Why are modern devs scared of themed UIs?

Why are modern devs scared of themed UIs?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why are Devs scared of skeumorphic UIs? The answer is the same, minimalist garbage is easier to read and make.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The answer is not the same. Skeumorphism relies on association with real world objects or actions. If this association fails because there is no real world representation or the end user does not know what the ui element represents, skeumorphism becomes a deterrence to user experience.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    themed UIs require high resolution textures that can be read and scaled at different resolutions like 4K
    material minimalist design is easier to scale

    if they had good UI/UX designers we could still get good themed designs but you know how it is

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    UIs are mostly planned either by designers trained with phone touch screen principles or by engineer brained devs who have no idea how normal non-autistic people want to browse menus and organize information.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because making one takes artistry and effort

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is what it comes down to. They don't want artists. They want to have anyone able to generate anything needed.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Modern UI dev came for web design, not from an art school.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They are following the recent trend of flat logo design

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bottom looks better

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why are you gay?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You have shit taste

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      begone zoomoid

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Later homo

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's with the blue bags of kush?

    Also
    >tfw you realize it won't have the original sfx for menu, moving and picking up items, reading, box breaking, "go hitler"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You know damn well they will add the original OST and sound effects in the options menu like they did with the RE2 remake

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Meat icons
    Goddamn it, it's gonna have the upgrade system from 8 isn't it?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I GOT SOME CHOICE DELI SELECTIONS FOR YA, STRANGER.

      AH, I'LL FRY IT FOR A HIGH PRICE

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >crafting ammo
    zzzzz

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Contemporary devs never had to think about stylistic choices because they aren't people who want to make video games, they are people paid to make video games. They will do the bare minimum and move on to the next assembly line remake.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't take UI advice from Ganker when they praise garbage like this.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Name one thing wrong

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Everything.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        its kind of busy but certainly manageable

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That looks fun though.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      At least it's not bad, it's just missing Leon.

      Soul

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >At least it's not bad, it's just missing Leon.
        wtf are you talking about it's missing 80% of the texture, the background is just a transparent black screen

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes I'm glad they removed the worst part. Those textures feels really random in the original.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Takes a ton of work and nowadays everything is mass produced garbage.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    UIs are typically scaled back and minimalist now considering screen burn in. A lot of games will even have the UI turn off when not in use.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They probably just didn’t want to bother loading up another entirely rendered model of Leon, which would slow down opening the menu or something

    They still should’ve done it though

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why does bottom look like its made for a vertical phone screen? all that wasted space. when will NPCs admit that everything is getting worse instead of just saying 'le every generation says that ;)' it's still true.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      every generation says that

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wonder if it's so it can scale for resolutions and they were too stupid to make something properly vectored

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah its bad but at least its not as bad as this.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why do all of them look like they were made with smartphones in mind?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I imagine game studios have a lot of "UX designers" and "UX researchers" who come from Web dev and brought their retarded design philosophies with them

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What is wrong with UX?
          https://lawsofux.com/

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I like how Horizon: Zero Dawn and Spider-Man are on here despite not even fitting the criteria. It's an outfit menu, retard. They have to preview it before you put it on.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I like how you seethe and pretend to know what the criteria is, lmfao.

        Stay mad, moron.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why do you use reddit spacing?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >see character
      >see items
      >colors reflect the game's color pallette
      So they're just like in the OP.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      These are okay for all futuristic cybershit games but if you put one of these in fantasy, Viking or tacticool games then you deserve a bullet.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >"Ugh, all this UI is filtering me from enjoying this experience, it should be minimalistic as fuck to give me a proper enjoyment of the game"
    >Goes minimalistic or removes HUD/UI entirely
    >"Noooo, theres no HUD for this game, therefore it has no soul. It should have a HUD/UI that integrates well into the world or setting or else I'm not playing it".

    See how retarded you morons sound?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You mean how retarded your made up strawman who yells shit no one here has said sounds?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Everyone think's Deadspace's Hud is sick and you are insane to think otherwise

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I never asked for UIs to be minimalistic

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Retard strawman.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      goddamn you are one stupid morongay

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >dumbfuck doesnt know the difference between UI and hud

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they hated him because he told the truth

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Find a single post that ever asked for what you’re suggesting. This won’t even be hard if you actually try, but you won’t.

      Therefore I win, and you’re retarded.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    that's a long ass 1911

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because skueomorphism isn't trendy anymore. There has been a gradual shift away from pure flap UIs at least, gradients and drop shadows have started to make a come-back in some UI design.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The people that used to make old UIs were replaced by retarded college kids with a "degree".
    This soulless shit with zero style or cohesion is the result.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Modern UI's have to suck because the game has to be scaleable in case the game gets rereleased.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >game takes place in 2004 Spain
    >pesetas were no longer the official currency in the country by then as they had adpoted the euro already
    huh?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they're in the middle of the sticks

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >backwoods cult hasn't switched over to the new global currency

      Not that surprising.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, you can’t use a currency if the country the currency belongs to doesn’t use the currency anymore

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the scottish still have their own stupid currency, we are supposed to accept it in england but most pakis in the cornershops don't understand and the scots get to have a little moan, and we still have the pound despite being in europe for a while

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well yeah, if it didn’t happen while you were in the EU, it sure as hell won’t happen afterwards

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair its only been 2 years since the Euro was adopted in spain apparently. By then Salazar already had his hooks in the place. Also I dont know how you Euros handle a currency shift but I assume theres a period of time where both are legal currency but all given money is in Euros before eventually the old currency is no longer accepted. Actually who prints the Euros and is in control of amount in circulation and what not? I guess I should do some reading.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well the shift was pretty quick even though it was voluntarily (but not really because the central bank changed to euro and it was clear that this will be the new currency). I mean, theoretically it wouldn’t have worked if in a country all people and stores didn’t change it themselves but there was just no reason for it.
        So what I mean is that there was no cutoff point where the currency wasn’t valid anymore. In Germany for example there are still some stores that accept the old mark and some 12 billion euro worth of mark are still in circulation in Germany’s economy.
        But practically most places to pay at wouldn’t accept the mark really quickly because it was just so easy and quick to exchange it to euro at the local bank. I’m talking like two months afterwards basically everyone, who didn’t live under a rock, had their cash in euro instead.

        Btw the european central bank and the various national banks print the euro

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So my couple of envelopes with a few hundred francs and marks are still legal tender? Neat. So what happens if a nation decides to do a "little" printing to save their economy? Can a nation like italy just turn on the brr machines or does the EU central bank tell them no even if it would fuckin kill that nations economy?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well it’s not that easy and I’m no expert on it but I can tell you that all the nations banks work pretty closely together within the eurozone under the central bank in frankfurt.
            And since their economies are tied to the euro they can’t really fail that hard since the entire eurozone will take the hit and spread it out over the entire zone. Which is obviously an argument against the euro by countries with a strong economy and an argument for the euro by countries with a weaker economy. Famously greece was saved by the strong economies of Western Europe, otherwise things would’ve been much worse. Though that can also be seen as a negative example from for example Germany’s perspective as they sort of "dumped" billions upon billions into greece without really getting anything ever back but it was deemed necessary for european stability, cohesion and greece being the cradle for western civilization and democracy etc. (even though modern and ancient greece are completely different but whatever).
            Anyway, so since the EU is nothing by itself but the collaboration of its members, saving an economy, especially one as important as italy, would be in the interest of the EU as well. Ideally of course they pursue economic strategies that would prevent a depression in the first place but if it came to that they would find some way to alleviate the recession with the economic power of the entire EU to lessen the effects. Of course an economic downturn in one country would affect all in the EU, even something as comparatively minuscule as greeces economy wasn’t just nothing.
            And yeah, the marks officially still exists, but is de facto out of service almost anywhere. It’d be hard to find a place to pay with it but it would theoretically be possible. But you could still to this day just walk to any german bank and exchange your mark for euro if you wanted.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Top: Soul
    Bottom: Soulless

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is the text so tiny

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because we don’t have resolutions of 256x224 anymore grandpa

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    wow talk about soul vs soulless does the devil personally run this company or something?

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hate Ganker obsession with unique but shit UI like in Dept Heaven games. Minimalism isn't the problem; it is lazy minimalism.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why are modern devs scared of themed UIs?
    1) There's the issue of portability. Yeah, old game UIs were intricate and had soul, but they were typically designed around low-res 4:3 monitors and often end up looking blurry and stretched on modern monitors. Nowadays even console games need to take into account that UIs should be legible for both 1080p and 4K, which you can't just do using the old method of 2D textures because of the following.

    2) There's the issue of performance. As display resolutions get higher, 2D textures for the UI get exponentially larger and relatively more expensive to load into memory/render on screen than it was the average 00's game texture running on average 00s hardware, especially now that 2D textures must take 4K into account. Considering this, it's more performant and portable to use vector graphics for UI design (since vector graphics are essentially math equations that calculate shapes and colors rather than a huge list of pixel colors like most traditional image formats are), but one drawback of vector graphics is that they perform worse the more complex the shapes they have to render are.

    3) The fact remains that modern UIs do have a better user experience in terms of responsiveness, navigability and readability compared to your average stylized UI. Yeah, it's all "best practices", but those "best practices" are there for a reason. Take the OP's screenshot for example, in the original RE4 menu all the upper tabs are spread evenly across the top while the inventory itself (the main attraction) is 70% on the left and its description is all the way on the bottom. Your eyes have to move all over the place to get all information, and it's very intuitive. In the modern menu, every relevant element is aligned to the center and easily caught in one up-down motion. Tabs are compressed into intuitively understandable icons you can all see at once rather than labels that are spread across the entire width of the screen.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >TL;DR: Portability, budget and better user experience
      No offense but this is all bullshit. You can still have UI that scale up well, most AAA games spend their budget on meaningless shit, and only retards get filtered about UI. Look at pic related, it's still has a modern UI design in some ways but at least it's thematically appropriate to the game. If some kickstarter indieshit can do it, then all these AAA trash have no excuse.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      1 and 2 can both be solved somewhat with the same vectorized fonts we use all the time and don't explain why every UI is now in the starkest angular white typeface with zero theming or personality.

      3 is a symptom of this absolute "accessibility" cancer that teaches that games must have absolutely zero friction at all times because, like

      A lot of it also has to do with the fact that games aren't escapist anymore. They're something of a chore to grind through and exist largely for you to stream or play while you're on Discord.

      says, you're just supposed to passively thumb through the game while you stream or watch YouTube or whatever.

      I want my map to look like a map. I want my inventory space to look cluttered. I want there to be friction in the menu to emphasize the more important points of gameplay. I don't want something I'm doing for fun to be hyper optimized to the point that it's indistinguishable from productivity software.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >2) There's the issue of performance
      Oh so NOW devs give a fuck about optimizing and performance? Bullshit. They'll spend tons of resources rendering beard hair on women but making a stylish UI? Oh that's just too much

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >rendering beard hair on women
        give an example

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous
          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Isn't that from a cutscene that was prerendered though...? Rendered cutscenes are gonna have 0 impact on performance of a game. Go back as far as warcraft 3 cutscenes and you'll see games always had pretty solid pre-rendered cutscenes that didn't take away from development of other features since its a totally different department that handles that.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >3) The fact remains that modern UIs do have a better user experience in terms of responsiveness, navigability and readability compared to your average stylized UI.

      funny you should say that, I had a video recommended to me on youtube about modern UIs and the guy was shitting on them for being side scrolly UIs (i think these are called linear lists?), not presenting enough information, taking longer than needed to find what you're looking for etc

      he also shits on them for being soulless and not gelling with the themes of the games

      pretty decent video, worth a watch if you don't play these kinds of modern shooter/lootbox games and want to see how bad things have gotten:

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >UI
    ummm it's UX now sweaty, you're on the wrong side of history

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I prefer the top but I also don't understand what I'm supposed to be angry about here.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's a minor thing, but it's really a shame. Modern in-game inventory UIs, title screens, menus, etc all look sterile and soulless. They've basically all just become tiled bullshit like windows 8 metro shit. Presumably because it's an easy default canvas to populate with constant ads for new DLC microtransactions and such.

    It's gotten worse over the years, but it's not even a new thing. Compare the UI in morrowind and oblivion to skyrim's boring sterile white outlined black boxes with bold impact font

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It's gotten worse over the years, but it's not even a new thing. Compare the UI in morrowind and oblivion to skyrim's boring sterile white outlined black boxes with bold impact font
      I feel like Skyrim is where it all started.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not sure if it was the first, but it was definitely one of the first notable instances. There may have been other examples of this "style" of plain boring UI beforehand, but it was probably only in stuff like Battlefield or CoD where it didn't really matter much anyway. But in Skyrim it was just bizarre having some kind of weird unstyled minimalist UI in a high fantasy game series. Made zero sense.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          asscreed games also had the sterile UI thing going on early

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It was by design, you're supposed to be working for a soulless megacorp, remember?
            The fucking irony is that now it's being used in every AAAshit game because they're megacorps themselves.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Sure, thematically it made sense that the UI was based on their futuristic corporate memory machine thing. But the end result was still that you had a bland sterile UI in games taking place in historical themed settings. And I think this helped pave the way for an increase in boring UIs that didn't mesh with their games' settings.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think Asscreed paved the way, Apple and mobile did that.
                Most UI designers are taken straight from mobileshit and AAA is filled with deadlines so low effort minimalist shit is the norm.

                >see character
                >see items
                >colors reflect the game's color pallette
                So they're just like in the OP.

                >Only colors matter
                You're braindead son

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not sure if it was the first, but it was definitely one of the first notable instances. There may have been other examples of this "style" of plain boring UI beforehand, but it was probably only in stuff like Battlefield or CoD where it didn't really matter much anyway. But in Skyrim it was just bizarre having some kind of weird unstyled minimalist UI in a high fantasy game series. Made zero sense.

        I feel that they ape post-HL2 shooter HUD minimalism (which is a good thing), but then proceed to make inventory, statscreens and shitton of markers on the screen, thus missing the point of minimalism.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A lot of it also has to do with the fact that games aren't escapist anymore. They're something of a chore to grind through and exist largely for you to stream or play while you're on Discord.

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like that kind of inventory

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Grid inventory is nice, but as a whole prey gui is a disaster.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Scaling. You've got to support people on 480p TVs all the way up to those with 32:9 ultrawides.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What is a font file.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Fonts scale, yes, but you also have to scale the actual UI elements. I'm not sure if Scaleform is even still used for this.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's really depressing. I also hate that the Remake doesn't seem to have a laser sight.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That fucking REboot is nothing but a RE8 asset flip
      They don't even have leafs covering the ground or grime and cracks on the walls.
      It's so fucking low effort

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm hoping some of this is cleaned up by release but I'm doubtful since it's so close.

        The laser pointer was hailed as one of the best things in RE4 and they just dont have it? I mean maybe im going senile but didnt the 2 and 3 remakes have a laser pointer attachment for some guns? Doesnt seem like theres any good reason for it to be missing.

        They haven't shown or mentioned a laser as far as I'm aware. The thing with the RE4 UI is that even though they were clearly menus, they felt interactive and physical, and that extended to the laser. It really sucks they dropped it.

        As for RE2/3, not to my knowledge, and certainly nothing that changes the actual in-game aiming display. I think some guns have red dot sights but that just increases the gun's stats, it doesn't change anything about how you aim.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >asset flip
        most games are, why spend a shit ton of money and time making new shit

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >most games are
          And some do it well, this one does not
          RE8 had more effort put into the level art design than this and that also reused plenty from RE7.

          Both disappointing mediocre games at the end of the day though.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The laser pointer was hailed as one of the best things in RE4 and they just dont have it? I mean maybe im going senile but didnt the 2 and 3 remakes have a laser pointer attachment for some guns? Doesnt seem like theres any good reason for it to be missing.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah some guns had lassers with more accuracy. Maybe the lasser will be an upgrade that allow you to see leon's breath and being able to shoot more accurately

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Laser Sight is in the game, but you gotta buy the upgrade.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          this is fucking stupid why would you buy a laser sight, you already have a reticle?
          RE4 only had a laser sight without any floating aiming reticles that's the point
          this is dog shit straight out of RE6

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think is fair to compare the first inventory with the completely upgraded one. I like that in the remake it still looks like a suitcase but Idk how to feel with the insane amounts of unused space :/

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Uhh, because design school taught me a very specific way to design my UI for MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY, both for time management and ease of use. So doing anything different is OBJECTIVELY bad.

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >UI looks like this
    I will now buy and play your game.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Folklore was such a great game. It's truly criminal that it didn't get a proper sequel to expand on it. And Ellen a cute.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Folklore needs a remaster, then sequels. Such a soulful game.

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Demo when

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    sovl

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just because the bottom one is unbelievably boring doesn't mean the top one still isn't fuck ugly.

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >giant fucking black box that isn't stylized like a foam holder that also lets the lines show through
    Fuck UX """designers""" and fuck lowest common denominator accessibility garbage. WHERES THE SOVL

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It takes longer than ((generic material UI))

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bottom is the same as top except that it's sleek, readable and straightforward.

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