people don't wanna pay full price multiple times for one game being artificially broken into pieces with shitloads of boring padding
also Black folk >90% wrong but got this part right >>also Black folk
not even 35 year old. it's like for 37-40 year old millenials. Any younger and they would be too young to have played such a complicated game.
Each game has a shit ton of content, what are you talking about? Splitting the game into 3 parts doesn't mean there isn't a lot going on. Rebirth has 6 huge regions and 230 enemies and bosses, hours and hours of story content, 100+ hours on a first playthrough. 16 pales in comparison.
People who think they could have crammed all of FF7, a game that was relatively simple with pre-rendered backdrops with a top down view and turn-based combat, into a modern game with fully realized environments, characters, and enemies, without cutting a shit ton of things are delusional. You ungrateful shits would be complaining about the cut content too. Anyone else could only dream of a remake expanding on everything from the original game instead of just cutting it. Not even a square enix shill, I've only played like 4 different FF games and hated KH for the longest time.
>People who think they could have crammed all of FF7, a game that was relatively simple with pre-rendered backdrops with a top down view and turn-based combat, into a modern game with fully realized environments, characters, and enemies, without cutting a shit ton of things are delusional.
morons like you completely fell for the SE's gaslighting campaign when they announced it would be multiple games. The truth is: FF7 IS NOT A BIG GAME. It has Midgar, a couple towns, and a few dungeons, It ABSOLUTELY could have been made into a single game, and any denial of this is pure cope. FF7, "upgraded to modern AAA standards " is NOT bigger than Witcher 3, Ubislop open world games, hell even FF15 (which is shit but big shit).
Stop lying to yourself over this. If you like the padding thats fine, just admit it. But they clearly could have cut most of it and made 1 game. And everyone, including yourself would have enjoyed it more. It would have been more successful, too.
These remakes are just an exercise in morons trying to convince themselves and others that "this is what I really wanted all along! hey did you see Tifa's breasts?!"
>People don't wanna pay full price multiple times for one game being broken into pieces with shitloads of boring padding
Ironic considering Soulsborne games are just that, the same game over and over again. One could say the same for Monster Hunter.
Square seems to be punished for trying something new instead of giving into whiny babies who have no concept of what the original game was but swear up and down that they have "played it".
Also didn't finish. Additionally compounding it is I am not going to buy a PS5 for one fricking game anyways.
I realized that what made FF7 (and the others before it) special was it was a product of its time and technology. Everything that made the old games charming doesn't translate to modern day.
Weakest part of rebirth is that it follows the original too closely, and ends in such a way that they can adjust the plot based on feedback.
The game is made by cowards who have no solid vision.
Reminder that this game is fully cracked, please dont reward Square for their ultra israelite tactics cuz theyre bleeding money out of their ass with flops like Forspoken (but making 2 BILLION fricking dollars off of a japan only moble DQ game)
i fricking hate square so much
i was so hyped for tactics ogre reborn, 60$ for a fricking 30 years old game
Fricking morons
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Pirate everything, find a cracker you trust and if anything, donate the money you wouldve gave to square to them to continue their work.
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>hyped for tactics ogre reborn
Hyped for an inferior version? Or does your mouth gape anytime something gets released on Steam so you can show a bunch random people that you have it?
Despite how bad FF16 is and how it doesn't even feel like Final Fantasy (just stop calling them RPGs and start calling them action games), it's at least a new game that's not split in three parts.
FF has been slowly moving away from turn based rpgs for like the last 5 games becoming more action based. Then again ff games are barely "rpgs" to begin with anyway.
FF hasn't been turn based since FFX, 20 goddamn years ago.
Fricking tourists that parrot this moronic bullshit to try to fit in need to get the frick out of my FF threads.
FFXI and FFXIV shouldn't even be numbered entries. They just are as a testament to how corrupt Squareenix is.
XII, XIII are shit entries and neither are ARPG, XV is the first action RPG, followed by VIIR, XVI and VIIR2. All shit games btw.
I haven't beat XVI because I'm not a fan of western movie games. That and the combat in XVI is just spamming the same moves over and over again. It has no real depth in its combat system.
I don't think that's the case, I think most of them just didn't play it. XVI combat has a little bit of depth to it and is fairly fun, but the game is so braindead mindnumbingly easy that even someone who button mashes one attack would not find it difficult.
Youre trying way too hard. You dont have to try too hard to shit on a game thats kind of already shit my dude? Chill. But hey at least you didnt say woke
both shit, doesn't really matter which one is slightly less so
time for turn based 17 with pre rendered backgrounds, 50 CGI cutscenes, and a good blend of depression kino and comedy in a scifi fantasy setting
oh wait what is that? 17 is being developed as a first person shooter set in america? ah well maybe 18 then
Where are they getting these people to motion cap these npc's? They look uncanny as shit, seriously just compare them to Barret. Its like their not even the same race. Do they just go to some poor country and promise them jobs for being motion captures in their AAA games?
People are sick of smug, subversive storylines like “The fans are the villains this time. It’s your fault if you don’t like the changes we made!”
The Plotergeists/History homies represent FF7 fanboys who just want to relive the same storyline over and over. If you mock your fans with Remake, don’t be surprised when they don’t show up for the sequel.
Dragon Quest is bigger than about anything else in Japan, like Dragon Ball in the west there's no way corporate suits are gonna cease its money landslide just because the original artist died. If anything unless the Toriyama family still has nuanced copyrights on his style you might see a lot more copycats try to fill his niche.
>I guess they can still milk ff14 troons to survive for a while longer
They're planning another decade of milking.
https://www.gematsu.com/2022/02/final-fantasy-xiv-outlines-the-next-10-years-rpg-advancements-graphical-update-and-patch-6-x-series-roadmap
gonna rule when squenix just goes all in on mobile, and 40 year old boomers act surprised. this actually is gonna happen to the entire industry for the most part, but the squenixgays will seethe especially hard
its absolutely gonna be more of a thing but i feel like japs and mobile shit is more luck than anything. DQ Walk doesnt do anything unique or fancy, they just got frickin lucky with a good IP and the right amount of autism in Japland
and?
just because a game doesn't sell well doesn't mean it's shit
I thought you subhumans liked being contrarian homosexuals?
anyway
FF7 Rebirth was an instant classic
seethe 😉
>bait and switch potential customers about a FF7 remake >its just more Nomura schizo writing taking place in is some odd alt continuity that expects you to have played the original game and side games >the sequel flops
Nojima was the director and he's the hardcore Aerithgay so most of the changes are probably on him. But they're all complicit, this is just a disservice to everything people played 30 years ago. It's like if you remade Bridge to Terabithia but time traveling ghosts save Leslie. Nobody wants to see that shit unless they're mentally fricking ill.
Do you really need to play the side games to understand Rebirth? Not everyone has autism on the level of Kingdom Hearts fans. Where they need 100 hours of backstory just to understand what the frick is going on. This is also why modern Star Wars and Marvel are flopping. Too much homework.
>Do you really need to play the side games to understand Rebirth?
Not at all, just Remake is necessary and the original helps. There's some nods to CC and DC, but they're not anything that will leave someone out of the loop.
I played through both and Rebirth was definitely weaker because the hype train for Remake derailed after all the subverting of expectations. Fans didn’t want to be got twice and too long had passed between games and a pandemic lockdown didn’t force people inside to warrant the time spent on it. If you take out all the Farcry radio towers bullshit from Rebirth, there’s barely any game left besides narrative set pieces.
>is 4th best seller of the year despite being on 1 platform out of a viable 5, surrounded by competition that is on all 5 platforms
FF is literally fine and with more games like XVI and Rebirth, the reputation has turned around a lot for the better since the days of 13 and 15. They just need to do away with exclusivity, the perception against it has aggresively changed in the past 2 years.
No, across all markets and platforms. Sorry that Square broke your winstreak that month tendie, but you might be allowed to play the games on switch 2 maybe (if it's actually more powerful than a smartphone for once, lmao).
>2 80 hour 79.99 USD RPGs to get to the end of disc 1 for a game that was 19.99 USD <1 year after it came out >still not even through disc 2 yet >whole thing an obvious attempt to retcon the OG to have a ridiculous happy ending that doesn't fit the world or franchise it's supposed to be set in at all >OG7 ends bittersweet, AC ends bittersweet, DoC ends bittersweet, CC ends bittersweet >everything it does do the OG did it does worse >everything it adds makes it even more worse >4 years between releases so it'll take 10+ years to be done with the whole thing from announcement to final DLC
This is the biggest waste of time, effort, energy, and talent I've honestly ever seen. It's such a gargantuan failure in every single way. All people wanted was a remake.
>All people wanted was a remake.
you think you do, but you dont!
just goes to show boomer japs are just as out of touch as american boomers... honestly these directors need to just frick off and let younger generations take over
12 years. FF7R was first announced 2015. At a bare minimum it's 3 years from now for the next one, so that's 2027. Then there will likely be post game DLC. So a minimum of 12 years will have passed since the first trailer in 2015. 12 years. For this. People born the day the trailer came out will be nearly teenaged. People who were around 25 will be getting close to 40. 12 years. For this. 12 years.
Re the ff7 remakes really THAT fricking bad?
I am not a FF gay so pardon my ignorance but isn't FF7 one of the most beloved games ever? Why would they frick it up so badly? Why not just make a 1 to 1 remake of the game?
>Re the ff7 remakes really THAT fricking bad?
Remake sucks, Rebirth is (mostly) very good. It's just that "It gets good 50 hours and an extra purchase later" is not an easy pitch.
>Rebirth is (mostly) very good. It's just that "It gets good 50 hours and an extra purchase later" is not an easy pitch.
But it's not, it's much better than Remake but everything about it is worse than what other action RPG games are doing
they're not bad games but they shouldn't have called it a remake to begin with. imagine it like this anon >the "remake" is actually a sequel >you'll end up visiting the same places but the story will be different >you'll need to buy 3 different games to fully experience that sequel >completely changed the combat
at the end of the day this really doesn't appeal to fans of the original and FF doesn't have a pull with younger people
>$400+ purchase for PS5 (if you can find one) >at least $40 purchase for FF7:P1 so you understand what's going on >$70+ purchase for FF7:P2 >middle part of story >4 years later for no visual upgrades or gameplay improvements >linear corridors with sidling between cracks replaced with empty "open world" with Ubisoft towers and bad qtes/minigames
I haven't played the first part yet and also I just can't be assed to put 40+ hours into part 1 then start another 100 hours into the part 2 afterwards. I'll probably just wait until the full complete edition with all three parts is out and get it on sale
>PS5 exclusive >first one sucked >entire project is just one giant padding to draw out the game to the point where it isn't even FF7 anymore >FF in 2024 the year of our lord Jesus Christ
>remember watching that nignog that streamed redditbirth a day or two early >he got frustrated as hell trying to brute force the card game tournament on the boat to costa >people tried to tell him how to do it and he just got even more frustrated >funnily enough, he praised the combat
reminder who ARPG slop is for - actual morons
im arguing that it probably did much worse than 4th since digital from nintendo and xbox aren't included, and it says it only includes sales that the publishers have released - and sony hasn't released shit about redditbirth sales other than first week sales
Having beat the first game and then refusing to buy the second, I just think Nojima doesn't get FF7. The pieces are there, the characters are even written like themselves, but the actual core themes and narrative has been hijacked to be something that only a 10-year old could like. It reada like my edgy fanfictions from when I was 12, or hell, like Bleedman, if someone remembers that guy around here.
Breaking Bizarro Sephs muh preggernants barrier was bad enough, the climb up his back with the yellow paint and a QTE afterward nearly made me shut it off right there.
But anon isn't it cool how you fly through the air inside a giant tornado cutting down buildings like they were butter? Isn't that what FF7 was always about? Being fricking Goku?
The worst part is that I can enjoy over the top action if it fits. I liked the eidolon fights in FFXVI, I thought most looked fricking awesome.
But Cloud flying, teleporting, cleaving buildings in half and then, in the next story beats, jobbing to a snake or some Corel prison thugs just ruins it for me.
I had no more desire to play the rest of the trilogy after Remake ended with a fricking overindulgent Sephiroth fight.
But anon isn't it cool how you fly through the air inside a giant tornado cutting down buildings like they were butter? Isn't that what FF7 was always about? Being fricking Goku?
Yes!
You can't have homies in a row anymore. You MUST have action slop. Its 'kino'.
I'll just say it. Anyone who likes any of the games in the "Compilation of FF7" (except the base game itself) or Advent Children should never ever write fiction in their life.
Nah, you're just wearing your nostalgia goggles too tight. FFVII, when looked at objectively, was always a silly cringe unducing narrative full of characters that ranged from whiny emogays to laughably edgy characters straight out of an angsty teenager's notebook doodles. The story was badly written and riddled with potholes, and any emotional weight was quickly shattered to dust by some silly cartoonish activity that immediately followed. It was never anything deep or poingant, it's just that when you were an angsty teenager yourself you thought it was. But you know what? For the format it was in and the time it was released in, it all worked somehow, and was a satisfying, memorable experience that was easy to enjoy if you were within the target demographic and maybe a little older.
The moral of the story when it comes to Remake/Rebirth is be careful what you wish for. FFVII should have never been remade, nor should 99.7% of video games. They are products of their time even moreso than tv shows/films are, because they are so dependent on the technology that is available to them and the standards set within the limitations of said technology. FFVII worked so well because it came out at a time when primative graphics, midi music, mind numbing gameplay, broken grammar, plotholes out the ass, and dialog delivered strictly through text with no audible voices whatsoever were all perfectly acceptable, and the entire narrative and experience was crafted under those conditions and the assumptions that came with them. FFVII was a product of it's time that would never have been what it was had it been developed at any other point in history, and remaking it was an awful idea.
NTA but quality of the writing aside, I do think he's correct in saying Remake and Rebirth don't "get" FF7. They clearly base themselves off of Advent Children and DoC rather than the original game.
>Not a Remake >Episodic could have worked but part 1 was so bad it killed the hype >Making Final Fantasy an action RPG but it has worse gameplay than every other action RPG whether it's Souls-likes, Dragons Dogma, Mon Hun, Zelda etc. >Less character customization than all of those RPGs on top of worse gameplay >Made the game open world but instead of making interesting locations they still lock content behind "VR missions" >The story changes are all widely hated >Despite having a shallow open world, bad gameplay and no customization they spent a ton of time and money adding tons of pointless cutscenes
The one and only redeeming factor is that the character personalities generally come across well both in Remake and in Rebirth, Yuffie is cute, Aerith has more of a fun and endearing personality, Tifa is still a bawd etc. It's just a shame about everything else. They need to fire Tetsuya from the company completely, launch whoever designed Chadley/VR missions into orbit and anyone else who had a hand in making decisions related to the gameplay should be demoted
The bottom line is that Final Fantasy VII's brand power has nearly evaporated. In the absence of that brand power, the game itself is just not going to cut it. It's full of tedious busywork, clashing artstyles, inconsistent graphics quality, mechanical bloat, quest bloat, it's poorly paced, it's not a complete story, it expects the player to have played not just VII and Remake but half a dozen other compilation games as well, it's fricking expensive, it's a PS5 exclusive etc.
Anon Square themselves said XVI underperformed and they're significantly restructuring the company based on that, if Square can admit it, why can't you? You're as bad as the schizo you're projecting against
>Can't even beat Itsuno's Slopma 2 globally
A new low for SE.
If you lower expecations then it's fine. Final Fantasy is now an AA tier franchise comparable to Dragons Dogma, Nioh or Code Vein. You can no longer compare it to AAA games like Fromsoft Souls-likes, Monster Hunter, Nintendo games, Resident Evil, Dragons Quest etc. Which is fine not every game needs to be AAA. If Square adjusts the game budget accordingly and accept they don't have any AAA IPs they will do better financially
>and yet 7R is the 4th highest selling game of the year
4th place out of four contestants is not the win you think it is. There have been only four triple aye games released thus far in '24. It's doing atrociously bad.
I mean frick anon, you know they're called "triple a" because they're supposed to be unable to do anything but provide massive returns on investment right anon? By definition a triple A game doing anything besides selling gangbusters is a failure.
>of 2024!
wow nothing else big has released
its losing to a fricking looter shooter based on a cult hit movie and to fricking Dragon dogma a sequel to a niche jank fantasy rpg from only a decade ago and losing to tekken 8 which has never done better than ff before
ff7r is the mosr demanded of FF in history and 7r2 is THE part that mattered the most because its covering THE ff7 scene, and its losing to those literal whos
ff16 was already a flop and the lowest selling mainline FF in history
FF16 had the advantage of being an original self-contained game. FF7 Rebirth is the second (or third if you count FF7 Reunion as the second part) title of this new sequel series.
Besides Rebirth's ending leaking during launch week most likely prevented people from buying it. Once Part 3 teases Aerith making a comeback people will get interested again and might buy Rebirth in anticipation.
>remake is just more compilationshit, pissing off anyone who doesn't like the compilation (almost all old FF7 fans) and confuses newbies >spoil that surprise at the end of the first game
What did they expect?
>Episodic games
The only episodic game I ever played to the end was Walking Dead. By the 2nd or 3rd episode of the first game, nobody I knew was still playing it to keep up with the story. These episodics games probably have shit retention.
Anime man in a hyper realistic PBR environment. His face looks like a balloon. It's why Crapcom switched to face scanning anything else looks uncanny. Square is still stuck in 7th gen. 15 is the only that attempts a slightly realistic tilt.
Do you think the FF "remakes" would have been better received if they were more transparent about what they were going for with Remake before it released? I remember when I bought a DVD for the first Eva rebuild when I was a teenager they specifically mentioned their intentions to go in a different direction on it.
>Do you think the FF "remakes" would have been better received if they were more transparent about what they were going for with Remake before it released?
Yes, absolutely yes.
They lost goodwill by not committing to one side or the other.
Either make a remake or make a sequel, doing both means you're only doing things half-way and thus it comes out half-assed.
>Take a beloved game that has been in need a remake for more than a decade >say you will remake it >oh actually we are gonna rebuild of evangelion it >oh and it is gonna be split up into an undisclosed number of episodes
Honestly it is like they were fricking trying to make it fail. It is a game for nobody. People who missed ff7 the first time around and were excited to see it with modern gameplay sensibilities were disappointed because it wasn't actually ff7. People who played it in the past and loved are probably too put off by gameplay changes to want to play it, and/or are put off because they also simply wanted a remake. Many of whom were left after the previous two groups dismissed it probably got put off by its episodic nature, a notoriously hard sell in the game industry because frankly even high profile companies aren't guaranteed to even fricking finish them, and it is harder judge it from a review standpoint because the game is literally unfinished until all parts come out. Add to that, people are just naturally gonna peel off between installments of an episodic game (that doesn't sell you the entire game, anyways), so the market cap of episode 2 is necessarily the number of copies the previous episode sold, but they aren't gonna sell that much.
It was just a fricking mistake on every possible metric.
A sequel to a game not selling even half the first means the first one probably shit the bed. For example Surge 1 is mediocre at best, but 2 is actually a pretty good Souls clone. But it flopped because no one wanted Surge 2. It's pretty obvious a substantial number of players just opted out after Remake. I can't blame them. It's just denial at this point to pretend this was a good idea. Then you've got PS5 exclusivity hamstringing it even further.
Square doesn't realize people go for brands because they seek a certain experience.
If I go to McDonalds, I want a certain kind of burguer. If I go to KFC, a certain kind of chicken. This also happens to video game franchises.
If I play a Street Fighter game, I'm after a certain genre/gameplay: a 2D fighter. All 3D Street Fighters failed. Likewise, if I boot a Final Fantasy Game, I'm looking for a 3-4 Black folk in a row JRPG gameplay.
It's not that I dislike action or action RPG games - I had a lot of fun with Gran Blue and playing Siegfried. But I don't want to have Metal Slug combat when I'm playing Super Mario, just as I don't want action gameplay when I'm playing Final Fantasy.
>Remake sold more than OG >Rebirth didn't even break top 10
Lmfao. People will STILL sit here and act like this dumpster fire idea of a stealth sequel was a good idea.
Just lol
Lmao
the first game killed any momentum this remake could ever had, it alienated the OG fans and the newcomers weren't all that interested in it, this is a game for nobody.
>What went wrong
Only people who played the previous game would play Rebirth.
This fact alone greatly reduces the number of potential players compared to a completely new entry.
Also, "Remake" was highly divisve among fans so at least a quarter of the people who bought "Remake" would not even consider buying "Rebirth".
Out of the 3/4th of "Remake"-players that remain, not everyone will also buy "Rebirth".
It is logical to assume that the maximum number of "Rebirth"-sales would be about half that of "Remake" AT BEST.
Now take into consideration that word of mouth spread about how bad of a game "Rebirth" actually is, and that number shrinks even more.
10/10 game that >wasnt the best rpg >wasnt the best action >wasnt the best action rpg >wasnt the best jrpg >wasnt the best story >wasnt the best music >wasnt released on pc
I'm interested in those games, but why in the hell shouldn't I wait 2034 to buy the full trilogy definitive edition for 10 bucks? There's already more than enough games to play.
Its 9 years old and you could get it on sale. If it was a success they sure as frick wouldn't have canceled the final DLC about the main villain to make people even care about Ardyn.
Its crazy that the word of mouth for FF16 and Dogma 2 soured within a week but Rebirth still has pretty good word of mouth when its comes to the content in the game.
That's survivorship bias. Remake turned away a bunch of potential buyers, the only people left to play Rebirth are those immune to compilation cringe and enjoy weeb shit, who of course will sing its praises
It did though. Side quests, pacing, limited moveset, nonexistent RPG stuff, awful villain. The demo and sponsoring so many people to play the demo, which sets up the game to have political intrigue and all these factions interacting and the real game does not do that. They just timeskip to Clive leaving the Bastards, which skips a whole part of his life that would have been interesting
And why do you say that? Because you follow FF ecelebs who keep talking about it because there's nothing else to focus on for the next few years?
Or because we have daily "what the frick went wrong" barry threads every day?
Don't need to defend something getting a part 3, I don't have shares in the company. Dogma 2 is still mixed on Steam and people realized how frick all variety it has. 16 had 2 DLCs and you maybe got 1 thread for each on release talking about "the boss was cool" and nothing else. Like who the frick wants 20-30 or longer cooldowns in an action game?
He was a slave mercenary, he didn't have anything interesting happen during that time. He says so himself, you'd know if you played the game.
He would be the eyes for us to see interesting things though. Like the fall of Rosaria, Empire's mass spread over the continent and Waloed actually making moves. One of the things people wanted the most from either DLCs or just the main game was seeing Cid in Waloed, fallout with Barnabas, and just more Benedikta
If they made a FF7 spinoff game where the gameplay would be impregnating Aerith, tifa and yuffie over and over again it would sell 3 billion garantueed copies. Why dont they?
>What went wrong with FF7R?
Nothing, it's good. Sony should keep doing exclusive deals, we like exclusive.
Doesn't matter if they lose money, as long as we get to play, and others have to watch 😀
Why would you want an axe wound.
Get Ps5, get in shape, super cut n buff, nice n straight. Play stella blade(Uncesored on physical).
Pre order Death Strand 2 coming this Holiday season(Also Not on Pc)
It's sad because I really liked Remake. The two chapters where Cloud meets Aerith are so kino. The music, going through the church, the slums, the subway tunnel, the mafia town. I won't even get to play Rebirth for years because Square doesn't care about their PC fans
Let's think about this logically, FF7 remake sold 7million, had a loads of assets for part 2 already made, part 3 already has the vast majority of its assets made, they've kept like 80% of the same team for all 3 games, 3 lots of sony exclusivity money(I assume for part 3_, EGS exclusivity money(I pray to God just for intergrade), yet people still think the FF7 remakes are flops?
Do you morons even know the definitions of word you use? Fricking. Morons.
Let me ask you this:
OG FFVII was talked about for thirty years.
How many years do you think people will continue talking about the Remake trilogy, once it's done? One? Five? Ten? Part 2 is almost forgotten in a couple of months.
Ganker will continue to seethe about it for the rest of time, part 3 will be bundled with the previous 2, so sales will skyrocket (If for nothing other than hours per dollar), Rebirth is one of the best games ever made, none of what you said addresses any of the points made in the post you replied to, why'd you reply at all?
I don't see them ever bundling them, honestly. At least not in a way where you can seamlessly play through all of them. They'd have to be like Ground Zeroes/The Phantom Pain, where you choose which game you play in the main menu. Rebirth added (bad) changes to the combat, they can't (or, rather, won't) retroactively implement those into Remake.
Imagine if they used these resources to create new Final Fantasy games from people the auditory actually wants, like god damn Yoko Taro instead of wasting them on remakes of something that should have never been touched again.
>We are remaking ff7! >actually we are not! LMAO!
Also, FF7 was pretty generic when it came out anyway. Most of the plot is basically a rehash of 4 and people are realizing that.
>Most of the plot is basically a rehash of 4
Sounds like an absolutely brainlet take. Let me guess, you got this from a youtuber, you stupid Black person.
You see, both 4 and 7 have a major antagonistic faction the protagonist worked for in the past! Just a rehash, clear as day.
Both games have a Cid involved with airship engineering, too.
Dunno. I am waiting until the entire story is released. Which assume is 3 games? Then Ill buy a pack for all the games on sale. Not in a huge rush to play this.
My only issue with Rebirth is it taking inspiration from westoid pieces of shit (Ubisoft open world, yellow paint climbing sections) rather than double down on what they did with Remake.
Square’s been following outdated trends for a while now. It’s either too long of development times of they’re simply out of touch.
Look at how even the 2DHD titles are somewhat missing their mark despite initial success.
>gaming sales peaked during a period where people where locked inside and had a lot of disposable income >people are now free to go wherever they want and also can socialize again >somehow devs didn't see that coming >also user base is shifting to PC
guess we need another ~~*pandemic*~~
i quit the first one after noticing the backdrop to midgar was low res jpeg, ff7 deserves better than modern sqeenix can do
naturally i'm not interested in its sequel
>tfw you like OG FF7. >tfw you like Remake. >tfw you like Rebirth. >tfw you love the cast even more because they're more fleshed out and still faithful (mostly) to the original. >tfw you don't mind the padding because you get to spend more time with the cast. >tfw you don't mind the story alteration (not 100% on it but yeah) because it keeps the game afresh and (imo) not necessarily betray the OG. >tfw you understand the OG game and knows that it is too big and vast so it make sense for Remake to be a trilogy. >tfw you don't mind the trilogy format since it keeps the discussion for the game longer instead of it vaporing after one month or so. >tfw you're an FF fanboy and only play it for the story, not necessarily the game mechanics so it makes you simply have low expectation for new entries. >tfw you're not a consoomer who spends $80 a month for gaming so that you don't mind buying the whole trilogy released every 4 years. >tfw you get to save Aerith this time.
You are a consoomer because you are spending $200 so you can jerk off to an unfaithful bastardization because you just want to "spend time" with characters regardless how it affects their arc or the games plot. You also are spreading the lie that the OG is to big for a single game remake so you are a moron. You are a fanboy but not a fan. have a nice day.
That’s what you get when you try to appease Aerithgays. Now you’ve got them thinking Cloud and Aerith will hook up via some moronic timeline shit, they’re obsessing over this shit, and they’re going to release 4 years of pent-up expectations and subsequent ass-blast the moment Tifa goes in the lifestream and unfricks Cloud’s brain
>Remake turned a lot of people off to begin with and Rebirth is more of the same time jannie nonsense >Rebirth is the 2nd entry in the trilogy which means there’s no point in playing it if you haven’t been through Remake yet >No point in buying Rebirth now since they’ll releases a DLC upgrade version in a year or two and then when Requiem/moronation launches they’ll bundle it as a trilogy pack to get people to play it for the same price
people don't wanna pay full price multiple times for one game being artificially broken into pieces with shitloads of boring padding
also Black folk
90% wrong but got this part right
>also Black folk
No. It's accurate
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also Black folk
>90% wrong but got this part right
>>also Black folk
not even 35 year old. it's like for 37-40 year old millenials. Any younger and they would be too young to have played such a complicated game.
true also the first game was a literal scam that burned all good will with fans.
Each game has a shit ton of content, what are you talking about? Splitting the game into 3 parts doesn't mean there isn't a lot going on. Rebirth has 6 huge regions and 230 enemies and bosses, hours and hours of story content, 100+ hours on a first playthrough. 16 pales in comparison.
People who think they could have crammed all of FF7, a game that was relatively simple with pre-rendered backdrops with a top down view and turn-based combat, into a modern game with fully realized environments, characters, and enemies, without cutting a shit ton of things are delusional. You ungrateful shits would be complaining about the cut content too. Anyone else could only dream of a remake expanding on everything from the original game instead of just cutting it. Not even a square enix shill, I've only played like 4 different FF games and hated KH for the longest time.
>People who think they could have crammed all of FF7, a game that was relatively simple with pre-rendered backdrops with a top down view and turn-based combat, into a modern game with fully realized environments, characters, and enemies, without cutting a shit ton of things are delusional.
morons like you completely fell for the SE's gaslighting campaign when they announced it would be multiple games. The truth is: FF7 IS NOT A BIG GAME. It has Midgar, a couple towns, and a few dungeons, It ABSOLUTELY could have been made into a single game, and any denial of this is pure cope. FF7, "upgraded to modern AAA standards " is NOT bigger than Witcher 3, Ubislop open world games, hell even FF15 (which is shit but big shit).
Stop lying to yourself over this. If you like the padding thats fine, just admit it. But they clearly could have cut most of it and made 1 game. And everyone, including yourself would have enjoyed it more. It would have been more successful, too.
These remakes are just an exercise in morons trying to convince themselves and others that "this is what I really wanted all along! hey did you see Tifa's breasts?!"
> The truth is: FF7 IS NOT A BIG GAME
Facts, the only reason it was on three discs was to trick the player
10 gil has been deposited into your chocobank
>People don't wanna pay full price multiple times for one game being broken into pieces with shitloads of boring padding
Ironic considering Soulsborne games are just that, the same game over and over again. One could say the same for Monster Hunter.
Square seems to be punished for trying something new instead of giving into whiny babies who have no concept of what the original game was but swear up and down that they have "played it".
you can play each of those games without playing any of the other games. playing rebirtth without playing remake is jumping in halfway into a movie.
It's episodic. Like 80% of people don't finish games so they feel like they can't even play Rebirth since they didn't finish the last one
real
i 100%'d the original 7
i didn't finish Remake so i can't play Rebirth
Yeah i didnt finish the remake either. It was that bad.
Also didn't finish. Additionally compounding it is I am not going to buy a PS5 for one fricking game anyways.
I realized that what made FF7 (and the others before it) special was it was a product of its time and technology. Everything that made the old games charming doesn't translate to modern day.
>should've released one game
Ironic. SE got greedy and it broke their spine. Kek.
>The Remake wasn't a remake
>fans not buying the shit sequel
>Square is surprised for some reason
Weakest part of rebirth is that it follows the original too closely, and ends in such a way that they can adjust the plot based on feedback.
The game is made by cowards who have no solid vision.
Completely wrong, the worst part of the game is the final chapter where it goes off the wall. It completely failed to stick the landing
>game for 35y old boomers
>release it on a console for teenagers
a real mystery
>gets released on pc after a year
>will be EGS exclusive again
>only fortnite kids use that store
then it'll release a year after that on steam, again costing full $70
Wasnt it 80? Its currently 50% off for 40 bucks on steam rn i think
Reminder that this game is fully cracked, please dont reward Square for their ultra israelite tactics cuz theyre bleeding money out of their ass with flops like Forspoken (but making 2 BILLION fricking dollars off of a japan only moble DQ game)
I guess we got screwed harder here. Most games are actually less in euros.
i fricking hate square so much
i was so hyped for tactics ogre reborn, 60$ for a fricking 30 years old game
Fricking morons
Pirate everything, find a cracker you trust and if anything, donate the money you wouldve gave to square to them to continue their work.
>hyped for tactics ogre reborn
Hyped for an inferior version? Or does your mouth gape anytime something gets released on Steam so you can show a bunch random people that you have it?
It's going for 28$ on greenman.
Fine. I’ll wait til it’s on steam. In the meantime, squenix can keep having meetings about why they aren’t making money and deliberately being obtuse.
Time janny bullshit killed it for me.
>Sequel to a sequel
>PS5 exclusive
>people were expecting an actual remake
>10 fricking years to get the full story.
Despite how bad FF16 is and how it doesn't even feel like Final Fantasy (just stop calling them RPGs and start calling them action games), it's at least a new game that's not split in three parts.
FF has been slowly moving away from turn based rpgs for like the last 5 games becoming more action based. Then again ff games are barely "rpgs" to begin with anyway.
FF hasn't been turn based since FFX, 20 goddamn years ago.
Fricking tourists that parrot this moronic bullshit to try to fit in need to get the frick out of my FF threads.
FFXI and FFXIV shouldn't even be numbered entries. They just are as a testament to how corrupt Squareenix is.
XII, XIII are shit entries and neither are ARPG, XV is the first action RPG, followed by VIIR, XVI and VIIR2. All shit games btw.
This is a turn based franchise.
20. Years.
XII is better than X however
I literally assume anyone who doesn't like XVI is just bad at action games.
I haven't beat XVI because I'm not a fan of western movie games. That and the combat in XVI is just spamming the same moves over and over again. It has no real depth in its combat system.
I don't think that's the case, I think most of them just didn't play it. XVI combat has a little bit of depth to it and is fairly fun, but the game is so braindead mindnumbingly easy that even someone who button mashes one attack would not find it difficult.
needlessly added black characters, gay background characters, return of the time jannies and annoying a frick Chadley and c**t killed the hype for me.
At this rate, Part 3 will require you to have sex.
These games just aren't for you.
>final fantasy vii part 3 requires you to prove you have had sex to buy the game
These leaks are starting to get unbelievable
Doesn't seem like they're for anyone with those sales numbers
Youre trying way too hard. You dont have to try too hard to shit on a game thats kind of already shit my dude? Chill. But hey at least you didnt say woke
>gay background characters
Since when was the game pozzed?
What do you mean people dont wanna pay 70 USD for part 2 of a ???? part series
(sony fans are inbred for going along with this at all, also see a remaster of a 4 year old game)
I hope they simply cancel part 3.
Would be fricking hilarious.
I bought and played XVI and not FF7R but I would be very, very surprised if 7R is a worse game. XVI was atrocious.
both shit, doesn't really matter which one is slightly less so
time for turn based 17 with pre rendered backgrounds, 50 CGI cutscenes, and a good blend of depression kino and comedy in a scifi fantasy setting
oh wait what is that? 17 is being developed as a first person shooter set in america? ah well maybe 18 then
-push X-
-walk forward 10 feet-
-45 minute cutscene about how politics are like potatoes-
EPIC story telling Square, my GOD, all 20 people that played this game should be astounded.
>What went wrong with FF7R?
>expectation
>FF7
>reality
>not FF7
Is that climbing section an actual screenshot?
The colors are adjusted on it, but yes, the (thankfully few and small) climbing sections have the infamous yellow paint.
There's more yellow paint than a Home Depot, I'm afraid.
are Cid and Vincent really not usable?
Vincent literally just chilling near the end sitting on his ass, and Cid is reduced to a busboy without a hint of the original's vitriol.
They hit Cid with a whole bottle of Respect Wahman.
>No beating women
>Ass chin
>Frickboi southern drawl
That shit isn't Cid, its Dudley Do Right with a plane
Dudley Do-Right was Canadian, you fricking moron.
That yes man abomination definitely isn't Cid
>I know the character better than the people who created the character, my headcanon is objective
lol frick off back to Bluesky or whatever the more pozzed version of twitter/x is called.
I played OG. Where's my drunken abuse scenes?
>I know the character better than the people who created the character, my headcanon is objective
Are you intentionally being this moronic?
Where are they getting these people to motion cap these npc's? They look uncanny as shit, seriously just compare them to Barret. Its like their not even the same race. Do they just go to some poor country and promise them jobs for being motion captures in their AAA games?
People are sick of smug, subversive storylines like “The fans are the villains this time. It’s your fault if you don’t like the changes we made!”
The Plotergeists/History homies represent FF7 fanboys who just want to relive the same storyline over and over. If you mock your fans with Remake, don’t be surprised when they don’t show up for the sequel.
Sweet Baby partnership, rehiring the FF15/Forspoken developers, outsourcing npc production to pajeets, etc
16 didnt interest me but i was sold on ff7 with cloud crossdressing. That was so hot
How fricked is square if even ff7 cant make them money? I guess they can still milk ff14 troons to survive for a while longer
FF XIV and DQ are all they have. And DQ will simply never be an international brand like FF. Too Japanese. Sony will probably buy them soon.
DQ's over since Toriyama is dead. So SE has nothing
So? They can get someone like toyotaro to design the characters
Second rate garbage
Toriyama's been phoning it in since the Cell saga ended
Toriyama phoned in Dragon Ball, but he actually enjoyed making monster designs.
This. It was just supposed to be a Journey to the West parody.
Dragon Quest is bigger than about anything else in Japan, like Dragon Ball in the west there's no way corporate suits are gonna cease its money landslide just because the original artist died. If anything unless the Toriyama family still has nuanced copyrights on his style you might see a lot more copycats try to fill his niche.
>I guess they can still milk ff14 troons to survive for a while longer
They're planning another decade of milking.
https://www.gematsu.com/2022/02/final-fantasy-xiv-outlines-the-next-10-years-rpg-advancements-graphical-update-and-patch-6-x-series-roadmap
They have a japan only Dragon Quest mobile game that just got them 2 billion dollars, they're fine.
It's no secret that the S-E mobile division generates the majority of the revenue for the company
Only to people who open their eyes a little, most mouth breaking gays in here go UH FORSPOKEN FLOPPED, SQUARE IS FINISHED, without a frickin clue.
gonna rule when squenix just goes all in on mobile, and 40 year old boomers act surprised.
this actually is gonna happen to the entire industry for the most part, but the squenixgays will seethe especially hard
its absolutely gonna be more of a thing but i feel like japs and mobile shit is more luck than anything. DQ Walk doesnt do anything unique or fancy, they just got frickin lucky with a good IP and the right amount of autism in Japland
Not everyone has an IP for that kinda shit.
>Not everyone has an IP for that kinda shit.
yeah it wont be everything, just a lot of it. and well watch some IPs die trying it too.
OMG SQUARE IS FINISHED, HOW CAN THEY, oh right.
>Walking as gameplay app
Oof. I can see why this never came stateside. Pokemon Go was the only game to ever get away with that.
you find the right IP, anything works, even for amerifats
You will WALK
WON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN!!!
Sequel to a bait-and-switch
they let toriyama out of his cage
and?
just because a game doesn't sell well doesn't mean it's shit
I thought you subhumans liked being contrarian homosexuals?
anyway
FF7 Rebirth was an instant classic
seethe 😉
Talk to me about playing these FF7 reimagining's when they give Tifas boobs back.
It never left moron
A Rebirth shill conveniently ignoring Rebirth's censorship and the retroactive censorship of Remake. Typical.
>bait and switch potential customers about a FF7 remake
>its just more Nomura schizo writing taking place in is some odd alt continuity that expects you to have played the original game and side games
>the sequel flops
it expect you to have played the original but it actively disrespect the original.
who was that for?!?
Nojima was the director and he's the hardcore Aerithgay so most of the changes are probably on him. But they're all complicit, this is just a disservice to everything people played 30 years ago. It's like if you remade Bridge to Terabithia but time traveling ghosts save Leslie. Nobody wants to see that shit unless they're mentally fricking ill.
Do you really need to play the side games to understand Rebirth? Not everyone has autism on the level of Kingdom Hearts fans. Where they need 100 hours of backstory just to understand what the frick is going on. This is also why modern Star Wars and Marvel are flopping. Too much homework.
>Do you really need to play the side games to understand Rebirth?
Not at all, just Remake is necessary and the original helps. There's some nods to CC and DC, but they're not anything that will leave someone out of the loop.
you do need to play FFVII Ever Crisis to understand who the frick Glenn is and why he's important.
>why he's important.
hes not important at all
I played through both and Rebirth was definitely weaker because the hype train for Remake derailed after all the subverting of expectations. Fans didn’t want to be got twice and too long had passed between games and a pandemic lockdown didn’t force people inside to warrant the time spent on it. If you take out all the Farcry radio towers bullshit from Rebirth, there’s barely any game left besides narrative set pieces.
Its all Jenover.
They want to be paid $70 for a digital copy. (lol)
Three fricking times lol. SE has become worse than actual israelites
j-action kino wins https://youtu.be/LFi-Xv_5ERc?si=mJR2PHU7UwMlvFCO
'kino' didn't sell well, zoomie-kun.
It filtered millions of rpggays, yes.
Yes. It filtered millions.
Anyone who likes ff7 hates the demakeslop. The fact that this flopped is fantastic but if the goyim ate it up it would be equally bad
SE needs to go back to turn based if it wants to live.
It isn't FF7 and FF7 is what people actually wanted. Squeenix is braindead.
>ff7 is the one that saved them
>now it's gonna kill them
holy frick shit full circle
Eh its a combo finisher by flopspoken, ff16 and ff7. All complete shit, but the ff7 remake is a true travesty of another proportion.
The first FF was the one that saved them.
This is more of a sign that PS5 is irrelevant. I have one and won't buy these two games on it because I'll be able to get it on PC eventually.
>is 4th best seller of the year despite being on 1 platform out of a viable 5, surrounded by competition that is on all 5 platforms
FF is literally fine and with more games like XVI and Rebirth, the reputation has turned around a lot for the better since the days of 13 and 15. They just need to do away with exclusivity, the perception against it has aggresively changed in the past 2 years.
>"turned around for the better"
>lowest selling FF ever
SE touched the DEI money, they've lost any credibility.
>>is 4th best seller of the year
*on the ps5
No, across all markets and platforms. Sorry that Square broke your winstreak that month tendie, but you might be allowed to play the games on switch 2 maybe (if it's actually more powerful than a smartphone for once, lmao).
no turned based no buy
>phantom homies
>gay couples
no garnet ass no buy
>2 80 hour 79.99 USD RPGs to get to the end of disc 1 for a game that was 19.99 USD <1 year after it came out
>still not even through disc 2 yet
>whole thing an obvious attempt to retcon the OG to have a ridiculous happy ending that doesn't fit the world or franchise it's supposed to be set in at all
>OG7 ends bittersweet, AC ends bittersweet, DoC ends bittersweet, CC ends bittersweet
>everything it does do the OG did it does worse
>everything it adds makes it even more worse
>4 years between releases so it'll take 10+ years to be done with the whole thing from announcement to final DLC
This is the biggest waste of time, effort, energy, and talent I've honestly ever seen. It's such a gargantuan failure in every single way. All people wanted was a remake.
>All people wanted was a remake.
you think you do, but you dont!
just goes to show boomer japs are just as out of touch as american boomers... honestly these directors need to just frick off and let younger generations take over
>still not even through disc 2 yet
no shit, disc 3 is one dungeon lmao
12 years. FF7R was first announced 2015. At a bare minimum it's 3 years from now for the next one, so that's 2027. Then there will likely be post game DLC. So a minimum of 12 years will have passed since the first trailer in 2015. 12 years. For this. People born the day the trailer came out will be nearly teenaged. People who were around 25 will be getting close to 40. 12 years. For this. 12 years.
Re the ff7 remakes really THAT fricking bad?
I am not a FF gay so pardon my ignorance but isn't FF7 one of the most beloved games ever? Why would they frick it up so badly? Why not just make a 1 to 1 remake of the game?
The problem is that its a game that appeals to morons that liked advent children and dirge of cerberus
>Re the ff7 remakes really THAT fricking bad?
Remake sucks, Rebirth is (mostly) very good. It's just that "It gets good 50 hours and an extra purchase later" is not an easy pitch.
>Rebirth is (mostly) very good. It's just that "It gets good 50 hours and an extra purchase later" is not an easy pitch.
But it's not, it's much better than Remake but everything about it is worse than what other action RPG games are doing
Yes.
No one cares about them.
No one will ever care about them.
they're not bad games but they shouldn't have called it a remake to begin with. imagine it like this anon
>the "remake" is actually a sequel
>you'll end up visiting the same places but the story will be different
>you'll need to buy 3 different games to fully experience that sequel
>completely changed the combat
at the end of the day this really doesn't appeal to fans of the original and FF doesn't have a pull with younger people
I'll tell you again-
They stranded it on the ps5. SE is moronic.
> Boomer franchise
> stuck a 500 dollar console
> 1st game wasn't well received by og fans
zoomers aren't into these types of games, they rather play Genshin Impact or some other gacha shit.
They made it exclusive to a dying console that nobody owned or wanted.
>$400+ purchase for PS5 (if you can find one)
>at least $40 purchase for FF7:P1 so you understand what's going on
>$70+ purchase for FF7:P2
>middle part of story
>4 years later for no visual upgrades or gameplay improvements
>linear corridors with sidling between cracks replaced with empty "open world" with Ubisoft towers and bad qtes/minigames
You can't regain the audience's trust once you introduce such a bafflingly stupid concept as time janitor ghosts.
I haven't played the first part yet and also I just can't be assed to put 40+ hours into part 1 then start another 100 hours into the part 2 afterwards. I'll probably just wait until the full complete edition with all three parts is out and get it on sale
anyone can pick up and play 16 without playing prior games but you need to have played part 1 of 7 remake to play part 2
>PS5 exclusive
>first one sucked
>entire project is just one giant padding to draw out the game to the point where it isn't even FF7 anymore
>FF in 2024 the year of our lord Jesus Christ
What I wanted: Final Fantasy VII
What I got: Advent Children: The Game
Apparently people dont like good, fun games because
>remember watching that nignog that streamed redditbirth a day or two early
>he got frustrated as hell trying to brute force the card game tournament on the boat to costa
>people tried to tell him how to do it and he just got even more frustrated
>funnily enough, he praised the combat
reminder who ARPG slop is for - actual morons
sleepyBlack person was a hero. he was trying to save us from this game.
>hourly schizo threads
>Lost to Dragon's Slopma 2
Good lord what a piece of shit.
>1 platform vs 3
how did p3 demake lose to suicide squad?
>digital sales not included
>muh heckin' digital!
Didn't save Remake either. SE is dead.
im arguing that it probably did much worse than 4th since digital from nintendo and xbox aren't included, and it says it only includes sales that the publishers have released - and sony hasn't released shit about redditbirth sales other than first week sales
Of course they wouldn't, releasing that data would sink the spot price lol
>doesnt even track shit like palworld or enshrouded that sold millions
kekaroo
He's desperate, especially after SE posted a major financial loss related to this game
Most modern gamers just don't care about Final Fantasy in general especially zoomers. Its a dead brand.
Should have just remade FF7 instead of this stunt they're failing to pull off
Having beat the first game and then refusing to buy the second, I just think Nojima doesn't get FF7. The pieces are there, the characters are even written like themselves, but the actual core themes and narrative has been hijacked to be something that only a 10-year old could like. It reada like my edgy fanfictions from when I was 12, or hell, like Bleedman, if someone remembers that guy around here.
I had no more desire to play the rest of the trilogy after Remake ended with a fricking overindulgent Sephiroth fight.
Breaking Bizarro Sephs muh preggernants barrier was bad enough, the climb up his back with the yellow paint and a QTE afterward nearly made me shut it off right there.
But anon isn't it cool how you fly through the air inside a giant tornado cutting down buildings like they were butter? Isn't that what FF7 was always about? Being fricking Goku?
You can't have homies in a row anymore. You MUST have action slop. Its 'kino'.
Yes!
>miss
The worst part is that I can enjoy over the top action if it fits. I liked the eidolon fights in FFXVI, I thought most looked fricking awesome.
But Cloud flying, teleporting, cleaving buildings in half and then, in the next story beats, jobbing to a snake or some Corel prison thugs just ruins it for me.
I'll just say it. Anyone who likes any of the games in the "Compilation of FF7" (except the base game itself) or Advent Children should never ever write fiction in their life.
Who cares about the writing?
>Bleedman, if someone remembers that guy around here.
None of the zoomer homosexuals itt do, but I know exactly what you mean and you're 100% correct.
People only remember bleedman because of the dicky.
Nah, you're just wearing your nostalgia goggles too tight. FFVII, when looked at objectively, was always a silly cringe unducing narrative full of characters that ranged from whiny emogays to laughably edgy characters straight out of an angsty teenager's notebook doodles. The story was badly written and riddled with potholes, and any emotional weight was quickly shattered to dust by some silly cartoonish activity that immediately followed. It was never anything deep or poingant, it's just that when you were an angsty teenager yourself you thought it was. But you know what? For the format it was in and the time it was released in, it all worked somehow, and was a satisfying, memorable experience that was easy to enjoy if you were within the target demographic and maybe a little older.
The moral of the story when it comes to Remake/Rebirth is be careful what you wish for. FFVII should have never been remade, nor should 99.7% of video games. They are products of their time even moreso than tv shows/films are, because they are so dependent on the technology that is available to them and the standards set within the limitations of said technology. FFVII worked so well because it came out at a time when primative graphics, midi music, mind numbing gameplay, broken grammar, plotholes out the ass, and dialog delivered strictly through text with no audible voices whatsoever were all perfectly acceptable, and the entire narrative and experience was crafted under those conditions and the assumptions that came with them. FFVII was a product of it's time that would never have been what it was had it been developed at any other point in history, and remaking it was an awful idea.
NTA but quality of the writing aside, I do think he's correct in saying Remake and Rebirth don't "get" FF7. They clearly base themselves off of Advent Children and DoC rather than the original game.
>advertise a remake
>it's actually a sequel/alt timeline
>split into 3 parts not all on the same console
Fricking shocker
>Not a Remake
>Episodic could have worked but part 1 was so bad it killed the hype
>Making Final Fantasy an action RPG but it has worse gameplay than every other action RPG whether it's Souls-likes, Dragons Dogma, Mon Hun, Zelda etc.
>Less character customization than all of those RPGs on top of worse gameplay
>Made the game open world but instead of making interesting locations they still lock content behind "VR missions"
>The story changes are all widely hated
>Despite having a shallow open world, bad gameplay and no customization they spent a ton of time and money adding tons of pointless cutscenes
The one and only redeeming factor is that the character personalities generally come across well both in Remake and in Rebirth, Yuffie is cute, Aerith has more of a fun and endearing personality, Tifa is still a bawd etc. It's just a shame about everything else. They need to fire Tetsuya from the company completely, launch whoever designed Chadley/VR missions into orbit and anyone else who had a hand in making decisions related to the gameplay should be demoted
The bottom line is that Final Fantasy VII's brand power has nearly evaporated. In the absence of that brand power, the game itself is just not going to cut it. It's full of tedious busywork, clashing artstyles, inconsistent graphics quality, mechanical bloat, quest bloat, it's poorly paced, it's not a complete story, it expects the player to have played not just VII and Remake but half a dozen other compilation games as well, it's fricking expensive, it's a PS5 exclusive etc.
Who the FRICK gives a shit about this game?
you do if you go into every thread which is hourly.
and yet 7R is the 4th highest selling game of the year
and XVI sold well so selling less than a game that sold 3 million IN A WEEK is not bad.
Of course Barry, the OP, is a dumbass and has a hateboner for 7 Rebirth and anything else that is not Forspoken or FFXV
Anon Square themselves said XVI underperformed and they're significantly restructuring the company based on that, if Square can admit it, why can't you? You're as bad as the schizo you're projecting against
ff15 sold twice as much as shitsteen and stillbirth combined.
barry won in the end.
>both got sold off in broken pieces waiting for fixes
something in common
3 million is little for the budget I spend
>Can't even beat Itsuno's Slopma 2 globally
A new low for SE.
If you lower expecations then it's fine. Final Fantasy is now an AA tier franchise comparable to Dragons Dogma, Nioh or Code Vein. You can no longer compare it to AAA games like Fromsoft Souls-likes, Monster Hunter, Nintendo games, Resident Evil, Dragons Quest etc. Which is fine not every game needs to be AAA. If Square adjusts the game budget accordingly and accept they don't have any AAA IPs they will do better financially
3 will undoubtedly be hit with budget cuts now if we're going by that.
>and yet 7R is the 4th highest selling game of the year
In a year we're not even halfway through and all but one or two games released have bombed financially, that's not saying a whole lot.
>and yet 7R is the 4th highest selling game of the year
4th place out of four contestants is not the win you think it is. There have been only four triple aye games released thus far in '24. It's doing atrociously bad.
I mean frick anon, you know they're called "triple a" because they're supposed to be unable to do anything but provide massive returns on investment right anon? By definition a triple A game doing anything besides selling gangbusters is a failure.
>of 2024!
wow nothing else big has released
its losing to a fricking looter shooter based on a cult hit movie and to fricking Dragon dogma a sequel to a niche jank fantasy rpg from only a decade ago and losing to tekken 8 which has never done better than ff before
ff7r is the mosr demanded of FF in history and 7r2 is THE part that mattered the most because its covering THE ff7 scene, and its losing to those literal whos
ff16 was already a flop and the lowest selling mainline FF in history
>FFXVI is over 100GB
Gee I wonder why it flopped.
They blame the slow adaption of the PS5 but yet continue to put their games on just the ps5? If they know the problem why not use the solution?
FF16 had the advantage of being an original self-contained game. FF7 Rebirth is the second (or third if you count FF7 Reunion as the second part) title of this new sequel series.
Besides Rebirth's ending leaking during launch week most likely prevented people from buying it. Once Part 3 teases Aerith making a comeback people will get interested again and might buy Rebirth in anticipation.
Kitase said she's dead for good.
>remake is just more compilationshit, pissing off anyone who doesn't like the compilation (almost all old FF7 fans) and confuses newbies
>spoil that surprise at the end of the first game
What did they expect?
>Episodic games
The only episodic game I ever played to the end was Walking Dead. By the 2nd or 3rd episode of the first game, nobody I knew was still playing it to keep up with the story. These episodics games probably have shit retention.
Would be hilarious if we get another ending relagated to a fricking book.
and now we're gonna get more garbage like FF13 and FF15 insteal of kino games like Rebirth and 16
You all have god awful garbage taste frick you zoomers tards
15 is more kino than slopbirth and slopshitxteen
People lost interest when SE started marketing it as an ubislop game.
Why does Cloud look like a modded character in his own fricking game
Anime man in a hyper realistic PBR environment. His face looks like a balloon. It's why Crapcom switched to face scanning anything else looks uncanny. Square is still stuck in 7th gen. 15 is the only that attempts a slightly realistic tilt.
Why did they spend so much time and money making these pointless cringe cutscenes
Cause its a heckin moverino and that's the only way to keep zoomies in a chair
Cause Nomura thinks it's "cool".
>This "Cid" will never verbally abuse women
Shit game shit series shit company
you can only bait people once
barry won bigly
Nomura lost. Well, when did he ever win anyway kek.
Do you think the FF "remakes" would have been better received if they were more transparent about what they were going for with Remake before it released? I remember when I bought a DVD for the first Eva rebuild when I was a teenager they specifically mentioned their intentions to go in a different direction on it.
I doubt it considering the reputation the Compilation of FFVII has.
>Do you think the FF "remakes" would have been better received if they were more transparent about what they were going for with Remake before it released?
Yes, absolutely yes.
FFXVI was a bad game. That killed all the hype for the series which is a shame because Rebirth is actually fricking incredible.
>Rebirth is actually fricking incredible.
nah frick you it's great
Only if you enjoy the lowest kind of slop.
>cloud will never beat the shit out of aerith with his bare hands
shit game
that's not constructive. That's counterproductive.
No it is constructive.
He's too far gone. If he kills himself, the society as a whole improves.
as long as one is still breathing, they might as well make life harder for everyone else.
So did people actually dislike remake? I couldn't finish that shit myself
The promise that they could take the story to a completely different direction was exciting.
Rebirth failed at delivering that.
Is it true that Nomura is the most hated dev(for jap?) by Ganker?
They lost goodwill by not committing to one side or the other.
Either make a remake or make a sequel, doing both means you're only doing things half-way and thus it comes out half-assed.
Using FF7 as source material.
>Take a beloved game that has been in need a remake for more than a decade
>say you will remake it
>oh actually we are gonna rebuild of evangelion it
>oh and it is gonna be split up into an undisclosed number of episodes
Honestly it is like they were fricking trying to make it fail. It is a game for nobody. People who missed ff7 the first time around and were excited to see it with modern gameplay sensibilities were disappointed because it wasn't actually ff7. People who played it in the past and loved are probably too put off by gameplay changes to want to play it, and/or are put off because they also simply wanted a remake. Many of whom were left after the previous two groups dismissed it probably got put off by its episodic nature, a notoriously hard sell in the game industry because frankly even high profile companies aren't guaranteed to even fricking finish them, and it is harder judge it from a review standpoint because the game is literally unfinished until all parts come out. Add to that, people are just naturally gonna peel off between installments of an episodic game (that doesn't sell you the entire game, anyways), so the market cap of episode 2 is necessarily the number of copies the previous episode sold, but they aren't gonna sell that much.
It was just a fricking mistake on every possible metric.
A sequel to a game not selling even half the first means the first one probably shit the bed. For example Surge 1 is mediocre at best, but 2 is actually a pretty good Souls clone. But it flopped because no one wanted Surge 2. It's pretty obvious a substantial number of players just opted out after Remake. I can't blame them. It's just denial at this point to pretend this was a good idea. Then you've got PS5 exclusivity hamstringing it even further.
It actually causes SE to lose 200 billions or something? HAHAHAHA
schizo
>What went wrong with FF7R?
A Part 2 can never outsell a Part 1. I doubt the sales for Rebirth could have surpassed 2/3rds of Remakes; quality is irrelevant.
So it's already way over for REunion? At this point why not just cancelled it? Some internet seething is way better than another 200 billions lost.
Anecdotally, everyone I know who bought Remake thought it was an actual remake, never finished it, and don't know what Rebirth is.
Square doesn't realize people go for brands because they seek a certain experience.
If I go to McDonalds, I want a certain kind of burguer. If I go to KFC, a certain kind of chicken. This also happens to video game franchises.
If I play a Street Fighter game, I'm after a certain genre/gameplay: a 2D fighter. All 3D Street Fighters failed. Likewise, if I boot a Final Fantasy Game, I'm looking for a 3-4 Black folk in a row JRPG gameplay.
It's not that I dislike action or action RPG games - I had a lot of fun with Gran Blue and playing Siegfried. But I don't want to have Metal Slug combat when I'm playing Super Mario, just as I don't want action gameplay when I'm playing Final Fantasy.
FF16 had a much better demo
that is all
Second part of a series.
7R project is at 10 million sales so far.
I liked both of them. Rebirth was a slightly better game than XVI all things considered. Being a sales gay must be miserable.
No one wanted this kingdom hearts multiverse bullshit.
ff16 killed FF
>Remake sold more than OG
>Rebirth didn't even break top 10
Lmfao. People will STILL sit here and act like this dumpster fire idea of a stealth sequel was a good idea.
Just lol
Lmao
Remake is on PS4, PS5 and PC. Rebirth is still trapped solely on PS5, which no one has r wants to get. There's your problem.
>make games 70 freedom bucks
>wonder why people don’t buy multiple games
Hmmm
>Square wanted to make the LOTR of vidya
>they made the Hobbit instead
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO
It is impossible to live up to the standards set by nostalgic delusions
You can ask 100 people to spend a month animating a scene, fans will still say pic rel was “better in their minds”
Picrel is perfect tho
Sephiroth doesn't even T-pose in the remake. It's such garbage
>Picrel is perfect tho
:O
That's a bug with the PC version. We both know we played it on the PSX and there weren't ;O mouths.
the first game killed any momentum this remake could ever had, it alienated the OG fans and the newcomers weren't all that interested in it, this is a game for nobody.
Discord raid thread.
its to soulless
everywhere you look you are assaulted by some stone formation
same with Elden Shit
what going on with japs ? why cant they make good environments anymore ?
Unreal engine rocks hurt my eyes idk why
>What went wrong
Only people who played the previous game would play Rebirth.
This fact alone greatly reduces the number of potential players compared to a completely new entry.
Also, "Remake" was highly divisve among fans so at least a quarter of the people who bought "Remake" would not even consider buying "Rebirth".
Out of the 3/4th of "Remake"-players that remain, not everyone will also buy "Rebirth".
It is logical to assume that the maximum number of "Rebirth"-sales would be about half that of "Remake" AT BEST.
Now take into consideration that word of mouth spread about how bad of a game "Rebirth" actually is, and that number shrinks even more.
Clive fricking won.
Ff7R released at a wrong time. I can’t be arsed to buy every video game released.
I’ll be one of those individuals buying a copy in a couple months.
10/10 game that
>wasnt the best rpg
>wasnt the best action
>wasnt the best action rpg
>wasnt the best jrpg
>wasnt the best story
>wasnt the best music
>wasnt released on pc
REMAKE LOST
I want to cut off Torgals paws and watch Torgal try to move in that condition.
Direct sequel.
Need schizo Cloud to beat the shit out of Elena with his bare hands
I'm interested in those games, but why in the hell shouldn't I wait 2034 to buy the full trilogy definitive edition for 10 bucks? There's already more than enough games to play.
How did barry win? Ff15 sold more than both XVI and VII rebirth put together and was considered a failure
Its 9 years old and you could get it on sale. If it was a success they sure as frick wouldn't have canceled the final DLC about the main villain to make people even care about Ardyn.
more than one poster has said something I don't like, so we're being raided
>Ganker still doesn't know rebirth sold 5 billion copies digitally
KEKAROOOO
2 million globally. Couldn't even beat Itsuno's Slopma 2 lmao
Its crazy that the word of mouth for FF16 and Dogma 2 soured within a week but Rebirth still has pretty good word of mouth when its comes to the content in the game.
Rebirth sold less than 16 and DD2, word of mouth means jack shit when you don't make the sale.
That's survivorship bias. Remake turned away a bunch of potential buyers, the only people left to play Rebirth are those immune to compilation cringe and enjoy weeb shit, who of course will sing its praises
>word of mouth for FF16...soured within a week
lol
It did though. Side quests, pacing, limited moveset, nonexistent RPG stuff, awful villain. The demo and sponsoring so many people to play the demo, which sets up the game to have political intrigue and all these factions interacting and the real game does not do that. They just timeskip to Clive leaving the Bastards, which skips a whole part of his life that would have been interesting
He was a slave mercenary, he didn't have anything interesting happen during that time. He says so himself, you'd know if you played the game.
And why do you say that? Because you follow FF ecelebs who keep talking about it because there's nothing else to focus on for the next few years?
Or because we have daily "what the frick went wrong" barry threads every day?
And it's crazy that you and the 5 other schizos who get on this website to defend Rebirth daily are still talking about both of them. Curious, really.
Don't need to defend something getting a part 3, I don't have shares in the company. Dogma 2 is still mixed on Steam and people realized how frick all variety it has. 16 had 2 DLCs and you maybe got 1 thread for each on release talking about "the boss was cool" and nothing else. Like who the frick wants 20-30 or longer cooldowns in an action game?
He would be the eyes for us to see interesting things though. Like the fall of Rosaria, Empire's mass spread over the continent and Waloed actually making moves. One of the things people wanted the most from either DLCs or just the main game was seeing Cid in Waloed, fallout with Barnabas, and just more Benedikta
>Don't need to defend something getting a part 3,
And yet you are here, using the same script you always do. Again, curious.
If they made a FF7 spinoff game where the gameplay would be impregnating Aerith, tifa and yuffie over and over again it would sell 3 billion garantueed copies. Why dont they?
XV won
>What went wrong with FF7R?
Nothing, it's good. Sony should keep doing exclusive deals, we like exclusive.
Doesn't matter if they lose money, as long as we get to play, and others have to watch 😀
We beat FF 16 two times, still no Pc.
Very good, GTA6 should also be on console only for long
why are u trans?
Why would you want an axe wound.
Get Ps5, get in shape, super cut n buff, nice n straight. Play stella blade(Uncesored on physical).
Pre order Death Strand 2 coming this Holiday season(Also Not on Pc)
Does your cat follow you everywhere in the house? lol
It's sad because I really liked Remake. The two chapters where Cloud meets Aerith are so kino. The music, going through the church, the slums, the subway tunnel, the mafia town. I won't even get to play Rebirth for years because Square doesn't care about their PC fans
The first part of the Remake was already bad. I never finished it. Why should I buy Rebirth, huh?
Let's think about this logically, FF7 remake sold 7million, had a loads of assets for part 2 already made, part 3 already has the vast majority of its assets made, they've kept like 80% of the same team for all 3 games, 3 lots of sony exclusivity money(I assume for part 3_, EGS exclusivity money(I pray to God just for intergrade), yet people still think the FF7 remakes are flops?
Do you morons even know the definitions of word you use? Fricking. Morons.
Let me ask you this:
OG FFVII was talked about for thirty years.
How many years do you think people will continue talking about the Remake trilogy, once it's done? One? Five? Ten? Part 2 is almost forgotten in a couple of months.
Ganker will continue to seethe about it for the rest of time, part 3 will be bundled with the previous 2, so sales will skyrocket (If for nothing other than hours per dollar), Rebirth is one of the best games ever made, none of what you said addresses any of the points made in the post you replied to, why'd you reply at all?
I don't see them ever bundling them, honestly. At least not in a way where you can seamlessly play through all of them. They'd have to be like Ground Zeroes/The Phantom Pain, where you choose which game you play in the main menu. Rebirth added (bad) changes to the combat, they can't (or, rather, won't) retroactively implement those into Remake.
Cultural irrelevancy is a way a game flops. Not being sold, not being talked about.
Assuming shit about part 3 and everyone buying the bundle is wishful thinking. If no one cares about FF in 2027 or 2028, no one will buy the bundle.
>exclusivity during the peak of the PS vs Xbox war
Sony exclusivity money must have been insane
>streamlined development = lower development costs
Rebirth's development costs are probably the lowest its been in a long time, for a AAA FF game.
I will believe literally anything if it allows me to spin any possible negative Rebirth information into something positive
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2023/10/smooth-final-fantasy-7-rebirth-development-down-to-so-many-remake-devs-sticking-around
kek frick off doomsissy
Literally me
Imagine if they used these resources to create new Final Fantasy games from people the auditory actually wants, like god damn Yoko Taro instead of wasting them on remakes of something that should have never been touched again.
The FF name is just for boomers, I am not sure if people want a game with 17 at the end of it.
Im a boomer(millenial) and I want a Final Fantasy with Bravely Default under the name.
ya'll need to have sex, touch grass and protect Israel.
XVI was better. It's that simple.
>We are remaking ff7!
>actually we are not! LMAO!
Also, FF7 was pretty generic when it came out anyway. Most of the plot is basically a rehash of 4 and people are realizing that.
>Most of the plot is basically a rehash of 4
Sounds like an absolutely brainlet take. Let me guess, you got this from a youtuber, you stupid Black person.
You see, both 4 and 7 have a major antagonistic faction the protagonist worked for in the past! Just a rehash, clear as day.
Both games have a Cid involved with airship engineering, too.
And characters are killed (except they never are dead)
>One of the girls is from a secret ancient race
>Main threat is from space
It's honestly more of a rehash of 3
Dunno. I am waiting until the entire story is released. Which assume is 3 games? Then Ill buy a pack for all the games on sale. Not in a huge rush to play this.
My only issue with Rebirth is it taking inspiration from westoid pieces of shit (Ubisoft open world, yellow paint climbing sections) rather than double down on what they did with Remake.
Square’s been following outdated trends for a while now. It’s either too long of development times of they’re simply out of touch.
Look at how even the 2DHD titles are somewhat missing their mark despite initial success.
I'm surprised they didn't make a FF with zombies after the zombie craze of the 2010s
They did say they were taking inspiration from CoD for FF13, that's why it was so linear.
>wow! I really want to play FF7 again, but in 17 parts and with a completely different story!
said no one ever
Listened too much to weeaboos and otakutards and turned the cringeneter to 11.
Yuffie can handle my balls
FFXV and XVI were so shit nobody is touching another FF game.
Both of those games feel like they were made by amateur devs with absolutely no experience making basic game design mistakes.
Collectathon map bullshit
Side quests that are boring as shit.
Being on a console nobody fricking owns or wants to own. I want to play this game but I'm not shilling out over 500 burger dollars for ONE GAME
>gaming sales peaked during a period where people where locked inside and had a lot of disposable income
>people are now free to go wherever they want and also can socialize again
>somehow devs didn't see that coming
>also user base is shifting to PC
guess we need another ~~*pandemic*~~
rpgs already have bad rep of story/gameplay taking too long time invest to finish and square thinks episodic format fixes it lmao
Square lost
i quit the first one after noticing the backdrop to midgar was low res jpeg, ff7 deserves better than modern sqeenix can do
naturally i'm not interested in its sequel
nothing. it will be sold again and again. Square made the right choice by going episodic.
>tfw you like OG FF7.
>tfw you like Remake.
>tfw you like Rebirth.
>tfw you love the cast even more because they're more fleshed out and still faithful (mostly) to the original.
>tfw you don't mind the padding because you get to spend more time with the cast.
>tfw you don't mind the story alteration (not 100% on it but yeah) because it keeps the game afresh and (imo) not necessarily betray the OG.
>tfw you understand the OG game and knows that it is too big and vast so it make sense for Remake to be a trilogy.
>tfw you don't mind the trilogy format since it keeps the discussion for the game longer instead of it vaporing after one month or so.
>tfw you're an FF fanboy and only play it for the story, not necessarily the game mechanics so it makes you simply have low expectation for new entries.
>tfw you're not a consoomer who spends $80 a month for gaming so that you don't mind buying the whole trilogy released every 4 years.
>tfw you get to save Aerith this time.
Blatant Jimbo falseflag
You are a consoomer because you are spending $200 so you can jerk off to an unfaithful bastardization because you just want to "spend time" with characters regardless how it affects their arc or the games plot. You also are spreading the lie that the OG is to big for a single game remake so you are a moron. You are a fanboy but not a fan. have a nice day.
It's Jimbo falseflagging to make remake fans look bad
Wow you're rude. Everything I said I mean it though.
the original is just better.
The less a game sells the better it is
It’s not on PC and nobody owns a ps5
They killed Aerith.
There are too many fricking mini games.
The combat is too easy and very boring.
That’s what you get when you try to appease Aerithgays. Now you’ve got them thinking Cloud and Aerith will hook up via some moronic timeline shit, they’re obsessing over this shit, and they’re going to release 4 years of pent-up expectations and subsequent ass-blast the moment Tifa goes in the lifestream and unfricks Cloud’s brain
Everything
Even if the Game was a 10
Everything
They should have remade the best final fantasy, VI__
FF8 is the only one that needs a remake. But modern SE would just destroy the stuff that was good and soulful while making the bad stuff worse.
For me it was the ethics department.
>every jap dev goes multiplatform and has big success
>SE goes PS5 and dies
>every jap dev goes multiplatform and has big success
Except the most successful one.
They are a toy, not a video game company.
Maybe that's why they're better.
Everyone realised FF7 is fricking garbage after the first remake.
bump
>Remake turned a lot of people off to begin with and Rebirth is more of the same time jannie nonsense
>Rebirth is the 2nd entry in the trilogy which means there’s no point in playing it if you haven’t been through Remake yet
>No point in buying Rebirth now since they’ll releases a DLC upgrade version in a year or two and then when Requiem/moronation launches they’ll bundle it as a trilogy pack to get people to play it for the same price