When did you realize that Diablo 3 is the only good Diablo game? Countless of copycats (Path of Exile & Last Epoch) try to copy it's greatness till this day
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funnily enough it happened shortly after I experienced a traumatic brain injury
I have down's syndrome and new D3 was the best in the series
Isn't the whole series just gauntlet for meth addicts? Like you don't play it because it's good or fun or challenging but because you get a dopamine hit every time you get an orange or purple text pop up with a bigger number.
Yeah, it's cookie clicker with extra steps. Any RPG system is like that.
Just bad ones like Diablo. Good games aren't forcing you into being a meth addict.
any game with a loot system where number go up is just dopamine farming
Nioh seems a bit more than that
>DnD
No, play Diablo 1.
so you got arrested development, likely due to molestation. tell me about your childhood
75+ grind in d2 is fricking miserable
>75+ grind
more like 88+. just playing through the game with a full party killing everything, normal to hell baal, gets you to 88
I still have vivid memories of doing bloody foothill runs in the 80+ level range when lod first came out
Visualize those vivid memories because the catalog can see them too. You're never alone again.
based pre-1.10f boomer. in 1.09 (probably the version you are thinking of) i'd argue the grind was miserable from like level 30 on, because even normal difficulty you have to grind due to the level difference from normal to NM being so large that you'll gain basically no exp going through NM unless you already grinded a lot in normal.
but in 1.10f+, that's not a thing, while everyone online does mandatory tristram, tombs, cows, baal, etc (whatever the hyper meta choices are i cant remember exactly), it isn't necessary and you can just go through the game killing everything and get enough exp.
>it's good with friends
or just play singleplayer /players 8
I've noticed these games really have almost zero benefit from being multiplayer. Everyone plays solo.
dunno, at least I had fun doing that those 15,000 times
Diablo 2 had no endgame, so if you're doing 15,000 Baal runs you're probably doing it because you have a personal goal or are enjoying yourself.
The end game was getting to level 99.
The concept of getting to maximum level and then you get to play the "end game" is a MMO concept that has no place in ARPGs.
In MMOs the concept of end game makes sense because it signalizes a shift in the play style, since you move from a single player questing game to group content such as raids, etc.
ARPGs don't have this shift , it's the same gameplay from level 1 until you stop playing your character.
Just make the "end game" in d4 to get to 100, make it that you need to do high level nightmare dungeons to even get some xp at all, and when you die you lose XP, give characters 100 skill points and make a bigger and better skill tree.There you go, game fixed.
that's release d4 which everybody fricking hated
You are not as smart as you think.
maybe if they didn't have the graphics all blend together into a muddy mess and have moronic affixes like lucky strike and + damage to near enemies launch d4 could have been better
>it was hard to reach maximum level in d4 ever
LMAO
Grindy =/= hard.
Hard means if your character is not good enough, it will never reach maximum since you die and lose xp.
You'd know the difference if you ever played a good Arpg, Diablo baby.
ARPG equals Diablo. All others are just pretenders.
That's because blizzard trained everyone in WoW and subsequently D3 to expect to hit maximum level. They tried to do the d2 buffer levels but made getting to the soft cap trivial and included unique level 100 encounters so people had to FOMO their way to the top.
I've never played Diablo 4 but my impression was it's basically an online only microtransation game where it likely had dailies and shit to keep you coming back to entice you to spend money. How can something like that not have an endgame that keeps you coming back constantly? Diablo 2 had no reason to care when you quit.
There’s a cash shop sure but there’s no daily login stuff like mmo’s/mobile games get away with. The cash shop is priced beyond silly since they only sell bundled outfits even if you only like the helmet from a set you’ll have to shell out~$25.
It’s got the best campaign of the aarpg’s but falls off a cliff later, at least season 2 bloodtides were a fun grind. Don’t like how the seasonal stuff like vamp powers and construct stones have to be gotten on every character but I guess they really tried to keep players playing by forcing them to upgrade stuff multiple times but hey the glyph system sucks too.
HnS games went to shit once your character clearing entire room with one skill became a basic gameplay loop and not a well earned reward for reaching endgame and collecting items for your build
this is no longer the paradigm
shit build = clears the room
average build = clears the room and also nearby rooms
good build = clears monsters before you can see them onscreen, you will never see a monster
This is the real problem. None of the content matters, none of the items matter, none of any of it matters, when the ultimate goal is to just kill everything on your screen as quick as possible. Artificial decision making to reach the same end goal, because that's what gaming has become now, speed runs and min-maxing, thanks to YT gaming channels and streamers. It's so fricking moronic. Experimenting in D2 and actually fricking up your character because of poor stat/skill choices was a rewarding experience. Some of the skills were just dogshit and poorly optimized, but that's a different discussion, the point was the game felt rewarding when you built your character and tried new things, not just copy-pasting a perfect and popular online build.
These games need to be slowed down. It gets to the point where you clear everything instantly and you don't even need the best gear to do it, making the gear grind pointless. For some moronic reason I decided to do everything in D4 S3 and my Barbarian basically insta shots everything in NM 100 and kills bosses in seconds. I don't even have a single uber legendary, so what's the fricking point of chasing them?
HA! you gays say this and blizzard listened to you diablo 4 is slower, more difficult, grittier
and guess what? IT FRICKING SUCKS
"slow" gameplay isn't fun, bricking your character because the devs can't balance for shit is not "rewarding"
you should both fricking have a nice day, you know why d4 is so bad? homosexuals like you if every single person who felt the way you did got tortured to death d4 would've ended up being a fun game most live service games would be way better but your wannabe hardcore BULLSHIT destroyed gaming and then you come here, lie and pretend "muh casuals" did it
seriously, you make me sick
Last Epoch is pretty close to better. Give it time.
That said 3 is definitely the best Diablo and BTFOs Grim Yawn/POE/Torchlight/etc.
I'm hoping the new cycle is fun.
arpgs are games made for simpletons
First game is good (if you play as the Warrior) and that's about it.
The second is far too easy for 99% of the time and then you get one shotted.
lol Blizzard shit talking their own game?
Yeah, posted in the official Diablo 4 twitter account. They have been doing it for some time now.
Are you moronic?
Yeah, I assumed it was a Twitter screencap. And it looked like the official Diablo 4. I see now it's fricking reddit. Man, frick 4reddit.
They've been assblasted by Diablo 2 for years. I guess they don't see it as "their own game", Diablo 1 and 2 was developed by a separate company that Blizzard bought.
>waiting for POE 2 cause I've played too much poe
>redownload grim dawn since I see a bunch of updates happened since I played
>game is actually enjoyable now without having to buy potions all the time
>just started the campaign on elite
I'm having fun bros
It's a worse Last Epoch.
I haven't played last epoch yet. I refuse to buy early access shit.
It fully released with season 1 a few months back.
Does it have a proper end game?
Like mapping? Yeah but it's just the baseline mapping system except instead of relying on map drops you go through different "timelines" with each one having a series of nodes you can do to fill out progress for some capstone quests to get a timeline blessing. You can then reset the timeline at the end of a path and corrupt it for further modifiers when you go back to it.
Yes. But don't expect a decade's worth of content like PoE. You do maps, you kill bosses, you kill the shaper knockoff to juice everything up and repeat till you die(hc)/have had enough(sc)
Yea this is the kind of shit I've heard. I'll pass, I'm enjoying cooping grim dawn right now. Soon as we cap out we're starting up a titan quest run too to catch up on all the dlc released.
Why are you expecting it to have the same level of endgame as poe?
I don't but I kind of expect it to launch with the act story finished, the endgame sounds pretty bare too. I'll pass for now.
It’s kinda a catch 22 when releasing sequels that don’t match up to the other options out there. Should we really not expect better than a barebones game when they are directly competing with other games of a similar type over the same players. There’s only so much time in the day, why spend it in a shallow experience if you currently have much more.
It’s a shame the cycle repeats, Destiny was a shadow of what it became then the dropped a sequel with less to do. That should not be the norm or accepted as a matter of course. Do better, delay a game until it can match the direct competition so you don’t have to fix the game over the next year and a half garnering lots of negative press for the state it was in at launch. Same applies to D3-D4
it's finished with version 1.0 but it still hasn't finished the story since that's a seasons thing
Last Epoch is full release now and it's breddy gud
dont bother its badly copypastad poe where mages run around with 20k healthbar and 1mil dps while melees struggle to balance both and cant go over 5k without losing dmg.
I mean, Diablo 2 is a fun game playing it on all the difficulties once. But playing it for hundreds of hours and running the same bosses over and over for the chance at a rare drop? What's the point? It's not an MMO.
Diablo 2 had the benefit of trading. Not officially supported in the game, but outside of it. It provided a lot of motivation, though I never participated. Claiming the d2jsp grinders are the main Diablo 2 players is pretty disingenuous.
>But playing it for hundreds of hours and running the same bosses over and over
Just check poe, even that game has a pretty huge drop few weeks after the start of a new league
The morons that play these games for 100+ hours and farm the "endgame" are a minority
>does
simple as
15K isn't even one level 99 by the way, especially if you are soloing, even in group play using top2, it took anywhere from 20-25K baal runs in LoD to hit 99, depending on if you had a chaoser feeding you diablos. I did this 8 times, and have around a hundred 95-98s just in vanilla, and an uncountable number of lower levels than that. resurrected made the grind much much shorter, but I still enjoy the game just as much and play a baseline of at least a few dozen hours of D2 every month and go back and play a bunch more several times per year in old mods/online/offline just as I have for the past 24 years. your slop game will NEVER offer this staying power, be it d3 or d4 or last epoch or poe or whatever else you can name.
I finally tried D1
this shit is actually so good
frick d2
i see that traumatic brain injury is still kicking hard
The fact that i can speedup the game it's already a goty in my book
>speedrun
>walking very very very very slowly
what did he mean by that?
>moronic Black person
>cant read
LMAO
>i need to hack this trash ass no fun boring tedious game in order to make it even remotely playable
why can't you just enjoy the walking simulator speed that the game developer intended for your kind troony? do you got adhd or something?
i thought about retrying d4, but then i remembered there is no different gameplay to explore. just doing the same monotonous mob grinding for hours upon hours. i guess that genre has hit a dead-end if they really can't think of any way to shake things up.
>DIABLO 4 IS GOOD YOU DIDN'T ACTUALLY HAVE FUN PLAYING 2
Diablo games should just try the dark souls formula
Challenge > farming pixels
>muh poe2
>muh rest of the wicked
Not soul enough
play median xl, learn why it doesn't work firsthand.
>muh medianxl
its literally just d2 with endgame
the challenge is just "grinding" perfect gear
you never killed the final 2 (3) (probably 4 by now) postgame bosses. the fights take 30 minutes, every attack 1shots, and only about 2 builds out of the hundreds available can even get that far to reach that baseline. and I'm not even going into SSF, which is not even viable to reach midgame unless you get supremely lucky AND invest several thousand hours of gameplay into your character farming every tiny stat increase from trophys to RNG rolls on boss items to skill/stat books to using 7 different characters to farm specific bosses at midgame because zero builds are actually capable of doing more than a couple midgame bosses and then at endgame there's maybe 1 build per boss that is viable, sometimes zero builds are viable and people just find exploits to win or give up on the content for that patch and nobody clears it.
>you never killed the final 2 (3) (probably 4 by now) postgame bosses. the fights take 30 minutes, every attack 1shots, and only about 2 builds out of the hundreds available can even get that far to reach that baseline.
the challenge is literally just grinding perfect gear
I dont wanna grind gear, i just want the challenge
post your perfect Deimoss charm with a timestamp of your character. actually, I won't be mean, just post your perfect Samael charm and I'll call that a compromise.
you DO know that perfect endgame boss charms are not RNG based and instead skill-based, right? surely.
have a nice day
I accept your concession, try again another time cuck.
Diablo games have always kind of had that with "Ironman". It's self imposed and not system imposed. (S)olo (S)elf (F)ind. No armor. things like that.
>controller plugged
>legacy graphics toggled
>summon necro
Words can't describe this fun.
>5 bodyguards
THIS PUSSY LMAO
Look how close I am to leveling. It's about to be SIX.
it makes me mad how good they've remade the controls just for controller and not keyboard and mouse. It's such a chore to play official D2R
>and not keyboard and mouse
But they did. You can use the og RClick method if you like, or you can turn on a hotbar and use Quick Cast to play D2R the same way D3 etc are played with hotkeys.
You can't. D2R using a controller gives you perfect analog movement, while on mkb you are stuck with 8 binary directions. There's also other QoL that you only get with a controller, like health bars over enemy heads (why the frick is this locked to controllers) or auto aimed spells that are ridiculously strong.
Also forgot to mention another egregious controller only QoL, which is that the potion belt doesn't matter on controller because the heal button will always pull a potion from the inventory regardless if its on the belt or not.
How exactly is that QoL? It's just dumbing down inventory management, which is part of the game. Same with aiming, how now having to play the game is QoL?
It's QoL because it is objectively the most efficient way to play the game, which means you're forced to use a controller or else you're just getting forced to be objectively worse than controller users.
Ah, thought you meant the spell controls. Even though I mostly play traditional, I really like how you can bind and see how many identify and portal scrolls you have with the hotbar.
>stuck with 8 binary directions
It's 16, and while you do have more precision on controller, it's tile-grid based in both cases. Both controller and mouse take you to the closest tile of where you wanted to go; you cannot stop between titles with a controller. They did a little preview of this in the old announcements with the grid toggled on.
>like health bars over enemy heads (why the frick is this locked to controllers)
Only one enemy gets a floating health bar: the one you are currently targeting, as a means of feedback of who you're aiming at. It's the same on M&K where you only see your target's info and hp appears at the top, except you know who your mouse is over and controller needs more information. It's not general healthbars for all enemies. That said, I agree it should at least be an option to have mouse-over floating health bars, even if I personally wouldn't use it.
>They did a little preview of this in the old announcements with the grid toggled on.
This was way harder to find than it should have been, but pic related. Players are always bound to the grid, controller or otherwise (even though D2R has a fully 3D overlay) because it still uses the base game's logic.
And an example of the health bar, which is just one enemy. Excuse the weird colors. I have HDR on and that always fricks up screenshots.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/p2e4c1/why_is_there_widespread_belief_that_diablo_ii_has/
d4 bad
d4 dogshit
Npc post
Npc video
actual quin69 viewer spotted. please tell your clowntard to stop flooding the internet with shitty D4 AI songs, I'm trying to watch alkaizer in peace here and he keeps getting distracted by a new D4 bad song every 5 minutes.
why are quin viewers so insecure? they really hate d4
Battered wife syndrome
D4 has been engoodened. Season 4 fixed everything.
>adds greater rifts
now D4 just needs fishing
>Diablo
>ever being good
lol
The first one was pretty good for its time, zoomie.
D3 is fun because there's so many movement abilities to chain together. At least Demon Hunter is fun. I'm too autistic and can't play anything else. Templar and Monk look fun too thougheverbeit.
What people don't get about the OP image is that while the Baal runs themselves may have been mechanically boring, they were still entertaining because the itemization in the game was good. Sure, D4 has a vastly more diverse endgame, but it's all for nothing because the items are fricking boring.
The entire new wave of ARPGs is misguided and boring because they focus on the wrong thing (gameplay mechanics instead of itemization and economy)
The items are the gameplay, not moving your character around and using skills
If they're going to make that the focus then they need to make it so players have to follow how to build guides and be forced to come up with their own unique builds instead of just copying a build point for point because then it's just a satan themed slot machine.
Every game has a meta but it’s up to the devs to make experimenting more fun and rewarding
>new game is bad but le old game is also bad
why is this supposed to be some gotcha? the new game should have learned from the old game and improved *cough*dd2*cough*
Xbox is now the primary platform for Diablo. Diablo is mostly played on Xbox consoles. Xbox won.
is there a Diablo clone but I shoot guns and it's in a sci-fi/modern setting instead of fantasy?
yeah borderlands
Botherlands don't have procedural dungeons, just procedural guns.
Also, it suffers from "it's fun with friends".
I will look it up.
Yea and it was fricking terrible
Restricted area. Not sure if it's available or playable on modern machines today.
The Ascent is like that, Cyberpunk.
Fallout 4 has a very similar gameplay loop to an arpg.
>dungeon delve
>kill everything
>loot big chest at the end for random legendaries
Hellgate London
Wh40k inquisitor
I dont think these type of games should be called whatever they are called right now
Instead they should be called Skinner Box simulators
I call them rooty tooty grindy looties .
Your Stockholm Syndrome is very sad.
Your mom syndrome is very sad.
get fricking merked son
>blizztrannies trying to gaslight people into thinking Dilator 3 was good
I'll play along.
Daaaaaamn. This gameplay fire. Wow. Waaay way better than anything anyone else is gonna post.
*mic drops*
*thread kneels to my feet*
*anon finally slits his wrists*
>activate windows
with the incoming loot changes in d4, are they finally fixing the boring af affixes on gear like +50% damage or +dmg vs vulnerable? Just give me 5 fire dmg instead please
no but now they're bigger numbers after masterworking
there has never been a good arpg game
the entire genre is trash
>iq 13
I'm glad twitch wasn't around when Diablo 2 was released.
Human paladin is gay. When's the angel class.
Ummm nooooooo I liek being.....uhhh like downtrodden....for the peeple....or somethin.....Idk it's really deep I swear.
I always liked D3 because sending dozens of ragdolls flying in every direction was fun and satisfying
that's the one thing PoE2 still gets wrong. ragdolls are great in arpgs. Titan Quest and Grim Dawn understood that 20 years ago
there isn't much difference between d3's slightly random rifts and running areas in d2. Both games have their good and bad. D4 is complete trash though and it's a pain just to get to level 60+
Poe 2 is going to finally fix the genre making so you still have the fun build autism and cool equipment grind and economy but now the gameplay is actually going to be good to and you have to execute your cool strategy well instead of just closing your eyes and mashing your damage spell. The latter worked when people had to figure out their own builds but now that everyone can just follow the best builds someone else made the genre has nothing going for it.
none of you homosexuals are real posters. kys each and everyone one of you
>start lashing out like a moron
>no one even bothers to posts wojacks
lmfao all bark and absolutely no bite to be found
literally kys homosexuals
but only ironically ok
Stop talking to yourself every thread and kys instead
Shitposters taking it easy right now. They'll btfo me later. Let me build up my strength. Next thread I visit will have some vague recollection tieing events together and they'll pwn me subliminally instead.
btw the catalog can literally read your mind & your computer.
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There is no good Diablo game, or Diablo-like. The entire genre is shit and has ruined ARPGs.
2 years ago the catalog btfod me off the board and ever since then I get pokes left and right side for each though. Could be a super power.
poe 2 looks good
I hope it remains challenging and not just the bosses
Someone is using neural monitoring technology on this board purely for epic shitposts.
why don't they make ARPGs like roguelikes where it's actually difficult to survive and you can replay more often
Bro like.................we know...so what. The catalog can read our mind. Big whoopdiedooo. Jeez. what a newbie hahahahahhaahhahahah..........
Nay.
The catalog doth not thine read thy mind hesesay, or something
The catalog posted real mean stuff one time after I epically pwned an internet argument offender. It was just confirmation bias thoever.
Bros....is it true....does the catalog really read our mind.....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
Yep.
not cappin either.
Endless grind is moronic, for me the game ends when I kill Hell Baal on HC
This is the thread about how the catalog reads your mind now. sorry you got confused
ice cream? god I love ice cream!
god doesn't exist sir
honest to god I b***hed a lot at launch but D3 was one of the most fun gaming experiences I've had.
Unironically I fricking loved the auction house, at least in the very beggining before it got fricked by chinks and meta
makes you wonder why someone would do 15,000 baal runs, eh? maybe it's not actually the repetitiveness of gameplay that causes the boredom?
>playing diablo 1 and 2 for the endgame
I guess they didn't get it
Diablo 1 and 2 were good because of the aesthetic. They were way more gory and gothic than whatever D3 and D4 are.
The progression system is a bit dated but you only need to play through them a few times.