if you're going to do this at least compare counterparts: Psudeo to Psuedo, Starter to Starter, Late Game Bug/Steel type. Gen 2 would still win and you wouldn't look like a massive moron.
We finally had some "major" character with a Garbodor and that generated plenty of good art. Some people like Trubbish and Garbodor now, me included. They just needed a small push and some charismatic interactions to be liked, most pokemon are like that. You will end up seeing some Mr Rime fans after it gets knocked out in the anime.
Nate is unironically the best trainer design to come out of the franchise, and I don't really like gen 5 a all that much. He just looks moronic in Nu-Sugimori art.
Left is still better. The designs on the right are way too busy. If it's something a kid can't sketch from memory or be made into a toy easily, it's a bad monster design.
I don't care much for Hydreigon's design and Bisharp is too humanoid, but anyone saying Volcarona is a worse design than anything on the left is blinded by nostalgia.
I don't think people uniroically say gen 5 was "peak."
It's usually gen 3 or 4.
But nice try, I especially like that you picked the worst possible mons to represent gen 5.
6/10 bait but i'll bump your score to 7/10 for effort.
Merchandising but also it fit the natural theme of Johto and the breeding feature of Gen 2. But after Gen 4 Gamefreak seemed to realize the fanbase hated dex slots being wasted on cross gen baby pokemon and thankfully stopped making them
Gen 2 also started development at the peak of the Tamagotchi fad and baby Pokemon were an obvious attempt to hop on the bandwagon, like they later did with Yo-Kai Watch.
Breeding, baby pokemon, the day/night cycle, all of it was done to give gen 2 a slower atmosphere that girls and casuals could appreciate. That's also why Johto has the infamous "level curve", it's all done to make the game slower paced, something you take your time with, and give you something to do other than battle.
if you're going to do this at least compare counterparts: Psudeo to Psuedo, Starter to Starter, Late Game Bug/Steel type. Gen 2 would still win and you wouldn't look like a massive moron.
by popular demand i don't know if you meant genesect, but I assume by "late-game bug/steel" you meant durant
made one for gen 4 too. personally I think the designs still hold up (may be a little biased because garchomp is my favorite pokémon), although the gen 2 artstyle is better
did yanmega instead of wormadam because it shares more in common with scizor, with both being late-game bug-type crossgen evos
escavalier is probably the single most forgettable pokémon. you can't really blame me for forgetting about it
I disagree and I also believe the first 2 generations diddled you because I don’t get how you can blindly hate something that much, maybe it’s a sign you are being disingenuous.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you must be new here, we've always hated genwun and acknowledged that gen 2 was a lazy cashgrab with a laughably shit level curve
Thank you. Yes Durant is what I meant, though I just realized that Excavalier could work since its a trade evo like Scizor.
This actually does a good job at highlighting the differences in design philosophy between the gen. Both side look col but I think Gen2'sseems simpler and sleeker while Gen5 errs slightly on being too overdetailed.
As soon as the company started pandering to women and making every fricking pokemon spherical
just look at trainers after gen 5, they're all kawaii anime uguu faced with chipmunk teeth and soft round eyes meant for women
They always pandered to women that's why we had mons like Jigglypuff and Clefairy and Pikachu. The very mascot that carries the series was given to a women designer to "make cuter". The game was always meant for everyone.
This roundness you are noticing is based on current art and design trends and can be seen in media everywhere especially media that is child friendly.
I noticed that water colors give even gen 8 mons shit load of soul, even charmander look like ass in new style
Frieza's arc is peak shonen and even if you hate Dragon Ball you can't argue that Toryama's art and character design aren't amazing, especially before Z.
When they decided to spend every new gen just making a temporary gimmick that won't carry over in later games instead of either reworking existing mechanics or adding something permanent to the formula. Gen 6 was the last time something new and permanent was added in fairy types and the steel type rework. The ones after have only made the gimmick their main draw that's supposed to separate them from the others. >Gen 7 is gen 6 with z moves >Gen 8 is gen 6 with dynamax >Gen 9 is gen 6 with terastalizing
I think it'd be cool if they tried adding something permanent that can last. Or they can work with stuff they already have, but making them more of a focus than they might've been to other games. Like how colosseum/XD were exclusively double battles. I think they could explore games with where the other battle styles are more emphasized.
When they started dumbing down the "monster" aspect.
I'd say these are 3 good reasons. There's also the fact that regions these days feel like half baked theme-parks.
I'm saying this as a guy who likes some new gen mons.
When they decided to spend every new gen just making a temporary gimmick that won't carry over in later games instead of either reworking existing mechanics or adding something permanent to the formula. Gen 6 was the last time something new and permanent was added in fairy types and the steel type rework. The ones after have only made the gimmick their main draw that's supposed to separate them from the others. >Gen 7 is gen 6 with z moves >Gen 8 is gen 6 with dynamax >Gen 9 is gen 6 with terastalizing
I think it'd be cool if they tried adding something permanent that can last. Or they can work with stuff they already have, but making them more of a focus than they might've been to other games. Like how colosseum/XD were exclusively double battles. I think they could explore games with where the other battle styles are more emphasized.
I definitely think they were the coolest of the gimmicks, but they were also the hardest to implement fairly. Only a select few pokemon got megas some of the ones that did got trash megas. And I get from a production standpoint, designing hundreds of megas would be way harder than just making a few dozen z moves, dynamax, and terastalizing forms that can spread across every pokemon.
>Gen 2
Apricorns and Pokeball making >Gen 3
Secret Bases, Contest Battles >Gen 4
Underground >Gen 5
PWT, Pokestar Studios, Pokémon Musical, Dream World, Difficulty modes, Seasons
Yeah gimmicks have never existed before Gen 6.
Do you really lack so much reading comprehension that you can't tell the difference between what are side quest gimmicks and gimmicks that are the core of the entire game?
You could play any of those other gens, see those gimmicks once as a prerequisite for the game, and never have to touch them again if you don't want to.
Gen 5 added hidden abilities and gems, that ended up being readded as Z-moves later on. While I hate gen 6-8 I cannot simply say "old good new bad", there are merits to how accessible competitive is nowadays, and how the forced exp share could be used to make rotating teams less of a slog to play. I despise megas because of distribution issues and Dynamax for being the most broken shit in singles, VGC players can have that cake and eat it if they like big mons so much. Z-moves are just better gems and that is perfectly fine.
Franchise peaked at gen 5, took a big fall at gen 6, tried to climb in gen 7 just to be at it's lowest in gen 8. There is no way gen 9 can be a worse shit show than it's predecessor.
When they removed Gorochu, Barunda, Omega, Shinjuku Jack and Danpei.
It stopped being lame with the release of Emerald, but then reverted to lameness with XY.
>Gorochu
legitimate loss >Barunda
Jigglypuff/Drifloon is better >Omega
generic Gen 1 monster, we have Rhydon, Kangaskhan, and Nidoking >Shinjuku Jack
I really hope this was a trainer and not a mon, he looks like he belongs in Virtua Fighter >Danpei
legitimate loss
post-gameboy color era
true and soulpilled
Never, dipshit.
pokefans have no standards and bought it anyway
I know, right?
if you're going to do this at least compare counterparts: Psudeo to Psuedo, Starter to Starter, Late Game Bug/Steel type. Gen 2 would still win and you wouldn't look like a massive moron.
You know what im gonna say it, I really like Garbodor
Garbodor is based, pretty much only bandwagoners hate it
Do people actually hate Garbodor?
Bullshit.
How can one person be so based, I refuse to believe it.
We finally had some "major" character with a Garbodor and that generated plenty of good art. Some people like Trubbish and Garbodor now, me included. They just needed a small push and some charismatic interactions to be liked, most pokemon are like that. You will end up seeing some Mr Rime fans after it gets knocked out in the anime.
No cannon deipctions of nate show him using those Pokemon.
Nate is unironically the best trainer design to come out of the franchise, and I don't really like gen 5 a all that much. He just looks moronic in Nu-Sugimori art.
Nate is a hideous design. Ugly ass homosexual.
silence boomer
make me you zoomer
says the ugly ass homosexual
Left is better
left looks comfy
>Gen 2 at its absolute worst is still better than Gen 5 at its absolute best
LMAO
Left is still better. The designs on the right are way too busy. If it's something a kid can't sketch from memory or be made into a toy easily, it's a bad monster design.
So you must love new designs like Lechonk and Smoliv, right? They're way simpler than anything there.
Eh. There's a balance to strike between simple and interesting.
Cyclizar and Bellibolt are great. Waiting for Pawmi's evos, too.
Worst take I have ever seen
Switch out the cuck2trainer who got molested by a hiker with BASED Hilbert and this will be fact.
>implying Hilbert is better than the GOAT Nate
LOL
Left is still better.
Right looks like fricking Digimon
>still using Digimon as an insult when all new Digimon mog nu-pokemon designs
Okay, but unironically, left is kino and right is soulless
left = pokemon
right = digimon
Nah, with Digimon there's be more belts and guns randomly scattered around.
Right is better and only contrarian morons would disagree.
I don't care much for Hydreigon's design and Bisharp is too humanoid, but anyone saying Volcarona is a worse design than anything on the left is blinded by nostalgia.
>using muppet dragon as example of good design
kek
hahahaha left is still better than the best of Gen V lmfao
>johto STILL better
Volcarona is damn cool but the amount of pure soul flowing from the left side is overwhelming.
I don't think people uniroically say gen 5 was "peak."
It's usually gen 3 or 4.
But nice try, I especially like that you picked the worst possible mons to represent gen 5.
6/10 bait but i'll bump your score to 7/10 for effort.
>I don't think people uniroically say gen 5 was "peak."
I wish this were true
>I don't think people uniroically say gen 5 was "peak.
B2W2 is the peak
Garbodor is a good design Black person
Did you have to use a toy?
They're not toys. They're extremely popular collectable that millions of people buy each year.
If he didn't Pichu would've mogged every single gen5 mon in that pic. Both Togepi and Unown already do that though so I don't know why he bothered
Much better.
Look out Joltik there's a giant bird coming at you!
What even was the point of Baby Pokemon? It literally just had to be selling toys, right?
Merchandising but also it fit the natural theme of Johto and the breeding feature of Gen 2. But after Gen 4 Gamefreak seemed to realize the fanbase hated dex slots being wasted on cross gen baby pokemon and thankfully stopped making them
Gen 2 also started development at the peak of the Tamagotchi fad and baby Pokemon were an obvious attempt to hop on the bandwagon, like they later did with Yo-Kai Watch.
Breeding, baby pokemon, the day/night cycle, all of it was done to give gen 2 a slower atmosphere that girls and casuals could appreciate. That's also why Johto has the infamous "level curve", it's all done to make the game slower paced, something you take your time with, and give you something to do other than battle.
>give you something to do other than battle.
I fricking wish modern Pokemon would do this.
Gen 8's overworld designer should be shot on the spot.
Game Freak hated Johto, so they stuck them with Kanto's unwanted abortions.
by popular demand
i don't know if you meant genesect, but I assume by "late-game bug/steel" you meant durant
Is a trade steel/bug like scizor
made one for gen 4 too. personally I think the designs still hold up (may be a little biased because garchomp is my favorite pokémon), although the gen 2 artstyle is better
did yanmega instead of wormadam because it shares more in common with scizor, with both being late-game bug-type crossgen evos
escavalier is probably the single most forgettable pokémon. you can't really blame me for forgetting about it
>a shitty DBZ ripoff is better
Pokemon's art style was a soulless toriyama ripoff for the first (worst) two gens
and one for gen 3
if you don't believe that traditional watercolor art has more soul than something done on a computer, i don't know what to tell you
Gen 3 still look like monsters. In fact Sugimori said gen 2 designs were too babyfied and they tried to revert it in gen 3.
Skip gen 6 and 7 because it still has cool pokemon, i double dare you to make gen 8 look cool
I disagree and I also believe the first 2 generations diddled you because I don’t get how you can blindly hate something that much, maybe it’s a sign you are being disingenuous.
you must be new here, we've always hated genwun and acknowledged that gen 2 was a lazy cashgrab with a laughably shit level curve
Scavalier is cool frick you
Thank you. Yes Durant is what I meant, though I just realized that Excavalier could work since its a trade evo like Scizor.
This actually does a good job at highlighting the differences in design philosophy between the gen. Both side look col but I think Gen2'sseems simpler and sleeker while Gen5 errs slightly on being too overdetailed.
this makes gen 5 look even worse than OP's image.
>left side
>simplistic but easily identifiable and appealing monsters
>right side
>edgy deviantart dragon
>literal cartoon animal but lazily recolored to match its type
>moronic overdesigned pig with horrible proportions
Gen 2 and 5 are my favorites this is a good post.
This was almost a perfect comparison. Use Escavalier instead of Durant.
when are we getting AI img2img water colour style apes of new pokemon?
Nate literally is peak you dumbass idk what to tell you
peak at getting his back blown out by BBC
I like how the discord raiders have to pretend to like gen 2 to make any argument agsinst 5
I remember making this as bait. Glad to see it still works
even Oddish looks cool here what the frick
Because it's trying to fit into the current zeitgeist. Pokemon got lame, but just about everything else got lame as well.
now draw the new ones in the old watercolor style.
*give em sugimori eyes*
It all started going downhill when the games started making you the chosen one instead of just a random trainer trying to make their way in the world.
>the 10 year old who singlehandedly took down the pokemon mafia is just a "random trainer"
In what way are you not? Red doesn't even get rid of Team Rocket permanently.
As soon as the company started pandering to women and making every fricking pokemon spherical
just look at trainers after gen 5, they're all kawaii anime uguu faced with chipmunk teeth and soft round eyes meant for women
They always pandered to women that's why we had mons like Jigglypuff and Clefairy and Pikachu. The very mascot that carries the series was given to a women designer to "make cuter". The game was always meant for everyone.
This roundness you are noticing is based on current art and design trends and can be seen in media everywhere especially media that is child friendly.
I noticed that water colors give even gen 8 mons shit load of soul, even charmander look like ass in new style
Gen 5 kickstarted the decline of quality in the pokemon franchise
>dog with vegita eyes
>rat with vegita eyes
>rock with vegita eyes
>ball with vegita eyes
Glad we exited the Akira Toriyama influence era.
the shape and color of ratata's and growlithe's eyes are different there. they're both angular and angry but the shape is different
So generic Akira Toriyama eyes.
find one toriyama drawing with those eyes
Well gee.
circle the rattata/growlithe eyes on this chart
?
4th row, third down.
>4th row, third down
how can the 4th row be three down?
he probably meant: fourth column, third from the top
engrish hado prease understandu
>BEJITABEJITABEJITABEJITABEJITABEJITA
The score, TardkuRAT. Proclaim it.
I hope you get run over by a car for your shit taste.
DBZ sucks
Frieza's arc is peak shonen and even if you hate Dragon Ball you can't argue that Toryama's art and character design aren't amazing, especially before Z.
I think Toriyama peaked with Dr. Slump and Dragon Ball was unneeded.
And you post and image with 3 of the best designs.
It started out lame, became good on the GBA, then got lame again on 3DS
Gen Z
I-i-its just the art style I promise!
left is better
And this is why you don't deserve quality, you blind gay.
seethe boomer
YWNBAW
that's rich coming from a johtroony
You're right it is just the art style. I take back what said Pokemon is still great.
boomers get the frick out
The minute they switched from sprites to 3D aka XY. XY was also the start of garbage gimmicks.
I'd say these are 3 good reasons. There's also the fact that regions these days feel like half baked theme-parks.
I'm saying this as a guy who likes some new gen mons.
The minute they switched from sprites to 3D aka DP. DP was also the start of garbage gimmicks.
933
>SHITbert
>based
Only flaming gays like you give a shit about that Battle Subway jobber. Nice Dollar store Red cosplay btw.
gen 6
/vp/ once again screeching. Grow up and evolve your flavor palette you fricking toddlers.
Gen 2 was the peak.
Yeah the peak of shit
When Gen 5 was born
After gen 2
When they decided to spend every new gen just making a temporary gimmick that won't carry over in later games instead of either reworking existing mechanics or adding something permanent to the formula. Gen 6 was the last time something new and permanent was added in fairy types and the steel type rework. The ones after have only made the gimmick their main draw that's supposed to separate them from the others.
>Gen 7 is gen 6 with z moves
>Gen 8 is gen 6 with dynamax
>Gen 9 is gen 6 with terastalizing
I think it'd be cool if they tried adding something permanent that can last. Or they can work with stuff they already have, but making them more of a focus than they might've been to other games. Like how colosseum/XD were exclusively double battles. I think they could explore games with where the other battle styles are more emphasized.
I'm bummed Megas are gone.
I definitely think they were the coolest of the gimmicks, but they were also the hardest to implement fairly. Only a select few pokemon got megas some of the ones that did got trash megas. And I get from a production standpoint, designing hundreds of megas would be way harder than just making a few dozen z moves, dynamax, and terastalizing forms that can spread across every pokemon.
Do you really lack so much reading comprehension that you can't tell the difference between what are side quest gimmicks and gimmicks that are the core of the entire game?
You could play any of those other gens, see those gimmicks once as a prerequisite for the game, and never have to touch them again if you don't want to.
>Gen 2
Apricorns and Pokeball making
>Gen 3
Secret Bases, Contest Battles
>Gen 4
Underground
>Gen 5
PWT, Pokestar Studios, Pokémon Musical, Dream World, Difficulty modes, Seasons
Yeah gimmicks have never existed before Gen 6.
Battle gimmicks are literally infinitely worse.
>Gen 2
Held items, Pokemon Genders, two new types, egg moves, friendship, special split, type effectiveness changes, move tutor
>Gen 3
Abilities and Natures, weather, double battles
>Gen 4
Physical/Special Split
Every battle gimmick from Gen 1-4 has persisted up until now. They only started cutting with Gen 6.
Gen 5 added hidden abilities and gems, that ended up being readded as Z-moves later on. While I hate gen 6-8 I cannot simply say "old good new bad", there are merits to how accessible competitive is nowadays, and how the forced exp share could be used to make rotating teams less of a slog to play. I despise megas because of distribution issues and Dynamax for being the most broken shit in singles, VGC players can have that cake and eat it if they like big mons so much. Z-moves are just better gems and that is perfectly fine.
Franchise peaked at gen 5, took a big fall at gen 6, tried to climb in gen 7 just to be at it's lowest in gen 8. There is no way gen 9 can be a worse shit show than it's predecessor.
>Franchise peaked at gen 5
no it didn't
When they started dumbing down the "monster" aspect.
When they removed Gorochu, Barunda, Omega, Shinjuku Jack and Danpei.
It stopped being lame with the release of Emerald, but then reverted to lameness with XY.
Omega is too short and chubby to be cool enough to live up to his name. He needed to be taller.
>Gorochu
legitimate loss
>Barunda
Jigglypuff/Drifloon is better
>Omega
generic Gen 1 monster, we have Rhydon, Kangaskhan, and Nidoking
>Shinjuku Jack
I really hope this was a trainer and not a mon, he looks like he belongs in Virtua Fighter
>Danpei
legitimate loss
>he looks like he belongs in Virtua Fighter
Good eye. He's literally a reference to Jacky Bryant from Virtua Fighter.
Oddish and Rattata fricking suck
*each other off
Don't talk shit about Rattata, you little b***h.
When your dad left you cause you're autistic.
gen wars are so moronic
we all already know that there's cute, cool, badass, and bad designs on every gen
Yes but the ratio shifted to cringe cute bait ever since XY.
But the proportions are each time lower.
why does the new trainer look so submissive? Even his pokemon look scared. Wtf is happening
They're supposed to be self-inserts, and Pokemon fans are by and large some of the most submissive cucks on the planet.
It only ever gets lame when TPC appeals to millennial nostalgia
The only thing your picture proves is Ken Sugimori’s OG style is based
where did we go so wrong bros...
>jobmons
around the time it got a female majority fanbase
These images are 30 years apart. Time to accept that things change
But I want good change, not bad change.
Much like the majority of adults stop following popular music or fashion, the designs aren’t shit, you’re just old.
the boy MCs haven't had good designs since XY. I don't know why people are acting suprised we're getting the 3rd soiboi in a row