The Ratskins have found somewhere safe and comfortable and are leaving the stupid violent people to die in stupid and violent ways, don’t force them to leave their dark age of technology living quarters where their entire civilisation is moved to.
>Old Necromunda
Van Saar have better equipment than Imperial Guard, or even Adeptus Astartes, had ever had because their family mafia controls multiple STCs. We're not going to go too deep into it so you can make your own models and rules. >New Necromunda
Van Saar have better equipment than Imperial Guard, or even Adeptus Astartes, had ever had because their family mafia controls multiple STCs. Since you've been asking for it for nearly 30 years, we'll give you models and rules for it.
FTFY newbie. Read the books before you complain next time.
Frick off you lying c**t. You better have a goddamn page and line reference for Van Saar having a *functional STC system* in OG Necro.
That is just the Van Saar, but their advanced tech is also killing them. The rest are still pretty Mad Max types, though they are all more fleshed out than thirty years ago.
I know, I have all three of the original books across from me now, (Rulebook, Source book and Outlanders), I also have Battles in the Underhive, which was given to me, which was nice.
I enjoyed the state it was in but I wouldn't say there was no room for improvement. Not to argue GW has done so, however. I think about the only thing they've done that I like is introduce deflections.
If it's any comfort, a designer for TOW confirmed in a Q&A at a convention earlier this year that GW is not currently working on a revamped Mordheim nor are they currently planning to make a new version. However, he also elaborated that it's not off the table, but it would almost certainly hinge on TOW being successful before they branch out into more niche games set in Warhammer Fantasy. So at minimum a nu-Mordheim is probably a good 5 years away, if not more.
It went from an attempt to recreate hive gang warfare to full on paramilitaries. That can still be done with the current rules and minis don't get me wrong, but it feels like with every new release GW is just trying to make it 40K 2.
larger unit types got added
it seems like they're also moving the status quo and on a larger scale it went from being an example of gang life in the underhives to the top extreme example of gang life in the underhives
some of the kits are cool, part of me hopes the necromundian narrative ends with some sort of small "jump" that gives players the option to play a full army composed by requisitioned necromundian assets
>Old Necromunda
Rich Spire buttholes have better equipment than Imperial Guard, or even Adeptus Astartes, had ever had >Nu Necromunda
A fricking mafia family have better equipment than Imperial Guard, or even Adeptus Astartes, had ever had
Van Saar are more advanced than the Mechanicus and this isn't controversial
This is the millionth time this kind of thread has been made so I'm just going to do the inevitable argument myself
>WHY DID THEY CHANGE
>They already had this
>BUT NOT IN MY SPECIFIC UNDERSTANDING OF NECROMUNDA
this
When did Van Saar ever have these?
is your question "when did van saar have advanced Dark Age of Technology tech" or is it "when did they specifically have this model of mechsuit that came out a few years ago?"
>Old Necromunda
Van Saar have better equipment than Imperial Guard, or even Adeptus Astartes, had ever had because their family mafia controls multiple STCs. We're not going to go too deep into it so you can make your own models and rules. >New Necromunda
Van Saar have better equipment than Imperial Guard, or even Adeptus Astartes, had ever had because their family mafia controls multiple STCs. Since you've been asking for it for nearly 30 years, we'll give you models and rules for it.
FTFY newbie. Read the books before you complain next time.
>Old Van Saar had a reputation for making good high quality goods and being dabbling techies >Nu Van Saar has functioning Darkage STC machines, hyper advanced pre-fall of man tech, are better than the adeptus mechanicus at engineering and technology but somehow havnt been crushed and their tech taken by the AM, are super cool guys with a literal militia of fighters armed with better tech than the Imperial Guard but haven't taken over the hive yet.... >These two are clearly the same
Well it is funny how the head of necromunda forced the van saar and the eshers to build him a slave race, and both the "clans" have access to golden era tech. So they at first, somehow, retro engineered the thunder warrior program and then made it more stable. Which is how we get the goliath in the setting.
A bit different then "we do really nice lasgun handles and belts." of ye old days.
Nucromunda lore yet again. Goliaths were always meatheads built up from steroid use and hard labour. The Spyres were the only ones with advanced tech and at best it reached Imperial special forces level.
God's, I'm glad I don't play gws slop any more.
Weird, it's better then old necromunda in terms of rules, lore is pretty good too. I say this as someone whom you know, actually tends to prefer old warhammer rulesets and lore.
New necromunda is perfect modern continuation of rogue trader
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>it's better then old necromunda in terms of rules
nta but it fricking better be like the wargaming equivalent of the second coming of christ if they expect me to keep up with all the edition churn in a fricking narrative campaign game
7 months ago
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>it's better then old necromunda in terms of rules,
For a start it's across about 50 books so no
7 months ago
Anonymous
Before the extra gang supplements came out there was the necromunda reference book iirc which was a fan project that tried combining everything together. It was cool
7 months ago
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necrodamus.org is still a thing.
Some rules might be changed a bit usually it says when it has been change, while other times they simply use similar rules to fix GW horrible rules consistency
>but somehow havnt been crushed and their tech taken by the AM
IIRC the Governor of Necromunda, Van Saar themselves and even the Delaque makle sure to protect the Saars from Mechanicus investigation because they all know if the AdMech mobilize in force to take their STC everyone is going to get sweeped.
It gets worse. Remember when Necromunda was about nobodies, street gangs, fighting over their territories? The higher ups didn't even care enough to know about the slums, bar to use them as hunting grounds for bloodsport. Now we have the spare nobles directly intervening because of some magic Mary sue crap, and everyone has some golden age/Darkage tech just lying around.
It's definitely a step up from what it was before in that the gangs have become essential parts of the governance rather than underhivers but none of it is particularly sue for the wider setting. Van Saar equipment isn't even that advanced all in all, they just have access to a few bits of tech that most other factions don't really have that the AdMech would nuke Necromunda for and the Governor is shielding so he can keep the gubbinz for himself.
>these two are clearly the same
Yes, because the first one is a lie that covers up the truth of the second one. You could read all of this in the House of Artifice but you don't play the game
nta but I must have missed the oldcromunda supplement called house of artifice
guess there were no fluff changes between old and nucromunda after all, cheers obrien
Ignoring the bit that no, they shouldn't have it
Why the frick does DAoT look like discount tau bullshit? The most advanced time period of all of human history in the setting and what they come up with is a generic fricking mech? With fricking rotor blades?
Plenty of things from STCs are brutalist with some simple components - it's mostly the cheap, simple stuff the colonies needed while they built larger, more complex fabricators and industries. The Predator - though likely a significantly superior variant with shields and the like, is also STC based.
>Why the frick does DAoT look like discount tau bullshit?
Basically because GW has decided on a new "aesthetic" for Imperial-adjacent stuff in 40k that seems to mostly involve subdued pastelly and tertiary colours and a rounded but rugged sci-fi look.
For example, Genestealer Cults vehicles, the whole Votann range, the Man of Iron dude from Blackstone Fortress, and a lot of the Nucromunda range.
All sorts of reasons why. I prefer things a bit more Dredd/2000AD myself.
It's probably hard when doing new stuff and trying to make it different. Tyranids, Eldar, Tau and to a degree Necrons massively divert from classic Imperial and Chaos aesthetic styles but they're so old at this point that we're familiarized and most of them fit well enough. I don't really know what the solution is but it's evident that the designers have wanted to branch out from the core aesthetics of the Imperium this past decade when doing new stuff.
I actually love the retro-futurist look of the Man of Iron and at least some of the DAoT stuff, since it's pretty distinct from the modern boxes bolted to boxes look.
No, this is my thing now. >Van Saar aren't backwards religious nutjobs and all they want to do is create more advanced tech using their hidden STC >Mechanicus are backwards religious nutjobs who do not want to create more advanced tech because that violates their religion
Do basic elements of the franchise really need to be explained to you senior citizens? Is it alzheimers or what?
the mechanicus innovates and updates, it's just wrapped up in a bunch of rituals
>Why the frick does DAoT look like discount tau bullshit?
Basically because GW has decided on a new "aesthetic" for Imperial-adjacent stuff in 40k that seems to mostly involve subdued pastelly and tertiary colours and a rounded but rugged sci-fi look.
For example, Genestealer Cults vehicles, the whole Votann range, the Man of Iron dude from Blackstone Fortress, and a lot of the Nucromunda range.
All sorts of reasons why. I prefer things a bit more Dredd/2000AD myself.
no frick this particular c**t designer, they have a glaringly obvious fetish for roll-bar tubes that they inject into every fricking model whether or not it makes sense
>Old Necromunda
Van Saar have better equipment than Imperial Guard, or even Adeptus Astartes, had ever had because their family mafia controls multiple STCs. We're not going to go too deep into it so you can make your own models and rules. >New Necromunda
Van Saar have better equipment than Imperial Guard, or even Adeptus Astartes, had ever had because their family mafia controls multiple STCs. Since you've been asking for it for nearly 30 years, we'll give you models and rules for it.
FTFY newbie. Read the books before you complain next time.
They do explicitly have better tech than the Guard - to the point where their lesser creations are sometimes used as extremely high quality gear by the Guard. When compared to Astartes it gets more complicated.
man portable plasma cannons that can be carried by a single human without power armour.
They had that in old Necromunda, they're useable by the application of Suspensors, grav-arrays that make weapons more wieldy, expensive and advanced but not out of reach for other Imperial institutions.
>Old Necromunda >Van Saar have better equipment than Imperial Guard, or even Adeptus Astartes
The absolute fricking STATE of nogames newbies pretending to be old-school.
>>>Old Necromunda >Van Saar have better equipment than Imperial Guard, or even Adeptus Astartes, had ever had because their family mafia controls multiple STCs
You absolute fricking moron, you have no idea what you're talking about. Van Saar explicitly had no more advanced technology than Cawdor as that would have been literally impossible in the setting, they just had far better standards of fabrication, now your newbie slop has them have technology unknown to the fabricator general
They look the least "warhammer" out of all of the gangs. Sure orloks look generic and escher are women, but the van saar have a techno sci-fi look that nothing else in 40k shares. I'm not saying it's a bad thing but it's very different
>What causes this?
Tertiaries have absolutely no idea about Necromunda and see one faction that doesn't look like Mad Max or covered in skulls and lose their minds.
It turns out that when you have better manufacturing technology and more money available you can make a lot more stuff, including aborted concepts like ash wastes, which was what they were pushing into when the fanatic reboot of necromunda got shitcanned. Fanatic necromunda already included a lot of wilder stuff as well as different (mostly much worse) gang designs, you'd have to be pretty oblivious to be confused by the direction necromunda has evolved in.
Also scavies have been done dirty and need to come back.
I heard these are their ash waste vehicles. That and apparently Palanite Enforcers are getting some vehicles. How the frick do they get vehicles before Cawdor and Delaque?
they strap bombs to rats and try to apply that in warfare
what do you expect from a gang that exists only because they're lunatics and people like to avoid crazy?
They won't make a Gorkamorka remake, that was Andy Chambers' baby, and he fought against the idea that the focus of 40k should be myopically on the Primarchs and Imperium-as-heroic. Orks as protagonists is going to be verboten.
Don't think to deeply about any of the lore, it's all inconsistant made up bollocks written to make you buy whatever moronic models they decide to shit out this week. Just shush and consoome.
>old Van Saar in techy bodygloves found on various Imperial factions with money and resources, and using clearly Imperial weapons >nu Van Saar in scifi cyber suits wielding scifi guns in scifi mechs not available even to the most powerful Imperial factions
And somehow these are the same and you're dumb if you don't see it.
My dad hated when we played, always said that if we aren't learning we should be working and then he would whoop our asses. And he was only laughing when he watched serbian basketball teams winning or when he was around his friends from war time.
Whoever is behind Nucromunda clearly loves the game and they release quality miniature after quality miniature. The plastic sets are still modular multipart at its best and the designs are usually top notch in and off themselves. The fluff is developed in an interesting but halfway cautious manner, a trillion times better than 40k cape shit. The homosexuals crying about van Saar on an almost daily basis never played the original, never played the current game and would have never played it at all. The absolute worst kind of false grogs.
I'd honestly like to just throw out the rest of 40k and focus on underhive gangs fighting squalid little wars with what are implied to be cast-offs and bootlegs of tech belonging to a powerful but dying greater Imperium whose finer details are never elaborated on because hive wars are chimp-tier in relevance. But i know I'm in the minority and most customers like MCU-esque characters vomiting quips and memes and destroying entire multiverses.
>The homosexuals crying about van Saar on an almost daily basis never played the original, never played the current game and would have never played it at all.
And it's doubly stupid because old Necromunda lore about Van Saar isn't really any different than now, it's just the models actually represent that "Holy Shit they have an STC!" feeling.
you can build your own vehicles in Ash Wastes. Escher have the speeder bikes. Van Saar have hoverboards in a Green Goblin styles as well, I think. Gang specific stuff excepted, the rules are pretty flexible if you want to make your own ride. The rules for piloting the vehicle on the other hand, are pretty shit. You're better of using mounts or vehicles that are treated as mounts in most cases.
nucromunda has a shit-ton of really good kits but you pessimistic morons only focus on the stupid shitty van saar ones as if "this ugly mech thing looks ugly" is a novel opinion
yeah van saar looks like shit, so talk about something else already
weird the amount of gaslighting itt
there simultaneously was no change, necromunda was always like this, but the change was asked for by true fans
very "oceania had always been at war with Eurasia"
None of the Van Saar lore changed. They always had a broken STC that allowed them to manufacture really crazy weaponry very easily (a big deal on a weapons manufacturing world like Necromunda) but at the cost of irradiating themselves.
That part never changed.
The thing that changed is that their models now represent that. It's not like walker and hover tech is somehow amazing lostech to Imperials, sentinels are disposable scout vehicles and hive cities have hover cars everywhere.
Even their shield tech is pretty much inferior to actual rare shields, like iron halos and conversion fields. (In Necromunda, their shields rules act like actual physical riot shields) It's just a lot easier to make.
Don't forget the entirety of the astartes and mechanicus have hover vehicles. Space Marines have always had landspeeders and Astraeus Heavy Hover Tanks which is 1000% more impressive than this stuff its basically a whole hovering baneblade
I think a lot of this could be alleviated if people actually looked at the rules for Van Saar's big robots, because they're basically just sentinels strapped with lasguns and maybe a plasma gun or two.
it went from lowly underhive house associates scrabbling around in the junk to particularly van saar gangers going around with hypertech, all these shiny toys impact the theme imo, the mess that is the nucromunda rules is another discussion
as for the fluff, if the house of van saar had an itc in oldcromunda, then the least you could do is post a source
the only one posted says otherwise, all any of you have done is written so as if its a truth
No, that moronation started in 2017 Necromunda. 2003 Van Saar had the same tech as everyone else.
>it went from lowly underhive house associates scrabbling around in the junk to particularly van saar gangers going around with hypertech
That's nowhere near true, every gang was running around with plasma/meltas/bolters in the original because Necromunda shits out guns like the Imperium shits out skulls.
>as for the fluff, if the house of van saar had an itc in oldcromunda, then the least you could do is post a source
Read the original fricking book, it's all right there. What did you think their gimmick was? They just really liked lasguns? Their rules didn't even change that much, they're still rocking armored undersuits as standard equipment (and even back in 1.0 they looked way cleaner than everyone else.)
>the only one posted says otherwise, all any of you have done is written so as if its a truth
Read the book that's in. Why do you think their fluff hook is:
"Its technology is no more advanced than that of anyone else, ... , But the House's manufacturing processes are precise and its finished materials are of the highest quality."
I sure wonder what would allow a house to shit out plasma guns, lasguns and basic hovertech at a much higher rate than anyone else.
-you're equating special weapons and little environmental suits with mechs and hoverboards
-your source is "read the books bro"
-with how you're straining to read enormous amounts of """""subtext"""" into the ONLY source that has been posted ITT, a passively written out-of-universe perspective boxout, that doesn't fly
now by your """"""logic""""""" (read: desperate straw-clutching) any imperial world known for its above average quality would be explained by them packing an STC
at least, I suppose, you're honest about how much you're reaching, it's almost schizo levels, which I have to thank you about being honest about because if I was going to debase myself by being a disingenuous gaslighting homosexual I sure as shit wouldn't straight up admit how full of shit I am
all that disingenuous bullshit because some people dare to prefer an older iteration of a GW product, absolute soi freak behaviour, genuinely disgusting
>different people are saying different things, and some of them are wrong so what they say conflicts with what the people who are right say >this is just like that book I never read
it's a clearly and simply written enough book in terms of its style, that's heavy handed enough that it regularly makes early high school reading lists
if you've read 1984, you're not special for having done so, if you haven't, you might well be
>it's a clearly and simply written enough book in terms of its style, that's heavy handed enough that it regularly makes early high school reading lists >if you've read 1984, you're not special for having done so, if you haven't, you might well be
The point is not that one is special for reading 1984, it's that 99% of the political cretins who compare [thing they don't like] to 1984 haven't read it and/or don't possess the media literacy to comprehend what it's about
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If you did have the media literacy you're so very proud of, I spelled out enough why a group of rabidly loyal fanatics expecting me to simultaneously believe their contradictory statements which they are confidently spamming with no source might resemble the doublethink demanded by the party, it's not rocket surgery
and yet you started seething about how I hadn't read 1984
now here you are once again telling me 99% of blah blah blah just don't get it
even if you lack the introspection to realise it, all signs do in fact point to you thinking, or would like to think, that you are a very special boy for reading and getting 1984
You can just admit you don't know what you're talking about. It's not shameful to like something, but it is to lie and pretend you know stuff you clearly don't.
I cracked open the books and the Van Saar did not have a broken STC in the main books for first or second edition, nor were they irradiated, and they didn't wear armour because armour was a rarity on Necromunda and getting your hands on even flak armour was a challenge - a 3 in 55 chance. Part of the reason why people DIDN'T field lists with more than a lot of dudes with basic guns (aside from the cost) is because putting people out of action wasn't that hard.
>but that didn’t translate into man portable plasma spam
False grog detected. Literally every gang could spam plasma, boltguns and meltas to their heart's content.
1.0 was all about the arms race to get special weapons if you weren't houseruling it.
They can't, dumbass. Only three models in your gang could ever have specialist weapons unless a ganger (or juve in some cases) got a very specific skill on the techno skill tree, which means realistically you'd have two at most because you'd want a heavy weapon in there somewhere. That's if you can even afford spending the good chunk of credits to buy one.
No, you can't equip them with shit on campaign either - it was a hard limit. Three specialist weapons at most, in reality closer to one because why wouldn't you want heavies with heavy weapons? The only exception to this is leader only weapons which could be equipped by gangers later on, meaning you could feasibly (if you spend a long ass time saving), equip a good number with plasma pistols or melta guns if you're one of the shooty gangs.
Just stop saying 'Necromunda was always like this'. It wasn't. It was hobo fights in the ghetto, a fundamentally different concept that I don't think the new rules are trying to imitate. Just say you like the game still and like the models.
>It was hobo fights in the ghetto
Good thing this is 40k a setting about an intergalactic empire in which about every shithole of relevance has random technological man made horrors thought to be beyond human comprehension lying around.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Cool fanfiction bro.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>I’m a lorelet
based self realization I respect it
>why wouldn't you want heavies with heavy weapons?
because you can give them each 2 plasguns instead?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Its still 3 plasma guns being fired per round, unless one of your gangers rolled into the Specialist skill.
You can just admit you don't know what you're talking about. It's not shameful to like something, but it is to lie and pretend you know stuff you clearly don't.
I cracked open the books and the Van Saar did not have a broken STC in the main books for first or second edition, nor were they irradiated, and they didn't wear armour because armour was a rarity on Necromunda and getting your hands on even flak armour was a challenge - a 3 in 55 chance. Part of the reason why people DIDN'T field lists with more than a lot of dudes with basic guns (aside from the cost) is because putting people out of action wasn't that hard.
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They can't, dumbass. Only three models in your gang could ever have specialist weapons unless a ganger (or juve in some cases) got a very specific skill on the techno skill tree, which means realistically you'd have two at most because you'd want a heavy weapon in there somewhere. That's if you can even afford spending the good chunk of credits to buy one.
No, you can't equip them with shit on campaign either - it was a hard limit. Three specialist weapons at most, in reality closer to one because why wouldn't you want heavies with heavy weapons? The only exception to this is leader only weapons which could be equipped by gangers later on, meaning you could feasibly (if you spend a long ass time saving), equip a good number with plasma pistols or melta guns if you're one of the shooty gangs.
Just stop saying 'Necromunda was always like this'. It wasn't. It was hobo fights in the ghetto, a fundamentally different concept that I don't think the new rules are trying to imitate. Just say you like the game still and like the models.
I'm currently checking 1st ed Necromunda. Looks very tame compared to the modern shitfest, although Plasma Pistols almost made me spill my tea from laughter.
The only thing that I like about modern Necromunda is alternating activations, it makes the game a lot more fun.
This is just straight up false. I actually played Necro back in the day (unlike you little scrotes) and Van Saar had access to better equipment than the other gangs, yes, but that didn’t translate into man portable plasma spam, hover tech and spider mechs - you are just talking complete shit
As is
Don't forget the entirety of the astartes and mechanicus have hover vehicles. Space Marines have always had landspeeders and Astraeus Heavy Hover Tanks which is 1000% more impressive than this stuff its basically a whole hovering baneblade
the astraeus is a fricking fw model added decades after. And marines had land speeders yes, but that was literally it and they were revered artefacts that they barely understood and couldn’t reproduce.
In fact, Post RT-kitchen sink scifi mash up era, even jetbikes were basically non existent. For the longest time, only the master of the fricking ravenwing could get one.
God, I fricking hate fake grogs strutting around pretending they know shit about shit. Frick off back to R*ddit where they fall for that shit, you insufferable little dicksockets.
>but that didn’t translate into man portable plasma spam
False grog detected. Literally every gang could spam plasma, boltguns and meltas to their heart's content.
1.0 was all about the arms race to get special weapons if you weren't houseruling it.
>but that didn’t translate into man portable plasma spam,
oh yes it did. I knew a guy that would double up on plaspistols so he could fire max power every turn like Josey Wales with his pistols.
>different people are saying different things, and some of them are wrong so what they say conflicts with what the people who are right say >this is just like that book I never read
>warhammer1980s
LE GRIMDARK STARSHIP TROOPERS EVERYTHING SUCKS AND ALIENS WILL EAT UR BRAIN >warhammer 2020s
Marvel Superheroes/villains as Abaddon looks for the infinity keys. >necromunda past
JUDGE DREDD THAT'LL BE ANOTHER 10 YEARS IN THE CUBES, CREEP >necromunda present
Cyberpunk 2070 so you can be just like your favorite anime character David 🙂
>NOOOOO MUH POWER LEVELS A SINGLE GUARDSMAN CAN KILL A THOUSAND GANGERS ALONE BECAUSE HE HAS A LASER RIFLE AND FLAK JACKET THE LORE IN MY FAVORITE OLD EDITION SAID SO
amazing that GW simps rage so hard when some people prefer an older iteration of the company's games
really unhealthy this overly emotional pseudo-relationship some of you have with GW
>"thing was always like this" >not according to the old fluff anon >"ah yes but the old fluff doesn't specifically say it WASN'T always like this so it probably was"
I fricking hate headcanon gays.
Knight worlds act independently from the admech and have much more powerful technology. Van Saar are basically the same (their colony ship crashed instead of landing) but due to their STC breaking they didn't have the technology to take over the entire planet.
>Knight worlds act independently from the admech and have much more powerful technology
Knight worlds don't hide their tech from the admech, and they both have a open working relationship. Also knights tech is referred to as archaeo tech.
According to the lore, van saars tech is basically dark age tier due to their STC. How are the arbites not aware of people even gangers dying from advanced weapons, hell they should know flat based on their interaction with the local enforcers.
looking at the old book, yeah no, Van saar beeing super high tech is literally the opposit of what the book says.
However, i dont give a fricking shit.
Its one of the factions, the excuse while flimsy is good enaugh.
Any of you frickers read the early Eisenhorn books? There were civillian grav vehicles all over the place. 40k is weird and i fricking loathe people sperging about making it all more uniform.
Heres a real complaint about Necromunda >Nobody fricking plays it where i live
The closest you can get is kill team which is... ok but not the same.
My ultimate head cannon cope is that all these miniatures from all these non core games is just a lead up to them dropping Inquisitor 2.0. They released the rules and say all the minis are all over the place, go crazy boys and girls.
I mean you could just play Inquisitor and half the ranges or convert inches to cm to play in 28mm.
There is already a ton of Inq28 rules versions. Most popular among them probably "In the Emperor's Name" which got it's own stand alone release with miniatures as a victorian sci-fi game "In her Majesty's Name". If you want that sort of thing there are tons of offerings for that already.
I sniff around the conclave and adjacent communities. Good times. Though it would be interesting to see, wishing for =][= 2.0 would be making a wish on the ol' a money paw
I mean you could just play Inquisitor and half the ranges or convert inches to cm to play in 28mm.
There is already a ton of Inq28 rules versions. Most popular among them probably "In the Emperor's Name" which got it's own stand alone release with miniatures as a victorian sci-fi game "In her Majesty's Name". If you want that sort of thing there are tons of offerings for that already.
is this really a necromunda unit? if youre just pulling my chain, you got me. I bit.
NTA but yes, it is Necromunda. He ain't joking.
Thirty years passed.
Thirty years of powecreep in a nutshell.(powercreep sells) Imagine what the Van Saars will be like in another 30! They'll be using Titans!
Makes me wish for a Gueve'sa Battlesuit like this.
You could literally just use it as is. All it needs it a paintjob to match the rest of your army and sept markings.
Infinity happened.
Ah yes, sneaky GW trying to slipstream behind Corvus Belli's blooming business
>Corvus Belli's blooming business
Kek, especially after killteam literally cucked cb in Spain.
Qrd?
They ran out of stuff to remake so they had to think of new stuff
Still waiting for scavvies and spyrers. I'm resigned to Ratskins not happening.
>I'm resigned to Ratskins not happening.
I hope they turn up as people who are literally mutating into rats with the most far gone being full skaven
The Ratskins have found somewhere safe and comfortable and are leaving the stupid violent people to die in stupid and violent ways, don’t force them to leave their dark age of technology living quarters where their entire civilisation is moved to.
Necro should be much more down and dirty, what's with the weboos?
T. Fricking lorelet
Yes, you are.
Frick off you lying c**t. You better have a goddamn page and line reference for Van Saar having a *functional STC system* in OG Necro.
>OG Necromunda
“We’re the high-tech underhive gang, we can actually manufacture lasguns and plasma guns”
>Nu-cromunda
We wuz flying robots and sheeeit
Moron.
That is just the Van Saar, but their advanced tech is also killing them. The rest are still pretty Mad Max types, though they are all more fleshed out than thirty years ago.
I know, I have all three of the original books across from me now, (Rulebook, Source book and Outlanders), I also have Battles in the Underhive, which was given to me, which was nice.
I don’t play overwatch but I see enough porn to recognize the design. Lame
GW better stay the FRICK away from Mordheim is all I'm saying.
They ruined Blood Bowl too
The final CRP rulebook was perfect, the two editions since GW have come back have basically been them selling it piecemeal to morons and whales
>The final CRP rulebook was perfect
T.Butthurt elfcuck.
Actually mostly played Orcs and Undead lad
>the final CRP rulebook was perfect
I enjoyed the state it was in but I wouldn't say there was no room for improvement. Not to argue GW has done so, however. I think about the only thing they've done that I like is introduce deflections.
Mordheim is slated to be redone in 2024.
If it's any comfort, a designer for TOW confirmed in a Q&A at a convention earlier this year that GW is not currently working on a revamped Mordheim nor are they currently planning to make a new version. However, he also elaborated that it's not off the table, but it would almost certainly hinge on TOW being successful before they branch out into more niche games set in Warhammer Fantasy. So at minimum a nu-Mordheim is probably a good 5 years away, if not more.
It went from an attempt to recreate hive gang warfare to full on paramilitaries. That can still be done with the current rules and minis don't get me wrong, but it feels like with every new release GW is just trying to make it 40K 2.
larger unit types got added
it seems like they're also moving the status quo and on a larger scale it went from being an example of gang life in the underhives to the top extreme example of gang life in the underhives
some of the kits are cool, part of me hopes the necromundian narrative ends with some sort of small "jump" that gives players the option to play a full army composed by requisitioned necromundian assets
>Old Necromunda
Rich Spire buttholes have better equipment than Imperial Guard, or even Adeptus Astartes, had ever had
>Nu Necromunda
A fricking mafia family have better equipment than Imperial Guard, or even Adeptus Astartes, had ever had
Van Saar are more advanced than the Mechanicus and this isn't controversial
this
is your question "when did van saar have advanced Dark Age of Technology tech" or is it "when did they specifically have this model of mechsuit that came out a few years ago?"
Think carefully on it.
>Old Van Saar had a reputation for making good high quality goods and being dabbling techies
>Nu Van Saar has functioning Darkage STC machines, hyper advanced pre-fall of man tech, are better than the adeptus mechanicus at engineering and technology but somehow havnt been crushed and their tech taken by the AM, are super cool guys with a literal militia of fighters armed with better tech than the Imperial Guard but haven't taken over the hive yet....
>These two are clearly the same
Well it is funny how the head of necromunda forced the van saar and the eshers to build him a slave race, and both the "clans" have access to golden era tech. So they at first, somehow, retro engineered the thunder warrior program and then made it more stable. Which is how we get the goliath in the setting.
A bit different then "we do really nice lasgun handles and belts." of ye old days.
Nucromunda lore yet again. Goliaths were always meatheads built up from steroid use and hard labour. The Spyres were the only ones with advanced tech and at best it reached Imperial special forces level.
God's, I'm glad I don't play gws slop any more.
Weird, it's better then old necromunda in terms of rules, lore is pretty good too. I say this as someone whom you know, actually tends to prefer old warhammer rulesets and lore.
New necromunda is perfect modern continuation of rogue trader
>it's better then old necromunda in terms of rules
nta but it fricking better be like the wargaming equivalent of the second coming of christ if they expect me to keep up with all the edition churn in a fricking narrative campaign game
>it's better then old necromunda in terms of rules,
For a start it's across about 50 books so no
Before the extra gang supplements came out there was the necromunda reference book iirc which was a fan project that tried combining everything together. It was cool
necrodamus.org is still a thing.
Some rules might be changed a bit usually it says when it has been change, while other times they simply use similar rules to fix GW horrible rules consistency
>>God's, I'm glad I don't play gws slop any more.
yeah now you just whine about a game you don't even play
But anon you never played in the first place
>but somehow havnt been crushed and their tech taken by the AM
IIRC the Governor of Necromunda, Van Saar themselves and even the Delaque makle sure to protect the Saars from Mechanicus investigation because they all know if the AdMech mobilize in force to take their STC everyone is going to get sweeped.
It gets worse. Remember when Necromunda was about nobodies, street gangs, fighting over their territories? The higher ups didn't even care enough to know about the slums, bar to use them as hunting grounds for bloodsport. Now we have the spare nobles directly intervening because of some magic Mary sue crap, and everyone has some golden age/Darkage tech just lying around.
It's definitely a step up from what it was before in that the gangs have become essential parts of the governance rather than underhivers but none of it is particularly sue for the wider setting. Van Saar equipment isn't even that advanced all in all, they just have access to a few bits of tech that most other factions don't really have that the AdMech would nuke Necromunda for and the Governor is shielding so he can keep the gubbinz for himself.
>these two are clearly the same
Yes, because the first one is a lie that covers up the truth of the second one. You could read all of this in the House of Artifice but you don't play the game
nta but I must have missed the oldcromunda supplement called house of artifice
guess there were no fluff changes between old and nucromunda after all, cheers obrien
>still talking about oldcromunda
sorry somehow thought the post you were replying to was comparing old and nucromunda
don't know what on earth gave me that impression
apologies
it's okay but do NOT do it again
Ignoring the bit that no, they shouldn't have it
Why the frick does DAoT look like discount tau bullshit? The most advanced time period of all of human history in the setting and what they come up with is a generic fricking mech? With fricking rotor blades?
Plenty of things from STCs are brutalist with some simple components - it's mostly the cheap, simple stuff the colonies needed while they built larger, more complex fabricators and industries. The Predator - though likely a significantly superior variant with shields and the like, is also STC based.
>Why the frick does DAoT look like discount tau bullshit?
Basically because GW has decided on a new "aesthetic" for Imperial-adjacent stuff in 40k that seems to mostly involve subdued pastelly and tertiary colours and a rounded but rugged sci-fi look.
For example, Genestealer Cults vehicles, the whole Votann range, the Man of Iron dude from Blackstone Fortress, and a lot of the Nucromunda range.
All sorts of reasons why. I prefer things a bit more Dredd/2000AD myself.
It's a neat bike but it doesn't look "warhammer"
That's my thought too, it's not the spikes and grunge I grew up with.
It's probably hard when doing new stuff and trying to make it different. Tyranids, Eldar, Tau and to a degree Necrons massively divert from classic Imperial and Chaos aesthetic styles but they're so old at this point that we're familiarized and most of them fit well enough. I don't really know what the solution is but it's evident that the designers have wanted to branch out from the core aesthetics of the Imperium this past decade when doing new stuff.
I actually love the retro-futurist look of the Man of Iron and at least some of the DAoT stuff, since it's pretty distinct from the modern boxes bolted to boxes look.
>Van Saar are more advanced than the Mechanicus and this isn't controversial
Fricking zoomer, get the frick out.
No, this is my thing now.
>Van Saar aren't backwards religious nutjobs and all they want to do is create more advanced tech using their hidden STC
>Mechanicus are backwards religious nutjobs who do not want to create more advanced tech because that violates their religion
Do basic elements of the franchise really need to be explained to you senior citizens? Is it alzheimers or what?
the mechanicus innovates and updates, it's just wrapped up in a bunch of rituals
no frick this particular c**t designer, they have a glaringly obvious fetish for roll-bar tubes that they inject into every fricking model whether or not it makes sense
>Old Necromunda
Van Saar have better equipment than Imperial Guard, or even Adeptus Astartes, had ever had because their family mafia controls multiple STCs. We're not going to go too deep into it so you can make your own models and rules.
>New Necromunda
Van Saar have better equipment than Imperial Guard, or even Adeptus Astartes, had ever had because their family mafia controls multiple STCs. Since you've been asking for it for nearly 30 years, we'll give you models and rules for it.
FTFY newbie. Read the books before you complain next time.
>old Van Saar have better equipment than Imperial Guard, or even Adeptus Astartes
No
man portable plasma cannons that can be carried by a single human without power armour.
you mean a unreliable extremely rare heavy plasma gun?
They do explicitly have better tech than the Guard - to the point where their lesser creations are sometimes used as extremely high quality gear by the Guard. When compared to Astartes it gets more complicated.
They had that in old Necromunda, they're useable by the application of Suspensors, grav-arrays that make weapons more wieldy, expensive and advanced but not out of reach for other Imperial institutions.
>Old Necromunda
>Van Saar have better equipment than Imperial Guard, or even Adeptus Astartes
The absolute fricking STATE of nogames newbies pretending to be old-school.
>>>Old Necromunda
>Van Saar have better equipment than Imperial Guard, or even Adeptus Astartes, had ever had because their family mafia controls multiple STCs
You absolute fricking moron, you have no idea what you're talking about. Van Saar explicitly had no more advanced technology than Cawdor as that would have been literally impossible in the setting, they just had far better standards of fabrication, now your newbie slop has them have technology unknown to the fabricator general
This is the millionth time this kind of thread has been made so I'm just going to do the inevitable argument myself
>WHY DID THEY CHANGE
>They already had this
>BUT NOT IN MY SPECIFIC UNDERSTANDING OF NECROMUNDA
When did Van Saar ever have these?
>see complaint about necromunda
>it's 9 times out of 10 van saar
What causes this?
They look the least "warhammer" out of all of the gangs. Sure orloks look generic and escher are women, but the van saar have a techno sci-fi look that nothing else in 40k shares. I'm not saying it's a bad thing but it's very different
Because they have an honest to god full STC so their shit is Votann level.
that's stupid
But that's how its always been.
No, that moronation started in 2017 Necromunda. 2003 Van Saar had the same tech as everyone else.
the first paragraph is just propaganda that van saar canonically wants everyone to think
prove it then
Where is this from?
2003 Necromunda sourcebook page 64.
>Sure orloks look generic
I think they should lean more heavily into the biker aesthetic
They have a high ballistic skill and the average necromunda player isn't smart enough to buy smoke grenades
>What causes this?
Tertiaries have absolutely no idea about Necromunda and see one faction that doesn't look like Mad Max or covered in skulls and lose their minds.
>underhivers can scrap up better field mechs better than those red robed servitors
What having even an incomplete STC does for you. Imagine what the admech could do with a full one.
Always could. But don't you dare tell the red robed servitors unless you want to be a red robed serviter's buttplug.
Imagine having underhive scum with force fields, flying mechs and jetbikes, and NOT having the Mechanicus scour the underhive to find out how.
It turns out that when you have better manufacturing technology and more money available you can make a lot more stuff, including aborted concepts like ash wastes, which was what they were pushing into when the fanatic reboot of necromunda got shitcanned. Fanatic necromunda already included a lot of wilder stuff as well as different (mostly much worse) gang designs, you'd have to be pretty oblivious to be confused by the direction necromunda has evolved in.
Also scavies have been done dirty and need to come back.
I would blow a guy for that caller model
what city you in?
Pretty sure the White Dwarf in which they showed those was my first ever step in the hobby
I heard these are their ash waste vehicles. That and apparently Palanite Enforcers are getting some vehicles. How the frick do they get vehicles before Cawdor and Delaque?
Cawdor got their vehicle, pic rel.
Amazing, a machine designed to smash your knees.
they strap bombs to rats and try to apply that in warfare
what do you expect from a gang that exists only because they're lunatics and people like to avoid crazy?
>wheelchair dynamite ratto
On one hand, cute, on the other, why would you put in the effort for a fricking rat? A suicidebomber rat at that.
The first time around it survived but lost its legs, so they gave it some wheels to try again
Those look dumb. I was hoping for something like the buzzard cars from mad max, but with candles replacing some of the spikes
Gotta save something for the Gorkamorka remake
They won't make a Gorkamorka remake, that was Andy Chambers' baby, and he fought against the idea that the focus of 40k should be myopically on the Primarchs and Imperium-as-heroic. Orks as protagonists is going to be verboten.
They look like Ironstriders made by backyard bubba out of spare Toyota parts.
Those look cool as hell.
How does Van Saar deploy these unique (seen nowhere else) war machines without Mechanicus adepts pissing themselves?
Don't think to deeply about any of the lore, it's all inconsistant made up bollocks written to make you buy whatever moronic models they decide to shit out this week. Just shush and consoome.
>old Van Saar in techy bodygloves found on various Imperial factions with money and resources, and using clearly Imperial weapons
>nu Van Saar in scifi cyber suits wielding scifi guns in scifi mechs not available even to the most powerful Imperial factions
And somehow these are the same and you're dumb if you don't see it.
>things cannot change or improve over time
yes, generaly they get worse over time. There are very few exeptions where things stay the way they were aka good.
>change
yeah, of course things change
>improve
this never happens any more
a man will watch his body age, and cry. then he'll watch his son play, and laugh
My dad hated when we played, always said that if we aren't learning we should be working and then he would whoop our asses. And he was only laughing when he watched serbian basketball teams winning or when he was around his friends from war time.
Your dad's an abusive moron.
>S*rb
There's your problem
To be fair, you probably deserved it for being his son.
mad at dad?
Oh have a nice day you cringey pseud.
>things cannot change or improve over time
Things changing and improving is precisely why 40k as a setting is progressively getting worse.
Being ‘progressive’ and ‘anti-conservative’ ruins yet another previously functional aspect of modern life and culture.
This was explicitly one of the central points of 40k as a setting, yes.
>not available
yeah I doubt it, it's just a shitty mech with extra arms and turbines, designed to go up against dudes on quad bikes, not tanks
>they're the same picture
Yeah, ok.
Whoever is behind Nucromunda clearly loves the game and they release quality miniature after quality miniature. The plastic sets are still modular multipart at its best and the designs are usually top notch in and off themselves. The fluff is developed in an interesting but halfway cautious manner, a trillion times better than 40k cape shit. The homosexuals crying about van Saar on an almost daily basis never played the original, never played the current game and would have never played it at all. The absolute worst kind of false grogs.
>false grogs
Oh, it's this autist again. I was hoping you'd died.
I'd honestly like to just throw out the rest of 40k and focus on underhive gangs fighting squalid little wars with what are implied to be cast-offs and bootlegs of tech belonging to a powerful but dying greater Imperium whose finer details are never elaborated on because hive wars are chimp-tier in relevance. But i know I'm in the minority and most customers like MCU-esque characters vomiting quips and memes and destroying entire multiverses.
Yep. But you can’t sell new kits if you keep your eye at street level problems. It’s how Batman went from vigilante to BatGod.
Gotta sell more kits!
>The homosexuals crying about van Saar on an almost daily basis never played the original, never played the current game and would have never played it at all.
And it's doubly stupid because old Necromunda lore about Van Saar isn't really any different than now, it's just the models actually represent that "Holy Shit they have an STC!" feeling.
GW likes to sell toys.
Cool Battlesuits for my Gueve'sa.
It got good and you got old.
Looks like a work exosuit retrofitted for war. Much better than gay shit like a space moron inside a space moron.
VGH, my ancestors are calling me
what is necromunda?
Why?
>Van Saar mechs
holy shit, I need those
Really wanna know if they can be built as a standard arachnirig. Frick paying 80 for the Forgeworld model.
Disappointed Van Saar aren't getting a star wars landspeeder though.
you can build your own vehicles in Ash Wastes. Escher have the speeder bikes. Van Saar have hoverboards in a Green Goblin styles as well, I think. Gang specific stuff excepted, the rules are pretty flexible if you want to make your own ride. The rules for piloting the vehicle on the other hand, are pretty shit. You're better of using mounts or vehicles that are treated as mounts in most cases.
>Disappointed Van Saar aren't getting a star wars landspeeder though.
Aren’t getting on YET Anon.
They forgot a lot of shit, starting with the fact that the gangs aren't even meant to be great house agents proper.
nucromunda has a shit-ton of really good kits but you pessimistic morons only focus on the stupid shitty van saar ones as if "this ugly mech thing looks ugly" is a novel opinion
yeah van saar looks like shit, so talk about something else already
Yeah, as if moronic flying delaque nonsence is any better.
weird the amount of gaslighting itt
there simultaneously was no change, necromunda was always like this, but the change was asked for by true fans
very "oceania had always been at war with Eurasia"
How's it hard to understand?
None of the Van Saar lore changed. They always had a broken STC that allowed them to manufacture really crazy weaponry very easily (a big deal on a weapons manufacturing world like Necromunda) but at the cost of irradiating themselves.
That part never changed.
The thing that changed is that their models now represent that. It's not like walker and hover tech is somehow amazing lostech to Imperials, sentinels are disposable scout vehicles and hive cities have hover cars everywhere.
Even their shield tech is pretty much inferior to actual rare shields, like iron halos and conversion fields. (In Necromunda, their shields rules act like actual physical riot shields) It's just a lot easier to make.
Don't forget the entirety of the astartes and mechanicus have hover vehicles. Space Marines have always had landspeeders and Astraeus Heavy Hover Tanks which is 1000% more impressive than this stuff its basically a whole hovering baneblade
I think a lot of this could be alleviated if people actually looked at the rules for Van Saar's big robots, because they're basically just sentinels strapped with lasguns and maybe a plasma gun or two.
it went from lowly underhive house associates scrabbling around in the junk to particularly van saar gangers going around with hypertech, all these shiny toys impact the theme imo, the mess that is the nucromunda rules is another discussion
as for the fluff, if the house of van saar had an itc in oldcromunda, then the least you could do is post a source
the only one posted says otherwise, all any of you have done is written so as if its a truth
>it went from lowly underhive house associates scrabbling around in the junk to particularly van saar gangers going around with hypertech
That's nowhere near true, every gang was running around with plasma/meltas/bolters in the original because Necromunda shits out guns like the Imperium shits out skulls.
>as for the fluff, if the house of van saar had an itc in oldcromunda, then the least you could do is post a source
Read the original fricking book, it's all right there. What did you think their gimmick was? They just really liked lasguns? Their rules didn't even change that much, they're still rocking armored undersuits as standard equipment (and even back in 1.0 they looked way cleaner than everyone else.)
>the only one posted says otherwise, all any of you have done is written so as if its a truth
Read the book that's in. Why do you think their fluff hook is:
"Its technology is no more advanced than that of anyone else, ... , But the House's manufacturing processes are precise and its finished materials are of the highest quality."
I sure wonder what would allow a house to shit out plasma guns, lasguns and basic hovertech at a much higher rate than anyone else.
>I sure wonder what would allow a house to shit out plasma guns, lasguns and basic hovertech at a much higher rate than anyone else.
NTAYRT but you're even admitting you're leaping here. Better manufacturing processes compared to knuckleheaded Goliaths doesn't imply a fricking STC
Because it's actually not, their shit kills their users. Goliath stuff is just overweight.
Best overall is probably Orlock stuff. Just reliable, simple as'.
-you're equating special weapons and little environmental suits with mechs and hoverboards
-your source is "read the books bro"
-with how you're straining to read enormous amounts of """""subtext"""" into the ONLY source that has been posted ITT, a passively written out-of-universe perspective boxout, that doesn't fly
now by your """"""logic""""""" (read: desperate straw-clutching) any imperial world known for its above average quality would be explained by them packing an STC
at least, I suppose, you're honest about how much you're reaching, it's almost schizo levels, which I have to thank you about being honest about because if I was going to debase myself by being a disingenuous gaslighting homosexual I sure as shit wouldn't straight up admit how full of shit I am
all that disingenuous bullshit because some people dare to prefer an older iteration of a GW product, absolute soi freak behaviour, genuinely disgusting
it's a clearly and simply written enough book in terms of its style, that's heavy handed enough that it regularly makes early high school reading lists
if you've read 1984, you're not special for having done so, if you haven't, you might well be
>it's a clearly and simply written enough book in terms of its style, that's heavy handed enough that it regularly makes early high school reading lists
>if you've read 1984, you're not special for having done so, if you haven't, you might well be
The point is not that one is special for reading 1984, it's that 99% of the political cretins who compare [thing they don't like] to 1984 haven't read it and/or don't possess the media literacy to comprehend what it's about
If you did have the media literacy you're so very proud of, I spelled out enough why a group of rabidly loyal fanatics expecting me to simultaneously believe their contradictory statements which they are confidently spamming with no source might resemble the doublethink demanded by the party, it's not rocket surgery
and yet you started seething about how I hadn't read 1984
now here you are once again telling me 99% of blah blah blah just don't get it
even if you lack the introspection to realise it, all signs do in fact point to you thinking, or would like to think, that you are a very special boy for reading and getting 1984
You can just admit you don't know what you're talking about. It's not shameful to like something, but it is to lie and pretend you know stuff you clearly don't.
I cracked open the books and the Van Saar did not have a broken STC in the main books for first or second edition, nor were they irradiated, and they didn't wear armour because armour was a rarity on Necromunda and getting your hands on even flak armour was a challenge - a 3 in 55 chance. Part of the reason why people DIDN'T field lists with more than a lot of dudes with basic guns (aside from the cost) is because putting people out of action wasn't that hard.
They can't, dumbass. Only three models in your gang could ever have specialist weapons unless a ganger (or juve in some cases) got a very specific skill on the techno skill tree, which means realistically you'd have two at most because you'd want a heavy weapon in there somewhere. That's if you can even afford spending the good chunk of credits to buy one.
No, you can't equip them with shit on campaign either - it was a hard limit. Three specialist weapons at most, in reality closer to one because why wouldn't you want heavies with heavy weapons? The only exception to this is leader only weapons which could be equipped by gangers later on, meaning you could feasibly (if you spend a long ass time saving), equip a good number with plasma pistols or melta guns if you're one of the shooty gangs.
Just stop saying 'Necromunda was always like this'. It wasn't. It was hobo fights in the ghetto, a fundamentally different concept that I don't think the new rules are trying to imitate. Just say you like the game still and like the models.
>It was hobo fights in the ghetto
Good thing this is 40k a setting about an intergalactic empire in which about every shithole of relevance has random technological man made horrors thought to be beyond human comprehension lying around.
Cool fanfiction bro.
>I’m a lorelet
based self realization I respect it
>why wouldn't you want heavies with heavy weapons?
because you can give them each 2 plasguns instead?
Its still 3 plasma guns being fired per round, unless one of your gangers rolled into the Specialist skill.
I'm currently checking 1st ed Necromunda. Looks very tame compared to the modern shitfest, although Plasma Pistols almost made me spill my tea from laughter.
The only thing that I like about modern Necromunda is alternating activations, it makes the game a lot more fun.
This is just straight up false. I actually played Necro back in the day (unlike you little scrotes) and Van Saar had access to better equipment than the other gangs, yes, but that didn’t translate into man portable plasma spam, hover tech and spider mechs - you are just talking complete shit
As is
the astraeus is a fricking fw model added decades after. And marines had land speeders yes, but that was literally it and they were revered artefacts that they barely understood and couldn’t reproduce.
In fact, Post RT-kitchen sink scifi mash up era, even jetbikes were basically non existent. For the longest time, only the master of the fricking ravenwing could get one.
God, I fricking hate fake grogs strutting around pretending they know shit about shit. Frick off back to R*ddit where they fall for that shit, you insufferable little dicksockets.
>but that didn’t translate into man portable plasma spam
False grog detected. Literally every gang could spam plasma, boltguns and meltas to their heart's content.
1.0 was all about the arms race to get special weapons if you weren't houseruling it.
>Frick off back to R*ddit where they fall for that shit, you insufferable little dicksockets.
This is the most R e d d i t post in this thread.
>but that didn’t translate into man portable plasma spam,
oh yes it did. I knew a guy that would double up on plaspistols so he could fire max power every turn like Josey Wales with his pistols.
>different people are saying different things, and some of them are wrong so what they say conflicts with what the people who are right say
>this is just like that book I never read
>some people are.... le right
>And some are.... le wrong
There is so much beauty in the world
>warhammer1980s
LE GRIMDARK STARSHIP TROOPERS EVERYTHING SUCKS AND ALIENS WILL EAT UR BRAIN
>warhammer 2020s
Marvel Superheroes/villains as Abaddon looks for the infinity keys.
>necromunda past
JUDGE DREDD THAT'LL BE ANOTHER 10 YEARS IN THE CUBES, CREEP
>necromunda present
Cyberpunk 2070 so you can be just like your favorite anime character David 🙂
>NOOOOO MUH POWER LEVELS A SINGLE GUARDSMAN CAN KILL A THOUSAND GANGERS ALONE BECAUSE HE HAS A LASER RIFLE AND FLAK JACKET THE LORE IN MY FAVORITE OLD EDITION SAID SO
U big mad
amazing that GW simps rage so hard when some people prefer an older iteration of the company's games
really unhealthy this overly emotional pseudo-relationship some of you have with GW
>old good new bad
Yes, that's my preference when it comes to Necromunda. How astute of you.
so you like eating old and expired GW slop instead of fresh and new.
You are such a brave individual. I salute you, good sir
>GW slop
bit late to pretend to be an enlightened alt wargamer after all that hysterical seething directed at people that prefer the older iteration
grav cutter go zooooooom :^)
>"thing was always like this"
>not according to the old fluff anon
>"ah yes but the old fluff doesn't specifically say it WASN'T always like this so it probably was"
I fricking hate headcanon gays.
What is the reason given for why van saar is able to elude the ad mech, or arbites?
There are countless stores,about the ad mech going on crusades for less.
Both are incompetent. The same explanation why a microstate of space chinks with shitty FTL. are somehow able to survive.
Knight worlds act independently from the admech and have much more powerful technology. Van Saar are basically the same (their colony ship crashed instead of landing) but due to their STC breaking they didn't have the technology to take over the entire planet.
>Knight worlds act independently from the admech and have much more powerful technology
Knight worlds don't hide their tech from the admech, and they both have a open working relationship. Also knights tech is referred to as archaeo tech.
According to the lore, van saars tech is basically dark age tier due to their STC. How are the arbites not aware of people even gangers dying from advanced weapons, hell they should know flat based on their interaction with the local enforcers.
>Isn't reffered to
Hating on GW for releasing new minis is so fricking cringe and somehow you guys keep getting cringier every week.
they looks like how I imagine special circumstances agents from the culture novels look
looking at the old book, yeah no, Van saar beeing super high tech is literally the opposit of what the book says.
However, i dont give a fricking shit.
Its one of the factions, the excuse while flimsy is good enaugh.
Any of you frickers read the early Eisenhorn books? There were civillian grav vehicles all over the place. 40k is weird and i fricking loathe people sperging about making it all more uniform.
Heres a real complaint about Necromunda
>Nobody fricking plays it where i live
The closest you can get is kill team which is... ok but not the same.
Still loses to Roided dudes with knuckle dusters if they get beside him
My ultimate head cannon cope is that all these miniatures from all these non core games is just a lead up to them dropping Inquisitor 2.0. They released the rules and say all the minis are all over the place, go crazy boys and girls.
GW would never, someone might decide to use a 3rd party model or terrain that isn't from one of their plastic kits.
True true, thus my cope.
I sniff around the conclave and adjacent communities. Good times. Though it would be interesting to see, wishing for =][= 2.0 would be making a wish on the ol' a money paw
I mean you could just play Inquisitor and half the ranges or convert inches to cm to play in 28mm.
There is already a ton of Inq28 rules versions. Most popular among them probably "In the Emperor's Name" which got it's own stand alone release with miniatures as a victorian sci-fi game "In her Majesty's Name". If you want that sort of thing there are tons of offerings for that already.