Why modern mmorpgs have dropped world building, class uniqueness, different builds, RNG and other rpg elements in favor of sanatized gameplay where ev...

Why modern mmorpgs have dropped world building, class uniqueness, different builds, RNG and other rpg elements in favor of sanatized gameplay where everyone does the same and everything is instanced with no use of the world?
FFXIV being one example of it.

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    because the former is too difficult for the casual audience to have patience for. and the casual audience is where the money is.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Casuals just need to search for a meta build and be done. That's not an excuse to gutter everything.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >casuals should just use the meta build
        >sweaties are always going to use the meta build
        why have anything other than the meta build?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          the problem isn't the existence of a meta the problem is the lack of customization
          you can have alternatives be equal numerically and boil down to playstyle or personal preference
          take the EW SMN rework. all of the previous SMN players think it's boring dogshit but it attracted a lot of newer players that enjoy the fire-and-forget flashy animations and ease of execution. imagine if SMN had alternate builds that let you pick one style over the other instead of alienating the existing playerbase by throwing the job in the garbage and starting over from scratch
          the same could be said of gunmage, bowmage, old DRK, etc.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          depending on the game in mmos I've had specific builds for
          -farming shit solo
          -leveling
          -pvp
          -boss killing
          -playing in a small group
          -playing in a big group
          -playing in a specific group for synergies
          all with different skill, stat and gear builds. there's usually tons of activities where one meta choice doesnt fit, or where one meta choice doesnt matter and isnt the most important thing. all of those builds also got me to go for different types of loot which created gameplay opportunities
          not every game is FF14 or WoW raiding where DPS is king. and even WoW has some minute adjustments in a given scenario but its minor compared to other MMOs I've played.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The only modern MMO that's even close to this experience is runescape/OSRS

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I look forward to seeing how Jagex trolls their players since they've been doing a fine job with the pride parades.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              yes the situation is grim.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      its not a casual audience problem
      you don't design a ton of unique classes if the playerbase congregates around certain meta builds anyway, world pvp never turns out the way you think(network instability, performance issues, aggressive culling, ect), full loot pvp only really works if the loot in question is common and there are regular inventory and server resets(rust and Conan Exiles for example and these don't really qualify as mmos), players generally don't spend that much time out in the world after a certain point (even the most casual players will scrape the world after a certain point)
      people have forgotten quickly and effectively small groups of organized players can dominate the game world and economy while gatekeeping other players out and then you would be here complaining about that instead

      people like the idea of these kinds of mmos because they think themselves the top dog alpha predator or some stupid shit like that, when confronted with reality they argue the things that made them lose are fundamentally Degen and are killing the genre, but the fact is this genre has and always will be a race to the most degenerate
      mmos have to be designed so YOU can actually play the game, I have seen both sides of this shit and I no longer hold any illusions on what actually has to be done to make this genre work

      having an audience not trapped in a captive ecosystem for 10 years also helps

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Good post
        You also have to keep in mind that the genre is where it is not because of developer meddling but because every single casualization and streamlining that people complain about was regularly and consistently begged for by the MMO audience a decade and change ago
        They simply changed their tune when they got what they wanted and pined for "the good old days" when really what they long for is a time when these games weren't massive undertakings by an army of developers churning out soulless slop, and that's part of the reason XIV is so popular and feels so genuine - it has a tiny dev team and budget compared to modern WoW or even shit like ESO or Destiny

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the casual audience isn't real.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's very real in XIV.
        On the West side, only like 5% of the player finish a 4th floor of savage.
        And even less do stuff like ultimate.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    because no one cares for or has time to sit in the dunes with 5 other retards arguing with ANOTHER gaggle of retards over who gets spawns

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >FFXIV
    >dropped world building
    what?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      All the zones are shit tbqh. None of them feel alive or conected to the world. Maybe the ARR zones.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You sound like someone who haven't played past ARR

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I'm sadly still playing and i can say it's only cuz my friends still play otherwise there's no way i' would be playing this shit.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I can kind of understand the criticism. While the zones are useful in telling a story and are great as a concept, designwise it feels disconnected. Theres no caves or notable locations that do something, theres nothing "hidden" to find and it does feel like a section of a map rather than its on standalone thing

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >theres nothing "hidden" to find
            Because everyone uses a guide
            They tried your exploration experiment with Diadem and it was a travesty that they put way too many resources into trying to fix until it became the slave labor that it is now

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Theres no caves or notable locations that do something, theres nothing "hidden" to find
            >he never hunted behemoths
            >he doesn't have a frog suit
            >he doesn't complete sightseeing without a guide

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >he never hunted behemoths
              >he doesn't have a frog suit
              These aren't even remotely hidden when there's a discord chud server for everything collectible in this game.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >These aren't even remotely hidden when there's a discord chud server for everything collectible in this game.
                If that's your answer, then there will never be anything ever hidden in a game anymore.
                Because there will always be discord autists (=trannies) who will deboonk any secret, with 3rd party software if necessary.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >discord
                That's your problem, amigo

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    because it actually fucking WORKS and you can build a game thousands of people still enjoy out of it, instead of a buggy insane mess that is a nightmare to balance and build for

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If you get rid of dps check you would have more leeway on stuff.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >No DPS check
        >DPS aren't needed anymore
        >Why take frail DPS when full tank party can clear easier and even cheese fights

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Ok don't take any dps and make the fight be like half an hour long? lmao.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            A clear is a clear.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              yeah and that's a choice that you could make in a good game. If you want it even more balanced then make tanks deal even less damage alongisde healers so what you said would take more than an hour if you don't take dps.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Why is it a bad game for requiring you to put together a team that isn't dogshit at doing damage, but can still survive the fight?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Because that's what starting to create the problems with balancing, moron read the chain.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            As opposed to 60 minutes because a DPS dies multiple times during a mechanic that required pairs or stacking, thus causing everyone to die and the whole group wipes? Sure.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >world building
    The MMO you're posting gets lambasted for spending its entire base-game on worldbuilding, since nobody played 1.X.
    >class uniqueness,
    What did he mean by this?
    >different builds,
    Builds are fucking overrated, keep it to singleplayer games.
    >RNG
    Who wants RNG in a multiplayer environment? It's not TF2 where crits are silly, it's an RPG.
    >where everyone does the same and everything is instanced with no use of the world?
    I can complain about this for basically every MMO of the past 25 years that if you've got a class, you're going to Be That Class and not some imaginary expectation you had of that class.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    cynical game design - "players will just behave a certain way when given a choice therefore we should remove the choice"

    it's a lot easier than actually creating innovations for the genre

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      "Dude just like be innovative"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Even if everyone goes meta (to an extend because there are still people who like to theorycraft) it gives the sense of having a choice wich is what RPG are all about. Also don't ever come with "duuuude it's too much balancing". You fucking pay 15-13$ why the fuck do you care abou tthe gays needing to work more for what they're being paid?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >it gives the sense of having a choice
        It gives me the sense of being fucking pigeon-holed by the objectively best choice, such that I'd rather not even have the illusion of choice if I don't actually have one.
        >You fucking pay 15-13$ why the fuck do you care abou tthe gays needing to work more for what they're being paid?
        Dude just balance your game like total shit, it's fine they need to earn their paycheck lmao. Aren't you a bright one suggesting they intentionally introduce problems so you can look forward to the day they might fix them.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          XIV has the opposite problem of being so absurdly sterile that it no longer really qualifies as an RPG. things like class choice and stats are vestigal relics at this point

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Stats matter a ton in FF14, depending on your SKS or SPS you literally have different rotations

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              except going beyond a certain sks can completely fuck up your rotation due to drifting. and regardless of sks you still have the same rotation no matter what

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >has never played FFXIV

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              that is the only stat in the entire game with a direct gamplay impact, the rest are either 'damage number goes up' or 'literally worthless why does this even exist still'

              the game also doesn't teach you about this single choice so expect it to be removed in a later patch under the pretense of balance

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >meta stats is quite literally Critical Hit and Critical Hit 2.

                its pretty boring

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              m8 your game is so neutered that you think this is a a big deal.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Oh no, now 6 minutes in the fight your 1st hit of your GCD combo is going to be in the burst phase, not the 3rd hit. This changes everything.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                m8 your game is so neutered that you think this is a a big deal.

                that is the only stat in the entire game with a direct gamplay impact, the rest are either 'damage number goes up' or 'literally worthless why does this even exist still'

                the game also doesn't teach you about this single choice so expect it to be removed in a later patch under the pretense of balance

                Im not sure what you want in a MMO then? Like NO mmo's support more than one "general" core rotation.

                Heck most mmo's dont even HAVE proper rotations for some classes

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I dont think you have ever played an MMO that isnt FF14.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Ive played WoW, SWTOR, and ESO.

                WoW has the worst class design by far, where SWTOR is kind of fun, but since every class is just priority system it kinda gets boring after awhile

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Then you really dont get to talk about the genre.
                And WoW absolutely has much better class design than FF14.
                Not only do classes have multiple specs that play wildly different, even in the specs you can have great variety depending on the build choices.
                FF14 has none of that. When it comes to utility and situational tools the classes shit all over FF14 jobs too.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                lmao

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                lmao indeed.
                FF14 players would literally kill themselves in anger if a job had something as impactful as warlock gateways.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Warlock Gateways are bad for WoW raid Design along with immunities, hence why almost all of wow raid fights are stat checks

                Change my mind

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                if they were stat checks people would actually clear the raids en masse after getting bis.
                but they dont.
                your premise falls apart.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                They literally do, for the world first raiders its doing split raids on a dozen characters to maximize gear and for more normal players its getting set bonuses and legendaries

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                negative. most normal players never clear a raid tier until the next one is out.
                gear helps and is mandatory to a degree which it should, but merely clearing the stat check is never enough.

                Stat checks means the fight changes in how you handle mechanics as you get better gear, aka less people need to soak, less heals are needed, less dps is needed/ you skip phases.

                FF14 you really dont get to stat check much in fights because of ilvl sync

                gear absolutely changes encounters in FF14 as ilvl sync does not actually lock at one ilvl. it just limits it to a range to prevent extreme overgearing.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The absolute cope on you

                WoW raids are completely braindead after the 2 world first guilds have cleared it and every boss has been nerfed by 30-50%

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                negative. most normal players never clear a raid tier until the next one is out.
                gear helps and is mandatory to a degree which it should, but merely clearing the stat check is never enough.

                [...]
                gear absolutely changes encounters in FF14 as ilvl sync does not actually lock at one ilvl. it just limits it to a range to prevent extreme overgearing.

                Even though I defend the guy contradicting me, he is right you CAN outgear ilvl sync'd stuff just not to the same extreme to be fair. its really noticeable when syncing to old raids and dungeons, but my comment was more to recent content.

                But again you are right and I shouldve made that clear

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                well thats just not reality.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I mean its actually true, if someone has the full nerf list for Anduin on hand, its not even the same fight as when its cleared, like it was nerfed almost 80%

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Current WoW raid:
                https://www.wowhead.com/news/all-nerfs-and-changes-to-sepulcher-of-the-first-ones-bosses-on-all-difficulties-327428

                Current FFXIV raid: boss HP reduced by 1%

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                cool.
                doesnt change the reality that most people dont clear it regardless.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I accept you concession

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Stat checks means the fight changes in how you handle mechanics as you get better gear, aka less people need to soak, less heals are needed, less dps is needed/ you skip phases.

                FF14 you really dont get to stat check much in fights because of ilvl sync

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I will agree that WoW has better utility and situational tools, but it has terrible class design where some specs are literally 30%+ behind in damage. The "multiple specs" that play wildly different is literally different ways of builders and spenders with minute differences. Frost Mage and Arcane Mage? essentially the same
                Assasination and Combat? essentially the same
                Ret Pally and fucking Prot Pally? Literally the same.
                And dont get me started on their joke of "talents" which I know are getting re-worked but they were so garbage shit

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Frost Mage and Arcane Mage? essentially the same
                what the fuck man

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Pop ArcanePower/IcyVeins , put down RoP use your talent moves Comet/Magi spam in the rotation IceLance/Missles and Blast
                Conserve until next burst

                Like yeah theres SOME differences but it plays the same. Fire does play differently with a proc fish build

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I don't even like wow but it objectively has better class design than xiv
                can't comment on swtor or eso

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                rotations are fine, rather they're inevitable
                but you should at least have an element of randomness to it that makes you pay attention, like black mages do
                also classes should each bring something unique and have tools for different situations instead of literally just doing their rotation over and over, that shit is literally data entry
                I know they claim having unique buffs/debuffs/other abilities would unbalance the game, but it's already unbalanced. since the few special abilities classes do get are hardly impactful, the utility of a class is literally just measured in dps, so classes with worse dps, like red mage and machinist, don't get to prog ultimates
                if they had unique utilities there'd be an incentive to include them
                I hate to make the comparison but that's what wow started doing back in bc and it worked

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Unfortunately WoW classic showed that it DOESNT work and thats why it was removed. Its good for high level play but sucks shit for the 90% other people.
                I disagree with the fact every class should have randomness, I think thats what makes some classes fun, but if everyone had it, it would be annoying/shit. Thats like saying every class should have a builder/spender like in WoW which is what ruined the game. But I can see the point you are trying to make and I agree, but Its more complicated that make it random to keep people on their toes.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                what was removed?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >so classes with worse dps, like red mage and machinist, don't get to prog ultimates
                anon what the fuck are you talking about. Red mages get bought to prog a lot because being able to dualcast some resses can often let you see a mechanic that you wouldn't otherwise

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah until you've seen all mechanics and get ready to clear, then they switch to a job that actually does damage. Red mage and machinist were the jobs that took the longest to have any DSR clears logged.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            By whose fucking criteria is it not an RPG?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              probably the criteria where you never make any choices in or out of combat
              you do a linear msq, go through linear dungeons, play severely homogenized classes with almost no abilities aside from "do damage" and "heal", fight bosses that are the video game equivalent of simon says, and spam the exact same rotation against every enemy in the game no matter what with no thought or strategy, with the lone exception being that you spam your much simpler aoe rotation against pointless trash mob packs
              even the optional parts of the game that actually resemble a game, like playing blu or doing eureka, are completely disconnected from the rest of the game and your only rewards for doing them are titles and cosmetics

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                What I'm reading here is "It's not an RPG because I don't like it."

                By the absolute barest of minimums. You don't allocate stats, you don't choose abilities and gear is literally just putting on whatever has the highest ilvl. The closet thing resembling an RPG in this game is materia, even then it's a niche system mostly used by savage raiders and parsetrannies

                >You don't allocate stats,
                Wrong on the very first point, shithead. Go find a /vg/ thread to infest.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I mean I guess if your criteria for an RPG is literally "you play as a character" then ffxiv would count
                in which case my favorite RPGs are metal gear solid 3 and god hand

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >probably the criteria where you never make any choices in or out of combat
                Okay, so the NES has no RPGs. You don't really make any choices in Dragon Quest.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                DQ isn't really much of an rpg, but it is still more of an rpg than ffxiv, at least during the msq
                you do still have to grind with intentionality and develop strategies for how you grind, like gradually exploring more dangerous areas and maximizing your mp usage, and the doesn't hold your hand for much of it, you need to go out of your way to talk to npcs to find out how to progress and where to look for certain hidden items instead of the game holding your hand and just taking you straight there
                but yeah, I agree dq1 isn't really much of an rpg

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >develop strategies
                >for how you grind
                God, fuck off, you're trying so hard to keep it out of the category. Go to GameFAQs with this opinion. Tell them Final Fantasy 7 isn't an RPG. Come back with results.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                hey I'm just answering your question you sperg, i don't care about some arbitrary definition of RPG
                I also don't care about gamefaqs, what does it have to do with anything?
                and yes you need a strategy for grinding in DQ, grinding is pretty much all that game is, lots of older jprgs were mostly grinding, especially their mmos
                grinding strategically was like 95% of ffxi

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >gamefaqs, what does it have to do with anything?
                he's telling you to go to another forum where you can get laughed at for your shit opinion
                but i don't think you needed me to tell you that

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                why would I or anyone else care what those weirdos think?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                sharp as a sack of wet mice ain'tcha

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                why do you hold the opinions of gamefaq's posters in such high regard?
                and why do you feel so personally attacked when somebody mocks and derides a video game you play?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Claims one rpg is more of rpg than another.
                Dawg did you know legend of zelda is an rpg? Yah that genre title is fucking worthless. It later gained the more accurate "adveture" genre title but fucking rpg means any fucking game.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Good thing nobody uses "RPG" to refer to literally any game where you play as a character

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you make a choice at the end.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The deep and challenging choice to let it idle on the The End screen forever, or turn the NES off.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                thats actually the second choice.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              By the absolute barest of minimums. You don't allocate stats, you don't choose abilities and gear is literally just putting on whatever has the highest ilvl. The closet thing resembling an RPG in this game is materia, even then it's a niche system mostly used by savage raiders and parsetrannies

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Well you're objectively wrong by your own metric since the BiS is never just the full savage set or full crafted set

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                BiS does not matter unless your a savage raider or parsechud. The average player will throw on whatever gives them highest ilvl and they'll still be able to complete all the content just fine.

                What I'm reading here is "It's not an RPG because I don't like it."
                [...]
                >You don't allocate stats,
                Wrong on the very first point, shithead. Go find a /vg/ thread to infest.

                Why lie? You don't allocate shit in this game. Closest thing to stat allocation was anima weapon

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Why lie? You don't allocate shit in this game. Closest thing to stat allocation was anima weapon
                your next cope will be "materia doesn't matter"

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >if I preempt their valid point by flacidly mocking it, it makes it vanish!

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >if i never acknowledge that my argument isn't located anywhere within this dimensional reality, i win

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                when's the last time you made ANY choice in materia allocation?
                when's the last time you didn't just look up how much skill speed or spell speed to put for your class and then just fill the rest with +crit?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You can slot Craftsmanship into a combat job's weapon if you feel like. That's not a good idea and it's functionally useless, but it's a thing you can do. Hell, you can meld Mind and other defunct materia that have no stat gain whatsoever. It's no different from taking a trap choice in an old MMO that you'd probably rush to the defense of, for example Maplestory where it's an objectively bad idea to put SP into Recover HP On Ladders as a Warrior class, but it's a thing you can do.

                "Yeah, well, there's only one right choice!" strays so far from the actual point that it's somewhere in the stratosphere, and out there in low-orbit it's right along with old MMOs that ran under the exact same principles you're complaining about being present in XIV. I've been running along this comment chain and I really do not get where you've come to the conclusion that materia "doesn't count" as stat allocation. What does count? I'm guessing you're thinking of a skill tree and an actual window to allocate points given by leveling up, but that's obviously not the sole way that stat allocation has ever worked in an RPG; this is a system that not even tabletop games like Dungeons & Dragons will follow 100% of the time.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                who tf played maplestory?
                bro the only mmo I played that I actually liked was ffxi, and in that you go out of your way to get gear that actually have different bonuses and effects and you rapidly swap between them with macros

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                who cares what you think if you're mad new games aren't FFXI

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                why would you think someone has to be mad at something to not like it?
                I still play ffxi, i actually like it more now than back then because its way less grindy

                lucky for you FFXI still exists so you can go and play it instead of crying about things that don't even effect you

                and again, why do you think criticizing something is equivalent to crying about it?
                i've gained some real insight into how the two of you think
                you know not everything in the world is adversarial right? you can have a mild opinion on something

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                lucky for you FFXI still exists so you can go and play it instead of crying about things that don't even effect you

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Materia is below CoD attachments in terms of how much it affects your actual gameplay. They have such a minute affect on your gameplay that only the top 1% can even tell the difference between player who slot proper matera and those with no materia. If you think materia is comparable to actually stat allocations like choosing between CON, STR, DEX, WIS, etc, then you're nothing but a disingenuous cocksucker.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Materia is below CoD attachments in terms of how much it affects your actual gameplay
                There's nothing to gain from talking to you.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Right back at you. CoD attachments actually have tradeoffs and requires the player to actually put a minor amount of thought into how they want to play the game. Meanwhile tanks, healers and dps all just use CRIT materia where applicable when they don't need anymore Skill speed or spell speed. And again, materia optimisation is something that only benefits the top 1% players at most.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >you're not worth talking to!
                >continues rambling to a brick wall
                retard

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Get BTFO'd
                >Starts pissing and shitting himself over a few sentences
                Expected.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                mate what

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You're still here?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you still are so hey why not

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Why? You're not obviously not interested in a discussion, stop replying and just lurk. Bitch.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You can also slot nothing and still be fine in most content. This is the problem with thinking materia makes xiv an RPG. Choice only counts if it's meaningful. Materia is not a meaningful choice. The best melds and the worse melds are just a few extra percentages of damage. Nothing about your gameplay really changes because of materia.
                Imagine if dungeon gear had set bonuses, that did things like, give you a new ability when wearing them, or getting healed also gave you a barrier or some shit. Suddenly you have an actual choice to make, do you wear the higher stat raid gear, or the lower stat dungeon set with a potentially game altering ability? This is what people mean when they say XIV is not an RPG. There are no meaningful gameplay decisions, only optimization.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >mfw FF1 has more meaningful choices in gearing than a high budget MMO in the same franchise 30 years later

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Its gearing is almost fucking identical, and let's not pretend that elemental weaknesses aren't cancerous in a rotation MMO.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the problem is that everything can ultimately be boiled down to option A has a bigger number than option B by sweatlords
                and when its all set out like that, it's illogical to not pick the bigger number

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >do you wear the higher stat raid gear, or the lower stat dungeon set with a potentially game altering ability?
                You would just wear the higher level gear because having more defense, HP, and damage is always worth more than a meme ability, unless the meme ability is so overpowered as to be gamebreaking and ruining the content.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >when's the last time you made ANY choice in materia allocation?
                >when's the last time you didn't just look up how much skill speed or spell speed to put for your class and then just fill the rest with +crit?

                NTA but I cleared p5s 3 days from release as PLD with nothing but Tenacity slotted because booger colored Carbuncle hit like a truck. No one every said anything to me.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                this is exactly why mmos don't need to be so homogenized
                sub-optimal builds and party loadouts still work
                as long as you can kill the boss why does it matter if you have the strongest builds or the right gear?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I already mentioned materia in my initial post you fucking retard. How about you read before you post.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        i never said it was good game design, just answering OP's question

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      In literally any MMO where there's those "choice" there will always be a meta, something that's superior even if by 0.5%, and you will be kicked or ostracized for not following it.

      Fucking hell, just look at what happened with Worlo classic.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      no choice > false choice

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      all you have to do is make the gameplay so complicated that it becomes impossible to determine which classes are numerically superior

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        worked for guild wars

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      spending time on something 99% of players will not interact with is a waste of dev time

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Why the fuck do ultimate raids exist then

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          nta but ultimates take a backseat to the rest of the content in the game, much to the butthurt of raidmorons.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I loved streamers throwing fits when Dragonsong's Reprise got delayed.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ultimates shouldnt even be made given how bad the content FFXIV has been getting is.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      also known as soulless design.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    WoW ruined the MMO Genre. Now every MMO is some garbage carebear PvE themepark.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm sorry to say that WoW proved there was much more of a market for theme-park MMOs than there was for sandbox MMOs.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Despite what revisionist make you think but WoW at the beggining wasn't like this. He didn't invent nothing but everyone saw that you can casualize the mmorpg much more for some reason.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        "Hardcore" MMOs are aggressively unfun for most people and the greasy haired grognard audience has never been the actual main audience of Massively Multiplayer games. They're the whales, not the target.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Why modern mmorpgs have dropped world building, class uniqueness, different builds, RNG and other rpg elements in favor of sanatized gameplay where everyone does the same and everything is instanced with no use of the world?
    because modern mmo players don't care for that kind of stuff anymore. They play mmos for erp and care only for big dps in whatever endgame treadmill they're playing

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I hate ffxiv, but it still has a lot of good ideas
    making quests more interesting and rewarding, making levelling take longer, make questing in open world zones and forming xp parties be the most efficient way to level (in addition to dungeon and raid dailies) and having trash mobs that aren't pathetic pushovers that can actually keep up with you when they chase you would I think improve the game lot
    giving classes more abilities that actually do stuff besides damage and healing and, in general, making them less homogenous would be good too
    also they need to cut out like 90% of the cutscenes. cutscenes should be few and far between and actually be interested and well animated instead of being ten minutes of some unimportant generic npcs emoting at eachother and talking about getting eggs or whatever
    I actually thinking the raiding is pretty decent, I like FATEs, I like level sync keeping older dungeons and raids relevant, and I like class changing, but the actual levelling and questing in that game is unbelievably boring, and that happens to be the thing i like in mmos
    also their story isn't half as good as its stans claim it to be, it's not even the best mmo story around, that would be tor, they have significantly better cutscenes and dialogue and even a handful of genuinely interesting characters, while ffxiv has like 3

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >making quests more interesting and rewarding, making levelling take longer, make questing in open world zones and forming xp parties be the most efficient way to level (in addition to dungeon and raid dailies) and having trash mobs that aren't pathetic pushovers that can actually keep up with you when they chase you would I think improve the game lot
      but those things arent true.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        you are incorrect

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ?t=68

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Goys need their slop.
    An average MMOfag at this point just wants something to numb the pain of his pathetic existence and keep him occupied with flashing lights and daily missions and new 40$ cash shop only comsetics in a 15$/m game.
    Having an actual social vidoegame runs the risk of people enjoying themselves and that's just wrong and hateful and bigoted, anon.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That isn't everyone who plays videogames?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not me at the very least. I try to experience some shit instead of just filling the void.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the real answer is people want to feel like they're making progress and that's not reliably achievable in a game where you rely on other people to progress
    personally I don't see the point in playing an mmo alone, but people want their "content"

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    most MMOs arent so bad.
    its really mostly just FF14 that is this awful anti-mmo by design.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You wowdrones are so obvious

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        rent free.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's so obvious when it's not even your first post in the thread

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            meds

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            rent free.

            lmao indeed.
            FF14 players would literally kill themselves in anger if a job had something as impactful as warlock gateways.

            You wowdrones are so obvious

            ffxiv and wow are practically the same game
            you morons are like the sunni and shia

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because the majority of people who currently play video games have no patience for the kind of balance issues that comes from having varied gameplay. This is the future of anything multiplayer.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    WoW is the worst mmo out there because it ruined all creativity in mmo's. Before WoW ruled the market we had Superhero mmo's, medieval fantasy, huge Worlds with expansive lore and love.
    Then WoW came along and sucked everything out of the market.
    Look at the state of WoW now, releasing Skyrim themed dragons 10 years after the dragon craze died, it not only is out of style and fashion but completely destroys it's own content to force people into their fomo content in order to squeeze more people from people buying current thing.
    It's the worst mmo and that is all to say.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      they're doing a dragon expac literally because of guild wars 2
      just like before that they did a shadow expac because of ffxiv
      they're even ripping off gw2's flying mounts now
      they are genuinely creatively bankrupt

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You ever notice that every obsessed sperg with a hateboner for Final Fantasy 14 does everything in their power to try and say it's not an RPG?

    What's the obsession with it not being an RPG? What does removing it from the category even accomplish for an argument? It's the most fucking banal point of attack I can think of.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's an MMORPG that's neither RPG nor an MMO.
      It doesn't matter that it's not an RPG but it's a fucking joke when the online elements in this subscription based MMO are basically all just instanced content and ERP at nightclubs.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This did absolutely nothing to interact with or address anything within my post. You're just telling me you don't like it. I got that part, since you had no interest in interacting with my post. I've heard about this great new MMO called Play In Traffic, where you make deep and complicated decisions in real-time.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You ever notice that every obsessed sperg with a hateboner for Final Fantasy 14 does everything in their power to try and say it's not an RPG?

          What's the obsession with it not being an RPG? What does removing it from the category even accomplish for an argument? It's the most fucking banal point of attack I can think of.

          you smug xiv trannies killed the whole genre, congratulations

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Another completely obvious mazed wowbuck

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >why do mmo fans dislike a design that shits on most of the genres core ideas
      dunno man

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You're not an "mmo fan" you're a wowdrone

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          you are mentally ill and obsessed with an mmo FF14 copied nearly 1:1.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >>>/vg/

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >game let's you change classes and play every class on one character
    >still homogenizes all the classes and content so every class can equally participate in everything
    this is literally communist game design
    let each class have dungeons quests and areas where they shine, let them have a little fucking identity
    if you wanna do a particular thing that your main class doesn't typically get brought to, then just level a class that does, it's not like it takes much investment in this game

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      based game design GOD making 6 more blue mages

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        EVERY class should be blue mage

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      We had that with cross-class where you flat out didn't have Provoke if you didn't level the right tank, and it fucking sucked.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        thats just because they did it wrong.
        instead of making jobs stand out with the cool shit they had they just made incomplete jobs that had to borrow shit from others.
        but instead of changing it for the better they just scrapped it for the easy way out.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >they did it wrong
          >they should have stuck to their guns
          Make up your mind.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            retarded.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You very easily could do cross skills now with utility skills instead of core skills.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    okay so do people actually like final fantasy 14?
    I thought it was one of those internet jokes like everyone pretending to like morbius

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah 1.4 million morbheads playing currently. It's all a big meme, you should try it out and we can morb all over Sephiroth.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        you mean sephirot

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          sephirot is full

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    all you need is what you have in 14. Obsessed people who have made it part of their synthetic identity. People who have "friends" in digital-only contexts. I expect further such digital prisons to emerge as years go by.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      ironic

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Ganker as digital prison? I find this far less compelling...Anonymity makes it so nothing matters, no bonds are formed.
        Rather, it is a place where one can speak freely and so people return. This is far different.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What did they mean by this?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He wants to fuck Estinien, as we all do.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Fujos being fujos.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You don't need fun when you have content anon
    It's all about the content

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Genuine non-troll question for ffxiv players.
    What is it that you find appealing about going to "clubs" in ffxiv and ERPing with the people there?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I don't
      that's cringe

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      people who do those things don't actually play the game

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you only really ERP if you're an apex degen. Most people don't participate in it but you hear about it because it's really really good gossip.
      I personally find it hot to have a bratty mesugaki lala fellating my cock so

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I don't but we all know you're a troll acting like there's only one thing to do in ffxiv

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      After some twenty years of Goldshire existing in WoW, it amazes me that somehow nightclubs, ERP, and DJs in FFXIV are weird, cringe, and alien to people that will hammer their bell about what a frickin' based MMO oldfag they are.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        wow you've got all this lore built up inside your head already to based your retarded assumptions on
        I know all mmo's are filled with degenerate weirdos, but we're not talking about those right now are we? this is a ffxiv thread and, being someone who has never seen any appeal in ERPing, I decided to ask for some insight into it in a thread for a game with a well known ERP scene
        now get over yourself you sensitive gay and give me a straight answer or don't answer at all
        seriously, of all the things to be aggrieved by, you get upset at a game you play getting misrepresented-but-not-really?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Don't pretend like you were being genuine, dummy.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i know it's Ganker and all but plenty of people are capable of being genuine on here

            You got a handful of replies and that's the one you choose to mald over? Looks like he hit a nerve and you are a bad faith troll as expected

            all of the other replies were real answers, albeit mostly non-answers about how they don't participate and therefore cannot comment, but your post alone accused me of being a bad faith troll despite having zero evidence to base that on, so of course that's the one i'll reply to

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >all of the other replies were real answers
              yet you latched onto the answer that was "i fundamentally do not understand how you are offended by this"

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                at what point did I say anything about being offended?
                why do you perceive everything as an attack?
                I literally prefaced my question by saying "genuine non-troll question" specifically for people like you that would immediately assume that it would be a troll answer

                You were not being genuine. Just drop the act.

                I hope this isn't how every interaction with you goes with other people

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                holy fucking shit everything you post is designed to keep an argument about nothing going
                why are you like this

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                if that's what you think then stop replying to me
                i think you're just upset that I called you out on making an unfounded assumption and are trying aggressively to convince yourself that it was actually correct

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >you're just mad i called you out and
                there it fucking is again
                you're an emotional and social void with nothing but arguments, obsessed with being correct in an argument with no end-point and assuming everyone else is too
                even if you're not serious you're still an NPC by thinking this is funny
                now if you'll excuse me i'm going to kill myself

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                hurling insults at somebody isn't a good argument
                I don't know why you're even arguing with me so much, just admit that you jumped to an incorrect conclusion based on a faulty assumption and move on with your life
                or alternatively, just stop replying to me if it upsets you that much
                you act like it takes effort to post on Ganker and like its some kind of emotional strain

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not a racist but I really fucking hate morons

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              You were not being genuine. Just drop the act.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You got a handful of replies and that's the one you choose to mald over? Looks like he hit a nerve and you are a bad faith troll as expected

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          daiperbaby

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >see xiv thread
            >give it a skim
            >notice my toon's name

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's because these retards only have tertiary knowledge of rp. All they know about rp is from greentext stories they've read on Ganker.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        my favorite part is when people pretend balmung is some wretched hive of degeneracy when even at its worst its still just tuesday in goldshire

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It was funny as fuck moving to Balmung while it was still just Primal and Aether and they were totally in on the reputation as a joke. I miss their sheer economical power from when crafting/gathering wasn't as widespread as it is now, but on the other hand I'm on Coeurl now and it's leeched all of Balmung's crafting power into itself so prices are good here, can't complain.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      being a former rp fag from wow the "roleplay" scene in xiv makes me fucking mad. it's not in universe or in character they just go to a basement and /beesknees

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There is no fucking way you've actually tried to roleplay in this game if you think that

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Have you tried looking for roleplay outside of club ads in BF?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          PF*

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >do the most absolute entry level rp you can do
        >bro the rp scene here sucks
        How about you actually try and join a community or something?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The vast majority of people don't see the appeal and avoid it, it's just that assblasted gays on Ganker will rant without end about XIV being a chud ERP simulator (despite never having played a second of the game) and can't admit that you will never run in to that shit if you don't go looking for it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The absolute malding over the billboard incident on Ganker when most people who played the game didn't even care or thought it was hilarious

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          People getting mad about that confused the shit out of me, everybody I knew with half a brain-stem laughed at it. I knew some buddies that were crowding around their FC house and all that but when I checked in on it it was pretty much everybody circling the house to talk about what a fucking braindead move it was.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I assumed that very few people actually did participate in ERP but I was hoping somebody who did could tell me about why they like it
        I saw people in-game advertising those events and I was genuinely confused as to why somebody would think that it's fun

        you only really ERP if you're an apex degen. Most people don't participate in it but you hear about it because it's really really good gossip.
        I personally find it hot to have a bratty mesugaki lala fellating my cock so

        so what do you actually do, just describe pornographic scenes to eachother?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          basically just describe porno to each other yes. It's good writing practice tbh since the better your prose the steamier the scene. You just have to know the right people though. More often than not ERPers are basically just
          >*jacks off on your mouth but sensually*
          tier and that just feels like talking to an actual retard

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I see
            do you masturbate irl when you do this?
            how does it compare with viewing more conventional pornography?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Well, I rather not fill this thread with my personal yoinky sploinky habits. However I'll usually not jack it during because writing good scenes does take some effort. If it's that good shit I'll come back to it mentally or re read logs though. In that later aspect it's really no different than normal pornography

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                huh that's not the answer I expected
                I assumed you'd always be whacking it during
                the more you know

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You'll be tempted to but the problem is your motivation will just fucking die if you cum or get distracted.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                so when you go to find an ERP partner do you just send a message to somebody with a character you find attractive?
                I'm assuming you have some kind of friend group for this kind of thing too

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Interesting more than attractive, frankly.

                If you're playing a female character I gather you can just sit around and wait for a tell from someone attractive, but...it creates an incredibly toxic kind of person, doing that, and eventually it usually seems to implode on them and they end up doing a fanta and namechange. As someone who only plays straight male characters, my experience is generally one of two things. I'll compliment someone's glam or their carrd or how they made their character in a /tell, and if we start talking (often because they compliment mine back), we'll either go straight into RP or set up a situation somewhere else. I've had plenty of spontaneously lewd shit, but it's actually a lot more common for normal RP to happen first where the characters get to know each other, which ties into the second way I usually meet people. Public RP. In the Quicksand, or at some event I've accidentally run into somewhere, or a party someone's FC put on (I can't stand the generic modern nightclub scene with DJs that seems to be so prevalent now because it attracts dogshit writers). It gives everyone involved a chance to see who's illiterate or weird, and if you hit it off with someone you'll often set up RP later, and often it gets lewd. Inviting someone over to your residence usually means either lewd time or some good non-lewd RP. If you really hit it off, you'll friend each other on discord and start having your characters meet up often. Also as far as the modded /gpose porn stuff goes, women make 95% of it and the remaining 5% is cringy hrothgar and malera players.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The shitters jack off. You can tell when someone is actually putting in effort and when they're just basically using you for jack material expecting you to do all the work.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >good writing practice
            >erp
            anon...

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              absolutely anon. If you don't think so you haven't been to the bottom of the ocean

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >writing, sometimes for hours at a time, isn't good writing practice
              nta but it absolutely is.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because they're being marketed towards the chinese and chinks don't care about any of that shit. It's that simple.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw WoW cucks find out the website owner they post on is good friends with Yoshi P

    This is a FFXIV board/ website WoW cucks will never get over this, watch them cope, watch them seethe, but here they post on a FFXIV board.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      are you aware that wow is one of yoshi p.'s favorite video games?
      that's why ffxiv's design resembles it so closely

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Are you aware that you're using a FFXIV fan owned website?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          okay?
          I don't have a horse in this race, I just thought I'd point out the hypocrisy of you south-going zaxes frothing at the mouth about the north-going zaxes

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Why modern mmorpgs have dropped world building
    >FFXIV being one example of it.
    XIV has some of the most consistent worldbuilding of any game, let alone any MMO. Mostly because it's not written by 100 different writers across 10 years and all of the important details aren't split up into novels, comics, audio dramas, and spinoff games like WoW, Halo, KH, and the, like.
    You gays who haven't played the game will just vomit random fucking lies and the other gays will lick it up like the swine they are.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It all comes back to raiders.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Best part of FFXIV is how the average players despise parsetrannies

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This is true to an extend because holy fuck add anything that makes the game good but take away the parse aspect and everyone wills start crying.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    do not open, scariest thing in the thread here

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    emotional accusations as to identity of critics
    is befitting
    since the identity is all that matters
    what one *does*
    has no meaning whatsoever
    Just "are you one of us?"

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Here's a simple fact, jack. Given how attractive xiv's character models are, everyone would be erp'ing. The reason they don't is because it's time consuming, requires literary competence, and more often than not you'll match with retards whose entire vocabulary consists of 'aw yea gurl'.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >URNNGH YOU LIKE THAT COCK?
      I have never blocked somebody faster.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        My favorite is when you put some effort into a scene and all you get back is "unng yeah".

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I type back *farts* and leave/block after that. Fuck that.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    please quit my game
    and also yoshi p please dont cater to raidfags, they dont even know what they want like the singaporean and bald gay plaguing the game
    they complain everyday like raid buffs not being standardized and now they're complaining about everything being 2 minutes, and saying they were right all along
    fuck raidfags and tigole

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      quads of truth
      raidmorons are a cancer on any mmo they infest
      >why don't the devs do it like this? like, it's so fucking obvious. the only explanation I can think of why they don't is because they're idiots!
      >the devs do it how the raid fag wants
      >why the fuck did the devs make this change? it's fucking retarded.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's been satisfying to see grifters and other ecelebs get their assholes blown out whenever they float some idea to improve the game
      >call the gearing garbage. your idea to make it better is to make it more like wow
      >rightfully get shit on
      >new video about how the xiv community is toxic and made you want to quit the game
      Dang. we could've had one less gay.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Never played WoW but the gearing is boring in FFXIV and it's probably for the best since you don' have to make new characters to try out new jobs.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, it's boring but it comes with no retarded grinds or rng. Thinking that garbage is the way to Hispanice it up is retarded.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's more about the inventory for me. I barely have enough space for all the fucking gear I have.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The problem with gearing in FFXIV is you're really timegated for anything current, so even though you have one character with every job mastered, you can't gear up more than one for multiple months in a row. I don't know how WoW does it because I don't play any other MMOs.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You can clear savage in crafted gear anyway and if you're doing Ultimate and planning on beating it in the first week or two you're already a mentally ill poopsocker

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              This is just being contrarian for the sake of it. Even you know poopsocking isn't how most anyone's going to experience the game, so that's not the level of play you can ever expect from the other people you'll play with.

              So the chances of clearing savage in crafted gear is slim as fuck. You can't control the 7 other people not using mits well or doing mechanics right. You will be in teams with a PLD, WAR, MCH, and the SGE will die 8 times in the run you clear. Higher IL gives you a better chance to survive unavoidable damage and pick up the slack of other people, and you'll only be able to get gear for 1 job every 2 months unless you sincerely no life it to make it still take a month and luck.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Even you know poopsocking isn't how most anyone's going to experience the game

                That's exactly my point you gay, the devs shouldn't be basing gearing progression around how 0.001% of the players

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Man I'm confused on the point you're making then, I was saying the way they do gear progression sucks ass because I want to play other classes without gimping myself and then you say gear doesn't matter because you can clear with crafted.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Never played WoW but the gearing is boring in FFXIV and it's probably for the best since you don' have to make new characters to try out new jobs.
          The gear in WoW is just as if not more boring it's just slightly more RNG to get. WoW does nothing at all different than FF it just coats it in more layers of obfuscation to make it feel like you're doing something, stupid people (wow players, well blizzard shiteaters) fall for this.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >slightly more RNG

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              more RNG
              Hey isildur I'm trying to be charitable. Jeez.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        but gearing does suck in ffxiv
        >b-but wow-
        it sucks in wow too, stop letting wow live in your head rent-free

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          the absolute state of your reading comprehension

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            you're the one lacking reading comprehension friend
            I'm assuming you thought I thought you said something about wow in your post
            I did not, I was pre-empting the obvious response that any criticism of ff14 produces

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The post is about how his solution to FFXIV gearing is to copy WoW gearing (objectively worse)

              try again

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                let me walk you through this
                I said that the gearing is bad
                wow has nothing to do with the gearing being bad, it exists totally independently of wow
                I was not agreeing with the retarded e-celeb about the solution to the gearing problem
                got the first part established? good.
                now when discussing ffxiv on Ganker most criticisms are responded to by accusing the critic of liking wow or comparing what they are complaining about to the same thing in wow, as if operating on the logic that if a person does not like ffxiv then they must like wow
                that being such a common response I included a pre-emptive reply in my post to it, along with a witty jab mixed with genuine good advice
                now that i've exhaustively explained my post, do you understand it now?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                didn't read

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Stop it, anon. You silly goose. xiv's gearing was never the point. The point was ecelebs having dogshit opinions and getting BTFO for said dogshit opinions.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I agree with you, e-celebs do in fact have dogshit opinions

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I agree with you, e-celebs do in fact have dogshit opinions

                E-celebs are beyond cancer and I hate when companies pander to them. Asmongoloid getting an NPC in ffxiv takes the fucking piss not because of it's shitting on him but because he should get zero attention after his complete blow out getting filtered by Stormblood.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Asmongoloid getting an NPC
                I honestly didn't even make the connection until I saw it being mentioned in threads.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Asmongoloid getting an NPC
                I honestly didn't even make the connection until I saw it being mentioned in threads.

                Wait, what? Square put an NPC of him in the game?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                it's a guy associated with the variant dungeon questline named osmon. I didn't give it a second thought but I guess I can see it if it really is a reference.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah he's called Osman I think and sells crap, talks about how he used to be an adventurer but the fighting was too difficult. Not even meming. I think he's in Sharlayan, I might have got the name wrong anons in the know correct me.

                Also apologies for linking to this gays channel but it has the information

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The NPC actually looks like a twink instead of a balding old man, so I don't think it's an asmongold reference

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >after his complete blow out getting filtered by Stormblood.
                You mean by Living Liquid

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                how the fuck do you get filtered by that fight?
                or really any fight prior to ultimates?
                like moron you just do your rotation and stand where it tells you to stand

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >just do your rotation
                Anon, you're asking too much even of top world first wow raiders.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                i literally raided in wow once, and it was molten core in 2006, and i cleared all the regular raids up to and including omega and ivalice with no problem
                I am not good at these games, I am no sweatlord, it's so easy its practically automatic

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                As someone whose first mmo was the HARDCORE wildstar, the notion that raiding is hard is the veil that gets lifted when you actually do raiding. That's not to say it can't be challenging at times, but it's definitely not content that only the chosen few can do.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >As someone whose first mmo was the HARDCORE wildstar, the notion that raiding is hard is the veil that gets lifted when you actually do raiding. That's not to say it can't be challenging at times, but it's definitely not content that only the chosen few can do.
                Nah even mythic raiding isn't actually hard, it's always been more that you have to get enough people who don't fuck up mechanics to win. It's a kind of difficulty I suppose but when most of your problem is that other people suck at the game can you really say it's hard?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He actually made it to the first fight of the second tier but got hard filtered by nisi. After that he didn't play for a long fucking time. By the time he came by no one gave two shits

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He kept playing as Tank but had no idea how to maintain aggro, or positioning, or switching correctly. He should have played dps it's fucking braindead and no one cares if you get knocked out healer will pick you up but if you fuck up as Tank it can destroy a fight, he's fucking retarded for playing the game as one thinking he could coast like he does in WoW.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >no idea how to maintain aggro
                >in the game where a tank is just dps with a 10x aggro stance and a few defensive CDs
                literally how?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He wouldn't pick up aggro again after a transition, I should say, or just be positioned completely wrong blaming the rest of his guys for his own fuck up.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                > He should have played dps it's fucking braindead and no one cares if you get knocked out healer will pick you up but if you fuck up as Tank it can destroy a fight
                dps dying is usually why you lose in savage then a tank going down. not only are there way more mechanics where not having all the dps up is an auto wipe then mechanics where you need both tanks (you can often just mitigate more or hit invuln as the offtank) but dps dying costs you way more dps to meet enrage then tanks dying

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He tried to do savage fights MINE and got filtered by LL because he requires you to hit your mitigation buttons, hold aggro (difficult when you press Souleater 3 times in a row), tank swap, and position the boss properly, all things Asmongold was incapable of.
                He spent literally months trying to clear Alexander Savage before getting filtered by Midas (not even by Brute Justice lmao). Then he "lost interest" during Stormblood MSQ because he was "burned out."

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I'm the anon that made the post you replied to initially. The point was you don't make xiv's gearing better by bringing over some of the most annoying shit from wow.

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    When was the last time you got one?
    Be honest.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      i get the most compliments in my thav dress. feels kinda bad as i put a lot of effort into my other outfits

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      While I was walking around in a Bartz dancer glamour. I'm mad there isn't a pair of Aiming pants with a sash so I can get it one-to-one, but it's the best I could cobble together and these are about the only pants with flared ankle cuffs. I'm also mad there isn't a pair of normal, round hoop bracelets.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        god i hate all the modern clothes in this game
        yeah i know it's technically from 5 but it's still just a collared button up shirt and some pants

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Sorry, buddy, tradition trumps the consistency of aesthetic. Look forward to Beastmaster's sheep costume too.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >tradition trumps the consistency of aesthetic
            But FFXI did a Bartz inspired costume for DNC that still fit the aesthetic.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Veers off more into flamenco than salsa, even if I do see the Bartz inspiration.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      A few days ago, it was also my first one. I ignored them since it was a male au ra, they were in a blatant erp outfit and ended their message with 😉

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I ignored them since it was a male au ra
        Based

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That groomer au ra image was the first thing that popped into my head

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous
            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              hadn't seen that one before lmao, it was this one though

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I never have
      It hurts

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Don't give up hope. I'm sure one day it'll happen.
        Unless you play a male character.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I get a lot of compliments on my name because I took the name of a Primarch from Warhammer 40k

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >made my name a silly common japanese phrase
        >nobody ever commented on it or laughed at it

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I laughed at it I'm just too shy to /tell you.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      People only complement my colibri pink chocobo.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Last /tell I got was from some dude asking me why I wasn't part of an FC. I lied and said it was because I just came back from a long break and got booted out to make room. It was actually because FC chat got really gay and annoying so I left.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Today. It turned out it was from a frequent RP partner who'd made an alt just to catfish me. Now we're ERP partners.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      literally yesterday as lala noah from xbc3

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      When I played a female

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      a few days ago, but it was nothing worth nopthing, just a "cute character" message. I do remember the first one I got as a sprout. it was a fucking groomer mooncat with a fucking casual glam, and he stood around me for like a minute waiting for a reply. I just pretended to be afk until he left

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >look at my dress-up doll
    ff14 in a nutshell

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      yes and?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        simply explaining to OP why things are as they are

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          how many times have you been explaining this to OP since you're not new to the thread

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i explained once earlier, but the recent discussion made things more clear since there were examples -- given by players of the thing and so on.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I play the game to be held hostage by the one retard in the group until I finally get savage clears so I can get gear to make number go up
      or
      >I play the game so I can put my toon in slutglam and farm thirsty tells in limsa/quicksands

      I think the choice is obvious.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        those both sound awful though

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        As somebody that would guaranteed send you a thirsty tell and snap a screenshot, SEXOOOOOO

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Bro, please get a body mod. I can't stand how shit the fingers look in this game, especially since they love to shove them in your face during cutscenes

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          modding is for fags. the vanilla game with a reshade is all I need.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I can see Mario jumping along your fishnets bro

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ::ATTENTION FFXIV PLAYERS::
    This is a public service announcement to all FFXIV players.
    Have you ever wondered why you can't make a thread without people coming to shit on you and argue with you?
    It's because you're easy to troll, and you get really worked up and angry when people criticize the game you play.
    Literally just stop being easily-baited spergs and stop mistaking this game your identity and you won't get comically upset, people will try to argue with you and bother you less, and you'll have better threads.
    Remember kids, knowing is half the battle.
    ::ATTENTION FFXIV PLAYERS::

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      it's moreso troll threads have five-ish trolls responding to eachother and five-ish people trying to talk around them

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      it is their identity, they can't help themselves.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >responds to himself

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I did not...I don't write self-help messages, I prefer if you all rot in your cage.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >i hate you so much i literally can't not respond
            lmfao

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >responds to himself

              this is why you retards can't have nice threads

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                As you can see, it is a feature, not a bug, that they respond how they do.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              no, I enjoy conversation. Nothing stops me from talking to a man who is dying, nor is there anything diminishing about it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      jokes on you. i'm untrollable

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        UOOOOOH

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is obviously not an "ffxiv thread" and started out as trolls trolling trolls

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You can literally say that about any game
      >faggy discord circlejerks make threads about how [game] is garbage and soulless and played exclusively by trannies, ect.
      >people who play [game] argue with them because they like [game] and the threads are made by people who clearly don't play [game]

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why are you hating on my perfect blowjob lipped waifu?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        her and ryne make a really cute couple.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          sorry buddy gaia's holding out for that artemis dick once he reincarnates

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I need Ryne in the Source and reunited with Thancred and the gang, I miss her.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ryne definitely needs to be back in the spotlight so we get the ludicrous amount of lewds that we used to get that have now all of a sudden dried up since EW

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Lewds of mommy, I like those but yeah need more Ryne and Gaia.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                uh, is that a jackoff crystal?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >jill-off crystal

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >tfw my image is no longer relevant

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I made that picture for my adventurer plate, I've gotten a couple /tells telling me they nearly fell out of their chair in surprise.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I think I've seen you before, I'm glad the image got so much mileage even if you can't see the tether anymore.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      bump

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    MMO's should stop putting such a heavy focus on combat

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The last boss of the Criterion dungeon is really, really mean to black mages, I feel like I should just go double melee with ninja with a friend instead.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Literally half the fights in this game hate Black Mage. The only thing I felt like I could comfortably clear on BLM this expac is Hydalen EX.

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    These master debaters literally just show up and start convincing people to stop living.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >one appears at the cafe
      >Hey what can I get you?
      >pulls a pistol out and Reassembled Drills himself in the head

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >no class customization whatsoever, once you pick a class you will be playing them in exactly the same way for all content
    >class design amounts to repetitive, deterministic damage rotations, with no other ways to interact with mobs
    >longwinded, cliche ridden and boring story where you play the role of both a mary sue and a deus-ex machina
    >the poorest quest design i have ever seen in a MMO, you spend most of your time teleporting to npcs to watch cutscenes
    >devs are afraid to innovate, so you end up with rehashed content and rigid gameplay. the game hasn't changed since 2013 except for stripping everything down
    >absolutely nothing about combat has proper tactile feedback, animation locks and poor netcode bog down everything.
    >boring itemization
    >teleport into everything anywhere
    >almost everything is instanced
    >vertical progression from start to finish. barely even an rpg
    >claustrophobic and flat map design, invisible walls everywhere and almost no verticality in zones
    >open world becomes an irrelevant lobby pretty quickly, and you barely explore it during the story either
    >all content except the very end game is mindnumbingly easy and even then savage raids aren't too difficult compared to other MMOs
    >very little raid content, period. 4 bosses in a major patch is laughable
    >small group content (4 mans) offers absolutely zero meaningful gameplay at any stage in the game
    >dungeons are singular long hallway simulators with mobs appearing at the exact same point everytime, no challenge or deviation whatsoever
    >faux-friendly community that is petri-fucking-fied of being reported and banned for upsetting someones fragile little ego. criticism is "toxic" here
    >The crafting system that gets praised so much doesn't even make anything that affects gameplay beyond basic food buffs and dps increase potions
    >cash shop just as predatory and greedy as other MMOs, with mounts being extra expensive

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >wowbuck

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Filtered

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Funny how you can tell this pasta was made by someone who hasn't made it past the free trial.
      Also what MMO lets me talk bears into giving me their asses instead of killing them? Or what is this "other way to interact with mobs" supposed to mean?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        stuns, slows, stat decreases, fear, bind. Pretty easy to figure out.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          XIV has all that, though?

          other ways to interact with mobs typically involves crowd-control or having to actually manage hate or using specific debuffs, or kiting them around, or LOSing a caster out of its spell.
          You know, stuff that isn't just damage and healing.
          also will you quit using the
          >hurrr you didn't even get to the GOOD part
          defense?
          you and I both know the gameplay and questing doesn't change in any of the expacs
          and no an occasional sniper mini-game with stationary targets and no time limit doesn't count

          Like I said above, XIV has CC and LoS.

          I was expecting some cleverer comebacks, like when WoW had a thing when you mind controlled an otehrwise hostile dude to make him talk to you and teach you crafting plans, something like that.
          Also who the fuck wants to struggle with every quest fodder mob like that.

          >also will you quit using the
          you didn't even get to the GOOD part
          >defense?
          No, I was more aiming at the fact the pasta doesn't point out ACTUAL issues, especially with the raids/trials.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I've played up to the current expansion and have gnb blm and rdm all at 90 and I think most of those issues are perfectly legitimate

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Or what is this "other way to interact with mobs" supposed to mean?
        In 1.0 you could break enemy's body parts to disable abilities or influence drop rates by using certain abilities aimed at certain parts of the enemy. Like if you used MRD's Skull Sunder or PGL's Concussive Blow on a skeleton you could break their head and stop them from using their AoE drain.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >ywn live in the timeline where square suits didn't fuck over tanaka

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          if only they actually salvaged the core gameplay and the systems rather than making a bland and watered down WoW clone.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        other ways to interact with mobs typically involves crowd-control or having to actually manage hate or using specific debuffs, or kiting them around, or LOSing a caster out of its spell.
        You know, stuff that isn't just damage and healing.
        also will you quit using the
        >hurrr you didn't even get to the GOOD part
        defense?
        you and I both know the gameplay and questing doesn't change in any of the expacs
        and no an occasional sniper mini-game with stationary targets and no time limit doesn't count

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          sadly ARR had this, coils for example. They took it out because...well I'm not sure why.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i couldn't even get a group for coils
            I had to do that shit solo
            eventually i ran into a part in the last fight where you need to keep these 3 golems away from eacother or you just auto-lose, which, playing alone, was patently impossible
            it's a shame, they had some interesting and unusual mechanics in a lot of those fights

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              What job? I was finally able to finish coils solo when I got WAR to 90.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                GNB, i did it at 73 or 74 or something around there

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Try again at 80, that's about where i was stuck on that fight too. I could kill the golems in time but the next phase i couldn't burn the boss down fast enough before another instant kill mechanic got me.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              sad. The fights are fun in their original form. And even synced to min item level, no echo in SHB they were good. But I'm not sure how they are now.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I once tried to make a post like that but my issues with the game didnt even fit into two whole posts.

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >female monks that dress the part
    My penis erect

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >have my bungirl monk's gear modded so she's either very skimpy or completely nude
      >watching her beat the shit out of people with fancy acrobatics gets me throbbing

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >monk girl in short skirt with 2b leggings
        >elixir field
        >four point fury

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >garo mask
      >coliseum top
      >bonewicca legs and feet
      >matte endwalker relic replica
      it's gamer time

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >loved applying poisons as a Rogue/Ninja, especially to groups of enemies
    >Yoshi removes the poisons because he "couldn't balance their damage"

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is New World any good now?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You can get more enjoyment out of new world from watching this video than actually playing it.

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    BIS doesn't matter for clearing any content in XIV if you're a good player, only reaching min-ilvl for a given duty as long as the crafted gear is HQ. Savage is only balanced around getting extra gear because you're expected to pick up some between each fight but theoretically a team of organized ultra savants can beat P8S with just 610 post-nerf. Mid-casual statics with only 6 hours a week and with guides may still take a month or more after raid release to clear a tier and PF starts setting the il requirement higher and higher per week for tome/raid gear acquisition, gating people who are late or undergeared anyway.

    This means gearing in XIV only really exists for the sweaties who want to get big numbers on their calculators.
    XIV can afford to have more interesting gearing as long as it doesn't interfere with the current status quo in a significant way.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Or it exists for people who don't play with world first raiders but want to do content with their friends, and don't follow video guides.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I can see it working out if crafted gear is raw stats and overmelds but normal raid gear has more interesting effects to make up for the lack of materia slots, and then side content like Criterion can drop 615 gear with other shit.

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I like playing a Red Mage in FFXIV. I even do PVP. None of you can stop me.

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    because if they don't, they go out of business

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    you want an mmo without all the retarded design decisions that infest the post-wow world?
    what you need is a game where basically all the content is procedurally generated dungeons with monsters and bosses having somewhat randomized stats and abilities
    if the game is unpredictable then sweatlords can't ruin it with the "meta" and by using guides for everything
    think something like the ps2 dot hack games
    the first batch, not g.u.

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why do WoWfags put up with this?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      its astounding to me that wow is literally written by trannies and leftist idealogues, but the trannies and play ffxiv more, despite most of the politics that the game presents as correct in the story being generally right-wing and conservative
      is it literally just because it's anime and has catgirls?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's simply because one is good and one sucks shit. You're also wrong on the conservative points since it arrives at very group/collective oriented conclusions with ideas that are conservative or individualistic on their face, for example the game holds no issues with a one-world government system holding total power, in theory, but also recognizes that the one-world system is invariably achieved through fascistic conquest and results in cultural brainrot

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Every one world government has failed spectacularly. The Eorzean Alliance and Eastern Alliance are basically NATO except with Garlemald in place of Russia.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Grand Company of Eorzea gives me Global Community vibes.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The lesson was learned

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              What do you think happened with the Crystal Braves? Nobody is going to go in for an actual world government now.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        WoW's character models and armours are all ugly as shit. Despite what leftists and trannies say, no one likes making ugly characters, not even them.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          WoW drones complain ad infinitum about the graphics of FFXIV meanwhile WoW still looks like a game from 2006

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >WoW drones complain ad infinitum about the graphics of FFXIV meanwhile WoW still looks like a game from 2006
            It's this weird effect where you have to stop playing WoW too look objectively at how utterly shit it looks. The music after warlords is also generic as all fuck but they praise the hell out of it, not a bit of personality or uniqueness in it anymore.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Newsflash: Trannies don't write good stories. Trannies are still human, so good stories are better than actual shit stories.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Pandering also has this weird effect of working better on people who don't actually use your product. Being able to be a small, feminine lizard girl (trannies seem to prefer those to catgirls, dudes doing lesbian ERP with each other are the main type of creeper you see playing female miqo'te) seems to matter a lot more to your typical effeminate gay nerd convinced he's a woman than "representation", in part because...he's still a man. Although it also seems like a lot of chubby middle-aged women in their late 20s to early 40s play this game. Being a degenerate on Mateus, I keep running into the exact same type of cat mom type playing lore-accurate raen samurai girls and Ishgardian noblewoman mommies.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous
  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So, having experienced both the new and old eras, this is as usual typical Ganker exaggeration.

    >world-building
    MMOs are still excellent at this, FF14 included.
    >different builds
    True.
    >RNG
    False.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      FFXIV world feels stale af and it's barely used, more like not at all.

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i look forward to the next batch of chud-indie games written by ff14 erp'ers. What a world.

  49. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I will never forgive XIfags for creating discord. No, I will not join your FC discord so you can show me your selfies and porn collection.

  50. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    people get too attached to their pet classes. classic/vanillia wow is the perfect example where you had eternal seething from paladin/druid players that warrior was the only tank anyone wanted to use in raids, but if paladin/druid were better tanks then nobody would ever play warrior because the other two classes can also heal/buff and have a much easier time leveling - which is exactly what happened in the expansions to the game where suddenly now the warrior players got to eat shit as nobody wanted to group with them.

    this led to blizzard moving towards 'bring the player, not the class' because there was always the class that was bitching every single day on the fourms because they were the patch/expansion whipping boy that nobody wanted to group with because they were suboptimal, and basically every other mmo has experience this problem in one way or another and came to the same conclusion that yeah we should probably just make everything pretty relative to eachother

  51. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    a3s MINE was still fairly challenging at that time. Not sure now with stat changes etc, but I will supply this info.
    t. Took 3 groups through it

  52. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Guys I think I've spent too much time on my island.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      what have you done to urianger

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Don't blame me, Tataru wouldn't stop making meals for him.

  53. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just want to hang out in a cantina on Corellia in SWG back in 2003 again, bros. I'm sick of themeparks.

  54. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I love how if you want to discuss this game, the OP has to always be overly negative.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It always, always beats trying to discuss the game on /vg/

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      ffxiv has a reputation for having fanatical fans that lose their mind at any criticism
      the negative OP is like a smokescreen, if it was positive it would attract people that want to fuck with them

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        wowdrone revisionism

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          t. cultist

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >make something up
            >someone replies
            >LOOOOOL WHY ARE SO SO MAD AND FRAGILE XDD

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              ::ATTENTION FFXIV PLAYERS::
              This is a public service announcement to all FFXIV players.
              Have you ever wondered why you can't make a thread without people coming to shit on you and argue with you?
              It's because you're easy to troll, and you get really worked up and angry when people criticize the game you play.
              Literally just stop being easily-baited spergs and stop mistaking this game your identity and you won't get comically upset, people will try to argue with you and bother you less, and you'll have better threads.
              Remember kids, knowing is half the battle.
              ::ATTENTION FFXIV PLAYERS::

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              t. cultist

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          xD

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          look, this poster is proving that the post he is replying to to be correct

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >fanatical fans that lose their mind at any criticism
        It just seems that way to the typical mmo player because they're not used to playing an mmo and also enjoying it. Meanwhile, xiv players do enjoy their game and also like the people who make it, for the most part.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          yeah man throughout the wholes genres history nobody ever actually liked the games they played until FF14 appeared on the scene which was just perfect.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No current wow player has enjoyed the game since ~2008

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >WoW
              >whole genre
              rent free.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                WoW killed the MMO genre in 2005

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                yeah we only got trash WoW clones since, like FF14.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              probably not, but they definitely enjoyed it back then, and plenty of other games, mmos included, have plenty of people that like them and discuss what they like about them
              for example, I don't think I've ever seen a negative thread about cruelty squad

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I never said xiv is perfect, I only said people enjoy it. Compare that to something like wow or any of the other myriad of mmos that have come on gone over the years where the norm for players is to constantly shit on aspects of the game and the dev.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              just because people voice their concerns doesnt mean that they dont like the game they play.
              thats why people call you drones. you dont even understand something this basic.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I dunno, man. It seems like shitting on the game is a prerequisite for any other kind of discussion when it comes to other mmos. As if you can't come off as too genuine in your enjoyment or else you're a cultist. And you certainly can't actually like the devs.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                if you dont think ffxiv players complain about their own game youve never been to the official forums of the games reddit
                the game has a lot of flaws but its the best mmo on the market right now

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >youve never been to the official forums of the games reddit
                and that's a good thing

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >the game has a lot of flaws but its the best mmo on the market right now
                That's more of an indictment of the genre than a testament to the games quality.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I agree, mmos are generally garbage
                If ffxiv was a single player console rpg instead of an mmo that's basically single player, people would shit on it for its gameplay and mind-number hours of cutscenes
                but because it's technically an mmo it gets a pass
                I mean it, imagine ffxiv as a single player offline game, everything being exactly the same except you get trusts for every dungeon and raid instead of randoms who don't talk and might as well be NPCs
                would you still like that?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                so ff12?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                ff12 doesn't have a hundred hours of filler cutscenes, and the cutscenes they have are actually animated and well directed
                ff12 has a great, albeit underutilized, combat system with gambits resulting in a game where the basic mindless bread and butter shit you do, like a rotation in ff14 for example, is done automatically and you take control to make actual combat decisions
                but I'm not saying "imagine a game that's like an offline mmo", I'm saying "imagine a game that's like offline ff14 specifically"

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If FFXIV from 2.0 to 6.0 was an offline game where the dungeons, trials, and raids all had trusts it would be regarded worse than FFXIII when taking gameplay alone into consideration.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I agree, but I think the storytelling is very poor as well
                I'm not saying the story doesn't have its good points, but it's absolutely choked out by all the filler

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah honestly the MSQ is entirely propped up by a handful of cool moments scattered between dozens if not hundreds of hours of watching paint dry.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Negative OPs are pretty explicitly "trolls trolling trolls" and they'll insist it's necessary to avoid janitors killing the thread. That hasn't actually been a worry for months and positive or neutral OPs have threads that survive just fine. It's just a dog whistle for other retards to come into the thread and shit their guts out.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >people disliking me is a conspiracy

  55. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >but I WANT to invest hours into a character and then find out someone is better than me just because their choices just happen to be more effective despite both classes supposedly filling the same role
    >but I WANT to sit around for hours waiting for enough people to fuck off so I can interact with this spawn and play the game I'm paying for
    >but I WANT zerg guilds to dominate world interaction and meta teams to dominate PvP

    NO YOU FUCKING DON'T. You want to be better than other people not because of effort on your part, but because you got there first or read a guide online that they didn't.
    You don't give a single shit about "world building," and I guarantee you don't look at any fucking worldbuilding materials like short stories, novels, or even in-game loredumps.
    You don't give a rat's ass about "class uniqueness," and probably haven't even played half the classes of any MMO you're complaining about because you're self absorbed enough to think that your pitiful understanding of the mechanics you DO manage to halfway figure out are "samey" (a term you will NEVER actually define or prove up without revealing that you are actively antagonistic to the concept of balance).
    You have different builds and plenty of options in plenty of MMOs, you just DELIBERATELY CHOOSE to cry about there not being enough because it's never going to be enough for you until you can be better than other people just for having chosen (read: followed a guide for choosing) the right options, or even worse because you lucked out on RNG and now have something that they don't that you didn't have to earn.

    I have NEVER seen one of you fags EVER actually say "Oh wow I really like the RNG part of this game where I lost mats instead of crafting the item I wanted" or "It was really fun when that other guy was out-DPSing me because of his class and options and not because he was actually better than me" or "Man I loved all the cutscenes and dialogue in that zone."

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      yes I do.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      just have retrainable talents/let the player change classes, and even if another player does a little more damage than me, what does it matter if we still win the fight/clear the raid?
      unironically yes, hunting devilsaurs for their leather and having to compete with other people for it in old wow was fun and made the world feel way more immersive and the other players actually matter
      I don't play pvp in mmos and when a guild does world stuff they generally invite people, i've done plenty of pugs on world bosses myself
      just because these aspects of a game are sometimes bad is no reason to remove them all entirely

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >just have retrainable talents/let the player change classes
        but that literally goes against the ideas of "RPG"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I do, because I want to play an MMO.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >angry casual shitter assmad because he can't fathom that people want to share a fantasy world with other people so he starts projecting that it's about getting easy pats on the ass

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      look if I didnt want these things then I would play a dogshit sterile and neutered anti-MMO like FF14.
      but I dont. because I do want these things.

  56. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >world building
    because the playerbase is lazy and skips quest texts / just wants to zoom around from point A to point B on their flying mounts
    >class uniqueness, different builds
    because it is impossible to have very different classes and builds be exactly balanced and the spreadsheet metagayry spread by the players made it so that if a class had 0.01% less DPS, it would never be played and the last few idiots trying to play it wouldn't be brought into content by the rest of the players anyway
    >RNG
    wym?
    you still have plenty of RNG nowadays
    look at all those games that ask you to sacrifice those insane amount of resources for a mere chance to +1 a piece of gear
    >other rpg elements in favor of sanitized gameplay
    there are many things you cannot allow the players to do in a multiplayer environment compared to a single player experience, and sandbox games are just fucking boring slogs that are almost always co-opted by no-life vindictive furry trannies discord cabals 95% of the time which means most well-adjusted people will just avoid them altogether

  57. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I wish I could figure out more melee jobs, but for some reason ninja is the only one that feels natural to me as a controller player. I'd kill for more dial-a-combo job skills, the mudra system rules.

  58. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I wish other MMOs had classes as fun or even like Ninja in FFXIV.

  59. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw putting too much effort into my toon's backstory but my autism demands I be able to explain what she was doing and where in the years preceding and following the calamity before the game begins.
    If only I were a smooth brained self inserter.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      RPG character backstories are best when they can fit in a single paragraph.

  60. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sterile used as a complaint always seemed kinda funny, because it just makes me think the implied solution to that is to smear shit on it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      sterile doesn't just mean clean, it also means infertile

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      thats because you understand words like a fourth grader.

  61. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >venat loves rabbits so much she created two species, one to be small adorable little furballs and the other to be tall goddess bunnies

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      She didn't make Vieras or any other race, just the lops

  62. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >best job
    >best role
    >best story
    >best aesthetic

    Now have RPR for DPS counterpart.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I wish RPR's artifact didn't have the stupid fucking holes on it. What a way to ruin a great set.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It looked perfect on Yoshida and then they betrayed us, he was wearing a black jumpsuit for modesty's sake.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Seriously. What the hell man?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Wonder if the scythe is a metal prop, he complained it was heavy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      there's functionally little difference
      unironically DPS, because tank is just more retarded dps with a tank stance and a few defensive cds, and healer is an EXTRA retarded dps that weaves ogcd heals instead of more attack, every role is glue-eater tier but DPS somehow wound up being the most interesting
      the omega raid storyline was my favorite, it was basically amazo in that one episode of justice league
      i actually really dislike most of the outfits in this game, so can't say any aesthetic appeals to me much

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        "they're literally the same thing" will never not be a mindnumbingly silly take

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          pressing different buttons in a different order to still just do damage isn't a meaningful difference

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            pressing different buttons in a different order to still just write words isn't a meaningful difference
            where's my REAL writing system

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Kanji

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Not even the Japs write in kanji outside of handwriting, they type in romaji and software translates it into their moon squiggles because typing in symbols is annoying (apparently).

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              good comparison actually, playing ffxiv is a lot like data entry
              every job is basically just typing the same paragraph over and over again, but each job is a different paragraph.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                congrats bro you just reached the enlightened nihilist definition of video games

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                here's the difference between ffxiv and most other video games
                in other video games you can reduce the gameplay down to data entry if you try really hard and have an encyclopedic knowledge of the game
                in ffxiv there's nothing to reduce, it's just already at that point

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                which is why you also complain about the normal content being so easy that the below average player can beat it without even learning their rotation

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                what level of not giving a fuck do you have to be on to not learn a rotation?
                like what do you just press the same button over and over?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                i have seen this and also "not pressing any buttons"...except for very spaced out (at least 7 seconds or so between) casts of fire 1.
                Through-out a whole dungeon. Must have been on phone or fapping or something...I hope.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The endgame of the reductionist moron is to finally reduce everything down to its barest ideas and realize that every method of video game input is the same because there are only so many motions a hand can do

                This also leads to the transhumanist Redditor viewpoint where we must surpass the flesh and move to metal bodies

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you don't have to be a reductionist to notice that every fight in the game you repeat the same exact inputs without change
                it literally might as well be an auto-attack for all the decision-making involved

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Go bitch that Super Mario Bros. has combat that can only be approached one way

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                thats wrong though. super mario bros has several ways to approach every encounter.
                even the boss battles.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Redditor

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                thats wrong though. super mario bros has several ways to approach every encounter.
                even the boss battles.

                i don't understand the connection to reddit?
                is this like when you call things you don't like wow?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                redditors do have a hard time dropping arguments

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                are you calling yourself a redditor right now?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >i know you are but what am i
                these and other playground hits coming soon

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you literally said "redditors have a hard time dropping arguments" and then continued to argue

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Oh, God, it has a hard time separating posters from eachother too.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                even if you aren't that poster you still utterly failed to comprehend the logic of the post

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Telling me I just, like, didn't GET IT, man is also very silly.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's a generic insult people throw out in order to claim victory and flee a discussion/argument.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Reddit and chud are the strawmen Ganker uses to concede an argument. They don't like you or something? It's reddit or trannies.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                t. reddit chud

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                t. zivbuckchud

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                my post was far funnier, u set it up perfectly. Next time (You) will get me tho

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you can le jump on them or maybe you have to le jump on them then le kick them

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                or you ignore them.
                so thats three approaches to combat. FF14 has one.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you have to judge and control your spacing in super mario games, ffxiv is literally just do rotation and stand where simon says to stand

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                How come it's deep decision-making in Mario when I choose whether or not to go to a certain spot and it's boring Simon Says when I do the same thing in XIV?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                because in mario you assess the situation then make your own decision, often very quickly
                in ffxiv the part you're not supposed to stand on literally lights up, and there's literally a big overhead indicator when you're supposed to stack
                ffxiv is kind of like really really slow touhou that telegraphs every incoming pattern super hard

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Saying you have more player agency in Mario seems disingenuous at best. That's enough Ganker for today.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                its true though, at least when you compare it to FF14 PVE. PVP is a different story.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Responding to me after I've said I thought you were silly is not going to change my mind. Stop. Go find somebody else to cling to.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                mald

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I think you legitimately dont have the brain power to process these comparisons in the first place.

                [...]
                Imagine hating something so much you are willing to just be blatantly bad faith that you just make shit up even you know it fake.

                how is it bad faith?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                this but unironically
                controlling the character is like throwing or catching a ball
                you're not literally consciously doing math but you're predicting the trajectory of the ball/mario's jump

                Imagine hating something so much you are willing to just be blatantly bad faith that you just make shit up even you know it fake.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                have you never played a momentum-based platformer or a game of catch before?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I have also played FFXIV.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's funny, cause people still fail those telegraphs and often.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                those telegraphs only exist in the normal mode version, anything past the braindead easy story mode has those markers removed

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you are literally too stupid to understand the analogy.
                did you know that most games do not follow rigid rotations?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous
        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          you only say that because you never experienced anything thats truly different.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I mean most DPS have a sheltron button..

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Doesn't RPR literally have a baby version of TBN that heals you

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              10% of your HP sounds like a lot until you actually get hit by something. The healing is less than one Regen tick from WHM.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Its also the poster child and canon job of the best expansion with the best story.
      ShB > HW > SB > EW > ARR

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      DRG is the counter job for DRK. Get it right retard.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >is

        was*

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No, I mean is. RPR is unfun, shit story and your avatar is never expanded on. Fuck that job. DRG is Ganker as fuck, has Estinien broing out with you. Is the poster job for HW one of the best expansions and has a good story. RPR is garbage next to king DRG.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Meet Ana from Overwatch
            >She tells you about Voidsent
            >Gives you one
            >Tells you how to use a gardening tool
            >Now go kill some some other reaper gay
            >you do

            it was the best story endwalker had to offer

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Learning how to Enshroud by studying Orcus during your fight (since he's permanently merged) was a good cap-off

  63. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ganker being contrarian and addicted to hating things and being mad makes discussing anything insufferable.

  64. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw a coomer gacha has more depth than XIV
    I'm fucking sick of the gayy ass community. I want to crush the throats of the subhuman shitheads who complain about the game being too hard.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      say that to my face fucker

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I don't want to hurt you, only help

        who the fuck complains about ffxiv being hard?
        see
        [...]

        I've heard stories on how Sirius and Steps were tight with mechanics. Remember when TG Cid would rape the alliance if there weren't enough players in a circle?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      who the fuck complains about ffxiv being hard?
      see

      how the fuck do you get filtered by that fight?
      or really any fight prior to ultimates?
      like moron you just do your rotation and stand where it tells you to stand

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >tfw
      Where's the face?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Post Ultimate clear.

  65. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >heteromemeia
    >lazy slutglam
    >femra
    >casual glam
    >2b legs
    >meme name
    >name lifted from other media (especially WoW)
    yep... that's a voidlist

  66. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm used to playing on controller, but I wanna try jumping back into kb+m. Only issue is that it's been years, and I don't have an MMO mouse anymore.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      i played controller since 2.0 launch and i can play retail wow just fine on kb+m but i dont think i could play 14 without an mmo mouse

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >but i dont think i could play 14 without an mmo mouse

        fugg I might look into a cheap one then

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You can play most if not all FFXIV classes with 1,2,3,4,5 +shift and control modified and a normal mouse with 2 side buttons

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Use XIV Combo
          >Free up half your keyboard from useless fluff combo skills

          is the only way I can play this game now.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I tried an MMO mouse for a short while. It didn't take. If I had tried harder for longer, maybe it would have. But it just didn't feel right and I didn't want to relearn a whole new system when all my muscle memory was comfortable with a more simple mouse. I also really missed having an infinite scroll wheel. Try zooming the camera in and out without an infinite scroll wheel and it's painful. So, I just got a wired logitech g502. Comes with an infinite scroll with your basic mouse buttons and few others, all programmable. I know, ghost clicking. Based on what I've seen, it just means the mouse won't last more than a few years. For the price, it's manageable, if not the best. Also, I like a heavy mouse, so I think the optional weights are great.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I just wish the industry would see the sense in copying the G600's ring finger button. I've never had a mouse with a scroll wheel click that didn't feel awkward.

  67. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >world building,

    FFXIV has a ton of it

    >class uniqueness,

    Has this too

    >different builds

    Because this never works. There's always the "best" build that everyone will use

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      uniqueness,
      >Has this too
      lol

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Most people have a frontal lobe and don't consider "class uniquity" to be completely determined by whether or not it has a 120s cooldown like all the other jobs.

  68. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    old MMOs suck
    >needing a guild or you just can't do endgame shit
    >needing to sit and yell in trade chat to get a party to do anything
    >get a party together but you aren't playing the right class for it so you have to spend a month levelling and gearing a new character
    >world pvp so someone can come camp your body and kill you over and over to slow down your levelling process and keep you from playing because they don't like you or your guild

    it was shit, the ffxiv system is way better

  69. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    mario is literally on the fly geometrics and physics calculations.
    its much more complex than most tab target MMOs, especially FF14.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      this but unironically
      controlling the character is like throwing or catching a ball
      you're not literally consciously doing math but you're predicting the trajectory of the ball/mario's jump

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I was not being ironic. 100% serious.

  70. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Mario is a good example of a casual game that doesn't have insultingly braindead gameplay, something XIV's MSQ fails to accomplish.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Swing and a miss, you'll get 'em next time. Thread's hit bump limit, btw.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Ok

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I doubt your average FF14 player would be able to beat world 8 tbh.

  71. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe you should try guild wars 2. It's the cure to xiv burnout.

  72. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  73. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >imageboard
    >95% of posters don't even post an image anymore
    >no reaction images
    >no coome bait images
    >no images related to the game
    >no meme images
    This board is losing it's culture.
    Fuck that noise I'm going to post big titty FFXIV characters for eternity.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >shits up the end of the thread with his tears

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Suck on Mommy's braps.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      based

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        God bless physics mods.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Why don't westerners know what restraint is? That just looks repulsive and I see it all the fucking time while looking for XIV porn. Did they just fry their brains by jerking it too hard?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes. Ganker spends a lot of time looking at porn and jacking off and I see more degenerate shit here than I ever seen anywhere else.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              /gif/ and /b/. If you're not a newfag you'll also remember how bad Ganker was with all the porn before the nsfw rules came down. Almost every thread porn, board was unusable.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It still is unuseable.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            They're not gay

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              They're morons.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I recently found out about the physics mods and it made me become a mod gay.

  74. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    PVP is the best content in XIV right now.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the PVP is fucking dogshit but the PVE would benefit from some of the PVP job design to add some variety they desperately need.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Job Unique Limit breaks would be so much more cooler than
        >(Melee)DPS LB3 in 99% of scenarios
        >Tank LB3 to skip PF mechanic or exist as a Gotcha! mechanic to new players in random trials
        >Healer LB3 only existing as a crutch and being useless otherwise

        I feel like PvE is so focused on being homogenized that it lost any sort of flare of individuality, making PVP a breath of fresh air. Fuck it turned Salted earth into one of the sickest skills in the game.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          PvP style limit breaks would be nigh-impossible to balance since almost all of them are already a panic button for tanks which they'd get for free, nigh-useless in a PvE environment as with WHM's laser, or basically the same thing as what they've already got as with DRG's jump

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I think this game could stand to sacrifice balance for more player options right now.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              the jobs aren't even balanced anyways

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Purposefully introducing shittier solutions (again see WHM's LB applied to PvE) for variety's sake is a terrible idea

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                it doesn't need to be shittier solutions
                it could be new utilities

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Mechanics related to how the job works at a base level in the vein of Reaper's LB in PvP begs the question of why it isn't part of their core rotation already, and/or the community simply factors Limit Breaks into the rotation as a typical element

                Utility limit breaks are already why healers and tanks work the way they do, including in PvP seeing as PLD's Limit Break is his invuln + a huge party-wide defense buff

                Attack limit breaks are generally already part of the job's PvE makeup in some way as with DRG's jump, or GNB's Renzokuken combo

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                But that wouldn't be as cool as removing more mechanics and homogenizing jobs to the point where they're all just cosmetic reskins of eachother

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Mechanics related to how the job works at a base level in the vein of Reaper's LB in PvP begs the question of why it isn't part of their core rotation already, and/or the community simply factors Limit Breaks into the rotation as a typical element

                Utility limit breaks are already why healers and tanks work the way they do, including in PvP seeing as PLD's Limit Break is his invuln + a huge party-wide defense buff

                Attack limit breaks are generally already part of the job's PvE makeup in some way as with DRG's jump, or GNB's Renzokuken combo

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Add a rival wings roulette for gods sake it's so much better than frontlines

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >pvp
      >end of the match
      >sort by damage done
      >1. scholar
      >2. reaper
      >3. reaper
      >4. reaper
      >5. scholar
      >6. scholar
      >7. reaper
      >8. reaper
      >9. reaper
      >10. scholar
      Also fuck ninjas. It's like they took WoW rogue, but instead of making them constantly invisible, they just made it so you don't hit them.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the pvp itself is just okay, but i think the game would be a dozen times better if the class design and combat in general was more like the pvp

  75. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    the final cope and seethe

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      just admit you goofed and didn't understand

      [...]
      Based autist

      if autistically breaking it down like this to illustrate my point is necessary then that's what i'll do

      [...]
      mad

      yeah a little bit

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        NTA but I will have last post PBUH

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          i don't know what those acronyms mean
          why is having the "last post" desirable?
          i get the feeling you're further down on the spectrum than I am

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >KEK
            you have to go back, IMMEDIATELY

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              ?
              shizo post?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the absolute TOURISM

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                so are you just spouting gibberish to "get the last post" now?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >shiggy diggy

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I see my assessment is correct
                are you proud of this behavior?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >|-_-|

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think that's a valid response to my question
                I also don't think you understand what the quote function on this website is for
                see I can go

                >i enjoy fellating men
                but it doesn't actually have any connection to what you posted
                it's just nonsense

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >|V_V|

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                what are you going to get when you get the last post?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >C_C

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I would tell you to stop replying to him but you are too fucking stupid not to.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >C_C

                I have nothing but time to waste right now

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >le smuggerinoes

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                part of me wonders if this is a bot, can i get someone else to reply to this post?
                i want to see if it automaticallty replies with gibberish to any other post that replies to it

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                ok

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                ba dum tss
                you know what post i mean

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >beeeep boop

  76. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Based autist

  77. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    mad

  78. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Favorite part of all MMO for me is leveling. Slowly exploring the world, learning new skills, experimenting with rotations, doing relaxing quest, ect.
    >All MMO speed through leveling in a week so you can get on that endgame grind as soon as possible.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      this pretty much why i don't like ff14
      i haven't tried wow or gw2 but i assume they'd be the same way

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >this pretty much why i don't like ff14
        Why, because in ffxiv, you speed through leveling in a week?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          no, because the part of mmos i like is the levelling and adventuring in the open world, and the levelling in ff14 is awful and the open world goes basically untouched after you go through it on the msq

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >the open world goes basically untouched after you go through it on the msq
            Do treasure maps and start gathering or fishing

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              i'm actually not familiar with treasure maps, but i dislike most of the gathering jobs
              there's no adventure in just going to a spot that rapidly spawns 3 gather points and just going between them over and over
              this fishing is fine though

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What do other mmos do to make you "go out in the open world"?
            The only thing beyond gathering, treasure maps, hunts and vistas is PvP.
            And I personally thank fuck there's no fucking world pvp, never played an mmo where world pvp weasn't fucking garbage.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              in other MMOs I'm not railroaded into a linear cinematic main story that plays out like a shitty VN and where over 90% of the world is locked away.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                enjoying these shitty MMOs from the early 90s is boomer stockholm syndrome

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                putting up with the disaster that is modern MMOs is just cope because there is no alternatives these days.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                most of those ancient boomer MMOs are still available in some form or another but guess what no one plays them because people don't want to have to dedicate 60 hours a week to an MMO

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                people dont play the old rehashes of them anymore because they already did that a thousand times in the past and new content either doesnt exist or became just as railroaded as modern MMOs. the success of Runescape and WoW classic speaks volumes though.

                and to be absolutely honest with you people used to play more "boomer mmos" back when they were in their prime than they play MMOs currently.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >where over 90% of the world is locked away
                in those ones you're locked out by your level instead of by story progress

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                not necessarily. RO specifically lets you do cool stuff that allows you to kill shit way out of your level range. even even if you were to follow level restricted areas they were still smart enough to add plenty areas for each.

                >play a MMO that is story based first
                >complain there is too much story
                Fucking idiots, I swear.

                yeah linear MSQ design is dogshit.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >play a MMO that is story based first
                >complain there is too much story
                Fucking idiots, I swear.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Nobody fucking told me that XIV is 99% cutscenes and 1% gameplay.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You should have spent 5 minutes doing research then, retard.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Research is for trannies and gays.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Well now you lost time and money, who is the chud gay now?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You, because you're still playing it.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              my experience is largely with ffxi and vanilla wow
              in both of those overworld enemies were generally threatening, quests (in wow's case) were more involved, even if a lot of them were just "kill x thing", and gather materaials, assuming you were getting ones that were used for making items appropriate to your level, would involve locating the gather points but also dealing with any nearby mobs or finding ways around them
              it's the little things like that

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Having threatening mobs alone actually does a lot to make questing less tedious. Having to fetch that egg for the banquet would have been a lot more interesting if the adamantoise could actually tear me a new asshole like the questgiver implied.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                This, in fact MMOs should be impossible to play unless you're in a full party the entire time you're playing. Mobs should instakill you unless you have 3-4 other people with you.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Sounds like you want to make a dead game.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You want an MMO where people actually interact? That's how you do it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                All the MMOs that tried to do what you want fucking died.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                such as?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yoshi-P fucking loved Ultima Online.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                which is long dead

                The most player interactive MMO that's still around is runescape which has had like 90% of necessary player interaction removed over the years

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Sounds like a player problem, not a game design problem.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                that's fine, they don't have to last forever
                I like chrono trigger, i don't want to play it for 1000 hours

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                this but unironically
                what's the point of playing an mmo if you're not doing it with people?
                it's certainly not for the shit gameplay

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Leveling in XIV takes like 200 hours.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        it takes a while but once you're a high enough level for dungeon spam you're never gonna go do quests or anything for xp because dungeon spam is way faster
        and the quests suck anyway, don't most people not even touch the quests?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Leveling your first job takes that long via MSQ
          Subsequent jobs don't take as long, they take maybe 10 hours each. That's still more than enough.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          side quests are not there for leveling

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Then why have them in the game?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              world building and extra gear

  79. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The faster and more action based combat gets in MMO, the worse they will become. You need to be able to think and react to your allies and the enemy attacks. You also need to have the variety of skills available to make your choice of actions matter. Games where only DPS matters, are never going to be good.

  80. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This is the worst content the game has ever gotten

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      who wanted a farmville minigame anyway?
      i definitely saw people being "excited" about it

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the cheerleaders had to put on a performance

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Gamer girls and gamer "girls". More importantly, the lost actions used in the variant/criterion dungeons are a fucking disappointment. You can't do anything cool with them like you could in Bozja. What a waste of a great system.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The gamer girls I know are already neglecting it

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I wanted it because the WoW farm in Pandaria was great.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      who wanted a farmville minigame anyway?
      i definitely saw people being "excited" about it

      Nobody's forcing you to do anything with it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >xivtrannies once again defending trash content

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >my personal opinions are facts, worship them or i will scream and stomp my feet!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      At least it has its own inventory.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I like it, but there's not much of it. even playing it casually you're done in like 2 weeks, and you can even poopsock it in less

  81. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There is a distinct lack of ugly bastard images in this thread.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm genuinely surprised at how little Vauthry is used in porn. I thought the type of person who'd commission art of their WoL's getting fucked by morbols would be all over it.

  82. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know how people play on kb+m. Controller is so much more comfortable.

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