What's the best combat system?

>Skyrim combat
>mash RMB until your enemy's health is down to 0
>light and strong attacks to give an illusion if depth
>hazard free healing whenever you want, basically unkillable as long as you got enough potions
>can focus more on the aspects of the game that are outside of combat

>Soulslike combat
>several attack moves but still limited as you can't choose the attack angle or speed or anything
>dodging and positioning is important
>healing requires good timing or you'll be punished

>Mount & Blade combat
>several attack moves including the angle of attack
>positioning is important as well as the direction of block moves
>closest to what an actual IRL swordfight would feel like
>kinda autistic though, and more than a 1v1 becomes extremely difficult (which is realistic, yes, but also kinda unfun imho)

What's your ideal combat system? 1, 2, 3? Or a mix of all of them?
Keep in mind we're talking about regular vidya controls, so no Wiimote stuff. So your combat system should be playable and feel "right" on a regular controller/mouse and keyboard.

  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Dragon's Dogma

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Combat was great but unfortunately everything else in this game sucked hard.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      For someone that never played DD, how would you describe in the same way as OP? From what I've seen it's basically Soulslike, in a way, but not as slow. Is this correct?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Vocations offer different approaches and play styles
        >Light and heavy attacks, combo strings
        >Some classes can block, parry, counter, others have dodges
        >Six special skills you can use unless you're warrior who only gets 3 that can offer plenty of damage, versatility, protection etc.
        >You can climb monsters to attack weak points, be safe from attacks
        >All of this while having pawns to back you up to focus on support, damage, cleaning out the smaller enemies and so on

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          On the player's end you've got a lot more mobility and weapon skills add to your basic attack toolkit kind of like if you had multiple Elden Ring ashes of war equipped at the same time. You've also got the ability to climb onto large monsters and attack as you climb them, or pick up and carry, throw, and grapple/pin smaller monsters. Stamina acts more like a big mana bar for your skills, spells, and ability to sprint/climb in combat rather than Dark Souls' short bar for managing your normal attacks.

          On the enemy's end, every monster has weaknesses, locational damage, and other behavior interactions to take advantage of in combat in a way that feels vaguely similar to Monster Hunter. A Cyclops, for example, can be made to take off it's helmet by climbing up near it's face and then getting out of the way of its hand when it tries to swipe at you; it ends up swiping its own helmet off. This exposes the eye and tusks, which you can either aim at with ranged attacks/spells from the ground or climb to and strike to break the tusks off for parts or hit the eye for big damage. You can also climb on its ankles to throw it off balance and make it fall over or stun it with electricity. Every monster has several of those types of things unique to them.

          I have the game on GOG, but never played, time to check it out. Thanks.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        On the player's end you've got a lot more mobility and weapon skills add to your basic attack toolkit kind of like if you had multiple Elden Ring ashes of war equipped at the same time. You've also got the ability to climb onto large monsters and attack as you climb them, or pick up and carry, throw, and grapple/pin smaller monsters. Stamina acts more like a big mana bar for your skills, spells, and ability to sprint/climb in combat rather than Dark Souls' short bar for managing your normal attacks.

        On the enemy's end, every monster has weaknesses, locational damage, and other behavior interactions to take advantage of in combat in a way that feels vaguely similar to Monster Hunter. A Cyclops, for example, can be made to take off it's helmet by climbing up near it's face and then getting out of the way of its hand when it tries to swipe at you; it ends up swiping its own helmet off. This exposes the eye and tusks, which you can either aim at with ranged attacks/spells from the ground or climb to and strike to break the tusks off for parts or hit the eye for big damage. You can also climb on its ankles to throw it off balance and make it fall over or stun it with electricity. Every monster has several of those types of things unique to them.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        it's dogshit, just another contrarian gay picking a game that hasn't blown up yet

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      what a meme

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Pause game
      >Heal to full HP
      >unpause game
      >Jump on hydra's back
      >Press r1 to chip at his health
      >Get flung off
      >Pause game
      >heal to full HP

      I love Dragon's Dogma for being a quirky Itsuno action game but the idea that it's some masterpiece of RPG combat is a myth. Also awful enemy variety, you want a game that's guilty of copy paste boss design, DD is the king.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >this

        when I played dragon's dogma on the PS3 years ago I was having quite a bit of fun at first, then I got to that first main city, did a bunch of sidequests, went to the dlc island/dungeon, went pretty fuckin deep, and then just got kind of tired of the whole thing and stopped playing because while it was fun to hunt for upgrades and get more skills etc... at some point it was just all very very samey; similar enemies with more hp, admittedly impressive to look at but ultimately very button mashy and repetitive combat loop, the deeper you got into the game, fights didn't really get harder, just longer

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        What if you don't pause the game? One does wonder if it would change anything.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          It would certainly be an improvement, hopefully DD2 gives you some sort of item wheel like Monster Hunter.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >this

        when I played dragon's dogma on the PS3 years ago I was having quite a bit of fun at first, then I got to that first main city, did a bunch of sidequests, went to the dlc island/dungeon, went pretty fuckin deep, and then just got kind of tired of the whole thing and stopped playing because while it was fun to hunt for upgrades and get more skills etc... at some point it was just all very very samey; similar enemies with more hp, admittedly impressive to look at but ultimately very button mashy and repetitive combat loop, the deeper you got into the game, fights didn't really get harder, just longer

        I don't get the copy/paste complaints. For DD they went for quality over quantity, with all the variety of combat and interaction enemies offer. Armoured variants aren't just tougher reskins, they become weak to lightning or can have the armour broken of, trolls prioritize women. For stuff like Souls, the combat is nearly unchanged between everything. You block/dodge, you counter attack. Throw in some guard counters and parries and that's really it, so I guess the quantity is more important to give the feeling of variety.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Souls games are the exact same way, enemy's also have tons of interactions like that. For instance in the Elden Ring, golem type enemies get disorientated by getting hit with crystal darts and make them turn on their foes, the big poison bulbs are actually instant killed by inflicting poison on them (usually resulting in them killing all their compatriots because they explode in poison gas), invisible enemies you reveal with a special torch, their kind ill like fire for the finger spiders, etc.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      combat is shit

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    This

    If you must be an RPG then the best combat system is Dragon's Dogma but you hire someone who can actually do math to handle the numbers portion of the combat and you give consumables...consuming animations in real time like Monster Hunter.

    Also when was even the last time healing in Souls games required timing? 2?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      This. Just because it's RPG, doesn't mean the gameplay can't be flashy, fast-paced and overall fun.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      actually, bosses frequently punish healing in elden ring. there have been many threads crying about it since release.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Hack n slash where you juggle a million fodder mobs
      >Hack n slash in general

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Ninja Gaiden isn't Devil May Cry, the enemies actually fight back.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Throwing shurikens in mid combat looks bad.

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Whatever feels good.

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    those are all garbage combat systems. The strengths of the games you listed have little to do with their combat systems.

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >select action from skill menu
    >drag mouse to target/target area
    >can’t reach target
    >move unit a little
    >try to target again
    >confirm action
    Comfy

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Uh, none of those.

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Imo soulslike combat is the best. Skyrim combat is piss-easy and boring, whereas M&B combat feels too clunky and complicated. Soulslike combat is a good middle ground. Enough depth to be engaging while at the same time not too complicated to be a turnoff.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Imo soulslike combat is the best. Skyrim combat is piss-easy and boring
      And Soulslike combat isn't "piss easy"? LOL!

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Elden Ring borked it with their shitty ai that gets stuck on rubble and can be distracted with summons. Old games at least where designed with it in mind.

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Dragons Dogma has my favorite combat system but even it has its flaws.

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Because 'character action', MonHun I feel is the best in its respective genre (ARPG).

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Besides*

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah even nu-MH still feels good. I do prefer the feel of the older MH games.

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Pic related is best

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I enjoy Sekiro's the most

      >it's just a rhythm game

      Rhythm games are fun

      Dark Messiah was also based

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The main problem with games that feature angle-of-attack based combat is that they necessitate locking onto an enemy, which means a group fight is basically just a couple 1v1s in a row. See For Honor or KC:D for example. I can't see how you could solve that.
    I think the cleavage between simple and arcady hack-n-slashing and "realistic" simulator style combat cannot be mended really. Either you like the former or the latter.

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Call of Duty has the best combat system

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >best for bosses
    Bloodborne, MH and Sekiro
    >best for mobs
    Nioh
    >Overall
    Ninja Gaiden
    Dogmas enemies are too spongy and the games becomes way too easy around the griffin fight

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Nioh bosses mog Fromshit

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Chad of War ragnarock is literally the best action game

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Shit thread. Monster hunter is the best.

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Soulslike combat but with directional attacking/blocking would be GOAT

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Dark souls 2 has directional blocking and directional attacking while free cam or locked on

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I prefer Skyrim's, simply because the game allows for more gameplay variety compared to the rest.

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    For single player games I like souls games

    For pvp I like chivalry 2’s combat

    I tried replaying oblivion and the Todd’s dragon game and the combat is so much more boring than I remember so stopped playing after a hour. Fallout vegas is still great though

  19. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Dragon's Dogma combat.

  20. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Nioh 2
    >3 different stances with light or heavy attack chains
    >Weave attacks and stances together for max ki efficiency
    >Burst counters
    >Yokai abilities
    >A ton of unlockable skills adding to the depth of combat
    >Great enemy variety
    It's hard af to learn, but satisfying once it clicks

  21. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Warrior Within and Sekiro

  22. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Blade & Sorcery
    Until You Fall

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I just wish the enemies had more stances and attacks other than just slashing to the side and also parrying them was harder. The Marauder mod kinda does this but I want more

  23. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Ninja gaiden

  24. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    FF7R

  25. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    attack moves but still limited as you can't choose the attack angle or speed or anything
    I kinda get what you're alluding to in that a weapon's moveset is locked and you can't customize beyond that e.g. poking with a weapon with no poke, or doing a slow heavy hit or wide sweep 'on demand' with a weapon that doesn't support it but a lot of weapon choice (assuming you're not just metawhoring and following guides) naturally comes down to picking things that have a moveset with attack arcs and speeds that you are personally comfortable with; I mean why do you think so many people will 'main' a weapon class across multiple games be it quick straight or curved swords, ultras and other 'big slow weapons' to get in a few decisive devastating hits, or something in-between like standard 2hs

    even within a sub category you can easily have a lot a variety in if 'this sword' has a crouchpoke, or if the standard moveset is wider or narrower slashes with thrusts mixed in etc...

  26. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Souls games have the best combat of any modern real time RPG. By a wide margin even.

  27. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Soulslike
    >describes monster hunter
    You're insufferable with your ignorance
    Ninja gaiden is the answer of course

  28. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    No one thinks Skyrim combat is good. I would prefer KOTOR style realtime with pause to that.

  29. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >you can't choose the attack angle or speed or anything
    You actually can, don't use target lock, aim your camera + character and hold R2. The weapon pivots upwards if you aim your camera up. Some weapons even hit behind your character if you aim it right.
    Souls is deep enough I think, most people can't even master these simple mechanics.

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