What was the reaction to the best games ever when they were the newest release?
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What was the reaction to the best games ever when they were the newest release?
What was the reaction to the best games ever when they were the newest release?
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idk, /vp/ wasn't around when hgss was announced.
These games were so shit that everyone was suicidal
too obvious, better luck next time. 3/10.
The communities were nice and people had fun. Honest answer.
>damn this is really boring and lame... massive downgrade from BW and DPPT
>t. got the midnight release from best buy in 2013
no one believes you
Frick you, I even got a little Yveltal figurine.
cute
>the game looks ugly, sounds horrendous but at least the QoL changes were good
>HOLY SHIT IS THAT CHARMANDER FROM KANTOOOOOO POKEMON IS BACK
>these models are kind of ugly and the game is laggy though
>Z version will fix the problems with these games
>these models are kind of ugly
literally no one thought this
especially coming right off gen 5’s terrible blocky sprites that weren’t even scaled or animated correctly
>especially coming right off gen 5’s terrible blocky sprites that weren’t even scaled or animated correctly
literally no one thought this.
>1 rando on gamefaqs before the game even came out.
discord.
>heh nobody thought that
>w-wait no that person who thought that doesn’t count
>what are outliers?
>heh nobody thought that
>w-wait no that person who thought that doesn’t count
>being esl.
>doesn’t know what “nobody” means
>accuses others of being esl
discord boneheadedness
>those replies
makes my blood boil, these are the same fricks you'll see on twitter today defending GF's annual slop.
He's trying his hardest with revisionism. Everybody hated Alola and loved Unova. Fact.
>literally no one thought this
everyone outside of the Kalosperg bubble laughed at GF's for their poor 3D debut.
>Metacuckening
Concession accepted
Gen 6 killed Pokemon.
>muh dexit outrage ratings
no one cares
Are you a mongoloid? The point of that image was to show ratings are moronic to judge quality.
They aren’t moronic to judge quality though.
How can you simultaneously say this and
at the same time.
XYshills have absolutely zero fricking standards with their arguments and will just frantically throw anything possible at you without any regards to making sense. Over two thirds of all copypasta posts on this board are Shitlosgays.
> How can you simultaneously say this
Because one was before muh dexit review bombings while the other wasn’t.
Interesting how they started getting bad user scores with SwSh but none of the 3d games before it.
>Gen 6 killed Pokemon
There’s a massive dip in reception between Gens 4 and 5, but we’ll pretend that 3D graphics are the boogeyman…
again, that image is proof that muh metacritic reception is moronic and isn’t reliable
You think dexit is the only time people wanted to skew the reviews? That’s very naive
Go ahead and enlighten us about how the entire gaming industry outside of Pokemon was somehow so shitty in 2011 but magically much better in 2013.
and that’s ignoring how inconsistent Kalos-schizoes such as yourself will still pretend that Gen 6 was ahead of its time and console while Gen 5 wasn’t, when that image shows the opposite.
>You think dexit is the only time people wanted to skew the reviews?
The reviews were consistent until dexit happened. So yes.
Consistent with what? Your personal opinions? How do you know SwSh weren’t fricking shit?
All in all, terrible bait. Reviews only count if they support your psycho narrative. Nope/10
>Consistent with what?
With itself. There were no drastic upswings or downswings in the ratings until dexit happened. Then magically the game gets +200 reviews 6 years after release that are all negative.
I don't remember saying anything about the gaming industry. Just really curious to see the absolute titans that BW/2 had to topple over to reach that #1 spot, because if it has XY's competition it would only manage a 4th.
In order for that argument to work you have to prove that 2013 had harder competition than 2011
So you’re outright denying that review bombers existed before 2019. Glad for the confirmation you’re moronic.
Just admit they’ve always existed and this Metacritic bullshit has always been bullshit.
Sure. We can compare the ratings of all the DS / 3DS games to see which year has the most presence at the top
>DS All Time (https://www.metacritic.com/browse/game/ds/)
>3DS All Time (https://www.metacritic.com/browse/game/3ds/)
>2011 on the All Time list
>BW: 87 (Tied for rank 12 with 5 other games)
>Radiant Historia / Four Swords Adventure: 85 (Tied for rank 26 with 10 other games)
>2013 on the All Time list
Fire Emblem Awakening: 92 (The second highest rated 3DS game of all time)
A Link Between Worlds: 91 (The third highest rated 3DS game of all time)
XY / Animal Crossing New Leaf: 88 (Tied for rank 11 with 3 other games)
It's pretty clear that XY had the tougher competition considering it only lost to #2 & #3, while BW's ranking was inflated due to the lack of any notable competition
Just browsed and took mental note of all notable releases
2011 DS; Zelda game, Kirby game, PVZ, two dragon quest games, and a call of duty game.
2013 3DS: PMD, Batman game, Fire Emblem, Zelda game, animal crossing, and a frickton of Mario spinoffs.
I don’t really see you’re point about other game being much better and tougher competition.
Probably because you deliberately ignored what I said in the post just so you could play dumb
You’re saying it had tougher competition, but your only proof for it was other games beating XY and not BW. Maybe XY is just shittier for its time and console according to the same Metacritic gods you give handjobs.
They did beat BW considering they all three of them + XY have higher scores than it. The only reasonable point you can get from that image is that all five of the 3DS games are of a higher quality than any DS game released in 2011.
>So you’re outright denying that review bombers existed before 2019
For XY? Yes, because they didn't
Now let's see what 3DS games were released in 2013 versus the DS games released in 2011 🙂
Why not put SV there kek
It’s a pretty old image anon.
Gen 7 was good though.
It's underrated.
People were talking about the stiff poses and washed out colors the second the game was revealed.
Nope.
discord posts
>Doesn't count
>Concession already received: You are talking to no one
Pic unrelated? Regardless everybody here loved Unova
Nobody complains about gen 5 but I had niggles with 4 and many people disliked 3.
5 did something right and it has to be the best since 2.
>Wow, all these QoL improvements sure make competitive Pokemon possible to get without hacking, can't wait for the Hoenn remakes to give us the Frontier again to use them for.
I was so stoked for XY that I wanted the Yveltal DS to go with the game.
I played it and was like, it's aight. I didn't even bother with the postgame. At least I felt like finishing it, unlike White version---my worst Pokemon experience up to that point and could have made almost anything feel fun in comparison.
These games are only the best in the franchise if you ignore every other pokemon game ever made
replayed both X and US recently, US is far better in comparison and only contrarians hate Alola
Alola is the worst region. It doesn't do anything better than the games that came out before or after. It also has the worst fan base.
just removing HMs is the best improvement that the games had since 1998
No, removing HMs was sterilizing troony and instagram prostitute pandering garbage like the rest of the nugen features.
Pokemon is you going through a dangerous and hostile world with your pokemon, not some fricking vacation trip with your autistic friend group and pokemon you don’t own carrying you around for no reason. That Gyarados would just eat the Alola protags alive if they tried that in an actually good region.
stfu boomer, so many buzzwords and no arguments. idc about your views on pokémon when you were a child 20 years ago, removing HMs objectively improved the game
>removing realism and cutting time magically makes the game good for no reason
Nothing realistic about your Pokémon not knowing how to break / move rocks without being taught
One of the best first 3 hours I ever had with a Pokemon game which then quickly turns to complete dog shit after the second gym.
> which then quickly turns to complete dog shit after the second gym
how
I don't know about on /vp/ specifically but generally people were very excited to see a full 3D game and a few were confused that it was announced so soon after gen 5 since they thought gen 3 remakes were next in line.
my memory of Ganker for gens 4 5 and 6
4 was very well liked, so much so that vp has to be created due to all of the threads about pokemon
5 was extremely divisive
6 was extremely hated
So nothing changed?
>Hey Mega-Evolution is cool
>Can't wait until Pokemon Z
i think reception to gen 6 was pretty positive. i had a decent time even if i think they're boring ultimately.
I remember I was counting down the days with a friend back in middle school, and when they finally released, they were alright. I was expecting something on par with HGSS and B2W2, and I didn't get that, but it was their first foray into 3D, so I cut them some slack, they'll improve with the Z version that never came into fruition.
Of course nowadays, considering they just kept getting worse since then, these games will always be the start of Pokémon's downfall, and no amount of history revisionism will ever change that.
>Holy shit there's so many fricking cutscenes
no one said this, especially coming off BW2 which ACTUALLY had an obnoxious amount of cutscenes and tutorials
yeah I remember the #1 complaint people had with BW2 was the annoying as frick linearization and tutorials. Honestly that whole game is kind of shit until you reach the postgame.
More people said this because there are more moments of annoying and unnecessary shit than BW and B2W2.
>reverting back to raw metecritic scores
Anon the point of showing score ranking among its era is to eliminate biases with the general fandom going through ups and downs of criticality towards games. Meta-scores have always been seen as retiredly unreliable when judging quality of pokemon games and that image further shows why.
>denial
Yes they did. Every game is subject to disingenuous and outright lying reviews. Stop being so willing to die on insane hills just to shill your precious "game" you've had since you were six.
>More people said this
cite literally one example and I'll believe you.
>Every game is subject to disingenuous and outright lying reviews
nope
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=xy+cutscenes+pokemon&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#ip=1
Anon the total amount of time for non-dialogue cutscenes ALONE in XY is over 17 minutes. Gen 5 did not have this problem to that extent. Everyone just gives XY a pass because Gen 7 came right after it
>nope
Oh, so you're a disingenuous shitposter with zero yearning for actual truth. Give me one reason I should continue to humor your shitty arguments?
>Gen 5 did not have this problem to that extent
Technically you're right. In Gen 5 it was worse.
Waiting for you to cite that single example btw
>completely shifts goalpost to arbitrary speedruns
>pretends to be blind and not see the example provided
You had one post left to convince me you're arguing in good faith and you failed.
>still doesn't provide an example
It's pretty interesting how all gen 5 vs gen 6 discourse is the gen 6 side providing concrete evidence while the gen 5 side just goes "nuh uh" over and over while providing zero evidence to actually support his game
No shot SV is close to 50 minutes
>go check speedrun of it
>it actually is
What the frick, it feels so short
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/696959-pokemon-x/67573471
That's specifically someone complaining about tedium of SRing for a Pokemon, not the cutscenes of the game in general.
now imagine trying to reset for a good zekrom or reshiram nature in BW lmao
>need to go through the cutscene then catch it then lose on purpose just to reset back to the pokemon center then repeat
Or you could just not save in both cases. This is a side discussion of the finest order.
>Or you could just not save in both cases
how does that help
You don't have to lose on purpose anon. Sorry you grew up with auto save games.
>You don't have to lose on purpose anon
so I just have to...catch Zekrom, beat N, beat Ghetsis, then have the game automatically save at the credits?
You're not very smart, are you?
Just save before the Legends spawns in any game and retry if it doesn’t have the desirable outcome. Nothing’s rocket science.
So you're just not paying attention to the conversation at all. Got it.
Show me what I failed to pay attention to when I said this
The score ranking doesn't do that. It just serves as a to imply that certain games are better / worse because of other releases in that year. The method used in
shows what that actually means and that
>2011 was a dry year for DS games and a well regarded BW was able to get first place because most of the new games were on the 3DS
>2013 was a competitive year for 3DS games with #2 and #3 being released in that year, so even an XY that had the highest rating of any Pokémon game up to that point was only able to get 3rd that year.
>Through out every system, Pokémon games are given high reviews but are never among the absolute peak of the system
>2011 was a dry year for DS games
>2013 was a competitive year for 3DS games
disproved here
If you're using system wide rankings (again coming from metacritic) you're completely ignores the point of showing score ranking among its era is to eliminate biases with the general fandom going through ups and downs of criticality towards game.
shows that 2013 was a more competitive year. Zelda, Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion, DKC, and SMT are tougher competition than DSi Zelda, Kirby, and Dragon Quest.
>If you're using system wide rankings (again coming from metacritic) you're completely ignores the point of showing score ranking among its era is to eliminate biases with the general fandom going through ups and downs of criticality towards game.
Lol no. Your first post
was trying to imply that XY marked the downfall because it was only #3 compared to BW's #1 solely referencing its score against the games that were released in its year, nothing about criticism over the years.
That’s not really a difference in terms of competition
And no, the point of that image was just to show that Metacritic scores have little to no bearing on what they think the games are relative to one another. Using Metacritic scores to show how Metacritic scores are actually hekkin reliable isn’t exactly a rebuttal to this.
That's an absolutely massive difference in competition. Even trying to conflate the two Zeldas as equal like you did initially is completely out of touch
>And no, the point of that image was just to show that Metacritic scores have little to no bearing on what they think the games are relative to one another
Right. As we established BW is relatively better compared to weaker entries in the DS library, while XY is only seen as worse relative to the cream of the crop and most beloved 3DS games (both in and outside of Metacritic)
You only consider them better games because of Metacritic. For you, XY lost to them, therefore there’s higher competition, therefore justifying XY losing to them. You see how using Metacritic scores to show how Metacritic scores are reliable doesn’t make sense?
I consider them better games because they are generally considered to be high quality games amongst critics and fans alike. Metacritic is ultimately an average of all critic's opinions and a higher score reflects a level of quality to the game (some reviews can be paid off of course). I also value audience opinion highly, and when the opinions of critics and audiences align, I can recognize those as games that are of a higher quality.
By that standard, you define higher competition to a Pokemon game as any game that beat it. That’s extremely biased, just as it would be to say that the reason for SwSh’s failure on Metacritic is due to higher competition. After all, if it’s higher rated than SwSh, according to you that makes it a better competitor. I know it’s a more extreme example, but it’s my intended point.
>By that standard, you define higher competition to a Pokemon game as any game that beat it.
Yeah, I think that's pretty reasonable. If a lot of people think that something is better than something else, I would at least have to acknowledge it as a competitor (doesn't mean I have to like it)
>That’s extremely biased, just as it would be to say that the reason for SwSh’s failure on Metacritic is due to higher competition.
There was a lot of competition on the Switch in 2019 with all of the ports to it. I personally wouldn't consider SwSh to be that low due to all the games that didn't actually originate on the Switch, but I don't think it's surprising that SwSh didn't meet people's expectations for a home console Pokémon experience and people regard a lot of other games as more worthwhile.
So every Pokemon game is the same because if anything beats it in ratings, that’s defined as competition. That’s a bit of a weird circular logic.
The only thing I fondly remember was how to get Sylveon was a genuine mystery and threads were full of theorycrafting. They got worse the more people realized how barebones the game was and how much was cut.
>XYgotes just jump shit instantly looking for "checkmate" moments at any cost
Based chad anon used future sight.
/vp/ was super hyped for XY because of all the leaks. Then it was released and the reception was meh.
Personally i think they're far from the best pokemon games as the flaws are quite glaring. But at the same time i had probably the best time playing these. Does that make sense? It was such a magical time for me. XY are the most "feel good" games imo.
I played 6 after 7 for some reason.
7 was underrated as frick.
6 was terrible. It was just bland.
But 5 was the best since 2 by far so it was even more of a let down. 5 had a lot of soul. 7 kinda did too.
6 felt a bit soulless.
>best
I got my Dad to buy it for me on release and played it all the time. I must have put at least 500 hours into it in total. Literally played it until the stick on my 3ds broke. I used to play multiplayer with a friend on the bus every day on the way to school too. But enough about Kid Icarus Uprising, this is supposed to be a pokemon board. I wish there was a good 3ds game you could talk about on this board, but sadly none of the 3ds entries in this series could fall under that category, let alone “best”.
Zoomers were a fricking mistake.
I think these were the last time I even looked at new Pokemon information. That deer actually looks kinda cool. But then I saw the rest of the mons and nope'd