Why does xiv not have a large player base as WoW when their is little to no toxicity in xiv?
Why does xiv not have a large player base as WoW when their is little to no toxicity in xiv?
Why does xiv not have a large player base as WoW when their is little to no toxicity in xiv?
XIV has hostile feminine, histrionic toxicity. The average player has the same energy as a BPD woman.
>Vacuum blowjob face
Now these are mods I can get behind
fpbp
7 years+ player, quit before Endwalker came out and this is 100% true. They won't call you a homosexual like in League, but they will try to bait you into saying something they can report you for. For fricking weeks on end.
also true
this is bullshit.
You do get "gear" (ilvl increase) but you're not allowed to use that gear in any content other than the raid you got it from. All other content will sync your ilvl down, so there's no difference between a crafted gear guy and a 99% raider, outside of parsing in said raid.
None of that gear carries over to the next tier either, new crafted set will immediately replace it.
>You do get "gear" (ilvl increase) but you're not allowed to use that gear in any content other than the raid you got it from. All other content will sync your ilvl down, so there's no difference between a crafted gear guy and a 99% raider, outside of parsing in said raid.
Not entirely true although I do agree that raiding for the sake of gearing and not glamours are pretty shit
Everything of that tier is not synced down. The Dungeon, Trials, Alliance Raid, Ultimate and Criterion Dungeon all allow you to use the current shit at the full potential
At the end of the day the gear is there to flex but I couldn't give a shit about AFKing in Limsa and want to progress and clear with my group
>Raiding for the thrill of it, not because of a carrot on a stick ilvl gearmill
BASED
This solo instance is great because it reveals how audio cues would make every encounter better instead of just having a cast bar.
I really enjoyed it, and MGS Thancred, and want more.
That's why I raid.
The challenge is nice. Truth be told I wouldn't give a shit if the first three bosses of a tier gave nothing and the last was a glamour unlock for clearing
Legitimately looking forward to the conclusion of this raid series and Golbez Extreme
Yes, we see how well that works with Criterion, content that was made EXPLICITLY for raid troons.
Criterion sucks
Raid troons did it or skipped it because there is literally nothing
>The Dungeon, Trials, Alliance Raid, Ultimate and Criterion Dungeon all allow you to use the current shit at the full potential
I don't know if this is a change they made in Endwalker, but unless they changed something you are mistaken. Your gear gets synced down for anything that isn't the current Ultimate. I'm not sure about EX Trials, but those are never difficult or relevant content, they literally ship with outdated drops compared to crafted.
Unless it's the latest EX, all the others sync you down
>Your gear gets synced down for anything that isn't the current Ultimate
Nothing I've seen so far this expansion beyond Ultimates and Dungeons is limiting your ilvl
>They won't call you a homosexual like in League
If you try to call someone a homosexual in league these days you get banned lil bro, argument invalid.
>they will try to bait you into saying something they can report you for
Just because you're a sperg and want to call every other person a homosexual/Black person/troony/etc. doesn't mean that someone is trying to "bait" you into doing it, you're just a child with spermotoxicosis.
Also
>this take on gear progression
>7 years+ player
You genuinely make shit up for no reason on anonymous imageboard.
>XIV has hostile feminine, histrionic toxicity. The average player has the same energy as a BPD woman.
basically this, and it's especially funny because you can see it on full display in this thread as well. Bunch of catty wine aunts
>implying you have ever seen a woman
1. You have to play through literally hundreds of hours of anime-tier storyline before you reach the actual MMORPG bits
2. The playerbase is "nice" on the surface but is actually really cliquey and passive-aggressive. is completely correct.
3. The gameplay just feels worse. I don't know why exactly, but it just feels worse to control and play.
I'd recommend it to anyone who enjoys JRPGs for a run through to see the story, but it's really obvious why it lacks the retention of other MMORPGs.
1. a great anime-tier (actually Final Fantasy but whatever) storyline
2. most of the people are nice. like in every group, there are always bad apples
3. yeah the base gameplay is ass. first thing I hope they fixed, but the servers are ass, they are Japanese making a PC game, it's also a console game, so not holding my breath
just to add why the base combat feels so bad: animation locks, forced movement, a latency so horrible that people actually call it "slide casting"
Last i checked Slide casting was intentional or at least they liked it enough to keep it since the beta. You my fren needa live in a country that does not have servers in or near it.
XIV is the only game where horrible lag is actually a feature and I don't know whether to cry or laugh.
The remaining trannies still playing the dead game have no standards anymore, so lag and the worst netcode imaginable are features
Sunk cost is hell of a drug
I dunno use to be on 200+ ping and it was ass back then but now im under 60 and it just feels like free movement to me not lag
Honestly just dont play on NA the toxic goes down by like 60%
>it's really obvious why it lacks the retention of other MMORPGs
"Retention" in the way you're talking about is an outdated concept which no MMO has anymore. XIV being friendly to pick-up-and-drop cycles gives it more zoomer and casual buy-in, and that's pretty much necessary nowadays to keep the servers running. The audience for aggressive always-stay-subbed content cycles has been dwindling for years, and neither WoW nor XIV are in a good position to deal with that.
Yeah the engagement based retention shit of WoW is what killed it along with the trash story. Sneedolands literally killed the game
no gear progression
the only thing you get from raids is a weapon with particle effects
What?
You literally get full armor and accessory sets from raids, with the chest piece and main hand weapon only dropping from the hardest one.
Which one drops is random, but you also get a currency once per week you can spend to outright buy your gear piece.
There's also an alternate Best in Slot gear piece for every slot except the weapon that has a different set of secondary stats that you need to buy with currency that drops from doing expert roulette or 24 man raids, and upgrade materials for these currency gears drops either from the savage raid or once a week from the 24 man raids later in the tier,
A perfect team with a lucky drop rate can clear week 1 with crafted gear with overmelded materia and complete the tier in just 12 weeks if they get most of their gear from drops.
You don't have any idea what gear progression actually means and it's sad.
Tell him sister. Zivvies will never know what REAL gear progression is like opening your epic weekly vault and getting +2 ilvl every week. Number must always go up.
>Number must always go up.
That's literally what XIV """gear progression""" is. It's shit. Gear may as well not exist in FFXIV.
Now THIS is gear progression
>im still being posted here
pic is whatever, got my whetstone at 91 and enjoyed the trip. replaced the thing 2 weeks later, since it wasnt my bis, i just wanted it
You prefer it after stewing in the septic tank or just straight out of the toilet?
>enjoyed running the same dungeon at least 91 times
That's the very definition of being a mazed rat
it isn't, im just not a welfare homosexual an
d i detest things being given out for free
i came (to wow), i saw (the trinket), i conquered (the runs to get the trinket)
what happens between me and my goal is imperceptible to me because goals are to be conquered, not complained at until they no longer become goals
>Gear may as well not exist in FFXIV
I firmly believe they should eliminate gearing and leveling entirely and just make everything glam from now on.
Do you actually have any interesting arguments on how they could make gearing fun?
unironically borrowed power... or adding trinkets. At this point, gearing up it's just wasting time either grinding tomestones or having a good group to do current savage tier which both options are repetitive and not exactly fun. Even if you get a higher ilvl gear you don't do something extremely different from when you had lower ilvl gear at that same level. You only get it because it's a requirement to do whatever comes next for PVE...
>borrowed power
Borrowed power is shit and would make the story shit, MSQ Ultima Weapon was shit because of it
>"Oh no Imma die"
>hydaelyn helps you live :^)
With trinkets you're just moving the goalpost, now you're farming either a god-trinket or crafting the best one and discarding the others as they are not as strong
maybe set bonuses? They did it with Grand Company gear, why can't they do something like that for raiding gear? Or even material combination bonuses with specific sets which give more stats if you have 2/3/4/etc specific materia melded on a gearpiece?
>unironically borrowed power.
You mean one of the things that everyone hated in WoW?
No thanks.
still they wanted to farm for that in wow for years. that means they did have some fun with it...
Mazers aren't in the maze because they want to be trapped in it.
They're literally prisoners to their addiction.
>says the troony chained to a dead game because he bought a virtual house
>say the pakki with a mortgage
NTA but pretty sure auto-demolish has been dead for more than a year at this point. Kind of annoying as I'm trying to get rid of a medium plot now I have a large.
Isn't this really gonna be the first time we don't have "borrowed power" anyway? Or one of the few. Most of the shit before we either relied on the blessing of light, the echo or the bad guy being severely limited (Bahamut Prime, Alexander Prime, that sorta thing).
This feels like the time they should be exploring and expanding on the WoL's innate martial prowess and power.
Based cutscene skipper completely ignoring the numerous times we are presented with the explicitly clear premise that WoL's power is their own and they can repeatedly defy all odds with no outside help whatsoever.
No I know there are multiple cases of us displaying our power, that's not in dispute. Why do you think I didn't mention Omega at the very least? It just feels like, with mommy crystal dead, it'd be a good time to really chase down that thread.
I'd never skip cutscenes, I fricking love them, but I joined in 2014 so I don't remember absolutely everything nor do I want to write a blog about it.
We never borrowed power, Hydaelyn's protection was ultimately just Dynamis. She only ever directly intervened against Ultima, and the Endsinger fight was an explicit callback to this, showing that the Scions, having all just learned how to manipulate Dynamis, can do the same protective shield of light shit.
The future of our power growth is going to come from learning to better harness Dynamis. Mommy's death isn't a power loss, it's the limiters being removed.
>The future of our power growth is going to come from learning to better harness Dynamis.
That's not gonna last long if we end up absorbing our 13th shard.
Though a plot about how WoL can't rely on limit breaks as well as before could be interesting.
>if we end up absorbing our 13th shard
I don't know why people are so adamant about this happening or even want it to happen. Ardbert rejoining with us was a resolution to his character arc while we were at death's door; the power boost was secondary to the narrative impact. Unless our 13th shard is in some similar situation where rejoining is a last resort option before one or both of us are about to die, the natural conclusion is that they would live on as their own individual, a concept that the story has been beating over our heads for years now.
One vital piece of information that escaped you is that the current writer is fricking awful and can't even keep his own OC's ruleset straight.
Because if we find out who our shard is, then the most obvious reason for it would be that the story aims for us to absorb them. It's set up and delivery 101. It might also be a red herring or subverting expectations, but also might not.
>the most obvious reason for it would be that the story aims for us to absorb them
I don't know why you think this is "obvious" when the game has repeatedly emphasized the importance of not being tethered to the past and that being a unique individual is more important than the duty of your station. Even if we end up doing it as some last resort option for a power boost, that would be an incredibly dissatisfying deus ex machina. The better outcome is we save the 13th and send our counterpart off to lead the charge on restoring the world.
You said it yourself. Having our shard around represents the possibility of getting a power boost at any point. In any story if you have a hero, a villain, and another character who can sacrifice themselves to give the hero a power boost, then the obvious assumption everyone is going to make is that the story will play out in a way that makes it happen.
Fair enough, no arguments! Though I still wish mommy didnt have to die.
First step is making classes feel fun again. Once you have this very basic step you can worry about gearing.
Depending on who you ask the answer will be different. If you ask a raid troon:
>the most important part is that the gear is exclusive, hard to get and stands out. I legit want only the top.5% of players be able to attain it. That'd be really fun! Oh and the next tier of gear should only be obtainable if you have the pervious one, that way I can gatekeep other people with my discord servers, since no one else will do that content.
based, I do want to gatekeep others. Also that will improve my chance on selling carries so whales can get that exclusive gear!
It would take a complete restructuring of how classes and fights work. It's just not going to happen.
The moment you try to change anything and allow for some actual RPG elements and gameplay expression to shine through, all content in the game will immediately be irreparably broken.
As an example of this, look at Eureka.
My team was EU 2nd in clearing Ozma, at one point the Warriors in our group figured out they could use Warrior's cheat death ability and a combination of suicide-attacks from the memes to absolutely destroy Ozma before the first succ.
The moment they added something actually fun and that engages your brain to put the puzzle pieces together, the final encounter that made all of us sweat buckets became nothing. granted, those mems were too expensive to ask our Warriors to do that on every clear so we didn't do it more than twice, but you get the idea about the game's structure being incompatible with fun.
>but people might think of creative solutions to problems!
Oh no...?
that's the point I'm making. The game isn't structured to deal with players having any kind of freedom when it comes to building their character or tackling problems creatively.
If you allow them those tools, the game simply breaks. You might as well give people a /kill console command.
This is why there's no chance of it ever getting better or more fun, I left some time after I had that realization and it stewed a bit.
Just saying, to this day rajas ring is still a respectable piece if you want to do some early end game to prog other gear. Like honestly say you just started and you wanted to play COR or something and wanted to dip your toes in ambu and you came to me looking for help sporting it I would gladly let you in just for those sweet buffs and the fact that the ring can help you melee DD at that stage, nice for getting ws out quick, ideally sb when you build your ambu sword. Anyway rajas used to be a b***h to get, but now it just requires you to sit back and enjoy a good story. Does ffxiv have an equivalent to rajas ring? because last time i played the only thing I could do was some shitty raid for 5 more ilvl on my stupid glowing weapon.
Most obvious shilling I have ever seen on this board. Kys xivtroon
False
literal fabricated post
XIV surpassed wow in player numbers years ago, not sure what outdated information you're basing this off of
>XIV surpassed wow in player numbers years ago
Source?
Discord
WoW stopped having gear progression long ago, people will skip several +keys and raids in order to gear up, there's cartchups and unless you consider M+ bloat content good content then its no wonder. Even in Classic, people skipped a lot of content so they could raid whatever season they were in. Gear progression as a whole, is poorly done in both games but WoW gives you a false option and it even has the mechanics for it
waiting for next mmo final fancy
inbetween major expansions there's just not a lot to do.. unlike WoW where you make alts because your class is locked to your char, XIV you do everything on 1 char and then you're done waiting for the next drip of content and once that is done you're back to waiting
it's literally 10 times as popular
the creepy groomer trannies in mentor chat are a massive turn off and usually the only contact with the playerbase a new player will have for a very long time because the game is entirely set up to be anti-social otherwise.
I'd rather have had groomers, my experience with NN was insufferable redditors who would kick you for talking about the game or making lalafell jokes
t. exodus
Knowing the artist of that image, this might be one of the few instances where the mentards were in the right for getting rid of you.
Clothed male lalas? That's the hill you're choosing to die on?
Stop playing dumb, the artist is an obvious shotacon. I have no reason to believe your version of events so I'm guessing you accidentally revealed your power level and disgusted everyone in the linkshell.
I dunno anon, that's just one pic, seems cherry-picked
I would need to see several more to know if they were really some kind of degenerate
There is a pixiv filename in the post I replied to, that should be more than enough for you to easily find the source.
>play wow
>refuse to group with gnomes cause they are lame and tell them so
>read ff14
>refuse to play with midgets because they are lame
>get banned
I just want to be a mentor but these homosexuals just fill it up and talk about themselves while helping no actual newbies.
>groomer trannies
alright, these words are being WAY overused these days to the point of approaching becoming useless buzzwords. actually use them when they make sense, jesus
You can find it first hand almost any day it's not a buzzword. There are tons of Discord groomers on xiv who are in fact also troonys
I will always shill XIV here but novice network is one thing I'm never willing to defend it's actually the worst place on the internet for a new player and I wish there was an actual GM to moderate them
The problem is that they let the player moderate itself.
So NN turned into some sort of Worldchat for burgercrown, instead of helping new players
I wanted to mentor real bad, soon as I was added to mentor network I was beyond disgusted. Now I do it without the BK crown. The crown is always an identifier of a shitter.
idk, I was trying out pso2 and lost ark in between patches, those are actually anti social games. xiv puts you in group content pretty early. All the starting areas are still incredibly populated etc.
it's just a bad game built on a shitty engine that runs like molasses
If you are not into troony ERP/modbeasting, there is just very little to do
One savage tier every 8 months or 1-2 ultimates per expansion just isn't enough
Go play WoW then. Tigole catered it specifically for you so you're not allowed to complain.
I don't play because I hate gays trannies pedos groomers furries and gayhags which seems to be the demographic
Does that answer your question?
WoW had one of the biggest marketing pushes of all time. XIV by comparison jusr has word of mouth, streamer shilling, and some online ads. WoW had every form of marketing you could think of aimed at all demographics. Shit was wild.
GOLBEZ IS AZDAJA GOLBEZ IS AZDAJA.
Golbez is Azdaja and Azdaja is Diabolos.
ROUND 4 homie.
>Diabolos gays still in denial
Bet you also still think lavos is gonna be in the game.
No one will be as delusional as Lavos gays.
illberd trancers are. they got buck broke over the 80 dungeon.
>WHY IS HE IN THERE? HE WON!?!?
Ilberd won.
trancer.
*dancer
gamers are just all over the place that's all
wow is just an old addiction so it has all that power
Because SE takes all of 14's profits and puts it into other games instead of improving 14
Getting real sick of you nightclub Black folk shouting and promoting your gay bullshit every 5 minutes in whatever fricking zone I happen to be fishing in.
I am morbidly curious about these things
Are they actually populated? When they say "hiring servers/dancers" do people actually sign up for that? I just feel like if I indulged my curiosity and went to see one, it would be one guy sitting alone in his house jumping at the chance to ERP with anyone
these clubs are always streamed for the music so you can look that up.
usually they just afk with some dance turned on. its extremely lame.
I'm so fricking sick of this shit. It's gotten to the point now where most of the time they're doing 3-4 fricking shout messages every time. I even saw someone do it at the end of a hunt train the other day. I've started reporting them because I'm so tired of it but I feel like I'm just plugging a hole in a dam with my finger. I wish they would crack down on this shit, we shouldn't have an entire chat channel be rendered unusable by fricking advertisements, but until it affects the japanese players I guess we're just fricked.
There is nothing much left to do. On the other hand FFXIV never had normal RP. It was always somekind of nightlife ERP for social outcasts.
Transgenderism is promoted and celebrated every where, Hollywood, politics, major corporations, they are basically a protected class every where.
"Social outcasts" simply doesn't compute, most of those rp parties are exclusively "LGBTQIA+", there are even Free Companies who only accept LGBTQIA+ members, some discord channels were even advertising for "Spanish speaking only DRS and BA" runs.
What you gonna do about it? Thats right. Nothing.
i just report them for advertising erp in public channels
i also block the spammer and add the fc they're in to a txt document of blacklisted fc's
i kinda got lazy with it recently and stopped adding to it though
Nobody wants to play some uninspired chinkshit when soulful alternatives exist
>little to no toxicity in xiv?
They have a toxic moderation and people that will report you while being passive aggressive and trying to bait you into getting banned, not to mention the amount of cheaters in that game.
>take a break
>some more ffxiv servers are now congested
>wow latest expansion got a free trial
Did I miss something? I thought XIV was dying while WoW was booming
Several servers moved to congested 2 months ago when I quit.
The servers they want people to move to and have bonus exp and a lot of housing plots available are basically dead and you have to server hop to other servers in order to play side content like deep dungeons, eureka and bozja.
They are also not great on the raid department either, business days there are already not many players, the schedules are usually built around the wageslave hours in North America and Europe.
>XIV was dying while WoW was booming
Oh man you've got 13 years worth of catching up to do, welcome back from the coma
Every metric shows that WoW is still more popular even though it's the least popular it has ever been.
But you're just going to post mentally ill cope since that's all femra shitters can be expected to do.
>Every metric shows that WoW is still more popular even though it's the least popular it has ever been.
WoW will be 20 years old next year and it's still big for the current times but nothing compared to the 12 million active subs of 2010.
It's sad for the whole genre that a 19 years old game is still strong.
Wow allows players to pay for the monthly fee with gold, which isn't hard to do, you can grind for the gold enough to buy a token in less than a week.
In Final Fantasy XIV even if it was possible to pay for the monthly fee with gil, farming gil there is very hard, unless you're lucky with the mount drops on deep dungeons, which, again, require other 3 people to run it with you for optimal hoard numbers. Or if you're REALLY into crafting, but some crafting require you to spend a lot of gil in order to start on it.
People say "Well, you can do treasure maps!", some of the materials from maps aren't worth that much, you can maybe sell housing items, but again, those fluctuate massively.
Most of the gil you will make will either come from mount farms or popular glamours.
The truth of the matter is, if you're no-lifing Final Fantasy XIV, you run out of content pretty quickly.
topkek. cope harder. There is more than enough content in FFXIV. Old content is viable through relic grind of later xpacs which is a good way to do old content again, you can farm countless of pets and mounts, triple triad, etc.
cope harder wow homosexual
>FFXIV player gets so offended at being reminded there's nothing to do in the game besides modbeast and AFK that he starts sputtering random meme words mixed in with "j-just do le old content".
KEKYPOW. The nuXIV playerbase are just blizzdrone cultists who found a new addiction.
So? We like it that way. FFXIV is still the best MMO, and is still better than WoW. If you don't like the way things are you can just go elsewhere. Meanwhile we'll keep having fun hanging out AFK while playing other games.
>and is still better than WoW
>Meanwhile we'll keep having fun hanging out AFK while playing other games
>having fun hanging out AFK
Oh no no no no aaaahahahaha
>cope harder wow homosexual
I played and quit both games.
I'm too old for it, hopefully it gets better or a new and better game comes out.
>some of the materials from maps aren't worth that much
Treasure maps are one of the ways you can easily make heaps of gil
nice try wowbuck
Yeah, with mount items and a handful of glamour materials, I already told you I quit both games.
They are not worth much tho, a 3 hour heaven on high run for odds on getting a dodo or sitting in Eureka bunny hunting for the Eldthurs gives more gold than running maps back to back.
k troony
Every metric except looking in game at player hubs
>AFK modbeasters who don't get automatically logged out are proof that we're the most popular MMO.
lol
>trannies that afk 20 hours per day in limsa without the game kicking them because it doesnt have such a system means the game is doing well
LOL.
>Every metric shows that WoW is still more popular
>such as steam
>twitch
>the voices in my head
Reddit activity
Youtube activity
Trends and searches
I mean neither game releases official numbers but just from online activity alone, xiv is utterly dead
It does have a few, very dedicated shills on Ganker that are active on multiple boards
so made up shit, except actual player count
"voices in my head" it is
Whatever helps you cope, sister
Meanwhile there is more hype for hardcore classic than 6.4 lol
Its bad now. The drought between 6.55 and 7.0 which is a year from now will absolutely break you
And ill be there to witness true despair
yeah, i remember when people were saying that DF would kill xiv, or 9.2, or 9.1.5, or SoM and a long etc
hardcore is just a thing blizz stole from the community cause, even they know, releasing classic cataclysm is a moronic idea
but wowbucks are more moronic, so they'd eat it like it's a new xpac
>it is real in my mind
yeah, there's little wonder you take on account that shit, since blizz is adding those "metrics" as MAUs to appease the shareholders
Just ignore this guy fellas... we cant save em all he is to far gone.
players peak at any moment.
it's over, wowbro...
>when their is little to no toxicity in xiv?
LITTLE? FFXIV is like a iceberg. The tip looks cute but under the surface...
Xiv has the most toxic community in ways that make.it a lot more like vrchat, lots of meangirl bullshit
>spawn nm/s rank
>pull it because I did all the work
>"EARLY PULL EARLY PULL EARLY PULL"
nah frick xiv, bunch of homosexuals who want to play a game without playing it
Less esports culture, which I'm not sure WoW is even really making money off of, besides convincing mazed zoomers to buy more tokens so they can be just like their favorite e-athlete.
disgusting breasts
It's traced. Some woman has to live with breasts like this. sad but true.
Damn that's sad, I want to build two little coffins and have a funeral for them.
zoomers don't play wow
I remember when teenage girls used to play wow unironically.
how do i repress my desire to rape every lalafell I see?
turn the desire to rape into a desire to kill instead
Pretty nice DRK armour combo bro.
I can't sneed!
you dont, you are human so its only natural, even lorewise
over half of the subscriber base in wow at this point is bots. because it’s so established that good farming is still profitable. This is why blizzard rarely does anything about them, because even though they ruin the game further they still make a profit off of them
The bots on Final Fantasy XIV are common, they don't do anything about them either.
You see people botting the mount bunny hunts in Eureka, and also botting FATEs in EW for bicolor gems in order to get the vouchers and the mount, plus there is the usual botting on professions, the latest update had some nodes in which it require the players to be present but a while in the update after they get some items they put the bots to let them grind by themselves again.
FFXIV is the only mmorpg where I see teleporting around like crazy or killing things under the map.
I honestly think both games are dying, wow and final fantasy, there is nothing to replace them with.
I saw this before on ragnarok online and other MMOs I played, there is still nothing to replace ragnarok online with, tree of saviour for a while was supposed to but after a while it becomes pay to win.
WoW is 20 years old. Sure its declining. The sad thing is that even in its lowest state it's still strong compared to other games.
WoW is the saddest statement for the whole genre. A frick old game is still doing somewhat good compared to other entries of the genre.
>A frick old game is still doing somewhat good compared to other entries of the genre.
There is no competition for both of them, hopefully the companies stop with the pandering and ESG stuff and start making great improvements again.
I liked playing them.
>I honestly think both games are dying, wow and final fantasy, there is nothing to replace them with.
This fills me with a profound sadness. I've spent 14 years, almost half my life, playing MMOs. I legitimately would not know what to do if they died.
>when their is little to no toxicity in xiv?
kek what. Did we memoryhole the pedochair debacle? That was just embarrassing
sam is the best and most fun melee because third eye, hagakure and your movement buttons are the most interesting melee dps buttons in the whole game. ty for coming to my ted talk
now they just need to add seigan and kaiten back so i can sub again
There’s toxicity when I’m in the chat
Xiv is the same shit over and over again. The only thing it has is it's story. Other than that the world is empty. You don't even have to go out there. You just camp in limsa all day.
Gil is worthless. Dungeons are pointless outside of the weekly tombstone collection. Same with trials. Only thing it has going is the new raids they release every two years. Even then you can complete them in a few days with a good group.
The game is not for the mmo enthusiast. It's more for casual babies.
All the stats I've seen since Endwalker (didn't really look before it) say FFXIV has a much larger playerbase than WoW. Just googled for it and all sources agree.
activeplayer.io puts WoW playerbase at around 9m, and FFXIV at twice that around 19m. Soo... what's your point again OP?
you must be fricking insane if you think either of those games come close to such numbers.
>Yoshida cultist is completely insane and unironically believes Endwalker is the most popular MMO in history.
So this is what someone completely trapped in an internet bubble looks like.
it's registered accounts including free trials.
I'm an ff gay who hates wow, but the wow playercount and sense of mmo felt way larger if you're not a disgusting erp degenerate
one google search will inform you that there are less than 1m active ff players
Lemme just
>Post lucky bancho stats
>They tell me it doesn't count
There
>Why does XIV have Yugiri?
So you can marry her.
Because it's for literal homosexuals. The story is a fricking joke and only the highest snoybois will enjoy anything in that game.
>dancer in ew content
>doesn't dance partner
Take the Ostrakon Hena Pill
>Meteion found a mysterious civilization whose people appeared to have all spontenously vanished without a trace as if they just collectively poofed out of existence
>Not even Meteion figured out the mystery as to what happened to them, just that she sensed overwhelming despair
>The MSQ doesn't answer this question either, we're only left with an omenous, eerie sense that something very bad happened here
>The fact that the writers left this a mystery on purpose is hinting that they plan to explore this further later on
>7.0 MSQ hinted at some great, terrible event happening
>Zodiark's shield may have been protecting us from whatever the hell may have wiped out the Hena people, and now that it's gone were defenseless
>7.0 MSQ will be an invasion by a cosmic, eldrich horor that's revealed to be responsible for the end of Ostrakon Hena's civilization
>It may or may not be Lavos
Screencap this
7.0 will be comfy sol adventures measured with shit like NU allaghans, space Black folk, and shard people.
We already got our hint about some sort of Ouroboros from the Studium quests.
Google trends only indicate people talking about it, and most of the discussion is how much it sucks.
lol
How's XIV doing lately? Is Yoshi still ignoring it for the sake of XVI?
the anniversery is coming up so you won't get shit until then which is understandable. New xpac will also be announced there
When's the main panel, june?
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/forums/667-General-Discussion
>Lavos
let me tell you bro
high-end raiding scene has almost as much toxicshit as wow cause of parse homosexualry
parsegays will ruin every game
sneedwalker was so shit it killed the game
>when their is little to no toxicity in xiv?
There's also nothing to do. Just like in wow 🙂
As usual, when your dungeons take 10 minutes, when your world is just an empty shell with nothing worthwhile in it to do or go back for and is, despite its size still incredibly small due to travel time, you just get raidloggers, log in daily like a job loggers, sit around in town and rp, and play dumb mini games
He uses the same steam charts and twitch metrics memes and other such barry posts so yes.
Why would this person post this? I’m getting secondhand embarrassment from it
>Hrothgar
ah so it's a gay man
I may be legit moronic.
I've never been to this part in Idyllshire before.
Because XIV is not a fun game.
>Abysmal netcode
>not an open world but tons of disconnected instances
>Every boss fight is the same
>All jobs are the same with nothing unique
1.0 was true open world and everyone hated it
people hated it because there was zero content and it was a laggy fricking mess with a server side UI
Y'shtola my love!
Post more and do it RIGHT NOW
>have a perfect hangout spot like the Bismarck
>everyone loiters around the aetheryte anyway
MERGE THE FRICKING CITY ZONES GOD DAMN IT
I actually once had another player tell me to hang out with her at the Bismarck, that's how I discovered the area. Honestly I think I'd rather it stay clear of the Limsa crowd, that spot is just too comfy.
it's really nice
It's a matter of convenience. If you could choose exactly which aetheryte you appear at when you teleport to a major city it would make "hangout spots" far more likely to crop up away from aetherytes. As it stands we'll only ever see Limsa and the Quicksands on Balmung.
Sounds like a pretty good QoL idea to me. Yeah the erpgays will spread out a bit more, but at least the main aetheryte area might improve as a result.
who is paying for shit like this? Damn even AI art has more soul
>who is paying for shit like this?
pic related
Best cat, best wife, best scion, best FF rep, deal with it.
>accurate boob size
Thanks god finally something decent.
>It keeps fricking going.
like clockwork
>WoW when their is little to no toxicity in xiv?
i tried ffxiv recently. while leveling my character and doing some mandatory dungeons i had two trannies sperg the frick out for no reason whatsoever. we didn't even fail the dungeon but the experience was rotten. how did i know they were trannies? they were in lgbtq guilds
XIV has very little to actually do. It's just raids, crafting and getting transmog shit. Characters have no depth, no customization. Everyone is the same.
It's more of a social game than a proper MMO game.
>XIV has very little to actually do
Objectively false. What you meant to say is "XIV respects your time and doesn't demand that you play the game like a job to progress."
There's a lot to do, you're just a moron who has been broken by WoW.
ffxiv is shit so no wonder it died
You mispelled WoW, sister.
rent free
too late to say that, the OP mentions wow
dilate
I don't care about wow
ffxiv is objectively shit and it died as soon as the streamer grift ended
>I only play games on twitch
my sides, zoomers everyone.
cope
the game is dead and fell off completely
nobody talks about it anymore
on twitch
everywhere, actually
choose whatever platform you want
How about the game itself?
>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THAT
nobody talks about it
nobody plays it
Dude we're talking about XIV, not WoW were even /wowg/ has 4 posts a day.
>XIV
yes, i was talking about xiv. the dead game
No the one that's dead is Luminous Studios.
?
i don't know what that is but ffxiv is still a dead game
I wonder what compels people like you to just say random shit like that. It's fascinating, like listening to a bird that talks but doesn't really understand what it's saying. At least for birds, we know that their behavior is mostly based on attracting mates - what does your behavior get you?
Same reason trannies just keep shouting "IT'S MA'AM", they think if they repeat it enough it'll become true.
Braindead children having a meltie really.
why do facts upset you?
If it's a fact that the game is dead, cite your source. Or have you not learned that in school yet?
Pretty much, there's enough content for different kind of players.
You aren't railroaded into raids.
Having less content means its a better game?
Cope
Except it doesn't with the tomestone and weekly lockout gatekeeping. While I get the intention to keep players subbed, it feels abysmal to only have two same-role jobs geared after two months straight of reclears, when there are nearly 20 jobs to choose from with varying degrees of gear overlap, where some jobs want different pieces despite being the same sub-subclass.
Those thing don't even matter unless you want to get all your classes max ilvl anon.
when I was playing I enjoyed playing all the major roles minus physranged. That's 16-32 weeks of gearing depending on your luck if you simply want one job from each role. I don't find it unreasonable to want to gear one job from each major role, and in reality I played around 8 jobs spread across every role except for phys ranged. By the time I finish gearing my last job, Having done about 40 clears of the raid tier depending on loot rng, I already want to kms because I couldn't knock out those clears in two weeks and have powerful jobs to show for it, without doing 8man splits.
Yes, I also cleared week1 every tier.
>Except it doesn't with the tomestone and weekly lockout gatekeeping.
There will always be a gate of some kind and XIV's implementation is the lesser of all evils. Your alternatives are grinding through RNG or grinding sheer quantity. Both of those systems demand you play the game like a job.
quantity rng locked 3 months is way worse than the same quantity available from the get-go. Meeting up for 1hr every week for the lockout is the most sad part about having a raid group considering the fun you'll have in progression, and raidlogging without Bis is for absolute losers who can only get a decent percentile with early gear that degenerates to a blue in 8 weeks.
>being disingenuous
What loot systems are you comparing this to?
>It's more of a social game than a proper MMO game.
The only thing that separates an MMORPG from any other RPG is the social component. Just because you don't value 90% of the game's content doesn't mean it's not there.
Customisation in MMOS is and will always will be a fricking meme.
>it's more of a social game
Oh ah so like vanilla WoW which you're dying for right?
Except it doesnt have vanillas huge open world and the players are not human rogue chuds but trannies playing catgirls
It's just a story game with some MMO features tacked on.
>https://twitter.com/pipimoepi0w0/status/1655903661489553408
>Super Saiyan 4 Y'shtola
the reason I always liked wow was I could start a new character with a friend, invite him to a party right from the start, and play literally every moment of the game together in coop
can you do that in ff14?
Yes, though you don't need to start a new character to do that, you can just level a new job on the same character.
Why lie?
lol, no
ffxiv is a miserable experience through which you have to go alone with the occasional grouping for a 10 minute soulless "corridor" they call a dungeon, for which the queue is longer than the run itself
I can't like a game I haven't played if no one on twitch/youtube/twitter/discord/reddit/Ganker/facebook/instagram/tiktok/linkedin/msn/yahoo groups talks about it. Dead game, that's what ffxiv is! Until the e-celeb I have a parasocial relationship with tells me "game is good" then I'll never like this game.
It's funny because the NPCs like
can't see this is how moronic they sound.
Where my fellow "happy that there's less casuals/autists/terminally-online freaks present in my game and they consider it dead therefore it is immediately improved" chads at?
So close to clearing TOP
Same. Next session on Friday.
Sure thing Barry, just sniff the petrol and go back to bed before the jannies ban you again
>12 year old trying to barry post
pathetic, zoomers can't even troll properly anymore, but seeing the state of /b/ it's no wonder
Did you think this was funny? Were you laughing to yourself while you typed this? Who did you think would be impressed? How long before you do it again? Are you intellectually stimulated by this? Who gains what from this post?
He's an autistic sub-80 IQ poo in loo.
Making posts like that and jerking off to his troony folder from twitter is all he has in life.
wtf i need to update my army of retainers before work when is Primal going back up
>xiv is still bleeding players according to steam charts for the 4th month in a row
will 6.4 reverse the trend?
>steam charts
>patch drops
>people sub to do what they want
>player numbers increase
>once done they drop out and play some other games
>player numbers decrease
Jeez I wonder
Also this
why does the game still ask for a sub when you have to wait 4 months for 1 hour of half assed content
Why do you keep paying for a game you do not like?
who said i am?
Then why are you here complaining about a game you do not even play?
i used to play this shit game
got a problem with that?
Anon go enjoy yourself, life is finite and time spent on things you hate it wasted. Go be happy.
I don't go to WoW threads telling how much their game sucks.
Never say you dont play the game moron rule #1
Did you enter a thread to complain about something you don't even play?
Do people expect infinite player growth?
It has literally been the same cycle of ups and downs between patches for the entire 10 year life of the game. Trying to extrapolate whether the game is dead or dying from irrelevant data points is the dumbest shit and you're not winning any internet points for being the millionth person to try to do so, especially because the actual state of the game is not a fricking mystery. Everyone generally agrees that, despite the initial overwhelming success of Endwalker, the current content cadence is not good enough and 7.0 will need to seriously impress because it can't afford to be a maintenance expansion. It is understood that the division of labor over XVI has slowed XIV's growth, but that being out of the way soon is reason enough to be optimistic.
We'll have a better idea of what to expect from the future of XIV at the Fan Fest in July, but the general vibe going in is "cautiously optimistic" at best.
>cautiously optimistic
why?
what have you seen so far from 6.x that made you be "cautiously optimistic"?
>despite the initial overwhelming success of Endwalker, the current content cadence is not good enough
lol what kind of historical revisionism is this, we've gotten the exact same amount of content we do every expansion. This game plays it so safe with their content pipeline it would be hard to do otherwise.
The only people upset are chronically online no-lifers that specifically want content to be grindy to give them a reason to log on for hours. Go do something skillful like clear an ultimate instead, so many groups are still trapped in TOP for months, it sound like just what you need.
>lol what kind of historical revisionism is this, we've gotten the exact same amount of content we do every expansion
We haven't, and the irony of this statement is baffling. Endwalker is the cut content expansion.
EW is absolutely not "the exact same amount of content" as previous expansions and even the biggest XIV simps agree. Even if you were right, what's wrong with wanting more?
>Even if you were right, what's wrong with wanting more?
I got two ultimates that each managed to raise the bar over the preceding ones, so yeah, I'm right and i'm pretty happy
Stormblood had two ultimates, and DSR is actually delayed ShB content in case you're too new to remember that.
All that shit for a crappy puzzle about one npc doing aerith instead of a ganbang of the 12 knights autoattacking with chaotic management as checkpoint excuse
The new folks are the ones moaning about endwalker, because they're all wowfugees with rose tinted glasses about their first expansion (shadowbringers). It's funny as frick seeing people complain about post-MSQ being boring like SHB's wasn't the lamest shit ever. Literally just bozja and a million fetch quests to do with figuring out how to get the scions back home.
Nah, the people defending this current shitshow are WoWrats who just transferred their sick dev worship to a new drug dealer. People who started in 1.0, ARR, and HW routinely held the devs' feet to the fire. EW makes me extremely worried for the future of the game for the first time since 1.0. There's a clear pattern of declining content AND declining quality in what content remains.
t. Legacy player
>declining content AND declining quality
i can't buy this when we got the two greatest ultimates the game has had to date. They even managed to make pvp somewhat palatable and gave the finger to feastgays who were freeloading for years and getting catered to with exclusive items. The only demographic worse off in endwalker are the folks that spent 16 hours a day in eureka or bozja and want content that allows them to do that.
You're including the ultimate that wasn't playtested and breaks the buff limit, yeah?
it's funny because the ultimate was so good, the actual raiders clearing it are more than happy to overlook that, shit happens and all.
You can tell the only people parroting this are non raiders trying to score points because no one remembers that DSR was bugged too. The nidhogg towers were flying off in random directions and didn't get fixed until a couple of days in too. I would know because i progged past that phase long before the second day and lost tons of pulls to it.
>it's funny because the ultimate was so good, the actual raiders clearing it are more than happy to overlook that, shit happens and all.
You are so full of shit. Everyone hates TOP. It's extremely unfun to prog and it burns everyone out. It's shit. It's a broken fight, STILL broken unlike Nidhogg towers, and you need pure luck on critical hits to even pass the damage checks reliably, especially in the final phase. The fight is ass and I can only assume you haven't done it.
Only bad players hate TOP, and their opinions aren't relevant because they're bad. The dps check is a joke, any good group should be able to clear it in a couple of weeks now with all the guides and sims out there. Not to mention if you're willing to use shit like automarkers it becomes even more of a joke.
post your logs
you can have a pic of the totems i havent spent
that's good enough for me
rate the ultimates
i kneel
Sounds like what you raid trannies asked for
> and you need pure luck on critical hits to even pass the damage checks reliably
Then when does my group have to hold on P1, 2 and 3 every fricking time, and even everywhere else is more than comfortable. Sounds like a skill issue.
not them but to be fair Back in ShB if you told me would you want new shit or another bozja/eureka I would have said new shit. None of us knew that the content would have been meh and people forget but eureka and bozja were hated a ton in forums arguably they are listning to the fans.
how much players does wow have on steam?
0
That means worlo is dead
>b-b-b-but WOW!!!!!!!!!!!
Every
Fricking
Time
ohoh stiiinky so 0 huh? That mean ffxiv is the most played mmo in the world according to steam hmm
xiv is right now 89 on steam charts. there liks 10 mmos more popular
>>nooo you CANNOT use accurate data, you MUST trust cuckbancho's magic numberinos!
>>>>>>
There are more mare trannies than FFXIV players on Steam, it is quite inaccurate
It's literally a better model than forcing you to take the game as a second job unironically
The lack of toxicity is toxic. Everyone pretending to not hate each other. It's more disgusting than people just saying it.
Hating people takes effort anon. Life is hard enough, why would I waste EXTRA effort hating people when I can just ignore dickheads and talk to everyone else?
>talking to people
No thanks there's enough trauma dumping in ffxiv without encouraging people to talk already. 90% of the playerbase is seriously mentally ill
HA I get that, I can't avoid it as I work in medicine but totally get it. I did mean talking to people outside of video games there, but honestly when I log into xiv I dont want to talk to any damn fricker as well, you are far from wrong. I usually speak to my FC either; they understand and appreciate this, and know I am always happy to help. I usually play on my PS5 so I can claim I don't have a keyboard so they leave me alone.
I have a real issue with disagreeable people irl. Some people are a chore to talk with. I don't like agreeable people either because they're disingenuous/boring
Same anon, I just want an easy life and despise talking to people I don't know as there's always a chance they're gonna make my life more difficult. I have enough shit to manage/deal with without some random c**t adding their bullshit to the pile. Usually I'm wrong which is good, and I appreciate this outlook probably isn't good for my mental health, but it is what it is.
But hey, if you find me boring at least you don't have to worry about me making your life more of a hassle! I count that as a win.
who are you quoting?
anyone that brushes off steamcharts under the rug
There's a lot of negativity in this thread, but I just want to say I really enjoy this video game. The storyline for Lopporits tribe quests puts a smile on my face.
>mural doesn't have Hydaelyn
What a bunch of bastards
I understand.
Same anon, god speed.
>so little toxicity in xiv
i've met people that act the kindest that would trash talk anyone on their back
to this day i haven't had a single good p8s farming party because everyone is too busy stroking their ego 2 PULLS NO P2 IS THIS A FARM PARTY?
>Light Party
no one is willing to stick around for anything ever
>expansion is called endwalker
>it ends the game
kino
>spams this sort of nonsense relentlessly in every XIV thread
>too stupid to realize it's good to not be forced to dedicate your time to one game like a job just to keep up
His new tactic is pretending a janny is deleting posts?
>Why does xiv not have a large player base as WoW
kek dude...WoW hasnt the numbers it once had.
its almost equal nowdays.
all me, i was larping. I was trying to teach ff14 players how to roleplay since it's supposed to be a MMORPG. Instead they choose to /afk + /beesknees and erp in discord.
anon, ff14 roleplay too... they act like they are women when they'll never become one
Can you ffxiv homosexuals post cute and funny Ryne pics already?
>Janitor unironically deleting every negative post ITT.
No, he doesn't.
>implying
>no argument
Ryne!
>Barry deleting his own posts and pretends janny is doing it
Wow has more wide appeal than xiv, more raids, more dungeons, more accessible aesthetic, xiv is inhabited almost exclusively by wow burnouts, weebs, and pedophiles. It's honestly not even fair to compare them, xiv is more like Second Life with some instanced content and some jrpg cutscenes, it's not even much of an MMO when even battle royales have more people in a single instance than in any game mode in xiv.
>MMOs are raiding simulators
brainrot
Yeah. Sad to see the XIV devs completely succumbed to it.
>Criterion
>2 Ultimates
>Savage raids
The raid demographic has gotten more combat content than any other group in EW. They are also all blatant cheater, it seems.
>2 ultimates
should be 3
>savage raids
it's a social thing
git gud
>should be 3
should be 2 ultimates and one meme large scale raid like ba and drs at the end of an expansion
Criterion will die with Endwalker
guaranteed they learned nothing from the response the first one generated so you'll do the entire thing for a title and a single materia
The biggest issue was that the fights are no fun. The trash between the first and second boss was the best part of the entire thing. Why they can't just make some content like this akin to the early ARR patch dungeons I have no idea.
I liked the variant dungeon a lot. Criterion was okay but only worth doing once, and savage was totally worthless and they should just drop that altogether. I'm sure they'll adjust the rewards in the next two, but they won't solve the problem of it not being repeatable content. That's the real problem with everything this expansion, nothing is worth doing more than once unless you're a raider, so casuals are basically done with all patch content in just a day or two.
The real stinker is island sanctuary, but that was predictable. Even Yoshida himself warned us not to get overhyped for it, but people did anyway, and sure as shit, no one fricking cares about it anymore. All the resources wasted on that, and we're still getting more islands in future expansions among other updates that are just a waste of time.
>and we're still getting more islands in future expansions
Oh dear god why? The fricking island is just a DoH/DoL materia printer
Can't call xiv an MMO when the max party you ever put on screen is like 10 people. Even Fortnite has bigger lobbies.
People talking so confidently about shit they don't know about is truly an intriguing phenomenon.
Wow, almost half as many players on screen as a game from 2004, and a quarter as many as call of duty, what a massively multiplayer game
Eureka was fun but it was a one-off thing and the number of people on screen literally broke the game, AOE markers wouldn't appear on the ground because the client would hit max entity limit, until they fixed it.
It was also like 4 years ago or something.
bosnia doesn't count. Don't even pretend.
And even when eureka was current content, it was 1 faucet of a game where everything else is instanced 8-man content, and your 1 time a week 24-man faceroll. The one time a 24-man had a challenging boss (thunderdad) the players cried about it.
Anon nobody honestly believes hiring trannies to develop your game is widely appealing.
Nobody actually wants to go to a centaur gay wedding TWICE.
You're right xiv is much better with troony night clubs and erpers spamming all chats at all times to advertise their gay erp
>It's called Endwalker because you End your subscription and Walk away.
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This stupid pun really seems to have hurt someone's feelings.
>Jannies
>Moderating xiv threads
If janny was awake he would just delete the thread like he always does
Because 14 should have been a single player game or even a gacha.
WoW has a fully connected open world where you can go anywhere you want, no loading screens or invisible walls. on top of that you can duel anyone you want and fight the other faction
in XIV you just sit in some capital city waiting for a queue to pop to then do some content with people you don't care about and log out (modern WoW is like that too probably but the prior reasons made old WoW massively popular. i still can't think of an open world today that compares to 2004's WoW)
How many times did you go and explore the open world on your own volition and dueled someone you met there in the past few months?
i haven't played in over a decade. but when WoW was good i was doing that every single day
>but when WoW was good
So before wrath aka 15 years ago?
Why even you this argument when you don't even know the game hasn't been like this for almost as long as the age of the average Ganker poster?
because if you read my post the point was that WoW was a much better MMO than XIV is now and because of that people still play it today even if it's not as good anymore. the nostalgia and investment people have in WoW from the good days is too powerful for that game to ever die
MMOs from almost 2 decades ago don't exist anymore and people that played them don't play wow either you would be able to tell this if you knew how much of a trashfire was classic
weren't there like 30k people queues on classic launch? the highest i've had for a XIV launch was like 3k
WoW is 2 decades old and is still has the largest playerbase
In your reality bubble perhaps, in reality WoW is deader than MapleStory.
Cope, troony
Stockholm syndrome and addiction are a thing. Everyone I know that plays the game just shits on it and the devs but for some reason doesnt stop playing.
sunken costs, same reason you see homosexuals still playing Halo when there were always better FPS out there, they just can't move on.
Ok so post a time stamp of stormwind right now
How about we compare the group finder? 🙂
Nobody cares about limsa trannies that afk 20 hours per day because there is no afk kick system. They might as well be replaced by NPCs
>we
Post a timestamp of SW
I accept your concession, troony
Enjoy your dead game but next time learn your place
If it was popular and not dead there would be people in cities too and you wouldn’t be afraid to post it
>people still play WoW
except they dont, /wowg/ is deader than manlytears
WoW was always a shallow gear treadmill with shit storyline. Only thing holding it up was the art team and competent backend/marketing. Lets not try and rewrite history here. At least 14 lets me relax and take things at my own pace. With WoW once you ding, you get gated to death before even getting close to something looking like a proper raid, trial or main story content. It's fun leveling in WoW but it goes past quickly, and you've just completed 95% of the actual fun.
it's a different appeal. many people enjoyed WoW without ever stepping foot into a raid or worrying about gear or story. the fact you're not bound by an MSQ and can just go anywhere in the world to explore and level as you want made WoW a much more immersive experience during leveling. WoW felt like an adventure that you were at the wheel for while XIV felt like a singleplayer story game until it turns into a raiding game. Both can be fun but comparing those and saying one is worse because it lacks what the other has doesn't make much sense. WoW would've never been as popular as it was with an MSQ you need to follow
>many people enjoyed WoW without ever stepping foot into a raid
???
Doing what?
leveling (it took the average person a long time), social interactions (most people's first online game, no discord or social media), dueling, bgs, world pvp and later on arenas, twinking etc. i'm not saying raids weren't a big appeal for many, but the game wasn't just raids for the average player
So nothing? You just mentioned literally nothing besides afking and PvP which has always been a side show
it's nothing to you and everything to someone else, that's the beauty of a good MMO. you have people play entirely different aspects of it instead of all being funneled into the same path
Black person, WoW had the worst MMO community ever, the rest of the things you mentioned are in literally every single game out there.
Name a single MMO out there with no leveling, dueling or arenas.
You mentioned fricking nothing, which is why the meme of WoW being baby's first MMO is still true
having it and having good versions of it are still a different thing, i like XIV for example but leveling, dueling, bgs and arenas are all worse in it despite being a much more modern game
>he thinks WoW had good leveling and duels
I guess you just never played games besides WoW, it's ok that's the standard for WoWgays
>good thing isn't good because somewhere out there might be something better
that's not how it works, people have been enjoying leveling and dueling in WoW for almost 20 years by now. at that point it doesn't matter if some other MMO does it better, people enjoy it
That's the opposite of your argument.
i said it's good, which it is. i never said it's the best, i'm not degen enough to play 20 MMOs and find out who does it best
what's bad in XIV for example is that you are limited to one zone, you can't just duel in front of a city or at your favorite scenery and then obviously the shit netcode that just makes pvp worse by default. it can be fun for a bit to do some bgs and duel some people but i wouldn't dare to call it good. old WoW's on the other hand is genuinely good
>spamming 1 1 1 1 is genuinely good
I don't know how people can pretend tab targetting PVP is "fun".
How low can someone's standards get?
you're losing if that's how you're gonna play
Oh right don't forget to spam space bar.
just say that you're hardstuck 1500, you sound like people in fighting game threads that don't actually play
made it to 2100 in WotLK because I had to carry my gf through arena, but there's a reason even arenajunkies closed down, PVP is shit in WoW, I'd say in MMORPGs as a whole are useless for PVP but the Warhammer MMO had a decent implementation since it was designed for it.
the game fell off so it's no wonder it closed down, as i said i haven't played in 10+ years at this point either. i also much prefer fighting games over pvping in some MMO but WoW's was pretty good for an MMO and boiling it down to "1 1 1 1 and Space bar" is just bullshit. there was plenty complexity and room for outplays in it
No it closed down because WoW was so shit even outright esport homosexuals like the Arenajunkies crowd couldn't stop pretending it was anything but shit.
Arena is great but it's a terrible watching experience since you have to be very knowledgeable to understand what's going on so only PvPgays watch it. It's unironically too deep, that's why it failed. They should've invested into rBG instead.
At least in League any gay can tell if a team is winning or losing most of the time even if they don't understand any of the abilities, in arena a normalgay has no clue who's winning until someone dies which is usually the end of the game anyway.
XIV has a better approach to watchability with arena being a push the payload style of game but the playerbase doesn't care about PvP and the netcode is garbo so it's another failed implementation of PvP in MMOs.
>arena is legit legood and 2deep4u
Black person running circles around a pillar for hours waiting till you can get enough crits during your stun chain to kill the healer is honestly one of the worst PVP systems ever
I don't understand how can anyone pretend WoW PVP was ever good.
I mean I see people praise far worse genres
I believe ffxiv’s PvP could be good if the netcode wasn’t a raging dumpster fire/ranked full of cheaters/casuals full of discorders. Like if you straight up ported the PvP into wow it would mog every other mmo’s pvp but alas
>it doesn't matter if WoW is shit, people still play it because of sunk cost
>le art team carry's
Nah it's still a blurry foggy mess full of disney tier models
>openworld pvp in a mmorpg
Only rejects incapable of achieving anything of value in dedicated pvp games/modes ever praise openworld pvp in mmorpgs.
>Only chinks play wow AND china is ending partnership with blizzard so it's just doomed for them.
I will never not laugh at blizzard infesting new expansion with trannies only to end up being banned in china
The base combat is ass with animation locks, redundant "rotations" and forced movement. The overworld is disconnected and very dates. Other than that, yeah I agree
WoW got kicked out of China months ago and is still more popular than FFXIV.
Surely the source of this information is not blizzard reports or twitch numbers?
Endwalker and the patches after have been a complete snorefest
>getting 2002 while trying to log in
welp
Aren't NA servers still down
down from what?
maint
You know the big frickhuge notice you've gotten every time you've logged in for the past week
i ignored it
Golbeze won't be boss for 6.4. It will be SCARMIGLIONE!
I feel like all the archfiends are gonna come back again to do something else, since we got their whole damn background stories dropped on us and they were the best part of the story ever since we actually stepped into the 13th.
i'm fucvking losing my shit overr those idiots standing on the edges of the limas platforms
it looks like they want to jump and end it all lmao
Imagine being a yellow jacket standing guard there and spending all day long nervous af that one of them might jump or slip at any moment but you can't actually say anything because it's not illegal to stand there.
Yeah, I'll have all classes to 90 by the time 6.5 comes out and will definitely finally get around to doing BA and wrapping up my Bozja journal. At that point, I'll have zero shit that I actually want to do in this game.
After playing XIV since literally forever, I've gone to WoW a few times when it gets slow over here. Let me tell you its night and day. In XIV we can take our time in dungeons and dailies like its np and everyone has good manners.
In WoW literally every time I've done a dungeon someone has complained or asked the tank to go faster. its just a giant frickery of pulls and they just go you almost dont even need a healer i dont know why one is required. There was one tank that said "sry first time here" he was pulling groups in a reasonable amount and everyone was like UGGGH OMG PLEASE GO UGGGHHHUH. everyone has no patience and is constantly OCD jumping to pass time its quite insane. playing by yourself or with a friend is fun.
Currently
>70
GNB > WAR > DRK > PLD
>80
GNB > WAR > DRK > PLD
>90
DRK > GNB > WAR > PLD
Why do people still play PLD?
Also on this note
>MT
WAR > GNB > PLD > DRK
>OT
DRK > GNB > WAR > PLD
>Those rankings
In what? DF? You usually see the DRK main tanking in Savage over the GNB.
>You usually see the DRK main tanking in Savage over the GNB.
huh?
In this latest tier maybe but not really much before that.
It's less clear this tier since there's more tank swapping or double autos involved but even if you look at the combined tank damage or speed logs from the previous tier where this isn't the case, it's the DRK taking all the autos in the vast majority of cases.
The whole idea that DRK is a bad main tank are the ramblings of a Duty Finder hero.
nah like the DRK bad mt came from ShB, now people say not to MT it so it can focus on damage
i get where you're coming from but i think that gnb is defensively superior
not him but despite tank balance being in the shit rn at least all tanks can MT well enough and thats cool.
I'm very stubborn.
>Why do people still play PLD?
because this exists
Hey I recognise Rance's ost!
>Start playing.
>Rebirth the Edge.
I'm fricking sold already, don't even need to watch the rest of the video.
Lmao
>implying
https://files.catbox.moe/rwq98o.rar
Why not just play DRK or GNB at that point? I will never fricking get modbeasts.
I am a DRK main and GNB... well... I have this already
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcFzigbI4u4
poster boy
Ever since gnb came out its been a better pld kinda sad but they cleraly just dont care about it.
It's fun and I really like having spells as a tank.
Also looks fricking b***hin, it's my favorite glam I have.
and here we have the raidtroony in his natural habitat
Crappy halfassed patchcontent i sont care waiting o e more month with all the shit content
so you're telling me that drk is a mt?
i will switch if that's the case but warrior just seems better for ucob and uwu
Dark Mind is suprisingly applicable in UWU but as one of my raiddamates put it at the time "DRK are surprisingly sturdy but still the worst MT"
that's also what i think
also at 70 you don't have dark missionary so that's also why i'd rather stick to warrior for 70
>DON'T heal me before (Blackest Night) procs
>t. doesn't play DRK
>t. I look like that and say that
>hits you with regen
>hits you with WHM shield
>spams holy
>hits Assize
Nothing personnel, you fricking moronic excuse for a tank.
is this reportable?
One thing I'm curious about is if they're not setting up the next expansion in 6.4 and are basically just leaving it until the very end of 6.5 as some sort of dramatic twist, how much can they really reveal with 7.0 in July?
I'm over here still playing FFXI and having a great time. Voracious Resurgence is better than it has any right to be.
>lucky bancho reported 1.3m players last patch
>meanwhile blizz is actively breaking every way to gauge the player count
>you only have parse count which is character based, not player based
>DF has been on discount several times only 5 months into the expansion
>50%
WOW IS BUSSIN FRFR NOCAP ONG
Because it is a bad game
>don't care nor will ever care about wow
>xiv playerbase can't stop talking about it
wow lives rent free in your heads, i'll never understand it
WoW has killed multiple mmos including ffxiv so they are forever seething
>WoW has killed multiple mmos
Including itself apparently
it killed itself which is why xiv is growing, they should be thankful
Ffxiv is dead though.
Which is why WoWgays would rather post in the XIV thread than in /wowg/
You guys are like upboaters posting here about how good and creative your memes are.
This isnt a xiv thread
it is now
Thread pic is a ff14 dancer i dunno bro.
funny because its true
Why would I be thankful for a horde of rats bringing their sickness to my game?
>not a new IP
Fascinating
I tried FFXIV and I was a conjurer doing that sewer dungeon around level 20 and the tank went on a paragraph rant on how I shouldn't be healing him until he is below 50% HP. He said I should only be doing DPS until then and I could get reported. I lol'd because I was literally DPSing 90% of the time and my threat meter would always be higher than the other 2 dps. I had no way to defend myself because DPS meters are prohibited so I said frick this game I'm out.
>i couldn't defend myself because dps meters are prohibited
>also I had higher aggro than both DPS
I'm pretty sure this never happened
It did happen. Trash players are always going to be trash. The archer in my party was using the AoE skill for the single target bosses and the summoner seemed brain dead. If this game wants good players like me the tanks need to STFU and accept my godly dps and above 50% safety healing.
Then why didn't you say you were higher than both DPS in the aggro list? That's effectively an in-game DPS meter
Healing produces more aggro than damage.
it produces only half of the health restored. Considering you were doing Tam-tara it probably was less than one damaging GCD
>I lol'd because I was literally DPSing 90% of the time and my threat meter would always be higher than the other 2 dps.
Healing generates aggro too.
SINCE WE'RE ALL TANKS HERE
2.45 or 2.50 GCD and why?
2.50 GCD because I am lazy and unmotivated.
2.5
2.5 since it plays nice with everything and I don't need to go about making tailor made gearsets/melds for each tank.
ffxiv is garbage that is why nobody plays it
>DICE award nominee
thumbnail looks like a condom packet
Is the reason all the places that discuss this game on the internet suck because people seethe over not being allowed to be toxic in game so it leaks everywhere else?
Some people just aren't satisfied unless they're allowed to call others morons in game.
44 Days
Look man, I was looking forward to it, but the exclusivity deal just fricking killed it. I'm not buying a whole goddamn console for just one game.
me neither, i'll just wait for the steam release on dec/jan
For me its a mix of
>PS5 exclusive
>twitch combat
>no party
>grimdark GoT shit
Just too many strikes.
I wish that I had bottomless balls so that I could fap to Y'shtola all day every day
ff14 is unironically a shit game. Its not even an mmo
No wonder it completely died after a few months when the grift ended
>No wonder it completely died after a few months
when?
i wonder what goes through your head when you post this moronic shit
Are these botted by now?
>if I keep saying xiv is dead, it might become true
>it has been 3 years
I just want an MMO that I can grind at for 16 hours a day if I want, that will let me call people Black folk in the chat, and has actual social elements that aren't asking "fishing lvl?" in Catherby
You're in it.
Frick.
raids are more fun when they are difficult enough to wipe you a couple times but simple enough that no one feels the need to use a guide for them. So like Extreme and early Savage. Once you reach 3rd to 4th boss Savage most people just study guides which is stupid to me
AYYYYY He's folderdumping again, boys
he's fricking seething lmao
He's done it four fricking times in this thread already.
that chat pic is the only one I have in my filter list
He's tried to dump the usual same three pics in a row several times already, they just get deleted.
because xiv is not an MMO. it's a JRPG with multiplayer dungeon segments and hub zones, and even those don't have to be multiplayer since you can have bot team mates. even guild wars 2 is more of an mmo with world bosses and bounty farming than xiv.
>It’s another “WoWgays seethe about XIV and endlessly falseflag and make up false arguments” episode
These re-runs are *yawn* thrilling
Wait, Anduin is gay now?
xiv sisters...our response?
BARRY ABARYY BARYFOXOXO BARRY FOXOOX WOWOEOWOWOWOAIAIAKAKKEOAKfakefakefakr baryfakebrry
We'll just let the jannie ban him again
>google trends
>twitch views
>steamcharts
>parse logs
so are you gonna post actual objective numbers or just keep spamming the same 4 sets of perhapial data that aren't playercounts?
>expecting a braindead autist to change his way
>asiaticbancho, its time
>release the magic numbers
>queues may take ages, pf is dead, new servers are ghost towns, but we bussin
>send it
>queues may take ages
2 minutes for you fish brain might look like an eternity
>pf is dead
it's sure is dead when you screenshot it 4am during weekdays
>new servers are ghost towns
this was an overshot, but I rather have shorter login queues than more populated server
maybe they are preparing for 7.0 release day
Of course not. All they wanna do is argue under a layer of disingenuousy because they know they would get BTFO if they didnt
Dead game
Anyone else met just this wave of much worse than normal but not maybe completely shit players recently?
Is school over in EU? Are they on holidays? Is that the reason?
Slow pokes who are still doing content. All the gamers probably finished everything and are just waiting patch drop.
Wowgays are an interesting bunch. They know deep down how shit their game is and that XIV overtook it in numbers already but they still come to these threads to autistically defend it like their identity depends on it.
the previous reply was just a little joke I am actually 6'4" 250lbs of muscle with a chiseled jaw
I've been leveling up SMN, and what the FRICK is this job?
I have like 4 buttons, and everything has 10,000,000 potency. Most of it's instant cast, too. It's actually insane how unearned all this damage feels.
best designed job in the game
At level 90 it plays like a level 50 job, it's moronic
please understand
Hope your ready for the other upcoming redesigns
Back before the rework it felt like playing a flight simulator with about 30 fricking keybinds.
Now it's a lobotomized 3 button class.
It's fun to watch though.
What? There's like at least 16 buttons. I wish there was only 4. I want ez and brain-off job that I can just do whatever. Don't want a "challenge" just want to enjoy the story and visuals.
As a new player is there any point in me doing p8s at this point? I don't have a static.
Why are wowbucks constantly googling their game
>world of warcraft lore
>world of warcraft addons
>world of warcraft controversy
>world of warcraft is dead
>world of warcraft lgbtq
Relic defenders, explain this:
1.0:
Step 1: Grind 25,000 GC seals
Step 2: Obtain seals from hamlet defense
Step 3: Craft ilvl 55 weapons and Double meld materia
Step 4: Kill open world beastman boss for broken weapon
Step 5: Get rare materials from endgame dungeon chests.
Step 6: Gather 990 beast coins
Step 7: Complete R45 Behest
Step 8: Perfect run of Caravan Defense
Step 9: Spiritbond weapon
Step 10: Endgame Faction Levequest
Step 11: Defeat Garuda and Ifrit Extreme
2.0:
Step 1: Do quest for timeworn relic
Step 2: craft ilvl55 weapon and double meld
Step 3: Defeat Chimera
Step 4: Complete Amdapor Keep
Step 5: Kill beastmen
Step 6: Kill Hydra
Step 7: Kill Ifrit, Garuda, and Titan (hard)
Step 8: Buy quenching oil (tomes)
Step 9: Buy mist (tomes)
Step 10: Do FATES for atma
Step 11: Kill overworld mobs, dungeons, FATES, leves AND spend tomes for books
Step 12: Spend tomes for ink, do roulettes to earn treasure maps for alexandrite and use alexandrite to fuse materia
Step 13: Light farm
Step 14: Do every level 50 dungeon, spend 80,000 GC seals, tomes, 400,000 gil, craft "perfect" items using materials from desynth
Step 15: Light farm
3.0:
Step 1: FATES
Step 2: Do every heavensward dungeon (at the time)
Step 3: Spend beast tribe currency, tomes, raid drops, and/or gc/hunt seals for materials
Step 4: Buy oil (tomes)
Step 5: Buy umbrite (tomes) and crystal sand (many options)
Step 6: Do roulette and/or spend tomes for clusters
Step 7: Do 3 dungeons, spend tomes, and grind light
Step 8: Kill every Hard primal
4.0:
Steps 1-12: Do Eureka
Step 13: Do Baldesian Arsenal
5.0:
Step 1: Spend tomes
Step 2: Do Bozja OR FATES.
Step 3: Do Bozja OR dungeons
Step 4: Do Bozja OR CT
Step 5: Do Bozja OR FATEs
Step 6: Do DR OR POTD
Step 7: Do Zadnor OR Raids
Step 8: Do Zadnor OR DR OR any lv 70 dungeon OR HoH
6.0:
Step 1: Do Hildibrand storyline
Step 2: Spend tomes
Step 3: Spend tomes
They wanted to make EW relics not too dependant on a specific content in the game. Everything gives tomestones so everyone can essentially make the relics without deviating too much from what they usually do thus giving more content variety to complete the relics
I legit only care about the skins.
2.0, 3.0 and 5.0 did it best. Relic should be something that you can log in daily for, spend a bit of time with the game and work towards your relic. Eureka was too sweaty and the less said about the Hildy trash, the better.
Also, the Hildy story is fricking awful this time around.
>Step 6: Do DR OR POTD
This step was fricking gruesome to do once Endwalker dropped because POTD is slow and boring but it's either that or sit in party finder for an hour just to do one DR out of the 5 you need.
I ended up getting Necromancer because I didn't want to wait for DR groups. I'm still not done with all the weapons though.
I literally did all the relic weapons by just doing roulettes.
You can't finish Bozja weapons from roulettes.
Dead games win awards now?
For the right amount of $, sure
Genshin barely has any yet it shits all over xiv's corpse
Do wowgays genuinely think they are making a difference in the games perception or playercounts with these threads? Why do they just do the same song and dance every single day?
*dabs*