What was the precise moment when Sonic went to shit? Was it Heroes or SA2?

What was the precise moment when Sonic went to shit? Was it Heroes or SA2?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    when the CIA poisoned the fanbase with radiation, making them fetish obsessed dreaks

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What does the fanbase have to do with the games though?

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    colors
    hopefully frontiers is the end of that era

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hopefully Frontiers is the end of Sonic Team

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >automation
      >2D
      >poor quality level design
      >quantity > quality
      Frontiers, like most games after Colors is just a continuation of all the bad shit Colors introduced.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    sonic 3d blast

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      tpbp

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cringe @ you

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    heroes is borderline unplayable at points

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's definitely not true. I've never been all that great at Heroes (I still net consistent A ranks) but its literally no different than any other Sonic game just replay it enough and learn where enemies are, when to reserve your team blast, and where to take the quickest shortcuts.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    SA2 was a good game that aged poorly.

    Heroes was always a mediocre game with insane padding just to unlock the final scenario.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    SA2 took the franchise to a point where most franchises would end, dark story with highest stakes and all the gameplay styles, and the results after have been desperately trying to scramble cohesion ever since

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      My idea for SA3 was always a amalgamation of say 6/7 different game styles and maybe some overarching plot, etc. The problem with continuing SA2 is indeed the story (or continuing the Shadow game for that matter), but they could just make it another alternate timeline thingy and no one would care.

      Another good (great) approach is just start treating Sonic properly as the many multiverse Sonics he is, and make a fun game out of them kinda mimicking some Spiderman humor or shenanigans in the way. The different playstyles/gameplays is a nice idea for someone like myself that has a pretty varied taste in games though. Imagine some self-contained 3D platformers Adventure levels for one Sonic, then Classic 2D for another Sonic or a random character, throw in bizarre shit like stealth gameplay as Chaotix or Scorpio and a Great Cave Offensive-like gem-hunt for Rouge. Maybe Space Harrier inspired shit for Tails/Tornado or Outrun for Metal.

      Then we would finally have a Sonic game for NO ONE BUT ME!

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Shadow the Hedgehog. It was aggresively stupid and aggresively mediocre. The low points are really bad, while the high points aren't anything above 7/10

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shadow the Hedgehog is such an interesting game because it SHOULD be the Sonic game that most people should enjoy. The gameplay is exclusively SA2 Sonic/Shadow style which were the only parts of SA2 people actually liked.

      The gunplay isn't even that bad but it was unnecessary

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Shadow the hedgehog was the Sonic/Shadow stages from SA2 but with the awful slippery Sonic Heroes controls. Really bad.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >shit stages : The Doom, Lost Impact, Mad Matrix, Central City, Black Comet, Final Haunt
        >mediocre stages : Westopolis, Glyphic Canyon, Iron Jungle, Death Ruins, Air Fleet
        >good stages : Digital Circuit, Lethal Highway, Circus Park, Cryptic Castle, Prison Island, Sky Troops, The ARK, Space Gadget, GUN Fortress, Lava Shelter, Cosmic Fall
        It's a mixed bag of a game

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The problem is Shadow's objectives being a bad retread of Team Chaotix missions in Sonic Heroes, so if you didn't want to be stuck basically going down the neutral 6 missions only you had to do some of that shit, it sucked, and all the backtracking to look for the needle in the haystack was extremely not fun.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I remember getting stuck on a mission where you have to kill like 60 artificial chaos and couldn't finish it before I had to return the game to blockbuster

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The gameplay is exclusively SA2 Sonic/Shadow style which were the only parts of SA2 people actually liked.
        Except the fact Heroes onward was the point physics was removed in favor of the binary movement style we are still plagued with today with Frontiers.

        I actually made a epiphany and realized Lost WOrld and Shadow being my least favorite Sonic games in the entire series wasn't a coincidence, both have the near exact issues between them just from two extremely opposite sides of the spectrum in its presentations that would make people not see the comparisons so easily.

        >I hate the plot, both are ass retarded no matter how you look at them
        >The gameplay is literally inferior versions of better games
        >Both games are the only Sonic games ever I never completed
        >The presentation is basically the extreme of "not what I want" as it bastardizes the appeal of Sonic games between their tones.
        >The characters not only talk all the fucking time, but 99% of the characters I have to put up with I don't fucking like/unlikable by characterization alone
        >The only characters I do like (Maria/Zazz) are accompanied with the worse stages in the entire game)
        >The entire game "looks" the most polished out of any modern Sonic game but the entire concept is the most flawed out of any platformer ever conceived, even making Bubsy look more consistent and focused.

        It's kinda amazing Sonic Team is so shit they can basically remake the same game just from two vastly looking extremes in tone but both be near identically flawed and retarded.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Gameplay-wise, StH had a lot of improvements over heroes: Rail switching, better lock-in, better homing attacks, less glitchy auto segments (loops, etc.). Of course it's not without its flaws (e.g. the blimp level that makes aiming a nightmare, beating levels like The Doom without the heal gun being a slog, the egregious amounts of padding forcing you to play the same levels at least 3 times (+1 for hard mode)).

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The slipperiness as a result of the increased acceleration from Heroes is retained, with none of the level design surrounding it that Heroes had. The guns are unsatisfying as hell to use when you manage to get them to hit, but they’re still your only viable method of attack. The homing attack barely works in comparison to the one in its predecessor, as it’s weak as hell, has sent me falling through the floor on numerous occasions, and has no way to make it stronger. The spin dash builds up barely any speed and doesn’t have much use throughout the game. Melee attacks aren't worth a mention.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're supposed to use the guns, duh. It does suck when you're dealing with big enemies, and you're reduced to jumping on them (1 hit while rising, 1 while falling).

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You're supposed to use the guns, duh.
            No, they treat them like opional shit and if tey watned DMC, remove everything about Sonic from the game and force the games as 24/7 gameplay style. You can't get people invested in a forced gimmick if the gimmick alone was the very thing that made people that the game was a April Fools gun. THEN have the gall to show just how embaressed you are about the concept to make Shadow play like a different game entirely with guns and vechicles thrown in as extras

            The game is shit, the focus is clearly all over the fucking place. Even fucking Frontiers is more focus than this trope, as they actively rewrote how Sonic moved from Forces into something more designed for the BotW open field.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Heroes and Shadow use the same engine, but the controls and programming don't feel quite the same. They had a different lead programmer and different player character programmer

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Heroes's lead programmer was Tetsu Katano (same as SA2 and Dreamcast version of SA1) and Shadow's lead programmer was Takeshi Sakakibara

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Shadow the Hedgehog makes zero improvements of any kind to Heroes and I don't know why anyone thinks it does. It's purely a downgrade in every aspect.
    >b-but rail gri-
    Letting you spam the B button on rails to keep performing tricks infinitely with no speed cap or punishment attached is not a good thing. It's braindead. It's dumbed down from its predecessors. In the whole 2 out of 23 levels you can switch rails in, the scenarios in which this is possible are less interesting than any rail segment in Forces.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Whether you like Heroes or not, it was still better than Billy Hatcher, released 3 months before. Level design has more going for it and the graphics don't look like a souped up Dreamcast game. Soundtrack is also way, way better

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I had a lot more fun with Billy Hatcher.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Did you play Heroes on PS2 or something?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Gamecube, why?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            PS2 runs at half the framerate or something like that.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >game with the very best song in the entire franchise
    >only 1% of its players ever heard it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fuck forgot link, I went too fast

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Asking someone to beat essentially the same game four times in a row is a pretty tall requirement just to fight the final boss
        At the very least Amy's team made it easy to also get all 7 Chaos Emeralds

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    SA2 was objectively when the series lost its identity and became trend chasing slop. Heroes should have been good. It had all the right ingredients to be good. But it was underbaked as fuck and rushed out the door to be multiplat. Then it was followed up by two of the most reviled games in the series.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mania

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Neither.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >all those games that high

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You got a problem with Rush?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >any 3D game above S3&K or S2
      >S4 anywhere above fuckballs grade
      what

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >SA in dumpster fire, below 06, Secret Rings, 4, Chaotix
      >Meanwhile its sequel is in Best

      what the fuck

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shit and bait list but I'll bite: How the fuck people enjoy Advance 1&2? legit one of the worst platformers in the system, complete with bullshit enemy/hazard placement and screen crunch.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >SA1, the primarch of sovl, that low
      >Gens, mid at best classic Sonic recreation and boostshit, at the top

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Colors Wii/Ultimate above the DS version
      get this retarded twitter/reddit nonsense out of my face

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        DS version is just okay. The earlier Rush games were more interesting.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's true but the wisps are executed perfectly in Colors DS no other games that feature wisps come as close because they actually feel rewarding to use and it also had online multiplayer whereas the Wii version only had local. I'm not gonna mention the Super Sonic fight because most SS fights are usually wack as hell but its extra content so whatever

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >unleashed that low down
      >unwiished over hd unleashed
      Actual retard

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes it really was. It's such a fucking jarring and nonsensical shift. It's the exact point that Sonic became totally schitzophrenic and lost it's identity. Every game after SA2 is practically a reboot. This is regardless. This is regardless of how good it is. Like every Sonic game probably could have been something really good if it wasn't rushed to shit

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the entire sonic xtreme dev cycle

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    SA2 was a halfway point

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When the Dreamcast died and Sega went third party.
    The only time Sonic was ever good was when the games were developed as tech demos for Sega's consoles. With Sega not having any consoles of their own, they have no motivation to give a shit, which means Sonic games are obligatory bargain bin crap only churned out to keep merch on store shelves.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That might be part of it as well

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sonic went to shit with Sonic 1, became kino with Adventure, then later went back to being shit again with Colors.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    2006

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If we're talking about Sonic games by Sonic Team, it was after Sega merged with Sammy in 2004. Heroes was the last game before that happened

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sonic Adventure 1 hub world and non sonic levels and characters

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Heroes was the start of a trend to change the tone of the series from SEGA-brand weirdness to a more Nintendoified vision of what a children's game should be. It was the first Sonic game to have less soul than a prior game in order to seek a wider audience.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have my issues with SA2 but I'd still call it a good game.
    And I love Heroes but it's absolutely where Sonic started falling off. And the shit hit the fan immediately after.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Heroes was more of a flat 5/10 but it showed signs of the franchise's identity crisis. Weird mix of classic and Adventure elements without fully embracing either. The tone is all over the place, it's got the happy-go-lucky basic story at first and then turns into SA's melodrama later on as they fight a giant anime monster.

    Simplifying rail grinding also ruined it going forward. In SA2 it's a pretty risky move just like in real life. From Heroes onward it became far too automated with some parts just becoming Temple Run.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the only "melodrama" I remember was shadow's identity crisis and that was way before the "giant anime monster" fight

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You don't remember anything Metal Sonic said? They finally gave him a personality and he was an angsty whiny bitch

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          what were his "angsty whiny bitch" lines?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >"All living things KNEEL before your master"
            >"Sonic... My lonesome copy"
            >"I shall become the Ultimate Overlord, ruling as the most supreme being"
            >"I am the Ultimate Overlord, Metal Sonic. I am the REAL Sonic" ~ literal trannie speak

            Literally sounds like a seething incel edgelord, but, unlike Shadow, sounds absolutely pathetic by comparison, which is a literal slap to the face to any Metalfag of the 90s.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Cooler than Shadow. Cope and seethe.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I never said I liked Shadow retardo, I said Heroes made him into a joke compared to his OG classic stuff, actively making himself look even more pathetic than Shadow pulling the edgelord shit.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Did Shadow do something that was out of line in Heroes? He had amnesia and from what I remember he doesn't act out of character at all. Shadow the Hedgehog the game on the other hand that's another story and 06 is also a really great spotlight for Shadow in terms of his character and overall story compared to Silver and Sonic.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                him still being alive was out of line

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's not his fault though

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                SA1, SA2, Heroes and Shadow are the golden era of Sonic games though.
                '06 shat the bed and Unleashed made it worse.

                >Cooler than Shadow
                lmao

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >In SA2 it's a pretty risky move just like in real life
      Grinding was super safe in SA2 if you jumped without moving the analog stick. It was just that switching via tilting the it inevitably sent you plumetting to your death if you were going fast enough.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Oh I meant more getting on the rail itself, there would be rails on the edges of Metal Harbor and Green Forest for example. You can learn them with time but they didn't feel like automated sections of the levels, more like dangerous options for style points.

        For rail switching, I finally figured out a good method this year, which is to quickly shunt the stick from neutral to left/right at the exact same time you jump.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It has the tone of a 90s kids' cartoon made to sell toys. What the hell is your threshold for melodrama?

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Heroes is better than what came after ONLY because it still had Shiro Maekawa involved as game designer and writer. His absence in the Shadow game was so noticeable

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1991

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Heroes is such dogshit, I don't understand what people see in it. and I played it when I was 12 and hated it then too.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >stage artists : Kazuyuki Hoshino, Hiroshi Nishiyama, Yoshitaka Miura, Takahiro Kudo, Michikazu Tamamura, Daizo Kinoshita

    >soundtrack : Jun Senoue, Naofumi Hataya, Yutaka Minobe, Tomoya Ohtani, Keiichi Sugiyama, Hideaki Kobayashi, Mariko Nanba, Teruhiko Nakagawa, Fumie Kumatani
    Heroes' graphics (shiny models by Nobuhiko Honda aside) and music are really good

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I played the PS2 version and it was a broken mess. Was it just this port ?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The PS2 version is worst but it's no masterpiece on the GC.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a mediocre game at best but the PS2 port is significantly worse than every other version.

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Personally I'd say SA2 since for me that's the moment the series decided to get rid of any semblance of identity it once had. SA1 also did this but I think to a lesser extent. Heroes I'd argue was actually an attempt to return to form with a very classic feel to the whole thing but the game is poorly designed and they probably overextended with their first multiport title.
    But I think Shadow and 06 was the one two punch the series never really recovered from.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Heroes is so frustrating, the foundation for a great Sonic game is there, all it needed is a few small tweaks but it's like they didn't even playtest it and pushed an alpha prototype with a thin coat of polish to make it look presentable.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There is a PC version. If only some autist would go through the trouble of making some definitive version alongside mod tools we could get a good version of Heroes.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          PC port came out in november 2004, almost a year after Heroes released on consoles in january 2004. It's better than PS2 version, but i'd still recommend the Gamecube and Xbox versions more.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I played the GC version recently and I still had plenty of bullshit deaths due to buggy physics and automatic sections glitching out or sending me toward bottomless pits. The bonus stages are completely broken too, the top part of the pipe doesn't work at all and even if you stay in the half pipe the game can randomly decide to spazz out and kill your momentum making the Emerald hunt a crapshoot. This should not have been a requirement for the final boss, not with the state it was released in.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There's already a mod that tweaks the controls and adapted the levels for the new speed

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Do classicfags really?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Heroes is probably the closest the 3D games have been to the classic design. Art direction is 100% Sonic, music is funky, story is simple and straightforward, levels have the occasional lower level/easier/less rewards vs higher level/harder/more rewards. The gameplay sucks though and the 4 different campaigns just fuck it further.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Genji

    Real talk? Sonic adventure 1

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Nights into Dreams (1996)
    >Burning Rangers (1998)
    >Sonic Adventure (1998)
    >ChuChu Rocket (1999)
    >Samba de Amigo (1999)
    >Phantasy Star Online (2000)
    >Sonic Adventure 2 (2001, USA team)
    >Billy Hatcher and the Giant Egg (2003)
    >Sonic Heroes (2003, USA team)
    >Sega Superstars (2004)
    >Shadow the Hedgehog (2005, USA team)
    >Phantasy Star Universe (2006)
    >Sonic the Hedgehog (2006)
    >Sonic and the Secret Rings (2007)
    >Nights Journey of Dreams (2007, USA team)
    >Sonic Unleashed (2008)
    >Sonic and the Black Knight (2009)
    >Sonic Colors (2010)
    >Sonic Generations (2011)
    >Sonic Lost World (2013)
    >Sonic Forces (2017)
    >Sonic Frontiers (2022)
    Sonic Team's home console 3D games. They established the USA team in 1999 and closed it down in 2008

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    3D blast, though the adventure games were also terrible

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sonic Heroes 100%

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    shadow the edgehog was the first sonic game I disliked as a kid

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What was the precise moment when Sonic went to shit?
    None. But let's talk about the game that put him back on the map.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Sonic Heroes (2003, USA team)
      >Shadow the Hedgehog (2005, USA team)
      >Sonic the Hedgehog (2006)
      >Sonic and the Secret Rings (2007)
      >Sonic Unleashed (2008)
      >Sonic and the Black Knight (2009)
      >Sonic Lost World (2013)
      >Sonic Forces (2017)

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don't lump Heroes with the post Sammy games

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          as a zoomer whose first game EVER was Heroes, it is a shit game that only literal autistics praise because the volume of playable characters satisfies their mental needs.

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It annoys me that this piece of shit was credited as a Sonic Team game, cause it isn't true. It was made by United Game Artists. It just so happens that Sonic Team absorved UGA towards the end of development, so it got credited as a ST game. I checked the names of the people behind this game on Mobygames, and none of them worked at ST before. It's all UGA people

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I know it still technically has gameplay variety in the forms of switching characters on the fly, but I don’t enjoy Heroes much because SA2 had much more variety with the types of levels, like treasure hunting and speed levels are way different, makes it more unique in that sense. plus I’ve always been put off by the heroes/shadow models, they’re way too shiny

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Trasure hunting in SA2 sucked dick, the concept is good but execution is horrible, removing them with the mech shit to focus on Sonic gameplay was one of the things Heroes did right.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The only gripe I have is they fucked with the radar from SA1. the Knuckles stage’s music is too good for me to have any distaste towards those levels too

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I still don't get the interest in treasure hunting. It's just playing as a metal detector. It's as exciting as playing 52 pickup. I think the mech missions at least made more sense in SA1 since it was a twist with the timer counting down, although it's so easy to get more time that it never comes into play.

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What goes up must come down
    >Yet my feet don't touch the ground
    >See the world spinning upside down
    >A mighty crash without a sound
    >I can feel your every rage
    >Step aside, I'll turn the page
    >Breaking through your crazy maze
    >Like a laser beam, my eye's on you
    >Watch me rule the night away
    >Watch me save the day
    >Feel my storm, it's getting close
    >Headed your way
    >Sonic Heroes, Sonic Heroes
    >Find you, confine you
    >Defying your reign
    >Sonic Heroes, Sonic Heroes
    >Setting the stage for a heroes parade

    >I don’t care what you're thinkin' as you turn to me
    >'Cause what I have in my two hands
    >Is enough to set me free (set me free)
    >I can fight the feeling
    >To resist it all the time
    >But when it's just too much to take
    >You sneak up from behind
    >Is it me
    >You say, you're looking for
    >Let me show you who I am and what I'm here for... (here for)
    >Heeeeeeeeeeeey!
    >Try to reach inside of me
    >Try to drain my energy
    >Let me show you just what I'm made of!
    >Simple curiosity, try to take a bite of me
    >Let me show you just what I'm made of now!

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >development of Heroes began in early 2002
    >Sonic X premiered in april 2003
    >Heroes came out in december 2003
    I have no doubt that X had an influence on Heroes during development

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As a kid, Heroes was the first time I thought a Sonic game was just okay instead of thinking it was the best thing ever. And Shadow the Hedgehog was the first time I was actively pissed off at a Sonic game and hated it. Heroes at least didn't make me angry while playing it.

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Shadow
    Heroes was mediocre but Shadow was the first truly awful game
    people excused it because it was a spin off but what followed was 06….

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      06 was an improvement over Shadow. Better level design, bosses, controls, soundtrack, aesthetics, textures, gameplay variety, characterization and story (if only because it has a story, and because it has some heart)

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        a shit with a cherry is still a shit tho

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The worst thing a videogame can be for me is uninspiring. Shadow is an uninspiring game. 06 isn't

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Shadow the Hedgehog is what soured the franchise on the eyes of gaming journalists. It's an incredibly dislikeable and ugly looking game

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There is only one good Sonic game, Sonic the Hedgehog 2.

    The first Sonic had shit level design, it's unbelieavable how many levels had parts where you had to completely halt and partake in clunky platforming.

    Sonic and knuckles had levels that were too big and a shit soundtrack.

    Sonic CD suffered from an extremely shitty soundtrack and bizarre level design which mixed it up too much and couldn't find a consistent flow to enjoy.

    The Sonic Adventure games are clunky 3d garbage that only low iq individuals enjoy, it is impossible to witness a playthrough of that game without it sperging out.

    Sonic Heroes is boring as fuck with shit action constantly interrupting the flow of the mediocre platforming

    Shadow the Hedgehog is like Sonic Heroes but worse

    Sonic 06 has nothing left to be said about it

    Sonic Unleashed introduces the boost mechanic, which is dumb fun but doesn't really do much for fun platforming and is more reaction based, but even this mechanic isn't allowed to be enjoyed for what it is due to the were-hedgehog bullshit.

    Sonic Colors is held back by pretty mediocre level design, cringey cutscenes, and an unfun power up gimmick

    Sonic Generations is close to being a good Sonic game, but the boost mechanic is still just not enough to carry a game and the classic sections are for some reason inspired by the shit level design of the first sonic game rather than the second one

    Sonic Lost World is a worse Mario Galaxy in every sense of the word

    Sonic Boom is a boring, buggy, beat em up mess, debatably not even a real sonic game

    Sonic Mania is inspired by Sonic and Knuckles and Sonic CD and winds up being shit for it

    Sonic Forces is a worse Sonic Generations

    Sonic the Hedgehog 2 is the only game which fines the perfect balance between Sonic's speed, level design, and music. It's a masterpiece of a game and it's a shame they somehow never once recaptured its magic.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ignored for being the truth

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't want to accept how accurate this is but it is true even if I enjoyed Heroes or knuckles

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      worst post in the thread

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I like Sonic 2 as well but your whole argument about how level designs in the other games are slow or too long gets completely shattered when this zone gets brought up.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >No way to become super sonic at will it just automatic
      >Some of the most forgettable Zones ever like Hill top.
      >Started the half pipe special stage trend that would plague the series for years.
      >2 act zones
      Sonic 2 is the worst of the Classic and this is a fact.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >2 act zones
        What's wrong with this? I'd rather get 9 2-Act Zones than 6 3-Act Zones. It leads to more level variety.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why yes, I want flat fucking levels like it's Mario or some shit just so I can literally hold right 2 win. Fuck yourself

      The fact you even said you liked boostshit proves it. Sanic is not about speed, it's about exploration of momentum and getting good at it.

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    a lot of the negative reviews that 06 got back in the day were reviews of the PS3 version, which is garbage. I only take the reviews of the superior 360 version seriously, cause it's literally impossible to enjoy 06 on PS3

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      PS3 version of 06 has loading times that are 12 seconds longer, downgraded visuals, worse draw distance and a horrible framerate. 360 version stays at 60fps most of the time, with only a few brief chugs, but PS3 version chugs constantly and for lengthy periods of time.

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Neither. It started with Shadow the Hedgehog, and fully went down the shitter with Sonic 06.

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I know /sthg/fags and 19-year olds on Youtube love their chuuni shit, but SA2 really is where Sonic jumped the shark in terms of its tone/writing. Heroes dialed that back to a more simplistic cartoon plot, but the gameplay was so mediocre that it was the first mainline title to get a really mixed reception. Then Ow the Edge was a combination of a laughable story with awful gameplay, and the series never really recovered, with 06 doubling down on the self-aggrandizing plot and shit gameplay, though imo 06 still isn't as bad as ShTH.

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    SA2 was the best sonic game by far

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sega merged with Sammy in october 2004, but the announcement was done in may. Shadow the Hedgehog probably started production after this announcement. Clearly a game that reeks of executive meddling
    https://www.gamespot.com/articles/sammy-merging-with-sega/1100-6098677/
    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2004/may/19/newmedia.japan
    https://www.ign.com/articles/2004/05/21/sega-and-sammy-to-merge
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2004-05-19/japans-sega-sammy-merge/1978164

  52. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sa2. The series died when Naoto oshima left.

  53. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    SA2 and Heroes didn't have Akinori Nishiyama, Takao Miyoshi and Naoto Oshima like SA2 did, but there was still some quality left thanks to Shiro Maekawa. Once he left, it was over. Shadow was a disaster due to Maekawa's absence

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >like SA2 did
      i meant to say SA1

  54. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yep that one. SA2 had enemies with healthbars, but this game boy oh boy, did it fucking exaggerate. Also the level design was flat and linear as fuck and it has no chaos garden (even the Advance games had them but this game didn't in any shape and form)

    Cool music though. That's the one nice thing I can say about it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >SA2 had enemies with healthbars

      No it didn't. It stuck to the classic Sonic formula where everything dies in one hit

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe I'm remembering it wrong but didn't the Robotnik/Tails levels had enemies that took more than one hit to be destroyed?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nah they just had multiple lock-on points. They all had a sweet spot or main body that you could one-shot them with.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You think people that actively say they are fans of something, wouldn't keep miscalling them "Chaos" when it's Chao (it's singular and plural) and Rogue when it's Rouge

      I never get this with any other era but this one. Only this era has ironic hipster "fans".

  55. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    SA2 is uneven. Heroes is fucking bad, way worse than I fucking remember it. You can really see the game they tried to make and failed.

  56. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Heroes no doubt. Absolute trash game

  57. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I had to watch some speedruns of Heroes before i could get to properly enjoy it. Those 14 stages become more fun once you know how to finish them more quickly

  58. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >SA2
    No, SA2 was a great game, and even though it lacked the open-world exploration, the "adventure" stages didn't really offer much in the grand scheme of things. I liked both Adventure games a lot, but to say that SA2 was a bad Sonic game is just wrong.

    Heroes was really where you could start to see the writing on the wall, as the engine was pretty buggy, but the first nearly-unplayable Sonic game was Shadow the Hedgehog.

  59. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Say what you want about Shadow the Hedgehog
    HOWEVER

    it's got one of the coolest lore drops in all of video gaming history. Please take that into consideration.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wat

      We always knew the grandfather made him.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well, after the sacrifice scene in the ending of SA2, everyone thinks he's dead. At the start of Sonic Heroes, dark team story, the crew in that mode find a Shadow the Hedgehog "android" in a bacta tank and free him. Shadow's identity is constantly called into question throughout Shadow the Hedgehog and the only way to find the truth is in a super secret location: the final boss, during the last minute before you auto lose.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Fair enough. Just skipping the game wouldn't change the story at all though.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Please take that into consideration.
      No, I don't play games for lore.

  60. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sonic was always a fail.

  61. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you mean "when SoJ lost their competence making video games" around Heroes since

    If you mean "when SoJ lost their """soul""" " but categorized into "Classic era, Adventure era and Boost era", the lack of any game by them during the Saturn, the failure of Sonic 06, and the making of Lost World and Forces respectively.

    If you mean when the fanbase felt betrayed, again within eras, SA1 for classicfags, Heroes/06 for Adventurefags, and Lost World/Forces for Boostfags)

    So arguably, because of nostalgiafags, there is no "precise moment" no matter how hard you try to meme it, as every Sonicfag got assblasted by SEGA's output and other fans bullying them for liking shit Sonic games to truly pinpoint a unanimous "kill point"

  62. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Heroes, without question. It's when they stopped trying altogether.

  63. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The very fist game

  64. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It was SA1, really. Although in a better timeline, Sega could have learned from it's shortcomings and made better sequels rather than shittong out more trash with virtually identical flaws.

  65. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wisp were a mistake

  66. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    dsdvxdvxdvxdvxdf
    ihatewomenhavesexsonicel

  67. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    3D Sonic was never good. The camera from SA1 was horrible and never got any better in subsequent games and boost, boost, boost gameplay is boring.

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