What is the appeal of the emperor as a character?

What is the appeal of the emperor as a character?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bait thread

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He's more of a plot device.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Was. By the way Black Library is now trying to shit on AoS Sigmar:

    https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/ebook-godeaters-son-eng-2023.html

    Also, funnily enough due GeeDubs pushing woke so much they now have non-white-non-binary people committing genocide, torture and whatnot.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Still can't believe those psychos want $40 for an audiobook

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Around $30 seems to be a pretty standard price for audio books. It's kind of crazy.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Is that for a physical copy or are the cheap bastards selling you a FLAC file?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >they have gone so woke that they are treating nonwhite charactera like white characters
      they must be so embarrassed, what an unintentional mishap

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He's the last hope of humanity.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    he is a literal God

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Daddy

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Someone who was genuinely trying to do the best he could, but who, while transforming into a living god, was ultimately undone by his very human blind spots: love for a son that he didn't believe would betray him until it was too late.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >love for a son that he didn't believe would betray him until it was too late.
      didnt nulore retcon all of that?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Eh, it’s unclear. On the one hand it sounds like he refers to Primarchs as tools and puppets and by numbers. But on the other hand when he speaks you hear what you expect (it is explicitly stated even that the words he is using are not what is heard), the puppet interpretation missed the point of the story entirely, and the only people who hear numbers are Custodians (when he does speak and you KNOW the wording is right, it is calling them by name).

        When the Sisters of Silence interact with him they are immune to the psyker shit, and their perception is also at odds with a lot of the harsh, cold, distant characterisation. They don’t even see him as the golden titanic god-man, they see what he really looks like underneath it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          wow so there is no clear answer. I hate nulore so fucking much. Fucking perpetuals and cabal and world changing information hidden in hundreds of thousands of pages among unreadable trash books like battle for the abyss and legion

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i just pretend the BL books don't exist.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > wow so there is no clear answer. I hate nulore so fucking much
            A lack of clarity and the past being kept at least slightly ambiguous is old as fuck, in the initial rogue trader no one even knew anything about what was going on with the emperor.
            You are right about tons of the bullshit regarding perpetual nonsense and things like that though.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    By people with daddy issues he is perceived as a the root cause of everything bad in the Imperium and that because he wasn't perfect, he deserves all the suffering.

    By people who understand that several hundred year old hyperintelligent demigods have agency, the Emperor comes off as a fallible, but still a great man who saved mankind from certain destruction and gave them a position of advantage in the galaxy.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      cringe

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cringe. You are playing with plastic figures stop basing ur ideology on it

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's not exactly ideological to expect that someone who has lived several lifetimes and has the brainpower equivalent to a quantum supercomputer to be able to get over the fact that the guy who created you wasn't a nice guy.

        There's plenty of normal people from rough backgrounds with double digit IQs that have managed to cope better with their tragic circumstances.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not exactly ideological to expect that someone who has lived several lifetimes and has the brainpower equivalent to a quantum supercomputer to be able to get over the fact that the guy who created you wasn't a nice guy.

      There's plenty of normal people from rough backgrounds with double digit IQs that have managed to cope better with their tragic circumstances.

      You're a cuck and a fag.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He's basically the anti-christ. A false-savior who came promising humanity salvation, but lead them to ruin instead.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      hes a metaphor for christ.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There is no resurrection. Go read the fucking opening text of any 40k rulebook or novel, you dumbass. Christ is humble. The Emperor is not.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He literally suppressed and destroyed Christianity.

          ok if you want to just troll and use 40k as a platform for your politics
          >The Emperor is not humble
          we were never really supposed to know anything about him, from what ive read he is humble in some of the books. Not that it matters he was never supposed to intimately be known.
          We don't know Jesus liked big tits.

          He is a metaphor for the worship of Christ after the crucifixion, only he was put on a chair and became a real god by worship. Similarly to how Jesus became worshipped as a God by the church.

          He literally suppressed and destroyed Christianity.

          Did Christianity exist before Jesus was Crucified? Did the Imperial cult exist before the Emperor ascended. No.
          Is Christianity after Jesus how Jesus intended it to be? no
          Is the Imperium after the Emperor was put on the throne how he intended it to be? no.
          Metaphor doesn't literally mean he is Christ you ESL dunce cap.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Is Christianity after Jesus how Jesus intended it to be?
            Yes.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              LOL

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Are you implying that God's plan is capable of being ruined by mere men?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >mere terrestrial mortals are able to interpret an omniscient God

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Isn't that what you're doing right now? Jesus intended to separate the sinners from those that can be redeemed, leaving only vestiges of hope and love for a fallen World. What do you mean he didn't "expect" for things to get this way?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Is Christianity after Jesus how Jesus intended it to be? no
            lol shut up gay. I bet you're one of those people who think Paul is literally the devil and somehow "subverted" Christianity too. But I admit, your argument about how the writer(s) INTENDED for the Emperor to be a metaphor of Christ holds water - only you nor the author seem to understand Jesus at all.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Why dont YOU shut up gay? instead of using 40k to post your religious sperg.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >instead of using 40k to post your religious sperg.
                ???

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              relax christcuck criticism of the church isn't a personal attack on you.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He literally suppressed and destroyed Christianity.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Actually, he was suggested in earlier editions to possibly be a secret 13th Apostle of Jesus. Apparently, he hated what Christianity became so much he then decided to wipe it out and tried his own turn ruling. Worked out pretty shit.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i don't even know why people deny this, the creator of 40k basically said this, he did say its not based on anything spiritual but its a parallel

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So he's more of a metaphor for Stalin or Mao then. Fosters a cult of personality but seeks to destroy religion.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No hes more like Buddha. Stop fishing poltard.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Nah, Buddha didn’t try to ban all religion,

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                in 40k there us a good reason to clamp down on religion real world poltard comparisons do not compare

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not really, the chaos gods are fed by emotion, not faith, putting faith in other gods just denies them power.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Not really, the chaos gods are fed by emotion, not faith, putting faith in other gods just denies them power.
                People actively wanting to talk to anybody who may listen in 40k is a horrible idea, that's the main reason the emperor did not want any religion in his imperium. Well that and his turbo-atheism, but ignoring that last bit for a moment, he did not want the worship of Galacton the Spaceful one to morph into the cult of Galacton the champion of the Warpy 4 under his nose.

                That the best idea he came up with is "If the very idea of worshipping is expunged from mankind, no human will worship chaos, they will not even conceive the notion of it let alone try" can be seen as deeply flawed or unworkable, but the plan was never to *starve* the chaos gods. It was to make mankind never worship, and thus never be subject to the whims of the realm of chaos and its denizens.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He had a 10 000 year run while controlling the galaxy with flashlights and t-34's against all odds.
      Considering that average lifespan of an empire is like 300 years, I feel Emperor deserves a bit of a break.
      Especially since mankind has been saved from extinction multiple times during that time by merit of the empire he built that a weaker mankind could have been easily destroyed by.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Empires a fraction the size of the Imperium have survived just fine, some of them even having humans in them. The Imperium was not necessary for humanity to survive.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Literally only survived because the the big boys were too preoccupied with each other to care about your micro empires.
          If any of them disappeared, so too would they have the forces to overrun a lot of the smaller insignificant factions.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Literally only survived because the the big boys were too preoccupied with each other to care about your micro empires.
            Sounds like a confederation of human empires would work out better than the Imperium then.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Why do you think Imperium is structured like a confederation with extremely high amount of self-governance with representation in the galactic senate that determines how they're ruled?
              The only way to increase the self rule the systems have is legalizing sedition and destroying the supervisory bodies the central government has.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The central power that the Imperium enforces is the worst kind though. Instead of allowing for true competition between planets, they enforce uniformity, not allowing themselves to progress technologically.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                thats not true

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It is true. Their fucking tech-center is a religion.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the uniformity thing is false otherwise we wouldn't get the variation of guard companies and marines etc.
                Technological uniformity isn't a given either
                , factions get into exclusivity deals with the ad mech.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nobody is preventing a planetary governor from making guns on a Feudal world or a Feral world.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Just try to strap those guns to an AI then.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you make AI as a human faction before nu-squats, even by accident, it will kill everyone on the planet.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the votann are basically mini-warp gods like the Emperor.
                99% chance the Emperor is the Votann

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yea, AI and Warp fuckery are banned and if you get big enough without political clout, politicians are gonna fuck you over.
                The first two points exist for a reason and the third point can't be eliminated because anyone who establishes himself as top dog of any competition would invariably defend that position with the backing of the body politic.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >galactic senate
                This isn't Star Wars

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Imperium has a senate. A fucking massive and corrupt one, but that's what you get when you have 10 000 years time to let corruption worm it's way in.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I have played this game for 20 years and have never thought of this.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        its because that anon is some troll thats been spamming it in everythread over the last year

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't think it's just one guy. It rings true, I'm pretty sure it's just caught on.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Like look at this.

            It was said that once you had seen Him or heard Him speak you were never in doubt that He was the One and had always been the One. He had been the Emperor long before such an office was created. No one knew His birth name because He had always, naturally, been the Emperor of Mankind.

            If that isn't antichrist shit I don't know what is.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            calling things the anti-christ is basically the lowest tier of Christian online shitposting.
            It really is the same guy though, he says it because hes offended the Emp is Christ-like.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He fits the second coming of Christ more
      >Christ returns as a conquerer
      >Conquers the entire world defeating Warlords and despots
      Also the second coming will never claim they are Jesus.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        oh and Christ returns with a sword

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        oh and Christ returns with a sword

        Does he also enslave humanity into an omnicidal shitshow of an empire held together by force and a religion centered around glorifying himself and humanity as a whole that also includes mass daily human sacrifice?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Emperor didn't do that brainlet.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Except Christ WINS in the second coming of the Bible. The Emperor lost.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          not necessarily in the second coming there will be a final test by evil, like the Horus Heresy.
          Also the Emperor didn't lose Horus died, The Emperor ascended to a God

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Jesus doesn't ascend to God, he is God.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              the Emperor is not Jesus, you moron, neither is the second coming. They don't believe in reincarnation you larping cunt.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Jesus isn't dead you idiot

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                why do you keep trying to bring the discussion back to theology. Do you realise 40k is not real, everything is metaphorical not exact nor does it have to be.
                Your religion is irrelevant to the topic you idiotic shitposting imbecile,

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're the one who tried to make it about religion by comparing the Emperor to Jesus, not me.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Its metaphorical. Also you are lying you made it religious, why are you a liar?
                Are you too low iq to understand when someone says something is similar to something its not actually the thing?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You can't claim something is a metaphor and then hide behind it "being a metaphor" when people point out how dissimilar the two are.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                your political views are completely irrelevant to the topic,
                Anyway to point out in the second coming the church doesn't claim to know what will come after.
                So your argument, is pretty fucking stupid. You really come off as someone pretending to be christian to start a flame war.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nobody mentioned politics, schizo.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You have to stop fag, you keep wanting an off topic theological argument but im going to continue not giving it to you and cucking you.
                You came into the thread (which you made i know) and said a lot of stupid things.
                Like the Emperor lost.
                Did Jesus lose when he was crucified?
                How did the Emperor lose? He was already a god too.
                The Emperor did not fucking lose. This is just idiotic Ganker shit you are trying to inject into /tg/

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A metaphor doesn't have to be exact, it is not literal. You stupid americunt.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                neither is the Emperor but your pretend god is dead and buried and worm food you retarded nut.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    powerful ass dude on a golden throne overseeing his slowly crumbling empire, he really is the imperium personified, thousands of sacrifices a day just keep his psykic energy at an operable level, so the imperium sacrifices millions each day to operate

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >same retarded bait thread as all the others
    just check the archive
    >um daddy!
    >he is da anti-christo
    >he is not a real god real gods are not real

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What is the appeal of the emperor as a character?
    Fictional surrogate dad for biotrash who grew without one.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >escaped DaOT gestalt super being with highly advanced autism
    The idea is kinda neat
    I know technically the canon answer is that he's a super shaman or whatever but that never really sat right with me.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I know technically the canon answer is that he's a super shaman or whatever but that never really sat right with me.
      If you want to multiply the retardation while having an out, just imagine DAoT using super science and warp magic to retroactively better mankind, Xeele-style. So they send a weapon into the past to guide humanity from the very beginning, and then aid in the creation of an even superior weapon to send him into the past, the cycle repeating itself until no improvement can be made and a stable time loop is reached.

      Up to you to decide if the emperor is the first iteration of the many, the last, a combination of all the iterations and/or if he betrayed his creators in some manner.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Leto II was a very interesting and great character while the 40k emperor is just badly written because the black library writer's suck.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      40k emp is supposed to be this mysterious ethereal God, kinda like the Christian relation with God. A bit like Buddha too.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The only thing they share is one of their titles. Dune influences on 40k are overrated. Those 2 characters are nothing alike and are not meant to be alike. They have as much to do with each other as Theoden with Robert Baratheon, who were both kings in a fictional setting and that's it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Dune influences on 40k are overrated
        Correct, people just say it to accuse GW of plagiarising
        Emperor is more just inspired by the tarot card.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The only thing they share is one of their titles.
        My dude, their stories are the same. In both cases you have a prescient super being who predicts the destruction of the species. He then decides to take total control over the species so he can guide its development until his guidance is no longer needed (Golden Path). Both are described as highly calculated and cold. Both of them even end up making the ultimate sacrifice for the species. Leto engineers his own death, The Emperor accepts the Throne.

        The Emperor is Leto II except he is a failed version of him. Where Leto II has perfect prescience, the Emperor is limited. Where Leto II has no enemies worth speaking of, The Emperor has Chaos. Both have relied on legions of soldiers to enforce their "peace".

        Funnily enough Leto's Fish Speakers are all female because he believed an all male army would eventually turn on those it protects unless it was constantly fed external enemies. Also, men apparently had to be weaned off the adolescent homosexual military nonsense. Cue the Space Marines, an all male army that turns on those they were supposed to protect.

        It's as if somebody read the book and said: "What if this, but everything goes horribly wrong?"

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He is the boogeyman representing ADB's daddy issues

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sky daddy is a marry sue

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It was said that once you had seen Him or heard Him speak you were never in doubt that He was the One and had always been the One. He had been the Emperor long before such an office was created. No one knew His birth name because He had always, naturally, been the Emperor of Mankind.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There was a palace built on top of the world. It was not so much as palace and more like a magnificent golden crown that straddled the highest mountains on that planet. A stunning and awe inspiring symbol and unequivocal proof that He had achieved the impossible. He had united the warring tribes, creeds and factions of that planet after centuries of warfare. He had brought peace to his species. He had raised his species from the abyss. And He placed them at their rightful place above all else in the universe.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ..Even the artisan masters of the masonic guilds famous for their sanctimonious craft wars and vainglorious quarrels. They put aside their differences and shut up and built The Palace for Him..

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That fact that he's at least 3 times as wide as a human should be.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A Mock Messiah figure to give mouthbreathers something to argue over while the Black Ships keep killing a thousand souls a day to keep a faulty lighthouse running.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Arguing about the Emperor doesn't seem wise, anon.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I love humanity

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i'll never get over how retards think metaphors are literal

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think there is one unless you unironically enjoy the ultra-nihilistic, anti-civilization/anti-Western type tone and story Warhammer goes for. The Emperor is basically the writers projecting things they don't like onto a character (including ADB's dad, literally) while simultaneously attacking the concept of heroes or "Great Men" in history in typical post-modernist fashion.

    tl;dr the appeal by default is nothing unless you're a cynical edgy leftist and the appeal for most people online is making up a version of the emperor in their heads that never existed

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    covers everything in gold

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this thread is garbage just Gankerpol/ gayry to bait 40k fans into theological arguments

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i can't take this guy seriously, it has to be a fedora larping as a Christian idiot

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The Emperor hated religion
    So did Jesus, he said the religions were dead inside.

    The Imperium is the inverse skulls on the outsude light on the inside

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "my dad can beat your dad" arguments

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He's trying his best.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the emperor works best as an element of the setting.
    the idea of this mortal god being that's been crippled for thousands of years and survives as shell of his former self thanks to ancient and lost technology and now lives in eternal agony as he fights off the ever growing forces chaos is the coolest thing about the 40k setting to me.

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Personally like the idea that Emps was a DAoT weapon that was left outside of its box.

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Emperor Protects

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Big Man
    Big Sword

    Simple as.

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wouldn't know. There's no canon material that includes him as an active figure instead of an ancient dead guy on a throne.

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not so much the Emperor per se, but more how he influences other characters in the setting: I think there's much that is interesting and enjoyable to read in the idea of characters with moral certainty, an unabashed sense of purpose, right and wrong (although they may still agonise over how best to achieve this). This is something that has been largely lost in the modern world and culture/media where the dominating narrative is of moral relativism, shifting values, acceptance of different beliefs held by others (and I'm not implying this is altogether a bad thing). In modern fiction it leads to an endless succession of anti-heroes, snarky types too enlightened to believe in anything, etc. That's not necessarily bad, but it's so commonplace than it makes the devoted fanatics in 40K seem novel and compelling. A character dedicated to a leader or institution is practically guaranteed to be a dupe or an outright villain. I don't think I've seen a genuinely well-intentioned, truly devoted (or religious) character who clearly makes the world around them a better place outside of 40K, unless it's in something produced over a half-century ago

    The emperor provides a fulcrum for morally certain characters in 40K. Certainly not all 40K characters are like this, but the ones who are are the only genuinely novel thing remaining in 40K. Otherwise you end up with stuff like the Abnettverse, which could easily be in any other setting. Gulliman, for example, is interesting because it feels entirely plausible that he isn't just in it for his ego, isn't a dupe, but also seriously does want the Emperor's plans for a triumphant humanity to succeed more than anything else

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Advert for the tiny plastic models they want to sell to you.

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He's literally me

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    is the hitler of the future

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He is the only source of goodness, severe and drastic. There is no other source of hope than him. He is agonisingly alone.

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