Upscaling legitimately looks better than non-4K native in most modern games because of TAA bluriness. And only 5 high-end cards can run games comfortably in 4K native. The cheapest one of them is a 6900xt which still sell for like $600.
For everything under that, you do better by using upscaling and DLSS is the objectively superior form of upscaling.
MSAA doesn’t work with deferred rendering and is too performance intensive and the other two suck ass even compared to TAA.
11 months ago
Anonymous
modern FXAA is alright-ish, but almost nobody uses it
TAA is fine if you use image sharpening on AMD gpu through drivers or some side tool for nvidia gpu with same sharpening tech, which is a part of most reshaders now
why u make this thread every week? fsr is just easier to implement and works on every card. while dlss takes time and money to implement and you have to deal with different versions because X dlss only works with certain nvidia cards while Y dlss works with other nvidia cards.
it's just a mess
ironically, the crysis 2 tesselation nosense gave us per app tesselation control and forced amd to improve tesselation on their cards so in the end it was a net positive
This.
FSR is always available because it doesn't cost them anything. AMD partnerships are just them going "Yeah, we worked with AMD to make sure their features work as good as possible"
AMD isn't paying studios to not use DLSS - That makes no sense. Studios who have AMD partnerships simply refuse to support DLSS because they assume that FSR is good enough already.
If you wanna complain - Target the studio not AMD.
>Studios who have AMD partnerships simply refuse to support DLSS because they assume that FSR is good enough already.
It's good enough, yes, but the main reason is that it's simpler for multiplat development as they can use it on all three main platforms, whereas DLSS would be extra cost for PC only.
DLSS is going to become irrelevant because Nvidia will exit the gaming business. Their consumer GPU revenue has already halved while the datacenter sales are booming, we'll probably see 2 more generations of Geforce before they're done.
Anon
NVIDIA is committing the same mistakes that led 3dfx Interactive out of the market and they getting bought by guess who? Nvidia
History always repeats itself with new actors.
MSAA doesn’t work with deferred rendering and is too performance intensive and the other two suck ass even compared to TAA.
TAA sucks ass because they tied that shit to monitors refresh rate.
MSAA these days isn't taxing anymore, same goes to the other two.
But again, game devs these days cant be arced to innovate because NVIDIA calls the shots like 3dfx did.
>NVIDIA is committing the same mistakes that led 3dfx Interactive out of the market
Mate, having a dud generation isn't going to drive anyone out of business. The 4000 series may be a ridiculous meme, but Nvidia has dominated the market and is big enough to sail through it. Remember that Amd managed to survive their godawful period in between Phenom and Ryzen, over half a decade of complete Intel domination.
amd had gpu division, polaris pulled company out of debt and then zen pushed it into proper competition
nvidia has only gpus. nvidia stock is so volatile because they got only one product.
Polaris literally didn't even have high end cards, they conceded the entire share to Nvidia at the time.
11 months ago
Anonymous
so what? it made a lot of money. which is baffling how stupid radeon marketing got, they think they have ryzen brand power and push prices to nvidia moron level only to lower it 3 months later to what it should've been to being with
> MSAA these days isn't taxing anymore, same goes to the other two.
How is it not demanding? You render the same scene multiple times to get samples. And it only starts to look really good at a 4x factor. Its almost as bad as running a 4K resolution in a 1080p card.
modern FXAA is alright-ish, but almost nobody uses it
TAA is fine if you use image sharpening on AMD gpu through drivers or some side tool for nvidia gpu with same sharpening tech, which is a part of most reshaders now
FXAA is still a wide blur all over the screen. It looks horrible.
MSAA? It looks better, sure, but it is simply not viable.
If you are talking about FXAA, it doesn’t remove aliasing and looks worse than both FSR and DLSS.
Sounds bullshit but I could imagine Nvidia just leaving the mid-range gpu market entirely and only using their reject datacentre dies for halo gaming products. 5090 32gb and 5090 16gb models and nothing else. And no selling of dies to aibs, just emulate apple.
Data center and AI sales are going to crater soon when Nvidia loses its monopoly and then all they'll have is a middling gaming market that absolutely hates them.
There are already tonnes of companies getting in on the AI hardware train, with open source software and who won't charge 8000% markup.
it doesn't have a monopoly, amd gpus in datacenter take up to 40% from last I heard
amd made epyc instinc which is this weird platform of GPU/CPU on one socket that takes ground too
nvidia is overvalued, on this note, I would still recommend getting a new GPU now, whichever brand you prefer, because we are moving from mining craze to AI craze for the next couple years
Why do Nvidia shills always claim that AMD is the rich big bad who buys all the reviewers and sponsorships?
Nvidia is like 3-4 times bigger than AMD is at this point. In the last months Nvidia made more money than AMD is worth as a whole yet AMD are the ones who bully them and crush them with evil partnership deals?
AMD themselves said they have no idea why games sponsored by them have no DLSS support. It's not something they decided.
DLSS is proprietary Nvidia shit so studios have to pay for it in order to get it implemented and for many that's just too much especially if FSR is free and available on every modern GPU no matter the brand
Because FSR looks worse and AMD knows they cant stand direct comparison.
Nvidia on the other hand is confident in DLSS looking better so allowing FSR just makes them look even better by comparison.
There is no other explanation, AMD sponsored games use the same shitty engines all other games use and enabling DLSS is essentially done by just toggling it on. This is why modders are able to inject it too. You dont have to pay NVidia blood money to include it.
The posters above are just typical Ganker moron tribalists who have to pick a side to support unquestionably rather than accepting that corporations aren't their friends even when are the underdogs like AMD.
>modders can bruteforce it into games so that means developers can do it too
Let me guess. You also wouldn't pay for codecs because you could just download them from whatever site instead of following the terms of service and make a deal with the developers?
Yeah. I am sure this won't land you a lawsuit. Go ahead genius.
DLSS is freely available to all developers. When I referred to modders injecting it, i was speaking of how trivial it is to include it, not the licensing costs.
I will always support FSR over DLSS.
FSR can take an OLD card or even old intergrated graphics, no matter who they were produced by, and let them run modern games. FSR keeps the 1060 viable. DLSS can only be used on newer NVidia cards which should not even require upscaling considering they cost as much as a used car.
Yep. FSR is opensource and free for anyone to use no matter what GPU they are using while Nvidias DLSS is proprietary and officially supporting it means licensing it from Nvidia.
it hasnt cost anything since 2021. corporation tribalists are unironically resorting to lies to defend what they perceive as "their friends". not a chance amd would ever do anything anti-consumer.
A reminder that ALL FSR2 games can be MODDED to add DLSS. In addition, ALL DLSS2 games can also be modded to add FSR2. The only case where you CANNOT do this is if the game as a blatant anti consumer ANTI CHEAT SYSTEM in place.
I'm running a 8GB 5700XT and play everything at 1440p on high settings. Never dips below 80 fps.
So I ask again, what in the frick are they running that gimps their performance so hard they have to downscale?
in performance mode and its basically a 6600xt. people are buying rtx 4090s and enabling dlss quality 1440p which is 1707x960 or worse than 1080p which is what xbox series s a $300 console runs its games at.
>muh fake frames
Literally everything is programming is "fake".
I don't see you complaining about "fake calculations" when an algorithm does something that would otherwise require a lot of manual computations.
> people are buying rtx 4090s and enabling dlss quality 1440p
No one with a 4090 uses DLSS in1440p unless it’s those meme tech demo real time pathtraced settings.
Consoles are using upscaling too lol. We're somehow on the third gen since companies declared "full HD" consoles and games are still releasing at native 720p sub 60 fps.
they do it tastefully though. quality mode is native 4k or native 1440p. performance mode is upscaled with fsr or checkerboard. but still native or fsr1 is better than whatever dlss quality 1440p ai frickery you enable.
in performance mode and its basically a 6600xt. people are buying rtx 4090s and enabling dlss quality 1440p which is 1707x960 or worse than 1080p which is what xbox series s a $300 console runs its games at.
>muh fake frames
Literally everything is programming is "fake".
I don't see you complaining about "fake calculations" when an algorithm does something that would otherwise require a lot of manual computations.
raytracing is fake. so are cube maps and prebaked lighting. but one takes up 1000% more system resources and the other doesn't while achieving nearly similar results. the only differences are time spent making. time is money to these companies so they choose the shorter time route which has higher system requirements.
>proprietary.
FSR is open source like everything that AMD did in the past. DLSS is proprietary like NVIDIA like to have it their way since forever except this time AMD owns the console market so frick you njewdia
I dont even know why people use dlss antialiasing or whatever other random shit out there, every single game looks blurry as frick, why the frick would you use something that make your screen have glaucoma
Why would AMD block DLSS in some sponsored games and not others? More likely, they're paying and helping developers integrate FSR 2.0+ into their games, then devs, who tend to do the bare minimum, don't bother adding DLSS because FSR already covers all of their playerbase. Conversely, when Nvidia pays devs to integrate DLSS in their game first, the non-Nvidia portion of their playerbase would be left with no upscaling solution if they don't add FSR or XeSS, so they add them.
I'm not saying it's impossible there's no foul play going on, but PC gamers are such moronic Nvidia wienersuckers and believed this story with nothing but very weak evidence. I'm glad they are being and will continue to be shit on by Jensen with overpriced garbage GPUs for all eternity. And journos who ran with the moronic WCCFTech article that started this and didn't bother asking actual game devs what's going on worthless.
FSR can even be used – and is used quite extensively – on consoles. It's the de-facto standard upscaling solution on consoles nowadays.
Even Nintendo added FSR1 in Tears of the Kingdom, because it's open-source and anyone can make use of it for free. Emulators started supporting it as well because why the frick not.
>Nvidia fricks over Radeon with shady practices for 23 years >It’s only when AMD does the same that suddenly gamers care
Lmao at you corporate wienersuckers.
PC gamers are subhuman. They keep slurping green semen, then cry every time NVidia releases an even shittier generation of GPUs than the last. until about 10 years ago, AMD were releasing affordable GPUs that kept selling like shit, so they stopped even trying and just price match Nvidia with a slight discount for missing features.
Looking forward to AMD exiting the desktop GPU market once they hit under 5% market share.
>so they stopped even trying
well maybe if they didn't stop trying and hired enough codemonkeys to make them proper drivers there would be a reason to buy amd?
nobody fricking cares about hardware with no features and only trannies care about troonix
Even funnier, they're complaining about something nvidia is doing while blaming amd
Amd isn't the one forcing people to pay nvidia for its proprietary dlss
performance > image quality that stopped mattering since like 2016 maybe earlier
imagine having console tier fps just because your moronation tells you to have the biggest number in resolution tab
lmao, classic ayymd. zero innovation, just make an inferior copy of what nvidia does and pay gaming companies to block support for nvidia.
how ridiculous is it that intel is the only hope for competent competition against nvidia on the gpu market, AMD clearly ain't it. we're fricked.
Why do AMD dick riders always resort to lying? You do understand it just makes Radeon look even worse, right? DLSS doesn't cost a penny to implement and FSR wasn't a thing until years after nvidia announced DLSS so calling dlss a copy is just a ridiculous level of dishonesty, you're attempting to present a completely inverse situation.
Why do AMD dick riders always resort to lying? You do understand it just makes Radeon look even worse, right? DLSS doesn't cost a penny to implement and FSR wasn't a thing until years after nvidia announced DLSS so calling dlss a copy is just a ridiculous level of dishonesty, you're attempting to present a completely inverse situation.
why did nvidia force games into having tessellation?
why did nvidia force games into having gimpworks when even their cards struggled to run them and AMD had tressfx and other alternatives?
was it to "improve" games or just frick up AMD performance because a lot of tessellated shit kept running in the background even with the option off? >it's ok when israelitevidia does it
>Why is Nvidia allowing FSR
because after 2 decades of knowing fanboy will buy their cards no matter the gimmicks they just don't care about AMD anymore
I love proprietary tech consolizing the PC market. I really can't get enough of consumer homosexuals like OP desperately justifying the team they chose with their money. It's so entertaining.
it's other way around, AMD isn't blocking anything, nvidia won't let you put DLSS in unless you put nvidia rtx logo on it
people are confused, FSR is open source and can be put in any game on notification basis
DLSS requires extensive Nvidia cooperation, you need to give nvidia full access to the game, they don't let you simply copy dlls like modders do it
that's just a tool, that's not how corporation relations work
you can't simply add a tech to a game owned by another corporation
I may be wrong about FSR on notification basis, it is probably used for console versions which lets devs add it to pc easily without much lawyer bullshit
He’s right, though. You literally can. You can even mod it into other games. Because the source code is available to the public, because the license allows it and because Nvidia publicly offers a SDK on github.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Are the supercomputers that simulate player playing the game and capture all the viewpoints that player can see while playing the game for reducing artifacting and improving the upscale available to everyone?
Dumb homosexual.
Its like getting a copy f frontend of some site without having access to the backhand.
11 months ago
Anonymous
people tend to forget that proper DLSS integration involves sending all game assets to nvidia to upscale the textures to 16k for hundreds of hours
11 months ago
Anonymous
No, moron. You're clueless. Both FSR2 and DLSS2 don't require that.
11 months ago
Anonymous
you do not understand what proper integration means, DLSS only on software level is same quality as FSR because you can't invent textures on the fly
nobody in their sane mind would risk even 1% possibility of a lawsuit
if there is no contract no tech for any big money title, lets take starfield as recent example
say game sells 15m copies, nvidia goes to court saying they used our tech to promote our competition. nvidia can ask a pretty decent percentage of profits for this.
I vaguely remember precedent like this in some news, but could be wrong.
>NVIDIA sponsored titles fricking over AMD for decades >AMD does a half assed job once and the internet loses its mind
Damn, NVIDIA really be like that.
nah, that's from steam surveys
do the math, steam accounts ~150m
20% of it got pretty decent GPUs, other 80% is 1060s and laptops playing dota and other shit
that is a lot of people with decent gpus
i'm so glad this is finally getting traction
been saying for years how anti-consumer they are when they sponsor a game, it's almost a death sentence for the quality of a PC port. They don't work with developers at all and just blacklist all of Nvidia's techs
All I care about is that at the moment AMD parts are like at most 5-10% worse than their Intel/Nvidia counterparts but cost 20%+ less, so I'm building my new PC with ayymd parts.
>5600 is superior to 12400
Not really. The 12400 used to trade blows with the 5600x, with varying performance depending on the use case. The small performance loss from the non-x doesn’t do it any favors in an already close comparison.
But the X literally doesn't mean anything other than having an X in the name. Ayymd throws an X at the end of the name if they slightly increased the clock, with a non-X the only "downside" is maybe losing on the silicon lottery and not being able to OC as much.
the new 3d CPU is hinted to be the most OP shit ever at cost save value for gaming and work in general, and is AM4 and DDR4 compatible.
Jhewtel is desperate to work on lower nm scale but they keep fricking up the process.
>at raytracing
That's the thing, Nvidia is good at shit I don't care about. I want high framerate 1080 gaymen and don't really care for eye candy, AMD is so much cheaper for that.
I have strong preference for Nvidia but i do not mind amd doing everything they can to get more share of the market. Nvidia being so dominant sucks for me as consumer.
Speaqking of NVIDIA
All reviews are out, the 4060 sucks ass harder than the ti version and is also overpriced and full of faulty issues on the long run.
Because DLSS looks like straight horses ass if not trained on the game first. As seen in every game they put it in without supercomputer training having horrible ghosting and trails (dead space remake, cyberpunk on launch, etc). And FSR is basically not even comparable it's just like a lanczos upscale
DLSS isn't trained on the game (not since early versions). Ghosting and trails is only an issue in extreme cases in newer versions of DLSS. If your game has some form of TAA you'll get ghosting and trails anyway with FSR.
>upscaling could actually be a good thing on low tier cards >nvidia gimped everything in the 4000 series but the 4090 and jacked up prices >keep marketing DLSS with their 4090 as if anyone buying one wouldnt be running native settings >jensen outright saying this is the new normal
intel please save pc gaming
the hope is either for the market to completely crash so both parties have to fix their shit or someone inventing a completely different and way better way to do computers so both parties eat shit
AMD sponsored games block DLSS. Nvidia sponsored games usually have FSR and DLSS.
Nvidia even praises modders when they force DLSS into a game, like when it was added to the recent Star Wars game that ran like shit without it.
DLSS might not technically be open source, but they're very open about it being unofficially added to shit. They've changed stance on a lot of proprietary things too, like G-Sync, which can be used with AMD GPUs, and how Nvidia GPUs can use Freesync.
They have a good reason for not letting AMD use DLSS, and that's because it's literally impossible to run on their GPUs.
All AMD does is keep boosting GPU power, undercutting Nvidia by a bit, and create shitty post-process filters pretending to be real upscalers. They have no desire to actually improve their hardware and will simply pay for DLSS to go away.
>AMD does a shitty anti-consumer thing, something all corporations tend to do >175 replies, 21 files and 79 posters of AMDgays reeing about how NVidia users suck corporate wiener and are blind fanboys, FSR is infinitely superior to DLSS which is just NVidia's pale copy, Huang this, brainwashed that, all NVidia users are subhuman, claims that developers actually have to pay millions to NVidia to use DLSS and so on
Jesus Christ. Are AMDgays always like this or is this thread just an unforunate anomaly? I've never seen people this rabid about a PC hardware company before. Even people who buy only NVidia admit their prices are horseshit and the 4000 series is a disappointment.
Because DLSS is evil and FSR is not.
DLSS is NVIDIA Proprietary technology. FSR is open source.
Or
>Nvidia sponsors a game
>People test out both
>”Wow DLSS looks so much better”
>AMD sponsors a game
>People test out both
>”Wow DLSS looks so much better”
AMD doesn’t want comparisons
AMD already said they aren't paying developers to keep DLSS out
The developers simply can't be arsed to include it.
>upscaling
>looks better
Upscaling legitimately looks better than non-4K native in most modern games because of TAA bluriness. And only 5 high-end cards can run games comfortably in 4K native. The cheapest one of them is a 6900xt which still sell for like $600.
For everything under that, you do better by using upscaling and DLSS is the objectively superior form of upscaling.
It is far more easier and less taxing to merge MSAA+SMAA+FXAA into one thing,
it works and there is no jagged edges.
MSAA doesn’t work with deferred rendering and is too performance intensive and the other two suck ass even compared to TAA.
modern FXAA is alright-ish, but almost nobody uses it
TAA is fine if you use image sharpening on AMD gpu through drivers or some side tool for nvidia gpu with same sharpening tech, which is a part of most reshaders now
https://github.com/NVIDIA/DLSS
hmmm
why u make this thread every week? fsr is just easier to implement and works on every card. while dlss takes time and money to implement and you have to deal with different versions because X dlss only works with certain nvidia cards while Y dlss works with other nvidia cards.
it's just a mess
now defend crisis 2 mr marketer
ironically, the crysis 2 tesselation nosense gave us per app tesselation control and forced amd to improve tesselation on their cards so in the end it was a net positive
FSR - Anyone can implement them in their games
DLSS - You have to spend shekels on israelitevidia to use DLSS
This.
FSR is always available because it doesn't cost them anything. AMD partnerships are just them going "Yeah, we worked with AMD to make sure their features work as good as possible"
AMD isn't paying studios to not use DLSS - That makes no sense. Studios who have AMD partnerships simply refuse to support DLSS because they assume that FSR is good enough already.
If you wanna complain - Target the studio not AMD.
>Studios who have AMD partnerships simply refuse to support DLSS because they assume that FSR is good enough already.
It's good enough, yes, but the main reason is that it's simpler for multiplat development as they can use it on all three main platforms, whereas DLSS would be extra cost for PC only.
It's because AMD knows its FSR 2 technology can't compete with DLSS and doesn't want it compared to DLSS in games it sponsors.
DLSS is going to become irrelevant because Nvidia will exit the gaming business. Their consumer GPU revenue has already halved while the datacenter sales are booming, we'll probably see 2 more generations of Geforce before they're done.
imagine saying outright bullshit just because you fricked up by buying an amd card and now have to justify your purchase
Anon
NVIDIA is committing the same mistakes that led 3dfx Interactive out of the market and they getting bought by guess who? Nvidia
History always repeats itself with new actors.
TAA sucks ass because they tied that shit to monitors refresh rate.
MSAA these days isn't taxing anymore, same goes to the other two.
But again, game devs these days cant be arced to innovate because NVIDIA calls the shots like 3dfx did.
>NVIDIA is committing the same mistakes that led 3dfx Interactive out of the market
Mate, having a dud generation isn't going to drive anyone out of business. The 4000 series may be a ridiculous meme, but Nvidia has dominated the market and is big enough to sail through it. Remember that Amd managed to survive their godawful period in between Phenom and Ryzen, over half a decade of complete Intel domination.
amd had gpu division, polaris pulled company out of debt and then zen pushed it into proper competition
nvidia has only gpus. nvidia stock is so volatile because they got only one product.
Polaris literally didn't even have high end cards, they conceded the entire share to Nvidia at the time.
so what? it made a lot of money. which is baffling how stupid radeon marketing got, they think they have ryzen brand power and push prices to nvidia moron level only to lower it 3 months later to what it should've been to being with
> MSAA these days isn't taxing anymore, same goes to the other two.
How is it not demanding? You render the same scene multiple times to get samples. And it only starts to look really good at a 4x factor. Its almost as bad as running a 4K resolution in a 1080p card.
FXAA is still a wide blur all over the screen. It looks horrible.
Is still better than upscaling shit on the long run
MSAA? It looks better, sure, but it is simply not viable.
If you are talking about FXAA, it doesn’t remove aliasing and looks worse than both FSR and DLSS.
Sounds bullshit but I could imagine Nvidia just leaving the mid-range gpu market entirely and only using their reject datacentre dies for halo gaming products. 5090 32gb and 5090 16gb models and nothing else. And no selling of dies to aibs, just emulate apple.
Data center and AI sales are going to crater soon when Nvidia loses its monopoly and then all they'll have is a middling gaming market that absolutely hates them.
There are already tonnes of companies getting in on the AI hardware train, with open source software and who won't charge 8000% markup.
it doesn't have a monopoly, amd gpus in datacenter take up to 40% from last I heard
amd made epyc instinc which is this weird platform of GPU/CPU on one socket that takes ground too
nvidia is overvalued, on this note, I would still recommend getting a new GPU now, whichever brand you prefer, because we are moving from mining craze to AI craze for the next couple years
Nvidia knows they don't need to block competition's services in order to win.
moronic Nvidia shilling braindead Black folk
Multiple people have already answered it but you just can't fricking read
Possibly the most moronic take on the board today, and there are ms vs ftc threads going on
FSR is open source as far as I know. DLSS is proprietary.
Also
>unironically using meme upscaling
>FSR2
>works on my 1660ti
>DLSS
>doesn't work on my 1660ti
AMD is clearly my ally here.
Have you managed to find any use for it? I've tried using FSR once Darktide on my 1660ti and it did literally nothing to improve my framerate.
Made Hogwarts run well at 1440p for me. Hoping Starfield will have it too.
based AMD looking out for the ones nvidia left behind
Why do Nvidia shills always claim that AMD is the rich big bad who buys all the reviewers and sponsorships?
Nvidia is like 3-4 times bigger than AMD is at this point. In the last months Nvidia made more money than AMD is worth as a whole yet AMD are the ones who bully them and crush them with evil partnership deals?
It takes a massive denial of reality to justify buying from a corporation that themes itself on a cardinal sin
AMD themselves said they have no idea why games sponsored by them have no DLSS support. It's not something they decided.
DLSS is proprietary Nvidia shit so studios have to pay for it in order to get it implemented and for many that's just too much especially if FSR is free and available on every modern GPU no matter the brand
Because FSR looks worse and AMD knows they cant stand direct comparison.
Nvidia on the other hand is confident in DLSS looking better so allowing FSR just makes them look even better by comparison.
There is no other explanation, AMD sponsored games use the same shitty engines all other games use and enabling DLSS is essentially done by just toggling it on. This is why modders are able to inject it too. You dont have to pay NVidia blood money to include it.
The posters above are just typical Ganker moron tribalists who have to pick a side to support unquestionably rather than accepting that corporations aren't their friends even when are the underdogs like AMD.
>modders can bruteforce it into games so that means developers can do it too
Let me guess. You also wouldn't pay for codecs because you could just download them from whatever site instead of following the terms of service and make a deal with the developers?
Yeah. I am sure this won't land you a lawsuit. Go ahead genius.
DLSS is freely available to all developers. When I referred to modders injecting it, i was speaking of how trivial it is to include it, not the licensing costs.
FSR is inferior so they probably don't want to have easy, direct comparisons between DLSS and FSR.
I will always support FSR over DLSS.
FSR can take an OLD card or even old intergrated graphics, no matter who they were produced by, and let them run modern games. FSR keeps the 1060 viable. DLSS can only be used on newer NVidia cards which should not even require upscaling considering they cost as much as a used car.
You literally have to make an agreement with Nvidia to use DLSS, whereas FSR is open source
Do developers have to pay to use DLSS in their game? That would explain things.
Otherwise this is a bad look for AMD.
Yep. FSR is opensource and free for anyone to use no matter what GPU they are using while Nvidias DLSS is proprietary and officially supporting it means licensing it from Nvidia.
it hasnt cost anything since 2021. corporation tribalists are unironically resorting to lies to defend what they perceive as "their friends". not a chance amd would ever do anything anti-consumer.
imagine positing the idea it costs money and then getting mad about how silly that sounds
Free, and it also streamlines integration of fsr and Intel's.
>open-source FSR
>proprietary DLSS
wow, AMD so bad, kek
DLSS isn't open source and requires propietary tech.
Same way they cucked people out of paying their $300 NVIDIA premium for their goysync scam.
AMDs FSR:
>open source
>free
>works on basicly any relevant GPU be it an old 1050 Ti or a brand new 7900 XTX or 4090 RTX
Nvidias DLSS
>proprietary
>requires officially licensing
>only works on current generation Nvidia GPUs
"What the frick AMD why are you doing this! Frick FSR every game should only use DLSS!"
>requires officially licensing
It doesn't.
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/Streamline
Rest is correct.
isn't 2018 anymore, there's 3 generations of Nvidia cards with dlss support now.
And you know how many nV users own those cards?
Less than half.
>FSR: none
>DLSS: none
Based halo and wowchads. No game should rely on those crutches to run well.
WoW supports FSR1 now. FSR2 and DLSS can't be added because the game doesn't use TAA.
A reminder that ALL FSR2 games can be MODDED to add DLSS. In addition, ALL DLSS2 games can also be modded to add FSR2. The only case where you CANNOT do this is if the game as a blatant anti consumer ANTI CHEAT SYSTEM in place.
Why the frick are you tards using even using upscaling tech and not playing at native res?
playing on something lower than a 4090 when modern devs don't know what optimization means.
What are you even playing that requires you to run shit at fake resolutions?
PC homosexuals are literally playing at worse resolution than consoles but are so blind they go "IT'S BETTER THAN NATIVE!"
I'm running a 8GB 5700XT and play everything at 1440p on high settings. Never dips below 80 fps.
So I ask again, what in the frick are they running that gimps their performance so hard they have to downscale?
The only people who care about shit like FSR or DLSS are shitters who play mainstream AAA garbage
The TLOU2, Jedi Survivor, Hogwartz Legacy audience.
in other words games with raytracing or high memory bus requirements. dlss/fsr is meant to alleviate the memory constraints on gpus.
I pirated Hogwarts and even on my mediocre 8GB VRAM rig it runs pretty well despite the shit optimization.
ah yes, unlike true upscaled motion blur depth of field gaytraced 480p 30FPS 1y old kekmake for 99$ + tip, lel
FF16 runs at 720p by the way.
in performance mode and its basically a 6600xt. people are buying rtx 4090s and enabling dlss quality 1440p which is 1707x960 or worse than 1080p which is what xbox series s a $300 console runs its games at.
>b-b-but
No tears, only PS3 fidelity now.
You are a real Black person with a fake brain.
>only PS3 fidelity now
Nvidia is giving it to ya
> people are buying rtx 4090s and enabling dlss quality 1440p
No one with a 4090 uses DLSS in1440p unless it’s those meme tech demo real time pathtraced settings.
Consoles are using upscaling too lol. We're somehow on the third gen since companies declared "full HD" consoles and games are still releasing at native 720p sub 60 fps.
they do it tastefully though. quality mode is native 4k or native 1440p. performance mode is upscaled with fsr or checkerboard. but still native or fsr1 is better than whatever dlss quality 1440p ai frickery you enable.
>tasteful upscaling
consoletards really are something, is 15 fps tasteful too because it's closer to cinematic 24fps?
It's almost painful to think the fricking gamecube has more locked 60fps titles than any modern console gen does.
>bc
>performance mode
People want to be able to claim that they can play at 4k/60FPS when in reality their mid tier GPU at best can handle shitty 720p upscales.
So they tell themselves that options like DLSS and FSR are basicly "just as good" as native 4k
FSR is thrash.
Maybe FSR3 will be good, but right now it's trash.
I haven't used DLSS but FSR always looks like shit.
>muh fake frames
Literally everything is programming is "fake".
I don't see you complaining about "fake calculations" when an algorithm does something that would otherwise require a lot of manual computations.
raytracing is fake. so are cube maps and prebaked lighting. but one takes up 1000% more system resources and the other doesn't while achieving nearly similar results. the only differences are time spent making. time is money to these companies so they choose the shorter time route which has higher system requirements.
>while achieving nearly similar results
Stop parroting this meme.
Why did rasterizers initially winp out against ray tracing
nvidia is scummy but gives you bleeding edge tech and makes sure shit works
amd is just scummy
>upscaling
not even once
>proprietary.
FSR is open source like everything that AMD did in the past. DLSS is proprietary like NVIDIA like to have it their way since forever except this time AMD owns the console market so frick you njewdia
Fake pixels for fake persons.
Quite possibly the stupidest OP I've seen this month
FRICK TAA
BLURRY SHIT
FSR works on any GPU until AMD release the proprietary FSR 3 Frame generation which makes up frames like DLSS 3.
I dont even know why people use dlss antialiasing or whatever other random shit out there, every single game looks blurry as frick, why the frick would you use something that make your screen have glaucoma
I don't need to talk about tech with troglodytes who maximize frame rate at the cost of image quality.
yet you still here, techchad, lel
Why would AMD block DLSS in some sponsored games and not others? More likely, they're paying and helping developers integrate FSR 2.0+ into their games, then devs, who tend to do the bare minimum, don't bother adding DLSS because FSR already covers all of their playerbase. Conversely, when Nvidia pays devs to integrate DLSS in their game first, the non-Nvidia portion of their playerbase would be left with no upscaling solution if they don't add FSR or XeSS, so they add them.
I'm not saying it's impossible there's no foul play going on, but PC gamers are such moronic Nvidia wienersuckers and believed this story with nothing but very weak evidence. I'm glad they are being and will continue to be shit on by Jensen with overpriced garbage GPUs for all eternity. And journos who ran with the moronic WCCFTech article that started this and didn't bother asking actual game devs what's going on worthless.
FSR can even be used – and is used quite extensively – on consoles. It's the de-facto standard upscaling solution on consoles nowadays.
Even Nintendo added FSR1 in Tears of the Kingdom, because it's open-source and anyone can make use of it for free. Emulators started supporting it as well because why the frick not.
Because the SDK that you use to implement DLSS lets you easily add FSR. Just a matter of adding the libraries and setting a couple values to true.
FSR is implemented in a compute shader you troglodyte. that's like asking why amd lets nvidia draw pixels. homosexual
>ULTRA performance
So it does exactly what it's supposed to?
dlss has ghosting no matter what setting
Stop lying.
>Nvidia fricks over Radeon with shady practices for 23 years
>It’s only when AMD does the same that suddenly gamers care
Lmao at you corporate wienersuckers.
PC gamers are subhuman. They keep slurping green semen, then cry every time NVidia releases an even shittier generation of GPUs than the last. until about 10 years ago, AMD were releasing affordable GPUs that kept selling like shit, so they stopped even trying and just price match Nvidia with a slight discount for missing features.
Looking forward to AMD exiting the desktop GPU market once they hit under 5% market share.
>so they stopped even trying
well maybe if they didn't stop trying and hired enough codemonkeys to make them proper drivers there would be a reason to buy amd?
nobody fricking cares about hardware with no features and only trannies care about troonix
Even funnier, they're complaining about something nvidia is doing while blaming amd
Amd isn't the one forcing people to pay nvidia for its proprietary dlss
performance > image quality that stopped mattering since like 2016 maybe earlier
imagine having console tier fps just because your moronation tells you to have the biggest number in resolution tab
lmao, classic ayymd. zero innovation, just make an inferior copy of what nvidia does and pay gaming companies to block support for nvidia.
how ridiculous is it that intel is the only hope for competent competition against nvidia on the gpu market, AMD clearly ain't it. we're fricked.
nvidia is blocking support for nvidia by asking for money for their proprietary copy of FSR moron
>you have to pay for their free open source tech
Link me the source code for DLSS, moron
damn that was the fastest someone destroyed nvidiot drones I've ever seen on here
Download unreal engine and scrape it out yourself lazy homosexual. It's built into it and takes 1 click, not even lines of codes to enable it
Why do AMD dick riders always resort to lying? You do understand it just makes Radeon look even worse, right? DLSS doesn't cost a penny to implement and FSR wasn't a thing until years after nvidia announced DLSS so calling dlss a copy is just a ridiculous level of dishonesty, you're attempting to present a completely inverse situation.
>Why is dat when devlopers use da free thing primarily they dont use the paid thing
Gee what a fricking mystery.
why did nvidia force games into having tessellation?
why did nvidia force games into having gimpworks when even their cards struggled to run them and AMD had tressfx and other alternatives?
was it to "improve" games or just frick up AMD performance because a lot of tessellated shit kept running in the background even with the option off?
>it's ok when israelitevidia does it
dont you need to train the dlss per game? with thousands of hours of footage? while fsr just smudges shit on the fly.
No, that was DLSS1 and it was trash. DLSS2 isn't trained on a per game basis. This whole story is still most likely BS, though.
>why is nvidia allowing FSR
Because FSR is on AMD CPUs.
>Why is Nvidia allowing FSR
because after 2 decades of knowing fanboy will buy their cards no matter the gimmicks they just don't care about AMD anymore
>FSR
>works on everything
>DLSS
>only works on NVIDIA
Gee I wonder why Devs are opting for FSR
are you dumb, Black person?
I love proprietary tech consolizing the PC market. I really can't get enough of consumer homosexuals like OP desperately justifying the team they chose with their money. It's so entertaining.
it's other way around, AMD isn't blocking anything, nvidia won't let you put DLSS in unless you put nvidia rtx logo on it
people are confused, FSR is open source and can be put in any game on notification basis
DLSS requires extensive Nvidia cooperation, you need to give nvidia full access to the game, they don't let you simply copy dlls like modders do it
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/Streamline
You can add DLSS, Reflex without noVideo's blessing.
XeSS as well.
that's just a tool, that's not how corporation relations work
you can't simply add a tech to a game owned by another corporation
I may be wrong about FSR on notification basis, it is probably used for console versions which lets devs add it to pc easily without much lawyer bullshit
You literally can.
Read the license.
Black person you do not understand how DLSS works as a technology.
He’s right, though. You literally can. You can even mod it into other games. Because the source code is available to the public, because the license allows it and because Nvidia publicly offers a SDK on github.
Are the supercomputers that simulate player playing the game and capture all the viewpoints that player can see while playing the game for reducing artifacting and improving the upscale available to everyone?
Dumb homosexual.
Its like getting a copy f frontend of some site without having access to the backhand.
people tend to forget that proper DLSS integration involves sending all game assets to nvidia to upscale the textures to 16k for hundreds of hours
No, moron. You're clueless. Both FSR2 and DLSS2 don't require that.
you do not understand what proper integration means, DLSS only on software level is same quality as FSR because you can't invent textures on the fly
nobody in their sane mind would risk even 1% possibility of a lawsuit
if there is no contract no tech for any big money title, lets take starfield as recent example
say game sells 15m copies, nvidia goes to court saying they used our tech to promote our competition. nvidia can ask a pretty decent percentage of profits for this.
I vaguely remember precedent like this in some news, but could be wrong.
>NVIDIA sponsored titles fricking over AMD for decades
>AMD does a half assed job once and the internet loses its mind
Damn, NVIDIA really be like that.
>when nvidia game runs badly on AMD/AMD machine it's AMD problem
>when game runs "badly" on intel/nvidia machine it's game devs suck
i cant believe people actually use these meme techs instead of just buying the proper gpu for their resolution
Only around 20% of gaymers have 3060+ class GPU.
nah, that's from steam surveys
do the math, steam accounts ~150m
20% of it got pretty decent GPUs, other 80% is 1060s and laptops playing dota and other shit
that is a lot of people with decent gpus
i'm so glad this is finally getting traction
been saying for years how anti-consumer they are when they sponsor a game, it's almost a death sentence for the quality of a PC port. They don't work with developers at all and just blacklist all of Nvidia's techs
>for years
>AMD sponsored games ran badly on nvidia only for 2 years
frick off, AMD sponsored meant runs flawlessly only 3 years back
All I care about is that at the moment AMD parts are like at most 5-10% worse than their Intel/Nvidia counterparts but cost 20%+ less, so I'm building my new PC with ayymd parts.
so, now?
7900xtx is $800 faster than 4080
7700x is $350, about as fast as 13700k
In my case I got a 5600, it's slightly slower than a 12400f but it was cheaper when combined with the mobo.
5600 is superior to 12400. at release it used to suck because price was stupid, but now 5600 is pretty good proper 6 core cpu.
>5600 is superior to 12400
Not really. The 12400 used to trade blows with the 5600x, with varying performance depending on the use case. The small performance loss from the non-x doesn’t do it any favors in an already close comparison.
But the X literally doesn't mean anything other than having an X in the name. Ayymd throws an X at the end of the name if they slightly increased the clock, with a non-X the only "downside" is maybe losing on the silicon lottery and not being able to OC as much.
the new 3d CPU is hinted to be the most OP shit ever at cost save value for gaming and work in general, and is AM4 and DDR4 compatible.
Jhewtel is desperate to work on lower nm scale but they keep fricking up the process.
Their engineers forgot how to bend silicon.
Depends on usage, Nvidia cards are still much better at raytracing. Any game with full path tracing support will run poorly on AMD cards.
>at raytracing
That's the thing, Nvidia is good at shit I don't care about. I want high framerate 1080 gaymen and don't really care for eye candy, AMD is so much cheaper for that.
Path tracing and raytracing is still a meme
hand baked lightning and dynamic illumination is still better than that
I have strong preference for Nvidia but i do not mind amd doing everything they can to get more share of the market. Nvidia being so dominant sucks for me as consumer.
Impressively deceitful post
Speaqking of NVIDIA
All reviews are out, the 4060 sucks ass harder than the ti version and is also overpriced and full of faulty issues on the long run.
the 1060 will be the last good -60 card ever baka
im not a fanboy since im not poor but FSR sucks compared to DLSS
if a game only has FSR im running it in native res
Because DLSS looks like straight horses ass if not trained on the game first. As seen in every game they put it in without supercomputer training having horrible ghosting and trails (dead space remake, cyberpunk on launch, etc). And FSR is basically not even comparable it's just like a lanczos upscale
modded in dlss looks a ton better than fsr2 in re4 though.
Idiot, no. Only DLSS1 required per game training. I hate Nvidia and here I have to defends its tech because you people are tards, god.
FSR 1 is lanczos-like, FSR 2 IS jittered low res like DLSS 2
DLSS isn't trained on the game (not since early versions). Ghosting and trails is only an issue in extreme cases in newer versions of DLSS. If your game has some form of TAA you'll get ghosting and trails anyway with FSR.
>upscaling could actually be a good thing on low tier cards
>nvidia gimped everything in the 4000 series but the 4090 and jacked up prices
>keep marketing DLSS with their 4090 as if anyone buying one wouldnt be running native settings
>jensen outright saying this is the new normal
intel please save pc gaming
>save me, my great israelite master shlomo goldberg
a mutt used voice to text to make this post
who else is there to hope for? amd clearly isnt doing anything useful.
the hope is either for the market to completely crash so both parties have to fix their shit or someone inventing a completely different and way better way to do computers so both parties eat shit
because nvidia is completely on top, no matter what amd will throw at them, they'll never win even in consumer market
AMD sponsored games block DLSS. Nvidia sponsored games usually have FSR and DLSS.
Nvidia even praises modders when they force DLSS into a game, like when it was added to the recent Star Wars game that ran like shit without it.
DLSS might not technically be open source, but they're very open about it being unofficially added to shit. They've changed stance on a lot of proprietary things too, like G-Sync, which can be used with AMD GPUs, and how Nvidia GPUs can use Freesync.
They have a good reason for not letting AMD use DLSS, and that's because it's literally impossible to run on their GPUs.
All AMD does is keep boosting GPU power, undercutting Nvidia by a bit, and create shitty post-process filters pretending to be real upscalers. They have no desire to actually improve their hardware and will simply pay for DLSS to go away.
AMD can't into hardware scheduling on 10/11, so no fancy scalers, just a glorified Reshade effect
>AMD does a shitty anti-consumer thing, something all corporations tend to do
>175 replies, 21 files and 79 posters of AMDgays reeing about how NVidia users suck corporate wiener and are blind fanboys, FSR is infinitely superior to DLSS which is just NVidia's pale copy, Huang this, brainwashed that, all NVidia users are subhuman, claims that developers actually have to pay millions to NVidia to use DLSS and so on
Jesus Christ. Are AMDgays always like this or is this thread just an unforunate anomaly? I've never seen people this rabid about a PC hardware company before. Even people who buy only NVidia admit their prices are horseshit and the 4000 series is a disappointment.
What the frick are you talking about? They're anti consumer because they don't have secret knowledge which Nvidia is keeping from them?