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>were such terrible unpopular designs that it caused game freak to permanently change their starter design philosophy
Seething much eh? This is your fourth thread anon. It’s almost like your shitty meme isn’t catching on and you’re getting desperate. People overwhelmingly think these are good, especially in comparison to most subsequent starters. It isn’t 2010 leak season anymore.
As shitty as emboar/samurott might be they are still miles better than modern garbage
not really
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>573 votes
Literal who poll lmfao
>posts a compilation of polls where the only competition a Pokemon has is with other Pokemon from its region rather than the entire Pokedex
>cope
What's utterly hilarious about this poll is how it proves almost nobody even likes the water starters period aside from Greninja
Their rankings are dogshit compared to Fire and Grass
I'm sure many of us already intuitively understood this but of course watergays would have us believe otherwise
And even then, I guarantee you Greninja would have lost if it had more competition, it and Sylveon are quite literally the only Gen 6 Pokemon the average person gives a frick about compared to all the other regions, which have plenty of Pokemon people give a frick about due to there being a higher count of Pokemon.
>nobody likes water
>fire is for kids
grasschads win as usual
Watergays have it rough nowadays. Even fire-type Rillaboom is more marketable than the duck
>Rillaboom
>Marketable
Whut
in contrast to gay duck yeah
that's how bad it is: you seriously have to wonder the result of a popularity poll between it and chesnaught
votes
Wow Samurott is actually quite popular!
But if you turn that thought around on its head, you can also see in that poll (and others), grass and fire starters have the big flops while water starters are almost always at least moderately popular. That's not a bad look for water starters, compared to how /vp/ likes to push the idea that water starters are just the worst.
Damn, Kalos is pretty popular.
>Unova starters were so bad that picrel was the most popular unovamon
Pretty based if the starters weren't this dogshit my bro chandelure wouldn't be so much popular
zoroark being a failed shillmon was the best thing to happen to the unovadex because it allowed all of the new mons to gather support organically and the cream rose to the top
this dumbass edgy overpowered objectmon is part of the trend of ghost types no longer being ghosts and lazy objects being accepted as "pokemon"
>p-possessions and hauntings of physical objects isn't ghostly because... it just ISN'T, okay???
But they're where the modern design philosophy began.
>European royalty
>Chinese warlord
>Japanese samurai
All three have human elements
So do Gens 3 and 4. It’s Gen 6 when the human themes hijacked the animal inspiration completely changing their bodies.
Blaziken is from gen 6?
Chickens are bipedal. Pangolins, Foxes, and Frogs are not, with those moms looking even more like a human than Blazekin does.
>pangolins are not bipedal
based moron
Fine, I’m a moron. You’re out of your fricking mind by that standard.
>hurff dee durr
>Chickens are bipedal
They also don’t have humanoid arms. What’s your point?
Blazekin’s arms are less humanoid than Delphox’s
Delphox’s forelimbs are far more like a fox’s than Blaziken’s are like a chicken’s.
But we’re talking about how humanoid they are. Delphox’s arms are much more human like.
>it eats with its hands so it’s totally a permanent biped like chesnaught
Nope
>But we’re talking about how humanoid they are
Yes and Blaziken is the most humanoid starter in the franchise as
proved.
With proportions, it’s on par with Delphox and later, but its actual body parts are more different. Like we were just discussing before you shifted, its arms are less human like than Delphox’s, Incineroar’s, and Cinderace’s. Among other parts.
>With proportions, it’s on par with Delphox and later
No. Delphox just looks like a fox standing up. Greninja just looks like a frog standing up. Blaziken has literal human proportions that don’t even remotely resemble an actual chicken.
that image is falsified
how
Because it ruins his narrative
Explain how Blaziken's arms aren't humanoid without pointing and saying "this other one does it!"
Arms being humanoid is a spectrum, moron. I thought this whole discussion was talking about which was MORE humanoid?
As for determining which's more humanoid, both match the proportions of that of a human, but that's about it for Blaziken. Delphox's animate like a human swirling a mon, while the closest Blazekin does is punch kinda like a human, but mostly swipes with his claws, which humans don't do. Delphox's also has four fingers without much detail, which allows it to hold a stick like a human, while zooming in and isolating Blaziken's claws make them just seem like a generic monster where it's hard to tell what exactly it is. Delphox's also happen to be way more stylized fur in the shape of witch's rags in a WAY more obvious way than Blaziken's ""bandages"" that just look like the same lines on chicken feet.
May I conclude by saying this is very nitpick to begin with, as they are both relatively humanoid, but you asked which one is technically closer to looking like a human specifically in the arm department, so here you got me hyper-analyzing.
>mon
wand*, apologies
Very well sustained and well reasoned anon. Even though I disagreed, I enjoyed reading this and now I have to consolidate my thoughts.
You're just finding any excuse to say Blaziken "doesn't count"
It does, but it count’s less.
Empoleon is literally a french emperor
What's with the starter war spam lately? Are kids bored today?
Pokemon content drought, people are desperate for meaningful new content and now that the Palworld fad is dead, we've gone back to infighting over matters like starters, generations and anime seasons/iterations.
This will continue until we get enough fuel to last us maybe two weeks at best when the next mainline game is announced on Pokemon Day.
Damn, did Palworld died off already? It was only yesterday that anons were spamming that shit here while shitting on Pokemon 24/7.
Yup, the dropoff happened not too long ago because people naturally played all the game had to offer in its early access state. Palworld on average can now only really pull around the 500k-700k range.
still #2 game worldwide on Steam for now
Yup, "for now."
It's gonna need to be able to churn out constant big updates if it wants to maintain those huge numbers though, or eventually everyone's going to run out of things to do.
That's what happens when you finish a game
and if you don't like that, Pokemon games die 2 days after launch on /vp/ and about 1 week after launch in game if you play em. the rest of threads? Take a wild guess.
some guy keeps getting btfo so he makes new threads to hide in, where he gets btfo all over again
Serperior is 10/10 and the only bad thing about it is that it's actually really really small so is simply a fan interpretation...
the BW2 trailer shows Serperior is decent sized, nowhere near "really really small"
Pokemon are always ridiculously oversized in the animation compared to the actual game
Mechanically BW Serperior was horrendous and nigh unforgivable, although really GayFreak already had a track record of unusable mono-Grass starters. The design itself is passable at worst and that's what makes it's debut unviability even more insulting.
Samurott has clearly been fixed by its Hisuian form so it was obviously a color and shape issue.
Emboar was an okay idea broken down into its composite parts with awful execution that appeals to nobody.
blaziken denial is so funny every time
>all literally humans
wow fire type was a mistake
Im convinced Fire and Fighting are the shonentard types
that almost goes without saying
grass is for seinenchads
*shojogays
ftfy
Inteleon exists
should have used an american woman for emboar
can't help but notice the maker of this only has Blaziken's arms fully-raised
almost as if it's literally rigged
That's just the default pose Creatures modeled each design with, and Infernape's arms are T-Posed as well
its legs aren't
This thread is shit and I claim it for people who love the Gen 5 starters. Emboar is my favorite, he's so cute and I like his moveset
>I like his moveset
it's the least they could have done for it
really can chalk it up to powercreep
Sexo
bandanas sexo
>permanently changed
They were literally the ones who started the design philosophy
Serperior is the girl, Emboar is muscular, and Samurott is cool
The only difference is that future gens leaned way more into these archetypes, Delphox is way more of a girl and Greninja tries way harder to appear cool and edgy
anon we literally have confirmed interviews that snivy/serperior was the cool starter and oshawott/samurott were intended as a "den mother" (mediator) for the other two
Clearly they failed.
Not entirely.
Mediator how? I don't get it
http://web.archive.org/web/20151022192841/http://contests-club.1up.com/news/how-pokemon-get-made
>A lot of thought goes into the starter Pokemon and their respective roles, as you'd expect. "Out of the first three Pokemon, we eventually decided that Tsutaja [the Grass type] would be the 'cool' one and Mijumaru [the Water type] would be the 'cute' one," Lee said. "Pokabu wound up being more of the 'sidekick' sort -- clumsy but lovable. He gradually evolves and matures into something a lot more reliable as you play, so it makes the effort to raise him seem pretty worth it, I think."
>As for Mijumaru and his evolutions, designer Yusuke Ohmura decided to make him the 'den mother' figure looking over the other two starters.
>"I envisioned something that could get in between those two and stop them whenever they got in a fight," he said.
Now, this makes sense in paper
In practice its fricking terrible
Huh. Don't know why, but I'd picture the opposite, like Serperior and Samurott would be the ones clashing
Part of it is that for all the design elements that I don’t like on Emboar, he has an earnest and friendly face, whereas Serperior is smug and Samurott is dour.
I think that's my favorite thing about him. He looks like such a nice guy
I like them for looking animalistic and having variety in body types. Gens 6 and 8 just made EVERHTHING bipedal, eliminating choice on that front.
>I like them because they’re all shitty
I prefer them way more than the shit we got in Gen 7 and 8.
Galar has the worst starters if your not stuck in the early 2010s. Not even Niantic would release those abominations before Hisui and Paldea.
Insane they skipped these and not Unova's and Sinnoh's
Everything leading up to the release of SwSh was awful. It was like the perfect storm for all the hate it got, everything was shit. Graphics, cut features, starters, terrible company statements, etc.
It's crazy to think that everything that could have gone wrong, went wrong.
>Galar has the worst starters if your not stuck in the early 2010s
Which one of the Galar starters can't use its own weapons properly and which one is an obese neckbeard with terrible proportions?
>M-muh made up issues that don't exist to the audience that matters!
Cope Galarcuck no one likes your ugly starters
>>M-muh made up issues that don't exist
but enough about the people who whine about gen 8's starters
>can use weapons properly
>isn't an obese neckbeard
nope
>can use weapons properly
Can't without looking really stupid, so:
No.
It looks perfectly fine, schizo.
>it would be likeable if instead of a monster it was a generic recolored animal
Play a different series.
>Play a different series
I'll play gen V instead
same thing
I take everything back
BRING ME BACK TO GEN 5
I HATE THIS TIMELINE
>drum stuck on back
>sticks stuck in arms
>they have to magically grow and shrink
>has to just stand there with that clunky drumset
>"fine"
no it doesn't
>schizo
No u, it's literally the same argument you use to shit on Samurott
When did starters turn from something you adored and bought the game for to something you couldn't wait to shelf as fast as humanly possible?
When you became an old man who fails to cope with changing art styles
Kalos
I wouldn't agree with that.
t. furry
Rilla would be more likable without the stupid inflatable drum magically attached to its back for no reason.
Without the drum, then you just have another generic grass monkey, of which there are two others between the Pansage line and Zarude.
I just assume he keeps it tangled up in his mane
I saw a fakemon version that made his chest the drum and I have no idea how that random design was better than what we got
Rillaboom
>The only trio not put in GO yet
>The only trio not used by any npc in the SV DLC
Call me a conspiracygay here.
One of these frickers is getting a regional variant. Mark my words
American Football Cinderace with new ability called "Handegg"
FBI Glowie Inteleon Water/Psychic with new ability called "Psy-Ops"
Rillaboom looks the same
I distinctly remember Samurott toy shelfwarming at my local toy store for like long years back then, so I do believe they failed to click with kids.
last time where all the 3 starters were kino
only trannies or homosexuals get filtered
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>last time where all the 3 starters were kino
Only the royal snake was kino
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH LOOK OUT EVERYBODY IT'S A MONSTER
What the frick is the point of this moronic debate, obviously Blaziken is humanoid, there is a huge difference between the first 2/3 fire starters being humanoid and the first 7/8 fire starters being humanoid you massive morons.
We also talk about the design philosophy but never how due to it starter pokemon are have OP feats and abilities they're species can casually do
It's funny. Gens 1-4 all had really solid starter trios, where even the least good design was still really good. Charmander is my least favourite Kanto starter but he isn't bad, just a bit weak next to Squirtle and Bulbasaur. Same with Totodile, Treecko and Chimchar. The 3rd place award is still 3rd place from 3 top-tier designs.
Then Gen 5 comes along and completely shits the bed with starters.
>Snivy is OK I guess but far from a knockout
>Tepig isn't too bad, but still pretty weak
>Oshawott and Dewott are actually alright but Samurott completely drops the ball, looking nothing like his predecessors and frankly being an eyesore (and not even having the Blastoise excuse of being designed as part of a separate line first).
And ever since Gen 5 there's always been a "loser" out of the starters. Gen 6 had Greninja with its grotesque tongue scarf. Gen 7 had Incineroar, which embodies every problem people have with anthromons. Gen 8 had Rillaboom, who to be fair isn't horrendous but is forgettable. And Gen 9...well, frankly Gen 9's starters were terrible all around (Meowscarada is cute but is trying too hard for the furry audience) but Quaquaval is the absolute nadir of starter design, possibly beating Samurott and Greninja for the worst ever.
It's an issue specific to starters too; overall 'dex quality has remained mostly consistent (5 had some stinkers but also really cool designs like Galvantula) but starters have absolutely nosedived in quality since Unova.