What Vns are good? I've only ever "played" steins gate, katawa shoujo and the fate/zero
What Vns are good? I've only ever "played" steins gate, katawa shoujo and the fate/zero
What Vns are good? I've only ever "played" steins gate, katawa shoujo and the fate/zero
>vn
>good
lmao read a book homie
no
ok
homie THATS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO
>open a book
>it's all just text without puctures
Stein Gate VN, Fate Stay Night, Umineko, Higurashi, Little Busters, everyone have more text that the Bible, War and Peace (Leo Tolstoy), In Search of Lost Time (Marcel Proust) or The Man Without Qualities (Robert Musil)
If the complete works of William Shakespeare are put in VN format the playtime could be only 3 hours, the other VNs are 60 hours or more. It's weird how VNs are the longest examples of literature created by the human civilization.
>Stein Gate
homie assmad cuz Eroge is the highest artform humans have made
Entry level popular stuff:
Ace Attorney, 999, Danganronpa
More niche:
Chaos Head, Your turn to die, Subahibi, Kimi to kanojo to kanojo to kanojo no koi, Raging Loop
>Ace Attorney, 999, Danganronpa
Those are not really visual novels, they have actual gameplay so they are more like adventure games
have a nice day
Utawarerumono and don't read the remake unless you're an eunuch
NTA but wasn’t Raging Loop trash because you couldn’t skip the text and had to replay it like 9 times? Or was that something else
Wrong game, raging loop is nothing like that.
I can’t remember what the game was, it came out like a year ago and everyone was talking about how garbage it was because you couldn’t skip or FF text
Damn this is gonna be bothering me
Must be something else
Raging Loop was great. Last third and especially the ending got a little silly in a bad way, but there was some chuunikino to be had and the first 2/3rds were fantastic
>raging loop was recommended by ex
>can't continue my gameplay now cuz it's obviously associated with her
I know this is irrelevant info but it really makes me feel bad cuz the VN was somewhat enjoyable. I wasn't in love with it or anything but it was pretty fun to go through. I was on the second loop.
If anything, that should help you relate with the protagonist
kek fair enough. I didn't think of it this way.
Anon
is right. It'll make the experience even better for you. And when you're done, we can all read your thoughts about it
What he said
Also the last part is gonna be a significant downgrade sadly
You're likely mixing Raging Loop with 999 on DS, which didn't have a skip function and required you to replay the game from the beginning with no convenient flowchart like its sequels. Despite this limitation it remains the best way to experience the story as it was written, the remasters adding unnecessary voice acting and removing the bottom narrative screen are moronic and ruin everything about the game.
If you really want to play 999, just do it on a mobile DS emulator, like Drastic or MelonDS on android. Fast-forwarding at 600% speed is basically skipping.
When does subahibi get good. Frick this yuri gag shit.
It's interesting to note that out of the three visual novels you've cited, only Katawa Shoujo is intellectually honest in its presentation and themes. It's entry-level, knows its purpose and target audience. It also shows a surprisingly good understanding of the culture, game design and literary devices behind the medium. The art and music might be amateurish but it is truly a beautiful collection of realistic romance stories with realistic girls that you still want to idolize, despite being born out of western minds. (... If we ignore Shizune's bad end route in the final version.)
Now compare KS to Fate and Steins;Gate. All you see are corny, childish wish-fulfillment trash stories written for the lowest common denominator: lonely otaku manchildren seeking for waifus to obsess over. But what makes them truly horrendous is the fact they're hiding their core behind autistic levels of shonen chuuni shit in the case of Fate, and amateurish character drama surrounded by outdated 2ch memes in the case of Steins;Gate. It's fascinating to think about how westerners hold these titles in high regard, just because they did the bare minimum in obfuscating their true nature; it makes the average ironic weaboo think those works are above the standardized, sterile and inoffensive moe garbage they usually consume. Their lengths also contribute to this effect, as the sunk cost fallacy in reading repetitive prose that gets nowhere creates the illusion of proper world-building and character development.
Oh boy this one will get a lot of replies, you can tell
Go back to your general, troony. Oh wait, you probably lost count. Lol
Only because you have broad vocabulary doesn't prove you're media literate, the fact you ignore the themes Type Moon and SciADV carry and just reduce the stories to
> lonely otaku manchildren seeking for waifus to obsess over.
and saying they hide this core with shonen and chunni is proof of this. go take your blog somewhere else or at least get to the point and say why you think these stories are bad
You are clearly stupid.
Post way too savage for the braindead nasuturds and sci;adv Redditors.
Phase 2 never
Didn't even read the copypasta
Just gonna say that Nasu lives rent free in your head
>Comparing Steins;Kino to Nasushit
The only thing those two have in common is being entry level. Otherwise they are completely different.
>Steins;Kino to Nasushit
Case in point
silent hill F will flop kek
Holy based i agree KS was cute and nice, but the other 2 I utterly avoided and actively hate the fanbase, the sloppiest of weebslop pseud crap
>intellectually honest
Black person go fricking castrate yourself you midwit homosexual.
Seething brainlet
NTA but your post is how I would judge people who use "intellectually honest" because they think it makes them sound smart when it doesn't really fit on top of the term itself already being redundant from the get go.
>because they think it makes them sound smart
you didn't disprove anything said tho
He never proved anything to begin with. It's a very superficial and subjective surface level analytic of the works, not even worth replying to
Why give those people (you)s at all then. To onlookers it sounds like you just replied but didn't have an argument to reply with and you're deflecting now
Try turn your brain on when you read posts and you'll see signs of a different person. The guy you replied to doesn't even finish his posts with periods.
>t.Doki Doki literature club gamer
>It's interesting to note that out of the three visual novels you've cited, only Katawa Shoujo is intellectually honest in its presentation and themes
I can't counter anything said in this post.
Because it says nothing
>fails to understand Steins;Gate
>doesn't appreciate the alignment of theming, premise and character personalities
>reveals himself a verbose twit, the worst kind
Like seriously, how do we still have people who don't get why the story directly based on internet shitposting features memespouting nerds in the most notoriously nerdy area of Japan?
>Like seriously, how do we still have people who don't get why the story directly based on internet shitposting features memespouting nerds in the most notoriously nerdy area of Japan?
Did you get it? I unironically don't know why it's like that. I love Steins gate a lot but I don't read much so some of the intricacies went over my head.
You really don't see the connection between internet lore and internet nerds?
>what makes them truly horrendous is the fact they're hiding their core behind autistic levels of shonen chuuni shit in the case of Fate,
this kek
Same applies to Tsukihime, Dies Irae, Subahibi, Muv-Luv alternative, Muramasa. It's like teenagers will who tell you in a straight face to read Naruto, Mirai Nikki or Bleach for their mature storytelling compared to genuine westoid slop. Everything in those stories is solved by asspulls, incoherent power levels and who screams the loudest about their abilities.
All you have to do is have characters express their motives or states of being through empty philosophical platitudes and ramblings for weebs to think they're reading something smart.
Even ambitious plotge got away with this. Uchikoshi just has to copy-paste a Wikipedia article about a mind experiment with high-school level understanding word by word using one of his characters in Ever17 or Zero Escape, and you have thousands who will think it's a smart story. Ryukishi writes the same line 36 times in 1 hour to hammer down a concept and media illiterate weebs will think it was good writing.
I need to know how to trigger people for (you)'s like this.
Just reply to yourself a lot anon.
>All you see are corny, childish wish-fulfillment trash stories written for the lowest common denominator: lonely otaku manchildren seeking for waifus to obsess over.
I mean, that's what sells. In my opinion it makes those titles more "intellectually honest" than midwit milquetoast stuff like Katawa Shoujo
Tbh once you're no longer a teen 99% of these stories (and anime in general) feel brazenly childish and sloppily written, with the 1% being ones that don't take themselves seriously.
At this stage you have to migrate to "real" books/shows or else limit fiction to brainless entertainment without much sentimental value.
For instance I remember finding Dies Irae to be the coolest and most profound shit in existence during middle school. But when I revisited it for nostalgia's sake halfway through my undergrad, I legitimately struggled to go through a few sentences without audibly cringing. I very occasionally read through some seinen for fun but it genuinely confuses me how many adults are crazy over stories expressly written for children.
I'm 30 in a couple of months and the peak Key VNs are still damn near the height of fiction as an artform as far as I'm concerned. I've also read a lot more books than I ever have visual novels, doesn't change my opinion at all. And TV/movies are just absolute garbage in comparison, it's very rare that they even get to the level of the schlockiest VNs or books. You and other normalgays should just get over yourselves.
>Key VNs
I'm not denying that there are probably some that still hold up for adults, but almost the entirety of even the most respected ones fall really flat under the scrutiny that a teenager would overlook. As an example a few months ago I finished Fata Morgana, apparently a candidate for the greatest VN and held in extremely high regard unanimously from what I've seen online. While it was still decent overall, there are dozens of mishaps in the apparently peerless writing that I would've overlooked as a kid (The torture scene in the last act in particular was offensively bad). While it was maybe an 8/10 being extremely generous, I could confidently say that if I had read it when I was 15 it would've been my favorite vidya.
>TV/movies are just absolute garbage in comparison, it's very rare that they even get to the level of the schlockiest VNs
I don't know what capeshit you're watching but it sounds more like poor choosing on your part.
most books you'll see at the barnes & noble bestseller list also fall apart under basic scrutiny. you're trying to compare 20-30 years of visual novels tailored for a very specific audience to the entire history of human literature when the better point of comparison is the type of market that puts out books like 50 shades of gray. most literature is dogshit, it's just that it has such a long history that you can easily pick out the diamonds.
all literature, vns or books, is written by people. it isn't fundamentally different to the point where literature itself is some sort of higher artform; the main difference is how long the artform has existed and the fact that vns, as relatively new as they are, haven't branched out much from their initial target demos.
additionally, every year MORE books are written than vns. so it stands to reason you're going to be able point to better examples of books in any given year.
The whole teenager/adult thing you're so concerned about is the problem. It's quintissential normalgay behaviour. You're not thinking about the VN, or the book, you're thinking about how it reflects on your image of yourself, or whether it is socially acceptable for some demographic or whatever.
Of course you'd be more likely to name something your favourite when you were younger, that's just because you had less to compare it to then. If you've read 3 books, it's not surprising when the 4th book ends up being your favourite. When you've read 300 books, it's very unlikely that the 301st will be your favourite. There isn't much more to it than that.
Also, lots of classic universally acclaimed literature has parts that would be considered shit writing if they were released today. None of that really matters.
If you have something to complain about with a particular VN, fair enough. I wasn't a huge fan of Fata Morgana myself. But your general points about VNs as a medium, or claims that you have to be a teenager to think highly of them, are bollocks.
I'd argue that classic literature is incredibly overrated for social and cultural, more than any bonus VNs get from teenagers, and it should be very obvious that that's the case when you think about it from a statistical point of view. Old books had the massive advantage that there was almost nothing to compare them to. I haven't ran the numbers, but I'd guess that there were a lot more books written so far in this first quarter of the 21st century than there were throughout all human history before then combined, it'd be a very strange coincidence indeed for all of the best books to be older than that, and yet that's what a lot of people apparently believe.
Get over yourself homosexual, you're not nearly as intelligent or special as you think you are
he's trolling or moronic, either way his opinion is irrelevant
I'm 30 and still think Dies Irae is kino. I have autism though
How about you take the fun pill homosexual
I've been reading "real" books since I was 15 years old. I'm 34 and I still enjoy VNs.
This just sounds like you've outgrown the immaturity of the medium, but not your own. You've gone from earnest enjoyment to concern with whether it fits your demographic and whether you'd b made fun of for consuming this sort of media.
At some point you ought to realize that most classics of "true literature" aren't nearly as special as lit grads make them out to be. They're obviously better written and mature, but full of their own flaws, often overwrought, stuffed with irrelevant rambling metaphors, people talking like theatrical villains, awful pacing, and so on. Too many of these stories are read through the lens of "masterpiece" because that's what everyone told you years before you picked up the book.
Once you learn to turn a critical eye to works of acclaimed literature same as you do to VNs, you should realize there's no real reason to be ashamed of enjoying shitty stories if you're not a coward afraid of your tastes being judged.
wahoo
This whole lowest common denominator thing needs to stop. I can't even read your post now
Steingays are shaking
Because it's an untrue shitpost samegayged with (You)s. But you'd have to be smarter to know that.
I didn't reply to myself once
You're right, I replied to myself a lot.
>(You) Still haven't realized that this is Jeremybarryclone baiting for engagement and half if not more of the (you)s are xers
C'mon VNbros.
Nice breasts Rei.
>POV: You're saving your game in Barkley: Shut Up and Jam: Gaiden
There is not a single good OELVN so this post is contrarian in disguise
>not one argument against this post in all those replies
So he won?
You do bring up some good points but I don't really agree with the way you framed it.
>corny, childish wish-fulfillment trash stories
>they're hiding their core behind autistic levels of shonen chuuni shit
>amateurish character drama surrounded by outdated 2ch memes
>it makes the average ironic weaboo think those works are above the standardized, sterile and inoffensive moe garbage they usually consume
>sunk cost fallacy in reading repetitive prose that gets nowhere creates the illusion of proper world-building and character development.
Obviously 99% of VN's can't be taken as serious literature due to the existence of the shitty anime/otaku tropes within that bog down otherwise interesting and serious ideas, but that's literally the appeal of it.
It's not meant to be on the level of Blood Meridian/Moby Dick/Republic/War and Peace or whatever other meme book is considered serious mature good literature.
It's meant to take interesting aspects of literature, certain components that make them unique and add those to anime/manga/light novel type of writing.
Fate isn't hiding it's true shonen nature with all it's prose, dialogue, details or anything like that at all, it's combining it.
People like sex, people like "interesting" prose, people like longwinded details, people like long exposition, people like infodumps, and so on.
So why not take cool writing elements you like and just add it to shitty anime writing?
The goal of VN's is literally otaku works presented with a "higher art" aesthetic, there's nothing wrong with using literature as a style for low brow bullshit.
Like imagine taking Charlotte's Web/Cat in the Hat/Harry Potter or some other kids book but written in the style of Poe/Kafka/McCarthy, while childish and not real literature does make for a fun read.
You're taking the praise of VN's by fans as a masterpieces within the VN genre as being comparable to real literature when that was never the intended outcome from the writers.
>serious
>real
>high
Anyone who actually uses these when talking about artistry is completely up themselves. Look at you unable to stop yourself from sneering at VNs while "defending" them.
How did you miss the point so badly?
You do realize that part of living in society is using words that we all understand to mean certain things regardless of whether we like them or not right?
Whether you agree on calling art serious/real/high has no bearing on the fact that you understand what's being communicated and what's being referenced in regards to some greater point being made.
where's The Poop That Took a Pee?
Subahibi and Sakuuta is better than the entirety of literature 'classics' and its not even close.
Otaku works have some very specific merits that no other medium can attempt or even tries to. I could explain it to a Philistine such as yourself but its better experienced firsthand
Umineko is really good if you like mystery and theorycrafting. If you like these aspects in a story you should commit to 07th Expansion and SciADV since they're really good franchises for this sort of thing, but no one will tell you this of course because they'd rather linger in 10+ year old shitty drama that people keep regurgitating without proper reason. They'd rather just be quirky xd gays that want to flex how niche their latest read was.
>Umineko is really good if you like mystery
lol, the only mystery is why so many troons praise it while having the shittiest pacing in the medium. The music and setting were the best part about it.
>"played"
at least you acknowledge that VNs aren't actually games
VN are games for the sole fact that I can btfo anyone who says Planescape or Silent hill 2 have the best story in gaming
Clannad and kanon are good.
The House in Fata Morgana.
Slay the Princess is kino
This.
StP mogs other VNs into oblivion without even needing tens of hours to complete.
GYATTTTT!
I read it. No it doesn't mog others. But its still amazing how it emotionally gets you in just a couple of hours of reading rather 10-50 hours of reading when comparing to other VNs
>Damsel playing the triangle
Even funnier than Witch somehow
I thought adversary would've been a concussionist but that looks good on her
it depends what kind of story you want so how about you define your interests before asking
Clannad, you'll need a guide eventually though. its beautiful and genuinely made me cry (and other homosexual things)
>and other homosexual things
such as?
gay for sunohara
i ship sunohara and the football team personally
Why were the soccergays such gays?
gay for kappei
Actual fujo women and losers reading vn
OP this is going to sound like a shitpost (NPI) but play My Sister Can't Have A Hemorrhoid. It's only a few hours long. Take a leap of faith and trust a fellow anon to not be a scatgay. You can get it free on F95zone.
Yume Miru Kusuri is really fricking good, if a bit bizarre.
I like Totono.
Kikokugai is good too
Steel Witch Annerose
An honest question from a complete stranger to VNs. What is the appeal compared to reading a book? Books have been for a long time and pretty much all niches are filled with a higher quality threshold. Are you in only for cliché anime moments that are not funny without images?
And a follow-up: I imagine VNs are not as socially acceptable as regular anime now. Do you hide that your play them?
Sex scenes
They're literally the evolution of the medium, sure it can have some interactibility or maybe not, but the point is that you're getting yourself engrossed in a story much like a book while having the extras of voice acting, soundtrack, atmosphere, visuals, all that jazz. And if you're reading something in the meta genre thats something books can't do as well as a VN.
I don't hide that I play them because I think any anime enjoyer that can actually sit down and read manga can also enjoy a VN. Why the frick would I hide something that I'm passionate about? Frick the stigma of people automatically thinking VNs are just porn because they can be much more than that, as any other book can, as any other game can, as any other form of art can.
>can be much more than porn
still they just can't release an all-ages vinnie without a nuclear meltdown in vngays' asses and a plummet in already modest sales
it is porn, plain and simple
Just because porn sells more it doesn't define the medium you gay, many high profile VNs are not 18+, also I have no clue what you mean about the "nuclear meltdown in vngays asses" the VN reader bubble has a shitton of schizoids and this is one of the most bipolar communities i've ever seen, I dont give a frick if dumbasses think VNs NEED PORN in order to be good, they dont. Like any other form of storytelling. Get the frick outta here with that brainlet logic
>a shit ton of schizoids
true, and they think if literally them (a MC) does not frick a heroine, it is NTR, so no buy (but enjoy in secret), and since they are a shit ton, they drive the market
The soundtrack and voice acting do often add a ton. Imagine reading a classic that has a soundtrack built specifically for not only the book but particular moments within it. I find myself listening to the higurashi soundtrack pretty regular.
>What is the appeal compared to reading a book?
Vns have Music, voice acting and cgs/sprites. Also, I like how some vns use routes to flesh out their characters and themes. I don't really give a shit about what medium is better and don't only read one medium.
There are vn adaptations of classic books
Sounds like an interesting idea, not aware of the examples though. Got a few to drop for me? My hesitation is that its gonna be Don Quixote but hes a kawai waifu now or some shit.
Prince of the Stars and The Dandelion Girl are good. The rest are otome games or shtty low budget English vns
unironically can someone recommend me some fricking good books? holy i've been trying to get into literature but all I get are
>western novels all about degenerate stuff SEXXXX SEXXX SEXXXX
>japanese novels that start off well but then just get too unnecessarily edgy with RAPE SEXXXX RAPE SEXXX SUICIDE SEXXX SEXXXX also the dumb science fiction infodump sections, usually incomplete as frick too
like I get VNs are also SEXX SEXX SEXX but idk I feel more okay with those than novels having a somewhat "whoa im so mature and serious and then suddenly SEXXX SEXX I STICK MY PENIS INSIDE HER URETHRA AND THROAT AND GO BACK AND FORTH LIKE A FLUTE"
Classic Russian literature. Dostoyevsky, Tolstoi, all kino. Modern literature has to be over the top to stand out, so don't bother.
eh, i do want something more contemporary. classics are nice and all but i do want something with a little flash which most classics don't really have.
the recent books ive been reading was the ring trilogy and while the first book was eh, second book was interesting but also kinda eh, the third book had one moment in the story that I was just like "wait....what's the fricking point of this? why did they put an edgy moment just to be edgy", it's like the dogrape in subahibi. I understand WHY they put it in there but I feel that it didn't really add anything to the plot except for the sake of "haha look how edgy i am"
I haven't read a modern book in a minute, Blood Meridian was very good. Its kind of edgy in an over the top violence way but its not just for the sake of shock. Whenever I get into a reading slump I just pick up and read a bit of Don Quixote, the book truly has everything. Feels timeless, fricking hilarious, and deep enough to have a bit of a think.
i'll note both down. i have blood meridian but haven't gotten into it yet. im steering a little away from western authors due to their tendency to be edgy for the sake of it. like i swear to god everytime i try a western novel, it always has like the trashiest characters like it's trying to be shameless (the tv show) or something.
what genres do you like?
i just want something more like murakami's shit but you know...actually complete and maybe with an actual story.
i think i was reading ishiguro or something but it was the one with the dude who takes the blame in killing a widow's husband and kills a homeless guy to create a crime but idk why the japanese do this but there was a shit ton of middle chapters dedicated to math (literally fricking why this has nothing to do with the plot at all) just for the sake of it.
japanese authors really REALLY love dumping wikipedia knowledge and it's starting to annoy the shit out of me. i mean VNs do it too. how many times have you seen BTW YOU KNOW WHAT SCRODINGERS CAT IS?????
oh but genres, i want more
Psychological/horror/thriller/drama/action stuff. i want to feel some anguish people.
he "read" fate zero like lmao what. fate zero isn't a vn
neuromancer and journey to the west are mandatory Ganker readings
Books with sound, music, voice acting, and an occasional animated scene. Books amplified, pretty much.
images and music elevate the writing which puts them on par with most modern fiction novels
What's the appeal of anything compared to anything else?
Both books and VNs are way too individual for any general comparison between the categories. Most books are shit and I bounce off them. Most VNs are also shit and I bounce off them too. But some books I enjoy, and some VNs I enjoy, and the reasons are usually completely different from book to book or VN to VN, if I can even articulate them at all.
1. pictures and audio provide more stimulation
2. smaller bits of text are easier to follow than walls of text on a page especially in longer sessions
3. they tend to be written specifically for people like me and appeal to my fantasies and preferences
>and pretty much all niches are filled with a higher quality threshold
Yes I truly can wait to read a westoid romance story and find out the girl is not a virgin and has taken 10 different strains of semen(2 from black men) the protagonist being a cuck, moronic woman drama, cuckoldry and cheating everywhere from both sides, the woman controlling the relationship and watching Black person everywhere because is a westoid book
You would definitely enjoy White Album 2
>smaller bits of text are easier
Zoom-zoom?
>appeal to my fantasies
And there you have it. It is coomershit.
i'm 33
and yeah, i like romance tailored toward NEETs, so what
You couldn't make Sona nyl a book, no matter what
hakuchuumu was great. No clue how bad the translation is but it's good in jp. The all ages ver has more content and some stuff was rewritten to what the author wanted so play that if you do pick it up
muvluv (the whole thing)
underwater ray romano
muramasa
anyone who likes fate is a coomer. anyone who likes steins gate is a normie.
>muvluv
>it is an actual non-shortened title
ahahaha what is that moronic gay shit LMAO and you want people to take this shit seriously?
it's cuck shit.
Still does not explain the moronic title
MC is seething because he doesn't get to go home with his teacher.
Shut up, Dog of the System.
Not the same guy, but I almost got brain damage from trying to read Muv Luv. Do I really have to finish it in order to go to Alternative?
You don't HAVE to, you can just skip two thirds of the story and immediately start at le hype boom boom bim bang part and say it's shit because you missed out on everything.
Or you can just not play them and move on
Perhaps I will speed watch it on youtube and then actually read Alternative on my Deck
Alex Yiik is now in anime VN?
I thought the same thing lmao
>underwater ray romano
Hello Ironic weeb, the KFC dating sim general is the other direction
That doesn't even make sense.
>see cool vn
>10 hours of padding between the interesting points
>every time
why cant vn writers just do it like saya no uta and make every moment something interesting? surely the average for a visual novel doesnt need to be 100+ hours
The average isn't 100+. Just the shit ones from tone works and umineko
They are pretty long winded at times but Higurashi and Umineko truly are peak. Read through them both last year and was very impressed. Preferred Higurashi a tad more and I think its more approachable, I would start there. First chapters free on steam you'll know if you're down by the time it ends.
>peak
Kys zoomie
i generally like ryushiki07 work but i think he sucks ass when combining all the plot points together. umineko is frustrating for reasons that i don't want to explain because it'll trigger "THEM". i was reading his other manga and they're fun horror manga. even though i may not like his "twists" or the ending/finale. usually his build up and characters are really fun to read. can't wait for what he'll do for Silent Hill.
ryukishi really suffers from long-term planning issues and just writing piece by piece as he goes with only a loose idea of how he wants things to progress. you can see it in higurashi and umineko really clearly, somewhat in rose guns days, and kind of in higanbana (which is only 2 parts)
he gets way too up his own ass about the emotions and feelings behind things mostly due to his own history as a social worker, and he's capable of writing pretty poignant stuff when he dials it back a little bit, so it's a shame he has this tendency to self-destruct his own tone
despite all this i would still call umineko an easy top 5 vn because it has so many good things about it
>at times
Literally every third sentence is a summary of the second, itself pointless repetition of the first. Newbie writers often say the same thing twice to pad out a passage, but that shit shouldn't survive editing.
I like Umineko but holy frick is that shit overwritten.
I've heard this argument thrown around for some time now, could you give some actual examples of this? As I read through I never really noticed it to be too repetitive, usually the line would simply add more to what is being shown
I enjoyed Planetarian
World End Syndrome is comfy as frick
I have played just katawa shoujo, ten years ago or so, I want to play another VN but I postpone this everytime
Desert Stalker
Websites that I need for VNs? I want to start but I don't know from where I should download and get translations.
ryuugames.com
nyaa.si
sukebei.nyaa.si
Thanks anon!
VNDB is a good as long as you use it as an actual resource and don't form your opinions off of it like some gays do, which is the equivalent as looking at something like MAL for Anime recommendations, take your own picks.
As for translations and downloads its always tricky as it depends what platforms they are, hold old, if they have translations or not etc. JAST is a good platform to buy shit on too.
Check the /vn/ general thread for more info they have this pretty good recommendation chart on there. https://files.catbox.moe/j3dd0n.png
Thanks!
uhh saya no uta
is demonbane worth it?
Read Tsukihime. You already read Fate, so no harm in reading more Type-Moon works.
He didn't read fate, he's just throwing that in there for some reason.
Steins;Gate isn't a good vn.
what's the dumbest twist you've ever read in a VN?
Looking for some recs for VN's that have a good story and are sci fi.
So far I have read
>tokyo necro
>muv-luv trilogy
>steins gate
IS full metal daemon murasama any good? how about the other science adventure vns
baldr sky? yes muramasa.
spoiler but utawarerumono maybe (more so the second and third game though)
>baldr sky?
shit i forgot that i read that one although i only did 1 route before quitting
I started underwater ray romano but it was kind of boring. I only just got up to the first battle though, is the series worth it? I actually played the prequel JRPG and loved it.
>loving the prequel jrpg
what the frick.
anyways yeah it's good. the first one is solidly good and then comes to a really wtf plot twist near the end.
second game has more worldbuilding and the best build up
third game has the highest highs but it also feels kinda rushed.
i'll be honest utawarerumono has a huge problem in all 3 games in which
>nothing happens
>nothing happens
>okay somethings happening
>OH SHIT NOW THINGS ARE STARTING TO RAMP UP
>oh it's over. wtf.
13 Sentinels. Emulate it if you don't have a PS5 or Switch
im like roughly 50% of the way through this game but its so hard to keep track of whats going on with who and the timeline of events. Not in a bad way, but i feel like i probably need to rewatch all of the stuff i have already unlocked just to understand what the frick is going on.
finishing the game will provide you a tool that makes things easier to parse, so feel free to go along for the ride and pick up any details at the end
Yeah its very hard to put everything together. Even after beating the game, you will spend a lot of time piecing stories. But they'll explain the main points on whats going on towards the end.
ty anons
meh i hate when people praise this too much especially journalists going omg this story is so original and fresh but I watched and read a lot of the referenced material and almost every fricking plot point is ripped from a sci fi manga. yes yes i get it's suppose to be a love letter to sci fi shit but come on literally EVERY fricking single plot point was a reference. feels a little cheap. like i swear every episode was just a reference to some movie. oh look it's megazone 23. oh look it's kimi no na wa. oh look it's the matrix.
that's cool and all but any given work is a synthesis of ideas the author has previously been exposed to and attempting to criticize a piece of media that is using something you've seen before is a reflection of your own memory first and the author's writing quality second in most cases
there are certainly people out there who plagiarize or never try to have original thoughts but you can't shit on 13 sentinels when the writing is such an earnest effort to do its own thing while combining other ideas into it
>do its own thing
i mean.....kinda but not really
oh look its drifting classroom oh look its macross oh look now its gundam. idk just felt cheap to me and i liked vanillaware otherstuff but maybe they were just copy and pasted of other media too. this felt way on the nose where it wasn't just cameos or references but actual plotpoints where it bothered me. oh look its terminator.
That seems like a really shallow way to view things where you're getting hung up over recognizing what's being referenced instead of what's actually happening. It's not just about using elements from other sci-fi properties but the way they're all woven together into a coherent narrative without any particular aspect or reference feeling out of place. For example with the terminator expy the T-1000 equivalent is genuinely a good guy, but the incomplete information that all the protagonists and (You) are working with makes it very easy to see him as an enemy until you get to later points in the story
so like arnold schrodinger?
T-1000 is robert patrick, have you watched Terminator 2?
Been playing this too. Got around 50% on both battle and story. Analysis still at 20% somehow.
It's wonderful. Yakisoba pan resonates with me.
Are you not getting S-Ranks on the missions or not doing the sub missions?
I've been doing both. Excluding the tutorial, got to the 2nd set of encounters thus far. Combat at 50%, analysis 20%
Muramasa is really, REALLY good. IMO hero route is the peak of the novel, but demon is also amazing
muramasa is okay, a bit too long and repetitive for my taste though. It's only really worth it for the true route, which is great.
Ever17
Danganronpa
Raging Loop
Chaos Head
>thread for pathetic virgins
because you're in it, correct. nice projection anon-kun
Please post more Faris
it totally took me out of it that the quirky protagonist just happened to be close friends with a celebrity idol who also happens to have inherited a political role that lets her decide the fate of Akihabra's development.
My favorite aspect of Faris is she's just as schizo as Okabe and sometimes able to even out-cringe him. She's my favorite.
Learn about suspension of disbelief before making cringe posts.
At least you're where you belong
>fate/zero
>vn
sure
Demonbane
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wait i thought demonbane and muramasa were the same vn, they're not?
Here's a short free one for you
https://store.steampowered.com/app/264380/Narcissu_1st__2nd/
>VNgays realizing their medium is subpar and utterly mogged even by gachashit
>gacha introduces VN elements to stay alive
>even RPGs do it now and became popular with normies like Persona 5.
Yeah bro... totally mogged...have a nice day. Your stupid ass brain can't understand VNs are embedded in other videogame genres because you're too focused in your little tribalism game
>VNs are so trash they get mogged by any other genre using it's same formula of storytelling
Kek, pathetic low bar medium.
Ok yeah, I either fell for the bait or you're extremely moronic
Bait? No no, you're just viewing it as such because it touches a nerve.
No I'm viewing it as such because there's no logic or reason for what you're saying unless I need to spell everything out from what I said. Games that have VN elements aren't comparable to VNs because they focus on other factors of the work, while VNs fully engage in giving you a rich story since it's all you fricking do in them. So once again, either you're trolling or you're moronic
>while VNs fully engage in giving you a rich story
Hahahahahaha.
>surely if I keep saying that VNs are le bad, the lonely overweight virgins on Ganker will think I'm so cool!!
If your life has come to this, might has well end it on the spot.
Again, read a fricking book, moron.
Name some books with cute anime girls, music, and extreme violence and sex and I will read them.
Ok
Karamazov Bros
Why do you pseud gays (who almost 100% don't actually read) always namedrop Dostoevsky, the western canon is fricking enormous at least mix it up once in a while.
Hey, I was pointing you in the correct direction. I have read that book by the way. Ok, you want an actual degenerate VN tier bullshit book? Read Notice by Heather Lewis. It will get you off
I read that and it was good, doesn't have much sex in it. Blood Meridian is good too
That wasn't me
>actual degenerate VN tier bullshit book
It's not about being degenerate, if you read VNs you will find things you would never find in any other piece of media.
Yeah Karamazov is not as explicit, but it has waifus, anime tier protagonists, and also a great story on top of it.
Its one of the few books that could have had a nice VN adaptation. Of course Ganker and every russian will crucify its VN creators for adapting it, but Im just saying.
>you will find things you would never find in any other piece of media
I guess there is some sort of interactivity in them, and VNs as a medium are stuck somewhere between audiobook and videogame s genre, so they are their own thing, so you may find unique stuff. For example, I liked that 4th wall thing Fata Morgana did in a certain chapter. Its unique, it spooped me, and cant replicated on other mediums.
Yeah, since I dont know japanese, I have to settle with that fan made translation.
So far, they seem to have kept those "inappropriate" stuff in the VN. This mostly reads as a disclaimer rather than a changes list.
>dostoyevksy babbie
Nabokov laughs at you midwits.
>Anon posts a pedo's recommendation notes
Kek, fitting for this thread
That is one way of admitting you're a complete moron who cannot appreciate quality literature.
>Anon has no arguments and resorts to plain insults
K. But how about forming your own opinion about what you coonsoom? Do you really need a dead guy to tell you what to like or not? Who gives a shit about what Nabokov thinks.
I like Dostoyevsky's work. I liked e-girlta as well
Gotta respect a guy who hates Camus and Sartre.
Damn, this guy thinks like that contrarian movie critic Armond White. This list reeks of edgy contrarianism and bitterness. Why is he like this?
Still a far better writer than you will ever be.
Im not even a writer, you schizo. What are you talking about?
I'm not doing this for you, a VNgay, to think I'm cool. I'm doing this because your medium is factually dying out because of the constant uninteresting Moege crap it puts out 95% of the time.
>Snoot Game
>I Wani Hug That Gator!
Plus mods for both. That's all.
I've not played Snoot Game yet but I just recently 100% Wani and man that's a fricking great game, sure small budget but I don't think that hurts it really
Had me bawling my eyes out at moments
Image related is what I drew for my E1 run
>fate zero
>VN
what the frick are you talking about
>All these morons getting mad at people liking VNS
What's the name of that one where the world is ending and it's very snowy and there's a group of teens trying to survive?
I got a couple hours into that and it seemed really good but put it down and it's on my old computer which isn't hooked up.
is this not swan song?
Definitely Swan Song. It has Yasaka Aroe, the autistic chick who runs around naked spraying her period blood on the snow
that was it, thank you. Don't remember the period blood in the snow but I wasn't all that far in it
Swan Song was great except the ending and the true route. Ending made my eyes roll with how edgy it was and the true ending was just everything being solved way too perfectly.
>true ending
But there are no confirmations it's the true ending, it's just the good one. Also while normal ending is edgy, can't remember the details though it definitely felt right.
It was when everyone started killing each other in the gym on fire instead of getting out.I agree it was better than the good/true/whatever ending, though. Definitely fit the themes that were being built up during the story more. An utsuge with a happy ending is silly.
heh, Fate/Zero isn't a VN, dude.
Play Taimanin Asagi or any Lilithsoft game, it will open your horizons for anything.
Not really a VN person at all so these are the only 3 I've actually read and enjoyed to the end. I have probably 10+ dropped ones.
Utawarerumono
Fata Morgana
13 Sentinels (if you count this as a VN; vndb doesn't)
13 Sentinels is like S;G but bad.
Does it even quality as a VN? I got removed from vndb entirely.
The vndb jannies got buttmad that it overtook Muv-Luv Alternative as the highest rated VN so they removed it from the site for "having too much gameplay". I actually agree with the decision on that principle (not sure why it's grouped as a VN when Remembrance shares many more similarities with point and click adventure games) but the fact that they also let Danganronpa and Hotel Dusk stay up shows they were just pissy about muv-luv being knocked down.
To be fair I have far more hours on the combat sections of 13 sentinels than in all danganronpa games combined as far as the gameplay part goes.
You haven't even played it moron
Steins; Gate is a time travel story
13Sar isn't a time travel story
There is literally nothing in common between the two narratively besides a single characters story which is taken from Source Code, not S;G
As a general rule I don't really engage with s;g gays and thend to view them as the rock bottom of these threads, along with the book autist.
What is this cope? 13 sentinels is the most predictable story in the genre but at least it is a game compared to troon gate
Oh shit I completely forgot I also played Death Mark to the end. NG and Shibito Magire are both on dropped status though. For some reason this genre is very hit and miss with me.
I recently stumbled across a psp VN called Sampaguita. It actually has animated segments, which is very extra for a VN game. I barely played it, but so far it looks very promising.
Is that a slightly brown tomboy? You motherfricker, I'm in.
Yeah. You are a guy who finds that brown girl named Maria one rainy night, and you carry her over to your house. She has amnesia and only remembers her name, but she is probably connected to some crime or something. I dont know much else.
I agree
She cute
I sure hope you're not playing the troony patch that comes with a literal trigger warning
>plebs ITT who havent played saya no uta
4 hours of fine art
>troons gate
>better than anything
Just read a fricking book.
Shalom Ganker
what are you, fricking gay?
Books are for commie gays.
I don't read anything without pictures.
Baldur's Gate 3
Chaos Child > Chaos Head >>> Stein's Gate
I only play chuunikino
I have this on my dropped list. Kasumi was turbo annoying.
You play for the Nazis anon. Marie and Rea's route (especially the last one) are excellent
Yeah the Nazis were okay, but the entire dynamic of MC and Kasumi was really getting on my nerves. MC is constantly annoyed (and so was I) with Kasumi just never fricking leaving him alone and just b***hing all the time about everything.
Common route is unfortunately the worst part of the game. After you get through it and Kasumi's route (which is the worst route of the game, only great parts are Bey vs Shirou and Trifa's mad schizo ramblings) and get into Kei's route, is a lot better.
You don't even see the Three Commanders, Reinhard or Mercurius in those parts, which are the big threats of the novel.
At this point I've heard some variation of this so many times that I've accepted I will eventually go back to this and give it another shot and try to stomach Kasumi to get to the supposed good parts. This just hasn't happened yet.
You should read Senshinkan
fricking chinese
Read Dies Irae for pure Chuunige.
Why is 麻雀 inversed?
>RING RING
>ctrl-f
>0 mentions of majikoi
Disco Elysium
test
>fate/zero
>VN
That's a fricking book series
You've never read a VN in your life.
How is Baldr Sky? I downloaded it off gog when this board was fearmongering about the pirate site becoming paywalled and it's been sitting collecting dust in my external HDD. Will I like it if my favorites are Higurashi and Ace Attorney?
no
play baldr force first for a lesser version of the same thing
I only play /ss/ vns
Are we all just misusing the word on purpose?
What's the consensus on Cloudy Days?
I've seen this on several boards in multiple places seemingly randomly today, what's the deal?
What's the consensus on saya no uta?
What's the consensus on Muv Luv?
Heard Gore screaming show is a good horror vn. Haven’t played it myself but from what I’ve heard it’s good?
It's GORE SCREAMING SHOW
Well played Gore, well played. Had a good laugh!
What are the best VNs on Steam Deck?
This was the most nonsense part of the VN. Glad the anime changed it completely.
besides the ones you mentioned, i enjoyed little busters, rewrite, kanon (artwork aside), hoshizora no memoria, tsukihime, kagetsu tohya, fate/hollow ataraxia, majikoi, dc 1 and 2
Makoto > Shiori > Naiyuki > Ayu > Mai
for me it's makoto ayu and nayuki
how could you hate shiori bro ;-; it's the best romance route in the game.
she's fine, i don't hate her
Makoto > Naiyuki > Ayu > Mai > Shiori
Shiori's character and route were boring, they should have dropped her and given Sayuri a real route instead.
i love you fellow makoto guy but damn putting shiori in last wtf. but yeah i agree sayuri was a real og and she's the only reason to do mai's route. it's funny how most people who read kanon think mai's route the best but it's so fricking slow and while i do get the metaphor ughhhh holy i dont care yes yes depression harms people yes yes the power of love it was all in her mind yes yes you're so smart jun maeda but frick the action magic shit was so fricking stupid lmao
not him but yea mai's route was the worst
Thoughts about Kara no Shoujo? Not shitposting I genuinely wanna know.
1 is very good
2 is a masterpiece
3 is a disaster
Euphoria
むすめいと, 相思相愛ロリータ, 甘園ぼ ~二人だけのヒミツの遊び~, ろーらいず!!!
I ship Sunohara's sister with my dick.
I was thinking of reading Aiyoku no Eustia. Is it good?
Best siscon ones?
>spend hours trying to find acta est fabula HD anniversary edition
>finally find it in some shady korean website
>confirm that it runs fine
>don't play
i strongly reccomend the zodiac trial and gnosia
Gnosia is cool. People should play it.
The menu music always makes me stop to hear it.
>the zodiac trial
Too bland and too western. I didn't like it.
>Gnosia
Now we're talking.
Gnosia is the most nothing VN I've played. The plot goes nowhere until the very end where it all happens in 30 minutes, the characters are two-note (maybe 3 if you are lucky), the RNG grind for random events that you have no way of knowing the triggers of and have to simply hope to activate in order to finish the game is obscene, the AI is braindead and easy to predict but can also randomly screw you unless you fail a lot and continue to get more points to put into your magic numbers to make it easier to wrangle, the music is constantly cutting out because each scene is 10 seconds long and jumping to the one-sentence meetings at night, the art's okay I guess. What the frick is there for people? It's an interesting idea but in execution it fails on almost all fronts for no good reason.
Skill issue
Muramasa, The labyrinth series, subahibi, white album 2, eustia.
>Muramasa
lol, I couldn't stomach all of the NTR and dropped it in the Hero route. The most overhyped garbage released in recent years, shilled by the greatest hack in the translation community.
Is that pic edited?
No.
what ntr
How is Hello, World? I saw its listing on vndb and thought it was curious that its such a massive nitroplus VN that I've literally never seen anyone talk about once. Too bad that it's only in Japanese or else I would try it for myself.
Everyone always tells me about subarashikihibi and every single time whenever I look at it I'm instantly turned off.
I'm convinced Kara no Shoujo has been completely forgotten.
Monster Girl Quest
The best visual novel is Nekonade Distortion. Unfathomably based eroge that delves into philosophy, and has only interesting characters and ideas. It's also untranslated, which is a good moron filter, even if it is harder to appreciate. Also 10/10 theme song.
Yikes homie
utawarerumono trilogy is fantastic
muvluv trilogy too
I'm playing Tokyo Necro right now and it's pretty good
Full Metal Daemon Murumasa is kino
Baldr Sky is great, too
I'd specifically recommend getting and playing Baldr Sky ASAP
The company that made it isn't around anymore and the US publisher is obviously not interested in fixing it. I ran into lots of little issues playing it last year that I'm sure were tied to compatibility issues. Thankfully I was able to make it through.
Did it go bankrupt?
>resolution stuck at 480p
holy shit wtf....
also what route does it get "good", i got past rain's first ntr scene (disappointing, not because of ntr but because the ntr wasn't enough. like come on just slime fricking???). it's interesting but the amount of infodumping and flashbacks. i kinda feel like i already know what's going on but i still have to play through the game 5 more times....?
>Tokyo Black
>NTRmasa
>Muramasa
>NTR
My little anon-kun can't be this moronic
>Higurashi
>Umineko
>Fata Morgana
>Raging Loop
>Gnosia (not really a VN but I found it fun)
>YTTD (not finished yet)
>R07shit
>troony Morgana
Disgusting taste.
>disliking ryu07
Shit taste, go back to /vg/.
Virgin: the thread
I will forever be shilling this one
https://store.steampowered.com/app/935920/Fallstreak/
There's something cute and quaint about people who look shill evns
Not in a bad way, they feel more earnest
No, theyre moronic contrarians. They hate japan so they shill theyre dogshit, fully aware its dogshit just because it isnt Japanese
What is so bad about the vn anon-shilled?
This is accurate. I tried giving that one troony spamming his list in VN threads the benefit of the doubt and they were all vapid, uninspired and didn't understand what made people like japanese novels. The abime series in particular somehow succeded in taking all the worst aspects of the Zero Escape/Danganronpa series and made games based on those. Piss easy puzzles, characters who are dumber than in ZTD and failing to make you attached to the characters or their fates. Art I can forgive being bad. But their soundtracks lack identity. Even YTTD made of garageband sounds and RPG maker stuff has a more unique feel than The Zodiac Trial or Birth ME Code.
Slay The Princess and Katawa Shoujo showed western devs can make good things if they try. So there's clearly a lack of generalized talent
Ever17
:/
why is she stuck on the washing machine
Saya no Uta
What of it?
OP asked for a good VN so I replied with Saya No Uta. I think it's a good visual novel, albeit a little too short. The way Fuminori's descent into insanity and evilness justified by his warped love was interesting, I didn't mind the sex scenes because they added to the narrative. I hated when he rejected his friends who were trying their best to help him, and I love that it made me feel that way.
In a way, it can almost be seen as criticism of extreme forms of waifuism.
How short?
9-10 hours long without speedreading
I liked Rewrite.
Star Periphery
I hope you get paid for this
He does it for free
VISUAL NOVELS ARE VIDEO GAMES
>fault : milestone
Anyone read this? I want some fantasy shit and it's pretty short so I'm going in. It has two games and supposedly a third one planned but it's like muv luv, probably dead and never coming out.
The Silver Case, though some of the themes can go over your head without surface level knowledge of 90s-2000s jap politics
Kurisu sex
I'd never frick a namegay
Is slay the princess considered acceptable or just western trash?
It's good
>want to play muramasa on steam deck
>check how to run it
>see all those steps just to run it
>dont want to play it anymore
I don't own a Steam Deck but why is it anymore complicated then just running it?
Idk how the deck works but cant you get the gog version (free), apply the patch, and just run it?
muramasa, it has the best mc I've seen in VNs
>fate/zero
anon...
I cannot seem to find saya no uta in JP anywhere, it's all forced English including nyaa
Ryuugames has the raw version of saya no uta
Thanks anon.
Read Aselia
The Silver Case games
Where there are demons, I slay them.
Where there are saints, I slay them.
Mine is the way of the sword.
Cant believe people ITT are recommending muv luv.
Its the worst paced story in human history, 70 hours in is the first fight scene, 1 of only 4 ,not joking. The SoL is offensively bad and feels less like vn style gags and more like bad 2000's harem anime. Then theres cast of 8 girls and only like 2 have any depth and the rest get strung along for 60 hours only to be killed in the last hour of MLA for shock value or feels or the writter realizing he couldn't milk the word count anymore. Then theres the ending which reverts everything back to the beginning, this is not only uncommittal but also lacking any thematic throughline.
Muv luv is the all time most overrated kusoge in history, it had a good idea but every step along the way was a mistread
I wonder if there's a reason why Muv-Luv reads like something out of the 2000's. Hmmmmmmmm.........................
Thank you vnbros for recommending muramasa. I have been deprived of raw, concentrated kino for quite a while.
So it's actually good? What happened to all the wave of "lmao this garbage is what JOPs have been shilling for years?!" posts we got when it finally got translated?
It's one of the best I've ever read. Genuinely incredible.
Anon is samegayging, it's mediocre garbage.
Only oldgays will remember...
Played it, soul
I doubt there is a single person in existence who has played Yoru tomosu.
Read umineko and stop whining, you have to solve it yourself.