This is a fricking goldmine.
VGC players are so fricking lazy.
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VGC players are so fricking lazy.
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stop spamming threads about this shit
stop crying about it then TrainerRobVGC
"Everyone does it.. why me???"
I hate when people do this. Like when you and someone else are speeding down a road, but the cop pulls you over. "Why me and not him?"
Because you were the one they caught, dumbfrick.
A better analogy would be, in the context of HOME Trackers
>Why did you pull me over for speeding? That guy was speeding too.
>Yeah, but you have a fake license plate that says FRICKPIGS
>FRICKPIGS.YT
That's not what I was taught...
"Everyone does it" I hate this cope so much
Kaphotics, the creator of the very tool that powers 99% of hacks investigates this bullshit and shows it's not correct
Wrong. It's just that a lot of people didn't get caught cheating.
Yeah some people really overestimate how difficult it is to hack mons that pass the safety checks.
It looks like roughly 50% of the people do it. Then on top of that, you might have people who did it properly and didn't get caught.
So that sounds like just about everyone.
>has access to the most casuallized breeding/training mechanics the franchise has ever seen
>still feels justified hacking their entire team
Sad.
cheating is based and should continue to be the default until it doesn't take 20 hours to train a full competitive team
and cheaters being dq'd for being moronic is even more based. These homosexuals couldn't even do the bare minimum of cheating properly
>until it doesn't take 20 hours to train a full competitive team
It's already like that.
It can still take up to 10 hours depending on what Pokemon you're training. If you don't have much time to play each day then that can be a week+ to get a legit competitive team.
It takes like 30 minutes tops per Pokemon and you can do them in batches, honestly wtf are you doing
trying to turn on his switch
It takes 30 minutes if you're going for a simple 252 252 4 5IV Pokemon. It takes 20 hours if you're going for a 0 IV legendary from a different game. No one cares or is complaining about the easy cases, it's the edge cases they're talking about.
It's a 1/32 chance to get a 0IV in atk, and if you want a trick room 0 spd that goes up to 1/1024 which is still better odds than most shiny hunts. Minus very very specific cases like Cresselia, 0Ivs in attack will be more than enough and a 1/32 chance is hella easy to get.
Is it annoying and a tedious process? Sure, but it's not a full 20 hour issue anymore. You could even do it on an emulator with speedup and then export your save or something and it'd look the exact same.
I do want to add to this, because lvl 50 mons are literally lvl100 pokemon divided by 2 but stats truncate to round down you can actually run 1 IV on some stats for the same effect, you'd have to check to make sure the resulting pokemon would have the same stat because it doesnt always work this way. Same for 30 instead of 31 IVs. Difficulty is you wont just be able to read "no good" or "perfect" so you may also need to raise it a little to be able to tell if youre going from breeding
Then again, even if you let's say use a spread like 4/248/4/0/4/248 because it doesn't matter if 248 EVs or 252, 4 Def and SpDef at Lv.50 won't matter either.
So players will stick to traditional splits.
Sir I could probably get a box of 0 speed teddiursa with ease, train them in batches of 5 to 252 HP and attack on a bunck of marrill and get them to 50 for hyper training in less than 4 hours then send the full box of Ursaring to PLA and rest full days till I get a full moon then evolve them all in batches of 6
The only time consuming part of training a Pokémon like Ursaluna is getting 30 peat blocks in PLA, and the reason I haven't done a full box giveaway of competitive legit Ursalunas wich I'm kinda tempted to do now that these idiots got fricked over such an easy task
It's not that time consuming
cheating is usually based, but in this instance you should be fricking required to put 10000 hours into this nonsense as a baseline just like all the other sportball and gay fricking activities people are allowed to make money doing we already have
>20 hours
b***h this is your JOB! you can commit hours to making a team. Get a different job if that's to much for you.
Its their job? Shit you mean I can make good money just playing pokemon? Where do I sign up?
>Shit you mean I can make good money just playing pokemon?
On twitch and youtube, these grifters make tons of money. Twitched had a leak and we were able to tell what everyone made in a year dude. Even low tier grifters make 3k with taxes a month.
Can't you just cheat to get the mon and then breed a legal one or something to avoid trouble?
For most Pokemon. The only thing that's bullshit is 0 speed/attack Cresselia.
Honestly if you're gonna use something niche even if it isn't optimal I think it should fully be on you to put in the time and effort. You're willing to spend literal thousands of dollars for a trip to Japan but not a couple hours researching RNG manipulation nor do you have a backup plan?
these morons aren't even willing to spend 10 dollars on a used copy of PLA or Swooshie. It's funny
why would you even need 0 attack? nothing runs foul play and the only way you're ever getting confused in vgc is by hurricane from pelipper
Because people want to have the most optimal stats for important tournaments. Strength Sap Brambleghast made top 16, Pelipper is common, Swagger is a thing, Foul Play sees use randomly on many things.
Isn't that one not that hard because you can just soft reset in BDSP, where as Enamorus is a legit pain in the dick? Even then you can just fricking spoof in hacked Pokemon from the 3DS with legit looking data and the Bank to Home transfer basically makes them legit.
Any legend pokemon in gen 6 or later has 3 out of 6 stats set to 31, so while thats good for ORAS where caps dont yet exist it makes it even harder to 0IV hunt as theres a 50% chance the stat in question will just default to 31IVs
In this case, the main thing they just needed to do was have it touch Home (if it needed to come from Home, one way or another).
I've got no problem with hacking in mons if they actually took the time to customize all the fields and make a fully legit seeming Pokemon. If you didn't check all the intricate boxes like size and memory, that's on you.
Given that video game cheats are outright illegal in Japan, he's lucky he got only DQ'd.
Either get better at hacking in your pokemon or pay for someone else to catch your 0 speed IV enamorus
Hacking is illegal in japan. Why do VGC players think they are above the rules? Hopefully this is a wakeup call to crack down on cheating. It's not that I'm against it, but the salt this has produced has been amazing.
Americans always think we’re above the rules, especially if foreign countries.
>Roberto Parente
>Federico Camporesi
>Guillermo Kasty
>American
America is israelite, black and Hispanic.
They're Italians lmao
Italians are honorary spics
>Hacking is illegal in japan.
So is public intoxication, and yet you can see a salaryman and/or his boss drunk off their asses every night.
>Whataboutism
Wait, so compgays never actually played the games themselves?
LOL.
LMAO.
No wonder they never had an issue with the games being shit, they just play simulators! Fricking homosexuals. I hope Gamefreak DMCA's their asses so they have to suffer like the rest of the fanbase.
Yes.
Do you play as the female trainers OP?
Just share your discord already. wants it but is too shy to ask for it
It's just a gacha spam account.
So what about hacking in items? Will you get flagged for hacking in berries/feathers/vitamins for evs or the ability patches and bottle caps?
probably not but god damn just play the fricking game
it's baby mode moron level easy to get what you want in it now
Flagged by TPC? No.
However, the verdict is still out on what Nintendo checks for when it comes to CFW. It's very possible that they data hoard checksums or the like.
I hack too but if you go to an official competition and get caught cheating I'm not gonna have any sympathy for you.
Which Pokémon got him flagged? PKHex has a built in legality checker iirc
The prevailing theory is that they are able to pair it with HOME servers now, and check your HOME Tracker. PKHex will not flag illegitimate for this for two reasons:
1.) If there is a Home Tracker number, PKhex does not connect to Nintendo servers in any way and is unable to verify if it is the correct tracker
2.) PKHex, by default, does not flag if your home tracker is zeroed out (as is common with trademons). However, if the Pokemon does not originate in SV, it is impossible to NOT have a home tracker through legitimate play.
Home tracker?
So Pokémon that have to go through Home have another hidden ID on them? What about Pokémon that haven't been to home?
Hell, I don't even need to try to give you the technical stuff. It's literally on bulbapedia, that probably fits someone who needs to be spoonfed better.
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_HOME#Game-specific_data_and_HOME_tracker_value
Sorry I asked.
Go frick yourself
This. There is no "git gud" at hacking. they will KNOW if your shit is not legitimate. no longer possible to used genned shit at a championship level and get away with it
This is false. If a mon originated from a previous game (e.g PLA) all you have to do is inject directly into that game, send to home, then send to SV. If it's an SV mon, then no home tracker is needed so you can just inject directly.
Either way, it's not too hard to make a mon that is byte-by-byte completely legal and the players who are getting caught were just extremely lazy.
>use PKSM instead of pkHex
>legal check - fix dates, catch location, etc
>make sure there’s no autistic GENGARS ot or other blatant shit
>transfer to bank
>unique ID is good2go
or
>all of the above
>trade genned for mon you want
>hackcheck, if bad toss it and go back to start
Finally
>use bottlecaps instead of perfect IVs
>use vitamins instead of perfect EV manipulation
VGCxisters can’t be this incompetent, can they? There’s no way they have MACHAMPS on their team lmao
I mean, this guy who posted his rental had no encryption constants on his entire team, lol. So yes.
>VGCumstains can’t use the most basic genning software imaginable
Good, best case scenario all of the GENGARS/MACHAMPS/dumbshit.YT shitmons get filtered and I can continue to give away and rip-off morons with PKSM transfers that aren’t utter dogshit because GameFreak is still moronic with hack checks, yet somehow the VGC community, notorious for hacking their Pokemon, are somehow bigger mouth breathers.
What's the GENGARS/MACHAMP thing?
I have never heard of this
You would be surprised at how many VGC rental teams have 993401 as their Trainer ID (which is TID 12345/SID 54321 converted to Gen7ID. the default value for pkhex with no save loaded)
Just make your trainer's name GENGARS in the save you take to VGC, that'll show em
>use PKSM for gen 1-7
>problem entirely averted
>catch gen 8/9 Pokemon
>edit
>problem solved
If morons are too incompetent to understand this workaround, then they deserve to waste thousands of dollars just to get kicked out of the kid’s game tournament lol
What does PKSM do for gen 1-7 that PKHex doesn't?
PKSM is just an on-console GUI for PKHex, which directly edits the file on your system instead of having to dump/restore saves.
Negates HOME checker due to Bank-Home creating a SwSh checker ID
This isn't a PKSM feature. It's literally just transferring your mons to HOME from Bank.
Which negates the Home ID checker. We’re talking people who leave PIDs as 12345, it’s not exactly hex code editing here. For the absolute brainlets trying to import gens 1(VC)-7, PKSM is the best. Also, the online GTS in PKSM is always a trip to go through
I used pkhex during Gen 6 but quickly dropped it during SwSh and SV. I would never go back. It really does feel dirty and forces you to rethink alot of stuff. There is definitely a wall of dissonance between someone who plays Pokemon a shiton and uses pkhex, and someone who also plays Pokemon a shitton but doesn't. There is an objectively superior player and any kind of camaraderie could never blossom between the two no matter how deep their love of Pokemon goes. For example, that supposed punk in the twitter OP is just a complete embarrassment and genuine failure for having been caught essentially cheating.
bro you can't ban my Ting-Lu named MACHAMPS.COM he was my bro I trained from the very start I deserve respect :~~*
can you imagine lebron pissing hot and going on twitter like "wow can you believe these guys man wtf everyone juices we need RESPECT"
Yeah but from ruling point of view you still can get DQ'd for it so you can put your morality up your ass.
I don't get it. If you want to cheat then cheat better. They got DG'd because they fricked up.
No, because it’s Japan. Doing that shit is actually illegal but they can’t make a scene and get all the round-eyes arrested.
>Doing that shit is actually illegal
>disgualified
If you play single player, sure.
If you play competitively, frick no.
I'LL STAY ALIVE AND DOING BEST I CAN WITH MY LIFE while you got DQ'd not for cheating in children dogfighting simulator but for being a moron that got caught for most trivial case of not knowing what you do.
Honestly it's sad that people are getting simple DQ, GF should step up their game against cheaters and swing permament bans left and right. Then maybe homosexuals like you will frick off.
>I NEED a shiny
Is there literaly any concept outside of battling that these morons understand?
>Ampharos
>VGC
how high is this player's elo?
She realizes it's faster to just sandwich hunt a shiny 0 spe Ampharos, right?
That's the whole point anon. They don't play the games, thus are still thinking of comp building as the old autistic way (where yes, hacking is clearly fricking quicker). So she's sperging about shit anyone who's played the game to endgame and done some raids knows innately.
I'm amazed at the fact that people are that desperate for a shiny
>EV train all 6 mons
EV'ing just needs you to buy some vitamins what is this bawd on about?
Getting money to buy supplements takes a long time in this game, certainly more than 30 minutes not including the precious seconds spent on TMs and hyper training
Hack in the vitamins
>NOOOO YOU CANT INJECT POKEMON, THATS CREATING!
>moron, EV TRAINING LEGIT IS SO EASY IF YOU JUST CHEST THE ITEMS AND MONEY!
Your argument speaks volumes
ESL? Either that or you're so mad you're typing like a moron.
It's both
It feels like phone posting
>Getting money to buy supplements takes a long time in this game
>Hack in 999 ability patches
>Sell 100
>Have 12 million poke to buy as much vitamins as you want
If you're going to hack why not just inject the Pokemon directly? Also not everyone has a hacked Switch. Most people just use pkhex and discord trade bots.
Because there's a billion more stipulations and risks that come with injecting the Pokemon. Nobody's gonna care about your stack of 999 ability patches that you use as funds. They WILL care about illegitimate Pokemon.
>Because there's a billion more stipulations and risks that come with injecting the Pokemon.
It's literally a few variables that the pkhex checker will tell you if they're not legal lmao. VGC players are just morons.
>uuhh I'll just leave Paldea as the region my Urshifu was caught in, nobody will notice!
In x and y you could legit fully train evs in 15 mins with horde battles and a pokemon with a multi hit move like surf and an exp share
Shit was awesome I hated that they took it out. I made a full team in that game in like maybe 16 hours breeding and training and if my cart didn't get stolen by one of my "friends" id still be using them today. It still stings
the only thing actually needed here are EV train and tera shards and only tera shards require some time
but god forbid you spend some time preparing for the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP that's completely uncalled for!!
>MUH SHINEEES
Most shinies look like dogshit compared to the original colors; you aren’t impressing anyone with one at a regional when you can literally get one in 5 mins with sandwiches now anyway.
Shinies aren't necessary, I just like some of them because I'm autistic when it comes to customization. Blue Gardevoir and green Masquerain just look neat to me. But both those mons I caught and trained legitimately, because I'm not a lazy moron.
>grinding for tera shards
If as a "pro player" you've somehow managed to dodge two Blissey events which could be extended indefinitely by not connecting to the internet, it's on you for being a complete shitter
It's almost like DQ'd shitters don't even play the game
none of this morons worked a 9 to 5 before and it shows
>soft reset legendaries
grind a few hours. there's money in play and you shouldn't need to do it often. You can change moves at any moment without cost now. No need to have a lot of pokemon from the same species unless the sets are really different.
>0 iv dittos
you grind them once and that's it. transfer them between games and generations
>ev train
there's no training since gen 7, just roid them with vitamins
>tera shards
map indicates the type, not the hardest thing to grind with a lv 100 mon
>shiny
doesn't affect battles, use a regular colored mon. it's also easier than ever to get them
also, you can inject the vitamins, xp candies, held items, gold caps, ability capsules/patches and tera shards without modifying the pokemon data, get fricked if you got caught for cheating stupidly
I would get if this was an older gen, but you don't have to do shit anymore.
Compgays dont actually like pokemon but they are too stupid to play real competitive games so they stick with it
Mott and bailey argument
Subtract how wrong he is about shinies and breeding, IV resetting, and shard hunting still make it a commitment
lmao, cheaters BTFO
If you just breed with a genned ditto then it's still undetectable, right?
I don't see what the big deal is.
If the pokemon can be obtained natty, it should be tournament legal.
It's just fun to watch the entitlement and seethe.
I dunno, man.
Refs are the jannies of competitive vidya. Making them seethe has their own merits.
i suppose its more the fact is that they fricked up and made it easy to catch the injected mons. they weren't smart about it and got dq'd. no sympathy.
The issue is the 'mon in question (Ursaluna) can't be naturally acquired in SV yet. It needs to go through Home from Legends.
The people getting DQ'ed have no legitimate Home tracker on their non-Paldean pokémon, thus were clearly and obviously hacking.
>I totally wouldn't cheat if those Pokemon were more accessible!
So why did they also gen SV native Pokemon like the paradoxes?
Simple, compgays literally do not play the fricking games. All they care about is playing their gay ass unofficial simulators.
so, who got fricked?
>VGC players, after months of defending the games, are now having a meltdown at the idea of playing the games
oh ho ho ho how delightful
I hope the VGC b***h-tears flow enough to sink Japan into the ocean.
>put heart and soul into a game they don't play
neither do you
>yes i do!
look at this gay that bought SV
Stay mad DQgay
What's interesting to me about this is that he's kinda right, to an extent, but not in the way he thinks.
The frickin neet autists who would never dream of hacking because muh impure don't have the money to make it to a regionals (speaking in terms of the UK anyway), let alone worlds. Meanwhile the majority of westerners in the vgc are rich kids who can freely take a week to frick off to Japan, but God forbid they have to make their own teams cos that'd mean they lose out on time, idk, snorting coke or whatever rich kids do
Great point, Im definitely a no hacking autist (not a neet though) but then again I play pokemon for fun and not for metashit, Im only in this thread to laugh at these subhumans
>Hey, get 50 Tera shards so your Flutter Mane can go from Tera water to Tera grass
>Has money to go to Japan
>Doesn't have money to buy PLA
Make it make sense
imagine being so bad at a children's game you need to cheat to win lmao.
I love how nu-Pokemon is so fricking unfun that people would rather cheat than play the game despite it letting you boost any shitmon to perfect IVs + nature
Even VGC is unfun, with every match being essentially a mirror match.
It's amazing really
NOOOOOO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND I NEED MY ENAMORUS-T TO HAVE 0 SPEED IVS
This edit is funny. I wish the one you used for pin worked if they had an item and would replace it.
The only difference between his Urshifu and a "legit" one is that he accidentally set Pokemon Scarlet as its origin(Giving away that it's genned since it can't be caught in that game) instead of SwSh. Other than that it's identical to a "legit" one and provides no advantage over it so it's dumb for him to get banned for it.
He's pretty dumb to get something that simple wrong
>It's dumb that he got caught genning and DQ'd
Based moron.
It's dumb because it's not like he had any kind of advantage from it.
Again, if you're going to cheat at least be diligent. Your match will count as a forfeit if anything on your team sheet is incorrect. Is that dumb? Normal players can follow the rules, cheating trannies should be able to as well.
>modding in japan is illegal
send those burgers to the brig
Quick rundown?
Did the ban a bunch of cheaters? Did the catch everyone or only the morons? Because everyone cheats
They DQ'd people for failing legality checks. Those players are throwing fits because they think they should be allowed to cheat freely.
So how many did they catch? Because if the checks are good enough then 95% of players would be DQ
We know of 4 or 5, but they have bigger Twitter presences
Basically they caught people who had pokemon that are "from older games" but didn't have any tracker that is assigned to pokemon when they move through Home
I read on Project Pokemon that legendaries are actually hard to gen legally that will pass tournament checks
You can't just gen a 6IV shitter then breed it with a 6IV Ditto
It's not hard at all.
Just make it so Genning Pokemon is legal and give out the tools to let people gen their teams.
There, the major cheating issues in VGC now are all gone, and the game is more fun too.
why not just use your favorites and have fun? Its not like you win anything
Anon, they're competing for 10k. They're mad that they got caught cheating for 10k.
Oh they have money prizes? I thought they didnt, still 10k is not that much.
You go girl! Rise up!
Jesus. Just play Showdown, fricking loser.
>on strike
Is this seriously the job of these troons
...but they're literally making it easier and easier to get viable Pokemon every gen so you no longer need to be diagnosed with autism to have a legal competitive team. This is what these fricks are asking for and they don't even acknowledge it.
>all the cheaters go on a strike
vgc is healing
No. As long as I have to buy a game, a DLC or even use a Nintendo Account (which is illegal where I live btw), VGC will never be healthy.
VGC will never have Pachirisu.
VGC will never have Farigiraf.
VGC will always have Landorus-T, Landorus-T at home, Incelroar and Flutter Mane.
Wasn't Farigaraf literally in the finals?
I haven't seen one in the very first Gen 9 battles some months ago.
Then paradox pokemon were allowed, then shit like Cancerous-T and Incineroar. I don't think that flood of power creep will help Farigiraf to rise up.
There were many Farigiraf. There was also an Articuno with Bright Powder.
sucks to be a poorgay who cant affortd a game I guess. Maybe they (you) need to work on that before thinking about competing in a video game.
No thanks. I pirate games, I'm proud of it. A jailbreaked switch without a nintendo account is already a DQ for them, so no, competing is out question even when I have a million dollars on my balance.
>cheaters always have Landorus-T, Landorus-T at home, Incelroar and Flutter Mane
uh... what's your point again?
>going to official tournaments with pirated copies
>50 people (at absolute fricking best) decide to go "on strike" and forego VGC
>TPCi doesn't notice whatsoever as others take their place
these e-celebs think very highly of themselves
I'm going to specifically git gud at VGC to take this gay's place.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Chamaco pendejo
>Japan auto wins
This is TPCs wet dream what is he thinking?
i hope they do, i want to see their reaction when no one gives a frick and some randoms start winning regionals and they realize they are not even close as important as they think they are
>Generate the perfect genes, IVs, nature, and egg moves onto a Rowlet
>Breed it
>Raise this new Rowlet who has no signs of being genned
Why is this so hard?
>because theyre fricking moronic
these people are some of the laziest people in any game ive ever met. they dont actually play the game, they only play showdown or comp with hacked mons. they have no idea how to breed or acquire specific mons/stats/items/abilities because all theyve ever done was using showdown or pkhex. they get filtered out quick that they dont actually know how to play the game so they reeeeee out
>they have no idea how to breed
What's with this argument, especially one towards playing the game? Nobody in SV breeds for shit anymore.
its not the actual function of breeding you autistic frick, its meant that the basic concept of how they go about obtaining the specific mons they need for comp, is beyond them. circling back to....they dont know how to play the fricking game without cheating.
it
too much work
How fricking moronic are they? The only thing that would need hacking is Enamorus-Therian because getting proper ivs for her is moronic. Any other older legendary is a previous vgc staple they should have regardless.
>”B-but you don’t understand! I NEED to hack 0IV speed so I can use Enamorus-T! Everyone is using it! It’s so meta defining they’re using it more than BRUXISH! I’m literally crippled if I can’t gen it onto my team!”
Verlisify has taken all of his prescription Adderall at once to shitpost about "Pokemon Cheaters" for 24 hours. How pathetic!
Verlisify and pathetic go together like Plusle and Minun.
It's not fricking hard.
Is this a joke? That's complicated as frick
No it isn't. tldr;
UNGA use bottle cap
UNGA use mint
UNGA use vitamin
BUNGA ability patch
>grind for days
>grind for days
play the fricking games or just gen correctly
Assuming you don’t need a 0 IV Pokemon, it can take like 10 minutes. God, trick room and IVs are cancer.
Nothing wrong with trick room. Speed control is the most fundamental part of a team.
Trick Room without IVs? Cool. Trick Room with IVs? Fricking cancer.
The only joke here is you
haha
hahahahahaha
I tried to breed one competitive pokemon in gen 5.
Guess how much more difficult and complicated it is compared to doing flowchart for a full team?
If it's complicated, why do you even go to tournaments where both the strategy and mindgames are overwhelmingly more complicated than that?
You're missing the part where people are trying to get 0 IV legendaries.
It's there.
Tera type shit is all the same: "Play the game." It wasn't different enough or complex enough to even add to the chart.
You forgot Tera type
Aren't most of the items mentioned here tedious or expensive to get?
You have to grind raids for them, all of it is just time consuming, it's gotten better over the generations. But honestly people who get pissy about genning feel like low IQ people who think doing this shit is part of the actual competitive aspect of the game.
It would be like if people complained about people buying 2nd hand cards for their deck in a card game instead of pulling all of the cards yourself.
Stop cheating
>It would be like if people complained about people buying 2nd hand cards for their deck in a card game instead of pulling all of the cards yourself.
No it would be like if people used proxies or straight-up counterfeits trying to pass them off as real. Since you know YOU CAN FRICKING TRADE POKEMON ITS AN IMPORTANT MECHANIC POKEMON IS MEANT TO BE A SOCAL GAME YOU FRICKING MENTALLY moronic PAVEMENT APE TINY WOG BRAIN TROGLODYTE
God damn I fricking hate zoomers
>No it would be like if people used proxies or straight-up counterfeits trying to pass them off as real.
No it wouldn't. See saying stuff like this is why I think you are low IQ. The purpose of genning is to bypass the grind of creating the team, much like how if you want to quickly get a deck ready for a tournament you would just buy a card. The difference between genning a team and training your own team is just a time commitment. You are bypassing a time restriction of pulling cards by just buying them, you could also print proxies, but either way you are bypassing the time restriction. There isn't anything related to the actual games being played by training or by pulling cards, it's just filler.
>playing the game isn't related to the actual game
You guys are seriously going to keep repeating this cope until your last breath, huh
I get that you are low IQ, it's okay.
You don't have to get all frustrated, eventually your brain will develop with time. Hopefully.
>you are low IQ, it's okay
>but I don't want to think so I resort to buy or inject a team because too much brain effort
Technically it is, the grind and time management are important aspects that gatekeep your ability to test stuff, it's a commitment
You blatantly admit that cheating gives you the advantage of skipping that process, that's an unfair advantage over someone that did it fair and square and you deserve a ban for life if you do it
>the grind and time management are important aspects that gatekeep your ability to test stuff, it's a commitment
It's not, you can use external programs like showdown to test teams.
People use proxies or simulators in card games to test decks.
It's literally just a pointless grind and barrier that has 0 impact on your decision making on playing the actual competitive aspect of the game.
NTA but here's the thing:
Genning will never be legal
Stop Cheating
I don't care if it's legal or not, that's not what is being discussed.
I'm saying that's the purpose of it, and why people complaining about it are low IQ.
The only real argument that people who are against genning have is that it's against the rules. Which just makes them low IQ individuals who can't think for themselves.
It's just time and RNG. Which shouldn't be in consideration of the actual game of competitive pokemon which is about what team you are going to bring in response to what you believe the meta is like. It's basically like a card game. No one considers the part of pulling cards from packs as part of competitive yugioh or magic (aside from draft, but that's literally it's own format)
>the rules are stupid
Fine dont parcipate in the tournaments. Why is this so hard to grasp?
The rule doesn't make sense and is just a time waster.
If pokemon actually cracked down hard on genning and it became basically impossible, people would probably just start selling pokemon for money.
Would you then consider it unfair if someone just bought their team and skipped the grind entirely?
>the rule doesnt make sense.
Again, fine. Dont play at the event. It really is that simple. If you want the experience, play showdown. The prizes are trivial at the actual event.
>what if people bought pokemon
Dude, people already DO sell even genned mons anyway. Hell I would bet some "top players" throw their "breeders" a few dollars to do just that.
>People who don't break the rules are low IQ
I can't believe how stupid you are.
I think people who blindly follow rules are low IQ. If you aren't able to look at each rule individually and consider what makes sense and what doesn't, you do not have a functioning brain.
>No you're just deliberately ignoring the other arguments to suit your viewpoint.
What is the actual argument about genning besides it's against the rule?
Time that could be spent practicing?
You can use simulators for that.
Like if someone actually just had a huge team of people who would go and legally breed and catch their entire team for them. vs you, who had to spend 50+ hours individually getting your team. Is that okay? Is that fair? Is it fun? Is this a good barrier of entry for new people? It's not against the rules.
>I think people who blindly follow rules are low IQ.
Are you fatherless? Do you not know how the real world works? Their Tournament, their rules you dumb moron. Don't like it, Don't participate.
>I think people who blindly follow rules are low IQ.
Nah man, they're just following orders. Fuhr-I mean TPCI made the rules, so they must be followed! After all, if it's a rule, there must be nothing inherently wrong with it!
>TCPI IS LITERALLY HITLER
Twitter is right next door down the hall
"Why do people have to actually collect the Pokemon in the game about collecting Pokemon, for a Pokemon tournament using those collectables hosted and funded by the company that makes its money by having people buy and play their game?"
Like, frick, go play a trading card game tournament with crayon-drawn proxy cards, while you "consider what makes sense" when people are trying to get payouts.
>Like, frick, go play a trading card game tournament with crayon-drawn proxy cards
>The purpose of genning is to bypass the grind of creating the team
But that is part of the game.
And here's the really wild part: You do not have to like it, but by bypassing it you're bypassing part of the game.
>Like if someone actually just had a huge team of people who would go and legally breed and catch their entire team for them. vs you, who had to spend 50+ hours individually getting your team. Is that okay? Is that fair? Is it fun? Is this a good barrier of entry for new people? It's not against the rules.
Of course this would happen, and no it isn't fair, but probably not realistically punishable.
Here's what you're not getting though: You are doing exactly that to all of the people who grind and don't gen.
>Here's what you're not getting though: You are doing exactly that to all of the people who grind and don't gen.
So just pretend that everyone who is genning is just having a large group of people go and breed their pokemon for them?
Bro you understood what he was saying don’t be a gay
>aaahh my argument
>myyy brain it hurts
>aiieieeee save me tpc
>So just pretend that everyone who is genning is just having a large group of people go and breed their pokemon for them?
I just said I didn't support that either.
But as you well know, that's also a much harder thing to set up than genning would be.
You keep approaching it from an angle of "How can I justify genning?" And you can't.
The mechanics for obtaining things in game have been over-casualized to accommodate lazy shits like pic related, and they can't even get that right.
Yeah, that's a pretty awful take.
>The purpose of genning is to bypass the grind of creating the team, much like how if you want to quickly get a deck ready for a tournament you would just buy a card.
You seem to conveniently ignore the same point that other gen-shillers make when defending against the common point that "it's trivial to just train a Pokemon", in that some Pokemon / cards are intrinsically more difficult to get. If you want a fully-IV'd and trained Dondozo, that takes virtually no effort in-game, and would be roughly equivalent to popping by your local game store and buying a 25-cent card.
If you need that fabled 0 Spe Enamorus that absolutely everyone needs on their team in order to have a chance at competing in an otherwise-unfair VGC tournament, that's understandably more effort to play through an entirely different game, reach that level of progression, and repeatedly reset until you get the stat you need. That could be hours of real time play, which anyone with a job realizes equates to far more than your average 25-cent binder chaff, and might even have you hitting up websites or forums to secure a trade.
>The difference between genning a team and training your own team is just a time commitment.
You are bypassing a time restriction of pulling cards by just buying them, you could also print proxies, but either way you are bypassing the time restriction.
Even they're arguing that proxies are equivalent to buying actual cards and trying to use them in a card tournament. I guess thanks for pointing it out?
>There isn't anything related to the actual games being played by training or by pulling cards, it's just filler.
That'd be a solid argument if we were talking about casual play.
When the actual company that makes the game is paying people to compete in a tournament to play their game, they obviously would want to disincentivize anyone from participating that isn't even a consumer of their product.
>:The only real argument that people who are against genning have is that it's against the rules. Which just makes them low IQ individuals who can't think for themselves.
No you're just deliberately ignoring the other arguments to suit your viewpoint.
It's not just meant to be a competition of who can battle the best, but also the obtaining of the Pokemon and everything that comes before.
But keep pretending it isn't.
>but also the obtaining of the Pokemon
Holy shit they’re unironically shilling for TPC. Just buy more Pokémon products!
Sir if you want a 0 speed legend play the game until you get it, you xutted corners in a way the competition rold you not to and shat on people that actually tried to do it
Top 16 had non 0 speed Enamorous, it's almost as if the people that made it to top cut saw how hard it was to get, ditched the idea and made/copied a team they could realistically get
That's why the lot of you don't understand, it's like a speedruners trying to pass a TAS or split as their own run, optimal doesn't mean feasable, you are cheating
There weren't 0 speed Enamorus in the top cut because it largely wasn't needed. If 0 was THE stat for Enamorus, every one of them would have had 0. The top 16 still hacked their Pokemon, they just were smart enough to not get caught.
Just inject properly.
It's really not that difficult.
A properly hacked mon is completely indistinguishable from a "legit" mon.
It's all just 1s and 0s.
Well yeah, but that's not what's being discussed.
It's people who can't think beyond "it's the rules" or why rules exist.
>It's people who can't think beyond "it's the rules" or why rules exist.
These rules exist because players openly hacking Pokemon hurts the Pokemon trainer fantasy
>But I don't care about that
Ok well TPC does, it's a role playing game
>These rules exist because players openly hacking Pokemon hurts the Pokemon trainer fantasy
I'm pretty sure the rule exists because it has ties to hardware/software hacking since it involves save editing
I see a thread about VGC players crying over being banned, when the solution is to simply not get caught.
Take an extra 10 minutes to inject properly and everyone is happy. Just put the bytes on the right places (pkhex already provides a shitton of safety checks and the rest is just common sense).
I would wager 90% of the other VGC players who didn't get banned were genning too, they just weren't dumb enough to put an Ursaluna with "caught on Pokémon Scarlet" or other dumb shit on their team.
Not that anon, but I injected once a Shiny Zacian with Double Iron Bash in 2020 and got obviously DQ'd. If I were allowed to use that Zacian, I would have won VGC2020 for sure.
Even I, as a former cheater, know that rules are important regardless, if you don't follow them, you're no different from CWC crying over TCG tournaments for not including his custom Sonichu card.
>Zacian with Double Iron Bash
my man, you were banned for being too based
>The only real argument that people who are against genning have is that it's against the rules. Which just makes them low IQ individuals who can't think for themselves.
It's funny how you tell others that they can't think for themselves when you can't even inject properly by yourself. Most cheaters like you buy injected mons from e-bay, getting banned from VGC and losing money servers you right, low IQ-kun.
>talks about low IQ
Nothing more low IQ than believing that a rule is dumb, not following it and then crying when you get caught.
I think Speed Limits are dumb - a literal time waster, but if I get caught going 10 over I'm not going cry to Twitter about it.
The rule doesn't exist to waste your time, the rules exists so that we can assume that everyone has the same level of accessibility.
>talks about low IQ
>Nothing more low IQ than believing that a rule is dumb, not following it and then crying when you get caught.
>I think Speed Limits are dumb - a literal time waster, but if I get caught going 10 over I'm not going cry to Twitter about it.
This is probably one of the worst analogies I have heard and I think that everyone who reads this will become dumber as a result.
Cry to twitter about it.
For one, speed limits have an actual practical reason to exist, the defense of speed limits isn't "they exist", it's "they make it safer for other", there is a legitimate reason to why you can't go 90 miles per hour in a school zone.
Second, if everyone who ever existed thought all rules need to be followed only because of the fact that the rule exist and should never be argued against, nothing would ever change ever. People argue against rules because they disagree with the reason for their existence and the limits they impose. I think in the eyes of politicians, you would be referred to as "a useful idiot".
The defense of not genning pokemon is just "the rule exist", it doesn't give you any actual advantage that you could get through having other people just breed the pokemon for you. It's just the path of least resistance to participate in competitive. If these people weren't moronic and just genned legit mons, then they would never be caught and their pokemon would be the exact same as anyone who spent the time/money/etc to get legal pokemon. The issue is that if someone were to just get a large group of people to go get their pokemon for them, would that be any different if someone were to just gen the exact same pokemon?
No, there would be no difference. Therefore there would be no advantage for any player, and thus the game would be easier for more people to get into.
>Rules have a practical reason to exist
Ya think? Reread the last part of my previous post.
>theres a legit reason for speed limits
and people break them all the time and you shouldn't care.
>the defense of genning pokemon is just the rule exists
You're once again illiterate
>it doesn't give you an actual advanatage
when pressed just a little, you all admit that there is a time advantage (b-but only a slight one!). If you wanna do that dance again I'd be happy to.
But maybe if you want to ask around then ask around, but theres a reason why you aren't.
>hurr durr game easier for more people to get into
Maybe if you just asked for help then the game would be pretty easy to get into. Trading and asking for things is kinda the point of pokemon.
What actually happens is you finalize your team an hour before locking it in and you realize you never played the games.
>you all admit that there is a time advantage
But there isn't a time advantage.
You can practice using simulators.
You can get others to go get the pokemon for you.
Where is the time advantage?
>simulators
This is about building a team.
>you can get others to go get the pokemon for you
You still have to wait for someone to do it. It still takes time for it to be done.
Actually, scratch that - if you think they require the same amount of time then why did you gen instead? If it's just as fast and you're much less likely to get in trouble, then why do you gen at all?
>You still have to wait for someone to do it. It still takes time for it to be done.
>Actually, scratch that - if you think they require the same amount of time then why did you gen instead?
It doesn't take the same amount of time.
Are you dumb? You realize multiple people doing things in parallel go faster right?
Actually don't explicitly answer the are you dumb question, you already technically answered it.
Anon
Why do you gen instead asking for help? Simple question
It's more convenient.
Do you think having access to 50+ fanboys/simps go gather your pokemon like Wolfey should be a requirement for playing competitive pokemon?
>Do you think having access to 50+ fanboys/simps go gather your pokemon like Wolfey should be a requirement for playing competitive pokemon?
Here we go again.
Rule for thee but not for me.
Why is it more convenient? Name all the ways that it makes it more convenient. If speed of creation is one of the ways then congrats on wasting my time with your shitty argument that I know for sure that you got from reddit.
>50+ fanboys/simps
Black person if you think that's required then you literally don't play the games.
If you think that's required that you have absolutely NO pokemon to offer other people so they don't give you any attention. Probably because they know where you get them from.
It's more convenient because 50+ people could spend a fraction of the time to get the same team than a single person.
>aha he said time!
Time for a single person. That's why people gen, it's very time consuming to even create a team. However, there are legitimate ways to get the exact same team in significantly less time through having more people or just RNG. Therefore someone genning has no actual advantage compared to someone who can just get 50+ people to go get the pokemon for them to begin with.
The issue is that you seem to lack this understanding that the end result is literally the same. It's just creating a barrier of entry for people who don't have these connections because you might not even find some 0 IV pokemon after spending 90+ hours looking for one. It's just RNG. It has no real basis on your actual decision making when playing the actual game.
What's the advantage that's being created from genning?
It's clearly not time.
>What's the advantage that's being created from genning?
>It's clearly not time.
You're literally saying that it is moron.
I'm not though, you have a reading problem. I literally said
>Therefore someone genning has no actual advantage compared to someone who can just get 50+ people to go get the pokemon for them to begin with.
It's not a time advantage because you can get the same result with 50+ people helping you out. It's a limitation and barrier being created by time that needs to be spent for someone without resources to 50+ people.
>you can get the same result with 50+ people helping you out
Back to this again so I'll ask again
Then why don't you do that if you think it''ll be so helpfuil? Why do you gen?
Dance around it all you want. You're not getting past me.
I'm not dancing around your question I gave you a legitimate response.
If you are too stupid to understand that's on you.
Answer the question.
If someone can use 50+ people to get a team together as fast as someone just genning.
What is the advantage that's being created by genning?
>If someone can use 50+ people to get a team together as fast as someone just genning.
What is the advantage that's being created by genning?
Oh for frick sake, not the same anon but I'll answer the question for you.
You don't do it because it's way harder to organize, and that's exactly the fricking point.
>If someone can use 50+ people to get a team together as fast as someone just genning.
You didn't answer shit because the question is why don't you do this over genning? Is it possible that getting a following requires something that you're allergic to? Effort?
I did answer the question.
You do have a reading problem.
Also you didn't answer the question.
What is the advantage that's being created by genning?
Answer it, come on. You can do it.
Your answer was
>because its more convenient
And then when I ask how you sperg out because the answer is it saves you time that you would otherwise have to spend playing the game and trading with people.
Just. Like. Everyone. Else.
>you would otherwise have to spend playing the game and trading with people.
That's not what I said. You have reading problem.
You aren't "playing the game" if you just say Oh I need So and so with 0 IV. Then you have 50+ people go and find it for you.
I'm not salty, I'm using it as a point that you aren't creating a time advantage for genning if you can get the same team in the same amount of time if you just have people who can do it for you. Having a group of people isn't "playing pokemon".
I literally have no problem with Wolfey having people to go do that for him. He's literally only doing that because genning is against the rules and he needs to play by those rules to continue playing competitive.
The problem is that should everyone be required to do this?
The issue is that the fixation on whether or not genning should be against the rules is that there creates a time advantage. But there clearly isn't.
No one has given me a reason to why it's against the rules besides "it's a time advantage", which again, it clearly isn't.
>No one has given me a reason to why it's against the rules besides "it's a time advantage",
The answer is obvious as frick, but no matter what anyone tells you you’re just going to say
>it doesn’t matter unless it directly affects the performance of the Pokemon in the moment to moment battling
Which isn’t how many people feel. It’s against the rules because it’s a fricking creature raising game and you’re expected to raise the creatures.
>You aren't "playing the game" if you just say Oh I need So and so with 0 IV. Then you have 50+ people go and find it for you.
Asking for trades isn't playing the game. Trading is. And to trade, you need to ask.
>once again being jealous of wolfey
Wolfey gens so idk where your insecurity lies.
>I'm using it as a point that you aren't creating a time advantage for genning if you can get the same team in the same amount of time if you just have people who can do it for you. Having a group of people isn't "playing pokemon".
1. Given that Pokemon is an RPG with social features, asking for trades doesn't have to be playing the game for it to matter. It's literally apart of the game because it's apart of legit Pokemon acquisition. Your point is moot.
2. Even if it wasn't 'playing the game' you would have to play the game to even get to ask for a trade.
So again, if it's not a time advantage like you said, then why not use your effort to build a following of 50+ people (lol) to make your team? I don't understand your logic of having two methods of acquisition and choosing the one that's against the rules. You have never been able to be honest with yourself.
Wolfey doesn't ask 50+ people for Pokemon bc he gens. Someone like NeilVGC probably does. And his discord is helpful to everyone who needs a mon - not just him.
reading is hard
Your mom is hard.
In conclusion, you're not only illogical, but extremely soft minded to the point where instead of realizing that you can find a 0 to 1 IV Flutter Mane in less than an hour you cling to being jealous that Wolfey can ask people for Pokemon (which is something that you can also do)
>But Ursaluna
If you had friends that weren't as lazy as you you could literally trade with them and get that fixed.
>But Urshifu
If you were broke but had a friend that wasn't as broke as you, you could literally get that fixed.
>I shouldn't have to do that to compete
Going from state to state and every month or so, and going from country to country every 3 months or so means you're not broke by any means.
What else you got?
So are you just salty someone has fans?
You are comparing genning to an extreme example of the opposite side of the spectrum.
Stop straw-manning.
>it's very time consuming to even create a team.
>What's the advantage that's being created from genning?
>It's clearly not time.
Does thinking cause you physical pain?
Also it isn't time consuming to create a team in 2023, it's more time than genning, but it isn't very time consuming.
And even if it was it wouldn't be a good excuse.
What about all the people who don't gen who spent time they could have been practicing for battles into training their pokemon.
You're treating them no better than how you feel when you're busy crying over Wolfey.
I'm not defending him either, but he's at least working within the set limitations even if that's shit.
>access to 50+ fanboys/simps
And wolfe literally did that with his own merit to which you could've also done but you didn't. That is an advantage that HE created through his work and not some third party tool thats against the rules.
that is literally on par with making friends - a skill that you can hone if you wanted.
I can't believe competitive pokemon is about how many connections you made in the real world instead of actually just playing pokemon. But now I see.
>I can't believe competitive pokemon
You don't have competitive pokemon without pokemon.
Yes, the ENTIRE concept of pokemon was that it was a social RPG. That's why you can battle people in the first place. You can't be this dense.
Not at all, you just keep saying that to justify bad behavior
Simulators are OK, but you need to make that theory into an actual Pokémon the legal way, it's the reason why despite having access to simulators I never go for a soft reset on a special Pokémon since my stakataka grind, getting less than 14 defense and 0 speed with brave was maddening but I pulled it off with a 11 Def 0 speed one, it ain't flawless but I love it
You set up a goal that required ungodly amounts of effort then skipped over it, if another trainer pulled it off legit you have an insane advantage over him and that's just not fair for a competition, you just took fairness out of a competition by hacking in a Pokémon that's hard to get, if your brain was fried off on instant gratification you would understand why that's a punishable offense in a competition
That makes no sense in the spirit of keeping things fair? You are telling me someone deserves to have an advantage on paper just because they got more lucky than me?
This is THE premier VGC competitive series, not booster drafting in MTG. No one should not be punished for not pulling the optimal options
>That makes no sense in the spirit of keeping things fair? You are telling me someone deserves to have an advantage on paper just because they got more lucky than me?
Yes, unironically
This game runs on a fricking RNG generator, we have paralysis, flinch, accuracy, crits and chance to proc moves and you are complaining about getting a roulette of 3/6 and 1 in 32 for a 0 speed legendary, do your work if you want it, otherwise change your team and stop being a b***h
You want "optimal" work for it like the people that don't cheat do
I can use the RNG aspects in each battle alongside my game sense to increase my chances of winning. With dedication and time, anyone can gather a deep understanding of the metagame which will net them higher chances of winning against shitters.
That does not hold true with resetting for optimal stats. Most of resetting for the perfect mon comes down to many uncontrollable factors despite the time and dedication I put into it.
Exactly, you can't control it, you are gambling your time for a competition
Managing your time Is an element you are ignoring
Let's say you have 2 weeks to prepare, no hacks allowed, old Pokémon can be used
You go for an encounter that can't be breed but can be reset in order to get 0 speed
Other player sees how much time that takes while and does the same a third sees it as ridiculous and decides to instead use another Pokémon along one of the USUM dittos that have 0 speed guaranteed for a breeding chain
Either you or the other player will get/not get the legend in time then rearrange your teams hell maybe the other player got it the first day out of dumb luck and you are still sitting in your chair 16 days in reseting the same encounter it's all luck, the player that breed got his shit fast and tested it, the player that got lucky tested his team and has a higher chance of playing an optimal meta team on nothing but luck, no one made a wrong meta call here but that's life and you need to get over it
Wanting to use a Pokémon and actually getting it is part of the competition, even if you are screwed by luck that's part of the competition, frick it I'd say that the player that didn't gamble was the smartest one as he managed his time better despite the lucky one getting a better Pokémon
Stop cutting corners, stop cheating.
If time management was the issue, you would have a problem if someone had a bunch of other people go and obtain their pokemon for them. Or just bought them.
But you don't.
Therefore, it's not a time management issue.
This reminds me of the time I won my crush card virus in yugioh
It was a time were the rich got richer and entire teams of people with multiple copies went to events to stomp everyone and prevent them from getting the prize card I'm talking about teams if 9 guys all getting top cut because they lent themselves copies of CCV
I went in fully knowing the situation and build a water deck around it with counters and stun, won the whole thing and sold it for a premium that very day to someone that wasn't from that team of players just to spite them, that guy I sold it won the fricking regional and I'm still proud of him
Read the room and stop complaining of people having nice things, work for them instead, even in card games bullshit happen, Pokémon is a game where time management matters for tournaments learn to live with it
You had a CCV, decided to build a shitty water deck (with what support back in the day???) then won against other people playing D-Hero packages? 100% larping for sure
That aside, your point about CCV is true but there is a good reason why it doesn't happen anymore. Over 15 years later and there isn't an exclusive, game-warping card that you didn't just buy for a semi-reasonable prize (for yugioh standards anyways). Why should Pokemon not keep up the times and be fair?
You do not play the games. A 0iv legend is 1/32 and can be done in a few hours tops
Wrong, it's a roll of 3 perfect stats on any of them before the roll of 0-31 in the other non 31 stats, the Pokémon can hit 31 speed roughly 50% of the time before you can even roll for the 0-32
You are the one who doesn't play the games
They changed it in Gen 6, that's why HP fighting legendaries had to be banked not caught
Right, it's a 1/2 into a 1/32.
Except its not, because a 1IV in speed will produce the same value as 0 at level 50 (and in some cases, like enamorus-I, you can go even higher). So it's a 1/2 into a 1/16. Which, you guessed it, makes 1/32. Now frick off and go back to not playing the games.
>A 0iv legend is 1/32
Not really since they're guaranteed to have 3 perfect ivs. Still shouldn't take more than a few hours unless you're a moron.
In case of Enamorus you're fricked since PLA's Effort Level system replaces IVs and EVs. You're hinted that the IV is below 20, but you can only find out once you transfer, which requires saving the game, so no soft reset possible, you have to play the whole main story up to that part in the "postgame" to have another try for a lower speed IV
In that case, either go through that or just learn to cheat properly without getting caught
You didn't even read my post, did you?
I did, but the odds you claim are worthless in PLA because you have to guess their value. You transfer an Enamorus with 0 spd EL, you have 1/20 to get a 0 IV in speed and you can't soft reset
Tbf, for enamorus-I, there's nothing notable (aside from mirror matchups which are rare cos no one can be fricked getting her) you need to underspeed until all the base 50 mons, so you can actually get away with a speed IV of up to iirc 7. From what I remember, if it shows the minimum grit level for speed, you have about a 1/3 of having a viable iv.
>hacking in a team instead of wasting time making it in game
based
>competitive vgc
gay
>japanese laws
lmao don't care
AHAHAHAHAHA, get fukd
The only thing you can't do is manipulate specific IV numbers on Pokemon like 0IV speed. Everything else they've introduced a permanent feature every new generation.
I bet either the Unovabortion remakes or Poke Italia will have new and permanent mechanics that will make Pkhexing a chore.
Eventually Goyfreak will allow ball switching for autismos as well but it's on the backburner.
Cis male here, why do people want an IV of 0? Isn't 31 in every stat the ideal?
>Atk
Reduces damage from confusion and foul play
>Spd
Trick Room I guess
Ah, gotcha.
Not if you want to be fastest in trick room
Low IVs and EVs on certain stats also let you direct booster energy's effect towards the stat you want.
Ah good ol stak, beast boost was fun
I miss him
gays like this dont remember completionism in gen 3
in order to just complete the pokedex, you needed
>Fire Red AND Leaf Green for the original 150
>One Kanto starter per save file, plus you need to have to beat the game to trade out of Kanto
>Japanese emerald for mew
>Colosseum for the Johto starters (you could get them in GoD but its much easier in Colo)
>Lugia in GoD
>Ho-oh in Colo
>Celebi requires the JAPANESE Colosseum Bonus Disk
>Emerald for the rest, right? Nah, you need Ruby/Sapphire for Jirachi (Emerald doesn't support the Colosseum Bonus Disk)
>Only get either Huntail or Gorebyss per playthrough
>Only get Kabuto or Omanyte per playthrough
Only get Anorith or Lileep per playthrough
>Only get Latios or Latias per playthrough, unless you own the Eon Ticket e-reader card, an e-reader, and if playing Emerald have the ability to mix records with Ruby and Sapphire
>Deoxys was event only
This is of course just for the National Dex. Getting specific moves on Pokemon (some being one per save file tutors), EV training, breeding for good IVs, etc were insane time sinks. People didn't b***h back then because they understood the point of Pokemon was to be a multi game franchise that puts together all of the work you've put into all of these games to make cohesive teams.
For everyone b***hing about m-muh Landorus or Enamorus too hard to get!!!11 can just go to the GTS and find someone to trade with, sent out some rare Vivillon forms or something. It's easier than ever to make a competitive team, and that's great, but it's bringing in the kind of people who are going to b***h about the way things have always been.
I gave up on it as a kid after I couldn't get Celebi.
Somehow I had Mew.
Unironically kino. Nothing beats pulling up and whipping out your deoxys just to flex on the school kids, and then telling them that resetting their save but holding L1 and spamming start will give them the event.
>buy a GameShark
>look up a 240p video with 009 Sound System Dreamscape playing in the background
>spend 10 minutes putting in the 200 line shiny scrimblo bimblo code
>GameShark fails four times before working
>catch shiny scrimblo bimblo
>put in PC, game immediately crashes and GameShark catches fire
>load game, there are 400 bad eggs in the boxes
Heh, the good ol’ days
gen 3 was fricking cool, putting a team together across all those games and using it in the battle frontier
stop cheating, borty
SV have made it braindead to get perfect mons. What a homosexual.
WE NEED RESPECT
>have to buy the pokebank scam 2.0 to compete in vgc
It's over lmao
VGC has always been for moronic gayets but this is a new level of keks. Smogon still in absolute shambles as well with Tera continuing to frick OU in the ass and Dexcut 2 doing the same for natdex formats. I only keep up with competitive pokemon to laugh at the absolute state of it and both formats are the most laughable state they've ever been.
>buy DLC to get exclusive competitive moves
>pokemon home deletes them and you can't use them in the base game next gen (unless you buy the DLC again)
GF openly spitting on their fans' faces
>Have to buy another DS to transfer between gens
>Home deletes mon
????
Your argument boils down to
>WE NEED TO BUY POKEMON GAMES???
You zoomers would've shat yourselves playing Gen 3
>hurr durr zoomer
I completed the national dex in BW2 legit including mythicals, suck my nuts c**t. I have a DS Lite and a 3DS, because they actually do different things that aren't tied to Pokemon and nothing but. Not paying for your cloud service scams you homosexual shill.
>suck my nuts
your mom sucked mine
>I have a DS Lite and a 3DS, because they actually do different things that aren't tied to Pokemon and nothing but.
You don't understand why cloud services exist nor how to use it so that you're not paying anything bc you're smoothbrained.
>homosexual shill
Black person you completed the nat dex from RS to BW2
You don't need to buy shit. Basic box is free, Home GTS is free. As long as you keep most mons parked in the games you don't need to buy anything. Unless you are telling me you don't want to buy the games
Home is free moron-kun. you don't need 300+ boxes to transfer your genies
Is this the most relevant VGC has been on this board?
I'd say so
>easiest its ever been to tweak mons
>monster list alone is cut in half
>cheat anyway
All for a few packs of pokemon cards. I cant for the life of me understand the point of being in tears about this.
Sorry for the dumb question but, can you breed Pokémon from HOME?
If so, wouldn't it be okay to modify the IVs from an offspring just fine?
Just asking cause I'm pretty used to do this and it doesn't take THAT much time
Back in XY I didn't know how to auto legalize mons so I instead of injecting them from zero I would breed them, then modify them
Yeah you can. Most PLA mons can be bred in SV (some can be bred in SWSH and BDSP) and then transferred back and evolved in PLA.
You guys are all moronic. What other "competitive" games require your time "unlocking" your options that you can't bypass? Imagine if I can't use the Rook in chess because I haven't completed the 50 hour PVE mission that no one cares about.
dont people get banned every year for genning? why is this such a big deal now?
Up until now the rules have basically been "don't be blatant and as long as it has legal stats/moves/etc. you're fine and we'll look the other way."
Holy frick you VGCplayers are fricking moronic.
They remove Scald but if they just made it so confusion did a set amount of damage and get rid of Foul Play they'd only really need to make a 0 Spe IV bottle cap.
Or remove Trick Room but /vp/ would go insane.
Stopped playing at USUM, didn't they add a bunch of items/features to make getting competitive pokemon piss easy legitimately in later games? If so that homosexual deserves it, if you're going professional then do it right. No excuses.
yeah, you can max out the IVs, change natures and edit EVs to whatever you want in matter of literal seconds
Yeah but there's nothing to minimize IV's, which is what people want for certain legendaries.
The problem is /vp/ thinks VGC works like a beauty pageant where physical attributes actually matter, when that couldn't be further from the case.
VGCucks are telling people to hack their mons so they have a "fair" chance to play competitive but also use hackmons themselves while complaining how the games aren't fair, despite having a genned team. Then they complain about the rules and how it shouldn't apply to them even when game freak made it braindead easy to have a competitive team.
Day of rope when?
The funniest part of it is that it's extremely TRIVIAL to hack in a completely legit, undetectable pokemon.
The people who got caught are crying because they gave zero fricks and were literally too lazy to even read the pkhex warnings or inject into the proper games from which the mons should have originated (in order to get a home tracker id).
What's even worse is that you have people like Wolfie who has people gen mons for him. I can't believe how lazy and moronic these vgc players are.
Haven’t fully thought this through but hear me out: Your team should have to be entirely your OT to be legal in VGC. Then VGC players would have to pick between playing the game or learning to gen, and the optimist in me thinks they’d rather just play the game.
>b-but muh cress and lando!
Too bad so sad, find a different intimidator/trick room setter while you wait for them to be officially added to SV.
If they wanted fair they would ban all non breadable Pokémon, a meta where only pokemon that you can hatch or catch multiple offs in a save file would be ideal
Sadly Pokémon loves it's legends so that's not happening
How does this address version exclusives? What if I want to run Flutter Mane and Iron Hands?
>VGC players limited to only the pokemon in their version
Could be a cool format
I don't get why people cheat now. They've made it easier than ever. You can literally catch the first pokemon of the species you want, bottle cap and mint it, use vitamins, and it's ready in ten minutes.
But anon, the .01% fringe use case that I'm not going to use anyway!
Says the Black person who gets attached to pieces of codes
So what even causes this? Were people being lazy with their fakes? Were they giving them impossible moves/stats or something?
I think most of the disqualified morons got caught with Pokemon "caught" in games they can't be caught in. Lots of Enamorus "caught in SV".
Pokemon isn't a game of skill.
It's a game of grinding and having the right connections/money. The rest is RNG.
Sure Buddy, hop on the OU ladder right now. I'm betting that you'll make it to 1100 elo max