XY are easily the worst games in the franchise, they are unsalvagable. SwSh is already decent but a third version would have the potential to be a great game
XY hands down.
They brought is a breadth of new features that were actually GOOD, SOUL and/or FUN, but just ended up not using them to even a fraction of their potential. And then those features got cut from next titles.
>Mega Evolution
Meg, a different take on forms that led to gimmicky nonsense. >Berry Breeding
It also came at the expense of longer berry farming in general so no. >Friend Safaris
Yeah, locking mon to an online feature that's going to die is such a great idea. >The PSS
Literally just an evolution of the C-gear >Riding on Pokemon
Completely worthless and added nothing to the game since riding pokemon was only possible in a select few areas rather than in general.
>It also came at the expense of longer berry farming in general >Yeah, locking mon to an online feature that's going to die is such a great idea.
You're right, dream world in gen 5 was a moronic idea
Not sure what your points have to do with XY though
The fun part being that no HAs are locked to the dream world as of bw2 with the introduction of hidden grottoes not to mention the dream radar.
The same can't be said about XY given that the majority of HA mon are only found in the friend safari given the limited amount of mon that can be found in hordes.
As for berries, well, the fact that you can just buy them from join avenue faster than you can grow most berries. God forbid if you try to grow one of the stat up berries like a Liechi Berry because that takes 4 real world days to grow.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>given that the majority of HA mon are only found in the friend safari
Damn then it sure is a good thing I can still use the friend safari without online, huh?
>As for berries, well, the fact that you can just buy them from join avenue faster
nope
6 months ago
Anonymous
Berry hybridization is a kino mechanic and I wish berry planting was actually implemented into the world (like in Gens 3-4) rather than being restricted only to one area detached from the rest of the game. If only there was another release to give the game a second pass and improve on its foundation or something
>Damn then it sure is a good thing I can still use the friend safari without online, huh?
You cannot use it without online and it will become inaccessible on new save files this coming April - just like in Gen 5 >nope
It is faster, that doesn't make it more fun
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Damn then it sure is a good thing I can still use the friend safari without online, huh?
With a limited set of pokemon and you have to give up the ability to restart the game which is a death sentence for a game as devoid of content as XY.
>nope
Hate to break it to you but one day is considerably faster than 4.
And join avenue can net you x4 the stat berries each day so you can get 16 in that time frame.
The max yield, as in you do everything perfectly over 4 days in XY is... 10.
Why don't you pick an easier target than gen 5 like gen 4 or something?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>With a limited set of pokemon and you have to give up the ability to restart the game which is a death sentence for a game as devoid of content as XY.
Not even, you can't enter your own Safari. The mechanic is entirely reliant on 3DS online
6 months ago
Anonymous
If you restart the game you lose the pokemon that require connectivity to obtain.
That also means you lose the ability to obtain hidden abilities since that unlocks with the third pokemon.
>With a limited set of pokemon
nope
>you have to give up the ability to restart the game
not really. I can catch all the HAs I need, then store them or trade them to another game, start a new save, then trade them back.
>a game as devoid of content as XY.
And it's even sadder than gen 5 is even more devoid of content.
>Hate to break it to you but one day is considerably faster than 4
You can't buy berries in one day in BW2.
[...] >Not even, you can't enter your own Safari
Thanks for admitting you've never actually played the Friend Safari ever and you're a disingenuous shitposter.
>nope
Yes, a limited set of pokemon.
>then store them or trade them to another game, start a new save, then trade them back.
And then you'll never be able to obtain HAs in the friend safari again.
>And it's even sadder than gen 5 is even more devoid of content.
Pretty sure no matter what I say you're going to attack gen 5 like I care so whatever.
>You can't buy berries in one day in BW2.
Yes, yes you can. With a florist in join avenue you can buy berries and they refresh daily.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>With a limited set of pokemon
nope
>you have to give up the ability to restart the game
not really. I can catch all the HAs I need, then store them or trade them to another game, start a new save, then trade them back.
>a game as devoid of content as XY.
And it's even sadder than gen 5 is even more devoid of content.
>Hate to break it to you but one day is considerably faster than 4
You can't buy berries in one day in BW2.
>With a limited set of pokemon and you have to give up the ability to restart the game which is a death sentence for a game as devoid of content as XY.
Not even, you can't enter your own Safari. The mechanic is entirely reliant on 3DS online
>Not even, you can't enter your own Safari
Thanks for admitting you've never actually played the Friend Safari ever and you're a disingenuous shitposter.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Thanks for admitting you've never actually played the Friend Safari ever and you're a disingenuous shitposter.
I have literally every single possible Safari, all with HAs unlocked. You can't enter your own safari.
I know it's the same guy shitposting in every thread but I swear he hates XY more than everyone else does
trainer customization
super training
amie
berry farming mutations
horde battles
streak based triple and rotation battles
honestly XY doesn't even need a 3rd version, it was already more polished than gen 5 and most of gen 4. But a third version would be neat to see what they would expand.
>trainer customization
Woefully limited on the male side. >super training
The only good part was obtaining reset bags otherwise it was a worthless feature. Hence why it was removed in the following games.
Not to mention it was made invalid by another point on your list. >amie
Same deal but even more useless given it made the game easier and it was already the easiest game in the series due to both the exp share and the capture exp that they didn't factor in. >berry farming mutations
>horde battles
Yes, this was actually a good feature and made EV training the fastest it ever was until the vitamin cap was removed. >streak based triple and rotation battles
Yeah, that's a battle mode introduced by gen 5. Adding it to the Maison doesn't make it a gen 6 feature.
>not being able to customize my trainer at all in gen 5
Which means it isn't a point of criticism for gen 5. >and playing fun minigames >and being able to obtain useful items like evolutionary stones
Ah yes, farming a very boring rng laden mini game. So much "fun" than just buying it like pretty much every other pokemon game.
>Interacting with your Pokemon is useless?
Yes, yes it is. If I wanted to play with a vpet I'd just use one of my digimon ones, which is vastly superior to amie in every way. And again it makes the game too easy.
't even have an argument for berries because his brain broke
No it's because I knew you were samegayging, although I did forget to click my other post.
>How do I do streak based triple and rotation battles in gen 5?
You can complain about gen 5 all you want but those are battle modes created by gen 5 and nothing can change that.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Which means it isn't a point of criticism for gen 5.
Yes it is.
>Ah yes, farming a very boring rng laden mini game
It's not boring or RNG based though. I'm sorry you're bad at the game.
>Yes, yes it is
Why are you playing Pokemon if you don't like Pokemon?
>It's too easy
Why are you playing Pokemon if you don't like Pokemon?
>No it's because I knew you were samegayging
I'm sorry you're moronic and can't comprehend more than one person realizing gen 5 is shit
>but those are battle modes created by gen 5
Cool, then how do I do streak based triple and rotation battles in gen 5?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Yes it is
No because they never intended to have customization. You can't criticise something that doesn't exist.
>It's not boring or RNG based though
Except it is. It's shoot the target and you only get a chance at an item which is boring and rng based.
>Why are you playing Pokemon if you don't like Pokemon?
Because I like pokemon, what I don't like are pointless features that do next to nothing.
And not every pokemon is as brain dead easy as XY was. Trying to fail is more difficult than anything else in that game.
>and can't comprehend more than one person realizing gen 5 is shit
This isn't even about gen 5, it's about gen 6. Meaning that as much as you want to whine about gen 5 it won't change the criticism of gen 6.
Also you're easy to spot and the supposed other guy died just as I got you to focus on me.
>then how do I do streak based triple and rotation battles in gen 5?
Again, triples and rotations were gen 5 battle modes. This is like saying XY didn't introduce hordes because ORAS had a trainer horde battle.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>No because they never intended to have customization
Yes, because the game is rushed and unfinished. The game intending to be shit doesn't stop it from being shit.
>Except it is
Except it isn't. I'm sorry you're bad at the game.
>Because I like pokemon
Evidently not.
>And not every pokemon is as brain dead easy
Good job, you either 1. lied and revealed yourself as a disingenuous shitposter or 2. told the truth and revealed yourself as a gigantic moron who isn't worth listening to.
>as much as you want to whine about gen 5 it won't change the criticism of gen 6.
Ok. Glad we agree Gen 5 is worse than 6.
>Again, triples and rotations were gen 5 battle modes.
Cool so how do I do streak based triple and rotation battles in gen 5?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>because the game is rushed and unfinished
But enough about XY.
>I'm sorry you're bad at the game.
It's not a skill based game anon, there's nothing to be bad at.
>Evidently not.
Believe it or not monster tamer games aren't about petting.
> 1. lied and revealed yourself as a disingenuous shitposter or 2. told the truth and revealed yourself as a gigantic moron who isn't worth listening to.
Or option 3. XY is the easiest game in the series.
You can rule out option one because I'm not being antagonistic or spreading misinformation and option 2 is out because I know more about the games than you do which makes you mad.
>Glad we agree Gen 5 is worse than 6.
Even if it was this isn't about gen 5.
>Cool so how do I do streak based triple and rotation battles in gen 5? >This is like saying XY didn't introduce hordes because ORAS had a trainer horde battle.
>i-it was intended to have less content
you can use this argument for literally all your critiques of XY.
At least you admit gen 6 has no content.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>i-it was intended to have less content
you can use this argument for literally all your critiques of XY.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>you can use this argument for literally all your critiques of XY.
NTA but no, XY was very much an incomplete game with so much of its lore going unexplained and the story generally being a mess. Not to mention all of the "dungeons" that were just one room.
6 months ago
Anonymous
> XY was very much an incomplete game with so much of its lore going unexplained
Nope. It was just intended to never have those things.
6 months ago
Anonymous
You can't use that excuse when they clearly meant for there to be more. The datamine and SM confirm this.
6 months ago
Anonymous
> You can't use that excuse when they clearly meant for there to be more
Nope. There was never intended to be more.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Tell that to Eternal Floette.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Zygarde's moves were also in game but unobtainable and the mega Lati
6 months ago
Anonymous
>BW2 is unfinished because of the God Stone
Glad we agree.
6 months ago
Anonymous
God stone was bw1 and they changed it for bw2.
Nice try.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>and they changed it for bw2
Nope.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, yes they did. The God stone was clearly meant to be Kyurem's stone like the black and white stone but it was changed in place of the DNA splicers, while the item still exists in the data we know it wasn't meant to be used.
The same can't be said about Floette which was just thrown away like like the rest of the trash XY was.
6 months ago
Anonymous
> while the item still exists in the data we know it wasn't meant to be used.
So just like Floette. Glad you agree XY is finished and it was intended not to have more.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>So just like Floette
The only problem is that we don't know a thing about Floette. Not to mention XY was the only game to not have an expansion of some kind.
Unless you can find an interview about it or a third version magically pops up, you're out of luck.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>The only problem is that we don't know a thing about Floette
Yes we do. Pay attention to the game.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Development wise anon.
We know it was in the game but it isn't used for anything because XY was woefully unfinished much like SM.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Development wise anon.
Ok then we don't know what the God Stone is either. Glad we agree BW2 is unfinished.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, we do. We know for a fact that it was related to Kyurem's and was changed when they decided to go with a sequel.
You can't say the same for XY.
But there's no point to this, you've clearly started looping so whatever bot is posting clearly can't continue.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Yes, we do
No, we don't.
>and was changed when they decided to go with a sequel
[citation needed]
6 months ago
Anonymous
>he needs a citation for B2W2 existing
I can’t help you anon.
6 months ago
Anonymous
BW2 is unfinished because it doesn't use the God Stone. So yes I need a citation.
If you played at smogon you'd get stomped.
So you play the actual game instead and stomp random kids with your meta teams.
Better?
6 months ago
Anonymous
What does that have to do with with anything?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Your replies indicate that you care about nothing but competitive. Yet, you play the actual games, rather than the proper competitive platform.
Jesus, man, did you have trouble with those "connect the dots" puzzles as a kid or something?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Your replies indicate that you care about nothing but competitive.
Yes because pokemon is only petting and competitive, there's no collection or exploration to it at all.
The again there wasn't much of that in XY so I'm not surprised you believe that.
6 months ago
Anonymous
The thing with exploration in XY was that routes and areas were either very good, or painfully simple. Shows that they first designed some of them and then rushed the rest. Perfect fix for a 3rd version.
XY had more collecting than any of the games before it (since aside from a full national pokedex of pokemon to collect, all the TMs, items and whatever, you could also collect clothes) and most of the games after it (only SMUSUM match it, everything after was worse in the collecting department).
6 months ago
Anonymous
>The thing with exploration in XY was that routes and areas were either very good, or painfully simple.
Eh, they weren't very good in general. A lot of them didn't have the same kind of nooks and crannies to explore that you would see in gen 1 to 5. >XY had more collecting than any of the games before it
In terms of pokemon count sure but there were also less methods than ever before making it feel extremely repetitive. You either caught it like normal or transferred, very little hidden areas, roamer were removed and the only optional dungeon with new pokemon was Terminus. It felt more like your hand was being held when you tried to explore the region rather than being able to explore it and find hidden spawn areas like the previous games.
You gays are so annoying. I think an inability to find praiseworthy or positive aspects about media you don't enjoy or hate has to be a mark of low IQ or some kind of mental illness.
6 months ago
Anonymous
there is nothing good about swsh that is unique to swsh (the ability to capture and battle pokemon) or isn't just a default expectation of a AAA console game (the UI is functional and responsive). does that satisfy your reddit pedantry
6 months ago
Anonymous
You're right because the things SWSH did well have already been improved by later games like the Wild Area or were done better in previous games like the angsty rival. It doesn't mean that with more polish the games themselves couldn't have been better and more enjoyable. A game doesn't need to be the peak of its series to be good and enjoyable.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>the things SWSH did well like the Wild Area
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah the wild area was done well in the DLC, sorry you didn't play the game. Which btw would be included in the base game in a hypothetical 3rd version
6 months ago
Anonymous
>the wild area was done well in the DLC
6 months ago
Anonymous
What's your point? That it has bad graphics?
6 months ago
Anonymous
that it has bad graphics, that it has bad art direction born from reused handheld assets, that a supposed open world area has absolutely nothing in it that isn't immediately adjacent to the player, that it was sold as dlc
6 months ago
Anonymous
Hey, now, anon, it's not completely empty. There's a tree in the background
6 months ago
Anonymous
Cool, I agree it has bad graphics, and that the overworld Pokémon spawns and item locations were improved in PLA and SV. I'm not a moronic shill for any game and can look at its positives and negatives.
It still has decent level design and more importantly provides a fresh and nice change of pace from the linear story which isn't something other games do. If you want to play a linear campaign you can stick to the Galar story, if you want to play an open world area, you can change to the Isle of Armor at any time during the gym challenge. It's a unique experience not really available in any other game. I agree it would be better if it weren't DLC, good thing we're talking about a hypothetical 3rd version where the DLC would be included.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>It still has decent level design
it is literally open, empty space that does not impede your progress in any way. there is no level design, the only gameplay is catching wild pokemon - which is not unique to swsh >and nice change of pace from the linear story
sure, that's fair >which isn't something other games do
absolutely incorrect. gens 1-4 all have optional routes and dungeons to break up the pace of the story, the difference is that they actually have level design. and even gens 5-7 still let you pause the game to go catch wild pokemon if you wanted
I appreciate that you gave an earnest reply but the Wild Area is an incredibly watered-down version of the same gameplay loop Pokemon has been doing for 30 years - it has no merits unique to SwSh. if anything it's more restrictive than older titles since the game prevents you from catching higher-leveled Pokemon despite the gameplay otherwise being the exact same
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Doesn't impede your progress
It impedes your progress in the same way the other wild area in the main game does, by locking areas behind the Rotom Bike's upgrades as you progress through the game.
>absolutely incorrect. gens 1-4 all have optional routes and dungeons to break up the pace of the story
Fair, but you're still playing through ultimately a linear region. You can explore optional areas between point A and B, but outside of some non linearity for a few gyms (a progressively smaller amount of non linearity per generation) you don't really have the freedom to explore basically an entire new fully open subregion outside of gen 2's postgame.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Sounds like Scarlet and Violet, guess this is the future of the franchise.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I think all of the Gen 1-7 games have their own merits and all the rabid shitposting on this board is clearly more about fandom wars than the actual games
I can't believe this is not only an actual game screenshot, it's what Joe chose to promote the DLC with. What an absolute circus of a release cycle lol
Who are you trying to fool exactly?
The only game that's worse than XY is SM. Hell the fricking side mode in XY was making videos, what kind of dumbass thought that was a good idea?
Gen 6 was treated as a 3DS tech demo. It had all the foundations to expand on the concepts of Life (X) and Death (Y) and what it means to interput that cycle (with zygarde) as they paralleled a lot of norse mythology. Instead they only focused on mega evolution and threw Zygarde shit into the next gen. Gen 6 needs a third definitive version.
When you don’t breed your pokemon to be better I can see why these games are called to be like shit. The next games would benefit getting rid of every QoL in breeding Pokemon has made to grab gold in the battle frontier.
>any 3rd version of SwSh would still have cut moves, no NatDex, permanent Exp.Share >Pokémon Z would still have the Gen 6 NatDex, Exp on toggle, Triple Battles, all 48 Megas and more
We truly were robbed eh lads
People would go for SWSH because it has better new Pokemon, better characters, and far superior charisma. XY is very boring in every way and you can barely tell that it has any personality (it really doesn't).
no third version would have fixed XY being entirely written about a stupid gimmick. would rather eat chalk than sit through any of that dialogue again. SwSh in comparison was only stupid, in fact it was actually kind of fun at times - i'd even call the characters good. it certainly wasn't unbearably obnoxious like XY and the mystery of mega evolution.
People would go for SWSH because most people on this board were 10 years old when it released/it was their first pogeymans game, so they have nostalgia for it.
There was nothing more to be done with SWSH story wise. They could definitely flesh out and polish the region like having the last 2 gyms actually be something but otherwise I don't think it needs a third game since it got DLC.
With Kalos we could have gotten context for what Zygarde actually does and tie up loose ends like eternal flower Floette never getting distributed. They could have also tweaked the controls to be more like ORAS instead of forcing the skates upon you.
x and y are actually decent games that would benefit from more development time and content
sword and shield are just dogshit
xy
XY are easily the worst games in the franchise, they are unsalvagable. SwSh is already decent but a third version would have the potential to be a great game
>SwSh is already decent but a third version would have the potential to be a great game
What's wrong with SWSH?
me when someone tries to claim platinum is good
SwSh's dlc was enough to make it an ok enough game, XY could have used a third version.
SWSH'S main game and storyline was definitely undercooked though. The story and characters could have used more time
XY hands down.
They brought is a breadth of new features that were actually GOOD, SOUL and/or FUN, but just ended up not using them to even a fraction of their potential. And then those features got cut from next titles.
>They brought is a breadth of new features that were actually GOOD, SOUL and/or FUN
Name them.
Mega Evolution
Berry Breeding
Friend Safaris
The PSS
Riding on Pokemon
>t-those have no soul!
You're wrong and dumb and also homosexual
Mega evolutions are the definition of soulless. Literally jumping the shark, pandering cashgrabs that ape other franchises.
>Mega Evolution
Meg, a different take on forms that led to gimmicky nonsense.
>Berry Breeding
It also came at the expense of longer berry farming in general so no.
>Friend Safaris
Yeah, locking mon to an online feature that's going to die is such a great idea.
>The PSS
Literally just an evolution of the C-gear
>Riding on Pokemon
Completely worthless and added nothing to the game since riding pokemon was only possible in a select few areas rather than in general.
>It also came at the expense of longer berry farming in general
>Yeah, locking mon to an online feature that's going to die is such a great idea.
You're right, dream world in gen 5 was a moronic idea
Not sure what your points have to do with XY though
The fun part being that no HAs are locked to the dream world as of bw2 with the introduction of hidden grottoes not to mention the dream radar.
The same can't be said about XY given that the majority of HA mon are only found in the friend safari given the limited amount of mon that can be found in hordes.
As for berries, well, the fact that you can just buy them from join avenue faster than you can grow most berries. God forbid if you try to grow one of the stat up berries like a Liechi Berry because that takes 4 real world days to grow.
>given that the majority of HA mon are only found in the friend safari
Damn then it sure is a good thing I can still use the friend safari without online, huh?
>As for berries, well, the fact that you can just buy them from join avenue faster
nope
Berry hybridization is a kino mechanic and I wish berry planting was actually implemented into the world (like in Gens 3-4) rather than being restricted only to one area detached from the rest of the game. If only there was another release to give the game a second pass and improve on its foundation or something
>Damn then it sure is a good thing I can still use the friend safari without online, huh?
You cannot use it without online and it will become inaccessible on new save files this coming April - just like in Gen 5
>nope
It is faster, that doesn't make it more fun
>Damn then it sure is a good thing I can still use the friend safari without online, huh?
With a limited set of pokemon and you have to give up the ability to restart the game which is a death sentence for a game as devoid of content as XY.
>nope
Hate to break it to you but one day is considerably faster than 4.
And join avenue can net you x4 the stat berries each day so you can get 16 in that time frame.
The max yield, as in you do everything perfectly over 4 days in XY is... 10.
Why don't you pick an easier target than gen 5 like gen 4 or something?
>With a limited set of pokemon and you have to give up the ability to restart the game which is a death sentence for a game as devoid of content as XY.
Not even, you can't enter your own Safari. The mechanic is entirely reliant on 3DS online
If you restart the game you lose the pokemon that require connectivity to obtain.
That also means you lose the ability to obtain hidden abilities since that unlocks with the third pokemon.
>nope
Yes, a limited set of pokemon.
>then store them or trade them to another game, start a new save, then trade them back.
And then you'll never be able to obtain HAs in the friend safari again.
>And it's even sadder than gen 5 is even more devoid of content.
Pretty sure no matter what I say you're going to attack gen 5 like I care so whatever.
>You can't buy berries in one day in BW2.
Yes, yes you can. With a florist in join avenue you can buy berries and they refresh daily.
>With a limited set of pokemon
nope
>you have to give up the ability to restart the game
not really. I can catch all the HAs I need, then store them or trade them to another game, start a new save, then trade them back.
>a game as devoid of content as XY.
And it's even sadder than gen 5 is even more devoid of content.
>Hate to break it to you but one day is considerably faster than 4
You can't buy berries in one day in BW2.
>Not even, you can't enter your own Safari
Thanks for admitting you've never actually played the Friend Safari ever and you're a disingenuous shitposter.
>Thanks for admitting you've never actually played the Friend Safari ever and you're a disingenuous shitposter.
I have literally every single possible Safari, all with HAs unlocked. You can't enter your own safari.
I know it's the same guy shitposting in every thread but I swear he hates XY more than everyone else does
Friend Safari was a terrible idea, tho.
All the others were good.
trainer customization
super training
amie
berry farming mutations
horde battles
streak based triple and rotation battles
honestly XY doesn't even need a 3rd version, it was already more polished than gen 5 and most of gen 4. But a third version would be neat to see what they would expand.
>A bunch of shitty gimmicks that do nothing
And yet they included them anyway. Goes to show how much more finished the game is compared to Gen 5.
>A bunch of shitty gimmicks that do nothing
>he's mindbroken
KEK
>Xhe has no argument.
I gave you an argument in
but you didn't even acknowledge it and just repeated your shitpost because your brain melted and you have nothing to defend gen 5
Better than having a bunch of features that do something, but are shit and absolutely no fun to experience, like open areas in SwSh.
>trainer customization
Woefully limited on the male side.
>super training
The only good part was obtaining reset bags otherwise it was a worthless feature. Hence why it was removed in the following games.
Not to mention it was made invalid by another point on your list.
>amie
Same deal but even more useless given it made the game easier and it was already the easiest game in the series due to both the exp share and the capture exp that they didn't factor in.
>berry farming mutations
>horde battles
Yes, this was actually a good feature and made EV training the fastest it ever was until the vitamin cap was removed.
>streak based triple and rotation battles
Yeah, that's a battle mode introduced by gen 5. Adding it to the Maison doesn't make it a gen 6 feature.
>Woefully limited on the male side.
you know what's even more limited? not being able to customize my trainer at all in gen 5
>The only good part was obtaining reset bags
and playing fun minigames
and being able to obtain useful items like evolutionary stones
>Same deal but even more useless
Interacting with your Pokemon is useless? Do you even like Pokemon?
>doesn't even have an argument for berries because his brain broke
KEK
>Adding it to the Maison doesn't make it a gen 6 feature.
How do I do streak based triple and rotation battles in gen 5?
>not being able to customize my trainer at all in gen 5
Which means it isn't a point of criticism for gen 5.
>and playing fun minigames
>and being able to obtain useful items like evolutionary stones
Ah yes, farming a very boring rng laden mini game. So much "fun" than just buying it like pretty much every other pokemon game.
>Interacting with your Pokemon is useless?
Yes, yes it is. If I wanted to play with a vpet I'd just use one of my digimon ones, which is vastly superior to amie in every way. And again it makes the game too easy.
't even have an argument for berries because his brain broke
No it's because I knew you were samegayging, although I did forget to click my other post.
>How do I do streak based triple and rotation battles in gen 5?
You can complain about gen 5 all you want but those are battle modes created by gen 5 and nothing can change that.
>Which means it isn't a point of criticism for gen 5.
Yes it is.
>Ah yes, farming a very boring rng laden mini game
It's not boring or RNG based though. I'm sorry you're bad at the game.
>Yes, yes it is
Why are you playing Pokemon if you don't like Pokemon?
>It's too easy
Why are you playing Pokemon if you don't like Pokemon?
>No it's because I knew you were samegayging
I'm sorry you're moronic and can't comprehend more than one person realizing gen 5 is shit
>but those are battle modes created by gen 5
Cool, then how do I do streak based triple and rotation battles in gen 5?
>Yes it is
No because they never intended to have customization. You can't criticise something that doesn't exist.
>It's not boring or RNG based though
Except it is. It's shoot the target and you only get a chance at an item which is boring and rng based.
>Why are you playing Pokemon if you don't like Pokemon?
Because I like pokemon, what I don't like are pointless features that do next to nothing.
And not every pokemon is as brain dead easy as XY was. Trying to fail is more difficult than anything else in that game.
>and can't comprehend more than one person realizing gen 5 is shit
This isn't even about gen 5, it's about gen 6. Meaning that as much as you want to whine about gen 5 it won't change the criticism of gen 6.
Also you're easy to spot and the supposed other guy died just as I got you to focus on me.
>then how do I do streak based triple and rotation battles in gen 5?
Again, triples and rotations were gen 5 battle modes. This is like saying XY didn't introduce hordes because ORAS had a trainer horde battle.
>No because they never intended to have customization
Yes, because the game is rushed and unfinished. The game intending to be shit doesn't stop it from being shit.
>Except it is
Except it isn't. I'm sorry you're bad at the game.
>Because I like pokemon
Evidently not.
>And not every pokemon is as brain dead easy
Good job, you either 1. lied and revealed yourself as a disingenuous shitposter or 2. told the truth and revealed yourself as a gigantic moron who isn't worth listening to.
>as much as you want to whine about gen 5 it won't change the criticism of gen 6.
Ok. Glad we agree Gen 5 is worse than 6.
>Again, triples and rotations were gen 5 battle modes.
Cool so how do I do streak based triple and rotation battles in gen 5?
>because the game is rushed and unfinished
But enough about XY.
>I'm sorry you're bad at the game.
It's not a skill based game anon, there's nothing to be bad at.
>Evidently not.
Believe it or not monster tamer games aren't about petting.
> 1. lied and revealed yourself as a disingenuous shitposter or 2. told the truth and revealed yourself as a gigantic moron who isn't worth listening to.
Or option 3. XY is the easiest game in the series.
You can rule out option one because I'm not being antagonistic or spreading misinformation and option 2 is out because I know more about the games than you do which makes you mad.
>Glad we agree Gen 5 is worse than 6.
Even if it was this isn't about gen 5.
>Cool so how do I do streak based triple and rotation battles in gen 5?
>This is like saying XY didn't introduce hordes because ORAS had a trainer horde battle.
At least you admit gen 6 has no content.
>i-it was intended to have less content
you can use this argument for literally all your critiques of XY.
>you can use this argument for literally all your critiques of XY.
NTA but no, XY was very much an incomplete game with so much of its lore going unexplained and the story generally being a mess. Not to mention all of the "dungeons" that were just one room.
> XY was very much an incomplete game with so much of its lore going unexplained
Nope. It was just intended to never have those things.
You can't use that excuse when they clearly meant for there to be more. The datamine and SM confirm this.
> You can't use that excuse when they clearly meant for there to be more
Nope. There was never intended to be more.
Tell that to Eternal Floette.
Zygarde's moves were also in game but unobtainable and the mega Lati
>BW2 is unfinished because of the God Stone
Glad we agree.
God stone was bw1 and they changed it for bw2.
Nice try.
>and they changed it for bw2
Nope.
Yes, yes they did. The God stone was clearly meant to be Kyurem's stone like the black and white stone but it was changed in place of the DNA splicers, while the item still exists in the data we know it wasn't meant to be used.
The same can't be said about Floette which was just thrown away like like the rest of the trash XY was.
> while the item still exists in the data we know it wasn't meant to be used.
So just like Floette. Glad you agree XY is finished and it was intended not to have more.
>So just like Floette
The only problem is that we don't know a thing about Floette. Not to mention XY was the only game to not have an expansion of some kind.
Unless you can find an interview about it or a third version magically pops up, you're out of luck.
>The only problem is that we don't know a thing about Floette
Yes we do. Pay attention to the game.
Development wise anon.
We know it was in the game but it isn't used for anything because XY was woefully unfinished much like SM.
>Development wise anon.
Ok then we don't know what the God Stone is either. Glad we agree BW2 is unfinished.
Yes, we do. We know for a fact that it was related to Kyurem's and was changed when they decided to go with a sequel.
You can't say the same for XY.
But there's no point to this, you've clearly started looping so whatever bot is posting clearly can't continue.
>Yes, we do
No, we don't.
>and was changed when they decided to go with a sequel
[citation needed]
>he needs a citation for B2W2 existing
I can’t help you anon.
BW2 is unfinished because it doesn't use the God Stone. So yes I need a citation.
I can tell you only play the games for competitive because you'd get stomped at smogon.
Huh?
That doesn't even make sense.
If you played at smogon you'd get stomped.
So you play the actual game instead and stomp random kids with your meta teams.
Better?
What does that have to do with with anything?
Your replies indicate that you care about nothing but competitive. Yet, you play the actual games, rather than the proper competitive platform.
Jesus, man, did you have trouble with those "connect the dots" puzzles as a kid or something?
>Your replies indicate that you care about nothing but competitive.
Yes because pokemon is only petting and competitive, there's no collection or exploration to it at all.
The again there wasn't much of that in XY so I'm not surprised you believe that.
The thing with exploration in XY was that routes and areas were either very good, or painfully simple. Shows that they first designed some of them and then rushed the rest. Perfect fix for a 3rd version.
XY had more collecting than any of the games before it (since aside from a full national pokedex of pokemon to collect, all the TMs, items and whatever, you could also collect clothes) and most of the games after it (only SMUSUM match it, everything after was worse in the collecting department).
>The thing with exploration in XY was that routes and areas were either very good, or painfully simple.
Eh, they weren't very good in general. A lot of them didn't have the same kind of nooks and crannies to explore that you would see in gen 1 to 5.
>XY had more collecting than any of the games before it
In terms of pokemon count sure but there were also less methods than ever before making it feel extremely repetitive. You either caught it like normal or transferred, very little hidden areas, roamer were removed and the only optional dungeon with new pokemon was Terminus. It felt more like your hand was being held when you tried to explore the region rather than being able to explore it and find hidden spawn areas like the previous games.
Berry Farming
Interactable battle terrain
PSS
Amie minigames
Hyper Training
Horde battles
Consecutive fishing
Trainer videos
Roller skate tricks
Read the thread.
Most of those are negatives.
They are "negatives" for SwShitstains, who hate games better than their favourite.
>Interactable battle terrain
Loved this shit. Annoyed as hell they dropped it straight after.
inverse battles
There were a lot of good things about XY that felt underexplored or underdeveloped, but nothing could have saved SwSh
SwSh would need a total rework to be decent, that's not something a third version can fix.
That's literally what Platinum did
DP had a lot of merits that were either bogged down by poor execution or rendered unenjoyable by the game's performance
Like SWSH
b-but you dont understand.. i grew up with gen 4 it’s not the same thing…
you have to be moronic to compare gimmick region #3 to DP
You mean "Hoenn and RS but worse" DP?
rs is also shit compared to DP
take your (You)
there is nothing good about swsh
You gays are so annoying. I think an inability to find praiseworthy or positive aspects about media you don't enjoy or hate has to be a mark of low IQ or some kind of mental illness.
there is nothing good about swsh that is unique to swsh (the ability to capture and battle pokemon) or isn't just a default expectation of a AAA console game (the UI is functional and responsive). does that satisfy your reddit pedantry
You're right because the things SWSH did well have already been improved by later games like the Wild Area or were done better in previous games like the angsty rival. It doesn't mean that with more polish the games themselves couldn't have been better and more enjoyable. A game doesn't need to be the peak of its series to be good and enjoyable.
>the things SWSH did well like the Wild Area
Yeah the wild area was done well in the DLC, sorry you didn't play the game. Which btw would be included in the base game in a hypothetical 3rd version
>the wild area was done well in the DLC
What's your point? That it has bad graphics?
that it has bad graphics, that it has bad art direction born from reused handheld assets, that a supposed open world area has absolutely nothing in it that isn't immediately adjacent to the player, that it was sold as dlc
Hey, now, anon, it's not completely empty. There's a tree in the background
Cool, I agree it has bad graphics, and that the overworld Pokémon spawns and item locations were improved in PLA and SV. I'm not a moronic shill for any game and can look at its positives and negatives.
It still has decent level design and more importantly provides a fresh and nice change of pace from the linear story which isn't something other games do. If you want to play a linear campaign you can stick to the Galar story, if you want to play an open world area, you can change to the Isle of Armor at any time during the gym challenge. It's a unique experience not really available in any other game. I agree it would be better if it weren't DLC, good thing we're talking about a hypothetical 3rd version where the DLC would be included.
>It still has decent level design
it is literally open, empty space that does not impede your progress in any way. there is no level design, the only gameplay is catching wild pokemon - which is not unique to swsh
>and nice change of pace from the linear story
sure, that's fair
>which isn't something other games do
absolutely incorrect. gens 1-4 all have optional routes and dungeons to break up the pace of the story, the difference is that they actually have level design. and even gens 5-7 still let you pause the game to go catch wild pokemon if you wanted
I appreciate that you gave an earnest reply but the Wild Area is an incredibly watered-down version of the same gameplay loop Pokemon has been doing for 30 years - it has no merits unique to SwSh. if anything it's more restrictive than older titles since the game prevents you from catching higher-leveled Pokemon despite the gameplay otherwise being the exact same
>Doesn't impede your progress
It impedes your progress in the same way the other wild area in the main game does, by locking areas behind the Rotom Bike's upgrades as you progress through the game.
>absolutely incorrect. gens 1-4 all have optional routes and dungeons to break up the pace of the story
Fair, but you're still playing through ultimately a linear region. You can explore optional areas between point A and B, but outside of some non linearity for a few gyms (a progressively smaller amount of non linearity per generation) you don't really have the freedom to explore basically an entire new fully open subregion outside of gen 2's postgame.
Sounds like Scarlet and Violet, guess this is the future of the franchise.
I think all of the Gen 1-7 games have their own merits and all the rabid shitposting on this board is clearly more about fandom wars than the actual games
I can't believe this is not only an actual game screenshot, it's what Joe chose to promote the DLC with. What an absolute circus of a release cycle lol
>like the Wild Area
bait or moronation, pick one
>DP had a lot of merits
not really
even platinum is still dogshit and is worse than xy
How do make a Secret Base in XY?
Who are you trying to fool exactly?
The only game that's worse than XY is SM. Hell the fricking side mode in XY was making videos, what kind of dumbass thought that was a good idea?
XY was fricking trash, so I guess it could use a third version, don't know if that will help it much.
BW2
Gen 6 was treated as a 3DS tech demo. It had all the foundations to expand on the concepts of Life (X) and Death (Y) and what it means to interput that cycle (with zygarde) as they paralleled a lot of norse mythology. Instead they only focused on mega evolution and threw Zygarde shit into the next gen. Gen 6 needs a third definitive version.
>Gen 6 was treated as a 3DS tech demo
and yet it was more polished than gen 5 and DPPt
This is your brain on HRT
nothing could have saved XY. boring short piss easy shitty soulless games that killed the series.
>literal facebook poll
who the frick cares moron
XY
kalos has exactly 1 fan and it's a schizophrenic shitposter on /vp/ kek
XY. I like the originals, but, a third Zygarde version would spare me to buy UsUm.
SwSh is decent, considering all.
XY is fricking garbage and one of the worst games in the series.
SwSh is really good with DLC
unova fans are the most disingenuous posters on /vp/
they are utterly incapable of actually defending their games
Kalosgays are the worst posters here. They can't even defend their games
When you don’t breed your pokemon to be better I can see why these games are called to be like shit. The next games would benefit getting rid of every QoL in breeding Pokemon has made to grab gold in the battle frontier.
What the frick are you talking about?
XY because it's shit. SwSh can stand on it's own feet.
Kalos is just boring on a fundamental level. Galar's tournament setting is at least a cool base to expand on.
XY just needed more meat on the bones which is what 3rd version were for. SwSh needed a redone base game.
XY, and it's not even a question.
>any 3rd version of SwSh would still have cut moves, no NatDex, permanent Exp.Share
>Pokémon Z would still have the Gen 6 NatDex, Exp on toggle, Triple Battles, all 48 Megas and more
We truly were robbed eh lads
Z could've turned XY from an okay game to a good game.
SWSH cannot be salvaged.
What would a third dog even be? Bow dog?
Spear dog
Spear
People would go for SWSH because it has better new Pokemon, better characters, and far superior charisma. XY is very boring in every way and you can barely tell that it has any personality (it really doesn't).
no third version would have fixed XY being entirely written about a stupid gimmick. would rather eat chalk than sit through any of that dialogue again. SwSh in comparison was only stupid, in fact it was actually kind of fun at times - i'd even call the characters good. it certainly wasn't unbearably obnoxious like XY and the mystery of mega evolution.
People would go for SWSH because most people on this board were 10 years old when it released/it was their first pogeymans game, so they have nostalgia for it.
There was nothing more to be done with SWSH story wise. They could definitely flesh out and polish the region like having the last 2 gyms actually be something but otherwise I don't think it needs a third game since it got DLC.
With Kalos we could have gotten context for what Zygarde actually does and tie up loose ends like eternal flower Floette never getting distributed. They could have also tweaked the controls to be more like ORAS instead of forcing the skates upon you.
XY for sure. They very much suffer from a lot of empty space between you getting your Mega Ring and the end game.
>They very much suffer from a lot of empty space between you getting your Mega Ring and the end game
where
Definitely XY. SwSh literally got their third version because that's what DLC basically is.