Why don't gamerchuds play female protag games?
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>Only 9 of the games in the study
So why don't they add other games, is their study?
Games that are on imdb top 150 list
>imdb
Fricking why? Of all the also bad but infinitely better alternatives
because perhaps it's the list that's most helpful to their debunking attempt?
Amazon owns IMDb and probably paid for the article ~~*advertising*~~
the movie database?
It's where they found playstation games.
Did it take into account that many of those are rereleases and expansions?
How many of those games use character creators?
what is imdb? Never heard of that.
horizon is boring and nu-tomb raider took out most of the stuff that made it fun from the games before it,though it's at least marginally better than uncharted
What was the pool of games. Because if you're looking at shit like fallout, skyrim, command and conquer and crap with no defined gendered protag of course you're going to skew numbers.
>Because if you're looking at shit like fallout, skyrim, command and conquer and crap with no defined gendered protag of course you're going to skew numbers.
That affects less than you think because even in those games almost everyone plays men.
that is false
they specified standalone for a reason
Yeah but it's saying 6% of all the games not 6% of single single set protag games
Exactly. You nailed it. They could take a look at the top rated games and disregard all the ones that let you choose to play what you like, and imply there is such an unfairly low supply of female protagonists.
When in fact it might work out closer to:
>no protagonist character or no stated gender like in games like bejeweled: 12%
>multiple characters no set protagonist like in fighting games: 12%
>multiple main characters like in octopath traveler: 1%
>create a character, can be any race and gender: 32%
>male protagonist: 36%
>female protagonist: 6%
>protagonist has no gender like a robot or alien species: 1%
This means, hypothetically, that 51% of games would allow you to play as a female character and if someone is fine with a mystery character with no gender or as a robot then this raises to 64% (a hypothetical number) of games.
Nevermind that there are games that highly focus on appealing to women that are unpopular so they're not even being counted. Trying to use cheap and stupid marketing tricks to slap gender appeal on a game won't carry a bad game.
This is another key component. Men and women are allowed to be different, they're people, they can make choices and shouldn't be forced. We don't demand that nursing change to make it 50% men, that romance novels change to make the audience 50% male. We don't force women to not like the games they like to make them the same as what men like. We don't force games that appeal to women to appeal to men.
Gaming companies often wrongly think they can just make a small, but dumb, change and suddenly get just as many women players as men. Plenty of the top selling and most popular games really appeal to men and didn't need women to make them popular. There are also top selling and popular games like Bejeweled that appeal to women and didn't need a huge amount of men. We don't need to change Bejeweled to make it more "manly". Doing so in a poor way could make everyone like the game less.
>Gaming companies often wrongly think they can just make a small, but dumb, change and suddenly get just as many women players as men
Some do. But in my experience there are two main problems, two different but equally bad reasons why game devs decide on a female protagonist.
1. (AAA variant) This is done either to pander to journalists or as a consequence of SJW convergence at a company made up of too many women and diversity hires who wind up in charge of decisions. Their goal isn't pandering to women, it's pandering to each other and validating their own world views. (Example: Battlefield vegana)
2. (Indie variant) This comes from the hipster mentality and a desire for originality and novelty. The idea here is that "male protagonists are boring, every game has a white male protag," so going with a female protagonist will make it fresh and interesting. This is of course stupid because gender doesn't make a character interesting in fact trying to force a female into a male-archetype story is going to backfire terribly unless you're a highly competent writer who really knows what he's doing.
>in fact trying to force a female into a male-archetype story is going to backfire terribly unless you're a highly competent writer who really knows what he's doing.
Now we're speaking in pure hypothetical: if the writer is a moron who manages to shove feminist crap in the game yes it's bad.
But if you were to gender swap Spyro or Halo I don't see how much of the story would be ruined. Sure there's people that can say "women can't be strong/quick" but besides that I don't see how the story would suffer.
I forgot the plots in both those games so if it's reliant on a male lead my apologies.
Gender-swapped Halo would be an abomination if you don't agree something is wrong with you.
Spyro is almost gender-neutral so that would be fine
>Gender-swapped Halo would be an abomination if you don't agree something is wrong with you.
It's been years since I played Halo so I need a reminder why it can't work
It's a fricking military sci-fi FPS. Female MC in those circumstamces is moronic.
Men have been fine with sexy action women for decades in their fiction. Modern devs especially in California have just simply forgotten who their main target demographic is. A sexy woman in bikini chopping monsters to pieces with a sword is cool and fun. A Strong Woman dressed like Michelin Man logo taking time to constantly lecture how She Needs No Man and how White Men are Problematic is not something that appeals to your main customerbase at all. It doesn't even appeal to women themselves.
I imagine most women would rather play as Red Sonja or Xena Warrior Princess over the average Western vidya slagbeast. They're female power fantasies as much as they're male sexual fantasies.
Depends, Red Sonja isn't very popular among women but characters like Major Kusanagi are.
Its a stupid claim anyway. They could add DOOM guy into Farmville and I still wouldn't play that game, just not a genre for me.
Women are not their target demographic.
Women overwhelmingly play Mobile games, or Nintendo Animal Crossing. That's it.
stop contradicting their israeli feminist pilpul
YOU HAVE DONE THAT YOURSELF
>I don't believe it because why would women say this
Why wouldn't they? If they prefer Sudoku over Sekiro, pretending otherwise is stupid. It's a hobby that should entertain them after all.
>Soduko
Is that a typo of sudoku?
honestly a pretty good example of how that group operates. it's never about the group they claim to champion, those are always just a shield they use to deflect criticism of their actions towards someone else
>wow, you take offense with what I am doing? I am only doing this in the best interest of this other group. you aren't a bigot to them, are you?
then the group they claim to champion does a poll showing what they actually want and there'll immediately be a cancel-mob to get it deleted because it would undermine the narrative that was built up because it shows the group doesn't actually want what the people who claim to champion them claim the group wants.
>Taking down a post sharing a study because its findings did not match the preferred narrative of the group it was talking about
Was nobody bothered by this?
people have just grown indifferent towards it I think, because that shit happens so frequently.
someone will make a point, constructing it completely around one single justification. and then when you prove to them that the justification is wrong you'll just get
>ugh, this wasn't the point, if you had listened you would have understood it
public discussion has completely degenerated into making unproven claims and then attacking the social standing/intelligence of anyone who dares to disagree
Nah cause that's so normal these days
Why? It's the standard procedure for them.
Because, they are journalists, doing a study for an industry. Their ideology doesn't reflect reality where men and women like the exact same things. So it's their choice to publish wrong data and frick over their own marketing.
Any business that tries to lie to itself is going to crumble on it's own. As wise men once said, "never prevent your enemy from making a mistake".
>women prefer games they can play at their connivence
>oy vey shut it down
Why aren’t girls allowed to like things?
>said the cis white male
ironic
Jews aren't white and xhe is definitely not "cis"
If anyone ever wonders why the average libtard is mentally ill, it's because their entire reality is made up bullshit, as can be seen here.
>perpetuating a harmful stereotype.
oh, you mean like, saying the frickin truth? lmao. God curses you with depression and anxiety when your worldview is built on a lie.
It's gotten really fricking bad.
I know people who make educational materials and got in trouble for saying "I is for Igloo." Something about cultural stereotyping I don't know.
The 'rules' of modern day society are meant to be malleable and obfuscated. Every conversation in the work place is a potential mine field that can lose you your job. IMO, this is by design. It works exceptionally well on mid-wits, because they're typically more concerned with "not offending" people, than they are with being sincere.
This stuff only works as well as other people tolerate it working; if someone calls you a homophobe and you call them a gay enabler, it kinda gets the point across that cries of heresy don't bother you.
>why would a woman say this
It is kinda strange that a women would present an easily observable truth reinforced by statistics.
>I don't believe a woman wrote this list because it is not full of lies
I'm a woman and this shit makes me seethe.
Blah blah blah harmful stereotype blah blah. The only thing HARMFUL here is trying to force women to be like men and have male interests and acting like femininity is bad. Women don't HAVE to enjoy some weird niché shooter. There is nothing wrong with liking animal crossing and candy crush and sudoku or whatever.
The only people who say this shit are people who hate femininity. They are the true sexists. And I hate them for it.
Post breasts you hag
Post balls first.
you must really be a woman if you thought this was a good comeback
Well? Where's the picture?
>The only people who say this shit are people who hate femininity.
Yeah, they're called trannies. They hate the fact that men and women have different interests because they almost all have typically male interests and it kind of gives the game away to acknowledge that.
Figures.
Always baffled me how they claim to have a "female brain" but then all their interests are male.
I was actually over at my aunt's and took a look around my troony mtf cousin's room out of curiosity. Star Trek, anime, D&D. Not one traditionally feminine interest. You can't make this shit up.
The Matrix is one of the most male-oriented movies ever made.
>Bejitabros are trannies.
You can't make this shit up.
>Goku_656
>Ratkugays are OBSESSED
This shit always fricking scares me.
Facts and statistics are literally racist apparently. That fricks with my head.
The whole point of posting bad statistics is so people with power have the data to make changes
WOOOOAAAAHHHHH
COOL IT WITH THE ANTISEMITISM
You know this is CIA funded website right.
You get paid too, right? What I find funniest is the civilian janitors who work here for free. And they aren't even cleared!
>mmos in the top ten
I didn't think that many woman were into mmos
Everyone I know that plays mobile gacha "mmos" are female.
a lot of people just use mmos as chat rooms
back when I used to play WoW a good third of our guild was female. But basically always the wives and girlfriends of the guys also playing in the guilds.
I think they play MMOs as some shared experience, and not because of the MMO itself. If their friends and partners didn't play it, neither would they.
Women love any games with social aspects.
mmos used to involve socializing
women were a minority but a notorious one given their ability to totally frick up and ruin guilds run by IRL nerds who don't understand how to handle female social striving behavior.
>Women
>not playing MMOs
>the game in which you can literally just be carried through the content and other players can just dump power (items, money) onto your character
You didn't think girls played the game in which you sit in discord and get a bunch of horny losers to play the game for you?
about 30%~ of people who play FFXIV in Japan are women, and I mean women, not American "women"
They usually play catboys or lalafells
What is it with the catboys?
Cats are cute
you never had a 40 year old mom guild leader?
They add men playing as women to get free shit as female players.
Final Fantasy 14
I can't believe that out of those 5 girlfriends I got in MMO's one of them was actually a girl. All those times I jerked off to the thought of a guy lying to me and using me and it was a woman doing that...
MMOs aren't real games, they're safe spaces for morons and degenerates to socialize with one another
Since I've started raiding in FF14 and actually joining vcs I'd say about a 3rd tend to be actual women. Funnily enough I've only run into one trans person ever and they were completely insufferable.
Who do you think play all the male toons?
Your average feminist defender would say something like:
>T-the distribution is only like that precisely BECAUSE there are not enough fem protag games UwU
>MMO's
>top 6
Wait, so if I played MMO's I could have a gf by now? FRICK
The distribution is lightly trooned so genres that attract LGBT are boosted in the ranking in addition to genres that attract women. If you play the FF MMO you'll encounter many "women"
i've encounter more trannies in wow than i ever have in xiv and i've played xiv a lot longer
Never played WoW but I've encountered way too many trannies in XIV since Stormblood. 1.0 to Heavensward? None. Stormblood comes around? Feels like every other FC application was some troony.
a lot of women who play mmo's are crazy as shit,most of them are the type who were highly unpopular and just play them because they known lonely men willy fawn over them which in turn causes them to always cause a frick ton of drama eventually
Not worth
Anon, almost any popular online multiplayer game has attention prostitutes left and right.
I've played MMOs off an on since 2003. The amount of casual hookups/nudes/cam stuff I've gotten from them is obscene. Never from WoW, but anime ones like Ragnarok Online/FFXI/FFXIV always had thirsty women. You don't usually want to date them though, or do sexual things with someone in your own guild. Too much risk for drama especially if they catch feelings.
A friend of mine is getting married to a girl he met in World Of Warcraft, they've met when they started college around the same time, right now been together for over 5 years now and been engaged for a few years. Her parents are crazy religious, mostly the mom but they have to pretend they met in some christian camp thing
For what it's worth, MMOs are pretty social games so you're likely going to be talking to people frequently.
my first e-gf was in ragnarok online
And people wonder why the direct had six fricking farm sims.
Animal Crossing left a huge hole and now every publishers wants a piece of that 20 million potential copies cake.
The problem is that women don't play on consoles. Just mobile and Facebook which they include in these studies.
The RTS number gave the “female” part away. This chart 100% includes troons and homosexuals
frick discord troony
Anon get your eyes checked, you're so mad about women you're imagining words. There is no RTS on that chart.
This picture is sincerely wholesome and endearing.
I bet a lot of analytic data these days is skewed because they include trannies like they are real women.
>posts pics of israelites
>"muh chud meme!"
can't tell if you're the same israelite that spam forces the "chud" thing or some badly made bot at this point.
Games that have no protagonist at all like strategy games: have never been played by a born woman
What's an "atmospheric exploration"? Metroidvania?
I got the feeling it meant walking simulators.
I genuinely believe that video games are only going to become more mainstream over time, and eventually they'll lose the last of the stigma that they have and will be viewed in the same vein as movies are today. And I think that as this happens more women will play games until it'll probably be nearly 50/50. The thing is that, much like anything else in life, men and women will tend to like different things, as this chart clearly shows. So there's stuff like the Marvel movies that attracted roughly equal gender demographic, and then there are action moves that mostly men are into and romance movies that mostly women are into. When you look at popular AAA games today they're largely action/adventure titles. They do have an emphasis on story and characters, but they also have an emphasis on shooting people, blowing them up or cutting them to pieces with a giant sword. They're still made mostly for men because it's mostly men spending money on these kinds of big budget, full price games instead of mobile games.
>Marvel movies that attracted roughly equal gender demographic, and then there are action moves that mostly men
What do you mean?
Marvel movies are just dumb action movies, why would girls like them besides the fact that it's been memed on?
>they'll lose the last of the stigma that they have and will be viewed in the same vein as movies are today
Yeah, when they absolutely suck out every drop of freedom japanese developers have and streamline everything into wholesome western crap.
>Women play more JRPGs than WRPGs
B-But I was told JRPGs are obejctifying, problematic and mysogynistic?
I would assume it's because JRPGs are more colorful. WRPGs are about gritty guys living in a shithole who have to defeat ugly monstrosities, JRPGs are pretty guys in a colorful world riding exotic animals and going on all kind of weird adventures.
Or at least that will be the generalized perception.
I dunno my sister is pretty much obsessed with Bioware games and they're pretty much the only videogames she plays besides The Sims.
Because the women complaining about them are masculine nerds and feel angry that they aren't able to be cute themselves while regular women who don't have that complex are fine or even happy playing as cute and fashionable chicks as can be seen by the popularity of cosplayers.
women "playing" games is launching it for 2 minutes a day inbetween sucking dicks
I'd be willing to bet there hasn't been a single, not ONE single woman who has ever played a game like Stellaris or HOI or something like that for longer than a dozen hours or so max
my sister has played tetris for a couple hundred hours, so I wouldn't be surprised if she played stellaris, too. I will have to ask her next time we talk.
still, she'd be one of the very few exceptions
I also know a surprising number of girls who are autistically into tetris as well (and can play it at moronic speeds), I doubt they've ever touched something like Stellaris though
I realized I can just check her steam profile
the only game she even owns that goes into that direction is civ6 and she only played it for 5 hours, so I guess you were correct
kek shit anons, I also know a few girls who are weirdly into Tetris and like no other video games, what's that about?
I honestly have no idea.
AS a man whose lost his job due to playing so much Tetris it's just a simple game.
>no music
>play a quick 1/2 minute match
>it's an interesting puzzle
I feel the same way about nonograms and other puzzle games
You know, there's an entire subgenre of posts made by women on sites like tumblr many years ago squeeing about character relationships and all that.
But I don't think I've ever seen women every make a video or post talking about how cool x concept, attack, object, etc is in a videogame that isn't about wanting to ship two characters together.
But I probably didn't look hard enough
Those tumblr fujos don't play the game, they just repost gay ship fanarts of the characters from their internet friends who did play the games
yeah it's kind of like the female equivalent of my overwatch folder
Exactamundo
I'm not surprised to hear that honestly.
Single player games all appeal to some type of power fantasy of some sort and male power fantasies are different from female ones. Guys like being the hero protag/"The One" savior archetype or military stuff. Chicks like games that appeal to their power fantasies of social control, which is why they love shit like The Sims. Games like HZD and Tomb Raider still have a mostly male audience because it appeals to what we like more.
Which console should I buy to get my gf to play videogames with me?
DS or 3DS for Tetris DS, loser goes down on the winner.
my wife plays three mobile games that are all match 3s where you can also decorate houses.
Actually surprised this many play W/J/RPGs, even Action RPGs. And holy shit, Sandbox AND Turn-Based Strategy. Damn. Even Grand Strategy at 7%.
Tomboys exist, and it happens in nerd fields too not just sports. In the boomer and pre-boomer years, this kind of woman was just odd and accepted she was odd and most men showed respect due to the legit shared interest. True (rare) nerd women are ignored by propagandists.
Thats not surprising metric at all. Every rule has its exception and just like theres homosexual men who enjoy crossdressing and working on hair salons, theres tomboy women who like the male-centric stuff.
Apparently its not tied to culture or society either, tomboys are actually made in the womb, when a female fetus gets exposed to a higher dose of male hormones than usual in the womb. So some girls are born tomboys, and some guys are born as massive homosexuals. Every family has at least one gay uncle and weirdo female cousin who fixes cars for living.
Sci-fi confirmed to be more manly than fantasy homosexualry.
Modern fantasy, yes.
It's actually interesting how women fricking hate sci-fi. I think it's because sci-fi is generally about frontiers and breaking into new spaces, whether that's outer space or the future. Women's favourite fantasy franchise is Harry Potter, because it's set in a school, which is this highly controlled and civilised social space.
What this says to me is that deep down, men want to get outside of civilisation, while woman want to box themselves as deeply into civilisation as possible.
I think its more to do with the fact that it emphasizes technical and scientific concepts at the expense of character and emotions, because adventuring into the wilderness is a big part of fantasy as well, women generally just arne't that interested in STEM even high IQ woman often don't like going into STEM fields or have much interest in technical subjects there is also a heavy influence of modern military culture in lots of scifi which is basically kryptonite for your average woman basically scifi just completely lacks the romanticism and emotional characterization that is common in fantasy.
The only one which surprised me is FPS for how popular a genre it is the fact that its 93% male dominated is fricking crazy.
Are they counting just females, or are they counting females and """"females""""?
If you're going to post this, can you cite the source of the data for the graph and what year its from? Otherwise all the women who don't want to hear it will simply say you made it up or otherwise discount it if there's one study somewhere else that shows that there are some percentage of shooter players that is higher than what you just posted, or claim that "oh thats back then, now that we sarkeesianed the industry there are many more girls SEE SUCCESS!"
Im reminded of that poll where women voted on their favorite games.....only for the list of winners to be full of mobileshit like candy crush and animal crossing
And women b***hed because it made them look bad kek. Anyone have a screencap?
You forgot the best part, the list was actually made by a woman, which the Twitter troony mob refused to believe.
>which at this point I dont believe because why would of women say this
I'd love women if I didnt hate them so much
Who cares, as long as the game is good.
I've never seen anyone lose interest in playing a game because the MC was a woman
Stuff doesn't have to pander
>I've never seen anyone lose interest in playing a game because the MC was a woman
I quit Fell Seal: Arbiter's Mark because the first scene featured a female MC acting like an obnoxious c**t.
I'm not going to play Arcadian Atlas (upcoming Final Fantasy Tactics inspired tactical RPG) because its story is clearly influenced by western feminist garbage and features female main characters.
Those are games I'd have definitely played otherwise.
Meanwhile shit like The Last Of Us... maybe I wouldn't have played it anyway that's not really my type of game, but the butt-ugly protagonist certainly doesn't add any appeal.
>because its story is clearly influenced by western feminist garbage and features female main characters.
I can smell your fedora-tipping fat ass through the screen
women are children
hello from Ganker
It's all so tiresome
>Atmospheric Exploration
>41%
Silent Hill bros..
I really want to know what they quantify as survival roguelike.
Is "survival roguelike" dead by daylight?
>Why yes I only play shooters, racing, and sports games. How did you know?
vidya is and has always been a male hobby. it's as simple as that. an escapist medium for all the bullshit the world has to offer, women near the top of course.
sex really doesn't sell as much as Ganker would like you to think.
>nothing but passive games
kek
>jarpigs that high
KEK
sex doesnt sell
Just give me a character creator and let me make my own waifu instead of giving me a boring remade one written by lesbian feminists and I'll play your game.
I play only as a female protagonist if i can make her pretty with big boobs(like saints row 3). If they force people to play as these ugly women like aloy or nu lara, people would avoid the games.
>these ugly women like aloy
Let me guess, you're one of those morons that think the fat aloy photoshop being spammed by shazamposters is what she actually looks like.
No, I just have standards and some ugly mutt doesn't fit them. If I wanted to look at that I'd go to my local fastfood joint. Why does what I see at a shitty food joint have to be in video games? It's ugly here and it's ugly there.
How many of those are original IPs?
I actually always play (or create) a female if I have the choice. I like playing as women. If you have the choice and chose to play a guy. You're literally either a homosexual or a self insert cuck.
How can you not enjoy looking at a women all the time while playing <insert your fav game here>.
The problem is that 99% modern (western) games force a manface disgusting fat slob to play as. You don't even have a choice. And that "female" protag is an empowered "girl" who don't need no man and makes "badass" quips. See new she-hulk for reference.
F*males are gross, we need more femboy and twink representation
homosexualry and homosexualness
misogyny should include femboys
femboys cause more drama than the average woman
That's really just a normal guy.
So wanting to frick him means that I'm actually a homosexual and not just a prison gay coomer?
oh no
Yes.
t. prison gay coomer that likes traps
That's just a pretty boy, not a femboy
>pretty young looking boy, not intending to look feminine
>HE'S A FEMBOY GUYS
BUILT for old hags
haha
I want a game where you can play as a magical boy.
As for me, it's magical girl (male)
there is virtually no difference between a femboy and a troony
They're antithetical to each other. Femboys represent a logical masculine mind coupled with a beautiful feminine body whereas trannies represent a histrionic feminine mind paired with an ugly masculine body.
>logical masculine mind
>crossdresses and acts like a cute girl
yep, logical masculine mind, alright.
Genueinly believing you're a female is a mental illness.
Femboys know they're men but still do their best to be kawaii as frick.
Having sex with girls is gay a suck.
Semper boipucci!
To add to that, I haven't seen a femboy that doesn't at least try to pass
Trannies on the other hand, they barely put any effort
They are both for homosexuals.
Unfathomably based and a fellow King of culture.
Men are the best at everything:
>Interior decorators
>Doctors
>Engineers
>Poets
>Hair stylists
>Authors
>Twinks
>Musicians
>Interior decorators
Prove it
Prove what?
Gay men dominate the interior decorating scene.
If it wasn’t for coomers that number would be even lower
because im not gay
If a game has a sex choice they don't count it as female because it's convenient to the narrative.
Horizon's problem isn't that it's main protagonist is a woman, Horizon's problem is that it isn't fricking interesting. I own it on PS4 it's absurdly stale and boring. There is never a point in it where i feel like i am having fun, it's just going through the motions.
I loved the Tomb Raider games.
There's just no games these days with female lead characters that I'm interested in.
Not my problem
>Why don't gamerchuds play female protag games?
But I do? Just not the ugly goblinas woke devs push out lately. Sorry, but you gotta be this pretty for me to be interested in playing with you.
Fricking this, also based, Legend is my favorite Lara design though, that midriff = I cum buckets
>Source:free version of solitaire
what did they mean by this?
>popular
Is this the cope now? They started shoehorning women and joggers into shit literally nobody wanted, but surprise! those games flop. So now the game must first be popular, then include a woman protag for it to get those sweet EGS points.
That's WAY too high, can you even name 9 female lead games from the past 5 years?
out of 150 games
Still way too high
i cant name 9 male lead games
Mario
Zelda
Half-Life
Call of Duty
FIFA
Team Fortress 2
Minecraft
Grand Theft Auto
Real Life
thats wrong though
All of those games have male protags
Minecraft = Steve
Call of Duty = Shootingman
FIFA = Soccerman
There's Ryza and... uh.. do characters like Lumine count? Probably not, given that you can pick either a guy or a girl depending on what you prefer.
I had to look up who the frick Lumine was
Lara Croft (the OG, not the 2013 version) and Samus are good female protagonists.
samus might as well be male because she doesnt have a speaking role and wears a suit that is agendered
just 1 line in dread.
Regardless I see her as female so it counts.
>western woke Black person trash
I wish vidya only had hunk male characters.
I do
> they think men hate playing as girls
I like female main characters just fine - when they are main characters who simply happen to be female.
I don't like them when being a woman is their sole defining trait and everything in the story revolves around how awesome it is that they are a woman. That kind of writing is always shit, regardless of what that singular trait is.
We really just need a few more good games with female protagonists. I think most players would actually be fine with playing as a woman if the game was good. Right now it feels like games are using female protagonists as a part of a marketing strategy based on political posturing, when they know the game isn't fun enough to sell entirely on its own merit.
the game isnt fun exactly because it has a female protag
that means the dev team is woke and woke people are low iq hence they cant make good games
The game needs to be good and the girl needs to be good. Too many female characters are just an SJW diversity hire's self insert and it's obvious. Nobody likes these characters.
If they want to make a good girl character, they need to just start designing guys, design the entire plot and game around this guy, and then when development is almost finished, switch the design to female and add some breasts. GUYS WITH breasts are how you write a female character that most people will like. When devs and writers try to make a "real" and "believable" female character nowadays they just make her an irredeemable, disrespectful, spiteful little c**t. Guys with breasts circumvents this route because nobody likes those qualities in a male.
>If they want to make a good girl character, they need to just start designing guys, design the entire plot and game around this guy, and then when development is almost finished, switch the design to female and add some breasts.
No, this is specifically what they do mostly do and it doesn't work at all. In fact that's why it doesn't work. A dude with breasts comes off like an abomination to any normal-brained male.
The fact is most games with male-archetype stories do NOT benefit from a female protagonist. If you did really want to write a story about a female protagonist, you follow through and make the story actually about a character that would have relevant female traits.
Fell Seal: Arbiter's Mark is a good example of what I'm talking about. That's a story written 90% like it's for a fairly generic male character (and tactics games are 90% male audience). But then in some lame effort to be original, the gender is swapped. So now male companion is an embarrassing simp instead of a loyal bro. There's an awkward mentor relationship with a character written like an actual girl (and would have worked fine with a male protag). Then you have villains engage in obnoxious misogyny to make them seem extra bad.
Meanwhile Agrias is a female warrior that isn't just a male with breasts. She's princess' guard. (Obviously a princess would have female bodyguards if possible)
>this is specifically what they do mostly
No, it isn't.
Didn't read the rest of your post and probably won't. Don't bother replying or responding unless you care so much that other people read it, as I'm leaving for work soon and am closing this thread.
>No, it isn't.
I actually gave examples and you gave none.
>Didn't read the rest of your post and probably won't.
I didn't realize you were a dick-sucking homosexual. You actually had a good point and I made an honest disagreement on a part of it. But by all means quit the field like a little b***h.
Your example is the fricking opposite of what he said. Whole swathes of elements in the story changed to adjust for the female protagonist instead of just keeping the story as if the protagonist was male.
Are you fricking dense?
No, only the little bits required by the gender change, which are ALWAYS going to be required to some extent.
The real point is to stop fussing over a fake need for female protagonists. If a game is truly gender neutral it probably already has a creator where you can chose gender.
Yeah someone should really point out how fewer people play female characters because there are no longer female characters but "type 2"s.
Based Agrias poster. She could be feminine without quitting being tough, that scene where Mustadio gets her some makeup alone blows every single "FEMALE POWER" moment of modern videogames out of the water.
And I should clarify, if you just want to make a game full of coombait characters where there is no real story or the story is saturday morning cartoon goofiness with stock anime personalities, that's a different question.
This is true. This poster understands that women have no redeemable qualities and that the reason why modern female characters end up the way they do is because they're written to be children occupying a grown man's role.
This is false. This anon does not understand that women have no redeemable qualities and that the reason why why modern female characters end up the way they do is because they're written to be children occupying a grown man's role.
There are two sexes: male and female. There are two genders: child and adult. All real females are children, and if you aren't entertaining the fantasy that females can be adults you shouldn't have them in the story at all.
It really is funny how western SJW feminists pretty much have the same mentality as bitter incels.
It's almost like the chances of a female protagonist game being shit are astronomical. Compare that to the number of people who play female characters if given the choice in games with multiple or character creators.
In other words, it's because Female protag games are designed for women. 99.999% of women who even play video games are only interested in lowest common denominator games. Ergo your female protag game is gonna be shit. Hell you're lucky if your female protag does not end up shit as well, like Horizon.
Right now it sure feels like 70% of the games with a defined main character feature a femoid. Callisto Protocol is the one game I can think of where it doesn’t.
Video games (not candy crush) have a majority male audience (i wipe my ass on the "stats" about 46.85% of gaymers being female), therefore most MC are male... or scantly clad women.
The exact same fricking reason, Elle and Cosmo focus in women and have women (or flamboyant homosexuals) on their covers, because their audience is female.
This is a very misleading headline. For one thing "popular games" is based on highest IMDb rating, which is nonsense. I wouldn't say The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time is a very popular game in 2022 but according to this method it's in the top 10. Surely popular means playercount but then you run up against the fact that Clash of Clans, Candy Crush, and Paladins Of Ding QuongZhouhuong Chong don't have 'protagonists'. In fact the headline seems to imply that 94% of games are dude games which isn't what the study said, given the existence of character creators. And finally it seems the article doesn't link to the study or to the IMDb page. I forgot how bad games journalism really is.
>journalists are complete snakes who will twist anything to suit their narrative
wow!
Oy vey goyim, journalists are trusted and wise
its highest reviewed games fricking moron
>This is a very misleading headline
of course, it's the worst kind of headline. It's totally misleading, twisted and click-baity af, and feeds from negative attention.
>LOOK HOW TERRIBLE GENDER MISREPRESENTATION IS
The headline means that female led games dont break into top lists because they are bad
So devs should not put female protags
luv recettear
luv estelle
luv ryza
ate western "stronk female" protagonists
simple as
its made for women, isnt it?
I do play and love them
But this thing isn't female
Vecause I've never come across a tough bad ass female in my life not even once, these games are problematic female power fantasies
The badass female trope is a mommy simulator made by and for guys raised by a single mom. It’s honestly kind of embarrassing. You’re right, women don’t act like this, there is a reason why the girlboss archetype is mocked, it is because it is ridiculous.
I wouldn't mind that it's not realistic if they gave me a tough bad ass female protagonist.
The problem is that everyone writing those games is either a woman, a troony or some söygolem, so they don't actually know how to write those traits because none of them has any of them. So you always end up with a poorly written caricature who is really just a cantankerous c**t, not winning because she is the superior fighter/strategist but because she is a woman and the writer said so.
to be fair I can't exactly say I've ever met a tough bad ass male like Max Payne or Kratos (pre-onions) in real life either lol
Because if the protagonist is a girl, it's a game for girls.
I don't want to play that, I have no interest in it. If women don't buy enough of their games for the dev to break even, it just shows women don't play video games and aren't prepared to back up the claim that they do with money.
Not.
My.
Problem.
>make games for trannies
>only trannies play them
what a surprise
>make degenerates and deviants high status class by the holy power of fake victimhood
>people want a shortcut into automatic high status by claiming to be deviants and degenerates
gee, i mean, who could foresee such a thing would happen..
>>who could foresee such a thing would happen..
>society is now full of people acting like degenerates or the mentally ill, so you have a good smoke-screen for your own actions
the chances that they did foresee it and this was the intended effect are not zero.
>Play JRPG
>half the time the protagonist is a girl, not even counting the games where said girl is heavily sexualized
>Play dating sim
>TONS of games where the protagonist is a girl
>Play Japanese action game
>women have been main characters in these for 30+ years
Sounds like a western normie gay problem. If these troons quit screeching about how "problematic" Japan is, maybe they'd find games that fit their criteria. That's not what they really want, though.
>If these troons quit screeching about how "problematic" Japan is, maybe they'd find games that fit their criteria.
They would, but they won't because that's not what it is about. They don't screech about Westen video games not having enough female protags because they want female protags - if that were the case, they'd just play all those Japanese games where female protags are common.
They screech about it because they want to ruin those games for frat boys & co, and they think putting a woman into the lead role will achieve that.
They are just spiteful buttholes. They do not ask for those things for their own enjoyment, they ask for those things because they want to take someone else's entertainment away.
Plus they are legit troons. They want masculine female characters in gritty masculine games because they themselves are masculine landwhales. Put in a traditionally feminine character as the lead and they'll be raging over it all the same because they'll still be pissed over "traditional gender roles" while completely ignoring of course that the JRPGs they lambast often have MALE characters breaking gender roles and being a lot more feminine than gritty pewpew games as well. They're only interested in pushing masculine women.
>Play JRPG
>half the time the protagonist is a girl, not even counting the games where said girl is heavily sexualized
LMAO, let me guess, its J""""""RPG"""""""""s, isnt it?
In HZD, i found Aloy to be annoying, shes always talking down to people in her tone, and it's mainly to 'idiot' men to, who she of course explains everything. Why can't they just write a decent female character instead of wanting us to accept their shite?
>because she is a woman and the writer said so
The best example for it are those atrociously written woke comics.
The defeated villain sits there and explains his motivation, and then the female super hero just goes
>Shut up, Chud!
and socks the handcuffed villain who can't even defend himself anymore in the face.
The writers don't even try to make you think the protagonist was in the right by picking apart the villain's justification, they just assume you'll side with the protagonist by virtue of it being a female protagonist and will cheer for random violence against a defeated enemy.
because woman dont want to play as ugly females, and neither does man
imagine thinking that a post-wall freak would make a woman play your game
Fun game, don't give a shit if the protag is hot or not. If you do, that probably speaks to your crippling online loneliness than anything else.
It's not my responsibility to ensure there are female protagonists in video games, nor is it my responsibility to purchase games featuring them. If women want more female protagonists, it's on women to (a) create more female-led games and (b) purchase more female-led games. But either (a) women are not doing either or (b) there just aren't enough female gamers to make any kind of appreciable difference.
It's just like Bill Burr said recently about the WNBA. If women want the WNBA to successful, women need to watch it, but they don't, thus the WNBA is bleeding money and the NBA has to subsidize it.
there are plenty of women playing games, and they sink quite a lot of money into it.
it's just that women do not play the games video game journalists would like them to play. all that money goes into candy crush, pokemon, sim city, animal crossing and so on and so forth, and not into battlefield, gears of war & co.
Game journos don't actually care what games women play. It's just bait.
Women aren't attracted to female MCs like how men are attracted to male MCs. Also the female MC needs to be sexy or cute to get man to buy the game
>the female MC needs to be sexy or cute to get man to buy the game
This is also the case for most normal women. Contrary to what feminists/troons/gender critical "theorists" posit, the typical woman wants her avatar to be cute, sexy, or aesthetically pleasing in any case. My favorite anecdotal example is the Atelier series: I've had several girlfriends - American and Japanese, all normies - who weren't gamers but loved these games not in spite of, but because of the kawaii uguu nature of the protagonist (and the light dating sim elements). In my experience women gravitate toward the hot chicks in fighting games, too. It's really only the non-binary hamplanets who hate being reminded of their inferiority to a literal drawing.
>This is also the case for most normal women. Contrary to what feminists/troons/gender critical "theorists" posit, the typical woman wants her avatar to be cute, sexy, or aesthetically pleasing in any case.
This. Just look at all those drawn avatars they have which are supposed to represent them. Even when they are not hilariously inaccurate, they are still a heavily stylized version of themselves that purged as many of their unfavorable traits as possible.
They might be ugly, but that's just because the art style itself is ugly. Within that art style they are still portrayed as a highly idealized version of themselves.
No woman looks in the mirror and thinks "damn, I'm happy I look hideous". And they don't want their player characters to look ugly, either.
this has nothing to do with sexism and everything to do with the biological differences in male and female brains.
all the top female games of the last 20+ years either DONT HAVE PROTAGONISTS AT ALL, have a silent/unseen/custom protagonist(you), or are about a whole group/team of characters and their inter-personal relations. women typically dont enjoy games where they are pigeon holed into playing one character through a static adventure story. thats a male fantasy.
women want a doll house, aka the sims.
women want dolls to dress up, aka custom character creation systems ala the sims, mmorpgs, etc.
women want social part of games: aka dialog trees, dating/relationship systems, managing a "group" of characters, etc.
women want "pets"/"kids" to take care of. literal: neopets, nintendogs, etc or squad based games like mass effect, dragon age, etc.
women also like organizational/puzzle games like candy crush, animal crossing, farmville,
women DONT particularly like games where you play as some static character and go through a adventure story fighting people. it doesnt matter if the protag is a generic white male chud or a strong independent women. WOMEN DONT PARTICULARLY LIKE ACTION/ADVENTURE GAMES. it doesnt matter what the protag looks like.
but many women are stupid and easily manipulated by propaganda and advertising thus the millions of women who bought garbage games like horizon zero dawn or bayonetta but played em for like 30 min before shelving them.
you cant make women like man things just by making the main character a woman. its still not the kind of game women typically want.
correct on all points and the funny thing is that no matter how much they screech or how many billions they pump into trying to change it, it never will. because those things are nature and not nurture
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Almost as if men and women like different things, huh. Maybe females aren't the same as males?
>Maybe females aren't the same as males
Now make that a socially accepted statement you can say with zero opposition and you'd be up for the nobel prize, and contrary to a lot of other awardees you'd actually deserve it
cool it down with the antisemetism
based, this is the bottom line and absolute truth of this matter. We can't go deeper.
>managing a "group" of characters, etc.
>squad based games
A little off here.
Women don't play grand strategy or hardcore tactics games either, no matter how "squad-based" the combat might be.
You are misunderstanding the meaning with squad, those aren't characters those are units. The difference is like starcraft and fire emblem, starcraft you are managing production of a units, Fire emblem your units are characters.
Either way, number of characters is not directly relevant. Characters are units in most RPGs. Team sports aren't favored by women either.
How about making a good female character first that is also hot or at least cute to look at and then I'll play your game?
I understand there's some supposed frickery going around where they can't write interesting or relatable women characters in some way because the writers are moronic or just don't have the required experience to write those characters in a compelling way but come the frick on, there has to be at least SOMETHING they can do, even if it's cliche.
>female (male)
>defining personality trait: strong and independant
Basically, stand alone female characters in contemporary AAA games just aren't attractive or interesting enough to warrant any attention.
personality trait: strong and independant
>writer wants more female protags in video games
>the only way he can think of to fit them into the story or make them look good is to make them act like men
>strong and independent
>this is never demonstrated by a streak of self sufficiency such as cooking cleaning and being able to go several months without relying on anyone for anything
>it is almost always represented as picking fights or beating people up or being abrasive
I feel nothing but hatred. Maybe thats because I hate people who cannot cook and refuse to learn makes me want to beat them with a mallet
I’m not buying this hot/attractive female player character nonsense. I don’t care how attractive they are. I don’t want to play as a woman in any shape or form. Strong women side characters are cool tho.
>Strong women side characters are cool tho.
no they are not frick off subversive c**t
I don’t me strong like sjws mean. Do you want a sausage fest game?
frick. off.
The ONLY thing I care about is quality. Period.
Frick your agenda and your horniness and whatever the frick else.
Sometimes I hate the people on my side more than leftists. You are a huge homosexual.
frick off homosexual
go watch porn if ur horny homosexual
The only reason to play female characters is basically help facilitate my day dreams of fricking the shit out of them.
You are very sensitive about it huh? Don't be afraid, come out of the closet, anon.
And how many of the 9 are not woke (eg: Nier Automata)?
Personally I'll be buying Stellar Blade/project eve because it has the right kind of female protagonist.
reminder that coombrains are worse than gyosloppers
>gyosloppers
goysloppers*
that's not an anime girl
study some other games then
That's 9 too many.
5. Mass Effect Legendary Edition / 13. Mass Effect 2
14. Half-Life Alyx
17. KOTOR
20. Bloodborne Old Hunters
22. Skyrim
23. Portal 2
31. Baldur's Gate 2
33. Fallout 2
51. Bloodborne
Don't all of these games allow you to play as a female lead? And given that REmake 2 and Horizon 1 are further down the list, that means there's more than nine.
Standalone. Doesn't count if you have a male option
Because women aren’t interesting and have inferior body strength
i don't play games with women MC
i might play as one if you can pick or create a char
>Why don't gamerchuds play female protag games?
Because if i have to play as a woman, at least make her pretty to look at, but that's misogynary in the diseased minds of these idiots.
No idea
Gully is pretty cute though
Referring to those games as "popular" is even more disingenuous, as both the tomb raider reboot and the adventures of nikocado sold so few copies they had to bundle them with the console and then counted them as game sales. It's pathetic.
Cause devs can’t do it right
what a moronic "study"
those 6% are shit like tomb raider that aren't even popular with women
the games women like all have customizable protagonists like animal crossing or MMOs, or they're even more abstract than that like the sims or puzzle games
the only conclusion I can draw from this is that these morons don't actually care about appealing to women
>these morons don't actually care about appealing to women
As it has ever been.
The target audience has always been low-test numales, easily manipulated tech nerds, and "ackshually did you know?" progressives who only care about confirming their shallow biases and virtue-signalling.
So you're telling me games now have to also be POPULAR and feature a female protagonist? You can't have your cake and eat it too. frick off.
Men like attractive female characters like 2B but western devs choose to make their characters ugly with facial hair
>Look at my game collection.
>70% have strong female leads.
I play Japanese games though.
I love female protagonists
When will we leave this "Please lick women's boots" era?
In a few years when the women stop sucking troony wieners and turn on them and their israelite masters. That's when ((they))'ll crack the whip and remove women's rights to vote as well as own property or speak in public - I would say based, but by then it will be too late.
have a nice day newBlack person
I don't approve of controlling women.
That red headed b***h is so ugly
Because gaming is a male saturated medium
Women only play candy crush and other garbage on their phones and only a fraction of them game on PC or consoles
Why would you pander to the 5-10% of the entire gaming population? You're dooming your game from the get go unless you deliberately seek mostly female audience
Female characters are fine when they're part of your party, crew or group, but I would never play one unless it's a fighting game character that has moveset I like or it's a really good game but has a female protag.
Maybe if they'd stop making them ugly or annoying more guys would want to play their games. The solution is so simple yet they can't or won't see it.
The creature on the left isn't female
By my rough count there are:
>106 male leads
>22 player choice leads
>10 female leads
>7 shared leads
>6 unspecified
I know that makes 151 but frick if I'm double checking all of them given how many expansions, DLCs and re releases are included as separate entries in that fricking list.
because i don't want to trigger my AGP
Half Life Alyx was good.
by the way, there are good narrative reasons to choose a female protagonist.
A female protagonist is a good choice in survival horror. Females are inherently more vulnerable than males so when your desire is to really give a feeling of stacked odds in the world against a character, making the character female can help here. Also, survival stories aren't gender-archetypal. A hero journey is a male archetype (if females were the primary adventurers, too many would die or be captured and raped and the tribe and is culture and storytelling traditions would die out). Doesn't mean you can't sometimes flip the script and get a good female hero journey, but it's not an issue with survival. Everyone needs to survive, there's no gender association with being placed in some terrible scenario against your will and being forced to make it out alive.
And hey, guess what, survival horror has featured female protagonists since at least the 70s.
other games were female characters could fit is
pure stealth games
True although most extreme skill games still make more sense with a male. due to the bell curve effect most elite skill categories are dominated by men. So if your main character is supposed to be one of the top stealth operatives in the world, a male is a more natural fit. This is doubly true if we're talking high-risk stealth missions. You can get away with female more than other categories though.
Depends what kind of espionage we're talking about. Many of the most efficient spies in history were women, mostly secretaries who were bribed or brainwashed to serve a foreign government. That would actually make an interesting Papers,Please!-style game, playing as one of those secretary spies in Western Germany, hired by DDR.
Spies, yes. Anything dealing with social dynamics, subterfuge, deception, intrigue, and so on is a natural fit.
Stealth, no. Extreme skill at stealth will be male-dominated (although as with most things women can learn the skills and be more proficient than the average)
i dunno male lead stealth games then to be too action based female one would be more pure stealth in my opinion because when spotted it would more be game over that a fight
plus female stealth character could be flexible
Reasonable point
>study
Because they never had sex, incel.
One thing that few people seem to realize is that women as protagonists severely limits the ability of games to come up with ideas and motivations that men can relate to unless it is something quite fantastical and stylized.
GTA will be a disaster because we will have to pretend that a woman discussing typically masculine issues and using violence to subjugate men (often experienced thugs or trained military personnel) is something totally "normal". The morons who support this "counterstorytelling" shit (the act of subverting storytelling by telling it from the point of view of minorities where they are idealized while patriarchal white men are ridiculed) will say that people accept it when the Japanese do it, without realizing how stylized Japanese games are.
>say that people accept it when the Japanese do it, without realizing how stylized Japanese games are.
yeah, totally agree
Incidentally, I personally suspect that Samus was originally conceived to be a male protagonist and then someone had the idea to "reward" the player with a bikini girl in the ending and that's why Samus is female.
(Although given how strongly the game is inspired by the female-MC Alien movies, I could be wrong here).
Either way, the early Metroid games have very little plot and very little reason to think about the main character as having a gender at all.
You are most likely wrong, too many alien/s references in Metroid for Samus being a girl not being another.
I play games to forget that women exist.
>Check out the IMDB list
>Witcher 3 expansions sitting there as standalone titles
>And then this thing
What the frick is this.
8 too many.
Black person, you gays who don't even play games made every fricking game political in the mid 2010s by screeching non stop about nonsense like sexism, racism, homophobia etc. You don't get to accuse anyone else of this. Unironically have a nice day in real life.
Censorship isnt the same thing as criticizing female designs
I feel like if women were sexualized less for male satisfaction, then maybe more women would be willing to get into the gaming sphere. I could see why such things may be off putting to a lot of women
>I feel like if women were sexualized less for male satisfaction, then maybe more women would be willing to get into the gaming sphere.
Well firstly, women are all ready in the gaming sphere. They play Animal Crossing and The Sims. Secondly, women are never going to take to action games en masse, because women lack that male impulse to kill and compete. They literally don't care.
None of this is a problem. I don't know why people can't tolerate the fact that women don't want to play Halo, and no amount of nudging them to play Halo is going to make them play Halo. Leave women alone. It's weird, honestly.
Yeah, but women arent a monolith. Some enjoy action games, so therefore more games should take that into note and make more sensible and non-objectifying female designs. If women see shit like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8QCQdu_ZRY, of course they will be turned away from playing such games.
Media doesnt exist in a vacuum.
>of course they will be turned away from playing such games.
prove it homosexual
>women arent a monolith
>If women see shit like this of course they will be turned away from playing such games
Which is it?
Some women do enjoy sexualized desgins, but the vast majority dont. Some men would be okay with twink pretty boys with big dongs in games, but most men wouldnt be.
>Some women do enjoy sexualized desgins
They do enjoy sexy designs but their taste tends to be different-- more heavily influenced by fashion and style with a balance of coyness and femininity whereas men like sexy designs because dick hard.
Then appeal to both, and everyone's happy.
It can happen, but most of the time pandering too much to one will alienate the other and in order to be successful you NEED to pander.
Again there's a shit-ton of female-targeted media that you don't even notice because it's not made for you. Pandering to you, even as a "balance" would ruin it for them.
I'm fine with that, as long as we acknowledge that's what it is. Twilight doesn't have to be for me. Senran Kagura doesn't have to be for women. What's the problem?
>Some men would be okay with twink pretty boys with big dongs in games, but most men wouldnt be.
most men wouldn't care
Fighting games are for mega-autists anyway, so you can lewd up their character designs all you want.
There are action games for whatever that niche audience of women who want "non-objectifying designs" is. It's literally the Horizon series, and it sells pretty mediocre compared God of War or Zelda, as far as I'm aware.
Something that actually does do pretty well with women is pretty boy RPGs like Final Fantasy.
The issue is though that even though those "pretty boy rpgs" have male characters that appeal to women , most male characters meant to appeal to women have agency and are written like humans, while most sexualized female characters are not. And games with those sexualized men are a minority, nor is the sexualization of men in those games as gratuitous as the usual sexualization of women (do you see the camera pointing at clouds ass and dick for example?). Hell, even romance novels treat the men like humans still, while the same cant be said for male authors writing women. And youre being disingenuous with your horizon example. Sony literally just released the stellar blade trailer, which looks like a game made for a 14 year old boys wet dream.
>while most sexualized female characters are not
proofs where
>while the same cant be said for male authors writing women
proof?
>which looks like a game made for a 14 year old boys wet dream
mad roastie?
>Hell, even romance novels treat the men like humans still
I think you just don't understand how male characters are written in romance novels. They tend to be absolutely absurd if you know what you're looking for.
They also tend to be far more verbal and emotional than any real-life male.
by the way, I definitely understand your criticism from the blatant dick-pandering side. I don't have a problem with some games doing it, but do personally find it off-putting sometimes.
But you're way off trying to think of it as some kind of unfair bias or systemic problem. You're just biased because you're immersed in videogames, japanese videogames in particular and most likely have very limited exposure to the full range of culture pandering to women.
You think JRPG protagonists are written like humans?
>Sony literally just released the stellar blade trailer, which looks like a game made for a 14 year old boys wet dream.
So what? Market variety. A game for every demographic. That's how it should be.
>while most sexualized female characters are not.
clearly you haven't play any of them even H-game have female characters with full agency
>And youre being disingenuous
right back at you
>(do you see the camera pointing at clouds ass and dick for example?)
pretty sure women don't like those thing if they did no woman would complain about dick-pick
There are no good games like that.
So now it has to be a "good" game too? Is God of War even a good game?
>If women see shit like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8QCQdu_ZRY, [Embed] of course they will be turned away from playing such games.
thats pretty tame if this is what turns women of the fighting games then they should go to therapy to solve some of those insecurity
>Yeah, but women arent a monolith.
yes they are why else would feminism exist
>Media doesnt exist in a vacuum.
pretty sure it dose you can't judge games comparing it tho other games outside it's genre or product
>Girls, we really need to clean up the abs and chest from romance novels, because some homosexual men actually like to read them but are put off by all this objectifying imagery! Trust me, remove the abs and replace them with fat balding dudes and romance novels would be more inclusive!
>man and a big cat
Women who don't care about shooter games aren't suddenly going to start caring if you dress every woman in burkha in the game. The few women who play shooter games don't give a shit about sexualized women because they are already fully aware that they're consuming and enjoying products aimed at male demographic.
The most watched tv shows of mostly women are Kim Kardashian TV show and Temptation Island, so don't try to give us this bullshit that oversexualization somehow prevents women from consuming something.
It is pretty funny to think about all the attempts by various companies to get women to play their games via changes to clothes, prominent female characters, and attempts to center the narrative around them.
What did Nintendo do when they wanted women to play their games?
They released Animal Crossing.
Because they're trying to please everyone and end up pleasing no-one. Trying to get more women to play shooter games is like trying to get more women to follow female soccer or ice hockey. Its doomed to fail.
Ironically those women who do follow sports tend to follow male sports because thats where the peak performance happens. And they get to see sweating handsome dudes, while cheering for their country and getting a good excuse to drink themselves to coma once their country or team wins.
That article in the pic is so ridiculous. How is that girl any different than your typical instagram account.
If women didn't like those designs then why do they cosplay them?
Most of the complains come from modern "men", trannies and ugly women
Not all media needs to be for everyone, it's fine if some genre's are more uneven in their gender distribution.
It'd be like insisting that lesbian porn for lesbians' contains hard gay man on man sex or a bunch of straight sex alongside the stuff they want, that idea is inane
Women don't have the reaction time to be competitive in fighting games, cs:go, etc.
>I don't know why people can't tolerate the fact that women don't want to play Halo,
Women (and gays too) consume in greater quantity and more often on impulse than men. Depending on who does the study, you will find that women are 2 to 4x more likely to consume than men.
So the reasoning of the suits is simple, if women consume 2 to 4x more, then if we attract women to our game we will sell 2 to 4x more items, DLCs, etc.
What these guys forget is that there are biological differences between men and women and no matter how hard you try to attract them to your games, you won't succeed for most genres. People are losing the ability to notice this obvious thing because they live in societies led by a liberal elite are naive and obsessed with "equality".
But republicans are the same a israelite loving cucks as poltards mutt self hating morons. Are the same as SJWs homosexuals. Crying and screeching by any significant chance to the status quo. Besides this is pink capitalism garbage.
Nobody gives a shit homosexual it's the "blue team" elite that is leading the culture war who fricking cares what the republicucks are doing? You have no worthwhile point.
I not American and don't care about your culture war bullshit. The republicans and leftists are the same people that supports Israel.
Even Trump supports that place.
And this is pink capitalism garbage made by the CIA.
frick off schizo you have no point
Hahahahaha with presented with facts. You homosexuals poltards screech like morons about schizos. Fricking homosexuals mutts support a homosexual like Trump. That is collided with Ashkenazi israelites. You don't nothing about politics, geopolitics and don't know nothing relevant thing besides you cultural war bullshit of left vs the right bullshit.
>Censorship isnt the same thing as criticizing female designs
Yet you gays censor everything you get your claws into.
Once again, telling developers "hey, this character design is kinda objectifying and ridiculous, maybe you guys should be better and put more though into what type of media youre making?" isnt akin to "hey, fricking ban this game now!". Youre making a false equivalence. Freedom of art doesnt equal freedom from criticism. And I like fanservice too, for example I like Kill La Kill. But when fanservice is applied to EVERY female character in a game, at that point its just treating women as objects. And it also makes the game seem immature and ruin tension and immersion as well. You hate me saying this, but its the truth.
> think you just don't understand how male characters are written in romance novels. They tend to be absolutely absurd if you know what you're looking for.They also tend to be far more verbal and emotional than any real-life male.
And how much media has characters like that compared to the fricking truckload of big boobied love interests?
>Once again, telling developers "hey, this character design is kinda objectifying and ridiculous, maybe you guys should be better and put more though into what type of media youre making?"
In other words:
>I don't approve of your work, change it
This is basically the censor's job, to approve works that he (or the rules he needs to follow) deems appropriate.
EVERY game that is sold has some kind of censorship because there are laws that forbid the commercialization of certain themes and the companies need to follow them.
The only way to find things totally uncensored are obscure amateur games whose authors have not caught the attention of people like you.
We never said that you are not allowed to enjoy sexualized games. We just want people to understand the stereotypes at play and to be more critical of the media they consume. Just because you love something, it doesnt mean you cant criticize it criticize how certain groups are portayed in it. For example, youre allowed to enjoy old bugs bunny cartoons, but you should also be more cautious and critical of how blacks and natives are depicted in it. And regarding your censorship stance; if a game dev made a game thats batantly racist and depicted black people as monkey, would it be "censorship" to criticize that depiction?
Can we be critical of the stereotype of the evil white man?
No one ever said that white people are evil though. Its more of a criticism of the power structures at play that actively benefit white people (not that you care though). Whats with you guys and your victim-complexes? Do white people get shot by the police for sleeping in their car or for stealing a bag of skittles?
I meant that they actually have agency and character to them, while the senran girls are literally just T n A in your face constantly.
White people get slaughtered regularly in South Africa just for existing.
>Do white people get shot by the police for sleeping in their car or for stealing a bag of skittles?
yes, in higher quantities than any other race in america
>Its more of a criticism of the power structures at play that actively benefit white people
that villain white male
>Do white people get shot by the police for sleeping in their car or for stealing a bag of skittles?
no they get shot for being white
>We never said that you are not allowed to enjoy sexualized games.
Your whining is obnoxious, though.
I understand the nominal complaint and sometimes I make it myself. But somehow almost nobody ever gets pissed off at me because I don't barge into every conversation and menstruate all over the thread about sexism and other postmodern critical theory bullshit.
>We never said that you are not allowed to enjoy sexualized games.
if you did't then don't complain about sexualizing
>it doesnt mean you cant criticize it criticize
you aren't criticizing you're bashing and whining not valid critic
>if a game dev made a game thats batantly racist and depicted black people as monkey, would it be "censorship
yes
>And how much media has characters like that compared to the
An absolute frickton of media. Like, every fricking TV show that isn't a small handful of guy shows is aimed at women.
Bullshit. Censorship suites you freaks perfectly. You unironically believe objectification meme so you seek to take away things like sexy female characters and female characters with flaws. You then infiltrate the things you hate or intimidate the creators so you can ruin them. All your "criticism" is just a mask to cover yourselves which is why you "criticize" things that clearly aren't for you and that you have nothing but hatred for.
How is objectification theory a "meme" exactly?
The twilight men are written as humans and have actual personalities, the senran girls arent.
>The twilight men are written as humans
They are literally vampires and werewolves.
>he twilight men are written as humans and have actual personalities
They literally aren't. They're underwear models who live their lives to obsess over this one mediocre girl.
I don't care about this personally, because it's not for me. If anything, I think it's funny, and kind of cute in it's own way. I'm not going to say it shouldn't exist, or less of it needs to exist.
>How is objectification theory a "meme" exactly?
Because it is moronic and gay. So what if a woman is "objectified" in a videogame? She literally isn't real. You see things that clearly aren't for you and decide they are bad by your arbitrary standards so you try to destroy them.
Its about how certain groups are depicted in media though.
>Because it is moronic and gay.
Very mature and reasonable criticism!
>women have to specifically be depicted the way I want them to be depicted
I don't agree.
Who the frick gives a shit about "groups"? Half the games that you israelites "criticize" aren't even set in the real world, it literally doesn't matter.
>Very mature and reasonable criticism!
You're on a videogame board, it isn't meant to be "mature" or "reasonable" you gay moron.
The problem is that you care about groups and don't care about people. This is the singular issue with all of identity politics.
This.
Someone earlier in the thread said that even though you have freedom of art (which is just freedom of expression, 'freedom of art' is not a thing), you're not exempt from freedom of criticism.
First of all, you don't have the 'freedom' to be criticized. Freedom means you have the space to do what that freedom gives you. It's a right you can exercize. It would be silly to exercise your right to get criticized, but also that if you have the 'freedom' to do that, you can also not do it, and that's not what that poster meant. What that poster means is that even though you have freedom of expression, that doesn't mean other people can't have *their* opinion about that. You're not exempt from having other people criticize you if you express your art.
Which brings me to my point, people who feel the need to criticize just need to shut the frick up. Stop being so uptight and feel the need to have opinions about what other people do.
>?" isnt akin to "hey, fricking ban this game now!". Youre making a false equivalence.
i believe that it would be better to ban the game completely than to release neutered version of the game
>And it also makes the game seem immature and ruin tension and immersion as well
that what games are video games aren't for grown ups
I play wegs with female protagonists that I can prostitute out to every dick in the game
If your game has a female PC, but you don't get raped on loss, you're wasting my time
>gamergate happened 8 years ago
>people still crying about muh inclusivity
don't care please have a nice day.
Because Horizon released at the same time as Breath of the Wild and then as fricking Elden Ring.
Genuinely wouldn't it be like this? We know the only games that do particularly well with women are dollhouse sims like Animal Crossing or The Sims, and there's no reason to remove gender options from those games.
If you're going to make some narrative focused action game with fully voiced characters and cutscenes, it's probably mostly going to sell to men, and spending the time to have a female option like in Mass Effect is going to eat up resources.
Most men are going to want to play as the male character, because most people have limited imaginations and want to self-insert. That comes naturally.
If you want women to play more of these games, you kind of have to take that up with them, and to be honest, you probably have better things to do than hound women over not wanting to play the new Horizon.
In the end, none of this actually matters,
I play a ton of female protagonist h-games
Black folk
I do though
I just dont play Snymina
No one wants to play a female. It's fricking atrocious. Self-inserting is the only viable way to play video games. Game companies will never understand this because they don't play games. They got into the game industry because its just a job to them. Not a passion.
It's cringe they act like men as much as possible
that's bullshit there are so many female protagonists now
It says "main playable character", which means they immediately get to discount every game with options. RE2 for example wouldn't count because you can also play as Leon.
I am
Does it have good h scenes?
Great gameplay and story too, h scenes are just a bonus.
Typical dishonesty.
Popular games from all time? Maybe it's 6%
Popular games in the recent 5 years? Definitely over represented for how little females play them.
They're unattractive dykes. Just add any amount of sex appeal and it will do well, look at Neir Automata or even the GTA 6 leaks. Sure, Lucia is a goblina but she has a fat ass so everyone is fine with it.
Because I don't give a shit about women in media. At all.
Also frick you.
>Bayonetta
>Ryza
>Shantae
>Metroid
>Senran Kagura
>Neptunia
I love games with female protagonists
Yeah I forgot those too.
We want good female protags and not ugly mixed baboons acting like men.
Because western writers can no longer write compelling female characters with actual flaws. My favorite game has a woman protag who's an utter selfish c**t and gets her comeuppance multiple times and ultimately has to face the consequences of her actions by the end. compared to something like abby and ellie who never stop being c**ts regardless of the cost and in abby's case is in the right for being a c**t.
Make them cute and likeable and I'll play them, westernoid troons.
>NOOOO YOU'RE LYING YOU CHUD!
I played beyond good and evil, silent hill 3, parasite eve, gravity rush, tomb raider, Kya dark lineage. I don't have a problem with female protag. I have a problem with feminist burgermutt depiction of females. I don't mind females the same way I don't mind homosexuals as long as they're likeable.
The problem is directly with this focus on women. The issue is that writers are generally not talented enough to make a game with a female main character who doesn't come off as a massive b***h/smug c**t.
I hate to be "but the Japanese" but Japan does do it better, even if 50%< of the female characters are ditzy or moe shit. They at least come off as likable people.
Writers in the West have forgotten that you don't need to make someone a cold, condesending piece of shit in order to make them strong, independent, and capable.
Even women can't do it in games aimed at women. Romance Virtual Novels aimed at women are a big business in Japan, and every single one of those games the actual female main character has some kind of special superpower but no real personality whatsoever. Probably so that its easier for the Fujos to self-insert to a boring blank slate.
>every single one of those games the actual female main character has some kind of special superpower but no real personality whatsoever
Isn't this common to the majority of Japan's self-insert power fantasy fiction?
Just look at Aloy’s ugly face, there is your answer.
Modern female characters are designed by pic related.
>Mmm what if we make her really fierce and independent and she fricking tells me I've got a small wiener and stamps on me, oooohhh!
Makes sense, ugly female characters appeal to the Cuck demographic
I like games where female characters have a bad time.
Missing Fear & Hunger.
what's the deviantart looking game with the blood splatter?
Demonophobia
Every woman I ever dated was really b***hy and treated me like shit. I don't need that from fictional woman too. I need pic related
Makes me wonder if they counted games with character creator as having a female protagonist. No, that shit counted as a mail straight of the bat, right? Because god forbid our flimsily constructed narrative actually encounter a bump. It might come crashing down.
>playing a game where the woman is competent and frequently outsmarts / overpowers men
I can only suspend my disbelief so much.
Because the west can’t make good female characters. They’re all ugly or pushing feminist shit. If I’m paying for the game the character has to be attractive bare minimum.
I do not pay money for games staring holes or Blacks. If you don’t like that you can tongue my anus.
300+ posts thread so it's probably already been said, but I feel like a huge amount of games let you play as either male or female anyway. Whether it's character creation or character selection. The vast majority of my games let you play as a girl one way or another.
You clowns insisted representation was important. Well then, have women and trannies that feel represented buy that shit, I will not.
Are they even counting games with Create-a-character, like Dragon Age, Elder Scrolls, Elden Ring, etc.?
Many games now have an option where the female can be the lead.
Sorry, I'm not interested in playing a game with SOLELY a female.
Unless she is well written and well done, which usually doesn't happen.
Let me be men.
Let us play our games in peace.
Enough of this "equality" bullshit, you don't even play the same games or have the same interests as us men
And you never will
But I did, I liked tomb raider and loved Lara crofts pyramid shaped boobs, before that fishlipped b***h angelina jolie made movies about tombraider and subsequent games turned her from sexy badass into some homely girl next door.
some games need women protagonists with the right amount of sexy to be interesting.
Otherwise woke can frick off.
besides women play candy crush and mobile games so why cater to them?
Women or Black folk out of context in historical revisionism games are insta-nope for me.
>Only 0 of the most popular harlequin romance novels have a fat, incel manchild who thinks girls are icky as the male lead
>its problematic! Unfair!
If the above isn't an issue, neither is this. I'm pretty sure its either GameRant or TheGamer that is trying to be the next Kotaku/Polygon in terms of ragebait.
I'm literally playing as one right now, you shit-stirrer
>go to play porn game
>female protagonist
dropped everytime
>Why don't gamerchuds play female protag games?
They do, when the female protagonist is attractive and not a troon
See
>Tomb Raider
>Metroid Prime
>Half Life ALYX
>Portal
>Bayonetta
For games with attractive protagonists
See
>Control
>Horizon zero dawn
>The Last of Us 2
For troon protagonists
I don't play games with californians regardless of the sex
I always found it odd that anybody would give a frick what gender a game protag is. If the game is fun, then I'll play it.
Besides, more and more AAA games are just letting you make your own characters these days.
Same, I don't really care about the gender of the protagonist, i only care if the game is fun.
Because it's annoying and distracting to see some ugly ballbusting c**t using male body language and manner that's clearly some puffy numale's idea of a strong woman.
Why aren't there more men in makeup commercials? Its almost like its targeting certain demographics.
I know only one man who wears make-up, and even then, its not very often
Returnal
Horizon
Tomb Raider
Bayonetta
Metroid
Bloodstained
Tales of Berseria
Control
Silent Hill 3
Resident Evil 3
All decent games, but some of those chicks will not shut the frick up.
Because I don't like Fantasy-Fiction.
God Aloy is su butt ugly
>Be game developer
>Have an idea
>Make intricate story
>Get told by management you have to alter your story to include people of color, the "differently abled", and change genders or they take it from you
>"You're creative and we appreciate your energy, but... do you really think you have enough minorities in your story?"
>You cant be creative unless it is "in the right ways" and appeases the twitter mob
Absolute clown world.
I just tried this myself, using Metacritic's top 100 ranking. About 1/3 of the list is duplicates which I tossed.
Male protagonists only: 50
Female protagonists only: 1 (2 if you count Celeste)
Multiple or custom player characters: 13
Non-human player: 4
So big deal. Men play and make video games, and the video games reflect that. Why is it controversial to point out facts.
don't feel like playing as a clown
They forgot to make them appealing
These games are made by people with no passion who are bad at their jobs because in current year they think these issues can be smoothed over by just hiring enough women and diversity so you end up with a bland game with absolute shit writing and then marketing tells you to eat it up because this female protagonist is so progressive.
If she aint hot I aint playing.
>The study took a look at the 150 highest-rated video games on IMDB (excluding remasters and expansions), then determined whether each game had a female protagonist
>woman always vast minority of gamers
>people suddenly mad that they weren't retroactively equally represented
I do. I just don't play Sony games or any game that is advertised to me or that I'm recommended. Not sorry either
I've played plenty of games with female protags that I've liked. Umihara Kawase, Fatal Frame, Valis, River City Girls, Shantae, Haunting Grounds, NieR Automata. I'm just not interested in playing as an ugly b***h with an atrocious personality.
How many gamers are female?
Does it matter? i mean whats preventing you from playing as this lovely lady?
I'm not a gay and I don't want to cut my wiener off? That's about it I think.
>I'm not a gay and I don't want to cut my wiener off?
I don't see what that has to do with videogames, but whatever
lots but that term is increasingly meaningless or disingenuous. People playing competitive AAA action games are all male.
they are usually unbelievable characters
and the one time they have an actual built woman, they had to make it a lesbian and put it in a sony pony game
9 is way too many.
I bet most of those 6% were old female protags, AKA before this woke disaster started.
for the same reason they made the new Ariel black
Make the females sexy and beautiful like 2B and I'll gladly play their clits
>Study claims
A israelite claims.
ftfy
So their point is that if you want your game to be popular, it should not have a female protagonist?
Playing female protagonist, especially when the game has some yuri/lesbian content is the first step into becoming a troony. Don't fall for this trap fellow anons.
I've always been a yurigay, and I'm never gonna let my domain fall to corruption
I've played as female protagonists before and I'm happily married.
If you turn into a troony it's not because of a game, it's more likely because someone fingered your butthole by force and messed you up.
you moron yuri exists solely for men like me to rub their covks to
because im not transexual.
I played Nier Automata because it looked fun and interesting and had no gay politics or intentionally ugly characters for muh realism. I will not play your Horizon Nicocado game.
Despite being featured in only 6% of games, the female gamer population represents over 51%* of the gamer fanbase.
There is nothing wrong with men wanting to play games featuring male protagonists. Especially in current year when female protagonists only exist to push an agenda, rather than existing for the sake of being cool or interesting.
I am female and do not really care if the main character is male or female. "Representation" is a meme. Sure it's nice to play as a woman and I will usually pick female if given an option between the two, but it's not like it's 100% necessary all the time.
If the game is fun why the frick should I care that I'm playing as a guy? Why should I give a frick about their race? I feel like the only people who care are insecure frickwads who need everything to pander solely to them 100% of the time. And yes, this includes people who screech about having to play as a woman. Insecure fricktards prone to trooning out.
>I am female
Shoe on head
Ah, the typical who the frick cares and pretending to be open minded while judging people for having preference. There's literally nothing wrong if someone consumes exclusively something that panders to them.
>There's literally nothing wrong if someone consumes exclusively something that panders to them.
I never said it was wrong you double Black person. I said what IS wrong is people having a goddamn meltdown over it. Just shut up and play a different game if you can't handle the protag's sex or whatever.
In the latest Famitsu top 30 from Japan
>games with a male protagonist and no female protagonist
2
>games with a female protagonist and no male protagonist
4
As for all the other games on the list, the games star either a character of your own creation, or you choose between a man or a woman of equal importance, or the game actually refers to you the real life person as the player.
There are tons and tons of games with female protagonists. And even for games that have a set protagonist, tons of games are marketed using female player characters anyway. Just look at just about any Splatoon promotion from the very first game right down to the new one, or just look at the games' cover arts.
Maybe western games journalists should just stop being biased against Asian games.
Because GOOD female protagonists are hard to find. I enjoy stronk female characters but most of them are just poorly written fap bait made by men or ultra power fantasy feminist garbage. You hardly ever get original PS tomb raider lara croft female MCs or literally every female character in Star Ocean 2. I like playing female characters, but good ones are hard to find anon. Just hard to find.
I don't mind either way.
Horizon is just dogshit.
What is a chud? Never heard of that. Did you misspell chad? Because GamerChads don't play as girls. Pedo troon groomers play as a girl, because something is defective in their brain.
Is Atelier also Female protag?
If gender doesn't matter then why is it such a big issue that there isn't a perfectly even gender ratio in protags?
If representation is everything and you can't enjoy playing a character you don't relate to then why are men the ones being expected to play female characters?
Women don't like games, they like people watching them while playing games. They're a fricking meme.
The better question is: Why aren't women buying more games with female protagonists?
Last time I checked men don't enter female spaces and demand that they be allowed to do yoga in spandex or whatever.
because I don't want to play as a woman, and any game that has a female only protag makes me very unlikely to play it.
There is nothing wrong with female protags, it's just that current year female protags are frickin ugly both physically and spiritually.
wow, you'd be tempted to think that maybe most women don't play a lot of games