"Cut content" would imply they had a plan or vision for her in the first place, and based on what we know about 13's development, that probably isn't the case.
She was almost certainly just designed to look cool and mysterious in trailers first and foremost and then they had to find some way to work her into the actual game once it all started coming together near the end of development
To be fair, most people thought that the purges were just peaceful relocating to quarantine any who might be infected with Pulse cooties. Only the upper-echelon of the government knew that they were actually massacres.
But I agree with the sentiment, 13 definitely needed to have its script revised a couple times. It really falls apart towards the end >We're not here to kill Orphan. We're here to kill YOU, Barthandelus! >oh shit, is that Orphan? This fricker needs to die >oh no Cocoon is falling, who could've seen that coming >well it's a good thing the lesbians know how to fuse together and crystallize the whole thing >oh no now we're all crystals >well it's a good thing that god decided to fix us because we did such a good job >we're only gonna explain that in the sequel btw
>To be fair, most people thought that the purges were just peaceful relocating to quarantine any who might be infected with Pulse cooties. Only the upper-echelon of the government knew that they were actually massacres
I'm surprised no one ever talked about le Holocaust allegory in this game...
Here's an idea: instead of Cid just doing nothing and then dying, what if Cid was a mechanic. You know like all the other Cids. Cid recognizes that Cocoon being kept afloat by the same things that keep turning them into monsters is probably a bad thing but everyone else is so haplessly devoted to the Fal'Cie that the idea of life outside of their care is inconceivable. So he and his group start scouring all that broken shit from the War of Transgression to find a way to usurp control of Cocoon from Orphan.
So when Barthandelus threatens the party with turning into Ceith and he claims they'll just turn more people until they get what they want, the party can be secured in the knowledge that even if they die, Cid will have already solved the problem. Which Barthandelus can find out somehow and realize their plan is fricked if humans found a way to survive without their help. So instead the riots can occur because Barthandelus told everyone that Cid was hanging out around Pulse equipment and therefore ate probably Pulse L'Cie conspiring against them. So the riots are instead rooted in their rampant paranoia leading to everyone attacking the group who's trying to help them. And Lightning can still fight Orphan, not to just wish upon a star and hope for a miracle, but to disable it so Cid's new device can put control of Cocoon in the hands of people. Literally taking control of their fate from the Fal'Cie. And at that point everyone can realize what frick ups they were and can learn to live free of control.
>We're not here to kill Orphan. We're here to kill YOU, Barthandelus! >oh shit, is that Orphan? This fricker needs to die >oh no Cocoon is falling, who could've seen that coming >well it's a good thing the lesbians know how to fuse together and crystallize the whole thing >oh no now we're all crystals >well it's a good thing that god decided to fix us because we did such a good job >we're only gonna explain that in the sequel btw
>explain what
How they uncrystalized after getting their "reward" for completing their focus. There's normally only 2 fates for a l'cie, either monster or crystal. Back to a normal person isn't an option.
8 months ago
Anonymous
8 months ago
Anonymous
This is truly one of the worst final boss designs in any damn game. >let's just mix and match some mechanical crap and call it a day
8 months ago
Anonymous
>How they uncrystalized after getting their "reward" for completing their focus. >Back to a normal person isn't an option.
I explained it:
yes it is an option. the fal'cie that crystalize them are dead and Pulse got back his crystal.
the sequels are not really canon. cocoon is saved.
I thought that tattoo changing stuff was just their timelimit
>timelimit
yes it's exactly what it is. only it's not explained properly, the crystal grows and 2 things can happen: >You become powerful enough and at level 13 you become Ragnarok >At level 13 you become a mindless monster "Cie'th" because you didn't become powerful enough and the power of the crystal takes over
just like Naruto with Sage power. those who can't balance it become mindless beasts.
They might have had plans for her to play a role in Sazh's arc but like others mentioned, the development of FFXIII was such a clusterfrick that they couldn't make any of it happen.
I don't think even SE knew. He was shot in a climactic scene and then returned with no one acknowledging his survival. Then died again.
Sazh's arc makes me angry because the ingredients for a good tale were all there. The shit about Serah being made into a L'Cie always came off as fricking asinine. We don't even know how she became a L'Cie, only that she did. Did she just go exploring the Bodum Vestige for no reason and get branded?
With Sazh though, I can see why his situation felt hopeless. He was just taking his son on a field trip to spend time with him. It was a totally innocent outing that ended in disaster because of circumstances entirely outside of his control. Dahj is what, 9 years old? And his choices were to identify Vanille, which leads to him effectively dying, or not identify Vanille, which leads to him effectively dying. If the game wanted to tell a story about gods derailing people's lives for their own bullshit then Sazh is the posterboy for that. Sazh doesn't want to change the world, he just wants his son back. But his story basically stops the second he gets his eidolon. Everything revolves around Barthandelus talking shit, Lightning being mad, and Fang and Vanille being set up to fix everything.
I feel you. Sazh was the only character whose arc was decent. He and Vanille actually had chemistry together, with the twist that Vanille knew all along that she was the reason his son was turned. It's a shame that right after his arc is done they forget about all of that and Sazh never talks to Vanille again. But then again, FFXIII writing.
Sazh was the only character being bearable in this game.
Fang isn't actually in the game. She might as well be stuck in the manual for all the exposure she gets.
Vanille, Hope and Snow are all beyond insufferable.
Lightning is just a narcissistic butthole with ADHD.
He didn't hijack the franchise at all though.
Sakaguchi left, Kitase took over as leader of the FF division. The mandate was to then start churning out sequels, mobile trash & FF VII like hits after the merger.
The following thing happened to the FF development teams in this era: >Yasumi Matsuno - Director
Has a mental breakdown during the development of XII and is butthurt over Sakaguchi leaving. Leaves Square-enix. >Hiroyuki Itou - Director, battle systems
The man who invented ATB, Directed FF V, VI & IX. Is brought on to save development of XII. >Nomura - Director, artist
Literally working on KH, third birthday and then FF Versus XIII. >Tabata - mobile game dev
mobile game dev responsible for doing mobile trash. At this point he's doing Crisis Core and his part of the FABULANOVACRISTALIISSSS shit with Type-0 too. Oh he's also doing the third birthday too because as a joke Nomura fell behind and Shinji Hashimoto wanted to play a sick practical joke. He would later be forced to do the same with Versus XIII > XV.
Other directors? What directors. Everyone at the classic level was involved in ports & remakes for handhelds. The only person they had left was Motomu Toriyama. Which brings us onto creatives. >Nobuo Uematsu
Left because they moved the offices >Minagawa
Went to XIV team and XVI team, embroiled in UI hell like Itou >Akihiko Yoshida
BAILED ON SQUEENIX TO CYGAMES AFTER MATSUNO'S DEFECTION >Sakimoto
BAILED ON SQUEENIX AFTER MATSUNO'S DEFECTION >Masaharu Iwata
BAILED ON SQUEENIX AFTER MATSUNO'S DEFECTION
BACK TO DIRECTORS, WRITERS & BATTLEPLANNERS BRO >Yoshinori Kitase
Fat man is now the head of FF. Doesn't direct, dictates mobile ports, doesn't do scenario. Is now a fat controller. >Motomu Toriyama
Directs FFX-2, the first real job game in years under Kitase's direction, has a transformation fetish & is decent battleplanner >Kazushige Nojima
Is not yet writing about Tidus being exploded, is free to rewrite Toriyama's fever dream.
Oh and what happened to the rest of Nojima's writing & scenario crew? Too many to fit. They were mostly at work in the leagues of FFVII compilation stuff like dirge of cerberus, crisis core, type-0 & parts of the XIII universe. Once we warp back around to XV clearing up development with Tabata and VIIR entering production with the XIII sequel team from CBUI we see them return to the fold.
Also I forgot Hideo Minaba too who'd left SE after Matsuno's defection to join Cygames.
Square-Enix's lack of talent around the time was poor product management by Kitase & Hashimoto.
They had directors but had them all working on either recapturing the magic & success of VII & X for their playstation era fans or porting classic FF games. One development team leaving for Namco/Cygames/mental health wards was all it took for their to be room for 2 more XIII games since Nomura's title had stalled.
You might be asking what happened to the XI team and what is now CBUIII? Surely they could have done something FF related? They did. They worked on XIV 2.0 and dragon quest stuff.
It took years to truly recover from Kitase's spinoff nightmares.
Good directors did show up here and there but then they'd leave the company. Team Asano eventually formed out of 4WoL & the bravely team and got to escape handheld hell. They're still not allowed to touch the FF brand tho which is still under Kitase's direct supervision. What happened to Itou?
He was locked in a basement until they let him release a battle system concept as an indie game which was panned since all the marketing was centred around FROM THE CREATOR OF THE FINAL FANTASY BATTLE SYSTEM and was not intended for that casual market in any way.
company used to have different stories, music, games, and other shit
company get reorganized, censored, and government managed because it "became the nations face"
no longer allowed/wanted to do this/that
have to appeal to largest audience aka cost a lot of money, can be streamed and shown to both grandparents, ultra religious, any race/creed/nationality AND make money
this factor above DESTROYS anything that doesn't get finished with little to no intelligence, can't be hard/tough to do, can't have any actual presence, nothing can be controversial, and needs to make money
FF is actually DEAD, it just exists as a word/brand to sell crap
women no longer allowed to have breasts/no breasts unless they look horrible/troony/whatever the US/CHINESE WANT and it must be so easy they can play it(hold a button and/or randomly hit buttons to play)
can't show women/children/animals or anything else looking good or funding/censors/tariffs will roll heads/shut down funding/companies
we live in a instant censorship(cancel culture) society aka why TIFA no longer is allowed to have large breasts(wears a fricking BINDER, on a heterosexual female with actual interest in a male character), no allowance of making fun of transgender characters without any self awareness and/or class(they do exist in games, just that no one will actually comment on the good/bad depictions and openly frick games that have even a little social commentary on life at large)
look how that shit is spammed, trolled, and thread/board/janitored in every online community and potential community both real and imagined
8 months ago
Anonymous
>cant show children looking good
you should have frontloaded your post with this because we all knew where it was going
"She walks in beauty, like the night
Of cloudless climes and starry skies;
And all that’s best of dark and bright
Meet in her aspect and her eyes;
Thus mellowed to that tender light
Which heaven to gaudy day denies.
One shade the more, one ray the less,
Had half impaired the nameless grace
Which waves in every raven tress,
Or softly lightens o’er her face;
Where thoughts serenely sweet express,
How pure, how dear their dwelling-place.
And on that cheek, and o’er that brow,
So soft, so calm, yet eloquent,
The smiles that win, the tints that glow,
But tell of days in goodness spent,
A mind at peace with all below,
A heart whose love is innocent!"
I had a teacher that looked kind of like her, but at the time I didn't even fathom doing stuff with her, she was extremely sweet too
now I remember middle school, thanks
I remember pre-release people were theorising she would be the main villain of FF13 and the new "sephiroth"
Then the final game came out and she's just like some secretary to the pope and has like 2 minutes of screentime then dies offscreen.
She dies onscreen. >Main party crashes into the ship, she is the one sending alarms and organizing the forces to kill them, gets increasingly more nervous as she keeps failing. >Party arrives into her and Bart's room, she gets all smug and goes "well well well I guess it's time you faced me(despite the fact she was a nervous wreck in the previous cutscene) >Bart goes "nah that's just filler, let's get to main dish, which is me. Goodbye, b***h" and stabs her on the back.
She's the oracle going around waking up the astrals, performing the rites with them so that noctis can gain their favor as part of the prophecy, she is healing people sick from the starscourge and it is her death that results in the starscourge spreading faster than ever before, as she was holding it back which took immense strain on her body. She is also childhood friends with Noctis and its her relationship with him with encourages him to keep moving forward even after bad things keep happening to him and those he cares about. She was bethrothed to Noct as part of a political wedding, while the wedding itself was just a front to be something Niflheim offered to lower Lucis's guard, Noct and Luna actually already liked each other anyway so the two were never against the wedding.
She is beloved in world as a celebrity and is basically the Zelda of FFXV's world
She has more screentime in XV than Zack and Sephiroth combined have in FF7. She has more screentime in XV than Kairi, Namine and Xion combined have in KH3. She has more dialog in XV than Jill has the entirety of FF16.
No they say she didn't get enough screentime because she died as soon as she reunites with noct and then a bunch of scenes happen afterwards, and people wanted to see that stuff before she died.
It's the same exact thing people say about Ace from one piece where we got his whole backstory and flashback only after he died
it's a Barry shitpost so I doubt he is actually telling the truth
Literally base XV
Hell zack had even less screentime in Japanese launch FF7, his entire death scene wasn't even in the game, that was added 9 months later for the international/western release, so 3 million people who bought ff7 in Japan at launch never saw that zack death scene/him dragging cloud to midgar
>Is this including the dlc?
it's a Barry shitpost so I doubt he is actually telling the truth
Wasted potential.
She was LITERALLY the only villain in the game who had any kind of connection to the main characters (i.e. Sazh). The only one whose plot could have had a satisfying payoff, and they decided to have space pope kill her in a cutscene.
FFXIII plot was several times rewritten during development. That's why you had a lot of lines that are different in EN version. Many times they gave a script to localization team and just rewrote it later
Okay but you have to be aware of what the characters know and how the plot is structured. Like a common criticism is that it ends on a deus ex machina. All signs point to Ragnorok being the end of Cocoon. Every character, good and bad, acknowledges that Ragnorok is the end of Cocoon. The party has no way of subverting Ragnorok being the end of Cocoon. And after Orphan dies, they summon Ragnorok which means the end of Cocoon. The writers had to answer the question of how do the characters win when it's all said and done. I mean the villains every ambition was fulfilled. By rights, Barthandelus won right? So then a solution has to come from nowhere and then explained in the next game. Was 13 always planned to be a Trilogy? Because that ending didn't look like a sequel hook, it just looked incompetent.
Christ all those nothing characters showing up for like 5 minutes never to be seen again. Completely forgot about that. One more reason to be utterly annoyed by this game. The writing was fricking subterranean. And that's even when reading all the logs and keeping up with the general plot points/world building.
it's says something when all the shitposts "defending" FFXV all tell the critic to kill themselves instead of actually defending the game.
Maybe the game actually sucks ass. Especially when the devs went on to make Forspoken and it bombed so hard it killed the studio and XVI's sales had to balance out the losses
It says something when the person malding over XV is literally the homosexual SBK91 from Gamefaqs who has been exposed for over 7 fricking years as shitposting over XV with the same tired bullshit and debunked arguments
You want to see a failure look at FF16, literally tanked SE's stock in the quarter it released it, no other game had anything to do with tanking the stock as hard as FF16 did
The fricking Forspoken devs literally worked on FF16 and FF7R too, guess they are bad because of Forspoken devs huh
>two completely unrelated people
SBK91 you need to stop coping, you have been outed for years
8 months ago
Anonymous
A huge coincidence you would requote yourself when Max doesn't stand by what you said. Owning it to the eceleb right?
8 months ago
Anonymous
I guess you can't fricking read because you're an ESL seamonkey
8 months ago
Anonymous
And what are you? An Abo shitposter from Melbourne that's who. You're not even white
8 months ago
Anonymous
You're literally a Philipino subhuman seamonkey zoomer who wasn't even fricking alive when FF7 came out let alone when FF13 was in development, have a nice day.
The idea that she supposed to see Sazh as a tool. The Pulse L'Cie went missing after the Bodum Vestige blew up and everyone scattered in different directions. So Jihl thought if she captured a few of them then the rest would show up to rescue them. I don't know why she thinks this? For the first half of the game the party doesn't like each other which is why they scattered in the first place? But somehow the party actually does show up to rescue Sazh and Vanille. Because she somehow knew Fang would drag them all out to save her girlfriend? And the party is WAY more powerful than she thought they'd be. So her plan still failed on every level just for her to be killed by her boss.
On a company level? To show off the power of the PS3 in a time where the X360 was shitting all over it because the PS3 Cell was too confusing for most developers
On a personal level? Toriyama spending millions of SE's dollars to bring his waifu to life
I guess the big one I have is the question of how this all started: how was Serah branded? Are you seriously going to tell me NO ONE noticed the Bodum Vestige until recently? It's a giant demon tower in the middle of town that has what everyone considers to be a Demon god inside of it, these paranoid buttholes should've blown it to Timbuktu long before Serah could get close enough to get branded. The fact that Serah lives on Cocoon and therefore has the same biases makes me wonder why she also wasn't freaked out by it
NTA, but IIRC the Pulse Vestige has been in Bodum for hundreds of years and people just assumed it's a statue. When Vanille and Fang woke up, the fal'cie also woke up. Serah was branded when she was passing through the vestige.
>everyone was defrosted at the end of 13?
Pulse granted crystal fragments with the ultimate goal of destroying Lindzei's fal'Cie. After the destruction of Orphan that goal was complete and Pulse simply took the crystal fragments back. their powers as well. that's why i think XIII-2 is not really canon. Lightning still has her powers. which makes no sense to me.
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the Vestige just like everything from Pulse was considered some sort of cursed. it's that simple. >The Pulse Vestige was a landmark in Bodhum and did not have an entrance until thirteen days before the Purge. >It was taken to Cocoon in secret by Barthandelus in the aftermath of the War of Transgression. >The entrance formed when Fang and Vanille, who were inside the ruins, awoke from crystal stasis. >Serah Farron accidentally found the entrance and was turned into a l'Cie by the fal'Cie Anima when she ventured inside out of curiosity.
Wait so did Barthadelus know Fang and Vanille waking up was imminent and set up the Vestige being close enough for someone being close to it? Like someone moving Mt. Rushmore to a nearby town so some curious fool trying to understand what just happened to get cursed. This isn't me Frodoposting by the way, I genuinely do appreciate the explanation. I'm just to understand the order of events since, in game, it seems to jump from Snow and Serah watching the fireworks to Serah trying to break up with Snow because she got branded.
Okay so putting it together, and let me know if I'm wrong because I'm mashing together the stuff I remember from the game and your explanations, the actual war is between Lindzei (whom I guess represents Cocoon?) And Pulse. The Fal'Cie are their servants and humans are just slaves caught in the middle. Fal'Cie conscript humans to fight for them but it's Lindzei and Pulse who actually gives you power via crystal. But the crystal is cancerous. You either do your job and get frozen as crystal or the crystal metastasizes until you turn into a crystal zombie. I don't know if being frozen is actually like heaven or if you're effectively dead but no matter who wins, you lose.
But I guess Lindzei left Cocoon? Or at least Lindzei was so far away that the Fal'Cie on Cocoon was willing to kill everyone, including themselves, to bring their god back. I guess it begs the question of where did Lindzei go? Or why Lindzei and Pulse split from each other in the first place. I know the War of Transgression was Pulse picking a fight with Cocoon, a fight Pulse lost BTW. Which leads me to wonder why Pulse was spiteful enough to turn every human on Pulse into Ceith until the war grinded to a halt. But charitable enough to throw the gang a bone for stopping Cocoon's genocide text message.
Or maybe the takeaway is that I should just play 13-2 and LR. There must've been a better way to set this up though.
8 months ago
Anonymous
You're needlessly complicating things. Cid explains before his boss fight what the goal of Cocoon and Gran Pulse is; to crash the place so that everyone dies and the overload rips open Etro's Gate and they're reunited with their maker in death.
Serah got branded offscreen when she entered the Vestige some time after Fang and Vanille woke up. She was already branded during the fireworks scene with Snow.
>everyone was defrosted at the end of 13?
Pulse granted crystal fragments with the ultimate goal of destroying Lindzei's fal'Cie. After the destruction of Orphan that goal was complete and Pulse simply took the crystal fragments back. their powers as well. that's why i think XIII-2 is not really canon. Lightning still has her powers. which makes no sense to me.
I guess the big one I have is the question of how this all started: how was Serah branded? Are you seriously going to tell me NO ONE noticed the Bodum Vestige until recently? It's a giant demon tower in the middle of town that has what everyone considers to be a Demon god inside of it, these paranoid buttholes should've blown it to Timbuktu long before Serah could get close enough to get branded. The fact that Serah lives on Cocoon and therefore has the same biases makes me wonder why she also wasn't freaked out by it
the Vestige just like everything from Pulse was considered some sort of cursed. it's that simple. >The Pulse Vestige was a landmark in Bodhum and did not have an entrance until thirteen days before the Purge. >It was taken to Cocoon in secret by Barthandelus in the aftermath of the War of Transgression. >The entrance formed when Fang and Vanille, who were inside the ruins, awoke from crystal stasis. >Serah Farron accidentally found the entrance and was turned into a l'Cie by the fal'Cie Anima when she ventured inside out of curiosity.
>The (Pulse or Cocoon) fal'cie are demi gods that chose humans to become l'cie >By choosing them the planet god (Pulse or Lindzei) gives fragments of their crystal to said chosen humans >the greater goal is the destruction of each other planet god >the demi gods instruct the human slaves with smaller goals (Focus) which align with the destruction plan >the crystal fragments are like sage power in naruto >the longer a crystal is in you the more it grows >you must balance the power of the crystal with your inner power or the crystal takes over >in which case you turn into a monster (cie'th) >the point of the "Focus" is that you do as the demi god commands you >so that the demi god REWARDS you by freezing you into a crystal >stopping the crystal growing and turning you into a cie'th >if your own power growth matches up with the crystal power >you become sage/ragnarol
to sum up: >the demi gods chose which humans will serve >it's the planet god that grants power through a crystal fragment >but it's the demi god that can freeze the human and the crystal growth as a reward for completing a small task, the Focus
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end game comes. >the fal'cie that freeze you into a crystal since you completed the Focus are destroyed >the God Pulse takes back his crystal fragment
This is actually wrong. Pulse and Lindzei's goals have nothing to do with destroying each other. Pulse's goal is to see if the Maker (Bhunivelze) is somewhere in the physical world, Lindzei's is to open the door to the Unseen Realm (afterlife/spirit world) and see if God is there.
Cocoon was a mass sacrifice to try to rip the gate to the afterlife open by flooding it with souls.
>This is actually wrong. Pulse and Lindzei's goals have nothing to do with destroying each other
are you are right it's an oversimplification because it's irrelevant to what im actually trying to explain which is the process of l'cie to monster cie'th to crystal to ragnarok etc.
Anon, don't argue with him, save your time. It's just pointless. He's a literal moron.
>He's a literal moron.
this is you, a frickton of headcanon released after FF XIII.
>Related
Final Fantasy XIII Episode Zero -Promise-, a web novel, later made into a CD drama, takes place in the weeks leading up to the events of Final Fantasy XIII.
Final Fantasy XIII Gaiden Shōsetsu: Yumemiru Mayu, Akatsuki ni Otsu, a six-chapter novella included in the Final Fantasy XIII Ultimania Omega, taking place from the time of the discovery of the Pulse fal'Cie in Bodhum through the events of Final Fantasy XIII.
Final Fantasy XIII -Episode i-, a novella released with Final Fantasy XIII International Ultimate Hits in Japan, which acts as an epilogue to Final Fantasy XIII, covering direct events following the game's ending.
Final Fantasy XIII-2 Fragments Before, a novella that delves into events between Final Fantasy XIII and Final Fantasy XIII-2, filling some of the second game's narrative gaps.
Final Fantasy XIII-2 Fragments After, a second novella set during and after the events of Final Fantasy XIII-2, completing the story arcs begun in Fragments Before and filling in further narrative gaps revolving around some of the secondary characters.
Etro defrosted them and erased their brands. Don't listen this dude
>everyone was defrosted at the end of 13?
Pulse granted crystal fragments with the ultimate goal of destroying Lindzei's fal'Cie. After the destruction of Orphan that goal was complete and Pulse simply took the crystal fragments back. their powers as well. that's why i think XIII-2 is not really canon. Lightning still has her powers. which makes no sense to me.
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the Vestige just like everything from Pulse was considered some sort of cursed. it's that simple. >The Pulse Vestige was a landmark in Bodhum and did not have an entrance until thirteen days before the Purge. >It was taken to Cocoon in secret by Barthandelus in the aftermath of the War of Transgression. >The entrance formed when Fang and Vanille, who were inside the ruins, awoke from crystal stasis. >Serah Farron accidentally found the entrance and was turned into a l'Cie by the fal'Cie Anima when she ventured inside out of curiosity.
Source: Final Fantasy XIII-2 Fragments After. >Regardless, Etro granted Lightning's wish. To aid Vanille and Fang, and make Lightning and the others' brands disappear. Granting salvation to the l'Cie who bore much sin.
Why Lightning can use magic in XIII-2 without a brand. >She did not have a brand, but she could use magic. Maybe this phenomenon was to be attributed to Valhalla. This was after she had been confronted with a succession of strange happenings. She felt that this was the most valid interpretation.
>Don't listen this dude >Etro defrosted them and erased their brands
You literally say the same thing I said only you replaced Pulse with Etro.
The reason XIII-2 and LR were made was that the ending of XIII was confusing and Toriyama took advantage of that and decided to make shit up pretending it was part of his plan. >Maybe
literally headcanon tier.
XIII-2 and LR are not canon: >Cocoon is saved >No underworld soul imbalance bullshit >Pulse got back his crystal fragments/fal'cie are dead >Meaning the marks are gone and the party unfroze
>You literally say the same thing I said only you replaced Pulse with Etro.
Yes, and this is a big difference. Pulse has nothing to do with returning from Cie'th form (shown here
), Brands erasing and defrosting party from Crystal stasis. >The reason XIII-2 and LR were made was that the ending of XIII was confusing and Toriyama took advantage of that and decided to make shit up pretending it was part of his plan.
Literally headcanon tier.
>Etro defrosted them and erased their brands
it was not Etro's brand tho. it makes more sense that Pulse did it. i think the sequels are "What if" tier.
>it was not Etro's brand tho. it makes more sense that Pulse did it.
And Dajh's brand wasn't Pulses's too, yet Dajh is without a brand in the end of XIII. Looks like Etro can erase every brand huh.
>Pulse has nothing to do with returning from Cie'th form (shown here
), Brands erasing and defrosting party from Crystal stasis.
Brother, you will need to explain this to me. Because you just repeat the same thing over and over and make no sense. Your picture makes no sense.
Of course Pulse does everything because it is HIS crystal fragment that gave them power. The brand is gone because he takes the crystal back. Also the freezing is gone because the fal'cie that did the freezing are dead.
>And Dajh's brand wasn't Pulses's too
No of course it wasn't Pulse's, it was Lindzei's. Again Im begging for an answer: WTF DOES ETRO HAVE TO DO WITH Lindzei and Pulse crystals. >Literally headcanon tier.
no at all. Nojima penned the original game. Toriyama filled in the sequels/spin offs.
>it's Pulse's Brand/crystal fragment. they complete the job and he takes it back. wtf does Etro have to do with anything. also it's the fal'cie that do the freezing/unfreezing. Etro doing anything is spin off tier nonsense.
Etro's always been sympathetic to humans and the situation the fal'Cie put them in. >I honestly don't even remember how they rationalize Cocoon falling in XIII-2, it's been so many years since i played the game and i totally forgot.
Flans.
>Etro's always been sympathetic
My good brother: WTF DOES ETRO HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING THAT RELATES TO PULSE AND Lindzei. PLs explain. >Flans.
I don't understand.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>My good brother: WTF DOES ETRO HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING THAT RELATES TO PULSE AND Lindzei. PLs explain.
She was made at the same time as Pulse and Lindzei, has all the same powers, except she can't make lesser fal'Cie like the two of them can. A lot of lore shenanigans happen, and she ends up in the Unseen Realm like what Cid describes in XIII. From there, she can look upon the world given that she's a goddess and she sees l'Cie suffer and sends them Eidolons to either help them overcome their grief or kill themselves to prevent turning into crystals. This doesn't happen with all of them, just some, but it's to be expected because not everyone's Focus was to destroy Cocoon and most were much more mundane (all the Crystal stones that give you missions in XIII). >Flans
A giant flan damages the crystal so much it falls.
8 months ago
Anonymous
> WTF DOES ETRO HAVE TO DO WITH Lindzei and Pulse crystals.
XIII's world is based on a very soft magic lore. I don't know how she did it, yet she is the one who erased the brands. It is what it is, deal with it lmao. The mechanism of erasing/defrosting is unknown but the lore, the official lore, not your headcanon, has a concrete answer to what happened with to crystallised Dajh, Serah, Lightning etc.
>Specially for you:
Bro you are so stubborn i will have to accuse you of being an ESL:
Yes, we do know that the reason Cocoon was not destroyed the first time Fang transformed into Ragnarok is Lindzei. That means little about l'cie being crystalized and even less about Etro.
>Yes, we do know that the reason Cocoon was not destroyed the first time Fang transformed into Ragnarok is Lindzei.
Are you fricking moronic? >The Goddess pitied the fools who so blindly bowed to Lindzei's will >The Goddess >She robbed Ragnarok of power putting the l'Cie to an early crystal sleep >She
Are you really that braindead? Lindzei is not a Goddess. There's only 2 Goddesses in FNC lore: Mwynn and Etro.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>yet she is the one who erased the brands
You are using XIII-2 lore to justify XIII-2. The party are Pulse l'cie with pulse's fragments. Dajh and Cid are Lindzei l'cie with Lindzei's fragments. >Are you really that braindead? Lindzei is not a Goddess.
that's my fault but it still means nothing. it has nothing to do with completing a Focus in the first place. wtf was the point of posting this?
Once again the story, the one Nojima penned, is simple: the fal'cie are dead and Pulse got his fragment back. people did not understand that so Toriyama made his XIII-2 headcanon about Deus Ex Machina Etro.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Once again the story, the one Nojima penned, is simple: the fal'cie are dead and Pulse got his fragment back. people did not understand that so Toriyama made his XIII-2 headcanon about Deus Ex Machina Etro.
Final Fantasy XIII writers:
Motomu Toriyama
Daisuke Watanabe
8 months ago
Anonymous
Nojima wrote the concept and you probably know this. In XIII all the characters are equally important. No one is a chosen hero. If anything Fang is the more important character. Lightning is as important as Snow, just a random person. I'm not hating just making sense of this.
The problem with FF XIII-2 is that it tries to make Lightning into a super special princess warrior. That's Toriyama's head canon. Lightning is only important if you use Etro as a Deus ex machina. Which he did taking advantage of the confusion over the ending of XIII.
The Goddess saving Cocoon in the War of Transgression means nothing about freezing of l'cie that completed their Focus. I don't even understand why you posted that quote.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Nojima wrote the concept of the FNC, not FF XIII.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Nojima wrote the concept of the FNC
Yes this is before 2016. The FNC was meant to be a trilogy of separate games. FF XIII was never meant to be a trilogy. It was only decided after the other projects were stalling and Square wanted to make money back from the expensive engine. it has nothing to do with all the FF XIII-2 headcanon you see here
>This is actually wrong. Pulse and Lindzei's goals have nothing to do with destroying each other
are you are right it's an oversimplification because it's irrelevant to what im actually trying to explain which is the process of l'cie to monster cie'th to crystal to ragnarok etc.
[...] >He's a literal moron.
this is you, a frickton of headcanon released after FF XIII.
>Related
Final Fantasy XIII Episode Zero -Promise-, a web novel, later made into a CD drama, takes place in the weeks leading up to the events of Final Fantasy XIII.
Final Fantasy XIII Gaiden Shōsetsu: Yumemiru Mayu, Akatsuki ni Otsu, a six-chapter novella included in the Final Fantasy XIII Ultimania Omega, taking place from the time of the discovery of the Pulse fal'Cie in Bodhum through the events of Final Fantasy XIII.
Final Fantasy XIII -Episode i-, a novella released with Final Fantasy XIII International Ultimate Hits in Japan, which acts as an epilogue to Final Fantasy XIII, covering direct events following the game's ending.
Final Fantasy XIII-2 Fragments Before, a novella that delves into events between Final Fantasy XIII and Final Fantasy XIII-2, filling some of the second game's narrative gaps.
Final Fantasy XIII-2 Fragments After, a second novella set during and after the events of Final Fantasy XIII-2, completing the story arcs begun in Fragments Before and filling in further narrative gaps revolving around some of the secondary characters.
8 months ago
Anonymous
8 months ago
Anonymous
Who released Dajh from crystal stasis and erased his brand, stupid monkey?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>stupid monkey?
lol bro i don't remember how many years it's been since i met someone as stubborn as you. why are you being a dick instead of posting facts: you have been trying to justify FF XIII-2 being canon with... XIII-2 lore this entire thread.
Dajh was released from stasis because the fal'cie are dead. and yes like Cid he is a special one because he has a Lindsei brand. (which you actually don't see erased in the video I posted above because you were too busy calling me names)
And then Toriyama decided he was going to make his this his magnum opus to his waifu and he did. And thus we got the trilogy where he meets his waifu in France.
>And then Toriyama
yes i agree. he took advantage of the confusion over the first game's ending and the management of Square wanting to make money on this proprietary engine since the other projects were going badly. and he made his head canon. i played it. i enjoyed it. it's still MAKING SHIT UP THAT CONTRADICTS THE VERY ENDING OF THE FIRST GAME. Also ruins Lightning from a perfectly fine solider character to the gaygiest warrior princess.
Yes, I could have done a better job. lolz
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Dajh was released from stasis because the fal'cie are dead.
What part of the Datalog, script or Ultimania states that if Fal'Cie dies his l'Cie will return from Crystal Stasis? Any statements that Pulse released heroes from Crystal Stasis?
8 months ago
Anonymous
the ending.
>FF XIII ending (5:45 mark)
?si=JOwCHtPgbqbdYpX-&t=345 >Same scene in FF XIII-2 literally telling you it didn't happen.
this is the most shameless headcanon ever introduced in a mainstream game ever. toriyama is the ultimate waifu gay
don't try to outweeb me. your justification for Lightning having powers in -2 was literally: "strange happenings lol"
8 months ago
Anonymous
Nothing in the ending shows Pulse did shit to them, nothing in the ending tells Pulse has power to return l'Cie from Crystal Stasis. I don't see Pulse in the ending cutscene. Where's Pulse? Show me Pulse in the ending cutscene. What I see is that Etro's Eye is closing, you dumb monkey. Try better next time. >B-but Toriyama s-subverted Nojima's work on FNC...h-he did that...o-okay?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>erased his brand, stupid monkey? >brand is not erased in the video of the ending
>FF XIII ending (5:45 mark)
?si=JOwCHtPgbqbdYpX-&t=345 >Same scene in FF XIII-2 literally telling you it didn't happen.
this is the most shameless headcanon ever introduced in a mainstream game ever. toriyama is the ultimate waifu gay
8 months ago
Anonymous
>wtf was the point of posting this?
To show you, stupid monkey, that FNC lore is a fricking clusterfrick. It doesn't explain how Etro can turn people into Crystal stasis, how she can reverse them from Cie'th form, how she can return them from Crystal stasis, yet, nevertheless, this very FNC lore states pretty clearly that:
1) She turned Vanille and Fang into crystal during War of Transgression (source: XIII's fricking Datalog, Analect IV. The Heavenly Deceit).
2) She returned the rest of the party from Cie'th form in the end of XIII (source: visual storytelling, play the fricking game).
3) She erased brands and returned the rest of the party from Crystal stasis (source: Final Fantasy XIII-2 Fragments Before).
And now I'm not writing this for you, but for other anons who really want to know the explanations of the lore.
>Lindzei is not a Goddess.
Yes, she is. She's not that Goddess talked about there (Etro), but Lindzei is a girl.
>Lindzei is a girl.
Yes, you fricking moron. A girl. Here's your girl, picrelated.
For a franchise that focuses on story telling; this has to be an all time low for FF.
Pic related is the ending of FF XIII. Vanille and Fang sacrifice themselves to save Cocoon and the rest are unfrozen by Pulse because they did such a good job. Lightning is a nobody like everyone else.
Toriyama had the nerve to make a "sequel" where he says lol nope, that didn't happen you imagined it because he wanted to turn HIS favorite character into a chosen superhero. I dare ANYONE to show me a more moronic moment in the history of FF.
I guess you're just a shitposter then.
God, I'm out of this circus.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>And now I'm not writing this for you >that FNC lore >source: Final Fantasy XIII-2
my brother in weeb: YOU ARE JUSTIFYING FF XIII-2 WITH FF XIII-2 lore. is that too complicated to understand? >1) She turned Vanille and Fang into crystal
yes you repeat that but that's irrelevant to people turning into crystals after completing their focus. >source: visual storytelling
XIII-2 are LR are spin offs/what if stories because this is NOTHING IN FF XIII that needs implies that Etro did anything about the very end.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Yes, you fricking moron. A girl. Here's your girl, picrelated.
I was just correcting your misconception. Bhunivelze & Pulse are gods and Mwynn, Etro, Lindzei & Lightning are goddesses.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Lindzei is not a Goddess.
Yes, she is. She's not that Goddess talked about there (Etro), but Lindzei is a girl.
>Etro defrosted them and erased their brands
it was not Etro's brand tho. it makes more sense that Pulse did it. i think the sequels are "What if" tier.
it's Pulse's Brand/crystal fragment. they complete the job and he takes it back. wtf does Etro have to do with anything. also it's the fal'cie that do the freezing/unfreezing. Etro doing anything is spin off tier nonsense.
I honestly don't even remember how they rationalize Cocoon falling in XIII-2, it's been so many years since i played the game and i totally forgot.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>it's Pulse's Brand/crystal fragment. they complete the job and he takes it back. wtf does Etro have to do with anything. also it's the fal'cie that do the freezing/unfreezing. Etro doing anything is spin off tier nonsense.
Etro's always been sympathetic to humans and the situation the fal'Cie put them in. >I honestly don't even remember how they rationalize Cocoon falling in XIII-2, it's been so many years since i played the game and i totally forgot.
Flans.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>also it's the fal'cie that do the freezing/unfreezing.Etro doing anything is spin off tier nonsense.
This is the clearest evidence that you both don't understand the lore of the trilogy and haven't even bothered to read XIII's original datalog.
Specially for you: >Ragnarok took wing; made to smite Cocoon, and thereby deliver us our everlasting peace. But Her Providence would not let it be. The Goddess pitied the fools who so blindly bowed to Lindzei's will, and so She robbed Ragnarok of power, putting the l'Cie to an early crystal sleep, Focus yet incomplete.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Specially for you:
Bro you are so stubborn i will have to accuse you of being an ESL:
Yes, we do know that the reason Cocoon was not destroyed the first time Fang transformed into Ragnarok is Lindzei. That means little about l'cie being crystalized and even less about Etro.
8 months ago
Anonymous
took wing; made to smite Cocoon, and thereby deliver us our everlasting peace. But Her Providence would not let it be. The Goddess pitied the fools who so blindly bowed to Lindzei's will, and so She robbed Ragnarok of power, putting the l'Cie to an early crystal sleep, Focus yet incomplete.
This says that Lindzei froze Pulse l'cie that had turnt into Ragnarok to prevent them from destroying Cocoon. Completely different from freezing someone that completed their Focus.
Ok, how the hell does throwing ooze and bone fragments onto a sword make attaching a particle accelerator more effective? The weapon upgrading system NEVER made sense to me unless this is some AMP shit.
Q: What the frick happened between XIII-2 and LR (ie the world, border, the PEOPLE)
Q: what are your thoughts on Noel taking a backseat despite getting attention and powerful throughout XIII-2?
>Q: What the frick happened between XIII-2 and LR (ie the world, border, the PEOPLE)
as a lore guy i honestly gave up on the sequels and don't consider them canon. Lightning has powers because... she just does.
what was the protagonists' plan with orphan? all they had to do was... nothing. they know killing orphan destroys cocoon and yet they still go through with it.
why?
preferably by citing things that are actually in the first game
>What was the point of the entire Lightning trilogy?
lol it's a trilogy IF you want it to be.
the first game has a perfect ending: >the demi gods were planning the destruction of cocoon as a >sacrifice to big daddy god. >you save the day. >the end
i gave up trying to make sense of the other two games. you can perfectly well ignore them.
Don't bother actually trying to explain the lore or whatever to me. It's not going to stick. I never even finished the first game, far from it. It's a wonder that I even managed to get as far as I did. I just know, or I think I know, Lightning is supposed to be the focal point of the three games?
>they shafted her so hard they don't even remember what they wanted to do with her so they just made her into a XIII-2 boss DLC which does not expand her character niche or story or appeal in any way shape or form >tfw bought it anyway
I could be wrong but i feel Toriyama is to blame. The story/lore of the game is good. the director was not good enough to deliver it properly.
>Bart trains the party to become Super Sayan/Ragnarok to kill Oprhan >The crystal inside them is growing as shown by the gradual mark change >Bart needs ONE of them to reach power level 13 and become Ragnarok >The OVERALL concept of the game is that the party never had a common goal >At the very end of the game they finally work together and use power level 12 times 6 >Kill Oprhan, Cocoon goes down >Fang and Vanille together reach power level 13 and become Ragnarok and save the day >the fal'cie that froze them into a crystal die >pulse takes back the crystal
They had an entire franchise based around FFXIII ready to go, with Versus XIII planned after XIII. That's probably why they fleshed out the lore that much. We all know what happened to Versus XIII and FNC.
>Honest XIII-2 is the worst entry and I don't know why people shill it as the best.
I see a lotta praise for the monster mechanic, telling the story up front and "focusing on a small cast" but really, yeah. It's still not a very good game. It wasn't my first mon capture game so it didn't do anything for me there, the XIII lore aspect was ridiculous and went off the rails.
They'd prob say LIGHTNING RETURNS was the best if they could get their head around the battle system. It was the tightest of the 3 with another incoherent plot. Only they really, really don't like the battle system.
Best thing I can say about the trilogy as a whole is the monster extinction stuff in LR is neat and I like the limited window concept. XIII-2 isn't worth replaying, ever. Same for XIII, they lack mechanical depth on any level and there's no mods to fix that.
>FFXIII trilogy threads?
it's mostly lore gaygin. you see the original game ending up in a confusing way and the director took advantage of this fact to literally make his headcanon sequel without the original writers.
For a franchise that focuses on story telling; this has to be an all time low for FF.
Pic related is the ending of FF XIII. Vanille and Fang sacrifice themselves to save Cocoon and the rest are unfrozen by Pulse because they did such a good job. Lightning is a nobody like everyone else.
Toriyama had the nerve to make a "sequel" where he says lol nope, that didn't happen you imagined it because he wanted to turn HIS favorite character into a chosen superhero. I dare ANYONE to show me a more moronic moment in the history of FF.
This game felt like it was first written as some kind of light novel/visual novel rather than to be a game's story, there's also a kind of melancholic/mopey toney throughout the game that's also very characteristic of light novels.
But man it was such a good looking game, like props to the arts department, the game was colourful, beautiful and had a unique visual identity in a time where most games were just brown grimdark slops.
>People unironically arguing about the plotline of a trilogy that was literally designed to culminate with Lightning ending up in France to spiritually be with Toriyama
If you look at the series through that lens, a ton of shit makes more sense.
unironically arguing about the plotline of a trilogy
lol the point is that it was never a trilogy to begin with. Nojima and Watanabe and Toriyama originally didn't write a trilogy. XIII has a perfect ending. Toriyama made it into a trilogy because of his infinite gayotry.
And then Toriyama decided he was going to make his this his magnum opus to his waifu and he did. And thus we got the trilogy where he meets his waifu in France.
to have massively wasted potential and underuse her apparently because squenix are definitely good at their jobs. man jihl was fricking kino, took the quistis appeal from the hospital cinematic and then stuck her on the bad guys side.
I don't understand much about graphics, but is the reason XIII looks so good even now because of static lightning? I heard it takes more effort but it allows for more artistic expression compared to dynamic, is that right?
Vanille - some scientists describe her as a miracle of the world. The scientific community doesn't a definite answer as to what Vanille is, but everyone agrees on the fact that her existence is precious to the world and that humanity must protect Vanille at all costs.
Here's why we are being SO hypocritical here: The story of Caius, Yuel and Noel is good. It's a solid proper jrpg story. And they fricking ruined it by trying to shoehorn a Lightning story into it. They could have made another Etro stan and make this an interesting side story without the gibberish convoluted XIII character tie in nonsense that everyone hated. I don't know if it was Toriyama or the eternally moronic SE management that thought "if we pretend this is a direct sequel to FF XIII, we will force people to buy it". It could have been a superb FF XIII indirect sequel if they ignore Lightning and the other characters of the first game because guess what, their story is done, they won, they lost their marks the end. The point of their story was that they were nobodies to begin with. But no. They decided to FORCE a direct sequel out of XIII and make Lightning into the warrior goddess.
>tight-like cleavage
kino
Agreed. More outfits need body hosiery.
Another victim of cut content, most likely. I sometimes wonder how FFXIII would have turned out if it wasn't for it's troubled development.
Nah it's deliberate shitposting by narrator.
"Cut content" would imply they had a plan or vision for her in the first place, and based on what we know about 13's development, that probably isn't the case.
She was almost certainly just designed to look cool and mysterious in trailers first and foremost and then they had to find some way to work her into the actual game once it all started coming together near the end of development
They were designed for trailers and then an incompetent monkey had to write a story that included them in 2 lunch breaks.
i can only remember evil pope and flat face god statue, all other antagonists from ff13 have been erased from my brain
>What was the point of her?
To kill millions.
I'm thinking of replaying XIII, are there any mods that improve the combat?
her beautiful cleavage
get a trainer that lets you instantly fill the atb gauge
to be hot
I definitely remember her being in XIII, but I wouldn't be able to say a scene she was in to save my life.
Nevermind her, what was the point of this guy?
>"Do you think we want to kill our own people?!?"
>Meanwhile news articles are talking about people wanting more purges
I feel like 13 needed 2 more drafts and less Toriyama writing the script between fap sessions
To be fair, most people thought that the purges were just peaceful relocating to quarantine any who might be infected with Pulse cooties. Only the upper-echelon of the government knew that they were actually massacres.
But I agree with the sentiment, 13 definitely needed to have its script revised a couple times. It really falls apart towards the end
>We're not here to kill Orphan. We're here to kill YOU, Barthandelus!
>oh shit, is that Orphan? This fricker needs to die
>oh no Cocoon is falling, who could've seen that coming
>well it's a good thing the lesbians know how to fuse together and crystallize the whole thing
>oh no now we're all crystals
>well it's a good thing that god decided to fix us because we did such a good job
>we're only gonna explain that in the sequel btw
>most people thought that the purges were just peaceful relocating
You'd think the name "purge" would have given it away
>To be fair, most people thought that the purges were just peaceful relocating to quarantine any who might be infected with Pulse cooties. Only the upper-echelon of the government knew that they were actually massacres
I'm surprised no one ever talked about le Holocaust allegory in this game...
Here's an idea: instead of Cid just doing nothing and then dying, what if Cid was a mechanic. You know like all the other Cids. Cid recognizes that Cocoon being kept afloat by the same things that keep turning them into monsters is probably a bad thing but everyone else is so haplessly devoted to the Fal'Cie that the idea of life outside of their care is inconceivable. So he and his group start scouring all that broken shit from the War of Transgression to find a way to usurp control of Cocoon from Orphan.
So when Barthandelus threatens the party with turning into Ceith and he claims they'll just turn more people until they get what they want, the party can be secured in the knowledge that even if they die, Cid will have already solved the problem. Which Barthandelus can find out somehow and realize their plan is fricked if humans found a way to survive without their help. So instead the riots can occur because Barthandelus told everyone that Cid was hanging out around Pulse equipment and therefore ate probably Pulse L'Cie conspiring against them. So the riots are instead rooted in their rampant paranoia leading to everyone attacking the group who's trying to help them. And Lightning can still fight Orphan, not to just wish upon a star and hope for a miracle, but to disable it so Cid's new device can put control of Cocoon in the hands of people. Literally taking control of their fate from the Fal'Cie. And at that point everyone can realize what frick ups they were and can learn to live free of control.
I really loved that
>We are not going to do your plan in which you want us to murder Orphan
>Proceeds to murder Orphan.
>We're not here to kill Orphan. We're here to kill YOU, Barthandelus!
>oh shit, is that Orphan? This fricker needs to die
>oh no Cocoon is falling, who could've seen that coming
>well it's a good thing the lesbians know how to fuse together and crystallize the whole thing
>oh no now we're all crystals
>well it's a good thing that god decided to fix us because we did such a good job
>we're only gonna explain that in the sequel btw
>>we're only gonna explain that in the sequel btw
explain what. the sequel is not really canon. pulse took back the power. the end.
>explain what
How they uncrystalized after getting their "reward" for completing their focus. There's normally only 2 fates for a l'cie, either monster or crystal. Back to a normal person isn't an option.
This is truly one of the worst final boss designs in any damn game.
>let's just mix and match some mechanical crap and call it a day
>How they uncrystalized after getting their "reward" for completing their focus.
>Back to a normal person isn't an option.
I explained it:
yes it is an option. the fal'cie that crystalize them are dead and Pulse got back his crystal.
the sequels are not really canon. cocoon is saved.
>timelimit
yes it's exactly what it is. only it's not explained properly, the crystal grows and 2 things can happen:
>You become powerful enough and at level 13 you become Ragnarok
>At level 13 you become a mindless monster "Cie'th" because you didn't become powerful enough and the power of the crystal takes over
just like Naruto with Sage power. those who can't balance it become mindless beasts.
They might have had plans for her to play a role in Sazh's arc but like others mentioned, the development of FFXIII was such a clusterfrick that they couldn't make any of it happen.
I don't think even SE knew. He was shot in a climactic scene and then returned with no one acknowledging his survival. Then died again.
Sazh's arc makes me angry because the ingredients for a good tale were all there. The shit about Serah being made into a L'Cie always came off as fricking asinine. We don't even know how she became a L'Cie, only that she did. Did she just go exploring the Bodum Vestige for no reason and get branded?
With Sazh though, I can see why his situation felt hopeless. He was just taking his son on a field trip to spend time with him. It was a totally innocent outing that ended in disaster because of circumstances entirely outside of his control. Dahj is what, 9 years old? And his choices were to identify Vanille, which leads to him effectively dying, or not identify Vanille, which leads to him effectively dying. If the game wanted to tell a story about gods derailing people's lives for their own bullshit then Sazh is the posterboy for that. Sazh doesn't want to change the world, he just wants his son back. But his story basically stops the second he gets his eidolon. Everything revolves around Barthandelus talking shit, Lightning being mad, and Fang and Vanille being set up to fix everything.
I feel you. Sazh was the only character whose arc was decent. He and Vanille actually had chemistry together, with the twist that Vanille knew all along that she was the reason his son was turned. It's a shame that right after his arc is done they forget about all of that and Sazh never talks to Vanille again. But then again, FFXIII writing.
Everyone receives a lot of development except Fang, but she comes in so late that she's already made up her mind about everything.
Sazh was the only character being bearable in this game.
Fang isn't actually in the game. She might as well be stuck in the manual for all the exposure she gets.
Vanille, Hope and Snow are all beyond insufferable.
Lightning is just a narcissistic butthole with ADHD.
The helicopter fight was pretty neat tbh
But both he and Jihl were such disappointment story-wise
neuron activation
What was the point of it?
One man's obsession with a waifu he conceived in a fever dream
Okay but don't hijack a AAA franchise just to make fanfiction of your waifu
Lightning is largely irrelevant in FF13 as Vanille is really the main character
He didn't hijack the franchise at all though.
Sakaguchi left, Kitase took over as leader of the FF division. The mandate was to then start churning out sequels, mobile trash & FF VII like hits after the merger.
The following thing happened to the FF development teams in this era:
>Yasumi Matsuno - Director
Has a mental breakdown during the development of XII and is butthurt over Sakaguchi leaving. Leaves Square-enix.
>Hiroyuki Itou - Director, battle systems
The man who invented ATB, Directed FF V, VI & IX. Is brought on to save development of XII.
>Nomura - Director, artist
Literally working on KH, third birthday and then FF Versus XIII.
>Tabata - mobile game dev
mobile game dev responsible for doing mobile trash. At this point he's doing Crisis Core and his part of the FABULANOVACRISTALIISSSS shit with Type-0 too. Oh he's also doing the third birthday too because as a joke Nomura fell behind and Shinji Hashimoto wanted to play a sick practical joke. He would later be forced to do the same with Versus XIII > XV.
Other directors? What directors. Everyone at the classic level was involved in ports & remakes for handhelds. The only person they had left was Motomu Toriyama. Which brings us onto creatives.
>Nobuo Uematsu
Left because they moved the offices
>Minagawa
Went to XIV team and XVI team, embroiled in UI hell like Itou
>Akihiko Yoshida
BAILED ON SQUEENIX TO CYGAMES AFTER MATSUNO'S DEFECTION
>Sakimoto
BAILED ON SQUEENIX AFTER MATSUNO'S DEFECTION
>Masaharu Iwata
BAILED ON SQUEENIX AFTER MATSUNO'S DEFECTION
BACK TO DIRECTORS, WRITERS & BATTLEPLANNERS BRO
>Yoshinori Kitase
Fat man is now the head of FF. Doesn't direct, dictates mobile ports, doesn't do scenario. Is now a fat controller.
>Motomu Toriyama
Directs FFX-2, the first real job game in years under Kitase's direction, has a transformation fetish & is decent battleplanner
>Kazushige Nojima
Is not yet writing about Tidus being exploded, is free to rewrite Toriyama's fever dream.
Oh and what happened to the rest of Nojima's writing & scenario crew? Too many to fit. They were mostly at work in the leagues of FFVII compilation stuff like dirge of cerberus, crisis core, type-0 & parts of the XIII universe. Once we warp back around to XV clearing up development with Tabata and VIIR entering production with the XIII sequel team from CBUI we see them return to the fold.
Also I forgot Hideo Minaba too who'd left SE after Matsuno's defection to join Cygames.
Square-Enix's lack of talent around the time was poor product management by Kitase & Hashimoto.
They had directors but had them all working on either recapturing the magic & success of VII & X for their playstation era fans or porting classic FF games. One development team leaving for Namco/Cygames/mental health wards was all it took for their to be room for 2 more XIII games since Nomura's title had stalled.
You might be asking what happened to the XI team and what is now CBUIII? Surely they could have done something FF related? They did. They worked on XIV 2.0 and dragon quest stuff.
It took years to truly recover from Kitase's spinoff nightmares.
Good directors did show up here and there but then they'd leave the company. Team Asano eventually formed out of 4WoL & the bravely team and got to escape handheld hell. They're still not allowed to touch the FF brand tho which is still under Kitase's direct supervision. What happened to Itou?
He was locked in a basement until they let him release a battle system concept as an indie game which was panned since all the marketing was centred around FROM THE CREATOR OF THE FINAL FANTASY BATTLE SYSTEM and was not intended for that casual market in any way.
Nomura's lowest point
>Nomura
Do you think Square is run by just one person?
yes, they all literally look the same
company used to have different stories, music, games, and other shit
company get reorganized, censored, and government managed because it "became the nations face"
no longer allowed/wanted to do this/that
have to appeal to largest audience aka cost a lot of money, can be streamed and shown to both grandparents, ultra religious, any race/creed/nationality AND make money
this factor above DESTROYS anything that doesn't get finished with little to no intelligence, can't be hard/tough to do, can't have any actual presence, nothing can be controversial, and needs to make money
FF is actually DEAD, it just exists as a word/brand to sell crap
women no longer allowed to have breasts/no breasts unless they look horrible/troony/whatever the US/CHINESE WANT and it must be so easy they can play it(hold a button and/or randomly hit buttons to play)
can't show women/children/animals or anything else looking good or funding/censors/tariffs will roll heads/shut down funding/companies
we live in a instant censorship(cancel culture) society aka why TIFA no longer is allowed to have large breasts(wears a fricking BINDER, on a heterosexual female with actual interest in a male character), no allowance of making fun of transgender characters without any self awareness and/or class(they do exist in games, just that no one will actually comment on the good/bad depictions and openly frick games that have even a little social commentary on life at large)
look how that shit is spammed, trolled, and thread/board/janitored in every online community and potential community both real and imagined
>cant show children looking good
you should have frontloaded your post with this because we all knew where it was going
To make my dick erect and spew white fluids.
Lightning Is A Goddess
id be a lightinggay if her ass looked like this
I love you, Goddess and Heroine...
"She walks in beauty, like the night
Of cloudless climes and starry skies;
And all that’s best of dark and bright
Meet in her aspect and her eyes;
Thus mellowed to that tender light
Which heaven to gaudy day denies.
One shade the more, one ray the less,
Had half impaired the nameless grace
Which waves in every raven tress,
Or softly lightens o’er her face;
Where thoughts serenely sweet express,
How pure, how dear their dwelling-place.
And on that cheek, and o’er that brow,
So soft, so calm, yet eloquent,
The smiles that win, the tints that glow,
But tell of days in goodness spent,
A mind at peace with all below,
A heart whose love is innocent!"
her flat ass was so disappointing. especially since they gave her bigger breasts in XIII-3
There is no point to it. Absolute dumpster fire of a game.
Always thought it was a allegory for the Bosnian Civil War
Tolberone
AHHH HURTS MY FINGERS
Being the hottest character in the game.
It showed that the fal'cie only use humans as tools.
>When even side-character in XIII has better face than main heroine in XVI.
Damn she is so gorgeous she is even better than main heroines.
Titty fricking
Choose
2 and 7
Adult Hope
Who is #2? I don't recognize her.
>has no glasses
Did they add those to complete the milf look?
That/sexy librarian. Jill does seem like she's meant to be a sexy English teacher.
Yeul
My autistic wife is cute. CUTE. She also has a great butt
the best girls are on the left end.
I had a teacher that looked kind of like her, but at the time I didn't even fathom doing stuff with her, she was extremely sweet too
now I remember middle school, thanks
I remember pre-release people were theorising she would be the main villain of FF13 and the new "sephiroth"
Then the final game came out and she's just like some secretary to the pope and has like 2 minutes of screentime then dies offscreen.
Such a great model wasted.
She dies onscreen.
>Main party crashes into the ship, she is the one sending alarms and organizing the forces to kill them, gets increasingly more nervous as she keeps failing.
>Party arrives into her and Bart's room, she gets all smug and goes "well well well I guess it's time you faced me(despite the fact she was a nervous wreck in the previous cutscene)
>Bart goes "nah that's just filler, let's get to main dish, which is me. Goodbye, b***h" and stabs her on the back.
she is so forgettable it may as well have been offscreen
breasts were memorable so she was a DLC boss fight/party monster in 13-2.
What was the point of her?
She's the oracle going around waking up the astrals, performing the rites with them so that noctis can gain their favor as part of the prophecy, she is healing people sick from the starscourge and it is her death that results in the starscourge spreading faster than ever before, as she was holding it back which took immense strain on her body. She is also childhood friends with Noctis and its her relationship with him with encourages him to keep moving forward even after bad things keep happening to him and those he cares about. She was bethrothed to Noct as part of a political wedding, while the wedding itself was just a front to be something Niflheim offered to lower Lucis's guard, Noct and Luna actually already liked each other anyway so the two were never against the wedding.
She is beloved in world as a celebrity and is basically the Zelda of FFXV's world
I think reading your sentence took longer than her entire screentime of FFXV
She has more screentime in XV than Zack and Sephiroth combined have in FF7. She has more screentime in XV than Kairi, Namine and Xion combined have in KH3. She has more dialog in XV than Jill has the entirety of FF16.
>brings up better games unprovoked
Hi Barry
XV is better than all of those games, yes. have a nice day already SBK91.
Even if that's true, the fact that people still say she didn't get enough screentime means that she lacked impact.
No they say she didn't get enough screentime because she died as soon as she reunites with noct and then a bunch of scenes happen afterwards, and people wanted to see that stuff before she died.
It's the same exact thing people say about Ace from one piece where we got his whole backstory and flashback only after he died
>She has more screentime in XV than Zack and Sephiroth combined have in FF7
Is this including the dlc?
>Is this including the dlc?
it's a Barry shitpost so I doubt he is actually telling the truth
Literally base XV
Hell zack had even less screentime in Japanese launch FF7, his entire death scene wasn't even in the game, that was added 9 months later for the international/western release, so 3 million people who bought ff7 in Japan at launch never saw that zack death scene/him dragging cloud to midgar
have a nice day already SBK91
Wasted potential.
She was LITERALLY the only villain in the game who had any kind of connection to the main characters (i.e. Sazh). The only one whose plot could have had a satisfying payoff, and they decided to have space pope kill her in a cutscene.
FFXIII plot was several times rewritten during development. That's why you had a lot of lines that are different in EN version. Many times they gave a script to localization team and just rewrote it later
Okay but you have to be aware of what the characters know and how the plot is structured. Like a common criticism is that it ends on a deus ex machina. All signs point to Ragnorok being the end of Cocoon. Every character, good and bad, acknowledges that Ragnorok is the end of Cocoon. The party has no way of subverting Ragnorok being the end of Cocoon. And after Orphan dies, they summon Ragnorok which means the end of Cocoon. The writers had to answer the question of how do the characters win when it's all said and done. I mean the villains every ambition was fulfilled. By rights, Barthandelus won right? So then a solution has to come from nowhere and then explained in the next game. Was 13 always planned to be a Trilogy? Because that ending didn't look like a sequel hook, it just looked incompetent.
>FFXIII plot was several times rewritten during development.
it doesn't matter. the director butchered the story not the writers.
SEXO
FFXIII-2's time travel doesn't make any sense but otherwise I thought the story was way more enjoyable than the original's.
Christ all those nothing characters showing up for like 5 minutes never to be seen again. Completely forgot about that. One more reason to be utterly annoyed by this game. The writing was fricking subterranean. And that's even when reading all the logs and keeping up with the general plot points/world building.
to be hot in a trailer
it's says something when all the shitposts "defending" FFXV all tell the critic to kill themselves instead of actually defending the game.
Maybe the game actually sucks ass. Especially when the devs went on to make Forspoken and it bombed so hard it killed the studio and XVI's sales had to balance out the losses
It says something when the person malding over XV is literally the homosexual SBK91 from Gamefaqs who has been exposed for over 7 fricking years as shitposting over XV with the same tired bullshit and debunked arguments
You want to see a failure look at FF16, literally tanked SE's stock in the quarter it released it, no other game had anything to do with tanking the stock as hard as FF16 did
The fricking Forspoken devs literally worked on FF16 and FF7R too, guess they are bad because of Forspoken devs huh
You do know that no one knows what the frick you're talking about @psxbnin. Only losers/lolcow watchers follow your side-account anyways
SBK91 you are literally a lolcow that has been getting BTFO here and on gamefaqs for over a decade.
Maximilliandood and Barry interacting on Twitter wasn't on my bingo card
Whatever you say @Bazztek (@psxbnin). I don't know what that acronym means
>two completely unrelated people
SBK91 you need to stop coping, you have been outed for years
A huge coincidence you would requote yourself when Max doesn't stand by what you said. Owning it to the eceleb right?
I guess you can't fricking read because you're an ESL seamonkey
And what are you? An Abo shitposter from Melbourne that's who. You're not even white
You're literally a Philipino subhuman seamonkey zoomer who wasn't even fricking alive when FF7 came out let alone when FF13 was in development, have a nice day.
Hope x Lightning or Hope x Vanille?
What was the better pairing?
Vanille all the way. Akword shota x genki e-girlbait is the purest form of love
I do a lot of b***hing about 13 but visually it actually holds up 2 console generations later.
That's just FF13 in a nutshell. It's a really pretty girl who's also kind of dumb
you talk like ywbaw
I'll admit my bias but I think every Final Fantasy game holds up pretty well visually.
How are her boobs darker than her face, is she wearing like a pantyhose bodysuit?
Yes
Kino
Isn't her point to provide doubt in Sahz? She's there for his character arc with his son and provides nothing else to the story.
The idea that she supposed to see Sazh as a tool. The Pulse L'Cie went missing after the Bodum Vestige blew up and everyone scattered in different directions. So Jihl thought if she captured a few of them then the rest would show up to rescue them. I don't know why she thinks this? For the first half of the game the party doesn't like each other which is why they scattered in the first place? But somehow the party actually does show up to rescue Sazh and Vanille. Because she somehow knew Fang would drag them all out to save her girlfriend? And the party is WAY more powerful than she thought they'd be. So her plan still failed on every level just for her to be killed by her boss.
She has no reason to assume they split the party because they hated each other. They could be doing that so it would be harder to capture all of them.
I thought that was Nonsunnerjack from the thumbnail.
I hope they will announce the Lightning trilogy remaster for PS5 soon
FF13 was my first FF and is one of the few FF games I've ever finished.
what was the point of this whole game
On a company level? To show off the power of the PS3 in a time where the X360 was shitting all over it because the PS3 Cell was too confusing for most developers
On a personal level? Toriyama spending millions of SE's dollars to bring his waifu to life
Should have been more involved with Sazh and his shit
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the other thread dieded. if anyone has story lore questions im here lol. (i have no life)
I guess the big one I have is the question of how this all started: how was Serah branded? Are you seriously going to tell me NO ONE noticed the Bodum Vestige until recently? It's a giant demon tower in the middle of town that has what everyone considers to be a Demon god inside of it, these paranoid buttholes should've blown it to Timbuktu long before Serah could get close enough to get branded. The fact that Serah lives on Cocoon and therefore has the same biases makes me wonder why she also wasn't freaked out by it
NTA, but IIRC the Pulse Vestige has been in Bodum for hundreds of years and people just assumed it's a statue. When Vanille and Fang woke up, the fal'cie also woke up. Serah was branded when she was passing through the vestige.
Wait so did Barthadelus know Fang and Vanille waking up was imminent and set up the Vestige being close enough for someone being close to it? Like someone moving Mt. Rushmore to a nearby town so some curious fool trying to understand what just happened to get cursed. This isn't me Frodoposting by the way, I genuinely do appreciate the explanation. I'm just to understand the order of events since, in game, it seems to jump from Snow and Serah watching the fireworks to Serah trying to break up with Snow because she got branded.
maybe Bart thought it was time because the population of Cocoon was enough for the sacrifice.
Okay so putting it together, and let me know if I'm wrong because I'm mashing together the stuff I remember from the game and your explanations, the actual war is between Lindzei (whom I guess represents Cocoon?) And Pulse. The Fal'Cie are their servants and humans are just slaves caught in the middle. Fal'Cie conscript humans to fight for them but it's Lindzei and Pulse who actually gives you power via crystal. But the crystal is cancerous. You either do your job and get frozen as crystal or the crystal metastasizes until you turn into a crystal zombie. I don't know if being frozen is actually like heaven or if you're effectively dead but no matter who wins, you lose.
But I guess Lindzei left Cocoon? Or at least Lindzei was so far away that the Fal'Cie on Cocoon was willing to kill everyone, including themselves, to bring their god back. I guess it begs the question of where did Lindzei go? Or why Lindzei and Pulse split from each other in the first place. I know the War of Transgression was Pulse picking a fight with Cocoon, a fight Pulse lost BTW. Which leads me to wonder why Pulse was spiteful enough to turn every human on Pulse into Ceith until the war grinded to a halt. But charitable enough to throw the gang a bone for stopping Cocoon's genocide text message.
Or maybe the takeaway is that I should just play 13-2 and LR. There must've been a better way to set this up though.
You're needlessly complicating things. Cid explains before his boss fight what the goal of Cocoon and Gran Pulse is; to crash the place so that everyone dies and the overload rips open Etro's Gate and they're reunited with their maker in death.
Serah got branded offscreen when she entered the Vestige some time after Fang and Vanille woke up. She was already branded during the fireworks scene with Snow.
But if you don't want to deal with all of that shit can you explain why exactly everyone was defrosted at the end of 13?
>everyone was defrosted at the end of 13?
Pulse granted crystal fragments with the ultimate goal of destroying Lindzei's fal'Cie. After the destruction of Orphan that goal was complete and Pulse simply took the crystal fragments back. their powers as well. that's why i think XIII-2 is not really canon. Lightning still has her powers. which makes no sense to me.
the Vestige just like everything from Pulse was considered some sort of cursed. it's that simple.
>The Pulse Vestige was a landmark in Bodhum and did not have an entrance until thirteen days before the Purge.
>It was taken to Cocoon in secret by Barthandelus in the aftermath of the War of Transgression. >The entrance formed when Fang and Vanille, who were inside the ruins, awoke from crystal stasis.
>Serah Farron accidentally found the entrance and was turned into a l'Cie by the fal'Cie Anima when she ventured inside out of curiosity.
>Lightning still has her powers. which makes no sense to me.
She and Hope both got l'cie'd again.
>The (Pulse or Cocoon) fal'cie are demi gods that chose humans to become l'cie
>By choosing them the planet god (Pulse or Lindzei) gives fragments of their crystal to said chosen humans
>the greater goal is the destruction of each other planet god
>the demi gods instruct the human slaves with smaller goals (Focus) which align with the destruction plan
>the crystal fragments are like sage power in naruto
>the longer a crystal is in you the more it grows
>you must balance the power of the crystal with your inner power or the crystal takes over
>in which case you turn into a monster (cie'th)
>the point of the "Focus" is that you do as the demi god commands you
>so that the demi god REWARDS you by freezing you into a crystal
>stopping the crystal growing and turning you into a cie'th
>if your own power growth matches up with the crystal power
>you become sage/ragnarol
to sum up:
>the demi gods chose which humans will serve
>it's the planet god that grants power through a crystal fragment
>but it's the demi god that can freeze the human and the crystal growth as a reward for completing a small task, the Focus
...
end game comes.
>the fal'cie that freeze you into a crystal since you completed the Focus are destroyed
>the God Pulse takes back his crystal fragment
This is actually wrong. Pulse and Lindzei's goals have nothing to do with destroying each other. Pulse's goal is to see if the Maker (Bhunivelze) is somewhere in the physical world, Lindzei's is to open the door to the Unseen Realm (afterlife/spirit world) and see if God is there.
Cocoon was a mass sacrifice to try to rip the gate to the afterlife open by flooding it with souls.
Anon, don't argue with him, save your time. It's just pointless. He's a literal moron.
>This is actually wrong. Pulse and Lindzei's goals have nothing to do with destroying each other
are you are right it's an oversimplification because it's irrelevant to what im actually trying to explain which is the process of l'cie to monster cie'th to crystal to ragnarok etc.
>He's a literal moron.
this is you, a frickton of headcanon released after FF XIII.
>Related
Final Fantasy XIII Episode Zero -Promise-, a web novel, later made into a CD drama, takes place in the weeks leading up to the events of Final Fantasy XIII.
Final Fantasy XIII Gaiden Shōsetsu: Yumemiru Mayu, Akatsuki ni Otsu, a six-chapter novella included in the Final Fantasy XIII Ultimania Omega, taking place from the time of the discovery of the Pulse fal'Cie in Bodhum through the events of Final Fantasy XIII.
Final Fantasy XIII -Episode i-, a novella released with Final Fantasy XIII International Ultimate Hits in Japan, which acts as an epilogue to Final Fantasy XIII, covering direct events following the game's ending.
Final Fantasy XIII-2 Fragments Before, a novella that delves into events between Final Fantasy XIII and Final Fantasy XIII-2, filling some of the second game's narrative gaps.
Final Fantasy XIII-2 Fragments After, a second novella set during and after the events of Final Fantasy XIII-2, completing the story arcs begun in Fragments Before and filling in further narrative gaps revolving around some of the secondary characters.
Etro defrosted them and erased their brands. Don't listen this dude
Source: Final Fantasy XIII-2 Fragments After.
>Regardless, Etro granted Lightning's wish. To aid Vanille and Fang, and make Lightning and the others' brands disappear. Granting salvation to the l'Cie who bore much sin.
Why Lightning can use magic in XIII-2 without a brand.
>She did not have a brand, but she could use magic. Maybe this phenomenon was to be attributed to Valhalla. This was after she had been confronted with a succession of strange happenings. She felt that this was the most valid interpretation.
Nice breasts on Hope's mom
Moms are tough
>Don't listen this dude
>Etro defrosted them and erased their brands
You literally say the same thing I said only you replaced Pulse with Etro.
The reason XIII-2 and LR were made was that the ending of XIII was confusing and Toriyama took advantage of that and decided to make shit up pretending it was part of his plan.
>Maybe
literally headcanon tier.
XIII-2 and LR are not canon:
>Cocoon is saved
>No underworld soul imbalance bullshit
>Pulse got back his crystal fragments/fal'cie are dead
>Meaning the marks are gone and the party unfroze
if you believe otherwise please be specific.
>You literally say the same thing I said only you replaced Pulse with Etro.
Yes, and this is a big difference. Pulse has nothing to do with returning from Cie'th form (shown here
), Brands erasing and defrosting party from Crystal stasis.
>The reason XIII-2 and LR were made was that the ending of XIII was confusing and Toriyama took advantage of that and decided to make shit up pretending it was part of his plan.
Literally headcanon tier.
>it was not Etro's brand tho. it makes more sense that Pulse did it.
And Dajh's brand wasn't Pulses's too, yet Dajh is without a brand in the end of XIII. Looks like Etro can erase every brand huh.
>Pulse has nothing to do with returning from Cie'th form (shown here
), Brands erasing and defrosting party from Crystal stasis.
Brother, you will need to explain this to me. Because you just repeat the same thing over and over and make no sense. Your picture makes no sense.
Of course Pulse does everything because it is HIS crystal fragment that gave them power. The brand is gone because he takes the crystal back. Also the freezing is gone because the fal'cie that did the freezing are dead.
>And Dajh's brand wasn't Pulses's too
No of course it wasn't Pulse's, it was Lindzei's. Again Im begging for an answer: WTF DOES ETRO HAVE TO DO WITH Lindzei and Pulse crystals.
>Literally headcanon tier.
no at all. Nojima penned the original game. Toriyama filled in the sequels/spin offs.
>Etro's always been sympathetic
My good brother: WTF DOES ETRO HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING THAT RELATES TO PULSE AND Lindzei. PLs explain.
>Flans.
I don't understand.
>My good brother: WTF DOES ETRO HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING THAT RELATES TO PULSE AND Lindzei. PLs explain.
She was made at the same time as Pulse and Lindzei, has all the same powers, except she can't make lesser fal'Cie like the two of them can. A lot of lore shenanigans happen, and she ends up in the Unseen Realm like what Cid describes in XIII. From there, she can look upon the world given that she's a goddess and she sees l'Cie suffer and sends them Eidolons to either help them overcome their grief or kill themselves to prevent turning into crystals. This doesn't happen with all of them, just some, but it's to be expected because not everyone's Focus was to destroy Cocoon and most were much more mundane (all the Crystal stones that give you missions in XIII).
>Flans
A giant flan damages the crystal so much it falls.
> WTF DOES ETRO HAVE TO DO WITH Lindzei and Pulse crystals.
XIII's world is based on a very soft magic lore. I don't know how she did it, yet she is the one who erased the brands. It is what it is, deal with it lmao. The mechanism of erasing/defrosting is unknown but the lore, the official lore, not your headcanon, has a concrete answer to what happened with to crystallised Dajh, Serah, Lightning etc.
>Yes, we do know that the reason Cocoon was not destroyed the first time Fang transformed into Ragnarok is Lindzei.
Are you fricking moronic?
>The Goddess pitied the fools who so blindly bowed to Lindzei's will
>The Goddess
>She robbed Ragnarok of power putting the l'Cie to an early crystal sleep
>She
Are you really that braindead? Lindzei is not a Goddess. There's only 2 Goddesses in FNC lore: Mwynn and Etro.
>yet she is the one who erased the brands
You are using XIII-2 lore to justify XIII-2. The party are Pulse l'cie with pulse's fragments. Dajh and Cid are Lindzei l'cie with Lindzei's fragments.
>Are you really that braindead? Lindzei is not a Goddess.
that's my fault but it still means nothing. it has nothing to do with completing a Focus in the first place. wtf was the point of posting this?
Once again the story, the one Nojima penned, is simple: the fal'cie are dead and Pulse got his fragment back. people did not understand that so Toriyama made his XIII-2 headcanon about Deus Ex Machina Etro.
>Once again the story, the one Nojima penned, is simple: the fal'cie are dead and Pulse got his fragment back. people did not understand that so Toriyama made his XIII-2 headcanon about Deus Ex Machina Etro.
Final Fantasy XIII writers:
Motomu Toriyama
Daisuke Watanabe
Nojima wrote the concept and you probably know this. In XIII all the characters are equally important. No one is a chosen hero. If anything Fang is the more important character. Lightning is as important as Snow, just a random person. I'm not hating just making sense of this.
The problem with FF XIII-2 is that it tries to make Lightning into a super special princess warrior. That's Toriyama's head canon. Lightning is only important if you use Etro as a Deus ex machina. Which he did taking advantage of the confusion over the ending of XIII.
The Goddess saving Cocoon in the War of Transgression means nothing about freezing of l'cie that completed their Focus. I don't even understand why you posted that quote.
Nojima wrote the concept of the FNC, not FF XIII.
>Nojima wrote the concept of the FNC
Yes this is before 2016. The FNC was meant to be a trilogy of separate games. FF XIII was never meant to be a trilogy. It was only decided after the other projects were stalling and Square wanted to make money back from the expensive engine. it has nothing to do with all the FF XIII-2 headcanon you see here
Who released Dajh from crystal stasis and erased his brand, stupid monkey?
>stupid monkey?
lol bro i don't remember how many years it's been since i met someone as stubborn as you. why are you being a dick instead of posting facts: you have been trying to justify FF XIII-2 being canon with... XIII-2 lore this entire thread.
Dajh was released from stasis because the fal'cie are dead. and yes like Cid he is a special one because he has a Lindsei brand. (which you actually don't see erased in the video I posted above because you were too busy calling me names)
>And then Toriyama
yes i agree. he took advantage of the confusion over the first game's ending and the management of Square wanting to make money on this proprietary engine since the other projects were going badly. and he made his head canon. i played it. i enjoyed it. it's still MAKING SHIT UP THAT CONTRADICTS THE VERY ENDING OF THE FIRST GAME. Also ruins Lightning from a perfectly fine solider character to the gaygiest warrior princess.
Yes, I could have done a better job. lolz
>Dajh was released from stasis because the fal'cie are dead.
What part of the Datalog, script or Ultimania states that if Fal'Cie dies his l'Cie will return from Crystal Stasis? Any statements that Pulse released heroes from Crystal Stasis?
the ending.
don't try to outweeb me. your justification for Lightning having powers in -2 was literally: "strange happenings lol"
Nothing in the ending shows Pulse did shit to them, nothing in the ending tells Pulse has power to return l'Cie from Crystal Stasis. I don't see Pulse in the ending cutscene. Where's Pulse? Show me Pulse in the ending cutscene. What I see is that Etro's Eye is closing, you dumb monkey. Try better next time.
>B-but Toriyama s-subverted Nojima's work on FNC...h-he did that...o-okay?
>erased his brand, stupid monkey?
>brand is not erased in the video of the ending
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>Same scene in FF XIII-2 literally telling you it didn't happen.
this is the most shameless headcanon ever introduced in a mainstream game ever. toriyama is the ultimate waifu gay
>wtf was the point of posting this?
To show you, stupid monkey, that FNC lore is a fricking clusterfrick. It doesn't explain how Etro can turn people into Crystal stasis, how she can reverse them from Cie'th form, how she can return them from Crystal stasis, yet, nevertheless, this very FNC lore states pretty clearly that:
1) She turned Vanille and Fang into crystal during War of Transgression (source: XIII's fricking Datalog, Analect IV. The Heavenly Deceit).
2) She returned the rest of the party from Cie'th form in the end of XIII (source: visual storytelling, play the fricking game).
3) She erased brands and returned the rest of the party from Crystal stasis (source: Final Fantasy XIII-2 Fragments Before).
And now I'm not writing this for you, but for other anons who really want to know the explanations of the lore.
>Lindzei is a girl.
Yes, you fricking moron. A girl. Here's your girl, picrelated.
I guess you're just a shitposter then.
God, I'm out of this circus.
>And now I'm not writing this for you
>that FNC lore
>source: Final Fantasy XIII-2
my brother in weeb: YOU ARE JUSTIFYING FF XIII-2 WITH FF XIII-2 lore. is that too complicated to understand?
>1) She turned Vanille and Fang into crystal
yes you repeat that but that's irrelevant to people turning into crystals after completing their focus.
>source: visual storytelling
XIII-2 are LR are spin offs/what if stories because this is NOTHING IN FF XIII that needs implies that Etro did anything about the very end.
>Yes, you fricking moron. A girl. Here's your girl, picrelated.
I was just correcting your misconception. Bhunivelze & Pulse are gods and Mwynn, Etro, Lindzei & Lightning are goddesses.
>Lindzei is not a Goddess.
Yes, she is. She's not that Goddess talked about there (Etro), but Lindzei is a girl.
>Etro defrosted them and erased their brands
it was not Etro's brand tho. it makes more sense that Pulse did it. i think the sequels are "What if" tier.
Etro's powerful, why wouldn't she just unfreeze them?
it's Pulse's Brand/crystal fragment. they complete the job and he takes it back. wtf does Etro have to do with anything. also it's the fal'cie that do the freezing/unfreezing. Etro doing anything is spin off tier nonsense.
I honestly don't even remember how they rationalize Cocoon falling in XIII-2, it's been so many years since i played the game and i totally forgot.
>it's Pulse's Brand/crystal fragment. they complete the job and he takes it back. wtf does Etro have to do with anything. also it's the fal'cie that do the freezing/unfreezing. Etro doing anything is spin off tier nonsense.
Etro's always been sympathetic to humans and the situation the fal'Cie put them in.
>I honestly don't even remember how they rationalize Cocoon falling in XIII-2, it's been so many years since i played the game and i totally forgot.
Flans.
>also it's the fal'cie that do the freezing/unfreezing.Etro doing anything is spin off tier nonsense.
This is the clearest evidence that you both don't understand the lore of the trilogy and haven't even bothered to read XIII's original datalog.
Specially for you:
>Ragnarok took wing; made to smite Cocoon, and thereby deliver us our everlasting peace. But Her Providence would not let it be. The Goddess pitied the fools who so blindly bowed to Lindzei's will, and so She robbed Ragnarok of power, putting the l'Cie to an early crystal sleep, Focus yet incomplete.
>Specially for you:
Bro you are so stubborn i will have to accuse you of being an ESL:
Yes, we do know that the reason Cocoon was not destroyed the first time Fang transformed into Ragnarok is Lindzei. That means little about l'cie being crystalized and even less about Etro.
took wing; made to smite Cocoon, and thereby deliver us our everlasting peace. But Her Providence would not let it be. The Goddess pitied the fools who so blindly bowed to Lindzei's will, and so She robbed Ragnarok of power, putting the l'Cie to an early crystal sleep, Focus yet incomplete.
This says that Lindzei froze Pulse l'cie that had turnt into Ragnarok to prevent them from destroying Cocoon. Completely different from freezing someone that completed their Focus.
>Why Lightning can use magic in XIII-2 without a brand.
>it just happened bro
what you quoted explains nothing
Ok, how the hell does throwing ooze and bone fragments onto a sword make attaching a particle accelerator more effective? The weapon upgrading system NEVER made sense to me unless this is some AMP shit.
Q: What the frick happened between XIII-2 and LR (ie the world, border, the PEOPLE)
Q: what are your thoughts on Noel taking a backseat despite getting attention and powerful throughout XIII-2?
>Q: What the frick happened between XIII-2 and LR (ie the world, border, the PEOPLE)
as a lore guy i honestly gave up on the sequels and don't consider them canon. Lightning has powers because... she just does.
what was the protagonists' plan with orphan? all they had to do was... nothing. they know killing orphan destroys cocoon and yet they still go through with it.
why?
preferably by citing things that are actually in the first game
Reminder that she has a very interesting boss battle in XIII-2
She is dlc though because SE are greedy fricks
Tetas
What's with the kingdom hearts clothing design?
What was the point of the entire Lightning trilogy?
>What was the point of the entire Lightning trilogy?
lol it's a trilogy IF you want it to be.
the first game has a perfect ending:
>the demi gods were planning the destruction of cocoon as a >sacrifice to big daddy god.
>you save the day.
>the end
i gave up trying to make sense of the other two games. you can perfectly well ignore them.
Don't bother actually trying to explain the lore or whatever to me. It's not going to stick. I never even finished the first game, far from it. It's a wonder that I even managed to get as far as I did. I just know, or I think I know, Lightning is supposed to be the focal point of the three games?
For Toriyama to meet his wife Lightning in France after the third game. I'm not joking.
>they shafted her so hard they don't even remember what they wanted to do with her so they just made her into a XIII-2 boss DLC which does not expand her character niche or story or appeal in any way shape or form
>tfw bought it anyway
I could be wrong but i feel Toriyama is to blame. The story/lore of the game is good. the director was not good enough to deliver it properly.
>Bart trains the party to become Super Sayan/Ragnarok to kill Oprhan
>The crystal inside them is growing as shown by the gradual mark change
>Bart needs ONE of them to reach power level 13 and become Ragnarok
>The OVERALL concept of the game is that the party never had a common goal
>At the very end of the game they finally work together and use power level 12 times 6
>Kill Oprhan, Cocoon goes down
>Fang and Vanille together reach power level 13 and become Ragnarok and save the day
>the fal'cie that froze them into a crystal die
>pulse takes back the crystal
They had an entire franchise based around FFXIII ready to go, with Versus XIII planned after XIII. That's probably why they fleshed out the lore that much. We all know what happened to Versus XIII and FNC.
I thought that tattoo changing stuff was just their timelimit
>hot white woman
>needs a point for existing
lmao
to live and die in the FMV dimension. doesnt even have an ingame model
Kind of a waste of a character, isn't she?
>tittyhose
i never knew that this is something i desperately need women to wear
To makes penises hard
To get people to buy the game. Unironically. She was in all the promotional material.
no she waeint
XIII IS BETTER THAN XIV
You know, as much as I may say I'm a Lightninggay now, as a teen a blew way too many loads to Vanille.
>That one scene where she's moaning like a little bawd.
Vanille is for hardcore appreciation, care and love .
Vanille's already taken by Fang
Lightning X Snow
Hope X Vanille
Serah X Noel
Fang X Sazh (platonically as parents)
Caius X Stupid autistic b***h
THERE FIXED YOUR CANON PAIRINGS YOU ARE WELCOME
Based
At this point "Nomura" has become a word for "thing I don't like"
Honest XIII-2 is the worst entry and I don't know why people shill it as the best. I still like it but I love the original and LR way more.
>Honest XIII-2 is the worst entry and I don't know why people shill it as the best.
I see a lotta praise for the monster mechanic, telling the story up front and "focusing on a small cast" but really, yeah. It's still not a very good game. It wasn't my first mon capture game so it didn't do anything for me there, the XIII lore aspect was ridiculous and went off the rails.
They'd prob say LIGHTNING RETURNS was the best if they could get their head around the battle system. It was the tightest of the 3 with another incoherent plot. Only they really, really don't like the battle system.
Best thing I can say about the trilogy as a whole is the monster extinction stuff in LR is neat and I like the limited window concept. XIII-2 isn't worth replaying, ever. Same for XIII, they lack mechanical depth on any level and there's no mods to fix that.
What's with the influx of FFXIII trilogy threads?
>FFXIII trilogy threads?
it's mostly lore gaygin. you see the original game ending up in a confusing way and the director took advantage of this fact to literally make his headcanon sequel without the original writers.
For me it's Chocococolina!
Fapped to her once.
Some boobs for the cinematic trailers.
XIII actually has more forgettable side characters than XVI
For a franchise that focuses on story telling; this has to be an all time low for FF.
Pic related is the ending of FF XIII. Vanille and Fang sacrifice themselves to save Cocoon and the rest are unfrozen by Pulse because they did such a good job. Lightning is a nobody like everyone else.
Toriyama had the nerve to make a "sequel" where he says lol nope, that didn't happen you imagined it because he wanted to turn HIS favorite character into a chosen superhero. I dare ANYONE to show me a more moronic moment in the history of FF.
XIV
Where the hell is Lindsay
This game felt like it was first written as some kind of light novel/visual novel rather than to be a game's story, there's also a kind of melancholic/mopey toney throughout the game that's also very characteristic of light novels.
But man it was such a good looking game, like props to the arts department, the game was colourful, beautiful and had a unique visual identity in a time where most games were just brown grimdark slops.
I'm not going to lie, I didn't even notice she had glasses on
When did Lazy Procrastinator videos get so fricking bad?
No seriously. He's two steps away from full bimbofication. Man his aerith videos were so good.... Wtf happened
Making a Tifa video broke him.
>People unironically arguing about the plotline of a trilogy that was literally designed to culminate with Lightning ending up in France to spiritually be with Toriyama
If you look at the series through that lens, a ton of shit makes more sense.
>Toriyama is a Lightninggay and a Francegay
>In the ending of LR, Lightning says "soon we'll be together"
Actually that makes sense
God bless his dress up fetish at least.
unironically arguing about the plotline of a trilogy
lol the point is that it was never a trilogy to begin with. Nojima and Watanabe and Toriyama originally didn't write a trilogy. XIII has a perfect ending. Toriyama made it into a trilogy because of his infinite gayotry.
And then Toriyama decided he was going to make his this his magnum opus to his waifu and he did. And thus we got the trilogy where he meets his waifu in France.
Toriyama visited France two weeks before Lightning Return's release. I bet he visited that pier.
V A N I L L E
My love.
Vanille - a never-ending source of inspiration and encouragement.
Vanille - the last beacon of hope for Final Fantasy and gaming in general.
3DCG is so low brow, you guys should jack off to gacha doujins like everyone else.
to have massively wasted potential and underuse her apparently because squenix are definitely good at their jobs. man jihl was fricking kino, took the quistis appeal from the hospital cinematic and then stuck her on the bad guys side.
Vanille - Queen of cuteness AND adorable silliness. Her motto:
>Leave charming turboautism to me!
so pissed i jerk offd to her only to find out later she's a dyke
Anon she's not a dyke. Fang is like a sister to her.
And if she is, then I CAN FIX HER .
V A N I L L E
A
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She killed millions.
But on the other hand she saved millions!
Hmmmmmmm....
>FF XIII ending (5:45 mark)
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>Same scene in FF XIII-2 literally telling you it didn't happen.
this is the most shameless headcanon ever introduced in a mainstream game ever. toriyama is the ultimate waifu gay
I only played XIII, what was it supposed to have in common with Versus and Type Zero? If I recall it was just the same mythology is that right?
the god system. ultimate it means nothing but it's very interesting if you dig into the development hell and evolution of XV's story.
A lot of the concepts still remain. Crystal stasis, floating souls, l'Cie with a task...
Vanille - no, she's not the best...
SHE'S THE BESTEST
I don't understand much about graphics, but is the reason XIII looks so good even now because of static lightning? I heard it takes more effort but it allows for more artistic expression compared to dynamic, is that right?
Vanille - some scientists describe her as a miracle of the world. The scientific community doesn't a definite answer as to what Vanille is, but everyone agrees on the fact that her existence is precious to the world and that humanity must protect Vanille at all costs.
Still my favorite FF character design, charming voice and personality too
Cool design but ugly voice.
Here's why we are being SO hypocritical here: The story of Caius, Yuel and Noel is good. It's a solid proper jrpg story. And they fricking ruined it by trying to shoehorn a Lightning story into it. They could have made another Etro stan and make this an interesting side story without the gibberish convoluted XIII character tie in nonsense that everyone hated. I don't know if it was Toriyama or the eternally moronic SE management that thought "if we pretend this is a direct sequel to FF XIII, we will force people to buy it". It could have been a superb FF XIII indirect sequel if they ignore Lightning and the other characters of the first game because guess what, their story is done, they won, they lost their marks the end. The point of their story was that they were nobodies to begin with. But no. They decided to FORCE a direct sequel out of XIII and make Lightning into the warrior goddess.
Cid Raines
True Hero
CHAOS?
Indeed
ikedori musume vanille
Versus XIII