this feels rushed, its half as long as halo 2 and the story is a complete mess, like its missing a bunch of missions in between
also the multiplayer is kind of meh, the guns are awful, melee breaking shields in one hit is broken as frick, most weapons are peashooters so the usual plasma + headshot is king, that or camping your ass with a shotgun
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They were originally not even going to make a Halo 3, and were going to end the series on Halo 2 (which would have had an Ark level)
But they realized that there was too much to fit into Halo 2, so they ended making Halo 3.
Why do you post your head canon without knowing the facts?
They said it in the Halo 2 commentary video, near the end of the video I believe.
It’s information that has been public for 15 years anon
FRICKERS!
First of all Bungie was signed to make 5 halo games to boot.
>They were originally not even going to make a Halo 3
Is objectively wrong.
Yes, Halo 2 was chopped in half and the other half became Halo 3.
you're objectively wrong anon, the contract was only for 3 games. The contract only exists because it was the offer Microsoft gave them to stop making Halo games.
Halo 2 has one of the most documented development cycles in vidya history.
>shit that literally everyone knows because Bungie openly admitted so 15+ years ago
>headcanon
>Dumb america wakes up
It's on record you stupid Black person.
Halo 2 was thrown together in under a year in an insame crunch that would make the trannies of modern game dev kill themselves.
It's a miracle Halo 2 came out at all.
im just going to add to the reply pile because frick you, how dare you call that headcanon you fricking moron, this game isn't even old
frick off you fricking homosexual
Probably responding to bait but also to dog pile on, frick you, have a nice day, and go back
It sucks so fricking bad. It's what convinced me that what's new is more important than what's good to most consumers.
Armor lock was great before they nerfed it, everyone overlooked it at first because cawadoody sprint and I farmed rage for a good few months. All it took was a well timed grenade to counter as well.
>had this epiphany but with halo 2
>pleasantly enjoyed halo 3 as a consequence
everyone has a come to jesus moment from an overhyped game
For me, its sitting in the corner with a sword it was so comfy, i skipped reach because of homosexual armor lock
Halo Reach is what halo 3 was meant to be, just replace earth with reach
Was it kino?
Arbiter's whole story in Halo 2 was much more interesting than anything they did with chief in Halo 2 or 3.
Its such a shame they relegated most of his story to cutscenes in 3. Funny, people HATED Arbiter when halo 2 first came out, now hes basically a fan favourite character
HALO 2'S LOST STORY
Halo 3 was meant to be a victory lap because Bungie couldn't finish two or three levels to actually finish Halo 2 and the series. But let's look at Reach.
Level 3: instead of going in a circle to retrieve your offense, you go in a circle to deploy your offense
Level 4: instead of going on a night sniping mission, you go on a... night sniping mission
Level 5: instead of storming a beach to secure a critical location, you storm a sandy cliff to... secure a critical location
Level 7: Fly to three locations to activate some technology which will assuredly help but we're never told explicitly how, but it's as good an excuse to fly to three locations as any
Level 8: Go through the ruined level of an area you previously explored to find an AI-related objective to help you finish a game
All of that should sound familiar, because it's either just CE again or intentionally doing the opposite of CE to combine with nostalgia to invoke the same feelings. 3 only existed because 2 didn't end properly, but Reach only existed to make a buck and finish a contract.
After that, Frank O'Connor, 343 Industries' franchise development director outlined several books that came out to setup Halo 4.
>Frankie: Most of the books for the last two years have dealt with building backstory for Halo 4, rather than fixing canonical errors or mismatches. We've bought ourselves a little bit of latitude with the terminals in previous Halo games. We knew that the fiction was going to evolve when we were writing the terminals for Halo 3.
moronic strawman argument
>purposefully leaving out the air defense section at the end of Oni Sword Base
>purposefully leaving out the fact that you DON'T attack a Covenant cruiser and finish with an escort mission in Nightfall
>purposefully missing that the non-linearity of Silent Cartographer is not at all similar to the linear Tip of the Spear
>purposefully leaving out Long Night of Solace because it doesn't fit your moronic narrative
>Purposefully ignoring the dialogue that explains exactly what you're doing in Two Betrayals/New Alexandria
>Purposefully ignoring the firefight section at the end of The Package
Yeah, obviously a developer is going to iterate on their previous works. Halo is inspired by Marathon, Marathon was a clone of Doom with more AI mumbo jumbo, and in the end Doom is just an elaborate form of Simon Says
Brutes are so boring to fight compared to elites. In 2 they were just in the last couple levels and were absolutely terrifying, when they went berserk. Halo 3 also has the worst flood levels and they added new bullet sponge and flood sniper tower with firing rate of machine gun, which I find to just not work with the general gameplay idea of flood - rushing you in melee, becouse the sniper makes you cover and cheese. It may have the best vehicles, the brute one turns the game into demolition derby and warthog doesn't control like shit finally, but the vehicle levels suffer from too large amount of enemies, which again makes the player hide and cheese. The ending just didn't work for me and felt like last minute asspull - why didn't chief crawl couple more meters into the pilot's cabin?
I agree with you, I can't take anyone who says Halo 3/ODST is their favorite game seriously because the sandbox is fundamentally broken by the absence of elites. If someone can't notice the difference between the bumbling fridge-hitbox brutes to the agile strategic elites, they're simply a smoothbrain who's been blinded by the raw spectacle of the Ark and Covenant.
Halo's not really worth playing for the gameplay, it never evolves beyond oneshot headhotting fodder, then killing tough guys one by one. Overt story is shit in both 2 and 3 and 3's saving grace are the terminals.
>like its missing a bunch of missions in between
I think Halo 3 has two missions cut that are publicly known.
>"Guardian"
was meant to be the 2nd Ark level, used assets from the mp map of the same name
>"Real Cortana"
isn't the actual name obviously but Release Cortana is actually just the 2nd half of the level Floodgate with the skyboxes changed. The Real Cortana level was reusing/remaking geometry from Halo 2, to make it much more clearly set on High Charity, Chief was one point was going to enter mausoleum of the arbiter and fight arbiter floods.
> Chief was one point was going to enter mausoleum of the arbiter and fight arbiter floods
Frick, that sounds awesome
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halo 3s maps were such a downgrade form halo 2
How did Bungie always find a way to frick up remakes so much? There were literally only 2 good ones in their entire decade with the franchise. pic related is the worst offender
Halo 3 was a sluggish piece of shit with projective weapons, no maps work for it.
Guns feel weak for the sake of balance and the campaign is epic short but sweet with a lot of freedom
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"lmao"
Halo 3 was garbage and really exposed the brainlets. The only reason it gets any praise is because it was babbies first Halo game for a lot of children. The majority of people never owned an original Xbox which means they have no perspective on anything.
Both CE and 2 are infinitely better.
halo 3 is the only good halo game, frick off nostalgia Black person.
Oh look a little zoomy whose first console was a 360. Embarrassing!
lmao you think i owned a shitbox 360? i aint no Black person, i played halo 3 last year for the first and it was fricking great while halo 1 and 2 sucked major dicks.
that's even worse. you really are embarrassing.
just frick off back to call of duty please.
whats going on big guy? dont like getting slapped with reality?
the reality of someone playing games 20 years after release and thinking their opinion is worth anything? you don't know dick from fanny, kid. go back to call of duty.
sounds like a self admitted zoomer is angry that someone isnt blinded by nostalgia like he is
Good games don't age. Deux Ex didn't age, Doom didn't age, System Shock didn't age, FFVI didn't age. The "you had to be there" meme is nostalgia and empty elitism.
They didn't age and that's not the argument, bozo.
You simply cannot join a series 22 years into it's run and pretend your voice holds any weight.
As I said, empty elitism. Books don't have an expiration date where an opinion 60 years after release is worthless. Movies don't. Why would games? What's this old man "in MY TIMES" nonsense?
It's the same reason you can't watch a movie and instantly declare it the best movie ever made. You need time to simmer. Consooming a piece of media for the first time decades after release and thinking your voice holds any weight is the height of arrogance. You just speedran the games in quick succession so you can finally say you've played them. Your opinion is worth less than the shit on my shoe.
>argument against the game is that the aliens look "gay"
Thank you for confirming Halo is too intelligent for you and that you are an actual moron Black person. Call of Duty is calling!
>You need time to simmer
I suppose that every single book that was first released in episodic format in newspapers is not worth reading, since you "need time to simmer". Or I guess you have to make a day or week long pause after every few pages. You're just a hipster mad that all the "plebs" get to play and judge the game you invested your personality into.
>I suppose that every single book that was first released in episodic format in newspapers is not worth reading, since you "need time to simmer"
How is it possible to be this moronic? How is this your take-away from my argument? Fricking hell.
>How is this your take-away from my argument?
It literally is what you said. Do you really think everyone who played the MCC marathoned it yesterday and had zero time to think? What you're really saying is that you had to be a fan for 20 years, experienced all the hype and played each release with a few years' pause in-between. Except no other media, no even any other game series work like this. I can play classic FF and say VI>IV>V>I>II>III without having been a kid in the 80's and owning a NES/SNES, yet somehow I "had to be there" for Halo.
I've never played FF outside of the demos on PS1. If I was to play the series tomorrow I can assure you I wouldn't be on here the next day proclaiming such and such is the best game in the franchise. Especially when I speedrun through every game. It's the height of arrogance.
You don't need to be there day one, or even year 20. You just need to have some perspective.
What the hell is "perspective" for you? Canning and marinating a fresh opinion for a year in a vacuum, and don't you dare express or discuss it before it's "aged"? It's nonsense.
I can't make it any clearer. It's not a hard concept to grasp. Time does make things clearer, yes. Speedrunning an entire franchise and then proclaiming the next day you understood it is just arrogant. You think because you rushed through a piece of media that your opinion is worth more than the people who have been discussing it for years. At least have the respect to refine your arguments and simmer on your thoughts for a bit. One of the morons in this thread main argument was that "the aliens look gay." Clearly this is someone who played through the games in good faith!
morons will be morons no matter what you do. Other people can form good, if unorthodox opinions. Your complaints of "arrogance" and assertion that an opinion is shit unless one lurked through years of previous discussion sound to me like an old timer's rant. Everything was already said, the established "respected" opinion exists, all those youngings are "arrogant" for expressing their fresh takes and should spend a few years listening to us veterans to understand how things REALLY are.
Give it a rest. Let people say things. Maybe some of what they say isn't shit by definition and has some real worth.
You can form unorthodox opinions, you can come up with all kinds of crazy shit. I don't care.
The problem is people speedrunning through endless hours of content and then pretending their perspective is as deep or insightful as anyone else. You can have your dogshit opinions, but that's all they are; dogshit.
Like I said, I would never have the gall to speedrun through the entire FF series and then pretend my opinion is worth anything. It's just nonsense.
Alright, old timer. Now let me disrespectfully speedrun Silmarillion, the Hobbit and LOTR. I'm sure Tolkien would hate that.
>I'm going to digest hundreds of hours of content that spanned decades in the course of a couple of days and suddenly think my opinion is worth the same as anyone else's
That's not how it works.
Again, anon, do you think everyone is fresh off of a 50 hour marathon of all Halo games in a row? I gave myself a month or so break between each game, on average. I'm a mentally healthy, not moronic adult. I'm capable of forming good opinions. So do many other people. Stop making up excuses for elitism.
You're one guy. Most people don't follow your way of playing (if you are telling the truth).
People will speedrun games with complete disinterest just so they can say they've played it, and then offer completely moronic opinions. It's not a Halo problem either, it's every game.
"Most people" don't play videogames 20 hours per day. That's about the only way you can "speedrun" the entire Halo franchise in a couple days. Disinterested casuals don't go out of their way to discuss the lore. If somebody has a take that's a bit more nuanced than "lmao alien gays", you can pretty safely assume they're worth listening to.
>"Most people" don't play videogames 20 hours per day.
where do you think you are moron.
>implying Ganker plays videogames
You're right, they instead spend 20 hours writing shitposts on a chinese basket weaving forum. Clearly these are the people we should be listening too.
>this Black person thinks talking about an extremely mainstream and accessible college bro shooter is some kind of exclusive gentlemen's club and he's a seasoned elder
>moron fails to understand the point
What a surprise. The logic applies to any piece of medium, doofus.
the piece of medium you are calling yourself the sage of is literally the most casual, middle of the road blockbuster shooter, it's like gatekeeping people talking about michael bay transformers movies because they haven't been on the council long enough nitpicking stupid shit
ironically a zoomer randomly picking up halo and going through it has a cleaner opinion on it than you because they're not influenced by nostalgia, sunk cost and marketing hype
I implore you to find something more respectable to gatekeep than halo fricking 3 lmao god damn, you're basing your ego on an FPS for 12 year olds and college dudes
>you're basing your ego on an FPS for 12 year olds and college dudes
You can't even experience Halo 2 in its original form today and you think you can comment as an expert. You're a fraud and a moron. An over confident zoomer who thinks he has everything figured out.
Talk to me when you have a time machine, until then your opinion is worth less than dogshit!
Halo 2 was shit then and its Shit down.
>Implying you were even alive when it came out.
Zoomer please. Go back to fortnite.
Anon, you're defending Halo. The only zoomer here is you.
>you weren't there man you had to play it on this console in this year I'm an OG I have the best opinions forever
Halo was literally designed to be casually picked up and played by anyone, it is the ultimate hop in anyone anytime casual shooter.
Whatever helps you scrape an ego together.
I'd say Halo is the Goldeneye of its generation, but even Goldeneye is more mechanically complex than Gaylo lol
Explain Goldeneyes mechanics.
For one, enemies have location-specific damage, and can be disarmed that way. It leads to more interesting gameplay than "charge shot guys with shields, use bullets on anything without shields"
For two, suppressed weapons are actually quiet and don't alert enemies.
You move faster in Goldeneye by running diagonally
If the game was built around entire ecosystems that don't exist today, then yes, you aren't experiencing the game fully. This isn't hard to figure out.
If I randomly ripped out scenes from a movie, are you going to pretend you've experienced it fully?
>entire ecosystems
damN ENTIRE ECOSYSTEMS like what?
people playing splitscreen at a party?
DEEP
the funniest part about comments like this is you just show your ignorance. it's clear you never played the game and are just another salty quakegay.
go on, what are these ECOSYSTEMS? I'm waiting
The entire matchmaking system? The same system that went on to be a standard of the industry?
The playlists, lobbies, friends systems that all integrated with each other seamlessly?
You'll dismiss this like the moron you are because you never played the game.
I judge FPS games by their singleplayer campaigns and don't give a damn about multiplayer.
>the ecosystems don't exist today
>goes on to describe ecosystems that are everywhere today
what did he mean by this?
are you losing your mind? lmfao
top kek, you must have brain damage.
please plug in an original Halo 2 to the internet and tell me how the ecosystem still exists.
>Matchmaking, lobbies, friend system
this is what zoomers can't understand? the features that are bog standard in practically every big multiplayer game?
>Damn zoomers will NEVER understand how some kid called me a Black person in VC in between games
>this is what zoomers can't understand? the features that are bog standard in practically every big multiplayer game?
because you never played it you wouldn't understand.
The playlists themselves don't exist anymore, 343 didn't even try to copy them for MCC.
None of it was copied for MCC. You are playing a butchered experience.
The funny part is that those features becoming bog standard was entirely because of Halo 2. So much for "babbies first FPS", more like revolutionary FPS. Cope and seethe, quakelet.
>because you never played it you wouldn't understand
this is the funniest part of your argument because I played CE and 3 for hundreds of hours pre MCC (played halo 2 but only at a friend's house), it was fun but not some kind of SUPER SPECIAL EXPERIENCE YOU CAN NEVER REPLICATE and you clinging onto it is evidence that you peaked playing halo and use it to try and talk down to people to scrounge up an ego.
>The funny part is that those features becoming bog standard was entirely because of Halo 2. So much for "babbies first FPS", more like revolutionary FPS.
It revolutionised a way for normies and kids to play a casual FPS together online, yes.
>this is the funniest part of your argument because I played CE and 3 for hundreds of hours pre MCC (played halo 2 but only at a friend's house), it was fun but not some kind of SUPER SPECIAL EXPERIENCE YOU CAN NEVER REPLICATE and you clinging onto it is evidence that you peaked playing halo and use it to try and talk down to people to scrounge up an ego.
That's funny because Halo CE was never on Xbox Live, and Halo 3 was an entirely different system. Stop talking about things of which you know nothing about.
>He didn't know CE was ported to windows
>Halo 3 was an entirely different system
Like what? Not choosing gametypes?
>argument is about how you can't experience Halo 2 in its original form
>"well I played Halo CE and Halo 3"
You can just concede anon, nobody cares that you lost an argument.
This thread is literally about the halo 3 campaign
>but halo 2 matchmaking is slightly different now so you can NEVER go back
nostalgia goggles galore in the halo fanbase
not talking about
>plot
>gameplay mechanics
>art direction
>music
>literally anything
but
>the game has a different way of putting normies in matches together zoomers will never get it
>This thread is literally about the halo 3 campaign
So you can't follow a conversation, thanks for clarifying.
See, the playlists themselves are a major factor. If you want to play Halo 2 today you have to join a playlist with 6 other games in the rotation. You have a 1 in 6 chance (before weightings that make it worse) to get a game of one Halo 2 match. Then you need to pray it's an actual game type and map you want.
In original Halo 2 you had very specific playlists, objectives, casual, competitive, ranked.
You had a ranking system that worked.
You had a seamless friends list and lobby system that made finding matches, friends, lobbies, games, infinitely more enjoyable.
You had an ecosystem that elevated the game, matches, community, etc.
And yet all of this is gone in MCC. You can laugh and say it's meaningless but that's because you never fricking played it.
MCC hasn't had cross-game playlists for nearly 5 years.
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What? Anon, you can just pick what you want to play now.
you dont understand how the system works. you dont understand youre arguing in my favor
Anon, are you pretending to be moronic? You search Halo 2 with specific modes, and that's what you get. There's no chance of you being thrown into other games unless you put them on yourself. The only issue is that Halo 2 on MCC is dead as a doornail because the port sucks.
you are moronic, that's for sure.
searching for Halo 2 alone puts you into a pool with no players.
>searching for Halo 2 alone puts you into a pool with no players.
So? Games die.
its not about it being dead, its about limiting your chances to a match. you either gamble, or you wait for an eternity.
>it's not about being dead
>it's about having no one to play with
the game prioritizes people who pick more games. you pick any one game and you severely limit your chances. you don't understand how the system works.
even ignoring that, the game being dead makes no difference to my point; you cannot experience Halo 2 its original form today.
Do you have any proof of this? Because I almost exclusively search for non-H3, non-Reach single games and my matchmaking times are quick.
>Do you have any proof of this?
Just think about. It makes no sense to prioritize or treat equally single-game searchers because you end up with a gridlock.
The whole point of the search system is to be a guide, not a guarantee.
So you don't have proof. Understood.
So you never passed school, understood.
Pretty disgraceful that you can't into basic logic and common sense.
>um actually you don't have confidential 343 information so I win
That's not how it works. Sorry.
So you don't have proof. Understood.
If there were a sizeable group of people wanting to play halo 2 then you'd get your halo 2 matches. Fact is that MCC is basically dead (in the low thousands) and you can't afford to filter to the less popular games because less people want to play them.
It depends if those groups are also searching for other games or not. That's the problem.
No it really doesn't, all you need is a sufficient amount of people who checked "halo 2" in their search and you'll find a match. If you pick the most popular combinations (h3/reach BTB) you'll have less trouble finding a game
The fact is people are pooling around the more popular games and gametypes because the mcc is dead/dying.
People pool around Halo 3 because it's the most popular multiplayer Halo game and always has been.
This isn't even an opinion, the population counts from the original games are on record.
If Team 1, 2, and 3, are searching for Halo CE, 2 and 4
And Team 4, 5, 6, are searching for Reach, Halo 3, and 4
The system is going to match those 6 teams on Halo 4 and leave the single-searcher Halo 2 person in the dust.
>If Team 1, 2, and 3, are searching for Halo CE, 2 and 4
>And Team 4, 5, 6, are searching for Reach, Halo 3, and 2
>The system is going to match those 6 teams on Halo 2 and leave the single-searcher Halo 4 person in the dust.
See, here's the flipside.
It doesn't happen because halo 2 is less popular.
This is only a problem for the halo 2 person because no other teams are looking for halo 2. Matchmaking selects a game from the overlap in the search between your lobby and another lobby's. There is no bias making it choose one game over another within that overlap.
There is no single searcher on Halo 4 though.
Think of this;
There are 7 teams (2 players per)
Team 1, 2, 3, are searching for Halo CE, 2 and 4
Team 4, 5, 6, are searching for Reach, Halo 3, and 4
Team 7 (you) is searching for Halo 2.
System: do I send through 6 teams on Halo 4, or do I send through 4 teams on Halo 2.
This is what I mean. It makes no sense to prioritize the lesser teams. You move more people by prioritizing people who pick more games.
>System: do I send through 6 teams on Halo 4, or do I send through 4 teams on Halo 2.
It'll prioritize putting people into games rather than making two groups sit in purgatory.
Yes, and it will do this by completely ignoring the single-searcher.
>and it will do this by completely ignoring the single-searcher.
What do you want it to do? Keep two half-full lobbies instead of leaving out the one outlier?
I'm not complaining, I'm just stating its function.
However I do think the 343 matchmaking system is shit.
overlap between teams 1,2,3,4,5,6= {4}
overlap between teams 1,2,3,7 = {2}
the teams aren't getting grouped to 4 because they picked more games, they're getting grouped because more of them picked 4
if 7 was looking for halo 4 he would get grouped with the rest
it's not the fact that he's picky, it's the fact that he's picky with an unpopular game
it's not really hard to understand
It's not hard to understand that picking any singular game limits your matchmaking capabilities. I don't know why you are being obtuse about this.
>picking any singular game limits your matchmaking capabilities
this is obvious, but the fact that picking a game no one wants to play limits it most of all should be equally obvious
there is no reason the matchmaking algorithm should pick one game over another if there is sufficient overlap between different matchmaking groups
in the example you provided team 7 would have been matched up if he had picked halo 4
This argument has gotten way off track because the original point was that you can't play Halo 2 like it originally was.
Point is you can't play Halo 2 online today and pretend you have experienced anything like the original.
>Point is you can't play Halo 2 online today
you could leave it at this
> nobody cares that you lost an argument.
This is the moment you conceded that you have no position and are just shitposting.
>not some kind of SUPER SPECIAL EXPERIENCE YOU CAN NEVER REPLICATE
NTA but it isn’t nearly as easy nowadays to call someone else in the lobby a nignog while some 12 year old deep throats his mic in an attempt to win an argument by drowning everyone else out with noise
guys you forgot that HALO us unique because i can pick which enemies i can shoot first!
and and and! i can also swap a weapon from a rifle to a sniper, if i need to!
THIS IS GROUNDBREAKING.
It sure beats nu-Doom's selection of a shit gun you never use, less shit gun you use on fodder, three interchangeable non-shit guns and one big gun you never use because you might need it later.
But bro you can QTE punch enemies!!!!!!!!!!!! SO fricking deep!
Why are you still talking about Halo while trying to frame it as nudoom? Halo's always been a game where you use 3 or 4 guns max, whether it be single or multiplayer.
>It sure beats nu-Doom's selection
no, it doesnt.
how fricking completely and utterly god damn moronic a person must be to even say that "i can pick who to shoot first" is a unique mechanic only HALO has, and that it requires skill.
or that HALO lets you change a fricking weapon from a pistol to a rifle.
are you people brain damaged?
what the frick is wrong with you?
Halogays have literally never played anything but Halo, so their point of reference is extremely limited. They've gone from deflecting from CoD to id shooters.
For PC I've played Wolfenstein, Doom 1/2/3, Half Life 1/2, Star Trek Elite Force, NOLF 1/2, C&C Renegade, all the Battlefields, all the Unreal Tournaments, Quake, Counterstrike, and tons more I can't think off the top of my head.
And yet I still love Halo. Sounds like you're projecting.
It allows guns to be more unique.
In nu-doom you'll never, ever use the default pistol and a shotgun is reserved for fodder. In Halo you might be in a weapon-starved level and forced to creatively use shittier weapons.
In nu-Doom there's really marginal differences between a sniper, a rocket launcher and a plasma weapon outside of their specific narrow niches, since you have to be able to clear an arena with one gun if you don't have ammo for another. I frequently found myself swapping one gun for another just to use ammo equally between all guns and it made zero difference. Halo, for good or bad, restricts your selection of guns to what's dropped at the time, so it can force different playstyles on you with different guns.
Nu-doom has one heavy gun, the BFG, and has to restrict the ammo it gives you lest some sections of the game get too easy. And if the game is easy enough already, then you'll never use the BFG since you don't know if you won't need the limited ammo later. Halo, for good or bad, encourages you to actually use the heavy guns since otherwise they just take up a slot and can ratio the kind and number of heavy guns you get.
>It allows guns to be more unique.
And yet they're all clones that fall into one of only 5 or 6 archetypes.
>shit gun you never use,
plasma rifle
>less shit gun you use on fodder,
AR
>three interchangeable non-shit guns
DMR,Carbine,Magnum
>and one big gun you never use
Rocket launcher is the bfg of halo
>plasma rifle
Good for shields if you don't slavishly adhere to the plasma pistol cheese.
>AR
Point taken.
>DMR,Carbine,Magnum
I concede, Halo does have a problem with samey precision weapons.
>and one big gun you never use
There's variety to it. Fuel rod cannon, rocket launcher, grenade launcher, sniper rifles are all different and kind of count as BFGs. There's also gimmicky guns like the needler which can erase a single elite in some situations.
The Needler is just another automatic weapon, with the gimmick of putting in all of its damage at once instead of over time.
Not them but I think the needler is distinct enough to count as it's own thing. The "all or nothing" nature of the gun gives it a sort of unique utility and tactile distinction of use that you don't really use it in the same niches or even really aim and shoot with it in the same way you do other weapons
The Needler has a unique gimmick, but the function is exactly the same as any other automatic in the series. You point in the general direction of an enemy, then hold the trigger until it dies.
No, that's exactly what i'm refuting.
The AR, SMG, etc are spray and pray weapons. You aim at the enemy up close, and they get peppered, or if you wanna pretend you're being more tactical then that, you use short bursts (which actually is worthwhile in some of the games, and leads to less of you just spraying at enemies, and more you reactively altering the length of your trigger pulls and waiting to pull the trigger again till the spread is reigned in and the enemy is in the center of the reticule again), which gradually whittles down their health.
The Needler is more about you waiting for the enemy to be in the sweet spot where the needles have the travel time to home in, but aren't so far away the tracking doesn't go away, and also where you have a direct clean line of sight for the full duration of your needle volley and where the enemy is caught out in the open, and then you actually hold the trigger down for a specific, learned period to release JUST the right amount of needles, not too few or else no supercombine and you may as well have done nothing, but not too much or else you're wasting ammo.
In terms of the actual tactile way you use it, line shots up, hold the trigger down, etc, it's as or more different vs the AR then say the AR is vs the BR or the Brute shot. And in terms of niche, it's also specifically a anti-high-value-infantry weapon, it's basically pointless against grunts or jackals or hunters but is etremely useful vs heavily sheilded elites and brutes.
Also, too add, the Halo Infinite needler is a perfect example of this distinction, because they made it much more like other automatics and it feels a lot less interesting to use as a result:
In Infinite, the needles stay inside the target for much longer, so the need for you to land the exact amount of needles needed vs too few of them is lessened, and it's effectively no different from the amount of time it takes for shields to recharge so it may as well be normal damage. The needles themselves also do more damage on impact, so you can get kills without supercombines vs weakened enemies. The Needler also has much more spread, and with much more forgiving tracking close up, but this leads to it being less able to track enemies further out, leading to you more or less spraying with it point blank rather then carefully lining shots up in the sweet spot range, etc.
It's upsetting that there isn't a Needler variant that follows where your reticle is pointed, like the Cindershot.
I don't think that'd work that well. That sort of functionality works for single shot high damage and aoe weapons, but for multiple small individual projectiles I think it'd be sorta jank
It's far more interesting than the lock-on variant that's already in the game.
Anon, Halo is more primitive than fricking Doom II. It was a step down from even Quake / Half-Life in every regard.
The only people who think Halo is good are morons with shit taste who were too poor for a PC and had the scraps of the genre.
Reminder: Halo aims for you and heals you if you hide.
>Halo aims for you
top kek. thanks for playing. don't embarrass yourself like this.
>he actually thinks he's aiming in halo
Zoomie homosexual
You’re a homosexual too
worst of all is HALO gays trying to convince the whole planet that their casual gay little game requires skill.
just a few posts up the poor dude went on a rant how he "totally owned everybody" and how HALO has some uhhh... techniques and mechanics? like..... switching from a pistol to a rocket launcher when a monke pops up, no other game ever had this before.
totally groundbreaking.
or, shit - that - omg thats just pure mega skill only HALO has - that you can PICK which enemy to shoot first.
the screeching goblins who run away, or something bigger.
frick, HALO fans are a joke that writes itself.
there's multiple people arguing multiple things in this thread, but I guess you can attribute every pro-Halo post to me if it helps you sleep at night. I know Halo lives in your head rent free and that you still get restless nights knowing that your precious quake is deader than the dodo.
He just needs something to feel superior to. If he can convince himself that Halo is a game for cavemen, it makes his precious nu-doom look halfway good.
>your precious quake is deader than the dodo.
hahahahahahahahahaha
HALO is in the coffin right next to the dodo.
>posts a screenshot proving my point
quakegays really are fricking dumb, aren't they? Not only did you expose yourself for being a quakegay, but you fail to understand basic numbers.
now we know why halo is too advanced for you.
>cries about quake, doom and halo for 50 posts
i just compared dead quake to dead halo.
the last time i played quake was when the WTC towers were still standing.
>powerwash simulator and farming simulator 22 are more popular than Halo Infinite
>i just compared dead quake to dead halo
And in the process proved Halo has 10 times the playerbase. Woops!
>3500 people
congratulations, i guess? you beat a free-to-play shitty quake clone, truly an achievement.
well, the aliens do look gay.
the guns, too.
extremely gay.
Now that you mention it, wow there's a lot of gay things in Halo.
>Military gung-ho stuff starting in 2
>Brutes
>Jackal twinks
>"Needler"
>Stripping "shields"
>Humanity engineers big, manly men as their ace-in-the-hole against the Covenant
What an incredibly gay franchise.
Sounds like you'd love it.
those little goblins that run away crying like little girls has to be the most cringe thing i have ever seen in a shooter game.
what the frick.
>xhe doesn’t like shooting the funny little creatures
NGMI
>HALO IS TOO INTELLIGENT! YOU NEED 200 IQ!
lmao
lets look at your fricking "arguments" that HALO requires 200 IQ to play its incredibly super brain melting tactics, as seen in this webm, here:
now lets analize your fricking bullshit, aye?
>Clearing up fodder with precision weapons first
>Separating tough enemies and killing them one-on-one
ok? both these lines say the same thing, and isnt this in literally every single motherfricking FPS game that ever existed?
heavy/specialized weapons
what does this even mean?
managing heavy weapons?
>AH FRICK A BIG MONKE! ME SHOOT ROCKET AT MONKE!
oh frick you really needed 200 IQ for that.
lets just keep laughing at this webm:
i swear to god HALO fans are the saddest and poorest motherfrickers in the world.
>argument is a strawman webm
>not dissimilar to the same strawman webms that were made for doom
I guess I'll just post the doom QTE webms and leave it at that then?
The thing is there is nothing in the world that will change your mind. I've seen people like you play the game and it's actually embarrassing. You don't have a grasp on the mechanics. You think you do because of your "FPS legacy" but you miss the most basic things. You're a moron.
>I guess I'll just post the doom QTE webms and leave it at that then?
i dont even know what you mean - please do, post them - we need more reminders how better DOOM is from HALO gay ass.
>I guess I'll just post the doom QTE webms and leave it at that then?
I'd gladly take Glory kills over hiding and reloading every 5 seconds.
>You don't have a grasp on the mechanics.
What mechanics?
I said "minimum" of tactics. I never claimed that it needed more than 100 "IQ". It's certainly better than Doom's mindless circlestrafing and arguably better than nu-Doom spastic movement and weapon switching.
>both these lines say the same thing
They don't.
>Managing heavy/specialized weapons
Meaning knowing how to use up this rocket launcher / sniper rifle so you don't lug it around forever, or knowing the right situation to pick up that damn needler. As I said, bare minimum.
>i have to decide if i will shot a rocket, on use a sniper
oh jesus thats groundbreaking, no other FPS game in history ever let you swap guns when the situations demanded it.
this, played deus ex last year too and it became one of my favorite game, gaylo2anon is just seething that not everybody is blinded by nostalgia.
HALO is directly responsible for destroying the FPS genre for almost 20 years, it took DOOM 2016 to finally fix the situation.
i tried playing these HALO games last year and i just couldnt, these games are fricking unbearable to play.
To this day i cannot understand the popularity of this franchise. I just cant.
>DOOM 2016
lmao
filtered
You don't understand the game because you're a filtered moron who can't into the mechanics. I've watched people like you play. You'll use an SMG against legendary A.I., you'll avoid the plasma pistol, never use grenades, never use the environment.
Simple fact is that Halo is too intelligent for morons like yourself.
NTA, but plasma pistols are boring as hell and feel cheesy. Wait for it to charge up behind cover, pray that the enemy doesn't dodge and get an all-or-nothing result. I'd rather do without and strip shields in more fun ways.
>you need 200 IQ to understand HALO and its slow ass fricking moronic console bullshit
oh ok, i get it now, thanks.
i had no idea i need to be in MENSA to hold down the trigger and stand in 1 spot for 15 seconds.
oh, and maybe throw a grenade from time to time.
this.
and lets not forget the gay looking aliens, and the gay looking guns.
these little goblins who screech like girls and run away waving their arms are just a total buzzkill.
To be fair anon, Halo is more complex than just standing in place and holding down a button. If you want a game like this except with circle-strafing, play the original Doom. There's a bare minimum of tactics involved in Halo.
>Clearing up fodder with precision weapons first
>Separating tough enemies and killing them one-on-one
>Spamming grenades to buy time when out of health
>Managing heavy/specialized weapons
i can never tell if HALO fans are serious with their posts, or just trolling the frick out of everybody.
I would pay good money to watch you complete Halo 2 on legendary. How quickly your smug zoomer face would melt.
>Get one shot by snipers: the difficulty
Anon, please. 2's combat is absolute trash and Arbiter levels are the best simply because you can stealth past all that garbage.
Thank you for confirming you're pleb. Back to Doom QTEs for you, that's much more on your level.
>because you're a filtered moron who can't into the mechanics
what mechanics??
what mechanics?
what use of environment?
Plasma pistol cheese and throwing nades are"mechanics"?
Lol I like Halo for what is but it's just a slow console shooter with bad AI and good music with one weapon worth using (magnum, br, dmr) per game and one cheese (pp)
Normal difficulty shitter.
Halo has vehicles, is more of a sandbox shooter
You are a braindead fricking moron
You are comparing apples to oranges.
DOOM is a PC shooter.
Halo is a Console shooter.
Console users are twiddling their thumbs on a 60hz TV with wireless controllers / large input lag etc. etc.
kys fricking homosexual.
he mad.
>presses X in your path
Halo 2 is utter dogshit and I'm tired of pretending it's not
I fricking swear this is starting to feel like Im living inside a simulation. Just days ago i finished mcc, started going deep on the lore. Now i see Halo posts EVERYWHERE. Fricking spy bots man Im gonna loose it
what'd you think of the series anon? go into as much autistic detail as you're willing.
What books/comics you reading?
There has always been halo posts, you're just now starting to get interested in them.
>arguably better than nu-Doom spastic movement and weapon switching.
use your words. substantiate how anon.
Daily reminder that the PC morons that are calling this babbies first FPS are the same people who went into multiplayer for the first time, versed veterans of 20 years, never strafed, never used grenades, always challenged with zero shields, never pushed weapon spawns... and then had the nerve to complain about controllers. They got rekt so hard they had to complain about muh controllers. Actual embarrassments. It was so fun to humiliate them in the first few weeks of MCC PC... while using a mouse and keyboard. kek!
halo players feel like participants in the special olympics, they really feel like its an achievement.
And yet you got rekt. What does that say about you, moron?
rekt in what?
In multiplayer. Like the rest of you morons who ventured into it to "own" the controller players. Yet instantly complained when it wasn't going your way despite you not having a grasp on anything.
I loved being accused of using a controller while actually using a M&K. It was so funny to see you morons squirm. It was total proof that PCgays are just pretenders. They talk a big game but are total chumps.
Halo was designed for auto-aim and analog anon. You're fooling nobody.
And yet I owned you on PC, with a mouse and keyboard, with no aim assist. Funny how that works.
Anon, nobody "owned" anyone on Halo. It has no mechanics, it requires no skill.
That's what you tell yourself after you got owned, yes.
It's much easier to say it's not your type of gameand leave it at that. Instead you cope and pretend.
There's nothing uglier than a person saying "this game sucks" because they got owned. You don't have to win at everything, anon.
>That's what you tell yourself after you got owned, yes.
Anon, nobody "owned" anyone on Halo. It has no mechanics, it requires no skill. Your inability to explain any of Halos mechanics speaks volumes.
>copy-pastes his own post again
Thanks for playing. Will chalk that up as another win.
So you agree with me halo is a no skill game and has no mechanics. I accept your concession.
you owned nobody.
>yah-uh i totally did!
ok, post my stats in HALO, then.
he tried to tell me that switching from a pistol to a rocket launcher is a unique mechanic only HALO has, and - holy shit - in HALO you have to PICK which enemy to shoot first!
WHOA!
HOLY MOTHERFRICKING JESUS! nobody has ever seen this in a fricking FPS before!
2>3>5>Reach>Infinite>4>CE
Based for ranking 2 that high.
Cringe for ranking CE that low.
its like ranking the best ed sheeran songs.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/store/most-played/games/xbox
>powerwash simulator and farming simulator 22 are more popular than Halo Infinite
L M A O
i always beat halo 3 in one day
halo 3 feels more like a Hollywood movie
what a frickin pleb holy shit
Halo 2 was the only good game unironically. The multiplayer for 1 and 3 were ass while 2 flowed perfectly.
Halo 1 multiplayer is the perfect Halo game, but only under specific conditions. Halo 2 made things more accessible to people who were going 1-30 in CE.
The janky BR alone makes it shit.
Halo 3
Halo CE Campaign
ODST Campaign
Halo 2 Anniversary multiplayer
Halo Reach Firefight
Halo Infinite Campaign
ODST Firefight
Halo Reach Campaign
Halo 2
Halo Infinite multiplayer
Halo 4 = Halo Reach multiplayer
Halo CE multiplayer
If we're talking modded content/custom edition then Halo CE jumps up to Halo 3-tier.
>CE at the bottom
>even below reach and H4
>below infinite
Filtered.
The issue is that I played a shitload of custom edition on PC. Trying to go back to og vanilla CE is suffering. On MCC, I tried playing CE BTB and I was stuck playing back to back matches of nothing but Boarding action with pistols. That's super boring. If I'm gonna play CE I want all my modded jets, gundams, longsword nukes, motorcycles, and massive back. The vehicles in CE don't even get destroyed so most of the vehicles are stuck in the middle of the map while you're at the opposite end having to run around like an idiot with only your pistol. There's no variety in OG CE.
Imagine being this contrarian, the franchise is in the dumpster and 3 is still way better than anything since. If you prefer 2 that's cool but this is stupid
>boomer shooter virgins still seething over Halo 20 years later
For me, it's Halo 4 Cortana
halo 3
What an irrelevant point.
Yes, 343 is shit.
Yes, MCC launch was so bad you couldn't even play it.
Yes, MCC is still shit.
But MCC today is infinitely better and fundamentally changed than the original MCC.
I bought an Xbox for MCC. You're stupid and have no proof to back up your claims.
Why is the story a mess?
It's completely fine. There's nothing wrong with it
No.
>Butchers the Prophet of Truth and completely changes his character to be a generic cult leader instead of a scheming politician with deeper goals
>Cortana's entire gambit and the Gravemind falling for it relies on complete contrivance and the latter being dumb
>All of Halo 2's world-building and multilayered foreshadowing and environmental storytelling is thrown out the window
>The Arbiter is completely sidelined, literally only has like 3 lines in the game if you're playing co-op and even the solo only dialog is easily missed and inconsequential
Not to mention the bit where truth needs a human to start the ark so they send a human (Johnson) to deal with him and get captured.
You mean apart from sidelining arbiter, turning Miranda into a self-parody, ruining the prophet of Truth, rushing through the story, and ruining the tone?
its pretty overrated. some great moments, but its not a masterpiece by any stretch. Same goes for halo 2. Halo CE's campaign will forever reign king. Anyone who says otherwise has awful taste and you should avoid their opinions on anything. I always use halo ce as a litmus test to filter out plebs.
It's taken me 10+ years to "understand" how each level flows into one another. Things in Halo 3 just happen like it's literally the "and then THIS happened! And then THAT happened!" of the Halo franchise. Even the dialogue takes a huge step down from Halo 2 "I am a monument to all your sins" kino
strange thread here. Nearly every kind of Haloposter is here and the muh afps guys too