Huh.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if there was a connection to Dream World since DLC2 is in Unova. Also, every single new Pokémon is still getting Dream World artwork for some frickin reason... Coincidence...?
Idk if there's any page where the artworks are shown I don't speak Nip
But you can just use this link https://www.pokemoncenter-online.com/static/image/character-all/001.png And replace the number at the end with the corresponding dex number of each Pokémon, they are all assets uploaded on the website
No, you can find all these artworks on https://www.pokemoncenter-online.com fully available to the public
I don't really know why it exists either
But every single Pokémon that has an official dex number has at least one dream world artwork (which is why it stops at 1008, everything added after doesn't have an official natdex number yet)
>Also, every single new Pokémon is still getting Dream World artwork for some frickin reason... Coincidence...?
Every pokemon has been getting dream world artwork since the dream world became a thing.
Unless you're going to say that Megas, Z-moves, Dynamax and literally everything is related to dreams it means absolutely nothing.
>This is just fun, meaningless theorycrafting.
I wish it were but imaginationgays take this shit too seriously and won't discuss anything that isn't imagination. God forbid you try to talk about the time travel mentioned in game or they go ballistic.
Then you have this nonsense
lol
The guy is taking "dream" to mean an invention of the mind rather how it's actually used in the sentence as a synonym for goal.
Every single time you have explain basic English and context that it's just ruining these threads.
You're the one taking it too seriously and get annoyed by some spergs. Just chill, ignore them and keep talking about your own theories instead of responding to argument bait. It's literally that easy.
>This is just fun, meaningless theorycrafting.
I wish it were but imaginationgays take this shit too seriously and won't discuss anything that isn't imagination. God forbid you try to talk about the time travel mentioned in game or they go ballistic.
Then you have this nonsense [...]
The guy is taking "dream" to mean an invention of the mind rather how it's actually used in the sentence as a synonym for goal.
Every single time you have explain basic English and context that it's just ruining these threads.
lol
7 months ago
Anonymous
>it stoll thimos we're going to mainland Unova >despite Blueberry Academy confirmed to be an island off the coast akin to Aether Paradise
Tick-tock spastics.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>strawmans that people think we’re going to mainland unova >all that post points out is that the dream world grants wishes and brings dreams to reality
reading comprehension. we already got access to the dream world back in paldea already
7 months ago
Anonymous
>we already got access to the dream world back in paldea already
The frick are you talking about?
7 months ago
Anonymous
what do you think terapagos is a dreamcatcher of anyways? are you still behind and think the time machine is just a time machine?
7 months ago
Anonymous
That's not what this is about, dipshit.
You said we had access to the dream world in Paldea, where?
7 months ago
Anonymous
paradox pokemon came from the dream world. the AI got zapped into the dream world. it’s a dream machine. terapagos got rigged up to be a dreamcatcher inside the machine.
calm down you sperg.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Please answer the fricking question.
>we already got access to the dream world back in paldea already
The frick are you talking about?
>>WE already got access to the dream world back in paldea already
where and when does this happen?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>where
in the time machine room >when does this happen?
the AI used it to go to the dream world, then it got turned off. terapagos is still stuck inside the machine so I wouldn’t be surprised if the player gets zapped into the dream world to do postgame imaginary legendary hunting or something
7 months ago
Anonymous
/vp/ is stupid
The "wishes"" in this situation is about pokemon with hidden abilities. It's the ability some pokemon wished they could had, that's how they were introduced.
You are mixing everything up and making a huge pill of shit that it's going to blow up the moment the next dlc is released
7 months ago
Anonymous
kinda similar to tera and how pokemon would "wish" to be a different type innit
7 months ago
Anonymous
>pokemon wishes to be bug >disregard it and mutate it with crystals to be water
7 months ago
Anonymous
pokemon wishes are aligned with their trainer. just like how pokemon in PLA will try to kill you but become ultra friendly the moment you stuff it in a ball
7 months ago
Anonymous
>just like how pokemon in PLA will try to kill you but become ultra friendly the moment you stuff it in a ball
Canonically it doesn't, look at Akari's Pikachu for instance. >When we were attacked by those Shinx, I got too scared to think straight, and...I couldn't handle battling as a team. Ever since then, my partner's refused to listen to anything I tell him...
7 months ago
Anonymous
that’s Akari. but you’re the player character whose pokemon always obeys you and goes along with shoving 50 tera shards down their mouth to satisfy whatever competitive needs you need
7 months ago
Anonymous
>but you’re the player character whose pokemon always obeys you
Exactly, being the player character makes you exempt from things like that. Normally, aren't guaranteed to listen.
7 months ago
Anonymous
this is an instance of someone mishandling their pokemon though, its a major plot point in pla that humans and pokemon dont understand each other yet, something that doesnt apply to the PLA MC nor the people of modern times who are used to pokemon
7 months ago
Anonymous
It was an example of how people from the Galaxy Team weren't hyper-competant, full-fledged Trainers, the likes of which Lucas had met on his gym challenge journey. Akari gets flustered when attacked because this is the first time she's had to repeatedly interact with wild pokémon as part of the survey team., in contrast to every other modern trainer who ends up in a wild 'mon battle (IIRC, Ingo similarly has no issue with commanding pokes in battle but the rest do - either they don't carry them in balls, so don't have big teams or do carry them in balls but are unable or unwilling to care for a full team of 6).
I'm astonished people miss Legends was the way it was to show that the pokemon universe wasn't settled by Trainers from the outset, but rather the peoples had to learn to get over their arse about pokémon before eing able to bond with them and begin to evolve their society to one where battling ends up a core part of the fabric of society. This even extends to the movelist included - no shit like earthquake, Giga Impact and Hyper Beam reducing action speed, rather than requiring a recharge turn, Draco Meteor lowering all attack stats, insteadd of just Sp. Attk. The inference of evolution of Hisui, its peoples and the refinement of pokémon battle strats was clear to anyone who looked.
7 months ago
Anonymous
screencapping and cumming on this post when its proven wrong next month
7 months ago
Anonymous
entree also gathers the most generic wishes possible lmao
lol
7 months ago
Anonymous
>The tree will ask you which Pokemon you want to add to your party. Pick one to make your wish! >totally not like the professor wishing and picking an imaginary paradox to add to his party not at all!!!
Anon, if you were minding your own business and some sperg came screeching about how the game isn't correct and wouldn't stop until people agreed with him wouldn't. You get annoyed?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>wouldn't. You get annoyed?
Yes. Because everyone is annoyed that you're pretending there's a single person that doesn't conform with your headcanon when in reality you're the only one so adamantly against the idea of anything that doesn't fit your narrative that the moment someone criticizes it you fall back to this.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Because everyone is annoyed that you're pretending there's a single person that doesn't conform with your headcanon when in reality you're the only one so adamantly against the idea of anything that doesn't fit your narrative
Anon, I haven't even mentioned my interpretation so thanks for proving my point. You people are so against hearing other ideas even though yours don't make a lick of sense that you're already preemptively shitting on something you don't know about.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>You people are so against hearing other ideas even though yours don't make a lick of sense
and you're projecting. You think it's time travel when the game is pretty implicit about that not being the case. Meanwhile everyone that's actually played it is saying "it's literally anything else. Use your imagination."
Keep seething.
7 months ago
Anonymous
lol
7 months ago
Anonymous
I don't get annoyed, I'd just ignore him. People like that are literally just rage baiting for (You)s. Don't give them what they want, that's all. Ignore and go on.
I'm baffled how bad some people here are at using Ganker tbh. Just don't interact with bait, is that so hard to understand?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Just don't interact with bait, is that so hard to understand?
Here's the thing, it's easy to say, "sont interact with bait" but the problem is that you get people hold themselves up well enough that you think they're being genuine. Then it goes on and something comes out and you realise they've been stringing you along the entire time.
If we had IDs or something like that again it would go a long way to improving board quality
7 months ago
Anonymous
Then you just have poor self control, sorry. It absolutely does not matter if it's genuine or not. If you know that it's pointless to argue with someone, don't do it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
It's not about self control and I don't see why you would think that it is based on that explanation.
Unless you just assume everything is bait off the bat.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Unless you just assume everything is bait off the bat.
Honestly? Kinda yeah. It's better for your mental health if you do, trust me.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I mean, I suppose it's a fair enough stance depending on the thread. Just look at what's happening around us right now.
We're pretty much the only two having a genuine discussion and it's off topic.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, exactly. Sometimes I just kinda post my own thoughts and then don't really interact with anyone cause I can see it's just anons trying to pick a fight, and not people actually considering anything you're proposing.
7 months ago
Anonymous
It's really a shame, lore threads used to be alright.
>God forbid you try to talk about the time travel mentioned in game
The problem with this is that they never mention any time travel during the game. Just the professor's fantasy of it. Yet if you actually play the game everything conforms to this line of thinking without leaving any loose ends whereas time travel just doesn't work especially given that there are Pokemon games that do include it, and it's not this.
There literally isn't anything to discuss about any other theory. The game goes out of it's way to make everything that could be assumed to be the result of time travel be of questionable authenticity (Paradox Pokemon are actually from occult magazines, the "time machine" just makes shit appear in Pokeballs instead and is never used in any provable way to actually travel through time, and all theming around Tera crystals effectively ignores the concept of time travel but heavily revolves around dreams and wishes).
Look at the first DLC and how Ogerpons unique interaction with Terastallization is specifically described to be it's overwhelming desires and memories. They literally could not be making this theming more obvious. Meanwhile the closest thing you could possibly even TRY to argue as being time travel in that DLC is that some people see dead family member at the Crystal Pool but even that makes more sense with the "dreams and wishes" theory.
Hell, the thing they could have actually very easily attributed to time travel, the fricking Blood Moon Ursaluna, EXPLICITLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TERASTAL PHENOMENON.
How does this explain Walking Wake and Iron Leaves
Hell, how does it explain Raging Bolt and Iron Crown, since those two apparently are going to be found in Unova, super far away from Area Zero and the time machine?
They're shown in a competitive perspective. In reality, we saw them roaming in Area Zero already, so you'll way more likely than not encounter them at the climactic end of the story, after finishing both DLC storylines.
>In reality, we saw them roaming in Area Zero already
You're talking about this, right?
Because it doesn't line up with anywhere in Area Zero
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah because there will be new areas where we find Terapagos.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>new areas
7 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, it's more likely that's Blueberry than it is Area Zero.
Well I suppose it could be area zero of the past with less greenery but you know.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Blueberry? Why would they be there? I mean the first ones were randomly in Raids but seems like the final story will be in Area Zero with Briar so they should be there. It looks like the waterfall area.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Honestly, who knows. Maybe there's a bootleg time machine there.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Blueberry? Why would they be there?
maybe because unova is the place where the dream world was first introduced?
7 months ago
Anonymous
I dunno man im pretty sure we go back to az.
7 months ago
Anonymous
That's just their dex pictures but animated.
Doesn't mean they will be catcheable there.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah because there will be new areas where we find Terapagos.
>new areas
That's literally just a waterfall in Area Zero descending path, I remember catching a shiny Golduck there
I mean >all the themes about finding your personal treasure, wishes and dreams >final section of the game (sans Area Zero return) is in Unova, where the Dream World lies >Unova characters relatives and tons of easter eggs too according to the leaker >Unova also introduced the gems that boost a type move, just like Tera crystals >Pokemon Sleep, literally play in your dreams >Spain also leads directly to the discovery of the americas and the US can't deny they are extremely influenced by them, not only anglos, nowadays, making an obvious Paldea-Unova relationship likely
Poke-America and Paldea are totally connected in the history sense, GF doesn't even need to try to explain their connections. Everyone knows it's implied
(Still, they need to explain why the frick these crystals were in Tohoku region alike, and not Hoenn)
You know, I just got done reading Sphere, and i can't help but think of some of the parallels. The thing in the book reminds me of the images of terapogos that heath drew, the connection to imagination and that being a central theme of the book....
>Heath was found asleep >said he was in a weird place "like a dream" >woke up with a note in his own handwriting that he wrote in his sleep
So the mystery realm Heath was transported to was the dream world right?
Oh yeah, you're a little blind aren't you. You see, or rather don't see, turtle shells aren't just one flat surface. They have plates called scutes, if you look carefully you can see that they form a pattern.
How does this explain Heath seeing Paradox Pokémon, though? Heath shouldn’t be ‘dreaming’ of seeing anything down in Area Zero; again he’s going in here as an unbiased researcher. This sort of posits that Terapagos is omnipotent, or omniscient, knowing when Heath entered Area Zero to make these dreams come to life so he could ‘see’ them and write them down. It doesn’t explain why they look like they could be from the past or future, or even explain why he would dream up something that would hurt their own men to the point of mortally wounding them?
It's another case of stable timeloop bullshit, just like how Legends hinges on pulling the protagonist from modern day Sinnoh to come to Hisui and ensure the region successfully becomes modern day Sinnoh in order for the protagonist to be born and later brought back into Hisui.
Hisui still needs to be made into Sinnoh in order to pull the protagonist either way, as without the protagonist, Volo and Giratina would have successfully reshaped the universe in their schizophrenic image.
it’s either >Heath got funding and aid from the academy. His men got attacked by a regular donphan. Heath lied and made up paradox pokemon so he can return and make sure his investments weren’t wasted.
or based on Heath’s beliefs >”But clouds obscured the crater's distant depths, where the treasure of legend is said to lie.” “It is inhospitable to human life, and as such, I suspect something altogether unknown to humankind sleeps in its depths.” >Heath’s imagination ran wild with the possibilities down in Area Zero that terapagos had manifested Area Zero in a way to match his expectations
either way Heath has been constantly called a fraud, Briar is trying to clear his name, the trailer for Indigo Disk runs through all the pages of Heath’s expedition. so that’s the big mystery still left
It’s obviously not the first half, but the second half doesn’t make sense, because as it’s been brought up before, the expectations Heath would have had for the past at least makes sense, but the future is far too advanced for anyone over 200 years ago to imagine, for the mysterious guardian to manifest?
Heath didn't see anything, every Paradox Pokemon came from the professor, the photos are faked. We don't know why Heath lied but we'll figure that out later, everything falls into place if you throw out the idea there was anything in the crater before the professor.
Sure, if you ignore it, which is exactly why that’s obviously not the case. Especially when despite supposedly writing up fantasy, everything Heath wrote about ended up being wholly true and factual, from Herba Mystica, to the Paradox Pokemon. He did not just make them up, fake images, or any other bull crap reasoning people use to justify time travel.
I think the important thing to note is that Heath recognized the paradoxes he saw were generally iron and metallic, which people from 200 years ago would be familiar with. Just an iron machine unknown to mankind. Never once in the book does Heath mention the paradoxes he saw were possibly “robots from the future.”
When Turo read the Violet Book however, he made up that headcanon himself that it must be futuristic robots probably fueled by Occulture magazines he read.
>probably fueled by Occulture magazines he read.
That's funny because the Occulture entry for Iron Bundle says that it's from an ancient civilization. I'm pretty sure none of the Occulture magazines say anything about the future, just weird shit like aliens and crazy scientists.
yeah that’s true, I figure Turo was probably batshit insane anyways and just wanted to build a time machine to spit out robots because in his mind robots==future, and the robots must destroy the ecosystem as a natural part of life
yeah that’s true, I figure Turo was probably batshit insane anyways and just wanted to build a time machine to spit out robots because in his mind robots==future, and the robots must destroy the ecosystem as a natural part of life
The professor was influenced by Occulture, but they probably came up with the past/future theme on their own to justify why the crater didn't have any Pokemon when they showed up. The professor had been obsessed with the book since childhood, but the Occulture books we find are released on a monthly basis, I don't think Occulture is where the professor gets the time theme from.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>The professor was influenced by Occulture
That would work with Sada but not with Turo.
I mean, only thorns is said to be from the future, the rest are either cyborgs or aliens except Bundle which is from the past. It could also be that the professor didn't want the time machine to pull the pokemon initially but to visit Heath
7 months ago
Anonymous
Did...did you finish reading my post? I said the professor came up with the time theme independently. Occulture probably influenced the professor's perception of the personalities of the paradox mons, or maybe their designs, but the professor was thinking "paradox = past/future Pokemon" since probably before they got to Area Zero. As soon as Turo read "these fricked up monsters made of iron" he drew the connection to robot.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Occulture probably influenced the professor's perception of the personalities of the paradox mons,
Yeah, that also doesn't really work.
None of the attributes from Occulture can be seen in the paradoxes other than aggression.
In fact if they were inspired and dreamed them up at all you wouldn't be able to catch Bundle, Valiant and Hands because they would just be two machines and a human. They would lack the shrinking ability of pokemon that allows them to be caught.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>we can't see the influences from occulture except the part where there's influences from occulture
Alright, dude.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, aggressive behavior is generally common among pokemon. Just look at PLA and the alphas on particular.
all it takes is the professor to believe paradoxes are still genuine pokemon for them to be manifested as pokemon, you know
So are we just assuming that everything Terapagos manifests automatically becomes a pokemon?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Terapagos manifests automatically becomes a pokemon?
I said anything the professor believes is a pokemon will be a pokemon. professor is a pokemon researcher, their dream is to meet pokemon from the past/future so even if Occulture says Iron Hands is a human cyborg Turo still thinks of it as a pokemon
7 months ago
Anonymous
>I said anything the professor believes is a pokemon will be a pokemon
Anon, that's just saying that there's no influence from Occulture
7 months ago
Anonymous
>According to its few eyewitnesses, Iron Valiant appears similar to both Gardevoir and Gallade. It’s also said to be cruel enough to take its brilliantly shining blade and cut down anyone confronting it without hesitation.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Okay you're not getting it. >This oddity's name is borrowed from that of an object described in the Violet Book.
All of the Occulture articles say something to this effect so we can safely say that any physical attributes and behavior were also mentioned in the Books. The only parts unique to Occulture would be things like this >One theory holds that it is in fact a robot—the product of a mad scientist's efforts to create the most powerful psychic Pokémon of all.
But because of the professor and the ability to catch them we know that these are actually biomechanical rather than just machines.
Which then brings us to the question, how did Occulture influence the paradoxes if everything exclusive to Occulture isn't shown in game?
7 months ago
Anonymous
it really sounds like youre taking the world "influence" and twisting it to mean "inspired 1:1 likeness"
the professor reads occultre, goes "huh some of this makes sense" and adds it to his personal headcanon about how a paradox pokemon comes out. because these pokemon are wishes/dreams, that influence comes out in either design or personality depending on the pokemon.
again
INFLUENCE
not
INSPIRE
the professsor was basing his opinions off the violet book, occulture just helped some of the ideas form
stop being moronic
7 months ago
Anonymous
>that influence comes out in either design or personality depending on the pokemon. >again >INFLUENCE >not >INSPIRE
Ignoring the fact that the two words are synonyms anyway you're still not reading what's being said. >All of the Occulture articles say something to this effect so we can safely say that any physical attributes and behavior were also mentioned in the Books
What comes from Occulture if all of this comes from the Books?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>INFLUENCE >not >INSPIRE
NTA but you're being too anal about things that don't matter. You're talking about what from Occulture made it into the professor's manifestations, right? It doesn't matter if you use influence or inspire here because you're still looking for similarities exclusive to Occulture either way.
7 months ago
Anonymous
youre right but the other anon acting like occulture had zero bearing on the professors interpretation on how the paradox mons comes out is just moronic to me. at the end of the day it doesnt actually matter so long as everyone agrees the paradoxes are fakemons, we're really just splitting hairs over the flavor text
7 months ago
Anonymous
>youre right but the other anon acting like occulture had zero bearing on the professors interpretation on how the paradox mons comes out is just moronic to me
Dude, in this case YOU'RE the one being moronic. At the end of the day all he's saying is >how did Occulture influence the professor
And the answer would be to find similarities that Occulture mentions that couldn't come from the book.
7 months ago
Anonymous
we don't know how much detail the book goes into because we lack the entries, but the pokedex only gives us extremely vauge answers like "maybe this is x from the book" meanwhile occulture is the one giving every paradox pokemon a modern pokemon to compare to in reference.
until we see every pokemons book entry in full i dont see why its not impossible to say that the professor based the designs or mannerisms of certain pokemon from the occulture entries
7 months ago
Anonymous
>we don't know how much detail the book goes into because we lack the entries
Not exactly. >Apparently, it's called Iron Treads after the name of a strange being that was written about in the mysterious Violet Book. >The mysterious Violet Book makes reference to a being called Iron Bundle, which was said to look like Delibird >This being's name comes from the one given to an iron-handed entity in the mysterious Violet Book. >It takes its name from a similarly described entity in the Violet Book. >The name Iron Moth was borrowed from that of a flying object described in the era-defining Violet Book. >Its name comes from a similarly described entity that appears in the Violet Book >This oddity's name is borrowed from that of an object described in the Violet Book.
We don't have access to the actual pages sure, but Occulture outright says that they were 'described' in the book and looking at this we can say that they actually took down their appearance and behavior.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Forgot the picture.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Forgot the picture.
i get what you're saying, but again, we still dont know exactly how much detail the book goes into, going back to
>According to its few eyewitnesses, Iron Valiant appears similar to both Gardevoir and Gallade. It’s also said to be cruel enough to take its brilliantly shining blade and cut down anyone confronting it without hesitation.
, why would it say "eyewitnesses" here instead of whatever the book says? does the book talk about it having a blade? how do we really know?
i'd also say occulture goes out of its way to try to characterize all the the paradoxes in some form, which could also have affected how they come out. for example occulture describes iron throrns as cool and calculated, and in-game it's one of the few paradoxes that doesnt attack you on sight
again, i'm saying i don't see why the idea that the professor incorporated the things he read in occulture is such a wild idea, we know the professor reads the magazines, we don't know how much detail the book goes into, the pokemon themselves are based off of dreams and wishes. why is the idea that the professor had a second source of inspiration so far fetched? it's only a small part of the puzzle here, that, like you said, doesnt actually matter since the pokemon are fake either way.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>why would it say "eyewitnesses" here instead of whatever the book says?
Anon, the book is an eyewitness account from Heath.
The only Paradox anyone outside of the Professor's circle could have seen was Treads and Tusk meaning the distinct features mentioned in Occulture would have to have come from the book.
On the topic of Donphan it just occurred to me that Occulture may be more recent than we assumed. >In one arid corner of Paldea, there have been reports of a mysterious life-form. It's said to resemble a Donphan at first glance, albeit one that can abruptly assume a spherical shape and launch into a swift rolling attack.
This is referencing the Paradox Donphan that escaped and took up Asado Desert as its home, that happened recently story wise. The professor may not have even read these, Arven may have been collecting them for whatever reason.
Sure you could say >but the others say they were spotted in Paldea
But the others like that say a certain cave/corner etc. rather than anything specific like an "arid corner".
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Anon, the book is an eyewitness account from Heath.
all occulture entries are taken from the perspective of random people finding the Pokemon, which is bullshit obviously, occulture is tabloids, but that means "eyewitness" can't be Heath. >The professor may not have even read these, Arven may have been collecting them for whatever reason.
that makes no sense. the specific occulture book found in the professor's lab is right next to his personal computer, arven also has no interest in paradox mons and also fricking hates them because they hurt his dog
honestly at this point i feel like we're arguing in circles, we dont have enough info on the books outside of very basic information, so its actually impossible to say with any finality just how much the professor got from occulture, if anything at all. im willing to concede so long as everyones on the same page about the paradoxes being fakemons, im much more interested in talking about the dream world stuff
7 months ago
Anonymous
>we dont have enough info on the books outside of very basic information
Anon, we have tons of information. The problem is that you're saying it doesn't count because we as the player can't physically see them even though the contents are told to us.
Like how Arven describes each Herba Mystica to us but all we get is this.
7 months ago
Anonymous
im not saying anything counts or doesnt count, im saying we dont have the information present to reach a definitive answer. it feels like youre just baiting for replies instead of actually trying to discuss anything so this is my last (you)
7 months ago
Anonymous
You can't just call everything bait just because you don't understand what's being said to you.
And it's not like it's complicated because all I'm saying to you is that we have more than enough tertiary information to say what's in the Books even if we don't have access to the pages themselves.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Meant for
im not saying anything counts or doesnt count, im saying we dont have the information present to reach a definitive answer. it feels like youre just baiting for replies instead of actually trying to discuss anything so this is my last (you)
7 months ago
Anonymous
>the specific occulture book found in the professor's lab is right next to his personal computer,
NTA but that doesn't mean anything, Arven has been living there for years on his own. >I...I almost never saw my mom/dad in my whole life. >She/He was always busy with work. Hardly ever came home >But the truth is, I would've rather just had a mom/dad who was there...even if she/he wasn't anything great. >I haven't seen her/him for ages now. Unless you count seeing her/him in the news or whatever. Used to at least get emails sometimes. But even those stopped a couple years ago.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>we're really just splitting hairs over the flavor text
Anon, this is lore, it's all flavor text.
Is that why the imagination theory came to be because you don't actually care about existing lore?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>it's timeschizo again
protip, you expose yourself every time because you literally cannot stop yourself from trying to shit on imagination theory, you'd get more (you)s if you could keep your autism in check
7 months ago
Anonymous
Atlantischad actually.
We all "shit" on imagination because it doesn't make sense. Not even you know how it works.
And here's a protip for you, if you want people to take you seriously don't scream >TIMESCHIZO
any time someone says your shit is stupid and hurts your feefees.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>because you literally cannot stop yourself from trying to shit on imagination theory
Anon, trying to make sense of a theory isn't shitting on it. It's the opposite, people question it because they want to see how you came to that conclusion and possibly add to your own theory.
But instead you're trying to force a boogeyman so you have a scapegoat when someone says something you can't explain which only makes imagination look like a crackpot theory more than it already is.
>where
in the time machine room >when does this happen?
the AI used it to go to the dream world, then it got turned off. terapagos is still stuck inside the machine so I wouldn’t be surprised if the player gets zapped into the dream world to do postgame imaginary legendary hunting or something
Look at this anon for instance, he said we have access to the dream world in Paldea and the guy he was talking to asked "where that happened".
And he doesn't have any kind of evidence to show, just an assumption.
7 months ago
Anonymous
or the influence from occulture is everything but the things a pokemon researcher wouldn’t agree with. turo thinks iron hands is connected to a hariyama and has a dream of future pokemon but disregards the human cyborg part
7 months ago
Anonymous
all it takes is the professor to believe paradoxes are still genuine pokemon for them to be manifested as pokemon, you know
>Sure, if you ignore it, which is exactly why that’s obviously not the case.
Why not? Everything surrounding paradox Pokemon alludes to them being fake cryptids that never actually existed. There's no feasible explanation as to why things like Wake and Leaves exist if they didn't come from the professor, as Heath explicitly says in his book that they were made up.
If we can rule out time travel, and can agree that we're dealing with the dream world, then as you said, Heath is an unbiased researcher that has no real notions of seeing any specific kind of Pokemon, and the future Paradox designs with their LED light eyes just make no sense for him to come up...therefore, no matter what kind of situation we're in, Heath simply can't make up the paradox Pokemon.
So...then what? Terapagos put the Pokemon there as a joke, then got rid of them after? The dream world is some space connected through time and someone dropped the paradox Pokemon there and then removed them afterwards, including the explicitly fake Leaves/Wake?
Trying to physically put the Paradox Pokemon in the crater makes no sense, or involves plot devices we aren't privy to. Saying there were no Pokemon in the crater at all during Heath's expedition fits all of the established plot points, except... >verything Heath wrote about ended up being wholly true and factual
This is the only real outlier, that maybe Heath wasn't a fraud and tried his best to give a genuine report.
Going over the book again, the last page says that the treasure of area zero is still out there, meaning whatever Heath or the people of Heath's time found wasn't good enough to be treasure, making the trip kind of a waste. Is it possible that the backers funding the book were the ones who made up the Paradox Pokemon so the book would sell, making Heath take the fall publicly? The fact is we don't have the full details of the expedition, and as the other anon said, that's what we're getting to the bottom of.
>I don't know why you morons are so stupid
Pot meet Kettle.
Play the fricking game.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Heath never makes any mention of time travel, all association with the past and future exclusively come from Occulture.
Why would Sada and Turo want to build a time machine if their only exposure to these pokemon is the book that doesn't give any description on their origin?
7 months ago
Anonymous
because sada/turo read the book as a kid and figured the "monsters" with giant fangs or made of iron must be dinosaurs or robots respectively, thats also why every paradox pokemon looks like a child's idea of what a dinosaur/robot would look like, or took completely unrelated pokemon and turned them into a dinosaur/robot like the beast trio/swords of justice
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Heath never makes any mention of time travel, all association with the past and future exclusively come from Occulture.
Who the said anything about time travel?
I'm calling you a moron because you didn't realise that Occulture descriptions all came from the book.
Even Occulture says that you fricking moron.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Occulture ads flourish to the generic monsters that Heath described, like how Iron Treads is a machine from the future or Iron Hands is a human upgraded with technology.
The idea of paradox pokemon coming from the future exclusively comes from occulture, this is what made the professor want to build a time machine.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>the idea of paradox pokemon coming from the future exclusively comes from occulture
because sada/turo read the book as a kid and figured the "monsters" with giant fangs or made of iron must be dinosaurs or robots respectively, thats also why every paradox pokemon looks like a child's idea of what a dinosaur/robot would look like, or took completely unrelated pokemon and turned them into a dinosaur/robot like the beast trio/swords of justice
7 months ago
Anonymous
>like how Iron Treads is a machine from the future
Iron Treads wasn't even from the future in Occulture you schizo frick. It's a machine from another world. >Rumors say this being is some kind of weapon using technology not of this world
The only Occulture description that even mentions the future is Thorns.
Bundle is ancient tech.
Jugulus is a roboticised Hydreigon
Hands is a cyborg human
Moth is a UFO from space
And Valiant is Machinedramon
That's why everyone says it's moronic that time travel comes from Occulture because it doesn't make fricking sense for Violet and in a stunning display of irony saying that time travel came from Occulture isn't even a cornerstone of time travel but imagination.
7 months ago
Anonymous
All these are stereotypical scifi tropes, Turo was already biased towards the idea that they were from the future so he imagined them as such.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>All these are stereotypical scifi tropes
Yes? How does that change the fact that the time inspiration most likely didn't come from Occulture? >Turo was already biased towards the idea that they were from the future so he imagined them as such.
That's fricking stupid though because the only sightings of them before then was from 200 years ago. No one in their right mind would think they're from the future with that information alone.
God, this is why you imagination frickwits irritate me, you don't think or accept other ideas, you just pull out bullshit excuses so you can continue without listening to anyone else. Maybe if Terapagos could grant wishes you could wish for the other half of your god damn brain.
And like a dumbass you're probably going to think just because I'm criticising imagination that means I like the over done trope of time travel.
7 months ago
Anonymous
You sound mad.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Of course I'm fricking mad.
You people don't want to discuss anything, you want a fricking circlejerk.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe take a break from interwebs if discussions make you that mad. Try Yoga or meditation.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>if discussions
I literally said that your inability to discuss like a rational human is the issue here.
Can't you read either?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Hot coffee and a good book can calm you down.
you think a dude that patrols the board 24/7 to start moronic circular arguments is going to do yoga?
Always worth a try.
7 months ago
Anonymous
you think a dude that patrols the board 24/7 to start moronic circular arguments is going to do yoga?
7 months ago
Anonymous
NTA but have you ever considered that YOU irritate people?
I mean, you're assuming that because your idiocy makes him mad that he's on the Internet 24/7 but there's no reason to assume that he is on that alone.
All you can say is that you're making him mad for polluting what used to be a decent space for discussion.
A similar thing happened with MH threads on Ganker.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Seems like you could use some yoga too.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Case in point.
Honestly anon, I suggest you move to something like gamefaqs or reddit. You'll most likely find like minded people who are less likely to disagree with you there.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Case in point. Try some breathing techniques or something. Anger isnt healthy anon.
7 months ago
Anonymous
The irony of imaginationgays is that they can't imagine a world in which they're wrong.
7 months ago
Anonymous
bro terapagos is literally a dreamcatcher
7 months ago
Anonymous
why is it impossible for turo to have thought the pokemon were from the future before reading occulture? he read the book as a little kid after all
7 months ago
Anonymous
NTA but the book doesn't have anything to that effect. Which is something imagination theorists tend to forget when trying to connect the dots like that.
7 months ago
Anonymous
the only person who thinks occulture is why turo thinks its timetravel is the same devout timegay who wants people to argue forever, he uses the same fricking arguments every single time.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, scroll up.
The only person saying that the idea for time travel came from Occulture or even from Turo or the book is an imaginationgay.
Occulture is almost never brought up by time travelgays because they see it as a red herring or point out that it doesn't make sense for Turo since only one mentions the future and Bundle even mentions it coming from the past
7 months ago
Anonymous
paradox pokemon aren’t real, the professor came up with the past/future idea on their own because Heath never said anything about the paradox pokemon he saw coming from another era in time
7 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, the whole reason "time travel comes from Occulture!" is even a thing is because imaginationgays see that as evidence that it can't be time travel since a tabloid made it up.
No one else uses Occulture beyond the fact that they're based on pages we don't see because the game says that everything about them is bullshit.
Even the things inside of it are just completely moronic
A jigglypuff from a billion years ago?
Being unable to find volcarona fossils before they even existed?
A human turned into a metal hariyama because I don't know?
The only one that could be remotely accurate is Roaring Moon and that's just because it said it resembled Mega Mence and that's it.
Heath didn't see anything, every Paradox Pokemon came from the professor, the photos are faked. We don't know why Heath lied but we'll figure that out later, everything falls into place if you throw out the idea there was anything in the crater before the professor.
you’re the only one here who actually thinks brute bonnet, scream tail, sandy shocks, iron hands, and iron jugulus are actually from the real past/future
I really hope that Gen 10 + Kalos Remake get as much somewhat decently done lore and plot as gen 9 has so far. I'm not gonna say it's the best thing ever but compared to g*lar and alola where it was all half-assed and kalos + oras where it was all left incomplete it's 10/10 they actually tried for once.
Alola was okay, I just wish they explictly confirmed all ultraspaces were post-apocalyptic Earths instead of just implying it, but besides that I have no complaints about the plot. Maybe Rainbow Rocket, but they can still return in a future game.
>I just wish they explictly confirmed all ultraspaces were post-apocalyptic Earths instead of just implying it,
I mean, that's because they aren't. Only Ultra Ruin was supposed to be an alternate Alola to show that alternate universes like our native one actually exist in more than just the time swapped version.
Kaguya's legend is explicitly japanese, pheromosa's world is just a nuked world where wienerroaches survived, etc. All of them something clearly ended the world to the point the only survivors were the ultra beasts.
>Kaguya's legend is explicitly japanese, pheromosa's world is just a nuked world where wienerroaches survived
Anon, that doesn't mean anything in regards to being a post apocalyptic landscape. I don't even know where you got the whole "the world was nuked" thing from since it doesn't even look like humans lived there.
Pheromosa’s world is a giant desert? There’s nothing there that indicate’s it is a post-nuclear holocaust world, just an inhospitable alien world where the only life that is hardy, like wienerroaches, can survive it.
You do realise this shit's been infusing its world and lore with Japanese myth, folklore andd old wives' tales from the get-go? Kaguya's legend is Japanese, yes. And SM anime told a version of it concerning Celesteela during its run - adapting and repurposing it to fit in the pokémon world. That doesn't mean Celseteela's UW is Alola alt-shiffted. Just means the pokémon world has a similar myth relating to Celesteela.
With the ultra changes being a wet fart and half of SM getting not-retconned and wishy washy clashing like crazy with what USUM introduced Alola's lore was irreparably tarnished and ruined.
Anon, if it's time travel and imagination it's just time travel.
The whole reason the imagination theory exists is because people are butthurt about the paradox pokemon leaning into real world evolution so if it's an imagined real time machine then they're still going to be pissed because their issues with it haven't been rectified.
Yes anon, everyone considered that in the first few days of theorising and almost immediately threw it out because it doesn't work with Violet at all.
Everyone except imaginationgays.
[...]
The original theory among time travel gays is that the idea for time travel wasn't originally the professor's but a result of Terapagos manipulating them.
With Dokutaro and Kieran however that's changed to Dokutaro having being the reason behind it rather than Terapagos itself since it seems like Dokutaro has some kind of mind control or emotional manipulation power seeing as Kieran's goal over time changed from "I want to be friends with the ogre" to "I want to be strong enough to fight by their side" to finally "I want power" and the purple smoke from Kieran's punch seemed to be indicating possession.
>a Spanish guy brought the first invasive species to America >A PEACH
THIS CANT KEEP HAPPENING
The original theory among time travel gays is that the idea for time travel wasn't originally the professor's but a result of Terapagos manipulating them.
With Dokutaro and Kieran however that's changed to Dokutaro having being the reason behind it rather than Terapagos itself since it seems like Dokutaro has some kind of mind control or emotional manipulation power seeing as Kieran's goal over time changed from "I want to be friends with the ogre" to "I want to be strong enough to fight by their side" to finally "I want power" and the purple smoke from Kieran's punch seemed to be indicating possession.
That's imagination.
With time travel and every other theory everything comes out of Terapagos and people trying to abuse it's power.
With imagination everything about it just happens passively so it just has to exist and no one is actively going after it or using it's crystals for anything.
>With imagination everything about it just happens passively
said no one ever. and it's imagination/dream manifestation btw. terapagos is a dreamcatcher. it catches a person's dreams
Which would be passive. The main thing we know about Terapagos right now is that it's dormant. If its abilities are being activated that means it's not doing it of its own free will.
>Get to the bottom of Area Zero. >The treasure everyone has been searching for a thousand years is just a giant battery.
If you wrote One Piece you would've literaly made it a big coin.
And if you wrote One Piece it would be the power of friendship.
Acting as if a possible source of infinite energy isn't a treasure is just absolutely delusional especially after we had not one, not two but three generations with different types of energy derived from pokemon.
7 months ago
Anonymous
It may be valuable in universe but it's worthless narratively (Just like the one piece a literal piece of gold)
No one in the game is looking for a source of energy and paldea isn't going through an energy crisis.
Something like that would've made sense in Swsh where the plot was about humans slowly exausting natural ressources and having to use environmentaly destructive source of energy, which was represented by Eternatus a poisonous dragon skeleton which oozes a subsetance that creates high amounts of energy, they couldn't be more on the nose about the theme there.
Terapagos is a cutesy mozaic turtle and main reoccuring theme of SV is "exploration".
In a physical sense (represented by the symbol of the league being a compass) but also in a metaphorical, mental sense.
The game is about finding your treasure, what you dream of and wish for, this is why the setting of the game is a school and why the idea of materialising dreams and desires constantly comes back.
Please if you're going to be moronic atleast try to actually understand what a coherent narrative would look like.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>It may be valuable in universe but it's worthless narratively
Anon, if it has worth in universe then it has worth narratively. You can't separate the two and you don't need an energy crisis to give it value. Simply being a massive source of power on its own can catapult a society, or whoever controls it, to great heights much like how Devon became one of the most successful companies due to infinity energy.
Not to mention there's also a school on the ocean that could make use of that power since they have a massive terrarium with four different biomes that simulate weather and day and night cycles.
Not to mention power isn't the only thing it can do since it's the source of terastalization and Herba Mystica, cure all herbs, can be grown when exposed to its power and these herbs can also make pokemon grow.
There is so much value narratively that we see several times in the main story that it's laughable that you would say that it has none.
I don't even need to read the rest of your post because I know it's probably going to be nonsense that doesn't tie into the themes of the games and what we've seen
7 months ago
Anonymous
So you genuinely think One Piece's ending would be satisfying if the one piece was a big piece of gold?
It's a valuable object in lore sure but it's worthless as a narrative tool because it isn't the culmination of anything in the plot and it doesn't say anything meaningfull about anything.
Have it unironically be "the friends we made along the way" would make more sense with the themes that were established.
It justs sounds like you consume fictional stories as if their tangible events and not just narratives.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>So you genuinely think One Piece's ending would be satisfying if the one piece was a big piece of gold?
Anon, we already know that the one piece is a tangible object it's not going to be some kind of useless emotional moral lesson about it being the friends we made along the way.
Oda made this clear years ago.
>because it isn't the culmination of anything in the plot
Of course it is. It's the thing everyone wants even if they don't know what it is. It's the mystery that gives it value not the actual object itself. It could be a literal turd and it would still serve the same narrative purpose as something that could alter reality.
>Have it unironically be "the friends we made along the way" would make more sense with the themes that were established.
Which ironically would go against the theme and everything we've seen in one piece. Like Terapagos being a reality warper would.
>It justs sounds like you consume fictional stories as if their tangible events and not just narratives
Be honest anon, do you even know what you meant here?
7 months ago
Anonymous
NTA but you know what else is a theme?
Past and future. It comes up more than anything else in multiple ways.
7 months ago
Anonymous
You call coming up in the final arc, a running theme that comes up in multiple ways?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>he thinks it's only in the final arc
7 months ago
Anonymous
Please, show me in detail where this comes up in more than: One Titan, and Area Zero’s final arc?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Looks like someone beat me to it.
NTA but >Nemona's future Rival >Arven's accident in the the past that injured Mabosstiff >team star's past and their future as training centers >Sada and Turo's names >Sada and Turo's designs >the font for Scarlet and Violet on the title >Kitakami being a traditional Japanese town and Blueberry being a futuristic self sufficient environment on the ocean >the themes of the paradoxes >Korai (ancient) and Mirai (future)
Even the reveal trailer had a security guard go from a modern style building into an old, dusty, rustic room.
You can even go outside of the games and bring the TCG in since Paradox Rift has ancient and future cards.
To say that it only comes up in the final story when it's baked into just about everything.
7 months ago
Anonymous
NTA but >Nemona's future Rival >Arven's accident in the the past that injured Mabosstiff >team star's past and their future as training centers >Sada and Turo's names >Sada and Turo's designs >the font for Scarlet and Violet on the title >Kitakami being a traditional Japanese town and Blueberry being a futuristic self sufficient environment on the ocean >the themes of the paradoxes >Korai (ancient) and Mirai (future)
Even the reveal trailer had a security guard go from a modern style building into an old, dusty, rustic room.
You can even go outside of the games and bring the TCG in since Paradox Rift has ancient and future cards.
To say that it only comes up in the final story when it's baked into just about everything.
7 months ago
Anonymous
you could say every pokemon game is about past/future if you reach that much
7 months ago
Anonymous
Not really, no other game gives that much focus on the past and future shaping the character.
Also I forgot Nemona's past that shaped her excitable character now.
Anyway, every main character in SV has a past and present events that shape their future.
Also Blueberry is off the coast of Unova, another game with a past and future theme.
7 months ago
Anonymous
nta, but every character with an arc has past and present events that shape their character. a narrative device is not a theme.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>but every character with an arc has past and present events that shape their character.
And not every character fulfils that requirement. Pretty much the only one outside of SV that fits the bill is N, hey another Unova connection.
Most characters just have encounters throughout the game, it's rare that you hear their past or see them into their future or achieve their goal. Take Lillie and Hop for instance the former wanted to become a trainer and you never see that journey, the latter wants to become a professor but you don't see his path to that.
Also while I was typing this is mixed up Hop and Hau because they're practically the same character.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Also Blueberry is off the coast of Unova, another game with a past and future theme.
That's actually a good point, imaginationgays focus on the dream world but that was a minor part of the game. Meanwhile gen 5 had not one, not two, but three areas dedicated to it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>minor part of the game >an entire online server based feature that you connect your ds to >entralink is major part of gen 5 multiplayer
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, minor >side mode >no real story relevance >entire purpose was invalidated with the hidden grottoes in BW2
Meanwhile you have two completely different designs for Opelucid, black and white city and route 4 in BW2 is either an ancient ruin site or the site of some new builds.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Meanwhile gen 5 had not one, not two, but three areas dedicated to it.
unova, a place with past and future areas like opelucid city and white forest and black city. with not a time machine in sight.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>NTA but
's future Rival
's accident in the the past that injured Mabosstiff >>team star's past and their future as training centers
My response for all three was already stated by
>>Sada and Turo's names >>Sada and Turo's designs
That actually is purposeful, and literally doesn’t come into play until the end, where he future and past themes are actually revealed, whereas they just appears to be eccentric clothing choices before then.
>>the font for Scarlet and Violet on the title
I can’t say that is really a ‘theme’, as much a stylistic choice of design.
being a traditional Japanese town and Blueberry being a futuristic self sufficient environment on the ocean
This definitely could apply, at least to Kitakami, but Blueberry Academy we’ll just have to see.
>>the themes of the paradoxes
(ancient) and Mirai (future)
Was literally my point?
>Even the reveal trailer had a security guard go from a modern style building into an old, dusty, rustic room. >You can even go outside of the games and bring the TCG in since Paradox Rift has ancient and future cards.
I can’t say this applies at all for either of these, as it is outside of the games. But yeah, high doubt even if it was.
>To say that it only comes up in the final story when it's baked into just about everything.
Considering Miraidon and Koraidon, the Professors, all end up culminating in the reveal of the future/past themes, yes I can say it only appears in the final arc.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>My response for all three was already stated by
you could say every pokemon game is about past/future if you reach that much
#
To which you now need to respond to this
>but every character with an arc has past and present events that shape their character.
And not every character fulfils that requirement. Pretty much the only one outside of SV that fits the bill is N, hey another Unova connection.
Most characters just have encounters throughout the game, it's rare that you hear their past or see them into their future or achieve their goal. Take Lillie and Hop for instance the former wanted to become a trainer and you never see that journey, the latter wants to become a professor but you don't see his path to that.
Also while I was typing this is mixed up Hop and Hau because they're practically the same character.
>and literally doesn’t come into play until the end
Sada and Turo appear at the very beginning of the game and speak to you regularly throughout Arven's story.
While their role in the story comes at the end the characters themselves are a constant presence.
>I can’t say that is really a ‘theme’, as much a stylistic choice of design
A stylistic choice meant to represent old and modern respectively.
>but Blueberry Academy we’ll just have to see.
Anon, we've seen all we need to about Blueberry to confirm that it's a state of the art biodome that can simulate different environments.
>Was literally my point?
Unless your point was that the past and future theme permeates throughout the entire generation then no, that wasn't your point.
And again, much like Sada and Turo the Raidon obviously appear throughout the game.
>I can’t say this applies at all for either of these, as it is outside of the games.
Anon, the reveal trailer about the game is, believe it or not, about the game. The fact that you can tie it into >high doubt even if it was.
So you haven't seen the reveal trailer or the cards yet you're doubting them? At this point it seems like you just don't want to accept the obvious theme of past and future here.
>Considering Miraidon and Koraidon, the Professors, all end up culminating in the reveal of the future/past themes,
The past and future theme that we've established exists in every part of the game in some form or fashion and the professor and Raidon being constants throughout it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>The fact that you can tie it into the theme so well isn't a coincidence
Excuse me, I was interrupted while typing that I didn't notice that I didn't finish this sentence.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Considering Miraidon and Koraidon, the Professors, all end up culminating in the reveal of the future/past themes
Dude, that's like three of his points. Not even half of them and even through the reveal happens at the end their names are told to you well before it. Basically the theme is in your face the entire game.
7 months ago
Anonymous
The other points are terrible, basically saying that time is linear and thinking that proves time travel.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>basically saying that time is linear and thinking that proves time travel.
You're missing the point. It's not that every character has an arc but that ever character has an arc that has something to do with their past that relates to their future.
That's not something you see often in pokemon which is what makes it stand out. I mean, think of all the other rivals and MCs in the series and tell me how many of them had a backstory that either causes their story or influences them in the future.
The only one is Silver and his backstory wasn't added until HGSS and we don't really see his end result. Every other character is an "in the moment character" that doesn't have a story or future
7 months ago
Anonymous
>ever character has an arc that has something to do with their past that relates to their future.
Yeah that's just time being linear.
That aint a theme bro.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I have no idea how to explain this to you.
It's like your brain just glitches out at the sight of "past and future" as themes and fails to recognise it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
time travel is the red herring and the big twist of indigo disk, dumb dumb. the game being so in your face with time travel is like when clavell claims he was cassiopeia. SV's narrative consistently misdirects you and it always turns out to "not be what it seems." team star not actually being bad, arven not actually a jerk, team star not actually bad guys, clavell not being cassiopeia, ogerpon not actually being an evil ogre.
the logical climax is that the raidon you've been riding on the entire game and the time machine aren't actually from the distant past/future
7 months ago
Anonymous
>the game being so in your face with time travel is like when clavell claims he was cassiopeia.
Are you going to say how? If not then I will.
Clavell being Cassiopia was obvious from the moment he went undercover specifically to learn more about Team Star, you know the team he led.
He was such a strong leader for them in fact that he didn't even know about his own plan Operation Star or that his best friends weren't truants bullying people but actually bullies.
Then there's the way that he expertly hacked your smartphone without knowing what a computer was, only the genius leader behind Team Star could do that.
If you don't get then I'll explain, saying that it isn't time travel despite all of the evidence for it being so blatant is like saying you genuinely believed Clavell was Cassiopia despite the evidence against it being blatant. Both instances require ignoring the evidence right in front of your face so take this shitty argument and shove it up your ass once and for all.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Finally someone on this fricking board who has more than 3 braincells
The game is full of red herrings, "things are not what they seem" is the main theme of the game next to the general "treasure" theme
7 months ago
Anonymous
>things are not what they seem >Penny isnt just a shy girl, she's the leader of team star >team star aren't bullies, they were bullied >Ogerpon wasn't the bad guy, the loyal three were >Heath's journal wasn't fake like the masses said, everything was real >the paradox mon aren't illusions, they're just past and futur-
Wait, ignore that last one
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Heath's journal wasn't fake like the masses said, everything was real
We don't know that one yet >the paradox mon aren't illusions, they're just past and futur-
Other way round, moron
7 months ago
Anonymous
>We don't know that one yet >you can confirm the herbs exist >you can confirm the layout of Area Zero >you can confirm the markings in the cave >you can confirm the metal plate >you can confirm the paradoxes
Congrats anon, you were correct. The masses said the journal wasn't real but we can in fact say that everything was not what it seems and that the journal was real!
The fact that your own argument works so well against you only shows how little thought you put into this.
What's even better is that half the time you chucklefricks usually whinge and say >NONONONO THE PUBLIC SAID THE JOURNAL WAS FAKE SO HEATH LIED!
whenever you hit a corner you just make up an excuse and end up fricking yourself over even more.
It's almost as if there's absolutely no evidence for imagination and you have to use temper tantrums and samegayging to make it look like there are more of you than there actually are.
7 months ago
Anonymous
You can go on multiple websites and see that most people are anti-timetravel.
Your days are numbered timetroon.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah sure, not even the three YouTubers who spread that shit believe in it anymore.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>you can confirm the paradoxes
No you fricking can't
We have literally no proof that Heath actually saw them. That's the exact fricking thing that Arven points out
Besides, I am not an imaginationgay, I'm just stating facts the game provides
t. Atlantischad
7 months ago
Anonymous
>No you fricking can't
Yes, yes you can. You can even catch the paradox pokemon, they're living, breathing pokemon that we as the player can obtain and use.
The paradoxes are very much real.
>That's the exact fricking thing that Arven points out
Ah yeah, you're right, he does point out that they're fake with the lines >Course, the whole book is full of unbelievable stories, the Herba Mystica being one of them. But they turned out to be real... >And after everything we saw in Area Zero—well, makes it hard to say it's all nonsense, huh?
>t. Atlantischad
Oh so you're time chad ally?
Or did you not know that one of the many theories is that the AI and time travel technology came from the ancient civilisation?
Or what about Geeta being from the ancient civilisation, using an ancient time machine to come to the present?
You're so disinterested in anything that isn't imagination that you don't even know that people actually discuss how these theories could possibly relate to each other.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Oh so you're time chad ally?
In a way, yeah
I do think time travel is a possibility, but it wouldn't be million or even billions of years into the past or future. I think the ancient civilization is about 10000 years old. If it really is a time machine, it draws Paradox mons from that time >Or did you not know that one of the many theories is that the AI and time travel technology came from the ancient civilisation?
Yup >Or what about Geeta being from the ancient civilisation, using an ancient time machine to come to the present?
I didn't hear that one before actually. Do you want to elaborate? Sounds interesting
>You're so disinterested in anything that isn't imagination that you don't even know that people actually discuss how these theories could possibly relate to each other.
Factually untrue
You're so obsessed with being a contrarian moron that you think everyone disagrees with every single thing you say and do the exact same shit you're trying to accuse me of
Get a fricking grip anon
7 months ago
Anonymous
>In a way, yeah
Then why even argue about this? Whether it's 10000 or millions of years a time machine is a time machine you have no reason to be a part of this.
You're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
>Yup
So much for being one of us. >I didn't hear that one before actually. Do you want to elaborate?
Similar to the last one but with the AI specifically and it goes hand in hand with the mystery assistant theory with Geeta being the rigid, intellectual rival. >contrarian
You don't even know what this word means. Here's a tip, if everyone thinks it's time travel and try to reconcile their ideas with time travel then the popular view is time travel. It's impossible to be contrarian if you agree with the most popular view.
But let me guess, you'll probably post one of those bitted polls to say that imagination is popular here.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>he thinks the most popular view is time travel
LMAO
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Then why even argue about this? Whether it's 10000 or millions of years a time machine is a time machine you have no reason to be a part of this. >You're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
It makes a huge difference anon, because it means that the professor was either lying (especially in Turo's case) or was too crazy to even understand the machine they built
It also means that the Paradoxes are not a result of evolution, but were somehow created or altered by the ancient civilization (which is the core element of my personal take on the Atlantis theory)
It's not about muh time travel, it's about the true origin of the Paradox Pokémon, that's all >So much for being one of us.
See above
Also frick your "us" shit, this isn't some moronic "us vs them" shit, go leave for your culture wars >Similar to the last one but with the AI specifically and it goes hand in hand with the mystery assistant theory with Geeta being the rigid, intellectual rival.
Ok yeah, I am familiar, but literally what has that to do with the claim that she's from the ancient civilization? >Here's a tip, if everyone thinks it's time travel and try to reconcile their ideas with time travel then the popular view is time travel.
Then this fricking thread wouldn't exist
You're one of those people who spent too much time in internet echo chambers and brainwashed himself into thinking "the majority of people agrees with ME and everyone who disagrees is in the minority" because you either have main character syndrome or poisoned your brain with internet algorithms
7 months ago
Anonymous
>It makes a huge difference anon
No it doesn't. The point of contention isn't when they came from but how they came to be. If a time machine was used then the amount of time doesn't matter because a time machine was the reason they exist in the modern day. >because it means that the professor was either lying
Neither professor gives concrete dates so no. >it's about the true origin of the Paradox Pokémon, that's all
Glad you agree that the time span itself doesn't matter and only the use of the time machine does.
>this isn't some moronic "us vs them"
I hate to break it to you but it is. Ever since the moronic imagination theory came to be these threads have been nothing but a cesspit of shitposting because they don't want to accept other ideas that go against imagination to the point where they're now just screaming blindly into the wind about schizos that don't exist >but literally what has that to do with the claim that she's from the ancient civilization? >Similar to the last one but with the AI specifically
Put it together anon. Tech from another time, a person from another time.
Not that hard.
>Then this fricking thread wouldn't exist
This thread was always going to exist because they're desperate. To be honest it shouldn't even exist because there's no real similarity beyond being a circle, the pattern for the dream catcher isn't even perfectly symmetrical like Terapagos so it's literally just some dumb, ape brain >UGH UGH ROUND AND LINES LOOK SAME!
bullshit.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>I hate to break it to you but it is.
Stopped reading right there
Frick you and frick your cognitive biases
7 months ago
Anonymous
As if you even know what a cognitive bias even is. Your dumb ass is probably googling it right now.
7 months ago
Anonymous
You should’ve stopped replying to him a while ago.
He does this in every single thread, to the point where I think he makes the threads himself in order to bait people into arguing in circles constantly.
7 months ago
Anonymous
There they go with the boogeyman again.
Haven't had Internet at home in a month but I'm apparently "always" in these threads.
Just admit that you can't handle criticism instead of b***hing all the time.
7 months ago
Anonymous
*spits on your face*
I don’t believe your lies
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah like the other anon said it's pretty obviously a single dude continuously trying to get people to fight while complaining about "them" which in turn gets more people to fight, he did it here too [...].
We can't talk about the lore as long as he's around.
Yeah, you're right
He's literally just doing this to force people to argue with him without ever coming to a conclusion, him saying "this is literally just an us vs. them thing" all but confirms this
It's not about discussing lore, it's purely about arguing
It's fricking sad, really
Anyway, my theory is that the ancient civilization made Paradox Pokémon by altering the DNA of existing Pokémon (hence the relation of the Raidons to Cyclizar). Heath DID really see the Paradox mons in Area Zero because they were the last surviving remnants of the ancient civilization
The time machine either draws the Pokémon from the time the civilization lived in or doesn't do any time shit and instead does the DNA altering thing
There's several hints towards an ancient civilization, I'm pretty sure there's SOMETHING there even if I'm totally wrong
7 months ago
Anonymous
No offence but that's even more moronic than time travel on its own. Especially when all the machine does is 3d print paradoxes in a way that maintains them rather than Terapagos' normal 200 year half life.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Sounds cool, I like the idea that the "time machine' is using the power of the tera crystals to frick up would be normal pokemon, did you know a large amount paradox pokemon's "original" forms can be found natively in area zero too? There's also the crop circle and big metal tablet we know nothing about.
For me i'm really into the wishes and dreams idea and hope the connection to the dream world is legit, but at this point as long as its not time travel I'm down to clown with whatever, in spite of the shitposting the SV lore is fun to talk about so I don't care about who """wins""" as long as its well written.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>as long as its well written.
Define well written.
7 months ago
Anonymous
That's a weird question, I guess if it's concise and wraps up all the plotlines in a satisfying manner on top of being fun to talk about, if there's some big twist that was totally alluded to before or something, that'd also be fun,
It's also impossible because Occulture is based on Heath's book, not the other way round
Occulture was written recently, the book is 200 years old
No idea how people even came to the conclusion that Occulture is the origin
[...] >Especially when all the machine does is 3d print paradoxes
What? That's not what I fricking said, I said it does DNA manipulation
Nothing is being "printed", it's taking existing Pokémon and alters them
[...] >did you know a large amount paradox pokemon's "original" forms can be found natively in area zero too? There's also the crop circle and big metal tablet we know nothing about.
Yeah exactly. Not all though, like Iron Bundle, but still
The big metal tablet is also definitely a HUGE pointer towards ancient civ with hyperadvanced tech in my opinion. A mysterious metal plate that cannot even be SCRATCHED by modern technology? That's some Atlantis shit
There's also tons of ruins everwhere in Paldea, plus a few parts of the game that mentions things from 10000 years ago
[...] >but some are based on version exclusives from other games
Is that so? I don't think that's true but I might be wrong, it's too late for me to look it up now tbh kek
>Is that so? I don't think that's true but I might be wrong
Oh yeah he's right, Violet has Iron Jugulus and Iron Thorns but Deino and Larvitar are Scarlet exclusive.
I don't really know if version exclusives are "canon" though, plus you can always get version exlcusive pokemon from raids anyways.
7 months ago
Anonymous
If they were artificial creations the machine wouldn't be able to pump them out from the past and they'd be way more rarer.
>or doesn't do any time shit and instead does the DNA altering thing
This doesn't really work either sure most of the originals can be found in Area Zero but some are based on version exclusives from other games. How can it alter things that don't exist?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah like the other anon said it's pretty obviously a single dude continuously trying to get people to fight while complaining about "them" which in turn gets more people to fight, he did it here too
>This is just fun, meaningless theorycrafting.
I wish it were but imaginationgays take this shit too seriously and won't discuss anything that isn't imagination. God forbid you try to talk about the time travel mentioned in game or they go ballistic.
Then you have this nonsense [...]
The guy is taking "dream" to mean an invention of the mind rather how it's actually used in the sentence as a synonym for goal.
Every single time you have explain basic English and context that it's just ruining these threads.
.
We can't talk about the lore as long as he's around.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, you know one of the replies to that post was this, right?
There literally isn't anything to discuss about any other theory. The game goes out of it's way to make everything that could be assumed to be the result of time travel be of questionable authenticity (Paradox Pokemon are actually from occult magazines, the "time machine" just makes shit appear in Pokeballs instead and is never used in any provable way to actually travel through time, and all theming around Tera crystals effectively ignores the concept of time travel but heavily revolves around dreams and wishes).
Look at the first DLC and how Ogerpons unique interaction with Terastallization is specifically described to be it's overwhelming desires and memories. They literally could not be making this theming more obvious. Meanwhile the closest thing you could possibly even TRY to argue as being time travel in that DLC is that some people see dead family member at the Crystal Pool but even that makes more sense with the "dreams and wishes" theory.
Hell, the thing they could have actually very easily attributed to time travel, the fricking Blood Moon Ursaluna, EXPLICITLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TERASTAL PHENOMENON.
>There literally isn't anything to discuss about any other theory. The game goes out of it's way to make everything that could be assumed to be the result of time travel be of questionable authenticity (Paradox Pokemon are actually from occult magazines, the "time machine" just makes shit appear in Pokeballs instead and is never used in any provable way to actually travel through time, and all theming around Tera crystals effectively ignores the concept of time travel but heavily revolves around dreams and wishes).
He then goes on to get information about Ogerpon's unique terastalization wrong.
This guy you're pointing out, assuming it is one person, isn't the issue here.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Paradox Pokemon are actually from occult magazines
I think this is the argument I hate the most. I mean, the order you do things in a story is important conveying different things when you do them.
With all of the Occulture books about the obtainable paradoxes being obtainable before the paradoxes themselves it acts as a red herring.
If they were found after then they could be used to cast doubt on their existence.
7 months ago
Anonymous
It's also impossible because Occulture is based on Heath's book, not the other way round
Occulture was written recently, the book is 200 years old
No idea how people even came to the conclusion that Occulture is the origin
No offence but that's even more moronic than time travel on its own. Especially when all the machine does is 3d print paradoxes in a way that maintains them rather than Terapagos' normal 200 year half life.
>Especially when all the machine does is 3d print paradoxes
What? That's not what I fricking said, I said it does DNA manipulation
Nothing is being "printed", it's taking existing Pokémon and alters them
Sounds cool, I like the idea that the "time machine' is using the power of the tera crystals to frick up would be normal pokemon, did you know a large amount paradox pokemon's "original" forms can be found natively in area zero too? There's also the crop circle and big metal tablet we know nothing about.
For me i'm really into the wishes and dreams idea and hope the connection to the dream world is legit, but at this point as long as its not time travel I'm down to clown with whatever, in spite of the shitposting the SV lore is fun to talk about so I don't care about who """wins""" as long as its well written.
>did you know a large amount paradox pokemon's "original" forms can be found natively in area zero too? There's also the crop circle and big metal tablet we know nothing about.
Yeah exactly. Not all though, like Iron Bundle, but still
The big metal tablet is also definitely a HUGE pointer towards ancient civ with hyperadvanced tech in my opinion. A mysterious metal plate that cannot even be SCRATCHED by modern technology? That's some Atlantis shit
There's also tons of ruins everwhere in Paldea, plus a few parts of the game that mentions things from 10000 years ago
If they were artificial creations the machine wouldn't be able to pump them out from the past and they'd be way more rarer.
>or doesn't do any time shit and instead does the DNA altering thing
This doesn't really work either sure most of the originals can be found in Area Zero but some are based on version exclusives from other games. How can it alter things that don't exist?
>but some are based on version exclusives from other games
Is that so? I don't think that's true but I might be wrong, it's too late for me to look it up now tbh kek
7 months ago
Anonymous
>I don't think that's true but I might be wrong, it's too late for me to look it up now tbh kek
I can tell you now that Salamence is found in Violet but Roaring Moon is in Scarlet.
Hydreigon is also in Scarlet while Jugulus is in Violet.
7 months ago
Anonymous
That's a weird question, I guess if it's concise and wraps up all the plotlines in a satisfying manner on top of being fun to talk about, if there's some big twist that was totally alluded to before or something, that'd also be fun,
[...] >Is that so? I don't think that's true but I might be wrong
Oh yeah he's right, Violet has Iron Jugulus and Iron Thorns but Deino and Larvitar are Scarlet exclusive.
I don't really know if version exclusives are "canon" though, plus you can always get version exlcusive pokemon from raids anyways.
I see, interesting
That makes me think that there could be parallel universe frickery involved or something
>What? That's not what I fricking said, I said it does DNA manipulation
Illiterate time troony, I'm not saying that's what you're saying, I'm saying that's what it does in game.
If it just altered shit or brought an altered on from the past then it wouldn't be able to infinitely produce paradox pokemon.
Don't make up dumbass theories without thinking.
Well then who fricking asked you? Shut the frick up and read up on what "theory" means
Also it's fricking obvious that you're the same moron who defended time travel earlier, at least try changing up your writing style a bit if you wanna falseflag
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Shut the frick up and read up on what "theory" means
A theory doesn't mean make shit up from thin air. >Also it's fricking obvious that you're the same moron who defended time travel earlier
Are you stupid? For starters time travel is the most boring trope in the world.
Second, YOU'RE defending time travel.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>A theory doesn't mean make shit up from thin air.
As much as I hate to agree with imaginationgay, he's right this time. The whole point of a theory is using evidence to come to a conclusion, it's not just headcanon out of the blue.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Also it's fricking obvious that you're the same moron who defended time travel earlier
As if. I'm watching the fireworks.
Don't say I didn't warn you.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>What? That's not what I fricking said, I said it does DNA manipulation
Illiterate time troony, I'm not saying that's what you're saying, I'm saying that's what it does in game.
If it just altered shit or brought an altered on from the past then it wouldn't be able to infinitely produce paradox pokemon.
Don't make up dumbass theories without thinking.
7 months ago
Anonymous
It wouodn’t, which is why the Tera Orbs were actually created to gather ambient Tera Energy, which is why it stops ‘making’ Tera Crowns after a certain bit. It’s not ‘out’ of Tera Energy, it’s the opposite, it’s full, and needs to be emptied from the orb into some device installed by the league, on Sada’s/Turo’s backers orders, which must channel it down into Area Zero, where it’s then utilized to continue the process of making Paradox Pokemon, as long as it is online.
It’s why it was li tied in making two Raidon’s, not enough energy was available in Area Zero to make more ‘energy producers’, living batteries, closer in material to Terrapagos itself. The ‘energy onsumers’, the ‘lesser’ Paradox Pokémon are easier to make because it uses less Tera Energy to create, or alter, them. This is why I also believe it ‘replicates’ not 3D prints, it clones them, basically.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>It’s why it was limited in making two Raidon’s…
Meant to say ‘limited’.
7 months ago
Anonymous
We definitely need to make up a checklist for a timeschizo post. >needlessly aggressive to bait a response >calls to question the poster's intelligence >makes up a rule about the time machine and sticks to it like gospel (also does this with imagination by saying Occulture inspired Turo to make the time machine) >gives every sentence its own line >loves his little one line zingers at the end of his posts
The sooner we spot him the sooner we can have normal lore threads.
7 months ago
Anonymous
You know that's like every single post in this thread. Like this
it really sounds like youre taking the world "influence" and twisting it to mean "inspired 1:1 likeness"
the professor reads occultre, goes "huh some of this makes sense" and adds it to his personal headcanon about how a paradox pokemon comes out. because these pokemon are wishes/dreams, that influence comes out in either design or personality depending on the pokemon.
again
INFLUENCE
not
INSPIRE
the professsor was basing his opinions off the violet book, occulture just helped some of the ideas form
stop being moronic
Or this
The paradox pokemon were based on the way Occulture described them.
I don't know why you morons are so stupid.
Or this
I just wanted to say you time travel gays were ALWAYS moronic for ignoring the obvious evidence in the games. But I'm not surprised that they can't understand a game for actual babies.
I'm just ctrl+fing moron by the way and I'm picking posts at random but the reason why I can do that is because we're on fricking Ganker we swear like sailors and call each other morons, homosexuals and Black folk all the time.
7 months ago
Anonymous
You dumbass, you're just going to tell him how to avoid detection.
7 months ago
Anonymous
At this point I'd prefer for him to mix it up instead of having the like 15th thread where people talk in circles over the same shit people have discussed to death since the game first came out. Seriously, we had a whole other DLC drop but notice how the thread is mostly just talking about stuff regarding the base game, the connection to the dream world is fricking huge and what the thread should've been about but instead the posts are still talking about the fricking base game plot entirely because of this moron.
If we need to suffer this dude until DLC2 kills him he should at least get new bait.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Seriously, we had a whole other DLC drop but notice how the thread is mostly just talking about stuff regarding the base game
Uh... everyone has been talking about the dlc and even Terapagos in the anime. We only go back to the main game if someone brings up imagination.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Not that there's really much to talk about.
I mean we've already discussed to death about how Momo could have been the thing manipulating the professor because it's presumably affecting Kieran in a similar way and how between the pond allowing people to see the dead and the AI as well as the anime that there's some kind of recording/memory ghost capability.
There's not really much left to talk about until the next dlc drops which is why imaginationschizo leaves bait everywhere.
Lore thread downtime is basically prime time to act like a demented toddler, the worst part is that he's
At this point I'd prefer for him to mix it up instead of having the like 15th thread where people talk in circles over the same shit people have discussed to death since the game first came out. Seriously, we had a whole other DLC drop but notice how the thread is mostly just talking about stuff regarding the base game, the connection to the dream world is fricking huge and what the thread should've been about but instead the posts are still talking about the fricking base game plot entirely because of this moron.
If we need to suffer this dude until DLC2 kills him he should at least get new bait.
>but notice how the thread is mostly just talking about stuff regarding the base game
Well yeah, it's not like SS where each dlc was a separate story, it's one big story. A reveal in the dlc changes how we see things in the base game so it'll always come back to that.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>the worst part is that he's
Playing both sides and people are falling for it*
7 months ago
Anonymous
> A reveal in the dlc changes how we see things in the base game so it'll always come back to that.
That's the thing though, we're not even discussing the base game in a new context, it's literally the same arguments about the same topics that take nothing from the DLC into account at all. Dokutaro influencing the professor? The effects of a wish on the psyche? The possiblity of a dream world? Nope, none of that, we need to argue about if Occulture influenced Turo for the 50th time, or even what the frick the theming for the game is.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Dokutaro influencing the professor? The effects of a wish on the psyche? The possiblity of a dream world?
Watch him sperg out about how these are "made up from thin air" and have "no proof whatsoever" cause they are "baseless headcanons"
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Dokutaro influencing the professor?
We talk about that all the time to the point where there's a theory that Momo put the idea of time travel in their head. Because one of the current mysteries is why they thought they needed a time machine. >The effects of a wish on the psyche?
Interesting angle but no one who wants to discuss anything seriously wants to actually touch wishing with a ten foot pole both because of imaginationgay popping a blood vessel any time someone brings it up as you can see.
Plus low tier reality warping is just narratively boring and the fix all button of it just hangs over everthing. >The possiblity of a dream world?
Eh, kind of in the same vein as the last one but no one really started bringing it up until yesterday.
7 months ago
Anonymous
> Because one of the current mysteries is why they thought they needed a time machine.
No it's not...that's one of the topic timeschizo keeps steering the discussion to though, curious... >Plus low tier reality warping is just narratively boring and the fix all button of it just hangs over everthing.
Funny...that's one of the reasons timeschizo hates imagination theory....
Hmmm.....
7 months ago
Anonymous
Are you really that against lore threads that you have to make up a "timeschizo"?
7 months ago
Anonymous
So there's a notorious "imaginationgay" but the timeschizo is made up? Hmmmm..........
7 months ago
Anonymous
An anti-time travel pasta appeared on the soijak wiki a while back, it wouldn't surprise me if imaginationgay was one of them all along. His posting style definitely matches.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Funny...that's one of the reasons timeschizo hates imagination theory....
That's why everyone hates the imagination theory. Reality warping and wishes in stories that aren't explicitly designed around it just end up being abysmal shlock.
7 months ago
Anonymous
we're already getting canonical wishes in SV with dokutaro, the only thing left to see is how it plays out
7 months ago
Anonymous
I mean, technically?
Toxic chains seem more like drugs than anything else.
7 months ago
Anonymous
yeah but a drug that specifically changes the body into what you desire? otherwise fezandipiti and munkidori would've gotten big muscles like okidogi if it's a typical drug that only does one thing. but instead the chains were tailored to whatever the loyal 3 wanted most
7 months ago
Anonymous
>yeah but a drug that specifically changes the body into what you desire?
Well, yeah. Steroids and botox work for Okidogi and Fezandipiti since they wanted to be strong and beautiful but for Munkidori I've got nothing, maybe some kind of brain tonic?
That or gf likes fallout.
7 months ago
Anonymous
or, you know, its due to the wish like anon said. see
Time sisters...
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Eh, kind of in the same vein as the last one but no one really started bringing it up until yesterday.
I think what really kickstarted it was the terapagos figure having images being posted and someone made the connection it looked like a dreamcatcher because no one thought to look at terapagos from a birds eye view
7 months ago
Anonymous
>because no one thought to look at terapagos from a birds eye view
Colour me shocked terminally-online manchildren have never seen enough images or videos of real-life turtles to glean enough context clues to determine what a bird's eye view of a pokémon turtle could look like like, even with other examples to inform them and the knowledge its shell seemed to be comprised of a multitude of geometric shapes which each displayed a type symbol.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Someone already tried that angle with squirtle.
>It has the string pattern
Those are scutes, it's a turtle you dumbass. Squirtle has them too in a similar hexagonal pattern but you're not going to try and say that it's a dream catcher are you? >with a bead in the middle
There's no bead in it. >and the feathers at the bottom
That's hair, not feathers.
Like the hair on a minogame.
From the story of Urashima Taro.
About time displaced fisherman.
How are you people this fricking stupid.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>You're one of those people who spent too much time in internet echo chambers and brainwashed himself into thinking "the majority of people agrees with ME and everyone who disagrees is in the minority"
Says the person who currently seething because other viewpoints are being presented to him.
Keep in mind, I have no real issue with the theory itself, well aside from the lack of actual discussion material, it's the people.
It's like, walking past a bunch of special needs kids when their wranglers decide they need a walk, you know they can't help being literally moronic but it still annoys you that they're allowed to honk and holler in public and be a general nuisance to people.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>>the paradox mon aren't illusions, they're just past and futur- >Other way round, moron
Okay, so let me get this straight;
Because the game said the paradoxes were fake by virtue of saying the Scarlet/Violet books were fake and then showed the player that not everything is as it seems by revealing they were real, that means that they're going to be revealed as fake later on which would mean that everything was as it seemed in the first place?
I hope this makes you realise just how insane you sound.
7 months ago
Anonymous
The game constantly points out that something about the PARADOX(!) Pokémon doesn't quite add up
I'm not saying they are a product of imagination or whatever, I'm saying that the game itself casts lots of doubt on the claim that these Pokémon are actually from the past or future
That's all I'm gonna say, if you can't figure this shit out you are terribly media illiterate
7 months ago
Anonymous
>The game constantly points out that something about the PARADOX
No, it really doesn't.
The only thing that comes close to that is Arven at the end when he says >Wait, hold on... Isn't my mom's/dad's time machine the whole reason the ancient/future Pokémon ended up here in the first place? This book is from way before she/he made the time machine, but it mentions ancient/future Pokémon. Isn't that kinda...weird? ... ... ..."
But that's not about the pokemon in the way you think it is. You think it's saying that their existence in general is weird but what it's really saying is that their APPEARANCE 200 years ago is weird.
And that's it. That's all the doubt cast on the paradox pokemon in game.
The Way Home is all about how the paradoxes are real and even confirms a genetic relation with Koraidon and Miraidon and Cyclizar something that would be impossible if they were fakes.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Did you not read the Pokédex entries? >Sightings of this Pokémon have occurred in recent years. The name Great Tusk was taken from a creature listed in a certain book. >There has been only one reported sighting of this Pokémon. It resembles a mysterious creature depicted in an old expedition journal. >It is possible that the creature listed as Brute Bonnet in a certain book could actually be this Pokémon. >This Pokémon has characteristics similar to those of Flutter Mane, a creature mentioned in a certain book. >This mysterious Pokémon has some similarities to a creature that an old book introduced as Slither Wing. >No records exist of this Pokémon being caught. Data is lacking, but the Pokémon’s traits match up with a creature shown in an expedition journal. >Sightings of this Pokémon have occurred in recent years. It resembles a mysterious object described in an old expedition journal. >It resembles a mysterious object mentioned in an old book. There are only two reported sightings of this Pokémon. >This Pokémon shares many similarities with Iron Hands, an object mentioned in a certain expedition journal. >It's possible that Iron Jugulis, an object described in an old book, may actually be this Pokémon. >No records exist of this species being caught. Data is lacking, but the Pokémon's traits match up with an object described in an old book. >Some of its notable features match those of an object named within a certain expedition journal as Iron Thorns.
Do you not notice how everything is vague and full of doubt? >treated like a cryptid with one or two "reported sightings" like they're fricking Bigfoot >all entries that is only vaguely matches with the creatures described in the Scarlet/Violet Book >not a single entry mentions the past or future at all >lots of entries mentioning lack of data
The game fully treats them as cryptids, the only person who doesn't do that is the professor who is fricking insane
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Do you not notice how everything is vague and full of doubt?
Anon, the whole point of that is not spoiling the game. You can unlock the dex entries before you reach The Way Home which says everything about them.
Do you think that a mystery just always has to mean doubt or something?
>The game fully treats them as cryptids
Anon, if they were treated like cryptids you would see a bunch of people in game actually searching for them like people do with cryptids.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>cryptids aren’t cryptids unless people are searching for them >cryptid: an animal whose existence or survival to the present day is disputed or unsubstantiated; any animal of interest to a cryptozoologist
Occulture also seems like a bunch of cryptozoologists
7 months ago
Anonymous
The twist was time travel.
This is a game made for kids, not a M. Night Shyamalan film.
7 months ago
Anonymous
This. Manchildren need to pull their fricking necks in and start accepting these are kids' games, thus aren't going to pull shitty plot-twists like "lol, all that foreshadowing we spent a game and most of a rehash laying out wuz a red hering, lulzerz". They WANT kids to understand the story, thus aren't going to pull ay moron-tier bait'n'switches with it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Things happening in the past affect the future so this proves time travel
Is that legitimately your argument?
It's clear you're trying to do the thing that other anon did by "analysing" the theme of the game but you're failing because you have no media literacy so you just point at the concept of linear time and claim it's a theme.
Anyway it's 1am over here and I have work tommorow, see you in the next thread.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I'm surprised you can even comprehend time. Well, it's 1am for you so I doubt it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
NTA but his argument isn't that characters change but that the past and future of the characters plays an important role in the story.
If you look at May/Brendan, everything they have is just all there. You don't know who they were before you moved to littleroot and they don't have a future to aspire to.
In SV their pasts that you don't have anything to do with and weren't there to see come up as important plot elements that influence their goals.
It's not that hard to understand.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Nemona's future Rival >Arven's accident in the the past that injured Mabosstiff >team star's past and their future as training centers
Wow things happen in the past and continue happening in the future, what a great thematic throughline.
Ever heard of the philosopher's stone?
A treasure of alchemy?
A stone or or crystal with the power to change elements?
Sound familiar? Like changing types for instance?
The markings in Area Zero also have a similarity to the squared circle. Which is a symbol in alchemy representing the stone.
>With imagination everything about it just happens passively
said no one ever. and it's imagination/dream manifestation btw. terapagos is a dreamcatcher. it catches a person's dreams
>said no one ever.
The frick? That's all imaginationgays say. No one except for Heath has come into contact with Terapagos, only the massive crystals it made at the bottom of Area Zero.
Imaginationgays remind me of Zodiacgays all too well.
You dig up so much shit, stretch your theory like a gay man stretches their ass, and make threads like these where you speculate what inspired the devs that couldn’t be bother to test Tera Raid from crashing their game.
Of course there is one hole you both like to ignore that is actually massive and ultimately disproves the theory.
For Zodiac theory it was Cyndaquil/Fennekin not aligning with the Zodiac all too well, and for Imagination theory it’s multiple NPCs, important ones too including the professor, and GameFreak themselves Paradox Pokemon are from the past/future.
Of course you just dismiss this and sweep it under the rug.
However when Gen 9 came around and showed that Fuecoco did not resemble anything on the Zodiac, it was the end of that theory.
Seems like history is just repeating itself.
The more you’re in denial, the more painful it’ll be when DLC comes out and there is literally nothing.
It’s hit about as hard as when Zodiacgays were claiming Fuecoco would become Chicken or Dragon or Snake or Bull or even a fricking Horse.
I just wanted to say you time travel gays were ALWAYS moronic for ignoring the obvious evidence in the games. But I'm not surprised that they can't understand a game for actual babies.
>for ignoring the obvious evidence in the games
To this day no one has presented evidence for imagination.
Time travel has the game's story and several design elements.
Atlantis has datamining and Paldea's history with different civilizations.
Alchemy has changing types and stones being a source of immense power
To top it off none of these things contradict each other.
Imagination goes against all of them and requires a lot of misinterpretation, ignorance and a general lack of common sense and literary understand to "make sense" hence why no one can post anything in favor of imagination that can't be argued like the other three.
>It has the string pattern
Those are scutes, it's a turtle you dumbass. Squirtle has them too in a similar hexagonal pattern but you're not going to try and say that it's a dream catcher are you? >with a bead in the middle
There's no bead in it. >and the feathers at the bottom
That's hair, not feathers.
Like the hair on a minogame.
From the story of Urashima Taro.
About time displaced fisherman.
How are you people this fricking stupid.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>it’s a turtle
And? It looks like a dreamcatcher.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>it’s a turtle
And? It looks like a dreamcatcher.
Oh wait I see, you think I’m the anon who said it’s “literally” a dreamcatcher.
Of course it’s not an actual dreamcatcher, but it resembles one well enough regardless of it being a turtle.
OH SHIT TORKAL HAS A "BEAD" HEXAGONS AND CAN PRODUCE SMOKE THAT CAN MAKE PEOPLE FALL ALSEEP I ENCLOSED AREAS DREAMS CONFIRMED!!!
TERAPAGOS IS TORKOAL'S BROTHER!
7 months ago
Anonymous
>AND CAN PRODUCE SMOKE THAT CAN MAKE PEOPLE FALL ALSEEP I ENCLOSED AREAS
>Heath was found asleep >said he was in a weird place "like a dream" >woke up with a note in his own handwriting that he wrote in his sleep
So the mystery realm Heath was transported to was the dream world right?
You know, posting your own caps saying every other theory that isn't imagination is wrong isn't evidence.
Evidence is something tangible in game or in the data.
The AI says time travel, that's evidence for time travel.
Area Zero is named atlantis in the data, that's evidence for an ancient civilization.
One of the effects of Terapagos' crystals is changing types like a philosopher's stone can change elements.
We haven't seen a single instance of thought manifestation or wish granting in game or anything remotely close to that, and no, your opinion doesn't count for anything because half the time you guys can't even comprehend basic English.
>team star is the bad guys, I must believe they're the bad guys until the game spells it out that they aren't the bad guys lmao >clavell said he's cassiopeia I must've believed him at first because the game said so, not allowed to doubt him at all lmao >the game said ogerpon was evil at first not allowed to theorycraft she was good all along until the game says so lmao
Time travel is way too detailed to be a simple red herring. Erasing it from the equation basically rewrites the entire game and even removes motivations and reasons for things working out the way they do.
Arven's lines at the end definitely wouldn't make sense unless it's time travel because he's alluding to a time paradox.
Koraidon and Miraidon's names wouldn't make sense.
Heath having accurate Donphan sketches and pictures wouldn't make sense.
>Arven's lines at the end definitely wouldn't make sense unless it's time travel because he's alluding to a time paradox.
he's alluding to the fact Indigo Disk will answer the biggest mystery of what exactly happened during Heath's expedition and time travel generally not making sense >Koraidon and Miraidon's names wouldn't make sense.
the professor thought koraidon/miraidon were from the past/future and named them that way, not realizing the actual truth >Heath having accurate Donphan sketches and pictures wouldn't make sense.
the professor and Occulture were the ones that took inspiration from the Donphan sketches and pictures in the first place. then the professor added the "dinosaur from the past/robot from the future" angle out of their own volition because Heath never mentioned anything about time travel.
>he's alluding to the fact Indigo Disk will answer the biggest mystery of what exactly happened during Heath's expedition
Yeah, and it involves a time paradox, the thing that he alludes to when he says >Wait, hold on... Isn't my mom's/dad's time machine the whole reason the ancient/future Pokémon ended up here in the first place? This book is from way before she/he made the time machine, but it mentions ancient/future Pokémon.
He's describing a time loop.
>and time travel generally not making sense
People tend to use Arven's line where he says "it's weird" but he also says >Course, the whole book is full of unbelievable stories, the Herba Mystica being one of them. But they turned out to be real... >And after everything we saw in Area Zero—well, makes it hard to say it's all nonsense, huh?
>the professor thought koraidon/miraidon were from the past/future and named them that way, not realizing the actual truth
Anon, this goes beyond the story of the game, those pokemon will always be known as Koraidon and Miraidon. Their names won't change in future appearances.
>the professor and Occulture were the ones that took inspiration from the Donphan sketches and pictures in the first place
That's the completely wrong point. If it was a dreams to life deal Heath wouldn't have dreamed up any of them to see or capture on film and they wouldn't have such a uniform theme. Not to mention they heard them before they saw them as it is.
I won’t disagree it would alter motivations, but as for: >Arven's lines at the end definitely wouldn't make sense unless it's time travel because he's alluding to a time paradox.
Arven isn’t foreshadowing anything, despite both sides that push this narrative. All Arven is stating is that it *should* be impossible for Paradox Pokemon to have existed in the past. Whether it is time travel or not is irrelevant, because it will likely be revealed going forward. But it’s not foreshadowing any planned event is going to occur.
>Koraidon and Miraidon's names wouldn't make sense.
This would only be applicable if the Professor didn’t actually believe it was Time Travel, but as it is what they believe is happening, it doesn’t actually matter. >Heath having accurate Donphan sketches and pictures wouldn't make sense
How? This would only be applicable if time travel was the reason for the Paradox Pokemon being in the past, but considering we have other possible methods beyond it, this is also not an issue.
I never understood this whole >LOL NOT GIVING YOU A YOU, IT'S JUST BAIT!
shtick
You're basically saying that he wins because you can't actually argue against him.
Is it like a zoomer thing I'm not dumb enough to understand? Because I remember before (You)s were added and no one got this butthurt about being wrong.
He's on his last leg, everyone in the fanbase stopped believing it was time travel by this point but he just has to be contrarian all the way to the end.
>search thread >literally all of the imaginationgay images and non arguments are posted in there
Jesus fricking Christ, I knew this shit had to come from reddit.
I'm looking through that thread and not one person actually provided evidence for imagination.
One guy even said he used to doubt it and mounting evidence changed his mind but there is none.
'Cause there's never been any and to make imagination theory work, you need to discredit the actual in-game evidence and imagine it all works without the game backing it up.
I'm glad that I'm living rent free in your head but ever since this post
>It makes a huge difference anon
No it doesn't. The point of contention isn't when they came from but how they came to be. If a time machine was used then the amount of time doesn't matter because a time machine was the reason they exist in the modern day. >because it means that the professor was either lying
Neither professor gives concrete dates so no. >it's about the true origin of the Paradox Pokémon, that's all
Glad you agree that the time span itself doesn't matter and only the use of the time machine does.
>this isn't some moronic "us vs them"
I hate to break it to you but it is. Ever since the moronic imagination theory came to be these threads have been nothing but a cesspit of shitposting because they don't want to accept other ideas that go against imagination to the point where they're now just screaming blindly into the wind about schizos that don't exist >but literally what has that to do with the claim that she's from the ancient civilization? >Similar to the last one but with the AI specifically
Put it together anon. Tech from another time, a person from another time.
Not that hard.
>Then this fricking thread wouldn't exist
This thread was always going to exist because they're desperate. To be honest it shouldn't even exist because there's no real similarity beyond being a circle, the pattern for the dream catcher isn't even perfectly symmetrical like Terapagos so it's literally just some dumb, ape brain >UGH UGH ROUND AND LINES LOOK SAME!
bullshit.
>You're one of those people who spent too much time in internet echo chambers and brainwashed himself into thinking "the majority of people agrees with ME and everyone who disagrees is in the minority"
Says the person who currently seething because other viewpoints are being presented to him.
Keep in mind, I have no real issue with the theory itself, well aside from the lack of actual discussion material, it's the people.
It's like, walking past a bunch of special needs kids when their wranglers decide they need a walk, you know they can't help being literally moronic but it still annoys you that they're allowed to honk and holler in public and be a general nuisance to people.
You know the one you were too afraid to reply to, I've been playing Taiko.
terapagos dreamcatcher merch when
kinda KINO ngl
It was all a dream
Huh.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if there was a connection to Dream World since DLC2 is in Unova. Also, every single new Pokémon is still getting Dream World artwork for some frickin reason... Coincidence...?
wait wtf is that from the datamine?
No, you can find all these artworks on https://www.pokemoncenter-online.com fully available to the public
Where is exactly the part where I can see them all?
Idk if there's any page where the artworks are shown I don't speak Nip
But you can just use this link https://www.pokemoncenter-online.com/static/image/character-all/001.png And replace the number at the end with the corresponding dex number of each Pokémon, they are all assets uploaded on the website
>does not show alternative forms
Well, better than nothing I guess
It probably does, I'll check if you can alter the link for alternate forms
I already tried and it doesn't seem to work but hey if you manage to get it right I will gladly suck your dick
Wait, why is there new Dream World artwork? Where is that artwork even being uploaded?
isnt it used for promo stuff
See
I don't really know why it exists either
But every single Pokémon that has an official dex number has at least one dream world artwork (which is why it stops at 1008, everything added after doesn't have an official natdex number yet)
>Also, every single new Pokémon is still getting Dream World artwork for some frickin reason... Coincidence...?
Every pokemon has been getting dream world artwork since the dream world became a thing.
Unless you're going to say that Megas, Z-moves, Dynamax and literally everything is related to dreams it means absolutely nothing.
You guys are desperate.
lol
What is there to be desperate about? Relax, anon. This is just fun, meaningless theorycrafting.
>This is just fun, meaningless theorycrafting.
I wish it were but imaginationgays take this shit too seriously and won't discuss anything that isn't imagination. God forbid you try to talk about the time travel mentioned in game or they go ballistic.
Then you have this nonsense
The guy is taking "dream" to mean an invention of the mind rather how it's actually used in the sentence as a synonym for goal.
Every single time you have explain basic English and context that it's just ruining these threads.
lol
You're the one taking it too seriously and get annoyed by some spergs. Just chill, ignore them and keep talking about your own theories instead of responding to argument bait. It's literally that easy.
lol
>it stoll thimos we're going to mainland Unova
>despite Blueberry Academy confirmed to be an island off the coast akin to Aether Paradise
Tick-tock spastics.
>strawmans that people think we’re going to mainland unova
>all that post points out is that the dream world grants wishes and brings dreams to reality
reading comprehension. we already got access to the dream world back in paldea already
>we already got access to the dream world back in paldea already
The frick are you talking about?
what do you think terapagos is a dreamcatcher of anyways? are you still behind and think the time machine is just a time machine?
That's not what this is about, dipshit.
You said we had access to the dream world in Paldea, where?
paradox pokemon came from the dream world. the AI got zapped into the dream world. it’s a dream machine. terapagos got rigged up to be a dreamcatcher inside the machine.
calm down you sperg.
Please answer the fricking question.
>>WE already got access to the dream world back in paldea already
where and when does this happen?
>where
in the time machine room
>when does this happen?
the AI used it to go to the dream world, then it got turned off. terapagos is still stuck inside the machine so I wouldn’t be surprised if the player gets zapped into the dream world to do postgame imaginary legendary hunting or something
/vp/ is stupid
The "wishes"" in this situation is about pokemon with hidden abilities. It's the ability some pokemon wished they could had, that's how they were introduced.
You are mixing everything up and making a huge pill of shit that it's going to blow up the moment the next dlc is released
kinda similar to tera and how pokemon would "wish" to be a different type innit
>pokemon wishes to be bug
>disregard it and mutate it with crystals to be water
pokemon wishes are aligned with their trainer. just like how pokemon in PLA will try to kill you but become ultra friendly the moment you stuff it in a ball
>just like how pokemon in PLA will try to kill you but become ultra friendly the moment you stuff it in a ball
Canonically it doesn't, look at Akari's Pikachu for instance.
>When we were attacked by those Shinx, I got too scared to think straight, and...I couldn't handle battling as a team. Ever since then, my partner's refused to listen to anything I tell him...
that’s Akari. but you’re the player character whose pokemon always obeys you and goes along with shoving 50 tera shards down their mouth to satisfy whatever competitive needs you need
>but you’re the player character whose pokemon always obeys you
Exactly, being the player character makes you exempt from things like that. Normally, aren't guaranteed to listen.
this is an instance of someone mishandling their pokemon though, its a major plot point in pla that humans and pokemon dont understand each other yet, something that doesnt apply to the PLA MC nor the people of modern times who are used to pokemon
It was an example of how people from the Galaxy Team weren't hyper-competant, full-fledged Trainers, the likes of which Lucas had met on his gym challenge journey. Akari gets flustered when attacked because this is the first time she's had to repeatedly interact with wild pokémon as part of the survey team., in contrast to every other modern trainer who ends up in a wild 'mon battle (IIRC, Ingo similarly has no issue with commanding pokes in battle but the rest do - either they don't carry them in balls, so don't have big teams or do carry them in balls but are unable or unwilling to care for a full team of 6).
I'm astonished people miss Legends was the way it was to show that the pokemon universe wasn't settled by Trainers from the outset, but rather the peoples had to learn to get over their arse about pokémon before eing able to bond with them and begin to evolve their society to one where battling ends up a core part of the fabric of society. This even extends to the movelist included - no shit like earthquake, Giga Impact and Hyper Beam reducing action speed, rather than requiring a recharge turn, Draco Meteor lowering all attack stats, insteadd of just Sp. Attk. The inference of evolution of Hisui, its peoples and the refinement of pokémon battle strats was clear to anyone who looked.
screencapping and cumming on this post when its proven wrong next month
entree also gathers the most generic wishes possible lmao
>The tree will ask you which Pokemon you want to add to your party. Pick one to make your wish!
>totally not like the professor wishing and picking an imaginary paradox to add to his party not at all!!!
Anon, if you were minding your own business and some sperg came screeching about how the game isn't correct and wouldn't stop until people agreed with him wouldn't. You get annoyed?
>wouldn't. You get annoyed?
Yes. Because everyone is annoyed that you're pretending there's a single person that doesn't conform with your headcanon when in reality you're the only one so adamantly against the idea of anything that doesn't fit your narrative that the moment someone criticizes it you fall back to this.
>Because everyone is annoyed that you're pretending there's a single person that doesn't conform with your headcanon when in reality you're the only one so adamantly against the idea of anything that doesn't fit your narrative
Anon, I haven't even mentioned my interpretation so thanks for proving my point. You people are so against hearing other ideas even though yours don't make a lick of sense that you're already preemptively shitting on something you don't know about.
>You people are so against hearing other ideas even though yours don't make a lick of sense
and you're projecting. You think it's time travel when the game is pretty implicit about that not being the case. Meanwhile everyone that's actually played it is saying "it's literally anything else. Use your imagination."
Keep seething.
lol
I don't get annoyed, I'd just ignore him. People like that are literally just rage baiting for (You)s. Don't give them what they want, that's all. Ignore and go on.
I'm baffled how bad some people here are at using Ganker tbh. Just don't interact with bait, is that so hard to understand?
>Just don't interact with bait, is that so hard to understand?
Here's the thing, it's easy to say, "sont interact with bait" but the problem is that you get people hold themselves up well enough that you think they're being genuine. Then it goes on and something comes out and you realise they've been stringing you along the entire time.
If we had IDs or something like that again it would go a long way to improving board quality
Then you just have poor self control, sorry. It absolutely does not matter if it's genuine or not. If you know that it's pointless to argue with someone, don't do it.
It's not about self control and I don't see why you would think that it is based on that explanation.
Unless you just assume everything is bait off the bat.
>Unless you just assume everything is bait off the bat.
Honestly? Kinda yeah. It's better for your mental health if you do, trust me.
I mean, I suppose it's a fair enough stance depending on the thread. Just look at what's happening around us right now.
We're pretty much the only two having a genuine discussion and it's off topic.
Yeah, exactly. Sometimes I just kinda post my own thoughts and then don't really interact with anyone cause I can see it's just anons trying to pick a fight, and not people actually considering anything you're proposing.
It's really a shame, lore threads used to be alright.
>God forbid you try to talk about the time travel mentioned in game
The problem with this is that they never mention any time travel during the game. Just the professor's fantasy of it. Yet if you actually play the game everything conforms to this line of thinking without leaving any loose ends whereas time travel just doesn't work especially given that there are Pokemon games that do include it, and it's not this.
bro terapagos is literally a dreamcatcher
Don't bother until he takes his pills
There literally isn't anything to discuss about any other theory. The game goes out of it's way to make everything that could be assumed to be the result of time travel be of questionable authenticity (Paradox Pokemon are actually from occult magazines, the "time machine" just makes shit appear in Pokeballs instead and is never used in any provable way to actually travel through time, and all theming around Tera crystals effectively ignores the concept of time travel but heavily revolves around dreams and wishes).
Look at the first DLC and how Ogerpons unique interaction with Terastallization is specifically described to be it's overwhelming desires and memories. They literally could not be making this theming more obvious. Meanwhile the closest thing you could possibly even TRY to argue as being time travel in that DLC is that some people see dead family member at the Crystal Pool but even that makes more sense with the "dreams and wishes" theory.
Hell, the thing they could have actually very easily attributed to time travel, the fricking Blood Moon Ursaluna, EXPLICITLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TERASTAL PHENOMENON.
That art is mostly used in Pokemon Center merch, not sure why they keep calling it Dream World art
that style of art debuted with the dream world back in gen 5, zoom zoom
>every single new Pokémon is still getting Dream World artwork for some frickin reason... Coincidence...?
"Dream world Art" is a fan term dumbass, it's literally just merchandising art, they use it for a whole heap of merch.
“Dream” is literally in the official name file of each new artwork, dumbass.
And? It's fans who call it "Dream World art" dumbass, regardless, it's made for merch purposes, not dreamworld, go drink bleach.
so imagination was dreams all along? words are kinda synonymous
For all intents and purposes, yes.
Time travel never stood a chance.
Yep, I'm thinking ImaginationGODs have superior media literacy
Sovlfvl
b-but time Ieddit sisters…
How does this explain Walking Wake and Iron Leaves
Hell, how does it explain Raging Bolt and Iron Crown, since those two apparently are going to be found in Unova, super far away from Area Zero and the time machine?
>apparently are going to be found in Unova
>apparently
...
They're shown in the trailer at Blueberry Academy, which is in the Unova region. I don't understand your confusion.
They're shown in a competitive perspective. In reality, we saw them roaming in Area Zero already, so you'll way more likely than not encounter them at the climactic end of the story, after finishing both DLC storylines.
>In reality, we saw them roaming in Area Zero already
You're talking about this, right?
Because it doesn't line up with anywhere in Area Zero
Yeah because there will be new areas where we find Terapagos.
>new areas
Anon, it's more likely that's Blueberry than it is Area Zero.
Well I suppose it could be area zero of the past with less greenery but you know.
Blueberry? Why would they be there? I mean the first ones were randomly in Raids but seems like the final story will be in Area Zero with Briar so they should be there. It looks like the waterfall area.
Honestly, who knows. Maybe there's a bootleg time machine there.
>Blueberry? Why would they be there?
maybe because unova is the place where the dream world was first introduced?
I dunno man im pretty sure we go back to az.
That's just their dex pictures but animated.
Doesn't mean they will be catcheable there.
That's literally just a waterfall in Area Zero descending path, I remember catching a shiny Golduck there
They’re shown in the waterfall part of Area Zero, anon.
nooooo time Ieddit sisters we’re stupid!
It's amazing how illiterate redditors are.
can't wake up
hory shit
Musharna was always the key to everything
YOOOOOOO
Dream catchers are a concept of the past though
Half the paradox mons are from the future.
If you go far enough into the future, everything is in the past
If you go far enough into the past, everything is in the future
Good thing nobody claimed travelling is a one way street, eh?
She did:
Everything not invented in the last 10 years, is a concept of the past, what's supposed to be your point?
I mean
>all the themes about finding your personal treasure, wishes and dreams
>final section of the game (sans Area Zero return) is in Unova, where the Dream World lies
>Unova characters relatives and tons of easter eggs too according to the leaker
>Unova also introduced the gems that boost a type move, just like Tera crystals
>Pokemon Sleep, literally play in your dreams
>Spain also leads directly to the discovery of the americas and the US can't deny they are extremely influenced by them, not only anglos, nowadays, making an obvious Paldea-Unova relationship likely
Poke-America and Paldea are totally connected in the history sense, GF doesn't even need to try to explain their connections. Everyone knows it's implied
(Still, they need to explain why the frick these crystals were in Tohoku region alike, and not Hoenn)
Dreams aren't your imagination, they're your memories and thoughts
At this point I'm pretty sure tera crystals are memory storages or something.
She did:
yes but dreams are also fake things that I wish were real. but no terapagos irl so no liko tradwife
Where does that Terapagos picture come from?
https://twitter.com/Light_88_/status/1719313915576721478
terapagos merch
You know, I just got done reading Sphere, and i can't help but think of some of the parallels. The thing in the book reminds me of the images of terapogos that heath drew, the connection to imagination and that being a central theme of the book....
idk anons, lore wise im a little hype.
>terapagos
>steal yo shit and make it real
>it's not black
>mfw
OHNONONONNONONONONO WHAT DID GF MEAN BY THIS
>Imagination gays having an identity crisis
timetrannies are a dying breed
>Genesect is gonna be revealed to be a future paradox
Mark my words
>no hadron engine
Nah
>Ash wakes up from coma
>sees Terapagos dreamcatcher above bed
>Pokemon finally ends
>Pokemon Sleep
>Unova
>Dream World
>Tera Crowns
>Imagination
IT ALL COMES TOGETHER
Time Travel will go the way of the zodiac…
If it's dreams then that still doesn't explain Kieran resurrecting the dead
evil wish granter dokutaro possessing kieran reviving its minions
Woah the dream world bullshit would be a great way to incorporate the Unova Pokémon that god paradox forms... Mind blown
Both sides are massive flaming homosexuals for caring this much about a shitty and badly written story.
>It's Imagination because the games are made up, duh.
Timetravel BTFO
>Heath was found asleep
>said he was in a weird place "like a dream"
>woke up with a note in his own handwriting that he wrote in his sleep
So the mystery realm Heath was transported to was the dream world right?
How do you people not know what a turtle's Shell looks like?
last I checked turtle shells don’t look weblike and have a giant symbol decoration in the center
He says looking at a segmented web-like shell
Anon that shell doesn't look like a web are you fricking out of your mind or what
Oh yeah, you're a little blind aren't you. You see, or rather don't see, turtle shells aren't just one flat surface. They have plates called scutes, if you look carefully you can see that they form a pattern.
that
is not a spider web pattern
Anon, this isn't how a spiderweb pattern looks, you are either blind or plain stupid.
How does this explain Heath seeing Paradox Pokémon, though? Heath shouldn’t be ‘dreaming’ of seeing anything down in Area Zero; again he’s going in here as an unbiased researcher. This sort of posits that Terapagos is omnipotent, or omniscient, knowing when Heath entered Area Zero to make these dreams come to life so he could ‘see’ them and write them down. It doesn’t explain why they look like they could be from the past or future, or even explain why he would dream up something that would hurt their own men to the point of mortally wounding them?
It's another case of stable timeloop bullshit, just like how Legends hinges on pulling the protagonist from modern day Sinnoh to come to Hisui and ensure the region successfully becomes modern day Sinnoh in order for the protagonist to be born and later brought back into Hisui.
Again though, if it’s the Dreamworld, and not time travel, then there is no time loop.
The protagonist of Legends doesn't even come from Sinnoh
Hisui still needs to be made into Sinnoh in order to pull the protagonist either way, as without the protagonist, Volo and Giratina would have successfully reshaped the universe in their schizophrenic image.
it’s either
>Heath got funding and aid from the academy. His men got attacked by a regular donphan. Heath lied and made up paradox pokemon so he can return and make sure his investments weren’t wasted.
or based on Heath’s beliefs
>”But clouds obscured the crater's distant depths, where the treasure of legend is said to lie.” “It is inhospitable to human life, and as such, I suspect something altogether unknown to humankind sleeps in its depths.”
>Heath’s imagination ran wild with the possibilities down in Area Zero that terapagos had manifested Area Zero in a way to match his expectations
either way Heath has been constantly called a fraud, Briar is trying to clear his name, the trailer for Indigo Disk runs through all the pages of Heath’s expedition. so that’s the big mystery still left
It’s obviously not the first half, but the second half doesn’t make sense, because as it’s been brought up before, the expectations Heath would have had for the past at least makes sense, but the future is far too advanced for anyone over 200 years ago to imagine, for the mysterious guardian to manifest?
Sure, if you ignore it, which is exactly why that’s obviously not the case. Especially when despite supposedly writing up fantasy, everything Heath wrote about ended up being wholly true and factual, from Herba Mystica, to the Paradox Pokemon. He did not just make them up, fake images, or any other bull crap reasoning people use to justify time travel.
I think the important thing to note is that Heath recognized the paradoxes he saw were generally iron and metallic, which people from 200 years ago would be familiar with. Just an iron machine unknown to mankind. Never once in the book does Heath mention the paradoxes he saw were possibly “robots from the future.”
When Turo read the Violet Book however, he made up that headcanon himself that it must be futuristic robots probably fueled by Occulture magazines he read.
>probably fueled by Occulture magazines he read.
That's funny because the Occulture entry for Iron Bundle says that it's from an ancient civilization. I'm pretty sure none of the Occulture magazines say anything about the future, just weird shit like aliens and crazy scientists.
yeah that’s true, I figure Turo was probably batshit insane anyways and just wanted to build a time machine to spit out robots because in his mind robots==future, and the robots must destroy the ecosystem as a natural part of life
The professor was influenced by Occulture, but they probably came up with the past/future theme on their own to justify why the crater didn't have any Pokemon when they showed up. The professor had been obsessed with the book since childhood, but the Occulture books we find are released on a monthly basis, I don't think Occulture is where the professor gets the time theme from.
>The professor was influenced by Occulture
That would work with Sada but not with Turo.
I mean, only thorns is said to be from the future, the rest are either cyborgs or aliens except Bundle which is from the past.
It could also be that the professor didn't want the time machine to pull the pokemon initially but to visit Heath
Did...did you finish reading my post? I said the professor came up with the time theme independently. Occulture probably influenced the professor's perception of the personalities of the paradox mons, or maybe their designs, but the professor was thinking "paradox = past/future Pokemon" since probably before they got to Area Zero. As soon as Turo read "these fricked up monsters made of iron" he drew the connection to robot.
>Occulture probably influenced the professor's perception of the personalities of the paradox mons,
Yeah, that also doesn't really work.
None of the attributes from Occulture can be seen in the paradoxes other than aggression.
In fact if they were inspired and dreamed them up at all you wouldn't be able to catch Bundle, Valiant and Hands because they would just be two machines and a human. They would lack the shrinking ability of pokemon that allows them to be caught.
>we can't see the influences from occulture except the part where there's influences from occulture
Alright, dude.
Anon, aggressive behavior is generally common among pokemon. Just look at PLA and the alphas on particular.
So are we just assuming that everything Terapagos manifests automatically becomes a pokemon?
>Terapagos manifests automatically becomes a pokemon?
I said anything the professor believes is a pokemon will be a pokemon. professor is a pokemon researcher, their dream is to meet pokemon from the past/future so even if Occulture says Iron Hands is a human cyborg Turo still thinks of it as a pokemon
>I said anything the professor believes is a pokemon will be a pokemon
Anon, that's just saying that there's no influence from Occulture
>According to its few eyewitnesses, Iron Valiant appears similar to both Gardevoir and Gallade. It’s also said to be cruel enough to take its brilliantly shining blade and cut down anyone confronting it without hesitation.
Okay you're not getting it.
>This oddity's name is borrowed from that of an object described in the Violet Book.
All of the Occulture articles say something to this effect so we can safely say that any physical attributes and behavior were also mentioned in the Books. The only parts unique to Occulture would be things like this
>One theory holds that it is in fact a robot—the product of a mad scientist's efforts to create the most powerful psychic Pokémon of all.
But because of the professor and the ability to catch them we know that these are actually biomechanical rather than just machines.
Which then brings us to the question, how did Occulture influence the paradoxes if everything exclusive to Occulture isn't shown in game?
it really sounds like youre taking the world "influence" and twisting it to mean "inspired 1:1 likeness"
the professor reads occultre, goes "huh some of this makes sense" and adds it to his personal headcanon about how a paradox pokemon comes out. because these pokemon are wishes/dreams, that influence comes out in either design or personality depending on the pokemon.
again
INFLUENCE
not
INSPIRE
the professsor was basing his opinions off the violet book, occulture just helped some of the ideas form
stop being moronic
>that influence comes out in either design or personality depending on the pokemon.
>again
>INFLUENCE
>not
>INSPIRE
Ignoring the fact that the two words are synonyms anyway you're still not reading what's being said.
>All of the Occulture articles say something to this effect so we can safely say that any physical attributes and behavior were also mentioned in the Books
What comes from Occulture if all of this comes from the Books?
>INFLUENCE
>not
>INSPIRE
NTA but you're being too anal about things that don't matter. You're talking about what from Occulture made it into the professor's manifestations, right? It doesn't matter if you use influence or inspire here because you're still looking for similarities exclusive to Occulture either way.
youre right but the other anon acting like occulture had zero bearing on the professors interpretation on how the paradox mons comes out is just moronic to me. at the end of the day it doesnt actually matter so long as everyone agrees the paradoxes are fakemons, we're really just splitting hairs over the flavor text
>youre right but the other anon acting like occulture had zero bearing on the professors interpretation on how the paradox mons comes out is just moronic to me
Dude, in this case YOU'RE the one being moronic. At the end of the day all he's saying is
>how did Occulture influence the professor
And the answer would be to find similarities that Occulture mentions that couldn't come from the book.
we don't know how much detail the book goes into because we lack the entries, but the pokedex only gives us extremely vauge answers like "maybe this is x from the book" meanwhile occulture is the one giving every paradox pokemon a modern pokemon to compare to in reference.
until we see every pokemons book entry in full i dont see why its not impossible to say that the professor based the designs or mannerisms of certain pokemon from the occulture entries
>we don't know how much detail the book goes into because we lack the entries
Not exactly.
>Apparently, it's called Iron Treads after the name of a strange being that was written about in the mysterious Violet Book.
>The mysterious Violet Book makes reference to a being called Iron Bundle, which was said to look like Delibird
>This being's name comes from the one given to an iron-handed entity in the mysterious Violet Book.
>It takes its name from a similarly described entity in the Violet Book.
>The name Iron Moth was borrowed from that of a flying object described in the era-defining Violet Book.
>Its name comes from a similarly described entity that appears in the Violet Book
>This oddity's name is borrowed from that of an object described in the Violet Book.
We don't have access to the actual pages sure, but Occulture outright says that they were 'described' in the book and looking at this we can say that they actually took down their appearance and behavior.
Forgot the picture.
i get what you're saying, but again, we still dont know exactly how much detail the book goes into, going back to
, why would it say "eyewitnesses" here instead of whatever the book says? does the book talk about it having a blade? how do we really know?
i'd also say occulture goes out of its way to try to characterize all the the paradoxes in some form, which could also have affected how they come out. for example occulture describes iron throrns as cool and calculated, and in-game it's one of the few paradoxes that doesnt attack you on sight
again, i'm saying i don't see why the idea that the professor incorporated the things he read in occulture is such a wild idea, we know the professor reads the magazines, we don't know how much detail the book goes into, the pokemon themselves are based off of dreams and wishes. why is the idea that the professor had a second source of inspiration so far fetched? it's only a small part of the puzzle here, that, like you said, doesnt actually matter since the pokemon are fake either way.
>why would it say "eyewitnesses" here instead of whatever the book says?
Anon, the book is an eyewitness account from Heath.
The only Paradox anyone outside of the Professor's circle could have seen was Treads and Tusk meaning the distinct features mentioned in Occulture would have to have come from the book.
On the topic of Donphan it just occurred to me that Occulture may be more recent than we assumed.
>In one arid corner of Paldea, there have been reports of a mysterious life-form. It's said to resemble a Donphan at first glance, albeit one that can abruptly assume a spherical shape and launch into a swift rolling attack.
This is referencing the Paradox Donphan that escaped and took up Asado Desert as its home, that happened recently story wise. The professor may not have even read these, Arven may have been collecting them for whatever reason.
Sure you could say
>but the others say they were spotted in Paldea
But the others like that say a certain cave/corner etc. rather than anything specific like an "arid corner".
>Anon, the book is an eyewitness account from Heath.
all occulture entries are taken from the perspective of random people finding the Pokemon, which is bullshit obviously, occulture is tabloids, but that means "eyewitness" can't be Heath.
>The professor may not have even read these, Arven may have been collecting them for whatever reason.
that makes no sense. the specific occulture book found in the professor's lab is right next to his personal computer, arven also has no interest in paradox mons and also fricking hates them because they hurt his dog
honestly at this point i feel like we're arguing in circles, we dont have enough info on the books outside of very basic information, so its actually impossible to say with any finality just how much the professor got from occulture, if anything at all. im willing to concede so long as everyones on the same page about the paradoxes being fakemons, im much more interested in talking about the dream world stuff
>we dont have enough info on the books outside of very basic information
Anon, we have tons of information. The problem is that you're saying it doesn't count because we as the player can't physically see them even though the contents are told to us.
Like how Arven describes each Herba Mystica to us but all we get is this.
im not saying anything counts or doesnt count, im saying we dont have the information present to reach a definitive answer. it feels like youre just baiting for replies instead of actually trying to discuss anything so this is my last (you)
You can't just call everything bait just because you don't understand what's being said to you.
And it's not like it's complicated because all I'm saying to you is that we have more than enough tertiary information to say what's in the Books even if we don't have access to the pages themselves.
Meant for
>the specific occulture book found in the professor's lab is right next to his personal computer,
NTA but that doesn't mean anything, Arven has been living there for years on his own.
>I...I almost never saw my mom/dad in my whole life.
>She/He was always busy with work. Hardly ever came home
>But the truth is, I would've rather just had a mom/dad who was there...even if she/he wasn't anything great.
>I haven't seen her/him for ages now. Unless you count seeing her/him in the news or whatever. Used to at least get emails sometimes. But even those stopped a couple years ago.
>we're really just splitting hairs over the flavor text
Anon, this is lore, it's all flavor text.
Is that why the imagination theory came to be because you don't actually care about existing lore?
>it's timeschizo again
protip, you expose yourself every time because you literally cannot stop yourself from trying to shit on imagination theory, you'd get more (you)s if you could keep your autism in check
Atlantischad actually.
We all "shit" on imagination because it doesn't make sense. Not even you know how it works.
And here's a protip for you, if you want people to take you seriously don't scream
>TIMESCHIZO
any time someone says your shit is stupid and hurts your feefees.
>because you literally cannot stop yourself from trying to shit on imagination theory
Anon, trying to make sense of a theory isn't shitting on it. It's the opposite, people question it because they want to see how you came to that conclusion and possibly add to your own theory.
But instead you're trying to force a boogeyman so you have a scapegoat when someone says something you can't explain which only makes imagination look like a crackpot theory more than it already is.
Look at this anon for instance, he said we have access to the dream world in Paldea and the guy he was talking to asked "where that happened".
And he doesn't have any kind of evidence to show, just an assumption.
or the influence from occulture is everything but the things a pokemon researcher wouldn’t agree with. turo thinks iron hands is connected to a hariyama and has a dream of future pokemon but disregards the human cyborg part
all it takes is the professor to believe paradoxes are still genuine pokemon for them to be manifested as pokemon, you know
>Sure, if you ignore it, which is exactly why that’s obviously not the case.
Why not? Everything surrounding paradox Pokemon alludes to them being fake cryptids that never actually existed. There's no feasible explanation as to why things like Wake and Leaves exist if they didn't come from the professor, as Heath explicitly says in his book that they were made up.
If we can rule out time travel, and can agree that we're dealing with the dream world, then as you said, Heath is an unbiased researcher that has no real notions of seeing any specific kind of Pokemon, and the future Paradox designs with their LED light eyes just make no sense for him to come up...therefore, no matter what kind of situation we're in, Heath simply can't make up the paradox Pokemon.
So...then what? Terapagos put the Pokemon there as a joke, then got rid of them after? The dream world is some space connected through time and someone dropped the paradox Pokemon there and then removed them afterwards, including the explicitly fake Leaves/Wake?
Trying to physically put the Paradox Pokemon in the crater makes no sense, or involves plot devices we aren't privy to. Saying there were no Pokemon in the crater at all during Heath's expedition fits all of the established plot points, except...
>verything Heath wrote about ended up being wholly true and factual
This is the only real outlier, that maybe Heath wasn't a fraud and tried his best to give a genuine report.
Going over the book again, the last page says that the treasure of area zero is still out there, meaning whatever Heath or the people of Heath's time found wasn't good enough to be treasure, making the trip kind of a waste. Is it possible that the backers funding the book were the ones who made up the Paradox Pokemon so the book would sell, making Heath take the fall publicly? The fact is we don't have the full details of the expedition, and as the other anon said, that's what we're getting to the bottom of.
The paradox pokemon were based on the way Occulture described them.
I don't know why you morons are so stupid.
>I don't know why you morons are so stupid
Pot meet Kettle.
Play the fricking game.
Heath never makes any mention of time travel, all association with the past and future exclusively come from Occulture.
Why would Sada and Turo want to build a time machine if their only exposure to these pokemon is the book that doesn't give any description on their origin?
because sada/turo read the book as a kid and figured the "monsters" with giant fangs or made of iron must be dinosaurs or robots respectively, thats also why every paradox pokemon looks like a child's idea of what a dinosaur/robot would look like, or took completely unrelated pokemon and turned them into a dinosaur/robot like the beast trio/swords of justice
>Heath never makes any mention of time travel, all association with the past and future exclusively come from Occulture.
Who the said anything about time travel?
I'm calling you a moron because you didn't realise that Occulture descriptions all came from the book.
Even Occulture says that you fricking moron.
Occulture ads flourish to the generic monsters that Heath described, like how Iron Treads is a machine from the future or Iron Hands is a human upgraded with technology.
The idea of paradox pokemon coming from the future exclusively comes from occulture, this is what made the professor want to build a time machine.
>the idea of paradox pokemon coming from the future exclusively comes from occulture
>like how Iron Treads is a machine from the future
Iron Treads wasn't even from the future in Occulture you schizo frick. It's a machine from another world.
>Rumors say this being is some kind of weapon using technology not of this world
The only Occulture description that even mentions the future is Thorns.
Bundle is ancient tech.
Jugulus is a roboticised Hydreigon
Hands is a cyborg human
Moth is a UFO from space
And Valiant is Machinedramon
That's why everyone says it's moronic that time travel comes from Occulture because it doesn't make fricking sense for Violet and in a stunning display of irony saying that time travel came from Occulture isn't even a cornerstone of time travel but imagination.
All these are stereotypical scifi tropes, Turo was already biased towards the idea that they were from the future so he imagined them as such.
>All these are stereotypical scifi tropes
Yes? How does that change the fact that the time inspiration most likely didn't come from Occulture?
>Turo was already biased towards the idea that they were from the future so he imagined them as such.
That's fricking stupid though because the only sightings of them before then was from 200 years ago. No one in their right mind would think they're from the future with that information alone.
God, this is why you imagination frickwits irritate me, you don't think or accept other ideas, you just pull out bullshit excuses so you can continue without listening to anyone else. Maybe if Terapagos could grant wishes you could wish for the other half of your god damn brain.
And like a dumbass you're probably going to think just because I'm criticising imagination that means I like the over done trope of time travel.
You sound mad.
Of course I'm fricking mad.
You people don't want to discuss anything, you want a fricking circlejerk.
Maybe take a break from interwebs if discussions make you that mad. Try Yoga or meditation.
>if discussions
I literally said that your inability to discuss like a rational human is the issue here.
Can't you read either?
Hot coffee and a good book can calm you down.
Always worth a try.
you think a dude that patrols the board 24/7 to start moronic circular arguments is going to do yoga?
NTA but have you ever considered that YOU irritate people?
I mean, you're assuming that because your idiocy makes him mad that he's on the Internet 24/7 but there's no reason to assume that he is on that alone.
All you can say is that you're making him mad for polluting what used to be a decent space for discussion.
A similar thing happened with MH threads on Ganker.
Seems like you could use some yoga too.
Case in point.
Honestly anon, I suggest you move to something like gamefaqs or reddit. You'll most likely find like minded people who are less likely to disagree with you there.
Case in point. Try some breathing techniques or something. Anger isnt healthy anon.
The irony of imaginationgays is that they can't imagine a world in which they're wrong.
bro terapagos is literally a dreamcatcher
why is it impossible for turo to have thought the pokemon were from the future before reading occulture? he read the book as a little kid after all
NTA but the book doesn't have anything to that effect. Which is something imagination theorists tend to forget when trying to connect the dots like that.
the only person who thinks occulture is why turo thinks its timetravel is the same devout timegay who wants people to argue forever, he uses the same fricking arguments every single time.
Anon, scroll up.
The only person saying that the idea for time travel came from Occulture or even from Turo or the book is an imaginationgay.
Occulture is almost never brought up by time travelgays because they see it as a red herring or point out that it doesn't make sense for Turo since only one mentions the future and Bundle even mentions it coming from the past
paradox pokemon aren’t real, the professor came up with the past/future idea on their own because Heath never said anything about the paradox pokemon he saw coming from another era in time
Anon, the whole reason "time travel comes from Occulture!" is even a thing is because imaginationgays see that as evidence that it can't be time travel since a tabloid made it up.
No one else uses Occulture beyond the fact that they're based on pages we don't see because the game says that everything about them is bullshit.
Even the things inside of it are just completely moronic
A jigglypuff from a billion years ago?
Being unable to find volcarona fossils before they even existed?
A human turned into a metal hariyama because I don't know?
The only one that could be remotely accurate is Roaring Moon and that's just because it said it resembled Mega Mence and that's it.
Heath didn't see anything, every Paradox Pokemon came from the professor, the photos are faked. We don't know why Heath lied but we'll figure that out later, everything falls into place if you throw out the idea there was anything in the crater before the professor.
Or, y'know, the professor dreamed up a working time machine.
we left the possibility that paradox pokemon are legit eons ago anon
we = you and the voices in your head
you’re the only one here who actually thinks brute bonnet, scream tail, sandy shocks, iron hands, and iron jugulus are actually from the real past/future
The pokemon would still be fake unless you're a moron who thinks pokemon will turn into robots and raikou was originally a dinosaur
I'm starting to think you need to sniff cocain to design pokemons or for making theories over the internet
>Cosmic dream turtle
Mr. King was right
I really hope that Gen 10 + Kalos Remake get as much somewhat decently done lore and plot as gen 9 has so far. I'm not gonna say it's the best thing ever but compared to g*lar and alola where it was all half-assed and kalos + oras where it was all left incomplete it's 10/10 they actually tried for once.
I just want AZ's Floette goddamnit its so cute.
Alola was okay, I just wish they explictly confirmed all ultraspaces were post-apocalyptic Earths instead of just implying it, but besides that I have no complaints about the plot. Maybe Rainbow Rocket, but they can still return in a future game.
>I just wish they explictly confirmed all ultraspaces were post-apocalyptic Earths instead of just implying it,
I mean, that's because they aren't. Only Ultra Ruin was supposed to be an alternate Alola to show that alternate universes like our native one actually exist in more than just the time swapped version.
Kaguya's legend is explicitly japanese, pheromosa's world is just a nuked world where wienerroaches survived, etc. All of them something clearly ended the world to the point the only survivors were the ultra beasts.
>Kaguya's legend is explicitly japanese, pheromosa's world is just a nuked world where wienerroaches survived
Anon, that doesn't mean anything in regards to being a post apocalyptic landscape. I don't even know where you got the whole "the world was nuked" thing from since it doesn't even look like humans lived there.
Pheromosa’s world is a giant desert? There’s nothing there that indicate’s it is a post-nuclear holocaust world, just an inhospitable alien world where the only life that is hardy, like wienerroaches, can survive it.
>Kaguya's legend is explicitly japanese,
Wouldn't that just make the Ultra crater some moon in another dimension?
You do realise this shit's been infusing its world and lore with Japanese myth, folklore andd old wives' tales from the get-go? Kaguya's legend is Japanese, yes. And SM anime told a version of it concerning Celesteela during its run - adapting and repurposing it to fit in the pokémon world. That doesn't mean Celseteela's UW is Alola alt-shiffted. Just means the pokémon world has a similar myth relating to Celesteela.
With the ultra changes being a wet fart and half of SM getting not-retconned and wishy washy clashing like crazy with what USUM introduced Alola's lore was irreparably tarnished and ruined.
so is the new tera type supposed to be a dream type or what
holy frick time travel gays utterly DESTROYED
the real twist is that Clavell will reveal himself to be Heath
We already know Clavell is Cassiopea anon, the game literally say so.
I still believe in evil Geeta.
What if it's both Time Travel AND Imagination? What will you do then?
Anon, if it's time travel and imagination it's just time travel.
The whole reason the imagination theory exists is because people are butthurt about the paradox pokemon leaning into real world evolution so if it's an imagined real time machine then they're still going to be pissed because their issues with it haven't been rectified.
These two posts really highlight the issue in these threads.
The real word evolution of turning into robots?
Yeah like you see if its both timekeks will throw a fit and say it doesnt count and the story got retconned and its stupid.
Tea is good for relaxation bros.
Time sisters...
Yes anon, everyone considered that in the first few days of theorising and almost immediately threw it out because it doesn't work with Violet at all.
Everyone except imaginationgays.
Absolutely embarrassing post.
So embarrassing in fact that he deleted it.
>dreamcatcher
>native americans
bruuuuuuuuuuuuuh
sweet new rabbit hole.
Gen 9 is kino
>a Spanish guy brought the first invasive species to America
>A PEACH
THIS CANT KEEP HAPPENING
The original theory among time travel gays is that the idea for time travel wasn't originally the professor's but a result of Terapagos manipulating them.
With Dokutaro and Kieran however that's changed to Dokutaro having being the reason behind it rather than Terapagos itself since it seems like Dokutaro has some kind of mind control or emotional manipulation power seeing as Kieran's goal over time changed from "I want to be friends with the ogre" to "I want to be strong enough to fight by their side" to finally "I want power" and the purple smoke from Kieran's punch seemed to be indicating possession.
To believe in time travel you have to believe that Terapagos will be a side note in its own game.
That's imagination.
With time travel and every other theory everything comes out of Terapagos and people trying to abuse it's power.
With imagination everything about it just happens passively so it just has to exist and no one is actively going after it or using it's crystals for anything.
Lmao, what is the treasure of area zero under time travel theory?
A massive power source.
Which would be passive. The main thing we know about Terapagos right now is that it's dormant. If its abilities are being activated that means it's not doing it of its own free will.
>Get to the bottom of Area Zero.
>The treasure everyone has been searching for a thousand years is just a giant battery.
If you wrote One Piece you would've literaly made it a big coin.
What if the one piece IS a giant coin?
And if you wrote One Piece it would be the power of friendship.
Acting as if a possible source of infinite energy isn't a treasure is just absolutely delusional especially after we had not one, not two but three generations with different types of energy derived from pokemon.
It may be valuable in universe but it's worthless narratively (Just like the one piece a literal piece of gold)
No one in the game is looking for a source of energy and paldea isn't going through an energy crisis.
Something like that would've made sense in Swsh where the plot was about humans slowly exausting natural ressources and having to use environmentaly destructive source of energy, which was represented by Eternatus a poisonous dragon skeleton which oozes a subsetance that creates high amounts of energy, they couldn't be more on the nose about the theme there.
Terapagos is a cutesy mozaic turtle and main reoccuring theme of SV is "exploration".
In a physical sense (represented by the symbol of the league being a compass) but also in a metaphorical, mental sense.
The game is about finding your treasure, what you dream of and wish for, this is why the setting of the game is a school and why the idea of materialising dreams and desires constantly comes back.
Please if you're going to be moronic atleast try to actually understand what a coherent narrative would look like.
>It may be valuable in universe but it's worthless narratively
Anon, if it has worth in universe then it has worth narratively. You can't separate the two and you don't need an energy crisis to give it value. Simply being a massive source of power on its own can catapult a society, or whoever controls it, to great heights much like how Devon became one of the most successful companies due to infinity energy.
Not to mention there's also a school on the ocean that could make use of that power since they have a massive terrarium with four different biomes that simulate weather and day and night cycles.
Not to mention power isn't the only thing it can do since it's the source of terastalization and Herba Mystica, cure all herbs, can be grown when exposed to its power and these herbs can also make pokemon grow.
There is so much value narratively that we see several times in the main story that it's laughable that you would say that it has none.
I don't even need to read the rest of your post because I know it's probably going to be nonsense that doesn't tie into the themes of the games and what we've seen
So you genuinely think One Piece's ending would be satisfying if the one piece was a big piece of gold?
It's a valuable object in lore sure but it's worthless as a narrative tool because it isn't the culmination of anything in the plot and it doesn't say anything meaningfull about anything.
Have it unironically be "the friends we made along the way" would make more sense with the themes that were established.
It justs sounds like you consume fictional stories as if their tangible events and not just narratives.
>So you genuinely think One Piece's ending would be satisfying if the one piece was a big piece of gold?
Anon, we already know that the one piece is a tangible object it's not going to be some kind of useless emotional moral lesson about it being the friends we made along the way.
Oda made this clear years ago.
>because it isn't the culmination of anything in the plot
Of course it is. It's the thing everyone wants even if they don't know what it is. It's the mystery that gives it value not the actual object itself. It could be a literal turd and it would still serve the same narrative purpose as something that could alter reality.
>Have it unironically be "the friends we made along the way" would make more sense with the themes that were established.
Which ironically would go against the theme and everything we've seen in one piece. Like Terapagos being a reality warper would.
>It justs sounds like you consume fictional stories as if their tangible events and not just narratives
Be honest anon, do you even know what you meant here?
NTA but you know what else is a theme?
Past and future. It comes up more than anything else in multiple ways.
You call coming up in the final arc, a running theme that comes up in multiple ways?
>he thinks it's only in the final arc
Please, show me in detail where this comes up in more than: One Titan, and Area Zero’s final arc?
Looks like someone beat me to it.
NTA but
>Nemona's future Rival
>Arven's accident in the the past that injured Mabosstiff
>team star's past and their future as training centers
>Sada and Turo's names
>Sada and Turo's designs
>the font for Scarlet and Violet on the title
>Kitakami being a traditional Japanese town and Blueberry being a futuristic self sufficient environment on the ocean
>the themes of the paradoxes
>Korai (ancient) and Mirai (future)
Even the reveal trailer had a security guard go from a modern style building into an old, dusty, rustic room.
You can even go outside of the games and bring the TCG in since Paradox Rift has ancient and future cards.
To say that it only comes up in the final story when it's baked into just about everything.
you could say every pokemon game is about past/future if you reach that much
Not really, no other game gives that much focus on the past and future shaping the character.
Also I forgot Nemona's past that shaped her excitable character now.
Anyway, every main character in SV has a past and present events that shape their future.
Also Blueberry is off the coast of Unova, another game with a past and future theme.
nta, but every character with an arc has past and present events that shape their character. a narrative device is not a theme.
>but every character with an arc has past and present events that shape their character.
And not every character fulfils that requirement. Pretty much the only one outside of SV that fits the bill is N, hey another Unova connection.
Most characters just have encounters throughout the game, it's rare that you hear their past or see them into their future or achieve their goal. Take Lillie and Hop for instance the former wanted to become a trainer and you never see that journey, the latter wants to become a professor but you don't see his path to that.
Also while I was typing this is mixed up Hop and Hau because they're practically the same character.
>Also Blueberry is off the coast of Unova, another game with a past and future theme.
That's actually a good point, imaginationgays focus on the dream world but that was a minor part of the game. Meanwhile gen 5 had not one, not two, but three areas dedicated to it.
>minor part of the game
>an entire online server based feature that you connect your ds to
>entralink is major part of gen 5 multiplayer
Yes, minor
>side mode
>no real story relevance
>entire purpose was invalidated with the hidden grottoes in BW2
Meanwhile you have two completely different designs for Opelucid, black and white city and route 4 in BW2 is either an ancient ruin site or the site of some new builds.
>Meanwhile gen 5 had not one, not two, but three areas dedicated to it.
unova, a place with past and future areas like opelucid city and white forest and black city. with not a time machine in sight.
>NTA but
's future Rival
's accident in the the past that injured Mabosstiff
>>team star's past and their future as training centers
My response for all three was already stated by
>>Sada and Turo's names
>>Sada and Turo's designs
That actually is purposeful, and literally doesn’t come into play until the end, where he future and past themes are actually revealed, whereas they just appears to be eccentric clothing choices before then.
>>the font for Scarlet and Violet on the title
I can’t say that is really a ‘theme’, as much a stylistic choice of design.
being a traditional Japanese town and Blueberry being a futuristic self sufficient environment on the ocean
This definitely could apply, at least to Kitakami, but Blueberry Academy we’ll just have to see.
>>the themes of the paradoxes
(ancient) and Mirai (future)
Was literally my point?
>Even the reveal trailer had a security guard go from a modern style building into an old, dusty, rustic room.
>You can even go outside of the games and bring the TCG in since Paradox Rift has ancient and future cards.
I can’t say this applies at all for either of these, as it is outside of the games. But yeah, high doubt even if it was.
>To say that it only comes up in the final story when it's baked into just about everything.
Considering Miraidon and Koraidon, the Professors, all end up culminating in the reveal of the future/past themes, yes I can say it only appears in the final arc.
>My response for all three was already stated by
#
To which you now need to respond to this
>and literally doesn’t come into play until the end
Sada and Turo appear at the very beginning of the game and speak to you regularly throughout Arven's story.
While their role in the story comes at the end the characters themselves are a constant presence.
>I can’t say that is really a ‘theme’, as much a stylistic choice of design
A stylistic choice meant to represent old and modern respectively.
>but Blueberry Academy we’ll just have to see.
Anon, we've seen all we need to about Blueberry to confirm that it's a state of the art biodome that can simulate different environments.
>Was literally my point?
Unless your point was that the past and future theme permeates throughout the entire generation then no, that wasn't your point.
And again, much like Sada and Turo the Raidon obviously appear throughout the game.
>I can’t say this applies at all for either of these, as it is outside of the games.
Anon, the reveal trailer about the game is, believe it or not, about the game. The fact that you can tie it into
>high doubt even if it was.
So you haven't seen the reveal trailer or the cards yet you're doubting them? At this point it seems like you just don't want to accept the obvious theme of past and future here.
>Considering Miraidon and Koraidon, the Professors, all end up culminating in the reveal of the future/past themes,
The past and future theme that we've established exists in every part of the game in some form or fashion and the professor and Raidon being constants throughout it.
>The fact that you can tie it into the theme so well isn't a coincidence
Excuse me, I was interrupted while typing that I didn't notice that I didn't finish this sentence.
>Considering Miraidon and Koraidon, the Professors, all end up culminating in the reveal of the future/past themes
Dude, that's like three of his points. Not even half of them and even through the reveal happens at the end their names are told to you well before it. Basically the theme is in your face the entire game.
The other points are terrible, basically saying that time is linear and thinking that proves time travel.
>basically saying that time is linear and thinking that proves time travel.
You're missing the point. It's not that every character has an arc but that ever character has an arc that has something to do with their past that relates to their future.
That's not something you see often in pokemon which is what makes it stand out. I mean, think of all the other rivals and MCs in the series and tell me how many of them had a backstory that either causes their story or influences them in the future.
The only one is Silver and his backstory wasn't added until HGSS and we don't really see his end result. Every other character is an "in the moment character" that doesn't have a story or future
>ever character has an arc that has something to do with their past that relates to their future.
Yeah that's just time being linear.
That aint a theme bro.
I have no idea how to explain this to you.
It's like your brain just glitches out at the sight of "past and future" as themes and fails to recognise it.
time travel is the red herring and the big twist of indigo disk, dumb dumb. the game being so in your face with time travel is like when clavell claims he was cassiopeia. SV's narrative consistently misdirects you and it always turns out to "not be what it seems." team star not actually being bad, arven not actually a jerk, team star not actually bad guys, clavell not being cassiopeia, ogerpon not actually being an evil ogre.
the logical climax is that the raidon you've been riding on the entire game and the time machine aren't actually from the distant past/future
>the game being so in your face with time travel is like when clavell claims he was cassiopeia.
Are you going to say how? If not then I will.
Clavell being Cassiopia was obvious from the moment he went undercover specifically to learn more about Team Star, you know the team he led.
He was such a strong leader for them in fact that he didn't even know about his own plan Operation Star or that his best friends weren't truants bullying people but actually bullies.
Then there's the way that he expertly hacked your smartphone without knowing what a computer was, only the genius leader behind Team Star could do that.
If you don't get then I'll explain, saying that it isn't time travel despite all of the evidence for it being so blatant is like saying you genuinely believed Clavell was Cassiopia despite the evidence against it being blatant. Both instances require ignoring the evidence right in front of your face so take this shitty argument and shove it up your ass once and for all.
Finally someone on this fricking board who has more than 3 braincells
The game is full of red herrings, "things are not what they seem" is the main theme of the game next to the general "treasure" theme
>things are not what they seem
>Penny isnt just a shy girl, she's the leader of team star
>team star aren't bullies, they were bullied
>Ogerpon wasn't the bad guy, the loyal three were
>Heath's journal wasn't fake like the masses said, everything was real
>the paradox mon aren't illusions, they're just past and futur-
Wait, ignore that last one
>Heath's journal wasn't fake like the masses said, everything was real
We don't know that one yet
>the paradox mon aren't illusions, they're just past and futur-
Other way round, moron
>We don't know that one yet
>you can confirm the herbs exist
>you can confirm the layout of Area Zero
>you can confirm the markings in the cave
>you can confirm the metal plate
>you can confirm the paradoxes
Congrats anon, you were correct. The masses said the journal wasn't real but we can in fact say that everything was not what it seems and that the journal was real!
The fact that your own argument works so well against you only shows how little thought you put into this.
What's even better is that half the time you chucklefricks usually whinge and say
>NONONONO THE PUBLIC SAID THE JOURNAL WAS FAKE SO HEATH LIED!
whenever you hit a corner you just make up an excuse and end up fricking yourself over even more.
It's almost as if there's absolutely no evidence for imagination and you have to use temper tantrums and samegayging to make it look like there are more of you than there actually are.
You can go on multiple websites and see that most people are anti-timetravel.
Your days are numbered timetroon.
Yeah sure, not even the three YouTubers who spread that shit believe in it anymore.
>you can confirm the paradoxes
No you fricking can't
We have literally no proof that Heath actually saw them. That's the exact fricking thing that Arven points out
Besides, I am not an imaginationgay, I'm just stating facts the game provides
t. Atlantischad
>No you fricking can't
Yes, yes you can. You can even catch the paradox pokemon, they're living, breathing pokemon that we as the player can obtain and use.
The paradoxes are very much real.
>That's the exact fricking thing that Arven points out
Ah yeah, you're right, he does point out that they're fake with the lines
>Course, the whole book is full of unbelievable stories, the Herba Mystica being one of them. But they turned out to be real...
>And after everything we saw in Area Zero—well, makes it hard to say it's all nonsense, huh?
>t. Atlantischad
Oh so you're time chad ally?
Or did you not know that one of the many theories is that the AI and time travel technology came from the ancient civilisation?
Or what about Geeta being from the ancient civilisation, using an ancient time machine to come to the present?
You're so disinterested in anything that isn't imagination that you don't even know that people actually discuss how these theories could possibly relate to each other.
>Oh so you're time chad ally?
In a way, yeah
I do think time travel is a possibility, but it wouldn't be million or even billions of years into the past or future. I think the ancient civilization is about 10000 years old. If it really is a time machine, it draws Paradox mons from that time
>Or did you not know that one of the many theories is that the AI and time travel technology came from the ancient civilisation?
Yup
>Or what about Geeta being from the ancient civilisation, using an ancient time machine to come to the present?
I didn't hear that one before actually. Do you want to elaborate? Sounds interesting
>You're so disinterested in anything that isn't imagination that you don't even know that people actually discuss how these theories could possibly relate to each other.
Factually untrue
You're so obsessed with being a contrarian moron that you think everyone disagrees with every single thing you say and do the exact same shit you're trying to accuse me of
Get a fricking grip anon
>In a way, yeah
Then why even argue about this? Whether it's 10000 or millions of years a time machine is a time machine you have no reason to be a part of this.
You're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
>Yup
So much for being one of us.
>I didn't hear that one before actually. Do you want to elaborate?
Similar to the last one but with the AI specifically and it goes hand in hand with the mystery assistant theory with Geeta being the rigid, intellectual rival.
>contrarian
You don't even know what this word means. Here's a tip, if everyone thinks it's time travel and try to reconcile their ideas with time travel then the popular view is time travel. It's impossible to be contrarian if you agree with the most popular view.
But let me guess, you'll probably post one of those bitted polls to say that imagination is popular here.
>he thinks the most popular view is time travel
LMAO
>Then why even argue about this? Whether it's 10000 or millions of years a time machine is a time machine you have no reason to be a part of this.
>You're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
It makes a huge difference anon, because it means that the professor was either lying (especially in Turo's case) or was too crazy to even understand the machine they built
It also means that the Paradoxes are not a result of evolution, but were somehow created or altered by the ancient civilization (which is the core element of my personal take on the Atlantis theory)
It's not about muh time travel, it's about the true origin of the Paradox Pokémon, that's all
>So much for being one of us.
See above
Also frick your "us" shit, this isn't some moronic "us vs them" shit, go leave for your culture wars
>Similar to the last one but with the AI specifically and it goes hand in hand with the mystery assistant theory with Geeta being the rigid, intellectual rival.
Ok yeah, I am familiar, but literally what has that to do with the claim that she's from the ancient civilization?
>Here's a tip, if everyone thinks it's time travel and try to reconcile their ideas with time travel then the popular view is time travel.
Then this fricking thread wouldn't exist
You're one of those people who spent too much time in internet echo chambers and brainwashed himself into thinking "the majority of people agrees with ME and everyone who disagrees is in the minority" because you either have main character syndrome or poisoned your brain with internet algorithms
>It makes a huge difference anon
No it doesn't. The point of contention isn't when they came from but how they came to be. If a time machine was used then the amount of time doesn't matter because a time machine was the reason they exist in the modern day.
>because it means that the professor was either lying
Neither professor gives concrete dates so no.
>it's about the true origin of the Paradox Pokémon, that's all
Glad you agree that the time span itself doesn't matter and only the use of the time machine does.
>this isn't some moronic "us vs them"
I hate to break it to you but it is. Ever since the moronic imagination theory came to be these threads have been nothing but a cesspit of shitposting because they don't want to accept other ideas that go against imagination to the point where they're now just screaming blindly into the wind about schizos that don't exist
>but literally what has that to do with the claim that she's from the ancient civilization?
>Similar to the last one but with the AI specifically
Put it together anon. Tech from another time, a person from another time.
Not that hard.
>Then this fricking thread wouldn't exist
This thread was always going to exist because they're desperate. To be honest it shouldn't even exist because there's no real similarity beyond being a circle, the pattern for the dream catcher isn't even perfectly symmetrical like Terapagos so it's literally just some dumb, ape brain
>UGH UGH ROUND AND LINES LOOK SAME!
bullshit.
>I hate to break it to you but it is.
Stopped reading right there
Frick you and frick your cognitive biases
As if you even know what a cognitive bias even is. Your dumb ass is probably googling it right now.
You should’ve stopped replying to him a while ago.
He does this in every single thread, to the point where I think he makes the threads himself in order to bait people into arguing in circles constantly.
There they go with the boogeyman again.
Haven't had Internet at home in a month but I'm apparently "always" in these threads.
Just admit that you can't handle criticism instead of b***hing all the time.
*spits on your face*
I don’t believe your lies
Yeah, you're right
He's literally just doing this to force people to argue with him without ever coming to a conclusion, him saying "this is literally just an us vs. them thing" all but confirms this
It's not about discussing lore, it's purely about arguing
It's fricking sad, really
Anyway, my theory is that the ancient civilization made Paradox Pokémon by altering the DNA of existing Pokémon (hence the relation of the Raidons to Cyclizar). Heath DID really see the Paradox mons in Area Zero because they were the last surviving remnants of the ancient civilization
The time machine either draws the Pokémon from the time the civilization lived in or doesn't do any time shit and instead does the DNA altering thing
There's several hints towards an ancient civilization, I'm pretty sure there's SOMETHING there even if I'm totally wrong
No offence but that's even more moronic than time travel on its own. Especially when all the machine does is 3d print paradoxes in a way that maintains them rather than Terapagos' normal 200 year half life.
Sounds cool, I like the idea that the "time machine' is using the power of the tera crystals to frick up would be normal pokemon, did you know a large amount paradox pokemon's "original" forms can be found natively in area zero too? There's also the crop circle and big metal tablet we know nothing about.
For me i'm really into the wishes and dreams idea and hope the connection to the dream world is legit, but at this point as long as its not time travel I'm down to clown with whatever, in spite of the shitposting the SV lore is fun to talk about so I don't care about who """wins""" as long as its well written.
>as long as its well written.
Define well written.
That's a weird question, I guess if it's concise and wraps up all the plotlines in a satisfying manner on top of being fun to talk about, if there's some big twist that was totally alluded to before or something, that'd also be fun,
>Is that so? I don't think that's true but I might be wrong
Oh yeah he's right, Violet has Iron Jugulus and Iron Thorns but Deino and Larvitar are Scarlet exclusive.
I don't really know if version exclusives are "canon" though, plus you can always get version exlcusive pokemon from raids anyways.
If they were artificial creations the machine wouldn't be able to pump them out from the past and they'd be way more rarer.
>or doesn't do any time shit and instead does the DNA altering thing
This doesn't really work either sure most of the originals can be found in Area Zero but some are based on version exclusives from other games. How can it alter things that don't exist?
Yeah like the other anon said it's pretty obviously a single dude continuously trying to get people to fight while complaining about "them" which in turn gets more people to fight, he did it here too
.
We can't talk about the lore as long as he's around.
Anon, you know one of the replies to that post was this, right?
>There literally isn't anything to discuss about any other theory. The game goes out of it's way to make everything that could be assumed to be the result of time travel be of questionable authenticity (Paradox Pokemon are actually from occult magazines, the "time machine" just makes shit appear in Pokeballs instead and is never used in any provable way to actually travel through time, and all theming around Tera crystals effectively ignores the concept of time travel but heavily revolves around dreams and wishes).
He then goes on to get information about Ogerpon's unique terastalization wrong.
This guy you're pointing out, assuming it is one person, isn't the issue here.
>Paradox Pokemon are actually from occult magazines
I think this is the argument I hate the most. I mean, the order you do things in a story is important conveying different things when you do them.
With all of the Occulture books about the obtainable paradoxes being obtainable before the paradoxes themselves it acts as a red herring.
If they were found after then they could be used to cast doubt on their existence.
It's also impossible because Occulture is based on Heath's book, not the other way round
Occulture was written recently, the book is 200 years old
No idea how people even came to the conclusion that Occulture is the origin
>Especially when all the machine does is 3d print paradoxes
What? That's not what I fricking said, I said it does DNA manipulation
Nothing is being "printed", it's taking existing Pokémon and alters them
>did you know a large amount paradox pokemon's "original" forms can be found natively in area zero too? There's also the crop circle and big metal tablet we know nothing about.
Yeah exactly. Not all though, like Iron Bundle, but still
The big metal tablet is also definitely a HUGE pointer towards ancient civ with hyperadvanced tech in my opinion. A mysterious metal plate that cannot even be SCRATCHED by modern technology? That's some Atlantis shit
There's also tons of ruins everwhere in Paldea, plus a few parts of the game that mentions things from 10000 years ago
>but some are based on version exclusives from other games
Is that so? I don't think that's true but I might be wrong, it's too late for me to look it up now tbh kek
>I don't think that's true but I might be wrong, it's too late for me to look it up now tbh kek
I can tell you now that Salamence is found in Violet but Roaring Moon is in Scarlet.
Hydreigon is also in Scarlet while Jugulus is in Violet.
I see, interesting
That makes me think that there could be parallel universe frickery involved or something
Well then who fricking asked you? Shut the frick up and read up on what "theory" means
Also it's fricking obvious that you're the same moron who defended time travel earlier, at least try changing up your writing style a bit if you wanna falseflag
>Shut the frick up and read up on what "theory" means
A theory doesn't mean make shit up from thin air.
>Also it's fricking obvious that you're the same moron who defended time travel earlier
Are you stupid? For starters time travel is the most boring trope in the world.
Second, YOU'RE defending time travel.
>A theory doesn't mean make shit up from thin air.
As much as I hate to agree with imaginationgay, he's right this time. The whole point of a theory is using evidence to come to a conclusion, it's not just headcanon out of the blue.
>Also it's fricking obvious that you're the same moron who defended time travel earlier
As if. I'm watching the fireworks.
Don't say I didn't warn you.
>What? That's not what I fricking said, I said it does DNA manipulation
Illiterate time troony, I'm not saying that's what you're saying, I'm saying that's what it does in game.
If it just altered shit or brought an altered on from the past then it wouldn't be able to infinitely produce paradox pokemon.
Don't make up dumbass theories without thinking.
It wouodn’t, which is why the Tera Orbs were actually created to gather ambient Tera Energy, which is why it stops ‘making’ Tera Crowns after a certain bit. It’s not ‘out’ of Tera Energy, it’s the opposite, it’s full, and needs to be emptied from the orb into some device installed by the league, on Sada’s/Turo’s backers orders, which must channel it down into Area Zero, where it’s then utilized to continue the process of making Paradox Pokemon, as long as it is online.
It’s why it was li tied in making two Raidon’s, not enough energy was available in Area Zero to make more ‘energy producers’, living batteries, closer in material to Terrapagos itself. The ‘energy onsumers’, the ‘lesser’ Paradox Pokémon are easier to make because it uses less Tera Energy to create, or alter, them. This is why I also believe it ‘replicates’ not 3D prints, it clones them, basically.
>It’s why it was limited in making two Raidon’s…
Meant to say ‘limited’.
We definitely need to make up a checklist for a timeschizo post.
>needlessly aggressive to bait a response
>calls to question the poster's intelligence
>makes up a rule about the time machine and sticks to it like gospel (also does this with imagination by saying Occulture inspired Turo to make the time machine)
>gives every sentence its own line
>loves his little one line zingers at the end of his posts
The sooner we spot him the sooner we can have normal lore threads.
You know that's like every single post in this thread. Like this
Or this
Or this
I'm just ctrl+fing moron by the way and I'm picking posts at random but the reason why I can do that is because we're on fricking Ganker we swear like sailors and call each other morons, homosexuals and Black folk all the time.
You dumbass, you're just going to tell him how to avoid detection.
At this point I'd prefer for him to mix it up instead of having the like 15th thread where people talk in circles over the same shit people have discussed to death since the game first came out. Seriously, we had a whole other DLC drop but notice how the thread is mostly just talking about stuff regarding the base game, the connection to the dream world is fricking huge and what the thread should've been about but instead the posts are still talking about the fricking base game plot entirely because of this moron.
If we need to suffer this dude until DLC2 kills him he should at least get new bait.
>Seriously, we had a whole other DLC drop but notice how the thread is mostly just talking about stuff regarding the base game
Uh... everyone has been talking about the dlc and even Terapagos in the anime. We only go back to the main game if someone brings up imagination.
Not that there's really much to talk about.
I mean we've already discussed to death about how Momo could have been the thing manipulating the professor because it's presumably affecting Kieran in a similar way and how between the pond allowing people to see the dead and the AI as well as the anime that there's some kind of recording/memory ghost capability.
There's not really much left to talk about until the next dlc drops which is why imaginationschizo leaves bait everywhere.
Lore thread downtime is basically prime time to act like a demented toddler, the worst part is that he's
>but notice how the thread is mostly just talking about stuff regarding the base game
Well yeah, it's not like SS where each dlc was a separate story, it's one big story. A reveal in the dlc changes how we see things in the base game so it'll always come back to that.
>the worst part is that he's
Playing both sides and people are falling for it*
> A reveal in the dlc changes how we see things in the base game so it'll always come back to that.
That's the thing though, we're not even discussing the base game in a new context, it's literally the same arguments about the same topics that take nothing from the DLC into account at all. Dokutaro influencing the professor? The effects of a wish on the psyche? The possiblity of a dream world? Nope, none of that, we need to argue about if Occulture influenced Turo for the 50th time, or even what the frick the theming for the game is.
>Dokutaro influencing the professor? The effects of a wish on the psyche? The possiblity of a dream world?
Watch him sperg out about how these are "made up from thin air" and have "no proof whatsoever" cause they are "baseless headcanons"
>Dokutaro influencing the professor?
We talk about that all the time to the point where there's a theory that Momo put the idea of time travel in their head. Because one of the current mysteries is why they thought they needed a time machine.
>The effects of a wish on the psyche?
Interesting angle but no one who wants to discuss anything seriously wants to actually touch wishing with a ten foot pole both because of imaginationgay popping a blood vessel any time someone brings it up as you can see.
Plus low tier reality warping is just narratively boring and the fix all button of it just hangs over everthing.
>The possiblity of a dream world?
Eh, kind of in the same vein as the last one but no one really started bringing it up until yesterday.
> Because one of the current mysteries is why they thought they needed a time machine.
No it's not...that's one of the topic timeschizo keeps steering the discussion to though, curious...
>Plus low tier reality warping is just narratively boring and the fix all button of it just hangs over everthing.
Funny...that's one of the reasons timeschizo hates imagination theory....
Hmmm.....
Are you really that against lore threads that you have to make up a "timeschizo"?
So there's a notorious "imaginationgay" but the timeschizo is made up? Hmmmm..........
An anti-time travel pasta appeared on the soijak wiki a while back, it wouldn't surprise me if imaginationgay was one of them all along. His posting style definitely matches.
>Funny...that's one of the reasons timeschizo hates imagination theory....
That's why everyone hates the imagination theory. Reality warping and wishes in stories that aren't explicitly designed around it just end up being abysmal shlock.
we're already getting canonical wishes in SV with dokutaro, the only thing left to see is how it plays out
I mean, technically?
Toxic chains seem more like drugs than anything else.
yeah but a drug that specifically changes the body into what you desire? otherwise fezandipiti and munkidori would've gotten big muscles like okidogi if it's a typical drug that only does one thing. but instead the chains were tailored to whatever the loyal 3 wanted most
>yeah but a drug that specifically changes the body into what you desire?
Well, yeah. Steroids and botox work for Okidogi and Fezandipiti since they wanted to be strong and beautiful but for Munkidori I've got nothing, maybe some kind of brain tonic?
That or gf likes fallout.
or, you know, its due to the wish like anon said. see
>Eh, kind of in the same vein as the last one but no one really started bringing it up until yesterday.
I think what really kickstarted it was the terapagos figure having images being posted and someone made the connection it looked like a dreamcatcher because no one thought to look at terapagos from a birds eye view
>because no one thought to look at terapagos from a birds eye view
Colour me shocked terminally-online manchildren have never seen enough images or videos of real-life turtles to glean enough context clues to determine what a bird's eye view of a pokémon turtle could look like like, even with other examples to inform them and the knowledge its shell seemed to be comprised of a multitude of geometric shapes which each displayed a type symbol.
Someone already tried that angle with squirtle.
>You're one of those people who spent too much time in internet echo chambers and brainwashed himself into thinking "the majority of people agrees with ME and everyone who disagrees is in the minority"
Says the person who currently seething because other viewpoints are being presented to him.
Keep in mind, I have no real issue with the theory itself, well aside from the lack of actual discussion material, it's the people.
It's like, walking past a bunch of special needs kids when their wranglers decide they need a walk, you know they can't help being literally moronic but it still annoys you that they're allowed to honk and holler in public and be a general nuisance to people.
>>the paradox mon aren't illusions, they're just past and futur-
>Other way round, moron
Okay, so let me get this straight;
Because the game said the paradoxes were fake by virtue of saying the Scarlet/Violet books were fake and then showed the player that not everything is as it seems by revealing they were real, that means that they're going to be revealed as fake later on which would mean that everything was as it seemed in the first place?
I hope this makes you realise just how insane you sound.
The game constantly points out that something about the PARADOX(!) Pokémon doesn't quite add up
I'm not saying they are a product of imagination or whatever, I'm saying that the game itself casts lots of doubt on the claim that these Pokémon are actually from the past or future
That's all I'm gonna say, if you can't figure this shit out you are terribly media illiterate
>The game constantly points out that something about the PARADOX
No, it really doesn't.
The only thing that comes close to that is Arven at the end when he says
>Wait, hold on... Isn't my mom's/dad's time machine the whole reason the ancient/future Pokémon ended up here in the first place? This book is from way before she/he made the time machine, but it mentions ancient/future Pokémon. Isn't that kinda...weird? ... ... ..."
But that's not about the pokemon in the way you think it is. You think it's saying that their existence in general is weird but what it's really saying is that their APPEARANCE 200 years ago is weird.
And that's it. That's all the doubt cast on the paradox pokemon in game.
The Way Home is all about how the paradoxes are real and even confirms a genetic relation with Koraidon and Miraidon and Cyclizar something that would be impossible if they were fakes.
Did you not read the Pokédex entries?
>Sightings of this Pokémon have occurred in recent years. The name Great Tusk was taken from a creature listed in a certain book.
>There has been only one reported sighting of this Pokémon. It resembles a mysterious creature depicted in an old expedition journal.
>It is possible that the creature listed as Brute Bonnet in a certain book could actually be this Pokémon.
>This Pokémon has characteristics similar to those of Flutter Mane, a creature mentioned in a certain book.
>This mysterious Pokémon has some similarities to a creature that an old book introduced as Slither Wing.
>No records exist of this Pokémon being caught. Data is lacking, but the Pokémon’s traits match up with a creature shown in an expedition journal.
>Sightings of this Pokémon have occurred in recent years. It resembles a mysterious object described in an old expedition journal.
>It resembles a mysterious object mentioned in an old book. There are only two reported sightings of this Pokémon.
>This Pokémon shares many similarities with Iron Hands, an object mentioned in a certain expedition journal.
>It's possible that Iron Jugulis, an object described in an old book, may actually be this Pokémon.
>No records exist of this species being caught. Data is lacking, but the Pokémon's traits match up with an object described in an old book.
>Some of its notable features match those of an object named within a certain expedition journal as Iron Thorns.
Do you not notice how everything is vague and full of doubt?
>treated like a cryptid with one or two "reported sightings" like they're fricking Bigfoot
>all entries that is only vaguely matches with the creatures described in the Scarlet/Violet Book
>not a single entry mentions the past or future at all
>lots of entries mentioning lack of data
The game fully treats them as cryptids, the only person who doesn't do that is the professor who is fricking insane
>Do you not notice how everything is vague and full of doubt?
Anon, the whole point of that is not spoiling the game. You can unlock the dex entries before you reach The Way Home which says everything about them.
Do you think that a mystery just always has to mean doubt or something?
>The game fully treats them as cryptids
Anon, if they were treated like cryptids you would see a bunch of people in game actually searching for them like people do with cryptids.
>cryptids aren’t cryptids unless people are searching for them
>cryptid: an animal whose existence or survival to the present day is disputed or unsubstantiated; any animal of interest to a cryptozoologist
Occulture also seems like a bunch of cryptozoologists
The twist was time travel.
This is a game made for kids, not a M. Night Shyamalan film.
This. Manchildren need to pull their fricking necks in and start accepting these are kids' games, thus aren't going to pull shitty plot-twists like "lol, all that foreshadowing we spent a game and most of a rehash laying out wuz a red hering, lulzerz". They WANT kids to understand the story, thus aren't going to pull ay moron-tier bait'n'switches with it.
>Things happening in the past affect the future so this proves time travel
Is that legitimately your argument?
It's clear you're trying to do the thing that other anon did by "analysing" the theme of the game but you're failing because you have no media literacy so you just point at the concept of linear time and claim it's a theme.
Anyway it's 1am over here and I have work tommorow, see you in the next thread.
I'm surprised you can even comprehend time. Well, it's 1am for you so I doubt it.
NTA but his argument isn't that characters change but that the past and future of the characters plays an important role in the story.
If you look at May/Brendan, everything they have is just all there. You don't know who they were before you moved to littleroot and they don't have a future to aspire to.
In SV their pasts that you don't have anything to do with and weren't there to see come up as important plot elements that influence their goals.
It's not that hard to understand.
>Nemona's future Rival
>Arven's accident in the the past that injured Mabosstiff
>team star's past and their future as training centers
Wow things happen in the past and continue happening in the future, what a great thematic throughline.
it's powersoucegay again
>No reply
Wow it's almost like time travel only really makes sense when you look at it separatly from everything else in the game.
Ever heard of the philosopher's stone?
A treasure of alchemy?
A stone or or crystal with the power to change elements?
Sound familiar? Like changing types for instance?
The markings in Area Zero also have a similarity to the squared circle. Which is a symbol in alchemy representing the stone.
>With imagination everything about it just happens passively
said no one ever. and it's imagination/dream manifestation btw. terapagos is a dreamcatcher. it catches a person's dreams
>said no one ever.
The frick? That's all imaginationgays say. No one except for Heath has come into contact with Terapagos, only the massive crystals it made at the bottom of Area Zero.
Timetrannies genuinely believe that Terapagos is just a battery kek.
You have no understanding of settup and payoff.
Imaginationgays remind me of Zodiacgays all too well.
You dig up so much shit, stretch your theory like a gay man stretches their ass, and make threads like these where you speculate what inspired the devs that couldn’t be bother to test Tera Raid from crashing their game.
Of course there is one hole you both like to ignore that is actually massive and ultimately disproves the theory.
For Zodiac theory it was Cyndaquil/Fennekin not aligning with the Zodiac all too well, and for Imagination theory it’s multiple NPCs, important ones too including the professor, and GameFreak themselves Paradox Pokemon are from the past/future.
Of course you just dismiss this and sweep it under the rug.
However when Gen 9 came around and showed that Fuecoco did not resemble anything on the Zodiac, it was the end of that theory.
Seems like history is just repeating itself.
>he genuinely still believes it's time travel
The more you’re in denial, the more painful it’ll be when DLC comes out and there is literally nothing.
It’s hit about as hard as when Zodiacgays were claiming Fuecoco would become Chicken or Dragon or Snake or Bull or even a fricking Horse.
3:17, the trailer bro. indigo disk will answer what happened during heath's expedition
>It shows all the pages
>Except the ones with paradoxes
Uh...Sisters what does this mean...
I just wanted to say you time travel gays were ALWAYS moronic for ignoring the obvious evidence in the games. But I'm not surprised that they can't understand a game for actual babies.
>for ignoring the obvious evidence in the games
To this day no one has presented evidence for imagination.
Time travel has the game's story and several design elements.
Atlantis has datamining and Paldea's history with different civilizations.
Alchemy has changing types and stones being a source of immense power
To top it off none of these things contradict each other.
Imagination goes against all of them and requires a lot of misinterpretation, ignorance and a general lack of common sense and literary understand to "make sense" hence why no one can post anything in favor of imagination that can't be argued like the other three.
bro terapagos is literally a dreamcatcher
I get you're programmed to say specific responses but can your owner at least try?
bro. terapagos. is. literally. a. dreamcatcher.
No, no it isn't.
See
It doesn't even look like a dream catcher other than being a circle.
You know what it really looks like? A fricking disc.
it looks like a dreamcatcher. you're the blind one, cope
It has the string pattern with a bead in the middle and the feathers at the bottom
>it’s a disc because it’s a circle
Haw haw haw
>It has the string pattern
Those are scutes, it's a turtle you dumbass. Squirtle has them too in a similar hexagonal pattern but you're not going to try and say that it's a dream catcher are you?
>with a bead in the middle
There's no bead in it.
>and the feathers at the bottom
That's hair, not feathers.
Like the hair on a minogame.
From the story of Urashima Taro.
About time displaced fisherman.
How are you people this fricking stupid.
>it’s a turtle
And? It looks like a dreamcatcher.
Oh wait I see, you think I’m the anon who said it’s “literally” a dreamcatcher.
Of course it’s not an actual dreamcatcher, but it resembles one well enough regardless of it being a turtle.
It literally doesn't fricking matter.
Rude
OH SHIT TORKAL HAS A "BEAD" HEXAGONS AND CAN PRODUCE SMOKE THAT CAN MAKE PEOPLE FALL ALSEEP I ENCLOSED AREAS DREAMS CONFIRMED!!!
TERAPAGOS IS TORKOAL'S BROTHER!
>AND CAN PRODUCE SMOKE THAT CAN MAKE PEOPLE FALL ALSEEP I ENCLOSED AREAS
This
My theory is tera crystals are data or literal memory storages. Hell it even ties into TMs being like CDs too
cope
You know, posting your own caps saying every other theory that isn't imagination is wrong isn't evidence.
Evidence is something tangible in game or in the data.
The AI says time travel, that's evidence for time travel.
Area Zero is named atlantis in the data, that's evidence for an ancient civilization.
One of the effects of Terapagos' crystals is changing types like a philosopher's stone can change elements.
We haven't seen a single instance of thought manifestation or wish granting in game or anything remotely close to that, and no, your opinion doesn't count for anything because half the time you guys can't even comprehend basic English.
>team star is the bad guys, I must believe they're the bad guys until the game spells it out that they aren't the bad guys lmao
>clavell said he's cassiopeia I must've believed him at first because the game said so, not allowed to doubt him at all lmao
>the game said ogerpon was evil at first not allowed to theorycraft she was good all along until the game says so lmao
FRICKING KNEW IT
THE DREAMWORLD SHIT IS ALL COMING TOGETHER
There's just no way people are falling for GF's red herring with all this time travel stuff.
Time travel is way too detailed to be a simple red herring. Erasing it from the equation basically rewrites the entire game and even removes motivations and reasons for things working out the way they do.
Arven's lines at the end definitely wouldn't make sense unless it's time travel because he's alluding to a time paradox.
Koraidon and Miraidon's names wouldn't make sense.
Heath having accurate Donphan sketches and pictures wouldn't make sense.
>Arven's lines at the end definitely wouldn't make sense unless it's time travel because he's alluding to a time paradox.
he's alluding to the fact Indigo Disk will answer the biggest mystery of what exactly happened during Heath's expedition and time travel generally not making sense
>Koraidon and Miraidon's names wouldn't make sense.
the professor thought koraidon/miraidon were from the past/future and named them that way, not realizing the actual truth
>Heath having accurate Donphan sketches and pictures wouldn't make sense.
the professor and Occulture were the ones that took inspiration from the Donphan sketches and pictures in the first place. then the professor added the "dinosaur from the past/robot from the future" angle out of their own volition because Heath never mentioned anything about time travel.
>he's alluding to the fact Indigo Disk will answer the biggest mystery of what exactly happened during Heath's expedition
Yeah, and it involves a time paradox, the thing that he alludes to when he says
>Wait, hold on... Isn't my mom's/dad's time machine the whole reason the ancient/future Pokémon ended up here in the first place? This book is from way before she/he made the time machine, but it mentions ancient/future Pokémon.
He's describing a time loop.
>and time travel generally not making sense
People tend to use Arven's line where he says "it's weird" but he also says
>Course, the whole book is full of unbelievable stories, the Herba Mystica being one of them. But they turned out to be real...
>And after everything we saw in Area Zero—well, makes it hard to say it's all nonsense, huh?
>the professor thought koraidon/miraidon were from the past/future and named them that way, not realizing the actual truth
Anon, this goes beyond the story of the game, those pokemon will always be known as Koraidon and Miraidon. Their names won't change in future appearances.
>the professor and Occulture were the ones that took inspiration from the Donphan sketches and pictures in the first place
That's the completely wrong point. If it was a dreams to life deal Heath wouldn't have dreamed up any of them to see or capture on film and they wouldn't have such a uniform theme. Not to mention they heard them before they saw them as it is.
I won’t disagree it would alter motivations, but as for:
>Arven's lines at the end definitely wouldn't make sense unless it's time travel because he's alluding to a time paradox.
Arven isn’t foreshadowing anything, despite both sides that push this narrative. All Arven is stating is that it *should* be impossible for Paradox Pokemon to have existed in the past. Whether it is time travel or not is irrelevant, because it will likely be revealed going forward. But it’s not foreshadowing any planned event is going to occur.
>Koraidon and Miraidon's names wouldn't make sense.
This would only be applicable if the Professor didn’t actually believe it was Time Travel, but as it is what they believe is happening, it doesn’t actually matter.
>Heath having accurate Donphan sketches and pictures wouldn't make sense
How? This would only be applicable if time travel was the reason for the Paradox Pokemon being in the past, but considering we have other possible methods beyond it, this is also not an issue.
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>If time travel isn't real how I can do things in the past, checkmate
Bait so bad it's not even worth a you
I never understood this whole
>LOL NOT GIVING YOU A YOU, IT'S JUST BAIT!
shtick
You're basically saying that he wins because you can't actually argue against him.
Is it like a zoomer thing I'm not dumb enough to understand? Because I remember before (You)s were added and no one got this butthurt about being wrong.
Resident timegay having a melty again I see
I refuse to believe he isn’t baiting at this point
He's on his last leg, everyone in the fanbase stopped believing it was time travel by this point but he just has to be contrarian all the way to the end.
Heath never lied since Dokutaro + Teragaporos spawned paradox mons
wow even Ieddit agrees en masse it’s got to do with dreams
>search thread
>literally all of the imaginationgay images and non arguments are posted in there
Jesus fricking Christ, I knew this shit had to come from reddit.
some Iedditgay stole it from the terapagos thread earlier, check the times
/vp/ imaginationchads came up with it first
In other words, imaginationgay is a redditor.
yes Iedditors are stealing ideas from /vp/ imaginationchads
seethe more timecuck your TIME is ticking you have always been a vocal minority everywhere on the internet
I'm looking through that thread and not one person actually provided evidence for imagination.
One guy even said he used to doubt it and mounting evidence changed his mind but there is none.
'Cause there's never been any and to make imagination theory work, you need to discredit the actual in-game evidence and imagine it all works without the game backing it up.
You're really trying way too hard to stir shit dude
Try being more subtle next time
I'm glad that I'm living rent free in your head but ever since this post
You know the one you were too afraid to reply to, I've been playing Taiko.
Unlike you I don't spend 24/7 here.
I’m glad more people are catching onto the one timegays bullshit
>I had no internet for a month!
Fricking lol, get a life
>telling people to get a life
>has been in this thread for almost a day
Kek
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