They should try this one again. Build the cheapest x86 box possible that runs games fine in 1080p, bundle it up with a steam controller that uses Deck layout, sell it for lowest price possible and aim for around $300-$400, I imagine it would have a good shot at being properly popular. Two problems they had back in days were releasing it for >=$800, and releasing it before Proton became what it is nowadays. Back in steam machine days, proton was still trash, now it's nearly transparent for average joe both in terms of performance and compatibility
I'd probably buy a box, both for casual vidya sessions and for media player. Deck can also handle HDR at this point, so it has no downsides compared to ordinary PC when connected to a TV.
Deck is underpowered for TV use, it's also restricted by size and wattage, and yet it can more or less do 1080p in less demanding games. I imagine it's not impossible that designing a device with no size/power/heat restrictions would probably allow them to put silly low price tag on something significantly beefier. Doesn't have to be top-tier performance, just cheap and okay enough power-wise, this is how I see it succeeding.
Anyone willing to put >$800 into PC will just build one, but display-less deck with way better performance for the same-ish price, that's something no one really offers, aside of consoles, but consoles are not PCs and can't run PC vidya.
>Anyone willing to put >$800 into PC will just build one, but display-less deck with way better performance for the same-ish price, that's something no one really offers, aside of consoles, but consoles are not PCs and can't run PC vidya.
That's the thing too, Valve would likely undercut the price of any PC you'd be able to build relative to the specs, just like they did for the Deck. Yeah if you want a full fat workhorse desktop that's not really gaming focused, build one, but if you want a gaming PC, I can easily see Valve knocking a couple hundred bucks off the price of whatever you could build one for.
>That's the thing too, Valve would likely undercut the price of any PC you'd be able to build relative to the specs, just like they did for the Deck. Yeah if you want a full fat workhorse desktop that's not really gaming focused, build one, but if you want a gaming PC, I can easily see Valve knocking a couple hundred bucks off the price of whatever you could build one for.
That is what I am hoping for. Valve is the only company that could sell the steam console at a loss because they are huge. A home console with SteamOS, over 100k PC games, emulation, free online and the option to do whatever you want would be a hit, that is, if they price it right.
Deck is underpowered for TV use, it's also restricted by size and wattage, and yet it can more or less do 1080p in less demanding games. I imagine it's not impossible that designing a device with no size/power/heat restrictions would probably allow them to put silly low price tag on something significantly beefier. Doesn't have to be top-tier performance, just cheap and okay enough power-wise, this is how I see it succeeding.
Anyone willing to put >$800 into PC will just build one, but display-less deck with way better performance for the same-ish price, that's something no one really offers, aside of consoles, but consoles are not PCs and can't run PC vidya.
>Anyone willing to put >$800 into PC will just build one, but display-less deck with way better performance for the same-ish price, that's something no one really offers, aside of consoles, but consoles are not PCs and can't run PC vidya.
That's the thing too, Valve would likely undercut the price of any PC you'd be able to build relative to the specs, just like they did for the Deck. Yeah if you want a full fat workhorse desktop that's not really gaming focused, build one, but if you want a gaming PC, I can easily see Valve knocking a couple hundred bucks off the price of whatever you could build one for.
>That's the thing too, Valve would likely undercut the price of any PC you'd be able to build relative to the specs, just like they did for the Deck. Yeah if you want a full fat workhorse desktop that's not really gaming focused, build one, but if you want a gaming PC, I can easily see Valve knocking a couple hundred bucks off the price of whatever you could build one for.
That is what I am hoping for. Valve is the only company that could sell the steam console at a loss because they are huge. A home console with SteamOS, over 100k PC games, emulation, free online and the option to do whatever you want would be a hit, that is, if they price it right.
That seems like such the obvious path to take to me, I wonder why Valve has not even hinted at being interested in moving the steamos ecosystem in that direction yet.
Perhaps the idea of a mid-range console is more niche than we're accounting for around here? I know it'd be right up my alley, but I can't say for sure if it would be that interesting to most normalgays. I picture them being more impulsive and preferring to buy like a big beefy playstation that does all the 4Ks and all the fps that marketing's told them about rather than a "lesser" console from some company most of them haven't even heard of.
>That seems like such the obvious path to take to me, I wonder why Valve has not even hinted at being interested in moving the steamos ecosystem in that direction yet.
But they are doing that, right now actually.
Are they? Last I heard about something like that was what
https://youtu.be/LinZxvQ5oko?si=WeCXtEnlez-S9fEJ
Yes. I think that the same dude leaked the Steam Deck. Exicting times for PC gaming are ahead.
posted about and I believe that was found to just be some old prototype. So unless I'm wrong or I missed some news since then, they've only shown interest in continuing the Steam Deck line so far.
>That seems like such the obvious path to take to me, I wonder why Valve has not even hinted at being interested in moving the steamos ecosystem in that direction yet.
There has been hints, along with a new VR headset. I would assume the reason they haven't done it yet is wariness because the original did so poorly and a console like that would be aimed more towards the casual crowd. A handheld is a companion device to PC with more hardcore fans can be interested in, but something like a console is more of a replacement that appeals to less tech savvy people. It would need to be as simple and easy to use as possible and the Deck is what they're using to learn from and prep themselves for these next steps.
"linux is complicated" is one of the biggest moron memes ever perpetuated, if you've ever used the cmd prompt in windows for literally anything, if you can use /ipconfig flushdns, you can figure out linux
You grossly overestimate normalgays. Most can barely operate a PC at this point in general, and many of them were born with a fricking smartphone in their hands.
I consider myself slightly technical (with respect to the general population) but at best I assume you put that in and it swaps your IP. I rarely use the command prompt and would be surprised of more than 15% of the users on this site do so regularly either. I don't necessarily think linux is this insurmountable challenge but what mostly stops me is just the sheer amount of unknowns for hopping OSs like "how technical do I actually need to be" "how the frick will I troubleshoot a system I don't know", compatibilities, there being a million custom OSs which is right for me and will it have enough users to find help for my problems, etc. At some point I'll make the hop, but I'll do it when I need a whole new computer rather than waste 4 hours being moronic and without my PC until I figure out how to get windows running again.
My moronation, hesitation and laziness are the same qualities that make everyone else intimidated at the thought of linux. It would help a lot if everyone had the opportunity to casually just "check out" linux, but bestbuy isn't packing that shit.
Flushdns just dumps the resolver cache on your system so the next time you hit up pornhub it will forward the request to your nominated dns server instead of using the last cached ip address for the URL on your computer.
To easily check out Linux you can make a "live USB" or something, which is essentially a portable system drive. It works reasonably well as a rescue tool, and with a fast drive (or nvme in enclosure) it works fairly well.
That said, [...] is completely correct. Linux is a last resort at best for anyone who uses their computer as a general computing/entertainment platform instead of A) a hobby in itself or B) a single-purpose tool you'll only need to set up once and occasionally update. You'll notice every single time someone reminds you of the statistic that "uh well actually Linux is the most popular OS in the world" they're talking exclusively of use where nobody ever actually interacts with "Linux". The "general purpose" platform as it stands - Ubuntu, Arch, Debian, whatever - is the North Korea of operating systems: impressive only to itself, an existence of abject misery. I would hazard to say that Linux users are in fact the least technically-literate PC owners based on the "roadblocks" they run into when attempting to use Windows.
Thanks for live usb tip, I'll probably give that a try some time. Damn though about the rest of it. I just want to play videogames and be free from microshaft.
To easily check out Linux you can make a "live USB" or something, which is essentially a portable system drive. It works reasonably well as a rescue tool, and with a fast drive (or nvme in enclosure) it works fairly well.
That said,
I'm a lifelong PCgay and Linux is "hot poker in eyeballs" level of torture. The level of incompetence and brokenness on display coupled with unearned smugness of its userbase makes my every attempt to use it a living hell.
EVERY successful consumer application of Linux (SteamOS, Android, OSX) completely wallpapers over the decades of miserable incompetence on the part of its developers and enthusiasts by hiding all their """work""" behind multiple layers of obfuscation.
Every complaint raised will be replied to with either, "well then you make it better" or "well then don't do that". There is never a surprise easy solution. It's always, at best, a long string of obtuse steps relying on layers upon layers of dependencies and command prompts.
If you put two buttons in front of me, one to give me a harem of e-girl frickslaves and eternal life and riches, and the other to kill every single person who's ever quoted that homosexual white Black person who publicly eats shit he finds on his feet (Richard Stallman), I'd press the second button so hard I'd break a table made of solid diamond.
All of you should have a nice day.
is completely correct. Linux is a last resort at best for anyone who uses their computer as a general computing/entertainment platform instead of A) a hobby in itself or B) a single-purpose tool you'll only need to set up once and occasionally update. You'll notice every single time someone reminds you of the statistic that "uh well actually Linux is the most popular OS in the world" they're talking exclusively of use where nobody ever actually interacts with "Linux". The "general purpose" platform as it stands - Ubuntu, Arch, Debian, whatever - is the North Korea of operating systems: impressive only to itself, an existence of abject misery. I would hazard to say that Linux users are in fact the least technically-literate PC owners based on the "roadblocks" they run into when attempting to use Windows.
You don't even need the command line for linux anymore and even when you did that was never the hardest or most frustrating part. This post just reads as so out of touch.
That's the beauty of the deck, you barely have to tinker with anything and you'll get notifications for what to expect, even just for little things like a keyboard prompt.
it's legit a mini pc, you can hook a keyboard and mouse up to it and everything. or use a PS5 or switch controller with it. incredibly based device that's starting to show it's age, a deck 2 would be awesome.
...you mean a Steam Machine?
They already tried that.
Steam Deck is the closest thing Valve ever had to not having a complete abortion of a hardware device, and it happened by realizing that "oh... Nintendo had a good idea with the Switch".
Yes because that phrase usually implies it was objectively bad, not that it wasn't popular. Those are different things. There are plenty of good products/games/etc out there that ended up being commercial failures.
2 months ago
Anonymous
It was nonsense that nobody wanted. Generally it's why the majority of people no longer trusts Valve hardware, because they (generally rightfully) assume it'll lose support really quickly.
Index is their first one that actually was something a non-negligible number of people actually wanted.
2 months ago
Anonymous
So you don't actually have a problem with the Index then, which is what I asked you about in the first place.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Are you confusing anons here?
2 months ago
Anonymous
My steam link still gets updates
2 months ago
Anonymous
So does the steam controller.
Also, I don't get the updooter mindset.
If a thing still works and does what it's supposed to, it doesn't fricking need updates. Arguably, you should never fricking "fix" something that isn't broken.
2 months ago
Anonymous
It works good enough for me. Most morons tried to use it with their dogshit at&t modem and it fly so well
nothing, was absolute top shelf VR for a long time and iirc is still a good option but expensive
steam's only real hardware failures are: >the steam machines, OS trolled by microsoft into shipping with windows instead of linux, plus steam OS was NOWHERE CLOSE to mature enough to actually bother shipping it out on anything. steam machines evolved into the steam deck >steam controller, the layout is crap and the paddles got trolled by fricking microsoft again (this time through corsair/ironburg inventions; microsoft paid for a license on a patent they know is complete bunk, valve successfully filed an appeal on the ruling for this and got their patent thrown out. this lawsuit is also the only reason any of SCUF's controllers exist btw, the steam controller forced them to act on it and release actual hardware). again succeeded by the controls on the steam deck, codenamed "neptune"
I won't argue about the layout of the controller because I never used it, but if those touch pads were anywhere near the ones on the Steam Deck then the controller ought to have been good.
their positioning was awkward and the left trackpad was intended to be used as a replacement for a d-pad on top of the actual trackpad function, the Steam Deck is an objectively better version of it in all respects. that said the trackpad idea in the first place is absolute dynamite and i love the steam deck, one of the major failings of all of the clones that have entered the market by major PC manufacturers is that they don't copy the trackpads (in large part because they can't, since they insist on using windows and are too lazy to make their own software for trackpad controlling, let alone partner with steam to get their own bespoke methods of trackpad use working through steam)
Steam Controller was trash, I picked one up for $5 when Valve abandoned it and had a fire sale to clear their remaining inventory. Everything about it was a step down from my Xbox 360 controller, the buttons were so stiff and unresponsive.
In practice, yes, but the Switch popularized the view of a console as a handheld. It happened before, yes, but normies need to have it normalized by something to accept it first.
Valve said the Switch has nothing to do with it. They wanted to take what they learned with the Steam Machines and create competition in the UMPC space, basically introducing good portability for PC because no matter who wins their hardware their, Valve will win on the software side. Deck is also to push Linux and Proton, opening up doors to other ventures, like another go at a proper Steam Machine, which failed the first time around because it relied on the developers supporting it, rather than Valve doing the heavy lifting like with the Deck.
Deck is also nowhere remotely close to an "abortion of a device". It could sell one fricking unit and it would still be by far the best handheld ever created. People who care about sales and not what they're getting out of their purchase aren't consuming the product, they're consuming the scum off a corporation's boots.
anon, I have a PC
pretending the Switch didn't influence their decision is some serious drone-mind shit
I don't blame them for the PR speak, but I'll still laugh at drones who eat it up
It's reality. I largely stopped buying games for PC because of switch, and now I've entirely stopped buying games for Switch because of Steam Deck. I'd sell my Nintendo account along with my Switch and all its games if that was possible, it's dead to me.
I don't think Valve would care to lie about that, they don't give a shit about petty consolewars or fanboyism. Why should it matter to them? It's not like UMPCs haven't been made before and if they wanted it to be like the Switch they would've made the controller detachable and come with a dock.
Not that anon but I think the point he's trying to get at is that the Switch showed that conventional game design was feasible and even desirable for handhelds, if you look at most of the GBA/DS/PSP library the majority of games on those platforms are designed with an average session time of like 20 minutes, you have Witcher 3 on the switch.
Nah, handhelds have always had lengthy rpgs or adventure games on them in pixel art form that aren't really meant to be played in bite sized chunks. I don't think that perception has anything to do with the switch itself, UMPCs have existed for more than long enough to know this already for those who've used them, and more the fact that there was a huge gap in specs from handhelds to consoles. Handhelds just were not capable of playing what was considered "bigger" games with more impressive visuals and regardless of game length or design those more impressive looking games gave people the impression that they were somehow fundamentally different in how they were meant to be played.
Valve's standard position on any given subject is aloof disinterest. If you asked them if the Steam Controller was influenced by the NES gamepad they'd say "NES? What, the Nintendo Entertainment System? None of us have heard of it. Did it play videogames?"
That's kind of my point. I don't think Valve gives a single shit what Nintendo is doing. They wanted to push Linux and portability is a ripe financial venue for PC to spur competition where no matter who wins the hardware space, Valve wins the software side, so that's what Valve went for.
2 months ago
Anonymous
And Switch normalized it, which pushed Valve to go that direction.
That's everyone else's point.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Normalized what? Handhelds have been extremely popular for decades. You can still credit popularizing handhelds to Nintendo, it'd just be with the gameboy, not the switch.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Several people have been spoonfeeding you on this for several posts already. Go back up the reply chain at this point.
It's pretty clear you just want to pretend Valve went this direction out of nowhere for some silly reason, so no point trying to convince this single anon of what everyone else already knows.
2 months ago
Anonymous
If you think I'm somehow ignoring what you've been saying than I'll do the same >It's pretty clear you just want to pretend Valve went this direction out of nowhere for some silly reason
I've explained this already.
You've given no reason for me to think Valve is lying for absolutely no reason other than to just to pettily avoid crediting Nintendo when getting PC into the handheld space to push Linux and spur competition benefits them massively. Thinking they're lying is just fanboyism to try and credit it to Nintendo. If Valve said yeah we took inspiration from the Switch absolutely nothing would change because it literally does not matter.
2 months ago
Anonymous
If you say so.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Valve says so.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, we covered your listening to corporate PR.
2 months ago
Anonymous
This argument is moronic. What difference does it make beyond fanboy gloating? Assume Valve says Nintendo inspired them to make the Deck. How does that change anything at all? Do they have to pay royalties to Nintendo now? Is that why you think they lied about it?
They are not fanboys arguing in pathetic little consolewar spats on tibetan basketweaving forums, they are a business that creates whatever products and services benefit them. If the Switch is why they made the Deck they would've just said that.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Is you say so, sure.
2 months ago
Anonymous
It's also taking everything they learned from their failure with the Steam Machine. They tried to get into the console market first, but relied on devs having to do everything to support it and Linux was nowhere near ready, so it failed miserably. They took that, decided to make Proton so games would naturally support it without having to do a thing and went for a largely untapped market for PC in the form of a handheld. The Deck is a brilliant device in execution and purpose. The Deck could've sold one unit and while it wouldn't have been a success for Valve it would still be a phenomenal system for whoever bought it, something you would never get in a million years from consoles that rely on splurging on exclusivity for limited support.
Supposedly Valve is taking what they learned from it and going to try and reapply it back to their failed home console idea, along with deckard. It'll be interesting to see what they do hardware wise over the next few years after they finally cracked the formula.
2 months ago
Anonymous
They just conveniently only had this line of thinking after the release of the switch
2 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, leave them alone. We dont' need another 20 posts from them going on about "Swtich had nothing to do with the timing, Valve doesn't pay attention to trends, they're 100% original on everything all the time"
2 months ago
Anonymous
What line of thinking? The steam machine predates the switch by several years. Valve was always trying to get into this market.
2 months ago
Anonymous
nta, likely the opening Switch created for a full handheld version of a "console" rather than one solely with handheld gaming in mind.
2 months ago
Anonymous
the switch predates the deck
2 months ago
Anonymous
The deck is a steam machine. They were working on linux and proton, the whole reason the deck is a success.
2 months ago
Anonymous
a portable one
2 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, a portable one.
2 months ago
Anonymous
now tell me was the first steam machine portable?
2 months ago
Anonymous
No. How is that relevant?
2 months ago
Anonymous
you're such a fricking moron
2 months ago
Anonymous
Don't get pissy, not my fault you can't explain yourself.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Can't explain myself? Have you tried reading the thread you moron? We're talking about how the deck copied the switch.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>We're talking about how the deck copied the switch
lmao nah, if that were true the deck would be waaaay shittier
2 months ago
Anonymous
>hey guys look at my subject opinion rather than the objective similarities between the two systems
k.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>We're talking about how the deck copied the switch.
Okay. What exactly did it copy?
Thats its unique concept not some detachable controller shit
Oh, you think HDMI is some magic unique feature and not just a basic thing any PC can do. Now I get it. Alright.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Huh didn't realize people were just playing any pc on the bus and train then going home and continuing where they left off silly me I should have paid more attention to my surroundings, and here I thought the switch changed everything!
2 months ago
Anonymous
If you're seriously trying to argue they copied portability you are legitimately stupid.
2 months ago
Anonymous
They did copy portability
2 months ago
Anonymous
2 months ago
Anonymous
Big picture mode has existed since 2012, so I don't think you realize who's copying who here
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If anyone's copying anyone at all, I don't care enough to claim Nintendo is.
2 months ago
Anonymous
you must be trolling at this point
2 months ago
Anonymous
he BTFO'd you and you have no argument
2 months ago
Anonymous
What? Nintendo really invented rectangular images of games with a slideshow UI now too? Damn Nintendo is on top of this shit. Valve just needs to keep learning from them and playing catch-up.
never said nintendo invented big picture mode schizo morons
2 months ago
Anonymous
And you choose to say that instead of clarifying what you're actually trying to claim was copied. Curious.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Because its obvious to anyone with eyes. Hence all the comparisons in the first place.
2 months ago
Anonymous
What? Nintendo really invented rectangular images of games with a slideshow UI now too? Damn Nintendo is on top of this shit. Valve just needs to keep learning from them and playing catch-up.
2 months ago
Anonymous
The switch isn't a pc
2 months ago
Anonymous
A mobile phone isn't a pc either, while we're making pointless comments.
2 months ago
Anonymous
The switch couldn't have normalised portability for pc because it's not a pc.
perception
Switch normalized standard console-type gaming on handhelds. Nobody is saying Valve is "omg copying", theyr'e just being intelligent and jumping in that market with an offering that goes beyond what the Switch allows.
But it's blatantly obvious what pushed them towards making that hardware. It's also incredibly standard for a company to PR their way around not crediting other companies as the inspiration/model.
It's not a big deal, but it's silly to take it as face value.
saving face, avoiding potential lawsuits, not trying to say something that could be misconstrued by the press, wanting to avoid direct comparisons with the best selling console of all time for your niche little product experiment?
Can we get some serious development on Steam OS for desktops yet? I think Steam OS should be a serious contender for most gamer's daily driver OS. That would be the ideal anyway. The potential is there if only Valve wants to actually put the resources into it.
It wouldn't be a console, but yeah. A beefy PC with the convenience of a console would be great. Take everything they've learned from the deck, keep improving linux and proton, and make it easy to swap out parts and you're golden. Technically anyone can just make their own already, but an official solution is part of that convenience and valve would likely sell it for cheaper than you could build one for. Would be another final nail for consoles.
This wouldn't be a console though, it doesn't have that downside of extremely specific hardware that needs to be designed for, it doesn't need to be standardized, just like a pc doesn't. Putting out a base steam machine that devs can target, but people can upgrade if they want isn't going to ruin compatibility with anything, only improve it.
>Steam deck gets competitors >the other competitors don't include the touchpads
To me the beauty of the SD is that you can easily play PC centric games on it with some controller layout tinkering
It's nice being able to setup the left touchpad to use as hotkeys and shit
They didn't learn a damn thing from the deck, it's frustrating.
This. These morons don't even get what makes the deck the best choice. By just leaving out touchpads your robbing players of 90% of all games in existence
I'm a lifelong PCgay and Linux is "hot poker in eyeballs" level of torture. The level of incompetence and brokenness on display coupled with unearned smugness of its userbase makes my every attempt to use it a living hell.
EVERY successful consumer application of Linux (SteamOS, Android, OSX) completely wallpapers over the decades of miserable incompetence on the part of its developers and enthusiasts by hiding all their """work""" behind multiple layers of obfuscation.
Every complaint raised will be replied to with either, "well then you make it better" or "well then don't do that". There is never a surprise easy solution. It's always, at best, a long string of obtuse steps relying on layers upon layers of dependencies and command prompts.
If you put two buttons in front of me, one to give me a harem of e-girl frickslaves and eternal life and riches, and the other to kill every single person who's ever quoted that homosexual white Black person who publicly eats shit he finds on his feet (Richard Stallman), I'd press the second button so hard I'd break a table made of solid diamond.
Right, but what you describe is good. Because it means you CAN do a bunch of obtuse steps to fix shit.
When windows explodes it's "lol have you run sfc /scannow" or "pls reinstall :("
>When windows explodes it's "lol have you run sfc /scannow" or "pls reinstall :("
Refer to last sentence here:
To easily check out Linux you can make a "live USB" or something, which is essentially a portable system drive. It works reasonably well as a rescue tool, and with a fast drive (or nvme in enclosure) it works fairly well.
That said, [...] is completely correct. Linux is a last resort at best for anyone who uses their computer as a general computing/entertainment platform instead of A) a hobby in itself or B) a single-purpose tool you'll only need to set up once and occasionally update. You'll notice every single time someone reminds you of the statistic that "uh well actually Linux is the most popular OS in the world" they're talking exclusively of use where nobody ever actually interacts with "Linux". The "general purpose" platform as it stands - Ubuntu, Arch, Debian, whatever - is the North Korea of operating systems: impressive only to itself, an existence of abject misery. I would hazard to say that Linux users are in fact the least technically-literate PC owners based on the "roadblocks" they run into when attempting to use Windows.
>If you put two buttons in front of me, one to give me a harem of e-girl frickslaves and eternal life and riches, and the other to kill every single person who's ever quoted that homosexual white Black person who publicly eats shit he finds on his feet (Richard Stallman), I'd press the second button so hard I'd break a table made of solid diamond.
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Depends on the specs. You could just buy one of those 'mini PC's and install SteamOS on it yourself for the same effect as a Steam console. I think keeping it as a handheld probably makes the most sense overall.
I would rather just get an official SteamOS ISO and make my own steam OS console out of a beelink mini pc or something, but valve is taking their sweet ass time with that and I'm wondering if it's because they're waiting for explicit sync to merge with Nvidia GPUs.
Speaking of companies taking their sweet ass time...
Why are you dumbass tendies even in here? You see a deck and lose your marbles. Go talk about what games you're playing this year in your switch threads or something.
>tendie
I literally own a PC anon. I don't have a Switch.
Stop being a mindless valve drone. Seeing a good opportunity because the Switch normalized something doesn't lessen the Deck being a good device.
Then why do you care to argue about it? This is something only tendies would give a shit about enough to claim valve is outright lying so they can jerk off over the significance of the switch. Corporations and devs say when others inspired or influenced them all the time and the switch didn't normalize anything. Pokemon was a lengthy game that wasn't very pickup and play for small amounts of time all the way back on the original gameboy, what is this "console-like game" nonsense.
>why talk about a topic on a board about discussing video games and related items
I'm not sure anon. Why are you arguing about how Switch normalized something making it a viable time to create and release such a device so upsetting? The end result is the same.
>Why are you arguing about how Switch normalized something making it a viable time to create and release such a device so upsetting?
Of course from a corporate standpoint the end result is the same and they couldn't care less about these arguments, which is a good reason for them not to bother lying about it, but tendies are annoying. They constantly invade these threads and stir shit up. Someone laughing at the idea that valve is telling the truth so they can attribute the deck to the switch while being snarkily dismissive and calling anyone who disagrees a valve drone is a very tendie thing to do.
2 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not a tendie, jesus. I've been using PC before Steam even existed, and remember when people used to be annoyed at Valve for forcing us to install it to play Half-Life 2.
Even this "console war" crap used to be solely for the console players. PC players just played PC games and didn't get involve. Didn't used to be like this.
The Deck being created and released because the Switch normalized something and created an opportunity is the most basic and obvious observation. That's it. It's not a big deal.
You went all nuts over it because you're focused on some "console war" crap that PC gamers shouldn't even be bothering with.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm not a tendie, jesus
Didn't say you were in that post, just saying whoever was making those posts sure sounds an awful lot like one.
It's consolewar crap because it's intentionally framed like consolewar crap, hence the whole laughing and saying they're lying about it and calling people valve drones. >because the Switch normalized something
You keep saying this and it makes zero sense. You seem to think every game on handhelds used to be exclusively bite sized experiences designed around levels and playing for only 15-30 minutes at a time when that was never the case and consoles had plenty of games designed like that too.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Is you say so dude.
Look, you're obviously way more invested in denying what anyone else sees clear as day. I don't get it, but there really isn't any point in trying to convince a single anon about what several have already pointed out way earlier in the thread.
2 months ago
Anonymous
You can try to fall back on ad populum, but I'm not the one who initially disagreed with you, several others have disagreed with you as well and you're still invested enough to be arguing with me, so touche.
All the real gaming hardware is on nvidia so no, it in fact won't work. Deck and basement fatsos setups work because nobody but morons expect them to handle serious tasks and for small scale stuff linux may work. Larger console will only work if valve pays nvidia enough to write drivers for them which is not happening.
>Larger console will only work if valve pays nvidia
PS5 and Xbox are AMD moron. The only one who uses nvidia is the weakest of the bunch by far, Nintendo.
ROG Ally, Ayaneo, Legion Go, all use AMD. GPD 3 uses Intel.
None of these systems use nvidia and they all btfo the one that does in terms of specs and capability. Nobody goes with nvidia for these systems because they're stupid expensive for no real benefit. >pc is nvidia
PC is whatever you want.
>bad deck clones with no idea wtf are they doing
Yet they're still vastly more powerful and capable than the one system that uses nvidia.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>they are vastly more powerful than a system using a decade old hardware from a streaming device
wooooooooooow
your power really helps you when your hell-oven on wangblows rapes your entire battery in half an hour to play AAA goyslop
2 months ago
Anonymous
>vastly
2 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, vastly.
>they are vastly more powerful than a system using a decade old hardware from a streaming device
wooooooooooow
your power really helps you when your hell-oven on wangblows rapes your entire battery in half an hour to play AAA goyslop
So which is it? You want all that "real" power of nvidia or a good battery life? good luck getting both.
2 months ago
Anonymous
dlss alone will save portables and low power devices no matter how much you will cope about it
amd has nothing but dysfunctional software
2 months ago
Anonymous
DLSS is not magic, you are tech illiterate. If you want to pay a premium for this over AMD, go ahead
The answer is a clear no you stupid moron. And the biggest reason is that there are far too many PC games that just don't work with controllers or have such a fricked bind scheme. Binary Domain is probably a perfect example. Unless Valve tells these developers they HAVE TO add good controller support, a Steam console will never work. Even the Steam Deck has a bunch of "verified" games that aren't plug and play. Shits a joke and it's a shame Valve never got on their asses.
>that just don't work with controllers or have such a fricked bind scheme
Steam input fixes all that. You can bind whatever you like, add controller support to whatever you like. And if a game doesn't have a control scheme that just works out of the box that game isn't marked as verified. >Even the Steam Deck has a bunch of "verified" games that aren't plug and play
Like what? The number of times I've had any real issue with playing a game on the deck, verified or not, was exactly once, and it wasn't even the game itself, but ea's shitty app. And I've got a library of 1.5k games as the deck plows through them.
The same argument was made about the deck. If you buy a console you don't expect it to have every game available you just make sure you have whats compatible. Same shit with building your own pc and finding out its not powerful enough to play every game. The thing valve said though is that if they're successful developers will start to optimize or modify their games to work on the deck, or the machine, because they'll have more potential consumers.
>Trust us this time
After the deck? Yeah, it's practically impossible to frick up, all they'd have to do is just make it more powerful and put it in a bigger box.
Why would you think the Deck existing would make another crack at Steam Machines work?
What's the angle there to make it successful? If anything, the Deck would likely make a Steam Machine less viable.
>Why would you think the Deck existing would make another crack at Steam Machines work?
Because the deck is literally a steam machine just in a different form factor. The steam machine was not a complete failure, valve took it and learned from it. The deck serves the purpose of a handheld, a steam machine would serve the purpose of a console, those things tend to coexist side by side. A steam machine would be for someone who wants all the benefits of a pc with the power of a home console without any of the hassle, which is what the deck brought to the handheld space.
The Deck works because the Switch made the idea a normal thing in the market, and Valve took that opportunity.
There isn't a reason for a Steam Machine. That's just called a PC. The Deck existing means that if someone doesn't have a PC, they'll probably get a Deck. Or they'll have both a PC and a Deck.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>There isn't a reason for a Steam Machine. That's just called a PC
You do not own a deck if you think that. The reason consoles are popular is because they are braindead easy and convenient to use, that is what the steam machine aims to achieve for pc, it's what the deck does for handhelds after learning from its initial failure. If normalgays could just come home, sit on their couch, push the power button and either be right back where they left off in a game or press a to start a game in their massive steam library, that's what valve is gunning for. And portability and handhelds were always a normal thing in this market.
2 months ago
Anonymous
And the Steam Machine failed.
The Deck, however, succeeded. It provides something a PC doesn't. A Steam Machine has no use when a person is just going to get a PC. Most normal people only have so much money, we aren't talking about purely hobbyists.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>And the Steam Machine failed.
It has been explained over and over again in this thread why it failed and why the deck went on to succeed. It was ridiculously expensive/confusing pricing and linux was not ready for the steam machine, it relied on devs putting in all the work to support it, which of course none of them did. Valve solved that with the deck, all they'd have to do is put it back into a steam machine. Likely the only reason they haven't yet is because they want to keep improving the deck, proton, verifying games and ensure it's as braindead easy of an experience as possible for audience it's gunning for.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>And the Steam Machine failed >steam machines which valve didn't even produce themselves
Kek.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>The Deck works because the Switch made the idea a normal thing in the market, and Valve took that opportunity.
The Deck works because it solved UMPCs and is a fricking amazing handheld. It doesn't take the one unique aspect of the Switch, the detachable controllers. If you want a UMPC that was clearly Switch inspired, it's the Legion Go.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, you can't possibly think the reason people got Switches was because of detachable controllers. Come the frick on.
2 months ago
Anonymous
So they got it because of something other systems have done since the 90s? What exactly are you trying to say?
2 months ago
Anonymous
...so you ARE saying people bought the Switch because it "has detachable controllers".
...
okay
2 months ago
Anonymous
No, I'm trying to say a portable is not exactly a unique concept brought into being by the Switch. I have no clue what you're trying to argue here.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Of course you don't.
Have a good day anon.
2 months ago
Anonymous
The switch is a portable console
2 months ago
Anonymous
And?
2 months ago
Anonymous
Thats its unique concept not some detachable controller shit
moron, Valve didn't even make the first geenration of Steam machines. They were mostly built by 3rd party. They were overpriced as shit and proton wasn't at the level it is today. It makes perfect sense for Valve to do it. >free online >100k of PC games >you can pirate on it >you can emulate >Valve is the only company that can sell it at a slight loss due to how huge they are
The first steam machines weren't even completely standardized, didn't have complete support in the store, little marketing, and worst of all the compatibility was complete dogshit. Now they also have the consumer side happy with their track record. People like to bet on a winner.
>People like to bet on a winner.
valve doesn't have that track record with hardware just yet. the deck is honestly their first success that has any kind of staying power.
keep in mind i'm not saying it's can't be successful. just that this would not count as "betting on a winner"
I doubt it, unless it's significantly cheaper than what I can build myself. And if it's that cheap, what's stopping companies from buying hundreds of these as work computers.
I don't see a world where a "Steam Box" succeeds to be honest. It would be smarter if the Steam Deck 2 supported external GPUs, and the official dock had a slot for some sort of attachable "GPU module". Imagine something like pic related, but bigger and with a fan.
Probably for the same reason they don't buy a deck for that purpose despite most companies not needing a powerful system. Companies are fine getting cheap computers without any fancy graphics processing, it'd be a waste for them to buy a steam machine and then go through the hassle of installing windows on it.
The Deck is very, very, very slow compared to desktop computers of the same price. You're paying a massive premium for its portability.
By the way, I mentioned two scenarios:
1 - The "Steam Box" is not cheaper than what people can build themselves by buying individual components. In this case, who is buying this thing?
or
2 - It IS cheaper than building your own PC, because Valve sells these below cost: like a console, but unlike a console it's not locked down. In this case they could become attractive for companies, like the PS3 back in the day https://phys.org/news/2010-12-air-playstation-3s-supercomputer.html . Sony removed the option to install Linux on the PS3 because of this.
Also I didn't mean companies would buy these for office work, but for compute. Like AI stuff, or video editing.
Are you a person who has prof. knowledge about such hardware / tech stuff?
Uh?
>buying hundreds of these as work computers.
it won't be as cheap as some absolute trash tier pc bought in bulk or those small hp/dell shitboxes
See reply above: >I didn't mean companies would buy these for office work, but for compute. Like AI stuff, or video editing.
No, I'm just a tech enthusiast.
I was thinking of something like this, an external GPU the average user can easily install: all they have to do is push it in, like a SNES cartridge. Since the port is just USB4, other companies can also launch their own "Steam Deck 2 compatible" eGPUs. If you already own an external graphics card enclosure like this one https://www.razer.com/gaming-egpus/razer-core-x (well, this one specifically is Thunderbolt and not USB, but you get the idea), it's also supported.
Deck (especially LCD) is NOT "very very very slow" compared to a desktop of the same price unless you buy used. And that's even without subtracting $100 for a terrible monitor and gamepad to have pseudo-parity with what's built-in.
I don't understand you tards, every conversation is a mix of "it's overpriced goynix dogshit" and "they're selling it at a loss so it didn't count." How can it be sold at a loss if it's a also a ripoff?
You cannot build a PC for $400 using new components that can play all but the newest AAAslop at good framerates. And if you want to factor in used components, then you can also buy used a Deck for $250-300.
You can easily build a desktop PC that shits on the Steam Deck for $600. And I mean like four times faster, buying new components. A RX 6600 is $200.
Do you perhaps know why there are no true next gen graphic games? Somehow the games don't all look the same but the amazing effect of next gen is a bit missing.
2 months ago
Anonymous
NTA but it's just because graphics can already be pushed pretty fricking far in terms of quality. You're not gonna get big noticeable jumps like going from blocky 2D sprites to early 3D to actually impressive looking 3D in the span of a couple of generation anymore. It's more about polishing what we already have nowadays, it's much more incremental, and that's not as impressive looking from the consumer side of things.
2 months ago
Anonymous
It's a mix of "the GPU in the PS5 is not THAT much faster than the GPU in the PS4" and "we now aim for higher resolutions and framerates" and "10-to-15 years ago, devs became really good at 'faking' good graphics."
Also, mid-gen console upgrades made next-gen consoles comparatively less impressive: the jump from Xbox One to Series X is massive, from Xbox One X to Series X not so much.
About the first point, the GPU in the PS5 (6600XT-equivalent) is "only" 5-ish times faster than the one in the PS4 (7850-equivalent). The upgrades this generation focused mostly on CPU and storage.
People buying them as cheaper regular computers and valve not making their money back from steam is an interesting problem I hadn't thought about. Not sure how you'd prevent that without either raising the price or taking full control over distribution again, neither of which are ideal. I would assume valve would just go with the latter again and try to limit how many people could buy at once.
Deck (especially LCD) is NOT "very very very slow" compared to a desktop of the same price unless you buy used. And that's even without subtracting $100 for a terrible monitor and gamepad to have pseudo-parity with what's built-in.
I don't understand you tards, every conversation is a mix of "it's overpriced goynix dogshit" and "they're selling it at a loss so it didn't count." How can it be sold at a loss if it's a also a ripoff?
You cannot build a PC for $400 using new components that can play all but the newest AAAslop at good framerates. And if you want to factor in used components, then you can also buy used a Deck for $250-300.
I can't believe this thread is like 50 posts of some valve drone reeling at anons observing the timing of the Deck capitalizing on Switch's popularity, and claiming any observation of such are tendies.
It's fricking weird.
Sure you can, you've been salty this entire time. Can't even respond properly, have to skew the narrative and cry in some isolated post that meanie weenie Valve copied poor Nintendo and everyone needs to know and agree that it happened and how dare they if they don't.
Theyr'e talking about a non-handheld SteamOS console.
Like has already existed and failed.
They're confused because they think the only reason Switch did well was because it had "disconnectible controllers"
the biggest reason they failed was because they didn't play games, which is the whole reason valve started developing proton
but I agree, I don't really see what the appeal or market would be other than consolegays, I guess
>other than consolegays
That's exactly the market valve wants to tap into. If they can get in on consoles and capture the normalgays, consoles are fricking over, they're done. They'd be forced to make their own pc solutions that are just as convenient or drop out. They cannot compete with an open platform on anything other than the convenience of a locked down system. If pc takes that convenience away while having the shitloads of games, far better sales, control schemes, free online, emulation, basically do whatever you want if you want to, there's no reason for a console to exist.
Got a steam deck for Christmas and its a blessing for when going on vacation and if I want to get couple games in bed or the misses is using my gaming pc.
That being said its no substitute for an actual powerhouse gaming PC. That 800p small ass screen feels like i'm back in the stone age when I got my 4k/120hz 1ms OLED monitor, Steam OLED pales in comparison. And it pains my ass having to go to the lowest settings on all the modern AAA games all because Valve decided to cheap out on both the CPU and GPU.
Steam deck is a compliment to your primary gaming needs not a replacement.
wish granted, no need to thank me, just install one of the noob linux distros
microsoft is actively trying to maim windows while linux grows stronger with each proton and wine update
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_Machine_(computer)
that was before proton
Wrong
Or before Proton became significant. You know what he meant, c**t.
Before proton (had to launch the windows version of steam using wine yourself, comparability was also much worse) and not made by valve themselves
They should try this one again. Build the cheapest x86 box possible that runs games fine in 1080p, bundle it up with a steam controller that uses Deck layout, sell it for lowest price possible and aim for around $300-$400, I imagine it would have a good shot at being properly popular. Two problems they had back in days were releasing it for >=$800, and releasing it before Proton became what it is nowadays. Back in steam machine days, proton was still trash, now it's nearly transparent for average joe both in terms of performance and compatibility
I'd probably buy a box, both for casual vidya sessions and for media player. Deck can also handle HDR at this point, so it has no downsides compared to ordinary PC when connected to a TV.
Wouldn't that just be a permanently docked Deck?
Deck is underpowered for TV use, it's also restricted by size and wattage, and yet it can more or less do 1080p in less demanding games. I imagine it's not impossible that designing a device with no size/power/heat restrictions would probably allow them to put silly low price tag on something significantly beefier. Doesn't have to be top-tier performance, just cheap and okay enough power-wise, this is how I see it succeeding.
Anyone willing to put >$800 into PC will just build one, but display-less deck with way better performance for the same-ish price, that's something no one really offers, aside of consoles, but consoles are not PCs and can't run PC vidya.
>Anyone willing to put >$800 into PC will just build one, but display-less deck with way better performance for the same-ish price, that's something no one really offers, aside of consoles, but consoles are not PCs and can't run PC vidya.
That's the thing too, Valve would likely undercut the price of any PC you'd be able to build relative to the specs, just like they did for the Deck. Yeah if you want a full fat workhorse desktop that's not really gaming focused, build one, but if you want a gaming PC, I can easily see Valve knocking a couple hundred bucks off the price of whatever you could build one for.
>That's the thing too, Valve would likely undercut the price of any PC you'd be able to build relative to the specs, just like they did for the Deck. Yeah if you want a full fat workhorse desktop that's not really gaming focused, build one, but if you want a gaming PC, I can easily see Valve knocking a couple hundred bucks off the price of whatever you could build one for.
That is what I am hoping for. Valve is the only company that could sell the steam console at a loss because they are huge. A home console with SteamOS, over 100k PC games, emulation, free online and the option to do whatever you want would be a hit, that is, if they price it right.
and?
valve is not moronic and wants to cover all the markets
>portable
deck
>tv box
whatever new steam machines will be
>powerful system
actual pc
right now they are lacking the second thing and are definitely working on it
Man, cannot wait for the Valve console. I don't think that they can frick it up. Consolegays know that Valve will offer a better product and service.
Basically yea, but obviously it would be way stronger.
That seems like such the obvious path to take to me, I wonder why Valve has not even hinted at being interested in moving the steamos ecosystem in that direction yet.
Perhaps the idea of a mid-range console is more niche than we're accounting for around here? I know it'd be right up my alley, but I can't say for sure if it would be that interesting to most normalgays. I picture them being more impulsive and preferring to buy like a big beefy playstation that does all the 4Ks and all the fps that marketing's told them about rather than a "lesser" console from some company most of them haven't even heard of.
>That seems like such the obvious path to take to me, I wonder why Valve has not even hinted at being interested in moving the steamos ecosystem in that direction yet.
But they are doing that, right now actually.
Are they? Last I heard about something like that was what
posted about and I believe that was found to just be some old prototype. So unless I'm wrong or I missed some news since then, they've only shown interest in continuing the Steam Deck line so far.
>That seems like such the obvious path to take to me, I wonder why Valve has not even hinted at being interested in moving the steamos ecosystem in that direction yet.
There has been hints, along with a new VR headset. I would assume the reason they haven't done it yet is wariness because the original did so poorly and a console like that would be aimed more towards the casual crowd. A handheld is a companion device to PC with more hardcore fans can be interested in, but something like a console is more of a replacement that appeals to less tech savvy people. It would need to be as simple and easy to use as possible and the Deck is what they're using to learn from and prep themselves for these next steps.
midrange products in general are kind of dying out
everything i see these days is either high end or low end
Would a Switch console sell?
Console players are too moronic to deal with Linux even if you make guides for them.
This. They wouldn't be able to handle it. They're the macgays of gaming.
>Console players are too moronic
Nah we're just too smart to have to deal with computers. Time is money. Give me something that just werks.
And when your thing that "just werks" breaks, do you fix it or replace it?
Dunno lol
Ah yes, definitely more intelligent
True. I am.
yet apparently you're too stupid to want your entertainment to run at acceptable standards lmao
i guarantee you don't even use linux
"linux is complicated" is one of the biggest moron memes ever perpetuated, if you've ever used the cmd prompt in windows for literally anything, if you can use /ipconfig flushdns, you can figure out linux
You grossly overestimate normalgays. Most can barely operate a PC at this point in general, and many of them were born with a fricking smartphone in their hands.
I consider myself slightly technical (with respect to the general population) but at best I assume you put that in and it swaps your IP. I rarely use the command prompt and would be surprised of more than 15% of the users on this site do so regularly either. I don't necessarily think linux is this insurmountable challenge but what mostly stops me is just the sheer amount of unknowns for hopping OSs like "how technical do I actually need to be" "how the frick will I troubleshoot a system I don't know", compatibilities, there being a million custom OSs which is right for me and will it have enough users to find help for my problems, etc. At some point I'll make the hop, but I'll do it when I need a whole new computer rather than waste 4 hours being moronic and without my PC until I figure out how to get windows running again.
My moronation, hesitation and laziness are the same qualities that make everyone else intimidated at the thought of linux. It would help a lot if everyone had the opportunity to casually just "check out" linux, but bestbuy isn't packing that shit.
Flushdns just dumps the resolver cache on your system so the next time you hit up pornhub it will forward the request to your nominated dns server instead of using the last cached ip address for the URL on your computer.
thanks, you too.
Thanks for live usb tip, I'll probably give that a try some time. Damn though about the rest of it. I just want to play videogames and be free from microshaft.
To easily check out Linux you can make a "live USB" or something, which is essentially a portable system drive. It works reasonably well as a rescue tool, and with a fast drive (or nvme in enclosure) it works fairly well.
That said,
is completely correct. Linux is a last resort at best for anyone who uses their computer as a general computing/entertainment platform instead of A) a hobby in itself or B) a single-purpose tool you'll only need to set up once and occasionally update. You'll notice every single time someone reminds you of the statistic that "uh well actually Linux is the most popular OS in the world" they're talking exclusively of use where nobody ever actually interacts with "Linux". The "general purpose" platform as it stands - Ubuntu, Arch, Debian, whatever - is the North Korea of operating systems: impressive only to itself, an existence of abject misery. I would hazard to say that Linux users are in fact the least technically-literate PC owners based on the "roadblocks" they run into when attempting to use Windows.
You don't even need the command line for linux anymore and even when you did that was never the hardest or most frustrating part. This post just reads as so out of touch.
I'm on Arch right now watching YouTube with ytdlp.
SteamOS big picture mode is way more user friendly than the surface tile homosexualry currently plaguing Xbox.
This. They'll always always go on about muh plug and play. Even if muh plug and play is an inferior experience.
In most cases it's a superior experience. Especially for normies like me who have no interest in tinkering with settings.
They always say that then they're jelly when PC players mention a mod that changes an annoying feature.
Not really.
yes really
That's the beauty of the deck, you barely have to tinker with anything and you'll get notifications for what to expect, even just for little things like a keyboard prompt.
Consoles are dying. We're at a point where for the first time in about thirty years, consoles are down to two relevant competitors, not three.
>two
*one
Nintendo is the only console
Nintendo’s a handheld. Xbox is basically an app now instead of a device. PlayStation is a DVD player. There are no consoles.
its called blu ray grandpa
The deck already is basically already a console
I've been using it docked while I save up for a new PC after my laptop's HDD shit itself
the deck has a dock? I thought it was exclusively portable
it's compatible with laptop docks, valve's isn't worth it imo get one from JSAUX
it's legit a mini pc, you can hook a keyboard and mouse up to it and everything. or use a PS5 or switch controller with it. incredibly based device that's starting to show it's age, a deck 2 would be awesome.
Can confirm. Currently using my Steam Deck as my main PC while my real main PC upscales pornography at ~4 FPS for most of the past year.
Patrician SOVL
Good morning sir
thanks jeet
You mean like a Steamdeck?
...you mean a Steam Machine?
They already tried that.
Steam Deck is the closest thing Valve ever had to not having a complete abortion of a hardware device, and it happened by realizing that "oh... Nintendo had a good idea with the Switch".
What's wrong with the Index? I heard the Steam Controller is good too.
Steam controller was discontinued.
Lot of people are predicting Index is going to go the same way, but honestly too early to tell.
"An abortion of a hardware device" meant a device that didn't achieve market success then? OK then.
Your problem was the phrase? It was an abortion of a hardware device.
Yes because that phrase usually implies it was objectively bad, not that it wasn't popular. Those are different things. There are plenty of good products/games/etc out there that ended up being commercial failures.
It was nonsense that nobody wanted. Generally it's why the majority of people no longer trusts Valve hardware, because they (generally rightfully) assume it'll lose support really quickly.
Index is their first one that actually was something a non-negligible number of people actually wanted.
So you don't actually have a problem with the Index then, which is what I asked you about in the first place.
Are you confusing anons here?
My steam link still gets updates
So does the steam controller.
Also, I don't get the updooter mindset.
If a thing still works and does what it's supposed to, it doesn't fricking need updates. Arguably, you should never fricking "fix" something that isn't broken.
It works good enough for me. Most morons tried to use it with their dogshit at&t modem and it fly so well
nothing, was absolute top shelf VR for a long time and iirc is still a good option but expensive
steam's only real hardware failures are:
>the steam machines, OS trolled by microsoft into shipping with windows instead of linux, plus steam OS was NOWHERE CLOSE to mature enough to actually bother shipping it out on anything. steam machines evolved into the steam deck
>steam controller, the layout is crap and the paddles got trolled by fricking microsoft again (this time through corsair/ironburg inventions; microsoft paid for a license on a patent they know is complete bunk, valve successfully filed an appeal on the ruling for this and got their patent thrown out. this lawsuit is also the only reason any of SCUF's controllers exist btw, the steam controller forced them to act on it and release actual hardware). again succeeded by the controls on the steam deck, codenamed "neptune"
I won't argue about the layout of the controller because I never used it, but if those touch pads were anywhere near the ones on the Steam Deck then the controller ought to have been good.
their positioning was awkward and the left trackpad was intended to be used as a replacement for a d-pad on top of the actual trackpad function, the Steam Deck is an objectively better version of it in all respects. that said the trackpad idea in the first place is absolute dynamite and i love the steam deck, one of the major failings of all of the clones that have entered the market by major PC manufacturers is that they don't copy the trackpads (in large part because they can't, since they insist on using windows and are too lazy to make their own software for trackpad controlling, let alone partner with steam to get their own bespoke methods of trackpad use working through steam)
Steam Controller was trash, I picked one up for $5 when Valve abandoned it and had a fire sale to clear their remaining inventory. Everything about it was a step down from my Xbox 360 controller, the buttons were so stiff and unresponsive.
I'm trans btw, not that it should matter.
Steam Deck is closer to a fricking sony xperia or GPD win than it is to a nintendo switch
it is a laptop with a custom APU and a controller bolted on
In practice, yes, but the Switch popularized the view of a console as a handheld. It happened before, yes, but normies need to have it normalized by something to accept it first.
Valve said the Switch has nothing to do with it. They wanted to take what they learned with the Steam Machines and create competition in the UMPC space, basically introducing good portability for PC because no matter who wins their hardware their, Valve will win on the software side. Deck is also to push Linux and Proton, opening up doors to other ventures, like another go at a proper Steam Machine, which failed the first time around because it relied on the developers supporting it, rather than Valve doing the heavy lifting like with the Deck.
Deck is also nowhere remotely close to an "abortion of a device". It could sell one fricking unit and it would still be by far the best handheld ever created. People who care about sales and not what they're getting out of their purchase aren't consuming the product, they're consuming the scum off a corporation's boots.
>Valve said the Switch has nothing to do with it
>nothing to do with it
>Valve said
kek
"valve saw switch and went POGGERS" is Ganker console warrior cope and dipshit games journo theories
anon, I have a PC
pretending the Switch didn't influence their decision is some serious drone-mind shit
I don't blame them for the PR speak, but I'll still laugh at drones who eat it up
it's a fricking UMPC, claim the switch was inspired by the GPD win while you're at it
Anon, we're not talking about "in-the-know" hobbyists.
We're talking about normies at large. What do you think popularized?
GPD Win was inspired by DS if anything. Look at it dumbass.
It's reality. I largely stopped buying games for PC because of switch, and now I've entirely stopped buying games for Switch because of Steam Deck. I'd sell my Nintendo account along with my Switch and all its games if that was possible, it's dead to me.
I don't think Valve would care to lie about that, they don't give a shit about petty consolewars or fanboyism. Why should it matter to them? It's not like UMPCs haven't been made before and if they wanted it to be like the Switch they would've made the controller detachable and come with a dock.
What would be the point of lying? Handhelds have existed for 30 years and Switch isn't even the best selling one.
Not that anon but I think the point he's trying to get at is that the Switch showed that conventional game design was feasible and even desirable for handhelds, if you look at most of the GBA/DS/PSP library the majority of games on those platforms are designed with an average session time of like 20 minutes, you have Witcher 3 on the switch.
Nah, handhelds have always had lengthy rpgs or adventure games on them in pixel art form that aren't really meant to be played in bite sized chunks. I don't think that perception has anything to do with the switch itself, UMPCs have existed for more than long enough to know this already for those who've used them, and more the fact that there was a huge gap in specs from handhelds to consoles. Handhelds just were not capable of playing what was considered "bigger" games with more impressive visuals and regardless of game length or design those more impressive looking games gave people the impression that they were somehow fundamentally different in how they were meant to be played.
PSP had full fledged GTA and God of War games
Valve's standard position on any given subject is aloof disinterest. If you asked them if the Steam Controller was influenced by the NES gamepad they'd say "NES? What, the Nintendo Entertainment System? None of us have heard of it. Did it play videogames?"
That's kind of my point. I don't think Valve gives a single shit what Nintendo is doing. They wanted to push Linux and portability is a ripe financial venue for PC to spur competition where no matter who wins the hardware space, Valve wins the software side, so that's what Valve went for.
And Switch normalized it, which pushed Valve to go that direction.
That's everyone else's point.
Normalized what? Handhelds have been extremely popular for decades. You can still credit popularizing handhelds to Nintendo, it'd just be with the gameboy, not the switch.
Several people have been spoonfeeding you on this for several posts already. Go back up the reply chain at this point.
It's pretty clear you just want to pretend Valve went this direction out of nowhere for some silly reason, so no point trying to convince this single anon of what everyone else already knows.
If you think I'm somehow ignoring what you've been saying than I'll do the same
>It's pretty clear you just want to pretend Valve went this direction out of nowhere for some silly reason
I've explained this already.
You've given no reason for me to think Valve is lying for absolutely no reason other than to just to pettily avoid crediting Nintendo when getting PC into the handheld space to push Linux and spur competition benefits them massively. Thinking they're lying is just fanboyism to try and credit it to Nintendo. If Valve said yeah we took inspiration from the Switch absolutely nothing would change because it literally does not matter.
If you say so.
Valve says so.
Yes, we covered your listening to corporate PR.
This argument is moronic. What difference does it make beyond fanboy gloating? Assume Valve says Nintendo inspired them to make the Deck. How does that change anything at all? Do they have to pay royalties to Nintendo now? Is that why you think they lied about it?
They are not fanboys arguing in pathetic little consolewar spats on tibetan basketweaving forums, they are a business that creates whatever products and services benefit them. If the Switch is why they made the Deck they would've just said that.
Is you say so, sure.
It's also taking everything they learned from their failure with the Steam Machine. They tried to get into the console market first, but relied on devs having to do everything to support it and Linux was nowhere near ready, so it failed miserably. They took that, decided to make Proton so games would naturally support it without having to do a thing and went for a largely untapped market for PC in the form of a handheld. The Deck is a brilliant device in execution and purpose. The Deck could've sold one unit and while it wouldn't have been a success for Valve it would still be a phenomenal system for whoever bought it, something you would never get in a million years from consoles that rely on splurging on exclusivity for limited support.
Supposedly Valve is taking what they learned from it and going to try and reapply it back to their failed home console idea, along with deckard. It'll be interesting to see what they do hardware wise over the next few years after they finally cracked the formula.
They just conveniently only had this line of thinking after the release of the switch
Anon, leave them alone. We dont' need another 20 posts from them going on about "Swtich had nothing to do with the timing, Valve doesn't pay attention to trends, they're 100% original on everything all the time"
What line of thinking? The steam machine predates the switch by several years. Valve was always trying to get into this market.
nta, likely the opening Switch created for a full handheld version of a "console" rather than one solely with handheld gaming in mind.
the switch predates the deck
The deck is a steam machine. They were working on linux and proton, the whole reason the deck is a success.
a portable one
Yeah, a portable one.
now tell me was the first steam machine portable?
No. How is that relevant?
you're such a fricking moron
Don't get pissy, not my fault you can't explain yourself.
Can't explain myself? Have you tried reading the thread you moron? We're talking about how the deck copied the switch.
>We're talking about how the deck copied the switch
lmao nah, if that were true the deck would be waaaay shittier
>hey guys look at my subject opinion rather than the objective similarities between the two systems
k.
>We're talking about how the deck copied the switch.
Okay. What exactly did it copy?
Oh, you think HDMI is some magic unique feature and not just a basic thing any PC can do. Now I get it. Alright.
Huh didn't realize people were just playing any pc on the bus and train then going home and continuing where they left off silly me I should have paid more attention to my surroundings, and here I thought the switch changed everything!
If you're seriously trying to argue they copied portability you are legitimately stupid.
They did copy portability
Big picture mode has existed since 2012, so I don't think you realize who's copying who here
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If anyone's copying anyone at all, I don't care enough to claim Nintendo is.
you must be trolling at this point
he BTFO'd you and you have no argument
never said nintendo invented big picture mode schizo morons
And you choose to say that instead of clarifying what you're actually trying to claim was copied. Curious.
Because its obvious to anyone with eyes. Hence all the comparisons in the first place.
What? Nintendo really invented rectangular images of games with a slideshow UI now too? Damn Nintendo is on top of this shit. Valve just needs to keep learning from them and playing catch-up.
The switch isn't a pc
A mobile phone isn't a pc either, while we're making pointless comments.
The switch couldn't have normalised portability for pc because it's not a pc.
That wasn't the discussion.
perception
Switch normalized standard console-type gaming on handhelds. Nobody is saying Valve is "omg copying", theyr'e just being intelligent and jumping in that market with an offering that goes beyond what the Switch allows.
But it's blatantly obvious what pushed them towards making that hardware. It's also incredibly standard for a company to PR their way around not crediting other companies as the inspiration/model.
It's not a big deal, but it's silly to take it as face value.
saving face, avoiding potential lawsuits, not trying to say something that could be misconstrued by the press, wanting to avoid direct comparisons with the best selling console of all time for your niche little product experiment?
If the switch was such an important influence to the Deck development, why is the Deck lacking the most recognizable feature of the Switch?
why is the switch lite?
I wish the d-pad was swapped with the left joystick.
Can we get some serious development on Steam OS for desktops yet? I think Steam OS should be a serious contender for most gamer's daily driver OS. That would be the ideal anyway. The potential is there if only Valve wants to actually put the resources into it.
It wouldn't be a console, but yeah. A beefy PC with the convenience of a console would be great. Take everything they've learned from the deck, keep improving linux and proton, and make it easy to swap out parts and you're golden. Technically anyone can just make their own already, but an official solution is part of that convenience and valve would likely sell it for cheaper than you could build one for. Would be another final nail for consoles.
The one upside of consoles is that they're all standardized. So swapping parts is a no go.
This wouldn't be a console though, it doesn't have that downside of extremely specific hardware that needs to be designed for, it doesn't need to be standardized, just like a pc doesn't. Putting out a base steam machine that devs can target, but people can upgrade if they want isn't going to ruin compatibility with anything, only improve it.
>Steam deck gets competitors
>the other competitors don't include the touchpads
To me the beauty of the SD is that you can easily play PC centric games on it with some controller layout tinkering
It's nice being able to setup the left touchpad to use as hotkeys and shit
They didn't learn a damn thing from the deck, it's frustrating.
This. These morons don't even get what makes the deck the best choice. By just leaving out touchpads your robbing players of 90% of all games in existence
I'm a lifelong PCgay and Linux is "hot poker in eyeballs" level of torture. The level of incompetence and brokenness on display coupled with unearned smugness of its userbase makes my every attempt to use it a living hell.
EVERY successful consumer application of Linux (SteamOS, Android, OSX) completely wallpapers over the decades of miserable incompetence on the part of its developers and enthusiasts by hiding all their """work""" behind multiple layers of obfuscation.
Every complaint raised will be replied to with either, "well then you make it better" or "well then don't do that". There is never a surprise easy solution. It's always, at best, a long string of obtuse steps relying on layers upon layers of dependencies and command prompts.
If you put two buttons in front of me, one to give me a harem of e-girl frickslaves and eternal life and riches, and the other to kill every single person who's ever quoted that homosexual white Black person who publicly eats shit he finds on his feet (Richard Stallman), I'd press the second button so hard I'd break a table made of solid diamond.
All of you should have a nice day.
based
and i was using linux before most of those homosexuals were even born
Right, but what you describe is good. Because it means you CAN do a bunch of obtuse steps to fix shit.
When windows explodes it's "lol have you run sfc /scannow" or "pls reinstall :("
>When windows explodes it's "lol have you run sfc /scannow" or "pls reinstall :("
Refer to last sentence here:
Actually there usually is an easy solution its just that either no one knows it, or they're not terminally online playing free tech support.
>white
stallman is a israelite though
>If you put two buttons in front of me, one to give me a harem of e-girl frickslaves and eternal life and riches, and the other to kill every single person who's ever quoted that homosexual white Black person who publicly eats shit he finds on his feet (Richard Stallman), I'd press the second button so hard I'd break a table made of solid diamond.
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You mean a regular Linux PC?
Hell no it won't
>Would a Steam OS console sell?
Depends on the specs. You could just buy one of those 'mini PC's and install SteamOS on it yourself for the same effect as a Steam console. I think keeping it as a handheld probably makes the most sense overall.
If it's affordable and powerful? Yes
Ease of use is the most important factor.
I would rather just get an official SteamOS ISO and make my own steam OS console out of a beelink mini pc or something, but valve is taking their sweet ass time with that and I'm wondering if it's because they're waiting for explicit sync to merge with Nvidia GPUs.
Speaking of companies taking their sweet ass time...
valve drones gonna drone
Why are you dumbass tendies even in here? You see a deck and lose your marbles. Go talk about what games you're playing this year in your switch threads or something.
>tendie
I literally own a PC anon. I don't have a Switch.
Stop being a mindless valve drone. Seeing a good opportunity because the Switch normalized something doesn't lessen the Deck being a good device.
Then why do you care to argue about it? This is something only tendies would give a shit about enough to claim valve is outright lying so they can jerk off over the significance of the switch. Corporations and devs say when others inspired or influenced them all the time and the switch didn't normalize anything. Pokemon was a lengthy game that wasn't very pickup and play for small amounts of time all the way back on the original gameboy, what is this "console-like game" nonsense.
>why talk about a topic on a board about discussing video games and related items
I'm not sure anon. Why are you arguing about how Switch normalized something making it a viable time to create and release such a device so upsetting? The end result is the same.
It's obviously everyone just talking.
>Why are you arguing about how Switch normalized something making it a viable time to create and release such a device so upsetting?
Of course from a corporate standpoint the end result is the same and they couldn't care less about these arguments, which is a good reason for them not to bother lying about it, but tendies are annoying. They constantly invade these threads and stir shit up. Someone laughing at the idea that valve is telling the truth so they can attribute the deck to the switch while being snarkily dismissive and calling anyone who disagrees a valve drone is a very tendie thing to do.
I'm not a tendie, jesus. I've been using PC before Steam even existed, and remember when people used to be annoyed at Valve for forcing us to install it to play Half-Life 2.
Even this "console war" crap used to be solely for the console players. PC players just played PC games and didn't get involve. Didn't used to be like this.
The Deck being created and released because the Switch normalized something and created an opportunity is the most basic and obvious observation. That's it. It's not a big deal.
You went all nuts over it because you're focused on some "console war" crap that PC gamers shouldn't even be bothering with.
>I'm not a tendie, jesus
Didn't say you were in that post, just saying whoever was making those posts sure sounds an awful lot like one.
It's consolewar crap because it's intentionally framed like consolewar crap, hence the whole laughing and saying they're lying about it and calling people valve drones.
>because the Switch normalized something
You keep saying this and it makes zero sense. You seem to think every game on handhelds used to be exclusively bite sized experiences designed around levels and playing for only 15-30 minutes at a time when that was never the case and consoles had plenty of games designed like that too.
Is you say so dude.
Look, you're obviously way more invested in denying what anyone else sees clear as day. I don't get it, but there really isn't any point in trying to convince a single anon about what several have already pointed out way earlier in the thread.
You can try to fall back on ad populum, but I'm not the one who initially disagreed with you, several others have disagreed with you as well and you're still invested enough to be arguing with me, so touche.
If you say so.
At this point with everything they've gained from the deck? Yes.
No. That's just a normal PC, there's no market for that.
Aren't they currently developing just that? I am pretty sure that it was leaked?
All the real gaming hardware is on nvidia so no, it in fact won't work. Deck and basement fatsos setups work because nobody but morons expect them to handle serious tasks and for small scale stuff linux may work. Larger console will only work if valve pays nvidia enough to write drivers for them which is not happening.
>Larger console will only work if valve pays nvidia
PS5 and Xbox are AMD moron. The only one who uses nvidia is the weakest of the bunch by far, Nintendo.
>PS5 and Xbox
wow two pieces of shit with no games, great argument troony
pc and switch are both nvidia and all the games are there
ROG Ally, Ayaneo, Legion Go, all use AMD. GPD 3 uses Intel.
None of these systems use nvidia and they all btfo the one that does in terms of specs and capability. Nobody goes with nvidia for these systems because they're stupid expensive for no real benefit.
>pc is nvidia
PC is whatever you want.
>ROG Ally, Ayaneo, Legion Go
bad deck clones with no idea wtf are they doing
>PC is whatever you want
if you want it to actually work no
>bad deck clones with no idea wtf are they doing
Yet they're still vastly more powerful and capable than the one system that uses nvidia.
>they are vastly more powerful than a system using a decade old hardware from a streaming device
wooooooooooow
your power really helps you when your hell-oven on wangblows rapes your entire battery in half an hour to play AAA goyslop
>vastly
Yes, vastly.
So which is it? You want all that "real" power of nvidia or a good battery life? good luck getting both.
dlss alone will save portables and low power devices no matter how much you will cope about it
amd has nothing but dysfunctional software
DLSS is not magic, you are tech illiterate. If you want to pay a premium for this over AMD, go ahead
moron
what a moronic statement, you completely missed the point
>Would a Steam OS console sell?
Steam Deck is by far the most popular PC handheld. So, the answer is YES.
The answer is a clear no you stupid moron. And the biggest reason is that there are far too many PC games that just don't work with controllers or have such a fricked bind scheme. Binary Domain is probably a perfect example. Unless Valve tells these developers they HAVE TO add good controller support, a Steam console will never work. Even the Steam Deck has a bunch of "verified" games that aren't plug and play. Shits a joke and it's a shame Valve never got on their asses.
>that just don't work with controllers or have such a fricked bind scheme
Steam input fixes all that. You can bind whatever you like, add controller support to whatever you like. And if a game doesn't have a control scheme that just works out of the box that game isn't marked as verified.
>Even the Steam Deck has a bunch of "verified" games that aren't plug and play
Like what? The number of times I've had any real issue with playing a game on the deck, verified or not, was exactly once, and it wasn't even the game itself, but ea's shitty app. And I've got a library of 1.5k games as the deck plows through them.
The same argument was made about the deck. If you buy a console you don't expect it to have every game available you just make sure you have whats compatible. Same shit with building your own pc and finding out its not powerful enough to play every game. The thing valve said though is that if they're successful developers will start to optimize or modify their games to work on the deck, or the machine, because they'll have more potential consumers.
>eric tries to pretend switch is a handheld when it's not and never positioned as one
Pretty sure that Valve is making that next. Wasn't it leaked?
>Steam Machine 2: Trust us this time
I hope so, that would be hilarious
>Trust us this time
After the deck? Yeah, it's practically impossible to frick up, all they'd have to do is just make it more powerful and put it in a bigger box.
Why would you think the Deck existing would make another crack at Steam Machines work?
What's the angle there to make it successful? If anything, the Deck would likely make a Steam Machine less viable.
>Why would you think the Deck existing would make another crack at Steam Machines work?
Because the deck is literally a steam machine just in a different form factor. The steam machine was not a complete failure, valve took it and learned from it. The deck serves the purpose of a handheld, a steam machine would serve the purpose of a console, those things tend to coexist side by side. A steam machine would be for someone who wants all the benefits of a pc with the power of a home console without any of the hassle, which is what the deck brought to the handheld space.
The Deck works because the Switch made the idea a normal thing in the market, and Valve took that opportunity.
There isn't a reason for a Steam Machine. That's just called a PC. The Deck existing means that if someone doesn't have a PC, they'll probably get a Deck. Or they'll have both a PC and a Deck.
>There isn't a reason for a Steam Machine. That's just called a PC
You do not own a deck if you think that. The reason consoles are popular is because they are braindead easy and convenient to use, that is what the steam machine aims to achieve for pc, it's what the deck does for handhelds after learning from its initial failure. If normalgays could just come home, sit on their couch, push the power button and either be right back where they left off in a game or press a to start a game in their massive steam library, that's what valve is gunning for. And portability and handhelds were always a normal thing in this market.
And the Steam Machine failed.
The Deck, however, succeeded. It provides something a PC doesn't. A Steam Machine has no use when a person is just going to get a PC. Most normal people only have so much money, we aren't talking about purely hobbyists.
>And the Steam Machine failed.
It has been explained over and over again in this thread why it failed and why the deck went on to succeed. It was ridiculously expensive/confusing pricing and linux was not ready for the steam machine, it relied on devs putting in all the work to support it, which of course none of them did. Valve solved that with the deck, all they'd have to do is put it back into a steam machine. Likely the only reason they haven't yet is because they want to keep improving the deck, proton, verifying games and ensure it's as braindead easy of an experience as possible for audience it's gunning for.
>And the Steam Machine failed
>steam machines which valve didn't even produce themselves
Kek.
>The Deck works because the Switch made the idea a normal thing in the market, and Valve took that opportunity.
The Deck works because it solved UMPCs and is a fricking amazing handheld. It doesn't take the one unique aspect of the Switch, the detachable controllers. If you want a UMPC that was clearly Switch inspired, it's the Legion Go.
Anon, you can't possibly think the reason people got Switches was because of detachable controllers. Come the frick on.
So they got it because of something other systems have done since the 90s? What exactly are you trying to say?
...so you ARE saying people bought the Switch because it "has detachable controllers".
...
okay
No, I'm trying to say a portable is not exactly a unique concept brought into being by the Switch. I have no clue what you're trying to argue here.
Of course you don't.
Have a good day anon.
The switch is a portable console
And?
Thats its unique concept not some detachable controller shit
moron, Valve didn't even make the first geenration of Steam machines. They were mostly built by 3rd party. They were overpriced as shit and proton wasn't at the level it is today. It makes perfect sense for Valve to do it.
>free online
>100k of PC games
>you can pirate on it
>you can emulate
>Valve is the only company that can sell it at a slight loss due to how huge they are
The first steam machines weren't even completely standardized, didn't have complete support in the store, little marketing, and worst of all the compatibility was complete dogshit. Now they also have the consumer side happy with their track record. People like to bet on a winner.
>People like to bet on a winner.
valve doesn't have that track record with hardware just yet. the deck is honestly their first success that has any kind of staying power.
keep in mind i'm not saying it's can't be successful. just that this would not count as "betting on a winner"
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Yes. I think that the same dude leaked the Steam Deck. Exicting times for PC gaming are ahead.
>tyler mcBlack person
>right about literally anything ever
>Changed SteamOS from Debian based to arch based
>Have an immutable file system
Isn't that like half the fun with using arch?
t. I use arch btw.
maybe they just don't want to deal with debian and their love of stale years old packages
>moron is arguing that the only reason that switch is selling is because of joycons
Kek.
>YOOOOOO is that a controller that comes off the console???? holy shit Imma buy 140 million
>Selling essentially a desktop PC through a store that only people who own a PC use
No.
They would have to actually find proper distributors and retailers for this one, yeah. Part of the reason why they haven't gone for it yet.
deck is sold in literal stores in japan so nothing stops them from selling not on steam
I doubt it, unless it's significantly cheaper than what I can build myself. And if it's that cheap, what's stopping companies from buying hundreds of these as work computers.
I don't see a world where a "Steam Box" succeeds to be honest. It would be smarter if the Steam Deck 2 supported external GPUs, and the official dock had a slot for some sort of attachable "GPU module". Imagine something like pic related, but bigger and with a fan.
Probably for the same reason they don't buy a deck for that purpose despite most companies not needing a powerful system. Companies are fine getting cheap computers without any fancy graphics processing, it'd be a waste for them to buy a steam machine and then go through the hassle of installing windows on it.
The Deck is very, very, very slow compared to desktop computers of the same price. You're paying a massive premium for its portability.
By the way, I mentioned two scenarios:
1 - The "Steam Box" is not cheaper than what people can build themselves by buying individual components. In this case, who is buying this thing?
or
2 - It IS cheaper than building your own PC, because Valve sells these below cost: like a console, but unlike a console it's not locked down. In this case they could become attractive for companies, like the PS3 back in the day https://phys.org/news/2010-12-air-playstation-3s-supercomputer.html . Sony removed the option to install Linux on the PS3 because of this.
Also I didn't mean companies would buy these for office work, but for compute. Like AI stuff, or video editing.
Uh?
See reply above:
>I didn't mean companies would buy these for office work, but for compute. Like AI stuff, or video editing.
I noticed that your comment makes me think that you are a prof dev or IT guy
No, I'm just a tech enthusiast.
I was thinking of something like this, an external GPU the average user can easily install: all they have to do is push it in, like a SNES cartridge. Since the port is just USB4, other companies can also launch their own "Steam Deck 2 compatible" eGPUs. If you already own an external graphics card enclosure like this one https://www.razer.com/gaming-egpus/razer-core-x (well, this one specifically is Thunderbolt and not USB, but you get the idea), it's also supported.
You can easily build a desktop PC that shits on the Steam Deck for $600. And I mean like four times faster, buying new components. A RX 6600 is $200.
Do you perhaps know why there are no true next gen graphic games? Somehow the games don't all look the same but the amazing effect of next gen is a bit missing.
NTA but it's just because graphics can already be pushed pretty fricking far in terms of quality. You're not gonna get big noticeable jumps like going from blocky 2D sprites to early 3D to actually impressive looking 3D in the span of a couple of generation anymore. It's more about polishing what we already have nowadays, it's much more incremental, and that's not as impressive looking from the consumer side of things.
It's a mix of "the GPU in the PS5 is not THAT much faster than the GPU in the PS4" and "we now aim for higher resolutions and framerates" and "10-to-15 years ago, devs became really good at 'faking' good graphics."
Also, mid-gen console upgrades made next-gen consoles comparatively less impressive: the jump from Xbox One to Series X is massive, from Xbox One X to Series X not so much.
About the first point, the GPU in the PS5 (6600XT-equivalent) is "only" 5-ish times faster than the one in the PS4 (7850-equivalent). The upgrades this generation focused mostly on CPU and storage.
People buying them as cheaper regular computers and valve not making their money back from steam is an interesting problem I hadn't thought about. Not sure how you'd prevent that without either raising the price or taking full control over distribution again, neither of which are ideal. I would assume valve would just go with the latter again and try to limit how many people could buy at once.
Deck (especially LCD) is NOT "very very very slow" compared to a desktop of the same price unless you buy used. And that's even without subtracting $100 for a terrible monitor and gamepad to have pseudo-parity with what's built-in.
I don't understand you tards, every conversation is a mix of "it's overpriced goynix dogshit" and "they're selling it at a loss so it didn't count." How can it be sold at a loss if it's a also a ripoff?
You cannot build a PC for $400 using new components that can play all but the newest AAAslop at good framerates. And if you want to factor in used components, then you can also buy used a Deck for $250-300.
And is my assumption true of you or you just a normal guy?
Are you a person who has prof. knowledge about such hardware / tech stuff?
>buying hundreds of these as work computers.
it won't be as cheap as some absolute trash tier pc bought in bulk or those small hp/dell shitboxes
I can't believe this thread is like 50 posts of some valve drone reeling at anons observing the timing of the Deck capitalizing on Switch's popularity, and claiming any observation of such are tendies.
It's fricking weird.
Sure you can, you've been salty this entire time. Can't even respond properly, have to skew the narrative and cry in some isolated post that meanie weenie Valve copied poor Nintendo and everyone needs to know and agree that it happened and how dare they if they don't.
Well, the Deck exists and is selling.
Theyr'e talking about a non-handheld SteamOS console.
Like has already existed and failed.
They're confused because they think the only reason Switch did well was because it had "disconnectible controllers"
the biggest reason they failed was because they didn't play games, which is the whole reason valve started developing proton
but I agree, I don't really see what the appeal or market would be other than consolegays, I guess
That probably wouldn't sell unless it's VERY cheap.
moron
>other than consolegays
That's exactly the market valve wants to tap into. If they can get in on consoles and capture the normalgays, consoles are fricking over, they're done. They'd be forced to make their own pc solutions that are just as convenient or drop out. They cannot compete with an open platform on anything other than the convenience of a locked down system. If pc takes that convenience away while having the shitloads of games, far better sales, control schemes, free online, emulation, basically do whatever you want if you want to, there's no reason for a console to exist.
Got a steam deck for Christmas and its a blessing for when going on vacation and if I want to get couple games in bed or the misses is using my gaming pc.
That being said its no substitute for an actual powerhouse gaming PC. That 800p small ass screen feels like i'm back in the stone age when I got my 4k/120hz 1ms OLED monitor, Steam OLED pales in comparison. And it pains my ass having to go to the lowest settings on all the modern AAA games all because Valve decided to cheap out on both the CPU and GPU.
Steam deck is a compliment to your primary gaming needs not a replacement.
yes. nerds who say "lol it's just a pc" don't get it
steam dick cannot be used as a pc
it's a console
Can't they make it an official OS for gaming?
I'm tired of Windows and Linux is too complicated.
wish granted, no need to thank me, just install one of the noob linux distros
microsoft is actively trying to maim windows while linux grows stronger with each proton and wine update
Console gays are too moronic to get good deals on games that you can play on any PC or deck