the platform you can pirate everything on
>HURR THAT'S NOT MY POINT HERES MY GOALPOST BEING MOVED
Do you think a poorgay has the same perspective as you? They have no money so they will buy a shit tier PC with a gtx 570 and enjoy new games at 720p. Your sunk cost fallacy autism doesn't apply.
kys.
Are you genuinely moronic? PC sales are also through the roof. Steam active user base is far and above any console service right now. Stupid fricking moron
>Steam monthly active userbase is 120m
And what does this prove? A free service that essentially monopolized the PC market has a lot of users because it is required to run even Single Player games? A fair comparison would be adding the online users of every console together, even the ones who don't pay a monthly fee just have a regular connection for their SP games. It looks like console gaming is more desirable because if Steam had a monthly fee all their poorgay userbase would disappear overnight.
Piracy is not even an option on newer PS and Xbox yet they sell more consoles than ever. There is the online tax and they sell more PS and Xbox than ever.
When will PC parrots realize if muh piracy would be the answer then nobody could sell a single console. When will PC parrots realize the console business model where you are paying in installments is more affordable than any PC? You can buy a console which plays everything for less than the price of a single PC component. Sales data proves it for decades that a bunch of people buy consoles for a few multiplats. There are Fortnite bundles for a reason.
Hey look another console war thread, i, too, noticed the serious lack of those on this bard.
Better than another coomer thread.
PS5 owners are such morons. Far Cry 4, Primal, and even 5 are still 30fps on PS5.
Fricking joke of a console and joke of backwards compatibility. At least Xbox put some money and effort into making a collection of X360 and hueg games playable in 4K, some fps boosted.
This is with xbox having no games too. I'd expect elder scrolls and all that to massively boost sales since they're exclusive. Potentially cod as well if that deal get passed.
It's more like Sony is falling
>PS5
I've seen a lot of people praising how sony games now have that 40fps option, what's up with that? sounds moronic.
120/3= 40
40 fps for tvs with VRR that makes it a cope 60 frames
coppe
>forspoken is a paid time exclusive
Sony sure knows which exclusives are the heavy hitters. I wonder if it'll sell better than Deathloop.
why the frick would they pay for 2 whole fricking years of forspoken?
It was only an extra $20.
jej
It was probably a steal. Maybe like 1 million. And it's not about the money, It's about bolstering their library (yeah, even though it's looking like a shit game, it's probably worth it just to boast about that).
If the switch has sold so much then how come Nintendo can't afford to have free online play? The Wii U had free online play and the miiverse. Did the Wii U make more profit than the Switch?
Shut up and consoom. No critical thinking allowed.
In the future Sony will have to plead to the supreme courts for help to ban Xbox from selling.
delusional
I mean, look, they're already doing that. I can only imagine how much worse it's going to get if Microsoft closes the sales gap even more.
I'm not the biggest Microsoft fan out there but Sony isn't even Nintendo or Tencent, they're getting squeezed.
in panic mode because they're eventually going to lose CoD and too moronic to just have guerilla start making killzone again to compete
and also worried because their shitty movie games take too long to develop
just curious, what is the series S to series X ratio?
idk but rumor has it that the series s sells more
ps5 is over 30 million
microsoft doesnt release sales numbers because they are always losing
In the "VGChartz does its thing" ruleset, those are fair numbers for both. They don't usually count shipped sales which is what these companies report.
Sony made that announcement last week. VGChartz still hasn't updated the numbers for the rest of december, since they're not just pushing random guessing numbers anymore.
They're probably waiting for the Microsoft earnings call later this month.
switch is the only one that matters.
I don't like the Switch, but Jesus Christ, the thing sells.
I am extremely curious about how Nintendo will follow.
>Xbox still in third place
>XBOX IS HEALING
Legitimately, WHAT did he mean by this? Because its still fricking stupid reading it again.
They were 50 million units or more behind Sony last gen.
Also this isn't a literal fricking race you potato brain. They couldn't give a shit if they're third or fourth, twhat they are selling and how much profit they take from it matters more.
i think that pandemic-era scalpers were the cause of low sales of PS5 and xbox X/S
Scalpers were responsible for most of the sales, mainly PS5 sales.
The low sales are the results of the chip shortage.
how would that be the cause of low sales when they bought every single one of them
scalpers bought the hardware, but it's not worth as much to the company if end users aren't buying games and paypig subscriptions on them for the next 3 years
>be poor latino
>back then everybody had a ps2 because it was cheap and easily hackable
>now
>none of my friends or siblings have a ps5 or xboxone, maybe a ps4
>have the income to buy both but get the Switch instead
consoles and games keep getting expensive, and the games just arent as a good as they were before
>Xbox is healing
No it isn't, it just happens to have any fricking stock compared to an snoystation.
>muh stock
I'm really getting tired of this bullshit excuse
Gamepass is probably the only reason Xbox is doing well enough right now other than the 1000 people who bought it to emulate gamecube games.
imagine being a pc player and NOT pirating
You'll change your tune when your wallet has money in it
Nobody pays for everything, Jerry
who is jerry?
>2009+14
>not knowing jerry
who?
I'd buy a Switch if they made a new F-Zero and new full scale Advance Wars game.
what a comeback
Have they still not corrected this shit graph? Transbox isn't over 20 million yet btw
>still cant buy a SeX
>stores are begging people to buy a PS5
What happened?
>still cant buy a SeX
xbox. com
Why are you happy that corporation A made more money than corporations B and C? Do you get anything material out of it?
it's good to see microsoft getting their shit together
>getting their shit together
>forever doomed to last place because they're a bunch of censorship-happy, poz-pushing, nip-hating anti-consumer buttholes
sure thing lmao. ps: I know all 3 companies pozzed out, but at least the other 2 have more weeb vidya.
you seem to have missed the point that the series X/S is just 10M away from the PS5 compared to the 60M from the xbone to PS4. also
>playstation
>weeb vidya
sure thing lmao
>forever doomed to last place because they're a bunch of censorship-happy, poz-pushing, nip-hating anti-consumer buttholes
Thought you were talking about Xbox there, not Sony.
Who here has los dos ? Surely I’m not the only colossal moron.
FRICK THE SWITCH!
Shtibox always dead last lol
so?
>_____ is healing
oh frick off
Why isn’t anyone buying the Series X/S goddamn it
>switch more than 2x the loser consoles combined
but pls focus on the race for 2nd place
kind of an unfair comparison. switch came out in 2017. Ps5/Series X+S came out 2020.
Even with the fair comparison, the Switch is pushing higher volume in the same sales period with their own chip-shortage difficulties. This despite being over years old, which makes the degree of demand very atypical.
>b-but we have game pass!!
eternal loser loool
I have it too (PC)
same
It's the first time I paid for it, after they gave me 11 months free before
>b-but we have game pass!!
could an expert explain to me why console sales are drastically decreasing? Only an expert please answer this because I don't follow stats or know any of this bullshit here
>smaller hardware changes
PS1>PS2 = huge improvement, PS4>PS5 = smaller improvement (proportionally). Someone should post that image that illustrates diminishing returns on increasing polygons, I don't have it.
>increasing prices
Both because of the previous point and because of crypto mania, new high-end parts are costing more and more money, and thus manufacturers have to charge more and more for the consoles to keep up, so fewer people want to buy them
>backwards compatibility
Due to the previous two points, people aren't buying new consoles as much, so there's a lot of pressure on game companies to release simultaneously for new and old gen consoles (see PS4/PS5 editions of games, etc) so they can have the largest possible consumer base. This reduces the pressure to buy new consoles even further since you don't have to buy the newest, expensive, hard-to-find console in order to play the newest games.
PC gaming got more popular and that pretty much makes up the difference.
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>PC gaming got more popular
mining*
>supporting Microshaft's unprofitable console division that exists only to make the competition lose money
kys OP.
>Switch Chad
Snoy and Microshit are so far behind they might as well not even be on the board.
corporations are not your friends. wake up and stop being a useful idiot