Why is the FFXIV playerbase so elitist?
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I'm not being elitist, I'm simply asking you to do more than cast Thunder 2 once and then stare at the enemies.
I don't mean they're elitist to other players in FFXIV, I mean they're elitist to players of other games.
You can answer that question yourself. Just look at the state of literally every other MMO.
here's an example of what i mean by the ffxiv playerbase being elitist
thats not true.
the wow andys are.
ff14 fans are only elitist aggainst wow andys that still think wow is the shit number 1
>thats not true.
of course it's true
what the frick is a andy?
twitch speak for person who likes something a lot
Bull fricking shit. I put 2000 hours in the game and wrote this:
>Overworld has a very limited amount of stuff to do. Aether currents, sightseeing, Maps and mob hunting--FATEs, marks, weather elites are all a different flavor of the same shit
>dungeons are all straight lines, so only a handful of them are legitimately fun to play, so duty finder is always a speedrun to the boss and loot, and you can go months without doing dungeons because the gear you buy endgame or craft will always be better
>It's a good story buried between godawful storytelling--the good parts that players always mention are always during the last 5-10 hours of a 40 hour slog with the only exception being Heavensward and Stormblood (Stormblood's good 5-10 hours was in the middle of the xpac instead.)
>very little quest variety--go here, talk to this npc, the go here and turn in your rat tails. If you want good quests, you have to do Hildebrand or craft
>once you get to endgame, there is very little to do if you don't care about glamming up. It's very easy to spend hours at a time running in circles because the actual MMO (Eureka, Bozja, Deep Dungeons) are done in a month or two of sub time each
>some bosses are ok and the music is very good.
I stopped playing and unsubbed one day after realizing most of the farms in ffxiv are completely pointless. Nothing changes, nothing evolves, you just pick the class that plays like every other class in its role and run the treadmill for glorified Fortnite skins.
The pattern recognition machine that is FFXIV is hard to recommend unless you have played nearly every single ff and get off on fanservice.
But you can't say that here. I was called a WoWgay and told "SHOW YOUR NECROMANCER TITLE BRO". Seriously; frick this community. They will call you a WoWfugee or claim you never played the game. You are literally not allowed to criticize this game.
damn bro thats crazy
Case in point. XIV troons are brick walls. Elitist is putting it mildy when talking about these literally trannies and women's favorite soap opera.
no one cares
>Overworld has a very limited amount of stuff to do. Aether currents, sightseeing, Maps and mob hunting--FATEs, marks, weather elites are all a different flavor of the same shit
True
>dungeons are all straight lines, so only a handful of them are legitimately fun to play, so duty finder is always a speedrun to the boss and loot, and you can go months without doing dungeons because the gear you buy endgame or craft will always be better
True
>It's a good story buried between godawful storytelling--the good parts that players always mention are always during the last 5-10 hours of a 40 hour slog with the only exception being Heavensward and Stormblood (Stormblood's good 5-10 hours was in the middle of the xpac instead.)
Debatable, if you had said you need to get through ARR to get to the better stories you would have had a stronger point
>very little quest variety--go here, talk to this npc, the go here and turn in your rat tails. If you want good quests, you have to do Hildebrand or craft
True
>some bosses are ok and the music is very good.
True
>once you get to endgame, there is very little to do if you don't care about glamming up. It's very easy to spend hours at a time running in circles because the actual MMO (Eureka, Bozja, Deep Dungeons) are done in a month or two of sub time each
True
So now that your arguments are largely accepted, what exactly is your point? No one claims FFXIV is perfect, far from it. It's just the best we have at the moment and by your own admission you have a couple of months of decent play time. I'd argue more if you actually care about raid content in MMO's but either way it seems like you're making arguments for XIV, not against it.
My point is that FFXIV fans don't do what you just did and try to examine or breakdown these points they just kick and scream until you say frick it and leave the thread. It's obnoxious and makes it easy to hate the game in spite of its flaws. They're like KH-gays circa 2007.
If you come into a FFXIV thread and start criticizing it you should have a reason to do so, if you have no point to your argument and are just there to shit on the game people are enjoying then why should they take you seriously? You're bringing nothing, suggesting no alternative, adding nothing to the conversation and just being a downer. On the other hand I spent the last day criticizing the latest patch announcements and the armor set designs because of how they're neglecting certain class aesthetics and despite people licking Yoshis immaculate boots it was generally a fine discussion because there was context and reason for it.
There's fanatics on any game, I won't defend all FFXIV lunatics but anyone who bootlicks P2W/endless grind shit in games like Lost Ark or the censorship in WoW are orders of magnitude worse than FFXIV "gamers"
>If you come into a FFXIV thread and start criticizing it you should have a reason to do so
Yeah, there usually are reasons given, the players just reject them.
What’s the non moronic reason anonymous, come on let’s hear it.
>any reason i disagree with is automatically moronic
>i know this because i'm a narcissist who cannot be wrong
Lol you can’t read and you didn’t give a reason
Yeah, there's always a reason, most of the playerbase just glosses over them and goes through mental hoops defending bad shit. Like, I said that Bozja being unfinished is one of the worst decisions made for the game, and people countered with "Well no one liked Bozja anyways." This is just one example. By your definition, Ganker "shits" on every game instead of criticizing them, but GOD FORBID you treat ffxiv the same way.
the majority of ffxiv players would howl like lunatics at this post and reject every single point.
To add to
I do like FFXIV, but the elitists who shit on LITERALLY everything that isn't FFXIV are everywhere. It's not the worst game by far, but it's players are the worst type of gamer.
I think the problem is that criticism is not welcomed and that the developers are not fixing some of these issues , almost intentionally. For instance, the Relic Weapons (at least ARR Zodiac Relics ) are completely insane levels of grind - EACH. Yeah, the stuff looks cool and even if you want those glams it shouldn't be this fricking tedious. I can think of ways to improve every step of the ARR Relics, not to mention make it so that if you manage to make one of them with all the steps to the end, each one for other subsequent jobs starts at thew 2nd to last form. In any event after all this time it could majorly be improved in countless ways, but despite that applying to nearly every other part of the game (ie you can turn in Grand Company seals for all the rare drop mounts or pets from ARR/Heavenward or Stormblood/Shadowbringers. ) these still are not improved? FRICK I hate needless grind and the "hurrdurr supposed to be a timesink bro back in 2013" isn't a fricking excuse.
The truth is there are a lot of crabs in the bucket who think because they went through that painful grind that you should have to as well and I don't entirely disagree with it when the only reward is just a cosmetic status symbol. It's already far easier/faster than it would have been originally. And to be clear I went through this same painful grind earlier in the year for the first time (played ARR but quit before getting a full relic) so I know it sucks ass. All the early relics sucked ass but at least I have the only good looking Bow in the entire game now, Terpander Lux.
The problem is that "crabs in the bucket" theory harms the game. I'm not saying "completely eliminate any work or time spent" but the original ARR Relics were set up at a time to re-run a limited amount of content and to make the most of it. That isn't necessary now and its stupid to have it continue. Lets not pretend its really made "easier" now just because one time they said "oh on one step you need to kill 3 of each thing instead of 10" or "fine we'll let you use poetics to grind out mysterious maps on one other step". I mean those are a good starts, but they haven't updated anything beyond that. Its still insane levels of grind. At each step of the quest I can see ways they could improve it just about and alternate ways to get credit while doing stuff in/from later expansions or other ways to unlock items.
>ARR Relic Base -
This is actually okay. They could make it so instead of having to run a specific dungeon and/or trial difficulty you could run any of them but this is okay
>ARR Relic Zenith
Again, okay. Only takes 3 Thavarian Mist to the previous stage at the forget
.>ARR Relic Atma
Here's the first big bullshit. You have to go to 12 different zones and grind FATEs to get a specific gem from that zone, while using a Zenith weapon. First, remove the Zenith weapon requirement. The idea you have to equip the particular weapon is stupid especially when a future Relic level won't work. INstead flag the character regardless of class or equipped gear; flagging persists until you clear all the ARR Relics Atma stage. Next, make it so that those zones have 2x the chance of awarding that particular gem, but make them drop from other zones' FATEs for every flagged character, and let them be bought/sold on Market Board.
Out of room but it goes on from here - there are ways to make it take work but be more in line with a cosmetic and evolution/time since.
>First, remove the Zenith weapon requirement
>Grinding to make a weapon stronger but don't have to use the weapon
Soulless
>let them be bought/sold on Market Board
>Paying to skip playing the game
Soulless and arguably mentally ill
Even if you had a point I'd rather they spend development time fixing literally anything else than making a cosmetic easier to get
>Grinding to make a weapon stronger but don't have to use the weapon
If that's your viewpoint of the autism then fine, have the weapon scale to whatever your average iLevel is, but they won't do that because thew whole point is that each step basically adds 10 points to the thing, right? Even if they took away the FATE-limit for particular zones, if it was limited to using the damn item at a particular item level , its inherently limiting because it means that your iLvl70-90 weapon isn't going to do anything more than plink off a FATE of a later expansion for instance. It also means that you can't progress at all if you're not using that particular job, weapon etc. So what is the fricking solution besides "just keep the grind as it is because you like it exactly that grindy and are a bucket crab?"
>Don't like it being bought?
Someone has to find the gems, this gives people a reason to do so and an option to make it easier.
>Development time oh so important elsewhere
They spend much of their time on finding cosmetics to sell for $22 per outfit or $7 to drink tea. Not to mention they have already made other old content easier and more accessible like the aforementioned GC Seal boxes for minions and mounts. Hell you claim that one long ago time they made even Relics easier (slightly) so its not off brand for them to spend time polishing this shit. There's no reason to argue against it except the literal crab bucket no different from any other exclusionist "If 1% of people see/finish the raid that's fine, we need months of keying and repgrinds, I hate dungeon/raid finding tools its TOO EASY I DID IT THE HARD WAY ANYONE WHO DIDNT SUFFER AS I DID FRICK OFF WORSHIP ME FRICKERS" viewpoints. If its "just a cosmetic" they can make it easier - after all it was "hard" for years and people got admiration for the grind back in the day. Lets not justify maintaining bad, tedious shit when there is opportunity for improvement.
>Hell you claim that one long ago time they made even Relics easier (slightly)
They made ARR relics substantially easier, and they're still incredibly tedious, boring and long-winded.
MMOs were always made to cater to the lowest-common-denominator but old ones had an attempt to be technically impressive as well; the "living, breathing world" line that MMO "boomers" like to parrot is referring to Runescape which had farmland mobs that don't respawn. Open your eyes about the games you used to play.
>>They made ARR relics substantially easier, and they're still incredibly tedious, boring and long-winded.
Agreed on them still being tedious, but were they substantially easier? I remember the two changes were either A) 3x per enemy in the books instead of 10x. All other book content the same B) Alexandrite could be poetic-farmed from Mysterious Maps . Still grindy, but less so than having to get it randomly from FATEs etc. Pretty much everything else seems similar to how I remember back in the day and I came back at the tail end of Shadowbringers.
Ah now you see, they'd rather find cosmetics you can buy than those you can unlock in game through play. That has been the pernicious change since the early days. There's a lot of exclusive to buy stuff and old holiday stuff can't even split the difference in that you can either buy it cheap off season or unlock i ngame when it comes round again, but now you can't get old holiday stuff - you HAVE to buy it on the MogStation.
>Just get something else, don't buy/earn it etc
And people who don't want an emote, outfit, mount, minion off the Mog Station for cash can just use one of those in game instead right? You don't NEED those etc.
That justification isn't valid for shitty monetization and its not valid for shitty tedious grindy content either. Doesn't matter if its for a cosmetic or anything else, tedious poor design not being updated in one of the myriad ways that could improve it is always a problem.
>Do it in a day or two
I'm guessing this is only possible if you're A) max level and thus overlevel the content considerably B) are willing to sit and literally grind only on this, for hours and hours, days and days - possibly worse depending on RNG etc. At best this is mind numbingly tedious and you have to dedicate all of your gameplay time to doing so - and thats PER WEAPON. It isn't like if you finish one the long way every other is easy to unlock.
>but now you can't get old holiday stuff - you HAVE to buy it on the MogStation.
As opposed to most games where stuff becomes unobtainable if you miss, this is far better.
False equivalence. In most games (including WoW) if you "miss" a holiday/event item it comes around next holiday and you can unlock it then, old or new content. What I proposed would already be a compromise in that some people wouldn';t want to wait and would pay for it off season for a couple of bucks - I'd be fine with this, so long a you'd get it when it came round again. I give credit to FFXIV when they do this right (ie the collab events like the return of Garo PVP stuff instead of having to buy it), they just need to expand it.
That's not true or it didn't used to be, there were many events holiday and otherwise with missable items, I remember brewfest mounts/glowing cups not returning in future repeats. I remember the Classic Naxxramas event not being repeated ever with some interesting items like the leather robe for Rogues. Plenty of other holdidays were the same, some did repeat, but not all.
Brewfest mounts came back, and the cups came back with the same graphic named differently if they were a particular year's item. Anything that didn't come back or have the same graphic etc.. was incredibly rare and weren't usually holiday related and were like pre-patch events (like Classic Naxx, AQ gates, or Scourge Invasion etc), but typically items with the same graphics were made available in the next expansion (Pandaria timed run armor graphics were unlocked) . They didn't start really leaning on FOMO and taking stuff out until much later and I decry that as shitty (ie I stopped playing end of Legion, I hear they took away a goldsink mount from BFA when all before used to never go away ).
Lmao, WoW is the prime example of a FOMO based MMO, its not just mounts that go away
Both WoW and XIV are designed with FOMO. All old content is dead after a patch for both games.
Doing old content in XIV is infinitely better than doing it in WoW
I can do old content and not have it be a total chore in FFXIV. It also has glamours I actually want to wear, which is an incentive to go back and do those in the first place. Daily roulettes also keep it from ever being "dead," unless you're Bahamut or Bozja.
Bozja is still alive thanks to it being a good source of EXP, Raids in those are a bit dead though, gotta PF for them but same applies to Eureka raid which isnt even PFable at this point, and requires you to join discords. Eureka was also filled with bots at some point
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You have clearly not played XIV if thata what you believe. Played WoW for at least 15 years and been playing XIV for at least 4(took a break from the later every now and then tho) . I can see the difference in FOMO from miles away and you'd be moronic to believe otherwise
>oh yeah but its not like my 20+ yrs old cucked dead MMO filled with griefers
of course it isnt lmao, but it doesn't mean its filled with FOMO, its minimal
>You have clearly not played XIV if thata what you believe
1.0 to 6.0 and didnt bother with 6.1. Content is dead within the week.
it must be nice to have all the reliq weapons, all the ultimates, all the mounts , all the minions, all the titles.... then theres no real content
>content is dead within a week
stop lying, content is meant to lose its player pop but its not dead, even Eureka is still alive.
>m-muh old raids
of course they'd be dead why would anybody do them min ilvl+no echo as when they were released if you can farm them. And even then there are still PFs popping up every now and then just for that
>b-but muh old dead MMOs did something else
yeah thats why they are dead, forced artificial engagement isnt engagement
>even Eureka is still alive.
the amount of cope a ffxiv go through to lie about his dying game
You are an idiot. I didn't play at all during Stormblood and did Eureka and BA afterwards.
You can get pretty far in Eureka with a WAR and one other dps and apparently it's not even Eureka anymore. You can clear the Bozja 48-man raids with 5-6 people now. That doesn't scream "healthy" to me.
>You can clear the Bozja 48-man raids with 5-6 people now. That doesn't scream "healthy" to me.
Does that mean the Cerberus mount is trivial to get now? Might have to go unlock Bozja, I never bothered because I came back after it was already over and assumed it'd be impossible
Way moreso than before. You still have to find a party that wants to do DR savage with you, but people are always looking and everything is optimized to be braindead easy once you learn it.
How easy is it compared to Eureka raid? I'd consider that extremely challenging by comparison as without significant organization you will not clear it even now
I haven't done BA, but it's pretty easy. The only difference is that you get punished a lot harder for fricking up. The real challenge is getting through the initial grind to actually get there, but even that is easy and just takes some commitment.
I mean, you still have to plan and organize, but it's really not that painful.
DRS is unironically harder, BA was easy but since it required THAT many people, it was bound to have 4 to 5 gays fricking up. As of present, BA still remains way more doable thanks to discord groups and fights having little to no mechanics
You can do that because Bozja was balanced from the get-go around variable player counts.
Eureka was nerf-patched to do the same but it is also one of the least active activities in the game. (largely because people hate how grindy it was)
>the amount of cope
Yeah its still alive, stop lying
There's problems with WoW, but none of that means enabling or justifying bad monetization in FFXIV or anywhere else. There's plenty to critique there, but there are different thing. We were talking about cyclical holiday events - in WoW (and early FFXIV ) you could unlock any past year's shit in game without paying the next time the event came around. In current FFXIV, you can only unlock the event's new shit that year, and all old shit must be paid for with real money on MogStation, piece by piece. That's shitty.
Not justifying bad monetization with seasonals, but I was criticizing general FOMO which is minimal in XIV. Saying that you can pay to bypass this doesn't mean am defending its monetization, but that its still possible to get most FOMO shit, even PvP rewards are coming back, the only things that are probably never coming back in any form are titles of past events and there arent that many of those. Meanwhile WoW is filled to death by seasonal garbage and FOMO since day 1, monetization or not
If Hiromichi Tanaka were still here, he'd make last year's event items obtainable through a npc vendor using event currency or gil.
You used to be able to buy old event items every time an event came back for gil at a vendor.
>I'm guessing this is only possible if you're A) max level and thus overlevel the content considerably
Wait you're trying to get your ARR relic weapon without being max level?
No, but I'm saying that its a difference from how it was "originally intended" if some people are stuck on the "old way" as some sort of purity test as a reason for not changing things along with how the game has evolved in other ways. If its still tedious even if you're unsync'd and max level because there aren't very easy changes that could be made to make it less so, it would be multiple times as tedious sync'd as "intended".
>They spend much of their time on finding cosmetics to sell for $22 per outfit or $7 to drink tea.
No they don't we barely get any cosmetics. Cosmetics rewards are valued for the time/effort it takes to earn them, there's no reason to change it as if people don't want to put in the time to earn an original relic they can just go with something else. It sounds like you're seething because it's taking you so long when in reality you can do it in a day or two
You will suffer as I have suffered and do the horrible fate and book grind
I didn't think either of those where that bad
I mean, did you not enjoy anything about the game?
It's sort of a meme to point it out, but you played for 2000 hours. Was it just addiction?
One of the nice things about XIV is that you can unsub and then resub and play through new story stuff/dungeons/etc later.
Hopefully these new dungeons come out are a sign of better things to come on that front, I'd like to see a little more experimentation as far as the format of dungeons is concerned. It is a shame that they're mostly linear pull to the wall experiences.
It might sound strange, but I genuinely like the game. I originally wrote that when someone asked if FFXIV was good. Then 90% of the posts were calling it amazing, and when I said no it's not that good, I got dogpiled and called a WoWgay. That triggered me into writing all of that. I like the game and accept its flaws, but the fanbase triggers the everliving shit out of me, and it makes me look at xiv with a much more critical lens nowadays.
>straight line dungeons bad
>following line in Mythic Dungeon Tools good
There's a reason why dungeons in the style of haukke manor and sunken temple of qarn have never been repeated, no one runs dungeons for the sake of running them but rather for the reward or progress. any sort of non-linearity or puzzle is optimised out in every MMORPG after running it the first time
but if the criticism was instead that dungeons are too easy hopefully the new Criterion dungeons fill this void for players like Savage and Ultimate do
I mean yeah, having to learn and optimize a route is more engaging than mashing the sprint button and holding W until you can't anymore.
It *becomes* mashing the sprint button and holding W until you can't anymore once you've figured it out.
No, it's like that immediately even in new dungeons unless you're playing with mongoloids.
>Go forward
>pull mob
>go forward
>pull mob
>boss fight
>repeat the above two more times
There is literally nothing to figure out in dungeons past the ARR lvl 50 dungeons. What you just said literally only applies to ARR. And maybe The Aery.
>There is literally nothing to figure out in dungeons past the ARR lvl 50 dungeons.
Who cares? The developers are on-record as saying dungeons became that because that's how people treated dungeons in ARR. Criterions are for people that moan about missing Pharos Sirius all day.
Stop backpedaling. You originally argued that dungeons are more than pressing w, and when using ARR as an example, now that suddenly doesn't matter?
Sorry but am still not coming back to WoW, would I want a more engaging gameplay experience I'd play older single player games. MMOs aren't good at that, not even the old MMO homosexualry, they were just good for a time, then its over
I literally said that I have never touched WoW, but since you're not trying to defend XIV, I won't call you a homosexual. You're right. I stopped playing ffxiv after it being my only game for a good year since I'm too busy irl to play xiv and other shit. The moment I started playing other games again, specifically Pathfinder and Ultrakill, was like waking up from a fever dream.
>took me a year or so to realize
My condolences
>andys
Zoom zoom
Our MMO is the best one in the market. We have a right to brag about it. This is not being elitist.
It's not even better than ESO, let alone anything else
>Our MMO is the best one in the market.
here's another example of ffxiv players being elitist.
They are snoys, everything about xiv spergs can be explained by the fact that it is a playstation game, they are the seething inferior but numerous nonwhites of the gaming world
They need to gatekeep the WoWfugees before it gets even more mainstream. It's bad enough that there's youtubers out there actively promoting it, the moronic kids are going to lower the rating to PG13 if they flood the game.
And Limsa is a prostitutehouse land.
lmao fgays couldn't even clear an lfr
>He says that when the biggest wow streamer got absolutely filtered by 6 year old content.
They don't even need to gatekeep tbh, the game gatekeeps itself, to catch up to current content you need to go through hundreds of hours of msq, and ARR is so much lower quality than late expansions it does a perfect job at keeping wowtards at bay.
I'm in a wow community and the amount of people who tried it and dropped it after 10 hours is staggering
Special mention to someone who used a level boost only to realize it's worthless without a msq skip too
The amount of WoWtists that can't cope with ARR is fricking baffling, it doesn't take THAT long to get out of it and some dim awareness that it's mainly worldbuilding and introducing you to the setting gives it a reason to be dry.
>some dim awareness that it's mainly worldbuilding and introducing you to the setting gives it a reason to be dry.
You know that you can build a world while telling a compelling story, right? They're not mutually exclusive.
ARR is compelling enough for what it's doing, things spice up in the normal story at and after Ifrit. I said it's dry, not boring or bad.
>ARR is compelling
>enough for what it's doing, things spice up in the normal story at and after Ifrit.
you can tell they do what they can with the short time they have to rebuild the game.
specially in vanilla with the several level gaps they game had when doing the msq and you are forced to do side content just to level up to get the next msq
These people would kill themselves instantly if they had to put up with ARR on-release. I almost did.
>MAX LEVEL
The real filter is not realizing ARR has a good story.
WoW is a live service game today. Players buy the game and get into action immediately with free level boost and afterwards they login to do quick 30mn content like m+ or bgs like they would do a lol ranked.
FFXIV is story based and expects you to follow the narration and wowtards literally cannot comprehend how an MMO doesn't allow them to be max level instantly and do dailies with a finger snap
>how an MMO doesn't allow them to be max level instantly
Bro, your boosts?
Boosting on a new character is useless as you still need to do the whole msq to access anything and that would have carried to max level anyway
Bro your story skip?
You guys are moronic, just because they force you to do the latest expansion doesnt mean you cant get to the Max Level in days.
In fact, the MSQ alone gives enough exp for 80-90 anyway.
But you still need to do the msq? Did the topic change or something?
The topic never changed. You are a moron to think this is any different than WoW just because FFXIV drop you at 1 pitstop earlier than WoW.
Are you some type of moron?
Buying level boost + story skip up to endwalker starts to become expensive for someone who just bought the game, I guess that would filter most people. in wow you get a free boost when you buy shadowlands
getting to max level in this game is so fricking easy that i dont understand why poeple buy boosts.
i even think is a decrement , while leveling you get so much gear that you can sell or change for company seals. you get a frick ton of resources. why use a boost at all?
Boosts are not for new players but for people who want to reroll a new job without having to queues for 50 msq roulettes. Or at least that's my reasoning
but leveling to 50?.... you can do that in a couple of days.
It's repetitive as frick. If that's your 10th job I can understand buying a boost
Nope, if they were, they would force you to have a character at 90 to buy it.
Your reasoning is shit and they dont care, you can buy it at level 1 and get into raid in 3 days tops.
Even with boosts you can’t be max level I think? Just 10 levels below max
Thats 1 day at most of grinding through MSQ and dungeon. Leveling is a joke and you dont even need to gear for it.
>leveling is a joke
good, shouldnt be something that takes long in themepark MMOs
>you dont even need the gear for it
Also positive on themepark MMOs
It would help if the story wasn't locked behind 600 cutscenes where 450 of them are someone explaing why the flower you just picked is so important to them. Frick OFF with that.
Honestly to me that sounds like a good thing.
I wouldn't want to deal with brainlets who need instant gratification.
Game is simple
Majority of players eat glue
who is this absolute semen demon
nobody its prob just a concept character because femcatwomen arent out yet.
God dammit
The closest I can get to a cat fem in mmo's is ESO and even in there they look dogshit despite being better than nothing
I know your pain. Its an alright mmo but goddamn do we need more female anthros to oggle at.
It's basically why i'm stuck with WoW, MMO developers are cowards that won't commit to beast races
Someones concept on what femhroths should look like
If only.
The team is going to put out miqo'tes with a furry texture and call it good.
Potentially (You) when you fanta to femhroth in 7.0!
but lets be real, we're getting miqoto heads on thighlander bodies but retextured to be furry and still no hats
Pic not related
They came from wow the elitist
Meteion was the worst character they added to FFXIV. Thank god Zenos saved this shitshow.
Birddicky
All I see is a human in cosplay
do you have that one where it's just her lower body and her butt wings cover her butt?
Don't seem like it, sorry
Does she pubes or feathers?
i was secretly hoping Zenos was gonna gank meteion when she said she was gonna sing the song on hope
he strikes me as the kinda guy that would dislike imposing hope on other people rather than having them find their own reason to live
Zenos was following Alisaie's advice. The reason he got his fun duel with WoL was because he helped out.
>wojack
>reddit wojack
have a nice day
Last time I checked, posting your parse could get you banned. The game is "hostile casual", shooting down any attempt by people to get better.
why are you posting your parse to people that dont give a shit, just make some like minded friends it's a fricking mmo.
FFXIV players aren't elitist about DPS, they're elitist about their game.
can you blame them?
Yeah.
why?
can you blame a king for feeling like royalty?
can you blame an eagle for soaring so high?
can you blame god for loving you ?
Here's another example of the FFXIV playerbase being elitist.
yea, they are now the elite.
because they're mmo players
Good Lord. I love those lizard girls so much it's unreal. I don't know why the people in this game have a preference for catgirls when the lizards have way cuter emotes and look Japanese
What exactly is lizard about them, horns? like 3 scales on their arms?
Every fem race in FF14 is just a cosplaying human or a midget
I love my delicious brown fish ra like you wouldn't believe
Brown fish ras are adorable, I have a blonde, pale one with blue eyes myself.
bnuuy butt
Analway
Because they're really insecure and invested WAY to much time into something that's mediocre, so they point out the flaws of everything else, while plugging their ears at any criticisms. Funniest thing is that the game is WoW--even down to inclusion. I actually was told that gender locking in FFXIV was removed because it was "novel and funny." Bunch of disingenuous, addicted buttholes.
>summer tower, see a pair of dudes using self destruct to be resurrected higher up
>switch to healer and resurrect them from a lower level
I PUSH MY FINGERS INTO MY EYES
Based, frick cheaters
Honestly they should put a 'no action' field around the tower and watch them seethe
well, i know what im gonna do right now.
thanks anon
>anime game
There's your answer. Everyone knows that weebs are fricking moronic.
No one asked why they were moronic, they asked why they were elitist.
Anime game fans are notoriously elitist.
>Guilt Gear Strive
>Blazblue
>CompileHeart games
The list goes on. Anime game fans are insanely insecure and have a superiority complex at the same time, so they throw a tantrum if you criticize what they like. Anime watchers do the same exact shit. They don't have any skills or hobbies, so they cope by saying that anything they're consuming is the best shit on the planet and anyone who doesn't agree with them is an NPC. Fricking autists.
Notice how the anti-troons just complain about elitism rather than making any serious points. A perfect example of screeching into the wind right here
games
Not even weebs like CompileHeart games.
Their fans are... I don't know. Actually moronic? All their RPGs are literally "mash attack to win" and based around a bad gimmick like rubbing boobies or "Hey they're kind of like video game girls isn't that wacky?"
GET YOUR GAME FACES ON! IT'S SEAL ROCK DAY, MOTHERFRICKERS!
>tfw I could hear Blood For Blood theme when I opened that webm
Every fricking time.
I was hoping it was nadaam. I need to grind out the last few ranks for the archfiend set.
It's funny that XIV got labeled as the "troony game" when WoW is the one with a whole book about how a gnome is non-binary.
The playerbase decides the label not the devs. WoW has troony devs trying to deconstruct an existing game and frick with an existing playerbase. XIV on the other hand attracted the LGBTQ crowd from the start and especially after Yoshida bent the knee in ARR when he initially didnt want to add same sex EBs.
Not to mention it was the LGBTQ crowd from pre-Crystal Aether that brought about the removal of gender locked items surely and slowly. You guys had a chance to tell the devs no but you stayed quiet.
oh nooooo some day i'll be able to wear the hingan peasant dogi as a female character and not a male character
all i had to do was sacrifice my frickin' based conservative trad values and watch men wear bunny suits and women wear tuxedos
aiieeeee western civilization (japanese video game btw) is literally falling apart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
XIV is going to drink the koolaid sooner rather than later, so I hope you guys enjoy the next year or two before you get body type'd
>before you get body type'd
*gasp* oh no whatever will we do
Post more about WoW
You elitist c**ts literally dangle that over WoWtroons. Stop acting slow.
I really wanted to do the Ivalice raids, ShB, and Bozja, so I powered through. Ironically I had the most fun playing Stormblood and doing that content, and ShB endgame is even with that. Problem is that there wasn't nearly enough to pay off the shitty pacing. I'm not a storygay, but I won't shit on anything that I haven't tried, so I did all of that. Got to EW and at the end of Thavnair concluded "this is a waste of fricking time" and unsubbed.
Understandable, EW's story had very high highs and the lowest lows, as a conclusion of the arc, it was average at best. Besides from that there isnt much to do in the current expansion without any Grind zone and you can be done with raidhomosexualry within a week. Haven't left the game yet, will probably remain my main MMO until the next big thing hits(without including eceleb shilling in the equation)or until I grow tired of it just as with any other MMO. I did endure a decade and a half of WoW after all and I still like MMO from what they got to offer
>shadowbaby quit
good riddance
I've been playing since 2013 befor HW even got announced and took a 3 year haitus when Stormblood came out. You can't tell me that this game isn't worse than it was pre-2017.
To be fair, there is stuff that I miss from back then. But there is also stuff that has been improved on. I dont miss ARR coils or raids, but I do miss Alex raids when they were at their prime. Alex raids are my favorite for a reason, it also seemed like Normal mode was a bit harder back then.
When it comes to jobs, I don't miss the TP bullshit but I do miss old AST
The pink-haired libtard in the head of the localization team is already doing the work anon.
frick off to gamefaqs' TWEWY section
I'm already learning japanese and will just move to nip servers at that point.
Reminder she was there for shadowbringer and we still got wacky and strange fate names
Only reason she's even shown off and known is nobody hated her work before the face-reveal, yeah. Every time she's posted it's somebody trying to start a gender war fight and not having any real material.
>posting Koji's personal little cum sleeve like it's a big gotcha moment
Isn't Foxclon everyone in CBU3 little cum sleeve
God I wish I saved the twitter shit she said.
She changed to whole Omega race storyline.
okay start posting JP comparisons, frick off if you can't or won't
no. keep eating troony shit if you dont know nip
frick off if you can't or won't
Koji abandoned you to the trannies and there's nothing you can do about it
How do you know Koji isn't a troony too?
UMMMM UHHHH HE JUST ISN'T OKAY
Gatekeeping is crucial to the long-term viability of any hobby.
I don't think Yoshida would like you being elitist.
post it
wh-where's the third option?!
Thank the Twelve there's only two genders
Doesnt exist because Magic can transform a person to the opposite gender flawlessly.
>Not body type 1 or 2
Am I supposed to look at this and think the reply is based, and not really embarrassing
Explain how it's not based.
No.
dilate
This is an edit, right?
It's from the RP guide my friend
It's just a joke. There is only 6 episodes.
Nah, all newbies get groomed by a bunny girl
I didn't, but bunny girls didn't exist when i started
It’s only for new newbies, you started the game too soon.
🙁
I mean, yeah I suffered the same when I created an alt but didn't expect it to become an official video
They're not, they just don't tolerate wowtroons.
I've played for 1000 hours and never tried chocobo racing
That's fine. It's a really shit minigame.
Just beat ARR for the first time and saw how many more quests i need to do to get to heavensward and just unsubbed yesterday, this game is such a slog that i had to force myself to play it.
I thought the story was nice, a evil empire is my type of thing but i just found the combat, the systems and just go from point a to point b just put me to sleep.
Yes im blogging but i dont think this game is good.
ok
>unsubbed
>ARR
You have to sub for ARR if you own the game. You're immediately banned from the trial the moment you spend any money for some reason.
Yea but only a moron would buy the game at ARR unless they really love the game
I've owned WoW since 2004 and I can still play the trial right now on that account if I wanted. There's no actual reason to ban people from free trials unless they're genuinely breaking ToS.
Ok and?
And the fact that WoW set this precedent for free trials causes people to think it's safe to buy the game despite being in the trial, because there's no actual reason for them to get kicked out.
There's a perfectly good reason.
Gatekeeping homosexuals.
Just like Ganker was better before phoneposting was possible and all the low-IQ troons were kept out.
Except it doesn't gatekeep anyone. If anything the free trial does the opposite.
tell me that to me, i believe i have 24 months of sub in total since I started in 2017 and I need to sub to do an event that a trial account can do for free
the quest design is the worst i've ever seen in any mmo by far, and that's an extremely high bar considering the genre.
>unsubbed
>from the part of the game that doesn't require a sub
It never gets better. The game does have a good story, but it's such a painful experience. You can't even skip around because you don't know which quests are legitimately important or not. If you don't like the pacing, it doesn't change in Heavensward. The only difference is that the good parts are pretty good.
>decide to watch a movie
>stop watching because it takes too long to get to the climax
People find the dumbest shit to complain about
You guys are really fricking dense, you know that? You can remove 60% of the quest and the story wouldn't suffer for it. That's awful storytelling.
I want 60% more quests.
Frick off.
>what is pacing
Yeah, the pacing is fricking awful in FFXIV, you're right.
>remove 60% of the quests
>Immediately start whining about amount of content
Frick off back to raidertrash games.
Story isn't content, anon. Bozja did it right.
>a literal Eurekashit grind
>content
Kys
Doesn’t bozja have like 10+ bosses, 3raids, and 6 duals that are extreme difficulty?
Says the guy who thinks cutscenes are content. You're the reason why dungeons are straight lines and why 80% of the content is way dumbed down from the pre-SB days. So the you guys can more easily enjoy your story IN A FRICKING VIDEO GAME. I have spent 4 hour sessions where I did nothing but watch cutscenes and go to checkpoints. If that's content to you and Bozja is just grindy trash then petition Yoshi-P to make a VN.
>pls cut more story content
>bozja was good
How to tell someone who doesn't play at all.
I haven't done Bozja but what's your opinion on Eureka?
Haven't done it personally since I was unsubbed when it started and all my friends were just nonstop complaining about it so I avoided it when I came back.
Bozja is just a bunch of reskinned Fate grinds in a row interspersed with alliance raids once you hit a particular breakpoint.
Then they force you to do a ton more Fate grinding if you want to do the savage versions.
I like that you have to communicate. I like that you can experiment and try different things with the lost action system. I like that the raid fights are unique and that you have to actually learn them to clear and be aware of everything because of the instadeath penalty. I like that there's as sense of progression the longer you play. I like that there's maybe 2 hours of cutscenes during the entire experience. I like that it an actual fricking game.
>I like that you have to communicate.
Except you don't.
The closest you get to communication is some moron blogposting in chat or someone posting "group for platform move here".
>I like that you can experiment and try different things with the lost action system.
Which does frick all.
>I like that the raid fights are unique and that you have to actually learn them to clear
They're not and you don't. People carry them all the time.
>I like that there's as sense of progression the longer you play.
All the sense of progression of an idle game.
>Except you don't.
And when you don't do that you're destined to stumble and fail through. At the end of the day, if you want full loot you have to plan before each section. Which 24 man requires you to plan beforehand like the Bozja raids?
>Which does frick all.
You serious? It completely changes the game for casters.
>They're not and you don't. People carry them all the time.
What's your point? 4-5 people in your party have to know what to do or else you're in for a wipefest. You can make that argument about all endgame content.
>All the sense of progression of an idle game.
You're being completely disingenuous if you're implying that rank 5 you with shitty essences feels the same as rank 25.
>full loot means you have to plan
lol
Prove me wrong anon. Show me the CLL strat that everyone knows without saying shit. Show me the run where everyone rescues every prisoner everytime because the run is so easy that you can turn your chat off.
Literally every run because 95% of people doing them have either seen videos prior or run it before.
If an entire group fricks up you usually have enough time for at least one other group to go help clean up their mess.
Not for motherfricking Brionac, what are you talking about? If one group fricks it up or if the composition is off then we spend 20 minutes on the fight which is basically a fail-state anyways. And I've never in over 100 hours of Bozja seen a group carry all 6 prisoners. If East of West fricks it up that loot is GONE. Did we run the same content?
Brionac isn't an issue beyond not having drooling at the mouth morons in the lower group while simultaneously having low DPS in the upper group.
And I didn't say one group can carry all 6 prisoners, one group can usually carry one other group's failures. You usually don't have multiple groups failing on prisoners.
Not that full loot runs are even that relevant when the rewards are so mediocre.
>t. hasn't unlocked Bozja and makes things up on the internet
That's exactly what I'm saying and I've been playing since 2013 you ShB bandwagoning b***h.
Bozja was good and I’m tired of acting like it was bad. Only bad thing about it is that the zones aren’t colorful like eureka but that makes sense because it’s a war zone that getting shelled nonstop.
>Can't even reliable farm one of the most essential essences for melee
Bozja fricking sucks man.
>then petition Yoshi-P to make a VN.
What do you think FFXIV quests are? Storychads won.
>decide to watch a movie
Yeah, I've done this. If your movie drags for too long and it's just useless padding for time to seem like it's a big 4 hour LOTR movie I'm out. And most movies are only 3 hours. Now imagine sitting through hundreds of hours of shit just for a fricking sprinkle.
>how many more quests i need to do to get to heavensward
Frick every homosexual who complains about this. This is when the story finally got good imo. Crystal Braves, Domans, Keeper of the Lake,etc.
now we only get like 6 MSQs a patch because of gays like you
true
imo post ARR > first half of HS
actually I loved the msq since the noraxia kick, I don't know how anyone could think the game is boring past that point if you've been actually paying attention to the story
all the passive aggressive msq zealots woke up lol
Filtered :^)
>paying sub for ARR and HW
Yeah you got filtered there by not using unlimited free trial. There's a free trial highlander tank sprout in /xivg/ who did all the extremes and sidequests available to him for free.
you shouldnt have subbed, ARR and HW are free
also combat isnt fun until around level 70
story isnt good until shadowbringers
the game sucks total shit until then, either suck it up so you can experience the best MMO on the market right now or forever be "filtered"
>story isnt good until ShB
ShB is the only good story after HW, even EW had several shortcomings that normies can't see because they are morons
This meme needs to be updated again with the new WoW expansions and with the MMOs killed by XIV placed in the grave
SILVER LIIIIIINE
https://streamable.com/ck9xjw
>DARK HORIZONS BOILING SEAAAAAAAS
I can play FFXIV and have contact with actual biological women and non-shitskins.
Can't say the same about any other mmo.
t. non-american
They aren't though.
I'd rather play fricking Flyff than FF14
This thread be like
>Yeah there's great things and flaws with both games, but I heavily prefer FFXIV.
>WHY ARE YOU GATEKEEPING?
wake me up when they allow us to challenge all content with trust party
>Savage Trusts
the seething from raidgays would be funny
it will happen eventually. their goal is to let everyone get to see all content at their own pace.
All the STORY content.
You can do all content bar Ultimates/Eureka raid in PF, you don't need statics and it's faster/more fun. Why do you care?
Because I don't wanna spend hours looking for the "right" party to do content, so I hope they add trusts for them
I fricking wished, westernoid statics are pozzed as frick and full fo artificial gates, and despite all this they still play like shit
So is this dungeon gear? Pretty rare for X.2 dungeon to not be reused assets.
Nobody told me this top induces so much bounce
One day video games will make clothing that doesn't look painted on and then we'll get real bikini straps.
what top?
the reward from the newest Moonfaire event
that's what taking the limiters off will do to you
Not at 120fps, jiggle has ceased to exist for me because the physics are tied to framerate
Im fricking tired of trying to find a decent static thats not trash but doesnt try too hard to get orange parses.
Fricking trash community it was so much better in Stormblood but now everyone has their quadra ultimate or youre trash mindset that its simply tiring.
Stick with the pf, play with a small group of friends and frick everyone else, thats the patrician way to play this.
Do that and ocassionally join a parse group to get oranges
>parse gay
I'll let you in in a little something, people do like 5 runs back to back and leave instance fast, so they are great to gear up other jobs since most farm groups are a meme
Whoever it is that keeps religiously making bait OPs should be cursed in Minecraft.
goodbye, minos Lux.
What are they changing about the fight?
everything
Adding more mog
they're mogging it
why interact with anyone? just play the msq and go play a different game, its what i do and i love ffxiv
So, Ysale will be a caster? Or perhaps omnirole, given that wol is tanking there.
We dont gate keep the game does that for us lol.
Yeah, the trannies and groomers are a pretty good filter.
This ain't WoW.
You're far more likely to have issues with biogirls having to deal with troons.
i've encountered more trannies in xiv than any other online game.
Which has nothing to do with what he said, yes there's trannies in XIV but there's also more real women too, at least compared to other MMOs
that's because it's "pretty" and 99% of the content is easier than Elmo's ABCs for N64.
That's right?
oooo me ruv big stong amelican man rong time, he fink finar fantashee fauteen so ez yayayayayaya
I take it you're american then.
Had friends who went on US servers and said it was just troons and nogs.
Biggest issue on euro is simps destroying fcs over real women.
Nah I say biogirls and biowomen because i've seen troons get assmad about it.
>Nah I say biogirls and biowomen because i've seen troons get assmad about it.
Well let me tell you the secret to really make them seethe. Inform them of their present status as men and how they will never, in fact, be women.
What you should call them is "body type 2" it makes them real happy
>it makes them so mad hehfhgrhgkhjrgajk
It makes them say "Oh you're from Ganker" actually.
No, it genuinely makes them mad.
I've heard troons go "You know using that means you're a terrible person right?" in social contexts.
Usually weirds out people who normally don't care when they get all aggressive about people admitting that real women exist and they're not one.
Either you take the internet way too seriously, or you're thirteen years old.
Anyone whose been around troons in real life will know what I mean.
It's kind of funny how you out yourselves this easily though.
I have been, which is why I think you're an obsessed loser who's only seen them in pictures, Anon E. Moose. Go back to Kiwi Farms.
I usually make fun of this board, but you're giving off strong troony vibes.
t. terminally online gay who has some internet-derived idea about what troons are like.
Biogirl and biowoman causes them to seethe. Just like it made you jump out to go "no it totally doesn't!" before responding to every subsequent post while totally not being mad.
>Biogirl and biowoman causes them to seethe.
That causes them to block you for being annoying, which isn't seethe.
>ur responding ur mad ur mad ur mad lmao!!!!
You're right which is why I have decided I will get the last word. I will neither read your reply to this post nor respond to it
>troons block
Yeah "blocking" in real life. Not a terminally online seething troon at all.
>biogirls
We call them women, troon. Outed yourself. too easy.
ive encountered more biowomen in this game than any other game in my life
I encounter far, far more women in VR chat than this game.
thats probably true but i dont play vrchat
VR chat isn't an MMO anon, it's not even a game it's just a social chat room so that obviously makes sense
No one said it was an mmo.
>it's not a game
of course it's a game.
>a chat room is a game
It's not a chat room, it's a game with a chat room.
you can literally play Doom in VR chat lmao. there's all kinds of gameplay players have incorporated into the sandbox over the years.
>You can play Doom in VR Chat
So why not just play the original Doom
Why not just play VR chat or Second Life instead of dealing with FFXIV's dogshit housing system?
Presumably because FFXIV is a video game and VRChat is a chat room, wanting to enjoy a video game is not the same as enjoying a chatroom?
FFXIV isn't a video game, it's a movie with a collection of arcade minigames tacked onto it.
Don't strain yourself with that impressive stretch
>i can be reductive and it's ok
>you aren't allowed though
You can be reductive if you like but we both know there's a difference between a game having curated and designed gameplay and "players can attempt to make minigames out of the barebones sandbox we gave them to chat in"
>noooooo sandbox games aren't video games!!!
You might be clinically moronic.
>a game having curated and designed gameplay
it's literally just a bunch of mindless chores. 99% of the gameplay in ffxiv is less engaging than mario.
>No one said that ESL
you verbatim said that VR Chat isnt a video game, moron.
>99% of the gameplay in ffxiv is less engaging than mario.
Welcome to MMO's vs Single Player games, but I appreciate you admitting the 1% of gameplay that transcends it and the reason why we actually enjoy MMO's.
It isn't but that doesn't extend to actual sandbox games like Garrys Mod
>It isn't
It is, obviously. We've explained this to you repeatedly, and in exceedingly clear terms.
But you didn't, I asked what the gameplay was like and you said "You can play doom within it" or "other players have made some minigames" which is a hilarious cope, the fact no one even spoke about what they made or did in it makes me crack up
>I asked what the gameplay was like and you said "You can play doom within it"
I mean, that alone is enough to qualify it as a video game. Anything else is some arbitrary definition that you incomprehensibly think it has to meet.
>Still doesn't talk the actual gameplay
You can make minigames in Minecraft but I'm sure you recognize Minecraft is also its own game right? Care to share what you do in VRChat that isn't engaging with someone else's creation and instead your own?
>you can make minigames in minecraft
>minecraft is a video game
>you can make minigames in VR chat
>vr chat is a video game
yes, very good.
>Care to share what you do in VRChat that isn't engaging with someone else's creation and instead your own?
If you're playing Doom in VR chat you are engaging with both VR Chat and a minigame someone made in VR chat. Not sure how that's confusing for you.
>Minecraft has gameplay
>You can make Minigames
>VRChat has no gameplay
>You can make Minigames
I know you're slow anon but before replying see if you can find the difference
>VRChat has no gameplay
I literally just explained to you that you can play Doom in VR Chat. I spoonfed this to you multiple times.
Let him be stupid in peace, he's not interested in actually talking about this.
Doom is a player created minigame, not inherent gameplay, please reread until you are able to comprehend the difference
>Doom is a player created minigame, not inherent gameplay
What does that have to do with anything?
The entire point from the beginning was that VRChat does not have gameplay, you are leaning on a player made creation to justify the game having gameplay. You're not even justifying it by giving examples of what the average player creates when they open the game. Lets imagine this from Day 1 of the games release, without player Created mods or minigames - describe the gameplay. You can't because there's literally nothing to do other than stand around and chat, the game is not designed for the average use to open the game and start playing with a sandbox which is why the average player is not creating anything, it's the turbo autists/modders that create content for other people to do. Other games like Minecraft or Garrys mod have significant gameplay for people to immediately enjoy because they are designed to be video games, not chat rooms.
Ah, I see what you're saying. You think the devs have to design something as a video game for it to be one. Simply having gameplay isn't enough.
You may want to reread that
No, I wrote what I did very intentionally. You've excluded gameplay as a qualifier for something to be a video game, it has to have originally been designed with gameplay for it to count. That's your argument.
You might want to reread the original post
No, if you want to argue with me you can explain what you believe I got wrong.
I have no interest in arguing with someone who despite being told the problem repeatedly, willfully chooses to ignore it and argue dishonestly and then when it is explained clearly, gets the point so wrong as to almost completely invert the entire thing.
I didn't get it wrong, you just don't understand your own point. It's extremely funny.
>The entire point from the beginning was that VRChat does not have gameplay
>You think the devs have to design something as a video game for it to be one. Simply having gameplay isn't enough.
Please reread the original post
>The entire point from the beginning was that VRChat does not have gameplay
VR Chat does have gameplay, as I've explained in exceedingly clear terms.
Your argument is that it didn't *originally* have gameplay, therefore it isn't a video game now, despite the fact that it now has gameplay.
Please reread the original post and while you're at it, stop backpeddling
I have reread it, that's indeed your argument. If you disagree, explain.
I have explained it to you multiple times, you repeatedly change your argument or double down on justifying it without explanation when you're shown to be wrong or realize that you misunderstood the argument, there's really nothing more that can be said
I haven't changed my argument at all. I've maintained that VR Chat is a game, because it contains gameplay, and that is indeed objectively true.
So rationally with your own current argument before people created minigames, would you accept it was not a game even if you now consider it one?
No, just like how base Garry's Mod wouldn't have been a video game.
Not him but only reason to "play" VRchat is RP and thats all there is to it, playing other games within it can be done better by modding the other crap
Okay? No one said anything that contradicted any of this.
>curated and designed boss fights
Everything else is set dressing for the story in ffxiv.
cmon anon, you can do better than that.
I don't RP and I don't care about the awful housing system. In fact, am glad its shit, gotta push RPgays to play the game instead of wasting time on RP centrals
> you can literally play Doom in VR chat lmao.
so an internet browser is a video game?
No, because browser games are their own software. Browsers are more like consoles or VMs, or operating systems.
Minigames in VR Chat are literally just VR Chat.
VRchat is a game in the same way Furcadia and Second Life were games, I find Civilization and other city-builders to be insufferably boring but I wouldn't say they're not games
But Second Life isn't a game, I have no idea what Furcadia is. The Civilization thing makes no sense, what exactly is the gameplay in VRchat?
What's the gameplay like in VR chat? What's the skill floor/ceiling like?
>What's the gameplay like in VR chat? What's the skill floor/ceiling like?
I can't tell if you're joking or if you're actually this moronic. VR Chat has a huge variety of minigames that players incorporate into the game.
>Players incorporate into the game
So VRChat is just a sandbox with no actual gameplay but if you like you can try make a simple shit game within it?
would you say garry's mod isn't a video game, under this logic
No I wouldn't because Garrys mod is a sandbox designed for gameplay, VRChat is a sandbox designed for nothing but chatting with 3D avatars
No one said that ESL
>a sandbox designed for gameplay
It's a sandbox designed for the Source Engine, not for gameplay.
There is indeed more biowomen in this game, biowomen go to whatever is the new fad, many came from WoW or its just their first MMO
I hate troony arguments but come on.
American servers?
Yes.
Figures. I hear it's all trannies and gay Black folk.
>/shout chat baits
>screencap it
>WTF ARE THEY REAL???
Denial.
Yes, pretending you weren't baited is denial. That's why people post things they know will make you upset.
He is right, troons are usually busy trooning in their own cliques, women just have this need to visit as many places as possible and take a shit on the overall experience of said content, unless they are the silent type
this mental illness celebration also occurs in WoW. Hell not even OSRS is safe anymore.
The absolute state of NA servers
>think about tanking
>panic attack
Please god give me some confidence…
If you die blame the healer
this mentality doesnt make sense anymore
they've removed stances
removed enmity combos
all jobs have a good aoe kit
all of them have similar defensive cds
wtf are you people scared of tanking for? its just a dps that mobs target
So what's the first thing you guys are going to do in 6.2?
MSQ then pandaemonium. Then island.
Bully Scarmiglione
this
MSQ, craft new combat gear, cap tomes then logout for a week until there's something to do. Oh wait there's a new extreme right? Then I suppose I might spend a few days doing that if it's fun, depending on how much I feel like farming 99 totems
MSQ, then raids, then unlock Island Sanctuary, then farm Extreme until I get the weapon, then stay on the Island forever
When will we get the FF10 themed expansion?
I'm sure it'll happen one day.
Take me back to that era.
We going to see him again next patch?
thought we killed that dude with the magic rod. though I guess he could have simply been sent back to the void
All the rod does is sever their bond to our world and kill their corporeal form. So yeah, it's just forcing him back into the Thirteenth.
I hope we do as a supporting character, he's not like to start shit on the Void where he can actually, permanently die. We've kicked his ass three or four times now and two of those were after becoming one of the most powerful Voidsent in the universe, and after being loaded into an Allagan primal weapon
Diabolos will join the scions.
How will the Void measure up as a threat compared to the Endsinger and the Final Days?
He's probably in some Voidsent jail for killing Scathach.
we literally fricked his soul up in dalriada
no chance, surely?
He can get beat up and die but he'll still frick off to the Void on death.
SCH is better mechanically but I prefer SGE for the aesthetics. It starts at lv. 70 and plays similarly to SCH.
>SCH is better mechanically
I'll swap back to SCH then, i thought i'd have more abilities for the fairy by now. but im guessing the job got downgraded/stretched across the multiple xpacs
Either it's radically changed since I tried it or you're full of shit. I remember the community having more of a passive aggressive/toxic positivity thing going on than elitism
It's still there, but it added elitism to the list when EW dropped. What happened with EW to where the fanbase turned into insufferable homosexuals almost overnight?
all the wowfugees got bored and went to lost ark or back to wow, so xiv cultists needed a new cope.
looks like some kind of reflect mechanic.
So Zenos is coming back?
No, he's dead. Bringing him back again after his life peaked, finally and definitively, at the end of the universe and fighting WoL fresh from victory over the Endsinger, would be character assassination
Matsuno is a hack and I hope he doesn't return
Wooden booba
Nophica looks like THAT?!
she's too small in certain areas to be Nophica.
Explain to me how I'm not supposed to be elitist when I've been playing this game for 10 years and you started playing it because some homosexual streamer or YouTube grifter told you to
Because we ZODIARK TRANCED!
What is Zodiark Trance?
Something that will make you cringe
Do the fricking morons who make shit like this not understand that Azem and Venat were good friends and alike?
Those people also forget that Azem was against the summoning of Zodiark too
People who make comments such as these forget that he was also against summoning of Hydaelyn.
I don't recall the game ever stating his opinion on Hydaelyn/Sundering.
I think it is more likely Azem was just off dealing with something else and just not involved.
But I don't really give a frick. I don't want to hear about Azem or Ancients again. Too many dumb Shadowbringer fanboys actually think WoL is Azem in a literal sense.
WoL left Venat's message to join her death cult on (Read) according to 5.2 scene after Anamnesis and left to "do whatever (You) imagine he'd do :)". So it's unlikely we'll ever hear about him ever again.
>Too many dumb Shadowbringer fanboys actually think WoL is Azem in a literal sense.
They are both undefined wandering heroes with questionable moral fiber and preference for the most inane questlines imaginable, they might as well be the same people since reincarnation seems to work particularly well for WoL.
My headcanon is that WoL was PUTTING TOGETHER A TEAM to fight Meteion and then Venat killed everyone before he could shove his boot up her ass.
My headcanon is that the moron was probably getting into troubles in soem faraway place or fricking one of Hermes moron birds, I just cant picture Azem doing anything helpful
Azem is the help people person. So they were probably helping other smaller towns that couldn’t deal with the monsters.
>hes just stockpiling grapes
I personally thought Azem was protecting some town from becoming Zodiark feed
>protecting some town from becoming Zodiark feed
Zodiark was a consensual thing, he didnt feed on anyone that wasnt willing.
Yes, and their hate for Venat is super strong. So strong that forgot that wanted us to kill her.
I can't fricking look at derplander anymore without laughing my ass off.
what I understand is that some reddit homosexual said the story was shit and made up some shitty fanfic about a "better ending" for ew
the story is shit
but there's no fanfic that can redeem it
any story (in or outside gaming) is shit
life is shit, there is nothing to enjoy, only seeking lower levels of shittiness until you die
a hilariously edgy idea dreamed up by an autist who hates Venat
Sounds understandable, she was a pretty shitty tacked on character
I hate Venat and even I think that comic was trash.
*unzips* Zodiark Trance these nuts
unironic redditposting
Kino cringe.
Walk
Venat tells everyone to walk... But WoL flies everywhere. What did she mean by this?
Elves are the best race anyway, if you don't play Elf, you have shit taste.
terrible animations, giraffe necks
>giraffe necks
they need that for the dick
>giraffe necks
That means they're built for deepthroating.
Giraffe necks are cute and make them stand out, I love them being lanky motherfrickers in XI and XIV
The day the fix the run animation I'm fantaing
>Demotion
was there a problem with people not trying in crystal or something?
Yeah, people wintrading or playing troll jobs. There's some people at crystal that are autolose on your team, to name a few from Aether Sachi Alt-f-four, Senjuro Kenshin, Anna Bella
People would win trade with a alt account and nothing could be done about it because you couldn’t derank
>savage weapons already btfo ultimate weapons
wew laddie
Wonder if this is the DRK relic weapon
>t. doesn't play DRK
Indeed, where would I get that weapon?
prob the tome weapon, since as an anon in a previous thread pointed out, very similar to the NIN tome weapon we saw
>things spice up in the normal story at and after Ifrit
more like Titan
It's criminal how shit the bow looks as always
the best part about this is that they tried to make it less worth than ultimate by making it less over the top.
but that was exactly what you needed to make it look better.
I hope the third savage tier doesn't look like shit for once
I hope you don't look like shit for once
Every time I see caster and healer gear like this I pray that the skirt is not part of the chest piece. I know it's futile.
Wear the Crystarium armor from MSQ
first tier was limbo not heaven
third tier is heaven
I've wanted a swordspear for Dragoon for so long and I'm so mad it's Savage onry.
MMOs got infected by the wrong people and then devs started catering to them because they're the loudest. That's half the reason the genre's dead.
It breaks the idea that they're not some holy inviolable thing that can never be changed. They were slightly changed a long time ago, and if they had continued to be changed bit by bit with each patch/expansion, they'd be in a better place now.
>no pubes
It's about time XIV got a top tier milf like Ameliance, she needs more porn.
Thoughts on Island Sanctuary? Is anyone actually excited for it?
yeah, tons of people. even after hearing what it's about.
meh
I'll forget about it within 2 days but I'm dead inside so I don't know if others can find fun in it
There are flora logs and stuff so my autism already compels me to spend hundred of hours on this
Nah, I was looking forward to it but the cosmetic rewards are dogshit I mean look at the shit tier overalls it feels like we've had multiple times already
Yeah.
Some casual little "WoL chills out" stuff sounds fun.
I'll try it but I'm still not expecting much even after the presentation.
It seems too much of a 'we did the best system we could with what we have right now' sort of mini game that can never deliver the hype that everyone's conned themselves into.
UMMMM YOUR GOING TO TURN YOUR TANK STANCE ON IF YOUR A TANK, RIGHT?
Oh no Sharalyan bros!
Ironically Sharlayan will probably accept the magitek goobers with open arms since they've got a totally new educational field
Yea compared to garlemald the other parts of the world are legit cave men. But makes sense seeing how they went the magic route and not the technology one.
I wonder if Garlean tech will actually be implemented in any part of the game or if devs will just be too lazy as usual and keep everything the same.
doubt it but it would be nice to have a radio to change the mount music
>portable orchestrion to play our music collection whenever we want
Why haven't they added this yet?!
Hopefully Godbert uses their tech to make more Gold Saucer games.
What always confused me though is why more of Eorzea didn't have trains. Uldah has a train system, although we've never actually seen it.
man, Lahabrea makes me wish we had more old-guy faces available
mmorpgs are failed social experiments
Xiv lacks a challenging endgame so they try their best to put on a guise that it's hard and for elites, (game revolves around yelling in shout chat and afking in cities)
XIV endgame is more challenging than other MMO's so I'm not sure what you're trying to say
Anyone else in the 6.3 waiting lobby since like...1 month after savage dropped? Need at least 3 big patches since I beat literally everything else in the game.
>tfw they're changing earlier raids fights / dungeons along with trusts so it's "technically" new content
why specifically 3 patches why not just wait till all 5 come out
Maybe it's like a halfway point for her
Are you a Freedom Fighter or are you a Global Citizen?
How are they alive? Didn't we see their planet get Terminatored and nuked? Or are they just recreations like the other aliens?
I hope we can get their gear as a MCH. I'd like to combine the helmet with the late allagan set.
Are we getting a secret ra-la mount too?
I haven't played 6.1
What's the mount from Elephantbro Beast Tribes?
hippo racing cart
I HATE THE RUBY DRAGON
I HATE THE RUBY DRAGON
I HATE THE RUBY DRAGON
I HATE THE RUBY DRAGON
I HATE THE RUBY DRAGON
Yes
Screencap the rest of the conversation where I am 99% sure red's response is "ok moron"
No it's ff14 so they'd just type 'ok' and/or shut the frick up so they don't get reported
I'm still in the free trial, I just got SCH to lvl 53, swapped to AST and got that to 53 too. As they're both incomplete and everything so far has been a faceroll they both fricking suck, which is better at 90?
>All the XI homosexuals screeching mog garden instantly BTFO'd by one image
Can't wait for comfy kino
Are you moronic? This is moggarden with Ishgard Restorian reward system on top of it.
>with ishgard resto reward system on top of it
thank god, I was worried
i cant make it to the top bros... its impossible...
>the state of pldsissies and warcucks
>RPR
Wew, talk about a hyped up job that immediately fell out everyone's radar once savage released.
Reaper got nerfed into the ground, people play classes for their performance which is exactly what this breakdown shows.
The only thing that got nerfed was its already weak heal potency from crest breaking.
https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings/44#boss=82&metric=dps
Look at all those reapers, how mysterious the melee that don't appear are the lowest in Ultimate, almost as if people play classes entirely based on performance.
I'm not denying that, but it's damage was never nerfed. It was always this bad compared to the rest.
We know we won
UNLEASH LAHABREA
I CANT BELIEVE THEY'RE GIVING OUT THE NEW bawdWEAR SWIMSUIT FOR FREEE
too bad it dyes like SHIT
It really ought to be, the competitive PvP in this game was butchered in favor of casualized garbage. The prior mode, the Feast, had rewards for the top 100 players of each datacenter which meant only several hundred could get those unique and prestigious rewards, like pic rel. It was the only reward from doing the Feast so casuals threw a fit like usual over not getting anything but the dev team does not give a shit and respects former Feast PvPers in keeping these old rewards exclusive. I told off a sprout the other day for even mentioning that they should bring these rewards back, they don't realize the struggle players had to go through to get these rare armors and mounts to begin with.
Nobody liked Feast.
I liked it, it had actual rewards for one instead of a stupid plate and title. If they ever bring back old Feast rewards you can expect to see massive outrage. Might as well start giving out legacy tattoos because nothing is sacred.
Factually and utterly incorrect, 99% of the leaderboards are legitimate across all DCs.
>it had actual rewards for one
Dummy
>If they ever bring back old Feast rewards
Hellhound weapons were already brought back as a Wolf Collar reward, you can trade them for crystal trophies from doing CC. Nobody was outraged 'cuz nobody played Feast.
You could literally earn hellhound weapons by placing in bronze a couple seasons, NOT TOP 100. Nobody cares about the hellhound weapons anyways, especially knowing you will NEVER get the armor complementing it. And this was confirmed by Yoshi-P himself as he respects PvP's rare rewards and items and does not ever intend to bring them back in any way shape or form.
Haven't seen any hackers on my DC, any excuse to invalidate PvP.
>does not ever intend to bring them back in any way shape or form.
citation needed
https://ff14net.2chblog.jp/archives/55927097.html
>Q. Are there any plans to create a way to obtain past feast reward mounts?
>A. No, we do not. We believe that those mounts were the result of our efforts to get into the rankings back then. P. Yoshida himself, as a gamer, thinks it is important to have such rare items.
Never going to happen.
Feastchads won.
Looks shitty just like the Bozja gear, the Hellfire gear and the new Savage gear.
Sour grapes.
If it looked good I'd be extremely salty for sure, some of the mounts do look cool but mounts are largely irrelevant
>2019
>An interview from 2019 even before CC was even a thing.
>Haven't seen any hackers on my DC
head in the sand, or you just dont play at all
>99% of the leaderboards are legitimate across all DCs.
Coping moron, just see the latest season moron.
Also
>pvp with no anticheat
don't act like feast wasn't completely overrun with wintrading
The new PvP is way better, hence why its actually popular now. The old PvP was extremely niche and had wintrading problems. They are probably going to bring back the old sets, but not exactly. They'll probably change some of the trim colors/update the textures or something and release that instead so its not the exact same. Both sides should be happy with that.
>wintrading problems
There's still a lot of wintrading in both CC and Frontlines.
Frontlines is not only plagued with wintrading, there's also cliques going around, like when summoner was the hottest shit you would have premade statics playing nothing but summoner.
But that’s not win trading, just people playing together
Don't forget that some premades will throw the fight for their Discord buddies in another alliance.
>do something really moronic in fl like jump into a huge murder ball as a DRK
I swear I just have the bloodlust and think my team is still with me
They said old sets would be coming back as part of seasonal rewards but I have no idea if mounts are coming back. I've asked around for PvP seasonal winners what they think and only a very minor(as in 1 in 20) disagree with the rewards coming back and pvp changes. Anon is just salty about his "nobody played it" content not coming back while modt rewards have been confirmed to come back.
I do think however seasonal titles arent coming back at all though
There is still lots of wintrading.
And because its popular, you see a lot more of hacking. Did you forgot the streamer having a meltdown because of a speedhacker when Feast was booming?
They already have reskins, they don't need more and the don't need to return, ever. Let people who earned those rewards actually have their fricking rewards instead of being given out to FL casuals.
Wow, it's Roland! Crossposting, yet again! Everyone say hello! Feast isn't come back! 🙂
>No fall guys XIV crossover
Would be perfect for the summer tower climb
I could do with a Y'shtola costume in Fall Guys, Mai Shiranui got one
>spent the past 2 hours talking about XIV instead of playing it
good, now queue for msq roulette for a high-engagement gameplay
I find it more fun to discuss the game as well
There's nothing to do for 3 weeks anon so why not talk about it or play something else
>nothing to do
JOIN ME IN THE FRONTLINE REVELRY
frick off nobody cares about your shit pvp mode
Only reason I’m in the thread and not playing the game is because I’m at work
https://novacrystallis.com/2022/08/final-fantasy-xiv-live-letter-72-summary-patch-6-2-launches-august-23/
>Be in FC for a while now
>Joined because one of them randomly tell’d me
>Around 9-12 active people
>Probably an equal split between real men and women
>They do maps and savage weekly
>They do lots of posing and use very edgy/goth mods
>They do a fair amount of erp and lewd posing
>Everyone’s chill and friendly
>Borderline zero drama
>Despite me taking long breaks from the game often, they always say hi when I log back on
>People talk to me, I have friends in it
>Whenever I need help someone’s there to help
This FC’s turned out to be really nice. I love my den of degenerates
You have no idea how lucky you are. It's insanely difficult to find people that are loose enough to enjoy casual ERP and lewd posting but also have enough sanity not to confuse fiction with reality and ruin everything when they become insane over the pretend relationships that form as a result of such mentalities.
Every time I open twitter and scroll down on the trending tab it shows me the FFXIV topic. And every time, there is at least one post that is just the purest embodiment of self-wank cringe. People writing about their fricking WoLs with shit like “they became the next Hydaelyn” and “Imagine telling someone your Ascian plot to try and get them on board only for them to just respond by asking how their tea is”. Just shit that makes my skin crawl with how masturbatory and, usually, completely lore-breaking it is. It feels like it’s written by people who never actually played the game and instead based it off of angsty discord posts that their ffxiv-playing friend made.
Hey
Psst
You wanna see bot action ingame?
Go to Mare Lamentorum, the small fishing area cave where you talk to the dog the first time through.
Full of <<Wanderers>> Botting away, turning in fish to scrips to sell.
Every server, I guarantee it.
You sound like a Namazu that is trying to sell me something.
Just go check it out, it's funny!
yes, we know its full of bots, in every aspect
nobody cares, because they are smart enough to hide it from normies
Yea I seen that, I still wonder why they even do that because gil is worthless and only morons would try to rmt and get banned
fwosh fwosh!
the redditor deleted it
but im posting the full thing anyway so just wait a bit
the end
Please stop, I can’t take the cringe
I mean, Meteion literally stop the fight for "We are praying for the power of friendship" shit.
You should be immune to this type of cringe.
But she is a cute bird girl
>I alone is enough for this fight
I can see the three wolf moon t-shirt on author as they wrote this.
This is pretty good where can I read the full thing?
https://twitter.com/varlfhanred/status/1553812471344812034
Why does this stuff give me the same feelings I get when I watch fricking Kingdom Hearts Parking Lot. Why does it feel just so visceral
Because those are the type of people who wrote this shit.
>DUAL WIELD
While the whole comic is the general low hanging fruit kind of cringe, I'd like to appreciate the bottom panel of this page. The back turned toward the reader, face hidden as to leave the emotions going through WoL's head to readers imagination, the beginning of a monologue all drip with the 2000~s chuuni bullshit so hard you could swear there's Linking Park playing somewhere nearby. I great, I hate it.
I wish the comic had worse art, poorly drawn stuff makes stuff filled with cringe look much more 2000s
>wow thats so kino, mind if I borrow the idea for uhmmm, a project of mine