Someone who was genuinely trying to do the best he could, but who, while transforming into a living god, was ultimately undone by his very human blind spots: love for a son that he didn't believe would betray him until it was too late.
Eh, it’s unclear. On the one hand it sounds like he refers to Primarchs as tools and puppets and by numbers. But on the other hand when he speaks you hear what you expect (it is explicitly stated even that the words he is using are not what is heard), the puppet interpretation missed the point of the story entirely, and the only people who hear numbers are Custodians (when he does speak and you KNOW the wording is right, it is calling them by name).
When the Sisters of Silence interact with him they are immune to the psyker shit, and their perception is also at odds with a lot of the harsh, cold, distant characterisation. They don’t even see him as the golden titanic god-man, they see what he really looks like underneath it.
wow so there is no clear answer. I hate nulore so fricking much. Fricking perpetuals and cabal and world changing information hidden in hundreds of thousands of pages among unreadable trash books like battle for the abyss and legion
> wow so there is no clear answer. I hate nulore so fricking much
A lack of clarity and the past being kept at least slightly ambiguous is old as frick, in the initial rogue trader no one even knew anything about what was going on with the emperor.
You are right about tons of the bullshit regarding perpetual nonsense and things like that though.
By people with daddy issues he is perceived as a the root cause of everything bad in the Imperium and that because he wasn't perfect, he deserves all the suffering.
By people who understand that several hundred year old hyperintelligent demigods have agency, the Emperor comes off as a fallible, but still a great man who saved mankind from certain destruction and gave them a position of advantage in the galaxy.
It's not exactly ideological to expect that someone who has lived several lifetimes and has the brainpower equivalent to a quantum supercomputer to be able to get over the fact that the guy who created you wasn't a nice guy.
There's plenty of normal people from rough backgrounds with double digit IQs that have managed to cope better with their tragic circumstances.
It's not exactly ideological to expect that someone who has lived several lifetimes and has the brainpower equivalent to a quantum supercomputer to be able to get over the fact that the guy who created you wasn't a nice guy.
There's plenty of normal people from rough backgrounds with double digit IQs that have managed to cope better with their tragic circumstances.
He literally suppressed and destroyed Christianity.
ok if you want to just troll and use 40k as a platform for your politics >The Emperor is not humble
we were never really supposed to know anything about him, from what ive read he is humble in some of the books. Not that it matters he was never supposed to intimately be known.
We don't know Jesus liked big breasts.
He is a metaphor for the worship of Christ after the crucifixion, only he was put on a chair and became a real god by worship. Similarly to how Jesus became worshipped as a God by the church.
He literally suppressed and destroyed Christianity.
Did Christianity exist before Jesus was Crucified? Did the Imperial cult exist before the Emperor ascended. No.
Is Christianity after Jesus how Jesus intended it to be? no
Is the Imperium after the Emperor was put on the throne how he intended it to be? no.
Metaphor doesn't literally mean he is Christ you ESL dunce cap.
Are you implying that God's plan is capable of being ruined by mere men?
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>mere terrestrial mortals are able to interpret an omniscient God
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Isn't that what you're doing right now? Jesus intended to separate the sinners from those that can be redeemed, leaving only vestiges of hope and love for a fallen World. What do you mean he didn't "expect" for things to get this way?
>Is Christianity after Jesus how Jesus intended it to be? no
lol shut up homosexual. I bet you're one of those people who think Paul is literally the devil and somehow "subverted" Christianity too. But I admit, your argument about how the writer(s) INTENDED for the Emperor to be a metaphor of Christ holds water - only you nor the author seem to understand Jesus at all.
Actually, he was suggested in earlier editions to possibly be a secret 13th Apostle of Jesus. Apparently, he hated what Christianity became so much he then decided to wipe it out and tried his own turn ruling. Worked out pretty shit.
in 40k there us a good reason to clamp down on religion real world poltard comparisons do not compare
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Not really, the chaos gods are fed by emotion, not faith, putting faith in other gods just denies them power.
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>Not really, the chaos gods are fed by emotion, not faith, putting faith in other gods just denies them power.
People actively wanting to talk to anybody who may listen in 40k is a horrible idea, that's the main reason the emperor did not want any religion in his imperium. Well that and his turbo-atheism, but ignoring that last bit for a moment, he did not want the worship of Galacton the Spaceful one to morph into the cult of Galacton the champion of the Warpy 4 under his nose.
That the best idea he came up with is "If the very idea of worshipping is expunged from mankind, no human will worship chaos, they will not even conceive the notion of it let alone try" can be seen as deeply flawed or unworkable, but the plan was never to *starve* the chaos gods. It was to make mankind never worship, and thus never be subject to the whims of the realm of chaos and its denizens.
He had a 10 000 year run while controlling the galaxy with flashlights and t-34's against all odds.
Considering that average lifespan of an empire is like 300 years, I feel Emperor deserves a bit of a break.
Especially since mankind has been saved from extinction multiple times during that time by merit of the empire he built that a weaker mankind could have been easily destroyed by.
Empires a fraction the size of the Imperium have survived just fine, some of them even having humans in them. The Imperium was not necessary for humanity to survive.
Literally only survived because the the big boys were too preoccupied with each other to care about your micro empires.
If any of them disappeared, so too would they have the forces to overrun a lot of the smaller insignificant factions.
>Literally only survived because the the big boys were too preoccupied with each other to care about your micro empires.
Sounds like a confederation of human empires would work out better than the Imperium then.
Why do you think Imperium is structured like a confederation with extremely high amount of self-governance with representation in the galactic senate that determines how they're ruled?
The only way to increase the self rule the systems have is legalizing sedition and destroying the supervisory bodies the central government has.
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The central power that the Imperium enforces is the worst kind though. Instead of allowing for true competition between planets, they enforce uniformity, not allowing themselves to progress technologically.
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thats not true
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It is true. Their fricking tech-center is a religion.
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the uniformity thing is false otherwise we wouldn't get the variation of guard companies and marines etc.
Technological uniformity isn't a given either
, factions get into exclusivity deals with the ad mech.
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Nobody is preventing a planetary governor from making guns on a Feudal world or a Feral world.
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Just try to strap those guns to an AI then.
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If you make AI as a human faction before nu-squats, even by accident, it will kill everyone on the planet.
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the votann are basically mini-warp gods like the Emperor.
99% chance the Emperor is the Votann
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Yea, AI and Warp frickery are banned and if you get big enough without political clout, politicians are gonna frick you over.
The first two points exist for a reason and the third point can't be eliminated because anyone who establishes himself as top dog of any competition would invariably defend that position with the backing of the body politic.
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>galactic senate
This isn't Star Wars
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Imperium has a senate. A fricking massive and corrupt one, but that's what you get when you have 10 000 years time to let corruption worm it's way in.
It was said that once you had seen Him or heard Him speak you were never in doubt that He was the One and had always been the One. He had been the Emperor long before such an office was created. No one knew His birth name because He had always, naturally, been the Emperor of Mankind.
If that isn't antichrist shit I don't know what is.
calling things the anti-christ is basically the lowest tier of Christian online shitposting.
It really is the same guy though, he says it because hes offended the Emp is Christ-like.
He fits the second coming of Christ more >Christ returns as a conquerer >Conquers the entire world defeating Warlords and despots
Also the second coming will never claim they are Jesus.
Does he also enslave humanity into an omnicidal shitshow of an empire held together by force and a religion centered around glorifying himself and humanity as a whole that also includes mass daily human sacrifice?
not necessarily in the second coming there will be a final test by evil, like the Horus Heresy.
Also the Emperor didn't lose Horus died, The Emperor ascended to a God
the Emperor is not Jesus, you moron, neither is the second coming. They don't believe in reincarnation you larping c**t.
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Jesus isn't dead you idiot
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why do you keep trying to bring the discussion back to theology. Do you realise 40k is not real, everything is metaphorical not exact nor does it have to be.
Your religion is irrelevant to the topic you idiotic shitposting imbecile,
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You're the one who tried to make it about religion by comparing the Emperor to Jesus, not me.
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Its metaphorical. Also you are lying you made it religious, why are you a liar?
Are you too low iq to understand when someone says something is similar to something its not actually the thing?
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You can't claim something is a metaphor and then hide behind it "being a metaphor" when people point out how dissimilar the two are.
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your political views are completely irrelevant to the topic,
Anyway to point out in the second coming the church doesn't claim to know what will come after.
So your argument, is pretty fricking stupid. You really come off as someone pretending to be christian to start a flame war.
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Nobody mentioned politics, schizo.
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You have to stop gay, you keep wanting an off topic theological argument but im going to continue not giving it to you and cucking you.
You came into the thread (which you made i know) and said a lot of stupid things.
Like the Emperor lost.
Did Jesus lose when he was crucified?
How did the Emperor lose? He was already a god too.
The Emperor did not fricking lose. This is just idiotic Ganker shit you are trying to inject into /tg/
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A metaphor doesn't have to be exact, it is not literal. You stupid americ**t.
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neither is the Emperor but your pretend god is dead and buried and worm food you moronic nut.
powerful ass dude on a golden throne overseeing his slowly crumbling empire, he really is the imperium personified, thousands of sacrifices a day just keep his psykic energy at an operable level, so the imperium sacrifices millions each day to operate
>escaped DaOT gestalt super being with highly advanced autism
The idea is kinda neat
I know technically the canon answer is that he's a super shaman or whatever but that never really sat right with me.
>I know technically the canon answer is that he's a super shaman or whatever but that never really sat right with me.
If you want to multiply the moronation while having an out, just imagine DAoT using super science and warp magic to retroactively better mankind, Xeele-style. So they send a weapon into the past to guide humanity from the very beginning, and then aid in the creation of an even superior weapon to send him into the past, the cycle repeating itself until no improvement can be made and a stable time loop is reached.
Up to you to decide if the emperor is the first iteration of the many, the last, a combination of all the iterations and/or if he betrayed his creators in some manner.
The only thing they share is one of their titles. Dune influences on 40k are overrated. Those 2 characters are nothing alike and are not meant to be alike. They have as much to do with each other as Theoden with Robert Baratheon, who were both kings in a fictional setting and that's it.
>The only thing they share is one of their titles.
My dude, their stories are the same. In both cases you have a prescient super being who predicts the destruction of the species. He then decides to take total control over the species so he can guide its development until his guidance is no longer needed (Golden Path). Both are described as highly calculated and cold. Both of them even end up making the ultimate sacrifice for the species. Leto engineers his own death, The Emperor accepts the Throne.
The Emperor is Leto II except he is a failed version of him. Where Leto II has perfect prescience, the Emperor is limited. Where Leto II has no enemies worth speaking of, The Emperor has Chaos. Both have relied on legions of soldiers to enforce their "peace".
Funnily enough Leto's Fish Speakers are all female because he believed an all male army would eventually turn on those it protects unless it was constantly fed external enemies. Also, men apparently had to be weaned off the adolescent homosexual military nonsense. Cue the Space Marines, an all male army that turns on those they were supposed to protect.
It's as if somebody read the book and said: "What if this, but everything goes horribly wrong?"
It was said that once you had seen Him or heard Him speak you were never in doubt that He was the One and had always been the One. He had been the Emperor long before such an office was created. No one knew His birth name because He had always, naturally, been the Emperor of Mankind.
There was a palace built on top of the world. It was not so much as palace and more like a magnificent golden crown that straddled the highest mountains on that planet. A stunning and awe inspiring symbol and unequivocal proof that He had achieved the impossible. He had united the warring tribes, creeds and factions of that planet after centuries of warfare. He had brought peace to his species. He had raised his species from the abyss. And He placed them at their rightful place above all else in the universe.
..Even the artisan masters of the masonic guilds famous for their sanctimonious craft wars and vainglorious quarrels. They put aside their differences and shut up and built The Palace for Him..
A Mock Messiah figure to give mouthbreathers something to argue over while the Black Ships keep killing a thousand souls a day to keep a faulty lighthouse running.
I don't think there is one unless you unironically enjoy the ultra-nihilistic, anti-civilization/anti-Western type tone and story Warhammer goes for. The Emperor is basically the writers projecting things they don't like onto a character (including ADB's dad, literally) while simultaneously attacking the concept of heroes or "Great Men" in history in typical post-modernist fashion.
tl;dr the appeal by default is nothing unless you're a cynical edgy leftist and the appeal for most people online is making up a version of the emperor in their heads that never existed
the emperor works best as an element of the setting.
the idea of this mortal god being that's been crippled for thousands of years and survives as shell of his former self thanks to ancient and lost technology and now lives in eternal agony as he fights off the ever growing forces chaos is the coolest thing about the 40k setting to me.
Not so much the Emperor per se, but more how he influences other characters in the setting: I think there's much that is interesting and enjoyable to read in the idea of characters with moral certainty, an unabashed sense of purpose, right and wrong (although they may still agonise over how best to achieve this). This is something that has been largely lost in the modern world and culture/media where the dominating narrative is of moral relativism, shifting values, acceptance of different beliefs held by others (and I'm not implying this is altogether a bad thing). In modern fiction it leads to an endless succession of anti-heroes, snarky types too enlightened to believe in anything, etc. That's not necessarily bad, but it's so commonplace than it makes the devoted fanatics in 40K seem novel and compelling. A character dedicated to a leader or institution is practically guaranteed to be a dupe or an outright villain. I don't think I've seen a genuinely well-intentioned, truly devoted (or religious) character who clearly makes the world around them a better place outside of 40K, unless it's in something produced over a half-century ago
The emperor provides a fulcrum for morally certain characters in 40K. Certainly not all 40K characters are like this, but the ones who are are the only genuinely novel thing remaining in 40K. Otherwise you end up with stuff like the Abnettverse, which could easily be in any other setting. Gulliman, for example, is interesting because it feels entirely plausible that he isn't just in it for his ego, isn't a dupe, but also seriously does want the Emperor's plans for a triumphant humanity to succeed more than anything else
bait thread
He's more of a plot device.
Was. By the way Black Library is now trying to shit on AoS Sigmar:
https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/ebook-godeaters-son-eng-2023.html
Also, funnily enough due GeeDubs pushing woke so much they now have non-white-non-binary people committing genocide, torture and whatnot.
Still can't believe those psychos want $40 for an audiobook
Around $30 seems to be a pretty standard price for audio books. It's kind of crazy.
Is that for a physical copy or are the cheap bastards selling you a FLAC file?
>they have gone so woke that they are treating nonwhite charactera like white characters
they must be so embarrassed, what an unintentional mishap
He's the last hope of humanity.
he is a literal God
>Daddy
Someone who was genuinely trying to do the best he could, but who, while transforming into a living god, was ultimately undone by his very human blind spots: love for a son that he didn't believe would betray him until it was too late.
>love for a son that he didn't believe would betray him until it was too late.
didnt nulore retcon all of that?
Eh, it’s unclear. On the one hand it sounds like he refers to Primarchs as tools and puppets and by numbers. But on the other hand when he speaks you hear what you expect (it is explicitly stated even that the words he is using are not what is heard), the puppet interpretation missed the point of the story entirely, and the only people who hear numbers are Custodians (when he does speak and you KNOW the wording is right, it is calling them by name).
When the Sisters of Silence interact with him they are immune to the psyker shit, and their perception is also at odds with a lot of the harsh, cold, distant characterisation. They don’t even see him as the golden titanic god-man, they see what he really looks like underneath it.
wow so there is no clear answer. I hate nulore so fricking much. Fricking perpetuals and cabal and world changing information hidden in hundreds of thousands of pages among unreadable trash books like battle for the abyss and legion
i just pretend the BL books don't exist.
> wow so there is no clear answer. I hate nulore so fricking much
A lack of clarity and the past being kept at least slightly ambiguous is old as frick, in the initial rogue trader no one even knew anything about what was going on with the emperor.
You are right about tons of the bullshit regarding perpetual nonsense and things like that though.
By people with daddy issues he is perceived as a the root cause of everything bad in the Imperium and that because he wasn't perfect, he deserves all the suffering.
By people who understand that several hundred year old hyperintelligent demigods have agency, the Emperor comes off as a fallible, but still a great man who saved mankind from certain destruction and gave them a position of advantage in the galaxy.
cringe
Cringe. You are playing with plastic figures stop basing ur ideology on it
It's not exactly ideological to expect that someone who has lived several lifetimes and has the brainpower equivalent to a quantum supercomputer to be able to get over the fact that the guy who created you wasn't a nice guy.
There's plenty of normal people from rough backgrounds with double digit IQs that have managed to cope better with their tragic circumstances.
You're a cuck and a gay.
He's basically the anti-christ. A false-savior who came promising humanity salvation, but lead them to ruin instead.
hes a metaphor for christ.
There is no resurrection. Go read the fricking opening text of any 40k rulebook or novel, you dumbass. Christ is humble. The Emperor is not.
ok if you want to just troll and use 40k as a platform for your politics
>The Emperor is not humble
we were never really supposed to know anything about him, from what ive read he is humble in some of the books. Not that it matters he was never supposed to intimately be known.
We don't know Jesus liked big breasts.
He is a metaphor for the worship of Christ after the crucifixion, only he was put on a chair and became a real god by worship. Similarly to how Jesus became worshipped as a God by the church.
Did Christianity exist before Jesus was Crucified? Did the Imperial cult exist before the Emperor ascended. No.
Is Christianity after Jesus how Jesus intended it to be? no
Is the Imperium after the Emperor was put on the throne how he intended it to be? no.
Metaphor doesn't literally mean he is Christ you ESL dunce cap.
>Is Christianity after Jesus how Jesus intended it to be?
Yes.
LOL
Are you implying that God's plan is capable of being ruined by mere men?
>mere terrestrial mortals are able to interpret an omniscient God
Isn't that what you're doing right now? Jesus intended to separate the sinners from those that can be redeemed, leaving only vestiges of hope and love for a fallen World. What do you mean he didn't "expect" for things to get this way?
>Is Christianity after Jesus how Jesus intended it to be? no
lol shut up homosexual. I bet you're one of those people who think Paul is literally the devil and somehow "subverted" Christianity too. But I admit, your argument about how the writer(s) INTENDED for the Emperor to be a metaphor of Christ holds water - only you nor the author seem to understand Jesus at all.
Why dont YOU shut up homosexual? instead of using 40k to post your religious sperg.
>instead of using 40k to post your religious sperg.
???
relax christcuck criticism of the church isn't a personal attack on you.
He literally suppressed and destroyed Christianity.
Actually, he was suggested in earlier editions to possibly be a secret 13th Apostle of Jesus. Apparently, he hated what Christianity became so much he then decided to wipe it out and tried his own turn ruling. Worked out pretty shit.
i don't even know why people deny this, the creator of 40k basically said this, he did say its not based on anything spiritual but its a parallel
So he's more of a metaphor for Stalin or Mao then. Fosters a cult of personality but seeks to destroy religion.
No hes more like Buddha. Stop fishing poltard.
Nah, Buddha didn’t try to ban all religion,
in 40k there us a good reason to clamp down on religion real world poltard comparisons do not compare
Not really, the chaos gods are fed by emotion, not faith, putting faith in other gods just denies them power.
>Not really, the chaos gods are fed by emotion, not faith, putting faith in other gods just denies them power.
People actively wanting to talk to anybody who may listen in 40k is a horrible idea, that's the main reason the emperor did not want any religion in his imperium. Well that and his turbo-atheism, but ignoring that last bit for a moment, he did not want the worship of Galacton the Spaceful one to morph into the cult of Galacton the champion of the Warpy 4 under his nose.
That the best idea he came up with is "If the very idea of worshipping is expunged from mankind, no human will worship chaos, they will not even conceive the notion of it let alone try" can be seen as deeply flawed or unworkable, but the plan was never to *starve* the chaos gods. It was to make mankind never worship, and thus never be subject to the whims of the realm of chaos and its denizens.
He had a 10 000 year run while controlling the galaxy with flashlights and t-34's against all odds.
Considering that average lifespan of an empire is like 300 years, I feel Emperor deserves a bit of a break.
Especially since mankind has been saved from extinction multiple times during that time by merit of the empire he built that a weaker mankind could have been easily destroyed by.
Empires a fraction the size of the Imperium have survived just fine, some of them even having humans in them. The Imperium was not necessary for humanity to survive.
Literally only survived because the the big boys were too preoccupied with each other to care about your micro empires.
If any of them disappeared, so too would they have the forces to overrun a lot of the smaller insignificant factions.
>Literally only survived because the the big boys were too preoccupied with each other to care about your micro empires.
Sounds like a confederation of human empires would work out better than the Imperium then.
Why do you think Imperium is structured like a confederation with extremely high amount of self-governance with representation in the galactic senate that determines how they're ruled?
The only way to increase the self rule the systems have is legalizing sedition and destroying the supervisory bodies the central government has.
The central power that the Imperium enforces is the worst kind though. Instead of allowing for true competition between planets, they enforce uniformity, not allowing themselves to progress technologically.
thats not true
It is true. Their fricking tech-center is a religion.
the uniformity thing is false otherwise we wouldn't get the variation of guard companies and marines etc.
Technological uniformity isn't a given either
, factions get into exclusivity deals with the ad mech.
Nobody is preventing a planetary governor from making guns on a Feudal world or a Feral world.
Just try to strap those guns to an AI then.
If you make AI as a human faction before nu-squats, even by accident, it will kill everyone on the planet.
the votann are basically mini-warp gods like the Emperor.
99% chance the Emperor is the Votann
Yea, AI and Warp frickery are banned and if you get big enough without political clout, politicians are gonna frick you over.
The first two points exist for a reason and the third point can't be eliminated because anyone who establishes himself as top dog of any competition would invariably defend that position with the backing of the body politic.
>galactic senate
This isn't Star Wars
Imperium has a senate. A fricking massive and corrupt one, but that's what you get when you have 10 000 years time to let corruption worm it's way in.
I have played this game for 20 years and have never thought of this.
its because that anon is some troll thats been spamming it in everythread over the last year
I don't think it's just one guy. It rings true, I'm pretty sure it's just caught on.
Like look at this.
If that isn't antichrist shit I don't know what is.
calling things the anti-christ is basically the lowest tier of Christian online shitposting.
It really is the same guy though, he says it because hes offended the Emp is Christ-like.
He fits the second coming of Christ more
>Christ returns as a conquerer
>Conquers the entire world defeating Warlords and despots
Also the second coming will never claim they are Jesus.
oh and Christ returns with a sword
Does he also enslave humanity into an omnicidal shitshow of an empire held together by force and a religion centered around glorifying himself and humanity as a whole that also includes mass daily human sacrifice?
The Emperor didn't do that brainlet.
Except Christ WINS in the second coming of the Bible. The Emperor lost.
not necessarily in the second coming there will be a final test by evil, like the Horus Heresy.
Also the Emperor didn't lose Horus died, The Emperor ascended to a God
Jesus doesn't ascend to God, he is God.
the Emperor is not Jesus, you moron, neither is the second coming. They don't believe in reincarnation you larping c**t.
Jesus isn't dead you idiot
why do you keep trying to bring the discussion back to theology. Do you realise 40k is not real, everything is metaphorical not exact nor does it have to be.
Your religion is irrelevant to the topic you idiotic shitposting imbecile,
You're the one who tried to make it about religion by comparing the Emperor to Jesus, not me.
Its metaphorical. Also you are lying you made it religious, why are you a liar?
Are you too low iq to understand when someone says something is similar to something its not actually the thing?
You can't claim something is a metaphor and then hide behind it "being a metaphor" when people point out how dissimilar the two are.
your political views are completely irrelevant to the topic,
Anyway to point out in the second coming the church doesn't claim to know what will come after.
So your argument, is pretty fricking stupid. You really come off as someone pretending to be christian to start a flame war.
Nobody mentioned politics, schizo.
You have to stop gay, you keep wanting an off topic theological argument but im going to continue not giving it to you and cucking you.
You came into the thread (which you made i know) and said a lot of stupid things.
Like the Emperor lost.
Did Jesus lose when he was crucified?
How did the Emperor lose? He was already a god too.
The Emperor did not fricking lose. This is just idiotic Ganker shit you are trying to inject into /tg/
A metaphor doesn't have to be exact, it is not literal. You stupid americ**t.
neither is the Emperor but your pretend god is dead and buried and worm food you moronic nut.
powerful ass dude on a golden throne overseeing his slowly crumbling empire, he really is the imperium personified, thousands of sacrifices a day just keep his psykic energy at an operable level, so the imperium sacrifices millions each day to operate
>same moronic bait thread as all the others
just check the archive
>um daddy!
>he is da anti-christo
>he is not a real god real gods are not real
>What is the appeal of the emperor as a character?
Fictional surrogate dad for biotrash who grew without one.
>escaped DaOT gestalt super being with highly advanced autism
The idea is kinda neat
I know technically the canon answer is that he's a super shaman or whatever but that never really sat right with me.
>I know technically the canon answer is that he's a super shaman or whatever but that never really sat right with me.
If you want to multiply the moronation while having an out, just imagine DAoT using super science and warp magic to retroactively better mankind, Xeele-style. So they send a weapon into the past to guide humanity from the very beginning, and then aid in the creation of an even superior weapon to send him into the past, the cycle repeating itself until no improvement can be made and a stable time loop is reached.
Up to you to decide if the emperor is the first iteration of the many, the last, a combination of all the iterations and/or if he betrayed his creators in some manner.
Leto II was a very interesting and great character while the 40k emperor is just badly written because the black library writer's suck.
40k emp is supposed to be this mysterious ethereal God, kinda like the Christian relation with God. A bit like Buddha too.
The only thing they share is one of their titles. Dune influences on 40k are overrated. Those 2 characters are nothing alike and are not meant to be alike. They have as much to do with each other as Theoden with Robert Baratheon, who were both kings in a fictional setting and that's it.
>Dune influences on 40k are overrated
Correct, people just say it to accuse GW of plagiarising
Emperor is more just inspired by the tarot card.
>The only thing they share is one of their titles.
My dude, their stories are the same. In both cases you have a prescient super being who predicts the destruction of the species. He then decides to take total control over the species so he can guide its development until his guidance is no longer needed (Golden Path). Both are described as highly calculated and cold. Both of them even end up making the ultimate sacrifice for the species. Leto engineers his own death, The Emperor accepts the Throne.
The Emperor is Leto II except he is a failed version of him. Where Leto II has perfect prescience, the Emperor is limited. Where Leto II has no enemies worth speaking of, The Emperor has Chaos. Both have relied on legions of soldiers to enforce their "peace".
Funnily enough Leto's Fish Speakers are all female because he believed an all male army would eventually turn on those it protects unless it was constantly fed external enemies. Also, men apparently had to be weaned off the adolescent homosexual military nonsense. Cue the Space Marines, an all male army that turns on those they were supposed to protect.
It's as if somebody read the book and said: "What if this, but everything goes horribly wrong?"
He is the boogeyman representing ADB's daddy issues
Sky daddy is a marry sue
It was said that once you had seen Him or heard Him speak you were never in doubt that He was the One and had always been the One. He had been the Emperor long before such an office was created. No one knew His birth name because He had always, naturally, been the Emperor of Mankind.
There was a palace built on top of the world. It was not so much as palace and more like a magnificent golden crown that straddled the highest mountains on that planet. A stunning and awe inspiring symbol and unequivocal proof that He had achieved the impossible. He had united the warring tribes, creeds and factions of that planet after centuries of warfare. He had brought peace to his species. He had raised his species from the abyss. And He placed them at their rightful place above all else in the universe.
..Even the artisan masters of the masonic guilds famous for their sanctimonious craft wars and vainglorious quarrels. They put aside their differences and shut up and built The Palace for Him..
That fact that he's at least 3 times as wide as a human should be.
A Mock Messiah figure to give mouthbreathers something to argue over while the Black Ships keep killing a thousand souls a day to keep a faulty lighthouse running.
Arguing about the Emperor doesn't seem wise, anon.
I love humanity
i'll never get over how morons think metaphors are literal
I don't think there is one unless you unironically enjoy the ultra-nihilistic, anti-civilization/anti-Western type tone and story Warhammer goes for. The Emperor is basically the writers projecting things they don't like onto a character (including ADB's dad, literally) while simultaneously attacking the concept of heroes or "Great Men" in history in typical post-modernist fashion.
tl;dr the appeal by default is nothing unless you're a cynical edgy leftist and the appeal for most people online is making up a version of the emperor in their heads that never existed
covers everything in gold
this thread is garbage just Gankerpol/ homosexualry to bait 40k fans into theological arguments
i can't take this guy seriously, it has to be a fedora larping as a Christian idiot
>The Emperor hated religion
So did Jesus, he said the religions were dead inside.
The Imperium is the inverse skulls on the outsude light on the inside
"my dad can beat your dad" arguments
He's trying his best.
the emperor works best as an element of the setting.
the idea of this mortal god being that's been crippled for thousands of years and survives as shell of his former self thanks to ancient and lost technology and now lives in eternal agony as he fights off the ever growing forces chaos is the coolest thing about the 40k setting to me.
Personally like the idea that Emps was a DAoT weapon that was left outside of its box.
The Emperor Protects
Big Man
Big Sword
Simple as.
I wouldn't know. There's no canon material that includes him as an active figure instead of an ancient dead guy on a throne.
Not so much the Emperor per se, but more how he influences other characters in the setting: I think there's much that is interesting and enjoyable to read in the idea of characters with moral certainty, an unabashed sense of purpose, right and wrong (although they may still agonise over how best to achieve this). This is something that has been largely lost in the modern world and culture/media where the dominating narrative is of moral relativism, shifting values, acceptance of different beliefs held by others (and I'm not implying this is altogether a bad thing). In modern fiction it leads to an endless succession of anti-heroes, snarky types too enlightened to believe in anything, etc. That's not necessarily bad, but it's so commonplace than it makes the devoted fanatics in 40K seem novel and compelling. A character dedicated to a leader or institution is practically guaranteed to be a dupe or an outright villain. I don't think I've seen a genuinely well-intentioned, truly devoted (or religious) character who clearly makes the world around them a better place outside of 40K, unless it's in something produced over a half-century ago
The emperor provides a fulcrum for morally certain characters in 40K. Certainly not all 40K characters are like this, but the ones who are are the only genuinely novel thing remaining in 40K. Otherwise you end up with stuff like the Abnettverse, which could easily be in any other setting. Gulliman, for example, is interesting because it feels entirely plausible that he isn't just in it for his ego, isn't a dupe, but also seriously does want the Emperor's plans for a triumphant humanity to succeed more than anything else
Advert for the tiny plastic models they want to sell to you.
He's literally me
is the hitler of the future
He is the only source of goodness, severe and drastic. There is no other source of hope than him. He is agonisingly alone.