Time travel chads Its over

I already tried and it doesn't seem to work but hey if you manage to get it right I will gladly suck your dick

>strawmans that people think we’re going to mainland unova
>all that post points out is that the dream world grants wishes and brings dreams to reality
reading comprehension. we already got access to the dream world back in paldea already

what do you think terapagos is a dreamcatcher of anyways? are you still behind and think the time machine is just a time machine?

paradox pokemon came from the dream world. the AI got zapped into the dream world. it’s a dream machine. terapagos got rigged up to be a dreamcatcher inside the machine.
calm down you sperg.

>where
in the time machine room
>when does this happen?
the AI used it to go to the dream world, then it got turned off. terapagos is still stuck inside the machine so I wouldn’t be surprised if the player gets zapped into the dream world to do postgame imaginary legendary hunting or something

kinda similar to tera and how pokemon would "wish" to be a different type innit

pokemon wishes are aligned with their trainer. just like how pokemon in PLA will try to kill you but become ultra friendly the moment you stuff it in a ball

that’s Akari. but you’re the player character whose pokemon always obeys you and goes along with shoving 50 tera shards down their mouth to satisfy whatever competitive needs you need

this is an instance of someone mishandling their pokemon though, its a major plot point in pla that humans and pokemon dont understand each other yet, something that doesnt apply to the PLA MC nor the people of modern times who are used to pokemon

screencapping and cumming on this post when its proven wrong next month

>The tree will ask you which Pokemon you want to add to your party. Pick one to make your wish!
>totally not like the professor wishing and picking an imaginary paradox to add to his party not at all!!!

>wouldn't. You get annoyed?
Yes. Because everyone is annoyed that you're pretending there's a single person that doesn't conform with your headcanon when in reality you're the only one so adamantly against the idea of anything that doesn't fit your narrative that the moment someone criticizes it you fall back to this.

>You people are so against hearing other ideas even though yours don't make a lick of sense
and you're projecting. You think it's time travel when the game is pretty implicit about that not being the case. Meanwhile everyone that's actually played it is saying "it's literally anything else. Use your imagination."
Keep seething.

I don't get annoyed, I'd just ignore him. People like that are literally just rage baiting for (You)s. Don't give them what they want, that's all. Ignore and go on.
I'm baffled how bad some people here are at using Ganker tbh. Just don't interact with bait, is that so hard to understand?

Then you just have poor self control, sorry. It absolutely does not matter if it's genuine or not. If you know that it's pointless to argue with someone, don't do it.

>Unless you just assume everything is bait off the bat.
Honestly? Kinda yeah. It's better for your mental health if you do, trust me.

Yeah, exactly. Sometimes I just kinda post my own thoughts and then don't really interact with anyone cause I can see it's just anons trying to pick a fight, and not people actually considering anything you're proposing.

>new areas

Blueberry? Why would they be there? I mean the first ones were randomly in Raids but seems like the final story will be in Area Zero with Briar so they should be there. It looks like the waterfall area.

>Blueberry? Why would they be there?
maybe because unova is the place where the dream world was first introduced?

That's just their dex pictures but animated.
Doesn't mean they will be catcheable there.

>The professor was influenced by Occulture
That would work with Sada but not with Turo.
I mean, only thorns is said to be from the future, the rest are either cyborgs or aliens except Bundle which is from the past.
It could also be that the professor didn't want the time machine to pull the pokemon initially but to visit Heath

>Occulture probably influenced the professor's perception of the personalities of the paradox mons,
Yeah, that also doesn't really work.
None of the attributes from Occulture can be seen in the paradoxes other than aggression.
In fact if they were inspired and dreamed them up at all you wouldn't be able to catch Bundle, Valiant and Hands because they would just be two machines and a human. They would lack the shrinking ability of pokemon that allows them to be caught.

Anon, aggressive behavior is generally common among pokemon. Just look at PLA and the alphas on particular.

all it takes is the professor to believe paradoxes are still genuine pokemon for them to be manifested as pokemon, you know

So are we just assuming that everything Terapagos manifests automatically becomes a pokemon?

>I said anything the professor believes is a pokemon will be a pokemon
Anon, that's just saying that there's no influence from Occulture

Okay you're not getting it.
>This oddity's name is borrowed from that of an object described in the Violet Book.
All of the Occulture articles say something to this effect so we can safely say that any physical attributes and behavior were also mentioned in the Books. The only parts unique to Occulture would be things like this
>One theory holds that it is in fact a robot—the product of a mad scientist's efforts to create the most powerful psychic Pokémon of all.
But because of the professor and the ability to catch them we know that these are actually biomechanical rather than just machines.

Which then brings us to the question, how did Occulture influence the paradoxes if everything exclusive to Occulture isn't shown in game?

>that influence comes out in either design or personality depending on the pokemon.
>again
>INFLUENCE
>not
>INSPIRE
Ignoring the fact that the two words are synonyms anyway you're still not reading what's being said.
>All of the Occulture articles say something to this effect so we can safely say that any physical attributes and behavior were also mentioned in the Books
What comes from Occulture if all of this comes from the Books?

youre right but the other anon acting like occulture had zero bearing on the professors interpretation on how the paradox mons comes out is just moronic to me. at the end of the day it doesnt actually matter so long as everyone agrees the paradoxes are fakemons, we're really just splitting hairs over the flavor text

we don't know how much detail the book goes into because we lack the entries, but the pokedex only gives us extremely vauge answers like "maybe this is x from the book" meanwhile occulture is the one giving every paradox pokemon a modern pokemon to compare to in reference.
until we see every pokemons book entry in full i dont see why its not impossible to say that the professor based the designs or mannerisms of certain pokemon from the occulture entries

Forgot the picture.

>why would it say "eyewitnesses" here instead of whatever the book says?
Anon, the book is an eyewitness account from Heath.
The only Paradox anyone outside of the Professor's circle could have seen was Treads and Tusk meaning the distinct features mentioned in Occulture would have to have come from the book.

On the topic of Donphan it just occurred to me that Occulture may be more recent than we assumed.
>In one arid corner of Paldea, there have been reports of a mysterious life-form. It's said to resemble a Donphan at first glance, albeit one that can abruptly assume a spherical shape and launch into a swift rolling attack.
This is referencing the Paradox Donphan that escaped and took up Asado Desert as its home, that happened recently story wise. The professor may not have even read these, Arven may have been collecting them for whatever reason.
Sure you could say
>but the others say they were spotted in Paldea
But the others like that say a certain cave/corner etc. rather than anything specific like an "arid corner".

>we dont have enough info on the books outside of very basic information
Anon, we have tons of information. The problem is that you're saying it doesn't count because we as the player can't physically see them even though the contents are told to us.
Like how Arven describes each Herba Mystica to us but all we get is this.

You can't just call everything bait just because you don't understand what's being said to you.
And it's not like it's complicated because all I'm saying to you is that we have more than enough tertiary information to say what's in the Books even if we don't have access to the pages themselves.

>the specific occulture book found in the professor's lab is right next to his personal computer,
NTA but that doesn't mean anything, Arven has been living there for years on his own.
>I...I almost never saw my mom/dad in my whole life.
>She/He was always busy with work. Hardly ever came home
>But the truth is, I would've rather just had a mom/dad who was there...even if she/he wasn't anything great.
>I haven't seen her/him for ages now. Unless you count seeing her/him in the news or whatever. Used to at least get emails sometimes. But even those stopped a couple years ago.

>it's timeschizo again
protip, you expose yourself every time because you literally cannot stop yourself from trying to shit on imagination theory, you'd get more (you)s if you could keep your autism in check

>because you literally cannot stop yourself from trying to shit on imagination theory
Anon, trying to make sense of a theory isn't shitting on it. It's the opposite, people question it because they want to see how you came to that conclusion and possibly add to your own theory.
But instead you're trying to force a boogeyman so you have a scapegoat when someone says something you can't explain which only makes imagination look like a crackpot theory more than it already is.

>where
in the time machine room
>when does this happen?
the AI used it to go to the dream world, then it got turned off. terapagos is still stuck inside the machine so I wouldn’t be surprised if the player gets zapped into the dream world to do postgame imaginary legendary hunting or something

Look at this anon for instance, he said we have access to the dream world in Paldea and the guy he was talking to asked "where that happened".
And he doesn't have any kind of evidence to show, just an assumption.

all it takes is the professor to believe paradoxes are still genuine pokemon for them to be manifested as pokemon, you know

Heath never makes any mention of time travel, all association with the past and future exclusively come from Occulture.
Why would Sada and Turo want to build a time machine if their only exposure to these pokemon is the book that doesn't give any description on their origin?

>Heath never makes any mention of time travel, all association with the past and future exclusively come from Occulture.
Who the said anything about time travel?
I'm calling you a moron because you didn't realise that Occulture descriptions all came from the book.
Even Occulture says that you fricking moron.

>the idea of paradox pokemon coming from the future exclusively comes from occulture

because sada/turo read the book as a kid and figured the "monsters" with giant fangs or made of iron must be dinosaurs or robots respectively, thats also why every paradox pokemon looks like a child's idea of what a dinosaur/robot would look like, or took completely unrelated pokemon and turned them into a dinosaur/robot like the beast trio/swords of justice

All these are stereotypical scifi tropes, Turo was already biased towards the idea that they were from the future so he imagined them as such.

You sound mad.

Maybe take a break from interwebs if discussions make you that mad. Try Yoga or meditation.

Hot coffee and a good book can calm you down.

you think a dude that patrols the board 24/7 to start moronic circular arguments is going to do yoga?

Always worth a try.

NTA but have you ever considered that YOU irritate people?
I mean, you're assuming that because your idiocy makes him mad that he's on the Internet 24/7 but there's no reason to assume that he is on that alone.
All you can say is that you're making him mad for polluting what used to be a decent space for discussion.

A similar thing happened with MH threads on Ganker.

Case in point.
Honestly anon, I suggest you move to something like gamefaqs or reddit. You'll most likely find like minded people who are less likely to disagree with you there.

The irony of imaginationgays is that they can't imagine a world in which they're wrong.

why is it impossible for turo to have thought the pokemon were from the future before reading occulture? he read the book as a little kid after all

the only person who thinks occulture is why turo thinks its timetravel is the same devout timegay who wants people to argue forever, he uses the same fricking arguments every single time.

paradox pokemon aren’t real, the professor came up with the past/future idea on their own because Heath never said anything about the paradox pokemon he saw coming from another era in time

>It may be valuable in universe but it's worthless narratively
Anon, if it has worth in universe then it has worth narratively. You can't separate the two and you don't need an energy crisis to give it value. Simply being a massive source of power on its own can catapult a society, or whoever controls it, to great heights much like how Devon became one of the most successful companies due to infinity energy.
Not to mention there's also a school on the ocean that could make use of that power since they have a massive terrarium with four different biomes that simulate weather and day and night cycles.
Not to mention power isn't the only thing it can do since it's the source of terastalization and Herba Mystica, cure all herbs, can be grown when exposed to its power and these herbs can also make pokemon grow.

There is so much value narratively that we see several times in the main story that it's laughable that you would say that it has none.

I don't even need to read the rest of your post because I know it's probably going to be nonsense that doesn't tie into the themes of the games and what we've seen

>So you genuinely think One Piece's ending would be satisfying if the one piece was a big piece of gold?
Anon, we already know that the one piece is a tangible object it's not going to be some kind of useless emotional moral lesson about it being the friends we made along the way.
Oda made this clear years ago.

>because it isn't the culmination of anything in the plot
Of course it is. It's the thing everyone wants even if they don't know what it is. It's the mystery that gives it value not the actual object itself. It could be a literal turd and it would still serve the same narrative purpose as something that could alter reality.

>Have it unironically be "the friends we made along the way" would make more sense with the themes that were established.
Which ironically would go against the theme and everything we've seen in one piece. Like Terapagos being a reality warper would.

>It justs sounds like you consume fictional stories as if their tangible events and not just narratives
Be honest anon, do you even know what you meant here?

You call coming up in the final arc, a running theme that comes up in multiple ways?

Please, show me in detail where this comes up in more than: One Titan, and Area Zero’s final arc?

NTA but
>Nemona's future Rival
>Arven's accident in the the past that injured Mabosstiff
>team star's past and their future as training centers
>Sada and Turo's names
>Sada and Turo's designs
>the font for Scarlet and Violet on the title
>Kitakami being a traditional Japanese town and Blueberry being a futuristic self sufficient environment on the ocean
>the themes of the paradoxes
>Korai (ancient) and Mirai (future)
Even the reveal trailer had a security guard go from a modern style building into an old, dusty, rustic room.
You can even go outside of the games and bring the TCG in since Paradox Rift has ancient and future cards.

To say that it only comes up in the final story when it's baked into just about everything.

Not really, no other game gives that much focus on the past and future shaping the character.
Also I forgot Nemona's past that shaped her excitable character now.

Anyway, every main character in SV has a past and present events that shape their future.

Also Blueberry is off the coast of Unova, another game with a past and future theme.

>but every character with an arc has past and present events that shape their character.
And not every character fulfils that requirement. Pretty much the only one outside of SV that fits the bill is N, hey another Unova connection.
Most characters just have encounters throughout the game, it's rare that you hear their past or see them into their future or achieve their goal. Take Lillie and Hop for instance the former wanted to become a trainer and you never see that journey, the latter wants to become a professor but you don't see his path to that.

Also while I was typing this is mixed up Hop and Hau because they're practically the same character.

>minor part of the game
>an entire online server based feature that you connect your ds to
>entralink is major part of gen 5 multiplayer

>Meanwhile gen 5 had not one, not two, but three areas dedicated to it.
unova, a place with past and future areas like opelucid city and white forest and black city. with not a time machine in sight.

>My response for all three was already stated by

you could say every pokemon game is about past/future if you reach that much

#
To which you now need to respond to this

>but every character with an arc has past and present events that shape their character.
And not every character fulfils that requirement. Pretty much the only one outside of SV that fits the bill is N, hey another Unova connection.
Most characters just have encounters throughout the game, it's rare that you hear their past or see them into their future or achieve their goal. Take Lillie and Hop for instance the former wanted to become a trainer and you never see that journey, the latter wants to become a professor but you don't see his path to that.

Also while I was typing this is mixed up Hop and Hau because they're practically the same character.

>and literally doesn’t come into play until the end
Sada and Turo appear at the very beginning of the game and speak to you regularly throughout Arven's story.
While their role in the story comes at the end the characters themselves are a constant presence.

>I can’t say that is really a ‘theme’, as much a stylistic choice of design
A stylistic choice meant to represent old and modern respectively.

>but Blueberry Academy we’ll just have to see.
Anon, we've seen all we need to about Blueberry to confirm that it's a state of the art biodome that can simulate different environments.

>Was literally my point?
Unless your point was that the past and future theme permeates throughout the entire generation then no, that wasn't your point.
And again, much like Sada and Turo the Raidon obviously appear throughout the game.

>I can’t say this applies at all for either of these, as it is outside of the games.
Anon, the reveal trailer about the game is, believe it or not, about the game. The fact that you can tie it into
>high doubt even if it was.
So you haven't seen the reveal trailer or the cards yet you're doubting them? At this point it seems like you just don't want to accept the obvious theme of past and future here.

>Considering Miraidon and Koraidon, the Professors, all end up culminating in the reveal of the future/past themes,
The past and future theme that we've established exists in every part of the game in some form or fashion and the professor and Raidon being constants throughout it.

>Considering Miraidon and Koraidon, the Professors, all end up culminating in the reveal of the future/past themes
Dude, that's like three of his points. Not even half of them and even through the reveal happens at the end their names are told to you well before it. Basically the theme is in your face the entire game.

>basically saying that time is linear and thinking that proves time travel.
You're missing the point. It's not that every character has an arc but that ever character has an arc that has something to do with their past that relates to their future.
That's not something you see often in pokemon which is what makes it stand out. I mean, think of all the other rivals and MCs in the series and tell me how many of them had a backstory that either causes their story or influences them in the future.

The only one is Silver and his backstory wasn't added until HGSS and we don't really see his end result. Every other character is an "in the moment character" that doesn't have a story or future

I have no idea how to explain this to you.
It's like your brain just glitches out at the sight of "past and future" as themes and fails to recognise it.

>the game being so in your face with time travel is like when clavell claims he was cassiopeia.
Are you going to say how? If not then I will.
Clavell being Cassiopia was obvious from the moment he went undercover specifically to learn more about Team Star, you know the team he led.
He was such a strong leader for them in fact that he didn't even know about his own plan Operation Star or that his best friends weren't truants bullying people but actually bullies.
Then there's the way that he expertly hacked your smartphone without knowing what a computer was, only the genius leader behind Team Star could do that.

If you don't get then I'll explain, saying that it isn't time travel despite all of the evidence for it being so blatant is like saying you genuinely believed Clavell was Cassiopia despite the evidence against it being blatant. Both instances require ignoring the evidence right in front of your face so take this shitty argument and shove it up your ass once and for all.

>things are not what they seem
>Penny isnt just a shy girl, she's the leader of team star
>team star aren't bullies, they were bullied
>Ogerpon wasn't the bad guy, the loyal three were
>Heath's journal wasn't fake like the masses said, everything was real
>the paradox mon aren't illusions, they're just past and futur-
Wait, ignore that last one

>We don't know that one yet
>you can confirm the herbs exist
>you can confirm the layout of Area Zero
>you can confirm the markings in the cave
>you can confirm the metal plate
>you can confirm the paradoxes
Congrats anon, you were correct. The masses said the journal wasn't real but we can in fact say that everything was not what it seems and that the journal was real!

The fact that your own argument works so well against you only shows how little thought you put into this.
What's even better is that half the time you chucklefricks usually whinge and say
>NONONONO THE PUBLIC SAID THE JOURNAL WAS FAKE SO HEATH LIED!
whenever you hit a corner you just make up an excuse and end up fricking yourself over even more.

It's almost as if there's absolutely no evidence for imagination and you have to use temper tantrums and samegayging to make it look like there are more of you than there actually are.

Yeah sure, not even the three YouTubers who spread that shit believe in it anymore.

>No you fricking can't
Yes, yes you can. You can even catch the paradox pokemon, they're living, breathing pokemon that we as the player can obtain and use.
The paradoxes are very much real.

>That's the exact fricking thing that Arven points out
Ah yeah, you're right, he does point out that they're fake with the lines
>Course, the whole book is full of unbelievable stories, the Herba Mystica being one of them. But they turned out to be real...
>And after everything we saw in Area Zero—well, makes it hard to say it's all nonsense, huh?

>t. Atlantischad
Oh so you're time chad ally?
Or did you not know that one of the many theories is that the AI and time travel technology came from the ancient civilisation?
Or what about Geeta being from the ancient civilisation, using an ancient time machine to come to the present?

You're so disinterested in anything that isn't imagination that you don't even know that people actually discuss how these theories could possibly relate to each other.

>In a way, yeah
Then why even argue about this? Whether it's 10000 or millions of years a time machine is a time machine you have no reason to be a part of this.
You're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

>Yup
So much for being one of us.
>I didn't hear that one before actually. Do you want to elaborate?
Similar to the last one but with the AI specifically and it goes hand in hand with the mystery assistant theory with Geeta being the rigid, intellectual rival.
>contrarian
You don't even know what this word means. Here's a tip, if everyone thinks it's time travel and try to reconcile their ideas with time travel then the popular view is time travel. It's impossible to be contrarian if you agree with the most popular view.
But let me guess, you'll probably post one of those bitted polls to say that imagination is popular here.

>Then why even argue about this? Whether it's 10000 or millions of years a time machine is a time machine you have no reason to be a part of this.
>You're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
It makes a huge difference anon, because it means that the professor was either lying (especially in Turo's case) or was too crazy to even understand the machine they built
It also means that the Paradoxes are not a result of evolution, but were somehow created or altered by the ancient civilization (which is the core element of my personal take on the Atlantis theory)
It's not about muh time travel, it's about the true origin of the Paradox Pokémon, that's all
>So much for being one of us.
See above
Also frick your "us" shit, this isn't some moronic "us vs them" shit, go leave for your culture wars
>Similar to the last one but with the AI specifically and it goes hand in hand with the mystery assistant theory with Geeta being the rigid, intellectual rival.
Ok yeah, I am familiar, but literally what has that to do with the claim that she's from the ancient civilization?
>Here's a tip, if everyone thinks it's time travel and try to reconcile their ideas with time travel then the popular view is time travel.
Then this fricking thread wouldn't exist
You're one of those people who spent too much time in internet echo chambers and brainwashed himself into thinking "the majority of people agrees with ME and everyone who disagrees is in the minority" because you either have main character syndrome or poisoned your brain with internet algorithms

>I hate to break it to you but it is.
Stopped reading right there
Frick you and frick your cognitive biases

You should’ve stopped replying to him a while ago.
He does this in every single thread, to the point where I think he makes the threads himself in order to bait people into arguing in circles constantly.

*spits on your face*
I don’t believe your lies

No offence but that's even more moronic than time travel on its own. Especially when all the machine does is 3d print paradoxes in a way that maintains them rather than Terapagos' normal 200 year half life.

>as long as its well written.
Define well written.

If they were artificial creations the machine wouldn't be able to pump them out from the past and they'd be way more rarer.

>or doesn't do any time shit and instead does the DNA altering thing
This doesn't really work either sure most of the originals can be found in Area Zero but some are based on version exclusives from other games. How can it alter things that don't exist?

Anon, you know one of the replies to that post was this, right?

There literally isn't anything to discuss about any other theory. The game goes out of it's way to make everything that could be assumed to be the result of time travel be of questionable authenticity (Paradox Pokemon are actually from occult magazines, the "time machine" just makes shit appear in Pokeballs instead and is never used in any provable way to actually travel through time, and all theming around Tera crystals effectively ignores the concept of time travel but heavily revolves around dreams and wishes).

Look at the first DLC and how Ogerpons unique interaction with Terastallization is specifically described to be it's overwhelming desires and memories. They literally could not be making this theming more obvious. Meanwhile the closest thing you could possibly even TRY to argue as being time travel in that DLC is that some people see dead family member at the Crystal Pool but even that makes more sense with the "dreams and wishes" theory.

Hell, the thing they could have actually very easily attributed to time travel, the fricking Blood Moon Ursaluna, EXPLICITLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TERASTAL PHENOMENON.

>There literally isn't anything to discuss about any other theory. The game goes out of it's way to make everything that could be assumed to be the result of time travel be of questionable authenticity (Paradox Pokemon are actually from occult magazines, the "time machine" just makes shit appear in Pokeballs instead and is never used in any provable way to actually travel through time, and all theming around Tera crystals effectively ignores the concept of time travel but heavily revolves around dreams and wishes).
He then goes on to get information about Ogerpon's unique terastalization wrong.

This guy you're pointing out, assuming it is one person, isn't the issue here.

It's also impossible because Occulture is based on Heath's book, not the other way round
Occulture was written recently, the book is 200 years old
No idea how people even came to the conclusion that Occulture is the origin

No offence but that's even more moronic than time travel on its own. Especially when all the machine does is 3d print paradoxes in a way that maintains them rather than Terapagos' normal 200 year half life.

>Especially when all the machine does is 3d print paradoxes
What? That's not what I fricking said, I said it does DNA manipulation
Nothing is being "printed", it's taking existing Pokémon and alters them

Sounds cool, I like the idea that the "time machine' is using the power of the tera crystals to frick up would be normal pokemon, did you know a large amount paradox pokemon's "original" forms can be found natively in area zero too? There's also the crop circle and big metal tablet we know nothing about.

For me i'm really into the wishes and dreams idea and hope the connection to the dream world is legit, but at this point as long as its not time travel I'm down to clown with whatever, in spite of the shitposting the SV lore is fun to talk about so I don't care about who """wins""" as long as its well written.

>did you know a large amount paradox pokemon's "original" forms can be found natively in area zero too? There's also the crop circle and big metal tablet we know nothing about.
Yeah exactly. Not all though, like Iron Bundle, but still
The big metal tablet is also definitely a HUGE pointer towards ancient civ with hyperadvanced tech in my opinion. A mysterious metal plate that cannot even be SCRATCHED by modern technology? That's some Atlantis shit
There's also tons of ruins everwhere in Paldea, plus a few parts of the game that mentions things from 10000 years ago

If they were artificial creations the machine wouldn't be able to pump them out from the past and they'd be way more rarer.

>or doesn't do any time shit and instead does the DNA altering thing
This doesn't really work either sure most of the originals can be found in Area Zero but some are based on version exclusives from other games. How can it alter things that don't exist?

>but some are based on version exclusives from other games
Is that so? I don't think that's true but I might be wrong, it's too late for me to look it up now tbh kek

That's a weird question, I guess if it's concise and wraps up all the plotlines in a satisfying manner on top of being fun to talk about, if there's some big twist that was totally alluded to before or something, that'd also be fun,
[...]
>Is that so? I don't think that's true but I might be wrong
Oh yeah he's right, Violet has Iron Jugulus and Iron Thorns but Deino and Larvitar are Scarlet exclusive.
I don't really know if version exclusives are "canon" though, plus you can always get version exlcusive pokemon from raids anyways.

I see, interesting
That makes me think that there could be parallel universe frickery involved or something

>What? That's not what I fricking said, I said it does DNA manipulation
Illiterate time troony, I'm not saying that's what you're saying, I'm saying that's what it does in game.
If it just altered shit or brought an altered on from the past then it wouldn't be able to infinitely produce paradox pokemon.
Don't make up dumbass theories without thinking.

Well then who fricking asked you? Shut the frick up and read up on what "theory" means
Also it's fricking obvious that you're the same moron who defended time travel earlier, at least try changing up your writing style a bit if you wanna falseflag

>A theory doesn't mean make shit up from thin air.
As much as I hate to agree with imaginationgay, he's right this time. The whole point of a theory is using evidence to come to a conclusion, it's not just headcanon out of the blue.

>What? That's not what I fricking said, I said it does DNA manipulation
Illiterate time troony, I'm not saying that's what you're saying, I'm saying that's what it does in game.
If it just altered shit or brought an altered on from the past then it wouldn't be able to infinitely produce paradox pokemon.
Don't make up dumbass theories without thinking.

>It’s why it was limited in making two Raidon’s…

Meant to say ‘limited’.

You know that's like every single post in this thread. Like this

it really sounds like youre taking the world "influence" and twisting it to mean "inspired 1:1 likeness"
the professor reads occultre, goes "huh some of this makes sense" and adds it to his personal headcanon about how a paradox pokemon comes out. because these pokemon are wishes/dreams, that influence comes out in either design or personality depending on the pokemon.
again
INFLUENCE
not
INSPIRE
the professsor was basing his opinions off the violet book, occulture just helped some of the ideas form

stop being moronic

Or this

The paradox pokemon were based on the way Occulture described them.
I don't know why you morons are so stupid.

Or this

I just wanted to say you time travel gays were ALWAYS moronic for ignoring the obvious evidence in the games. But I'm not surprised that they can't understand a game for actual babies.

I'm just ctrl+fing moron by the way and I'm picking posts at random but the reason why I can do that is because we're on fricking Ganker we swear like sailors and call each other morons, homosexuals and Black folk all the time.

At this point I'd prefer for him to mix it up instead of having the like 15th thread where people talk in circles over the same shit people have discussed to death since the game first came out. Seriously, we had a whole other DLC drop but notice how the thread is mostly just talking about stuff regarding the base game, the connection to the dream world is fricking huge and what the thread should've been about but instead the posts are still talking about the fricking base game plot entirely because of this moron.

If we need to suffer this dude until DLC2 kills him he should at least get new bait.

Not that there's really much to talk about.
I mean we've already discussed to death about how Momo could have been the thing manipulating the professor because it's presumably affecting Kieran in a similar way and how between the pond allowing people to see the dead and the AI as well as the anime that there's some kind of recording/memory ghost capability.
There's not really much left to talk about until the next dlc drops which is why imaginationschizo leaves bait everywhere.
Lore thread downtime is basically prime time to act like a demented toddler, the worst part is that he's

At this point I'd prefer for him to mix it up instead of having the like 15th thread where people talk in circles over the same shit people have discussed to death since the game first came out. Seriously, we had a whole other DLC drop but notice how the thread is mostly just talking about stuff regarding the base game, the connection to the dream world is fricking huge and what the thread should've been about but instead the posts are still talking about the fricking base game plot entirely because of this moron.

If we need to suffer this dude until DLC2 kills him he should at least get new bait.

>but notice how the thread is mostly just talking about stuff regarding the base game
Well yeah, it's not like SS where each dlc was a separate story, it's one big story. A reveal in the dlc changes how we see things in the base game so it'll always come back to that.

> A reveal in the dlc changes how we see things in the base game so it'll always come back to that.
That's the thing though, we're not even discussing the base game in a new context, it's literally the same arguments about the same topics that take nothing from the DLC into account at all. Dokutaro influencing the professor? The effects of a wish on the psyche? The possiblity of a dream world? Nope, none of that, we need to argue about if Occulture influenced Turo for the 50th time, or even what the frick the theming for the game is.

>Dokutaro influencing the professor?
We talk about that all the time to the point where there's a theory that Momo put the idea of time travel in their head. Because one of the current mysteries is why they thought they needed a time machine.
>The effects of a wish on the psyche?
Interesting angle but no one who wants to discuss anything seriously wants to actually touch wishing with a ten foot pole both because of imaginationgay popping a blood vessel any time someone brings it up as you can see.
Plus low tier reality warping is just narratively boring and the fix all button of it just hangs over everthing.
>The possiblity of a dream world?
Eh, kind of in the same vein as the last one but no one really started bringing it up until yesterday.

Are you really that against lore threads that you have to make up a "timeschizo"?

An anti-time travel pasta appeared on the soijak wiki a while back, it wouldn't surprise me if imaginationgay was one of them all along. His posting style definitely matches.

we're already getting canonical wishes in SV with dokutaro, the only thing left to see is how it plays out

yeah but a drug that specifically changes the body into what you desire? otherwise fezandipiti and munkidori would've gotten big muscles like okidogi if it's a typical drug that only does one thing. but instead the chains were tailored to whatever the loyal 3 wanted most

or, you know, its due to the wish like anon said. see

Time sisters...

>because no one thought to look at terapagos from a birds eye view
Colour me shocked terminally-online manchildren have never seen enough images or videos of real-life turtles to glean enough context clues to determine what a bird's eye view of a pokémon turtle could look like like, even with other examples to inform them and the knowledge its shell seemed to be comprised of a multitude of geometric shapes which each displayed a type symbol.

>You're one of those people who spent too much time in internet echo chambers and brainwashed himself into thinking "the majority of people agrees with ME and everyone who disagrees is in the minority"
Says the person who currently seething because other viewpoints are being presented to him.
Keep in mind, I have no real issue with the theory itself, well aside from the lack of actual discussion material, it's the people.
It's like, walking past a bunch of special needs kids when their wranglers decide they need a walk, you know they can't help being literally moronic but it still annoys you that they're allowed to honk and holler in public and be a general nuisance to people.

The game constantly points out that something about the PARADOX(!) Pokémon doesn't quite add up
I'm not saying they are a product of imagination or whatever, I'm saying that the game itself casts lots of doubt on the claim that these Pokémon are actually from the past or future

That's all I'm gonna say, if you can't figure this shit out you are terribly media illiterate

Did you not read the Pokédex entries?
>Sightings of this Pokémon have occurred in recent years. The name Great Tusk was taken from a creature listed in a certain book.
>There has been only one reported sighting of this Pokémon. It resembles a mysterious creature depicted in an old expedition journal.
>It is possible that the creature listed as Brute Bonnet in a certain book could actually be this Pokémon.
>This Pokémon has characteristics similar to those of Flutter Mane, a creature mentioned in a certain book.
>This mysterious Pokémon has some similarities to a creature that an old book introduced as Slither Wing.
>No records exist of this Pokémon being caught. Data is lacking, but the Pokémon’s traits match up with a creature shown in an expedition journal.
>Sightings of this Pokémon have occurred in recent years. It resembles a mysterious object described in an old expedition journal.
>It resembles a mysterious object mentioned in an old book. There are only two reported sightings of this Pokémon.
>This Pokémon shares many similarities with Iron Hands, an object mentioned in a certain expedition journal.
>It's possible that Iron Jugulis, an object described in an old book, may actually be this Pokémon.
>No records exist of this species being caught. Data is lacking, but the Pokémon's traits match up with an object described in an old book.
>Some of its notable features match those of an object named within a certain expedition journal as Iron Thorns.
Do you not notice how everything is vague and full of doubt?
>treated like a cryptid with one or two "reported sightings" like they're fricking Bigfoot
>all entries that is only vaguely matches with the creatures described in the Scarlet/Violet Book
>not a single entry mentions the past or future at all
>lots of entries mentioning lack of data
The game fully treats them as cryptids, the only person who doesn't do that is the professor who is fricking insane

>cryptids aren’t cryptids unless people are searching for them
>cryptid: an animal whose existence or survival to the present day is disputed or unsubstantiated; any animal of interest to a cryptozoologist
Occulture also seems like a bunch of cryptozoologists

This. Manchildren need to pull their fricking necks in and start accepting these are kids' games, thus aren't going to pull shitty plot-twists like "lol, all that foreshadowing we spent a game and most of a rehash laying out wuz a red hering, lulzerz". They WANT kids to understand the story, thus aren't going to pull ay moron-tier bait'n'switches with it.

I'm surprised you can even comprehend time. Well, it's 1am for you so I doubt it.

>Nemona's future Rival
>Arven's accident in the the past that injured Mabosstiff
>team star's past and their future as training centers
Wow things happen in the past and continue happening in the future, what a great thematic throughline.

>it’s a turtle
And? It looks like a dreamcatcher.

It literally doesn't fricking matter.